Debates of Jan. 22nd, 1998

This is page numbers 251 - 278 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was community .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Item 2: Budget Address

Congratulations To High School Graduates

Pelly Bay Sealift Subsidies

Deh Cho Leaders Meeting

Inuvik's Cost Of Living

Improving Fiscal Outlook

Yellowknife Airport Stop Signs

Public Service Uncertainties

Recognition Of Public Servants

Homeless People

Diand Diamond Responsibilities

Lupin Mine Closure

Item 6: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Pelly Bay Resupply Concerns

Post-budget Meetings

Assistance To Former Grollier Hall Students

Keewatin Regional Health Board Appointment

Mackenzie Delta Health Concerns

Airport Road Stop Signs

Nursing Requirements In Clyde River

Process Following Health Board Reviews

Attendance At Post-budget Address Meeting

Minister's Attendance At Reception

Departmental Intervention Policy

Potential Impact Of A Pay Equity Resolution

Public/private Partnership Initiative

Diamond Task Force Update

Transparency In Public/private Partnerships

Lottery Licencing Policy

Temporary Shelter Provision

Post-division Lease Responsibilities

Plans For Sheltering The Homeless

Funding For Public/private Partnerships

Tabled Document 15-13(5): Northwest Territories Budget Address, 1998-99

Tabled Document 16-13(5): Communique From Nunavut Leaders Summit, Iqaluit, January 12 To 14, 1998

Referral Of Tabled Document 15-13(5) Budget Speech To Committee Of The Whole

Item 19: First Reading Of Bills

Bill 8-13(5): Appropriation Act, 1998-99

Bill 8: Appropriation Act, 1998-99

Item 21: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 22: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 24: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Honourable Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable Manitok Thompson , Honourable John Todd .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Good afternoon. Orders of the day. Item 2, budget address. Mr. Todd .

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Item 2: Budget Address

Item 2: Budget Address

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Mr. Speaker, it is with a certain sense of nostalgia that I rise before the House to present the last budget of the 13th Legislative Assembly of the Northwest Territories. With the tabling of this document, we will be putting the finishing touches on the fiscal history of the Government of the Northwest Territories.

At the same time, however, this budget looks ahead, not just for the next fiscal year, but the next century. The new policies and programs I am announcing today will help establish two strong and stable governments in Canada's north as we move into the new millennium. As we stand on the threshold of a new era, each and every Member of this Legislature can look back with pride on our collective accomplishments. Together, we made the difficult but necessary choices that have enabled us to regain control of our governments finances. We must now forge a future filled with promise for our children.

Mr. Speaker, I want to assure the Members of this Assembly and the people of the Northwest Territories that the future has never looked better than it does today. There is every reason to believe that the north will achieve its tremendous potential in the 21st century. For the first time in generations, events are taking shape that will allow northerners to assume their rightful place in Confederation.

First, there are the gains we have made since this government came to power that have created a climate of opportunity and optimism in the north. Not only have we balanced our budget, but we anticipate a small surplus proving we are capable of prudently managing our fiscal affairs. This kind of achievement instills investors with confidence that the north is a good place to do business.

As well, our business investment strategy has sent a clear signal to investors that they are welcome in the north. We are reviewing a number of initiatives to foster trade and investment that will bring new money and jobs into our region.

The settlement of land claims and most important, the creation of Nunavut and the new Western Territory, will create both certainty and opportunity. Collectively, these efforts spell better days ahead for the young people of the north.

Fiscal Overview

Mr. Speaker, the 1998-99 budget is designed to build on this progress. It is both responsible and compassionate, striking the right balance between responding to needs and seizing opportunities.

The Government of the Northwest Territories has worked hard to balance its books and achieve a stable financial base from which it can pro-actively deal with the needs of Northwest Territories residents. On a non-consolidated basis, the government finished the 1996-97 fiscal year with a $12 million deficit which kept the accumulated deficit to $41 million. To put this in perspective, $41 million represents approximately three percent of our annual spending, or about two weeks of operating costs.

In 1997-98, the government anticipates a small surplus and a reduction in the accumulated deficit. For fiscal year 1998-99, we will bring in our second consecutive balanced budget, with spending estimated at $1.161 billion and revenues forecast at $1.163 billion.

It is important to emphasize, however, that our net fiscal position could be impacted by the results of the current negotiations with the Union of Northern Workers regarding pay equity. As I have stated on a number of occasions, while the government would prefer a negotiated settlement to this issue, the outcome of the negotiations must be affordable to the people of the Northwest Territories. We cannot agree to a settlement that forces further job loss or program and service reduction to our people.

Mr. Speaker, this budget represents the prudent management of the financial resources of the Government of the Northwest Territories. It reflects the collective will of the Members of this Legislative Assembly to ensure that we live within our financial means. Most importantly, it enables us to put the two new territories on stable footing in their first few years of existence.

Division

We are at a pivotal stage in the north's development. A little over a year from now, the east and west will go their separate ways. While we will remain tied by our history, our heritage and our geography, each new territory will follow an independent path.

In the short term, however, it will be critical that we work in close cooperation. In bringing the promise of two new territories to realization, we must ensure that:

- services to our residents are not reduced or interrupted;

- assets and liabilities are fairly divided;

- commitments and contracts are honoured;

- staff are treated fairly; and

- the business of government continues without disruption.

We have achieved a great deal in this regard.

Of particular importance is the assurance of adequate funding for the two new territories. Our government has made it clear to the Special Committee on Financial Arrangements for Nunavut and the Western Territory that we believe the expenditure base of each territory should be determined separately, based on each region's requirements. These negotiations are not merely an exercise in dividing the funding currently provided to the Government of the Northwest Territories.

This government has completed extensive work as part of the discussions on financing arrangements after 1999. The special committee now has most of the information it requires to establish funding levels and financing mechanisms for Nunavut and the Western Territory. We expect to finalize the work of the special committee by early March to enable a federal decision to be made by April. It is crucial that funding levels be determined early so that work can begin on the preparation of budgets for the two new territories for fiscal year 1999-2000.

I am confident, Mr. Speaker, based on the discussions to date with the other northern parties and the federal government, including my conversations with the federal Finance Minister , the Honourable Paul Martin, that adequate funding will be available for the two new governments in Nunavut and the Western Territory. Overall, the creation of two new territories should have a very positive economic impact on the north.

Significant progress has also been made on the equitable division of assets and liabilities between the two new territories. A framework agreement laying out the principles to be applied and the methods to be used in this process has reached the final draft stage. We expect it will be finalized in early February and submitted for approval to the Interim Commissioner for Nunavut and the Government of the Northwest Territories. Discussions are also progressing on the treatment of the Northwest Territories Power Corporation and the Workers' Compensation Board post-April 1, 1999.

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to advise that we are close to concluding several important protocol agreements with the Interim Commissioner. One agreement establishes how existing and new contract commitments made prior to April 1, 1999, will be reviewed by the Interim Commissioner and assigned to the new Nunavut government. This protocol is important to give businesses and financiers comfort that multi-year commitments can continue to be made and honoured. My honourable colleagues can appreciate that this agreement is of critical importance.

It will ensure that there is no interruption in services to Nunavut residents given that many services are currently being delivered through contractual arrangements with third parties.

The second protocol agreement nearing completion concerns the transfer of existing staff to the new Nunavut government. As the House will be aware, the Deputy Premier, the Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , was able to reach general agreement with the other parties at the recent Nunavut Leaders Meeting that this transfer will be as seamless as possible.

Our staff represent our most valuable resource. It is only with their continuing commitment that we will be able to ensure that the creation of two new territories is a success. Both the Western Territory and Nunavut will be exciting and challenging places to work, offering many opportunities for career and personal development. Our staff and new leaders need to understand this and focus on forging new relationships based on mutual trust and respect.

Mr. Speaker, I am also pleased to confirm that we have reached agreement with the Interim Commissioner to implement a $4.24 million human resource computer system. The Office of the Interim Commissioner has agreed to pay 50 percent of the total implementation cost as well as its 40 percent proportion of the software licence fees. This leading edge, integrated system will reduce unnecessary duplication and overlap, both during transition and post-division, and will benefit both new territories.

In

summary, I am convinced that we are on the road to ensuring that the creation of two new territories is a success and that we meet Premier Morin's objective of ensuring that April 1, 1999 is a day of celebration for both new territories.

Economic Climate

Mr. Speaker, economic growth is critical to the long-term fiscal health of both new governments. A stronger economy will provide new sources of revenue to support much-needed housing, food allowances, health care and other social programs for our rapidly-growing population. Just as important, a growing economy will provide jobs for our young people and unemployed.

The small business sector is increasingly playing a larger role in the national economy. Long-term growth in the north will also depend on incentives and investments to encourage the start-up or expansion of small and medium-sized northern businesses.

Investment in northern business is key to the long-term growth of our economy. Traditionally, small firms have had difficulty in accessing equity capital. This was examined in 1996 by the Investment Sub-Committee of the Standing Committee on Government Operations, which recommended that the government consider investment tax credits as a means of encouraging investment in the north.

I am pleased to announce, Mr. Speaker, that this government intends to introduce the Northwest Territories Investment Tax Credit Program, which will encourage the private sector to market shares of Northwest Territories businesses to northern taxpayers and encourage northern investors to purchase shares in up-and-coming northern businesses. Under the program, investors will be able to choose from a menu of investment vehicles: labour-sponsored venture capital funds; employee/labour-sponsored venture capital funds; community endorsed venture capital funds; and private new common share sales.

Eligible investors will receive a credit against Northwest Territories income tax payable of up to 30 percent, for a maximum of $100,000 of eligible shares in any tax year. As well, northern investors may be eligible for Registered Retirement Savings Plan (RRSP) tax deductions. For example, an investment of $10,000 would result in a Northwest Territories tax credit of $3,000. In addition, if the investment is made through an RRSP, a further deduction worth up to $4,400 would be available. RRSP eligibility is, of course, dependent on the taxpayer's available federal RRSP room.

All funds raised will be used to assist in financing the start-up or expansion of Northwest Territories businesses. This program will allow for a maximum of $1 million in tax credits to be granted in 1998, rising to $5 million in the year 2000. If fully taken up, $5 million in tax credits would generate approximately $35 million in equity and debt financing in Northwest Territories businesses.

Mr. Speaker, in addition to the new Northwest Territories Investment Tax Credit Program, business development and job creation will be further supported by a $16 million infusion through the second year of the Northern Employment Strategy.

Through the combined initiative of the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , the Honourable Stephen Kakfwi ; the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , the Honourable Charles Dent and the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , the Honourable Manitok Thompson , funding for this program has been strategically placed to ensure a broad but balanced approach between short-term job creation and longer-term sustainable economic growth.

Since this program was initiated in June of last year, we have seen a number of measurable results:

- The Department of Education, Culture and Employment has provided support to the private sector and municipal employers to hire 863 unemployed students and youth.

- In the year-to-date, the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development has directly invested $9.5 million in economic development partnerships that resulted in cost-shared projects with a total value of $34 million. These projects stimulated 48,000 part and full-time work weeks of employment or the equivalent of 1,200 full-time jobs.

- The Department Municipal and Community Affairs has invested over $3 million in initiatives designed to prepare communities to take responsibility for their own governance and for the transfer of programs from the Government of the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, detailed reports showing the impacts of investment by program are currently being developed and will be provided to Members of this House for review. However, the results to date give a positive indication that we are meeting our intended goal of developing the economy and providing positive alternatives to income support through the creation of jobs and economic opportunity.

Resource Development

While we are committed to encouraging the small business sector, no sector of the economy holds more promise than the mining industry. Diamonds have, quite literally, become the jewel in the north's crown. For all our vast wealth in renewable and nonrenewable resources, nothing rivals the enormous job-creation and economic-growth potential of diamond development.

Mr. Speaker, this government is committed to ensuring that the north receives a fairer share of royalties generated by resource development. As things now stand, the federal government may earn up to $4.4 billion in royalties and tax revenues over the 25-year life of the first diamond mine while the territorial government will collect approximately $400 million. This ratio is clearly unacceptable.

At the same time, Mr. Speaker, we are committed to ensuring that northerners realize the benefits of secondary and value-added industries resulting from the mining of diamonds. Key issues related to the development of these industries include ensuring firstly, that a diamond sorting and valuation facility is established in a Northwest Territories community away from the mine site and, secondly, that northerners have preferred access to a secure and affordable supply of diamond rough.

Mr. Speaker, also key to a greater share of resource revenues is the devolution of mineral, oil and gas responsibilities and royalties from Canada to the territorial government, a goal we are determined to realize over the long term. As well, we are dedicated to achieving the decentralization of the Northern Affairs program of the Department of Indian and Northern Affairs. Our government will continue to seek the transfer of federal employees from Ottawa to the Northwest Territories to ensure federal programs better reflect, and respond to, northerners' needs.

This initiative is being led by Premier Morin, who has met on several occasions with the federal Minister of Indian and Northern Affairs to press this issue.

Mr. Speaker, it is also important to note the impact on these events on government revenues. Although we expect government's tax revenues to be negatively affected in 1998-99, our current Formula Financing Agreement with Canada ensures that approximately 80 percent of these revenue declines will be off-set by increased funding through the grant from Canada. The fiscal stability that this provides will help us weather the current downturn in world gold prices.

Public Infrastructure

Mr. Speaker, every bit as important as the economy, is our investment in the north's social and political future. We know now that we must address the root cause of economic and social conditions if we are to improve life for our residents. As my grandmother always used to say, penny wise, pound foolish. If we are to successfully address many of the current economic and social conditions that prevent improvements in health, community well-being, educational attainment and economic self-sufficiency, we must invest in areas such housing, hospitals, health centres and new roads.

Our attention to balancing our budget during the past two years has now enabled us to deal with the larger social and economic challenges facing the Northwest Territories. Although we must remain vigilant to avoid spending beyond our means, we now have some limited fiscal flexibility. By using our limited dollars to lever investments by others, we can achieve significant results.

Mr. Speaker, there are few areas where the need for strategic investments is more acute than in the area of public infrastructure. Federal funding cuts have forced us to reduce spending on infrastructure, from $200 million annually to the current level of $140 million. An additional $40 million has been lost through the reduction in federal social housing funding from the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation.

In response to this situation, the government recently commissioned a report to examine ways that funding could be levered to increase the amount invested in public infrastructure. Specifically, the report considered the potential for Public/Private Partnerships (P3) to be applied in the Northwest Territories. These partnerships have been widely used by over 100 countries to capture the best of both public and private sector capabilities.

Mr. Speaker, Public/Private Partnerships and other innovative financing approaches are not magic. They are simply a better way to finance investments critical to the enhancement of public infrastructure. We intend to learn from the lessons learned in other jurisdictions and ensure that these types of partnerships proceed in an affordable and transparent manner.

I am pleased to announce that this government intends to increase its current $140 million annual investment in vital public infrastructure by up to $100 million in each of the next two years. These additional projects are currently being identified and will be brought forward to the Legislative Assembly for consideration in March. By applying P3 approaches to public infrastructure investment, this additional investment should be possible without increasing our overall annual spending levels. Mr.

Speaker, this increased investment will not only help address many of our critical social needs and lay the foundation for future economic growth but will provide badly needed construction jobs in our communities over the next two years.

One specific area of infrastructure development of great importance to the people of the Northwest Territories is our health care facilities. 1998-99 will be an intensive planning year for both the Department of Health and Social Services and the regional boards as they prepare to replace and enhance territorial hospitals in several communities.

Mr. Speaker, not only will we invest in infrastructure, we are committed to investing in northern people. We are determined that each and every citizen north of 60 will have the same standard of living and quality of life enjoyed by other Canadians.

At the top of the priority list is adequate housing. Research shows that overcrowded, overly expensive housing is a root cause of many of the Northwest Territories health, social and educational problems. These problems have been compounded by the withdrawal of federal funding for new social housing.

It is with great pride that I announce this government's Accelerated Home Ownership Program Delivery which will help address the north's current housing shortfall. As part of its increased infrastructure investment, the Government of the Northwest Territories is proposing to apply an additional $40 million to $50 million over the next two years to meet the immediate demands for home ownership assistance. This will allow the Minister responsible for the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation , the Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , to accelerate home ownership program delivery to help more northerners, particularly in smaller communities with a heavier reliance on public housing.

We are optimistic that this new program will result in upwards of 1,000 new housing units being constructed across the Northwest Territories over the next two years. In this way, existing social housing units will be freed up for those families with the lowest incomes while more people who qualify under the corporation's Expanded Down Payment Assistance Program and Independent Housing Programs will be able to know the satisfaction of home ownership.

The benefits do not end there. New housing means new jobs in construction and manufacturing, and all the spin-off benefits those sectors create. It also means that any government housing made surplus through new home ownership can be turned over to the Housing Corporation for public housing making more housing available to those facing the greatest hardship.

In Nunavut, we will be seeking the endorsement of the Interim Commissioner for these infrastructure initiatives.

Social Program Spending

Mr. Speaker, perhaps the most crucial area for investment is our children, the north's future. Each of us is only too aware of the damaging, long-term effects of child poverty.

I am particularly pleased to announce, in cooperation with the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , a new Northwest Territories Child Benefit that will put more money into the hands of low income families across the Northwest Territories. As part of the National Child Benefit Program, announced by the federal government last year, the Government of the Northwest Territories has agreed to reinvest income support payments offset by the federal portion of the program and to supplement this with $2 million in additional funding.

Starting in July of this year, the Northwest Territories Child Benefit Program will provide a minimum of $330 per child to all families with net incomes less than $20,921. Families with at least $10,000 in earned income will receive $605 per year for the first child, $405 for the second child, and $330 for each subsequent child. The benefit will be phased out as income increases, but all families with less than $42,000 in net income will receive some benefit. In our estimate, almost 60 percent of the children in the Northwest Territories will benefit from this program.

A related, and equally important, initiative is the enhancement of Income Support Food Allowance. Nutritional food is critical to disease prevention, healthy development and children's school performance. The food allowance rates have not changed since 1992, despite changes to the road or food supply services in many communities over the years. This government will make $1 million available to adjust the rates paid for food within the Income Support Program and to ensure that communities are placed within the proper food cost zones. These funds will ensure that additional financial support is available to purchase food for northern families.

Conclusion

Mr. Speaker, this budget represents a fresh start for the Northwest Territories. It makes clear that the painful cuts and period of restraint are behind us. The stage is set for economic growth and prosperity.

The fiscal framework we table today will create the foundation on which to build two viable, financially sound territories. With these measures, we will ensure that businesses - large and small - can be confident that their investments will yield long-term returns.

We will ensure that the north is a place where young people can find meaningful and rewarding work. Where families are assured they can meet the basic needs of their children. Where there is hope and opportunity for future generations.

Mr. Speaker, the future will be what we make it. I have every confidence that, as we turn the page on both this century and this government's brief history, we will see a new north that flourishes in the new millennium.

Critical challenges still confront us. Yet, we have never been better positioned to overcome them. Now, let us work together and get on with the job. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Item 2: Budget Address

Item 2: Budget Address

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Todd . Item 3, Ministers' statements. Item 4, Members' statements. Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Member's Statement 56-13(5): Congratulations To High School Graduates

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate some graduates for grade 12 in my constituency. In 1997 there were five graduates in Igloolik and in Hall Beach who graduated on December 27th, and I would like to thank their instructors especially in Hall Beach because this is the first program they have had in Hall Beach. I believe this program was conducted for five years in Igloolik. Thank you. (Translation ends)

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Member's Statement 56-13(5): Congratulations To High School Graduates

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Evaloarjuk . Members' statements. Mr. Ningark .

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Member's Statement 57-13(5): Pelly Bay Sealift Subsidies

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I will make a general brief statement on the Pelly Bay Transportation Assistance Program. Prior to 1993, a sealift service was not available to the residents of Pelly Bay. All the building materials, products, petroleum products and consumer items were flown into the community of Pelly Bay. In recognition of the high cost of consumer items, the transportation assistance subsidy was provided for the essential goods only, normally available through the sealift service equal to the public service rate to the nearest community to Pelly Bay, in this case Taloyoak.

Subsidy was phased out since the introduction of the sealift in 1993. Mr. Speaker, up to this point in time, the hamlet council of Pelly Bay, together with the coop organization of Pelly Bay has made a request of this government to do something about the cost of transportation into the community. Pelly Bay, in the Kitikmeot region has the highest cost of living. Mr. Speaker,

we have met with the Minister responsible for Transportation , government services regarding this matter. At the appropriate time I will be asking the Minister of Transportation , if he is the right Minister, regarding the status of the request. Thank you.

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Member's Statement 57-13(5): Pelly Bay Sealift Subsidies

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ningark . Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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Member's Statement 58-13(5): Deh Cho Leaders Meeting

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yesterday my honourable colleague, Mr. Antoine , mentioned the Deh Cho Leaders' meeting held in Hay River Reserve this past week. The reason I bring this up is that I, too, was in attendance, along with the Dogrib Treaty 11 delegation. This was a very interesting and informative meeting where many issues were brought forward. I would also agree with Mr. Antoine that it was encouraging to see the level of cooperation building.

It has been many years since I have seen the cooperation and frank discussions that took place between my regions and Deh Cho regions and various level of governments. All participants should feel proud of their accomplishments, and it is without a doubt that more meetings of this type will happen over the months to come. This will help steer our country towards division and a First Nations' land claims settlement. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 58-13(5): Deh Cho Leaders Meeting

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Rabesca . Member's statements. Mr. Roland .

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Member's Statement 59-13(5): Inuvik's Cost Of Living

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we are here to govern on behalf of the people we represent. The young, the elderly, the sick, healthy, the employed and the unemployed. Mr. Speaker, I have had a chance to talk to many people during the time I spent at home this Christmas. I have heard from those who are fortunate to still have jobs, and they are wondering how much longer things will drag on for. Small businesses are closing their doors. Those that can afford to leave are doing just that. Many who are leaving are doing so, not because they want to but because they can find work elsewhere, and for the same job in other jurisdictions, they receive equal or better pay than in the north.

Mr. Speaker, Inuvik was once a place where work was plentiful, where contractors did not have to rely strictly on government. Well, things have changed. At the high point of Inuvik's history, we had a population of between 7,000 to 8,000 people. According to the census of 1996, Inuvik is at almost 3,300. If you talk to the people, they say it is more like 2,500. Mr. Speaker, at this time I request unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Member's Statement 59-13(5): Inuvik's Cost Of Living

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Inuvik is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? Mr. Roland , you have unanimous consent.

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Member's Statement 59-13(5): Inuvik's Cost Of Living

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you Members. Mr. Speaker, I do not make a habit of looking at all the negative things around us. I try and look for the light at the end of the tunnel, but it is difficult to do so when so many are struggling to make ends meet. It is a wonder why so many want to take control away from the Government of the Northwest Territories. Mr. Speaker, it is time for this government to put action into its words. If we want the respect of the people we represent, then we better start doing more than blowing off hot air. Mr.

Speaker, in closing we have heard this afternoon of some of the positive news that might come our way. After two budgets that focused on reductions, we can finally tell the people, no more reductions. Mr. Speaker, the community of Inuvik looks forward to receiving some of the benefits from our prudent fiscal management. Thank you.

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Member's Statement 59-13(5): Inuvik's Cost Of Living

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Member's Statement 60-13(5): Improving Fiscal Outlook

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, when the 13th Assembly took office and came aboard the ship of state, it was headed for some very rocky fiscal shoals. Today, I see as a good day, and I would like to commend the Minister for what I see is a good news budget, but we cannot forget the only reason that this happened is because 24 MLAs sat around this House together, and we made some very hard decisions. We did it because we knew we had to, and we did it because we had to work together. Mr. Speaker, on this day when we move to a brighter future; hopefully, we cannot forget the people we represent.

While we made the decisions, hard as they were; they have had to live with them. I think we have to remember very clearly as we move forward that they are paying the price for our decisions, and hopefully, they will now benefit as we move to a brighter future. Thank you.

--Applause

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Samuel Gargan

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Member's Statement 61-13(5): Yellowknife Airport Stop Signs

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yesterday in this House I mentioned a mini-construction boom going on at the Yellowknife airport. Accordingly, that is not the only thing going at the Yellowknife airport. Mr. Speaker, I have received numerous complaints from businesses and individual constituents about the installation of stop signs at every intersection on the service road at the Yellowknife airport. These stop signs interfere with the natural flow of traffic at the

airport and are not appreciated or thought to be needed by any of the tenants at the airport. In fact Mr. Speaker, I have had several phone calls and cannot identify a single individual who is in favour of this installation of stop signs. Mr. Speaker when this government took over the operation of the Yellowknife airport from the federal government, I had a vision of increased cooperation between the tenants and our government and a meaningful consultation process that would involve the tenants and the operations at the airport. This seems to be, Mr.

Speaker, a bureaucratic decision and I cannot find anyone who was consulted on the installation of these stop signs. Mr. Speaker, I stated yesterday, that the transportation industry is one of the positive economic indicators in Yellowknife. I believe that as a government, it is our responsibility to work with industry and not put up road blocks or stop signs that would impede that progress. Mr. Speaker, later on in question period I will be addressing some questions to the Minister responsible. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

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Member's Statement 62-13(5): Public Service Uncertainties

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today, Mr. Speaker, I would like to talk about the public service and the employees of the Government of the Northwest Territories and some of the uncertainties that they have had to cope with over the past two years. Our Minister of Finance has referred to our staff today as one of our most valuable resources. First, there will be amendments to the Public Service Act, which most MLAs agreed, although a bitter pill, had to be concurred with in order to meet our deficit reduction targets. This resulted in an across the board wage roll-back of 6.5 percent and the loss of other benefits.

While dealing with this, there was also the compounded effect of reductions in funds for operating most departments and the associated layoffs, as a further cost-saving measure. Some of our employees in the larger departments also had to live with the uncertainty of layoffs resulting from amalgamation of departments and the proposed amalgamations, which ultimately did not proceed. In the midst of this uncertainty there were casualties as would be expected.

Since people generally do not like to work and live for too long in an environment of declining morale associated with lack of job security, many good and long-term employees of our government sought other employment opportunities, early retirement, et cetera.

I do not know if we will ever know for sure the cumulative effect on our public service of roll-backs, layoffs, transfers, increased workloads and uncertainty, but in the midst of all this another uncertainty has arisen. The government, partly in response to the problems acknowledged, related to pay equity questions, has undertaken to re-evaluate all government positions. This process should have been completed on January 15th, just one week ago. The, as yet, unanswered question which this evaluation process raises is, what is going to be done with the information that is collected when it is completed? Mr.

Speaker, I am very concerned about the negative impact that uncertainty has on our public workforce, and I will be questioning the appropriate Minister about this today in question period. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

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Member's Statement 63-13(5): Recognition Of Public Servants

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will be speaking in Inuktitut. Mr. Speaker, representing our community, I was told by an employee of the Government of the Northwest Territories that they do not receive enough recognition. I found a problem with that because I find that we have made a lot of layoffs in the employment of the public service, and we do not even recognize our employees when they have contributed five years of their employment for the public service. I have a problem with this.

For the employees who have contributed ten years of their lives to working within the public service, they have done so because of enjoyment in their employment, but there was no recognition on their behalf. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

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Member's Statement 64-13(5): Homeless People

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to speak about some forgotten people in our communities. I speak of those that many people would wish would disappear, the homeless. Mr. Speaker, every day when we sit down to eat, these people are wandering around with no place to eat. Every night when we are getting ready to sleep, dozens of people in Yellowknife are wandering around looking for a place to sleep. Can you imagine what it is like looking for a place to sleep when it is 40 below? Mr. Speaker, to illustrate the problem, a couple of my constituents have been in the news lately.

They have a small shack in the Old Town, and they consistently let several people, sometimes up to ten people a night stay there. This is causing great concern to their neighbours. Yellowknife is not the only centre that has homeless people. Community people seem to gravitate to the larger centres. Inuvik, Rankin Inlet and Iqaluit all have homeless. Studies have shown that people who are homeless cause more crimes and have greater social problems, things like drug and alcohol abuse, theft, break and enters, prostitution. Mr. Speaker, we cannot rely on our citizens to help all the homeless.

That is our responsibility as a government, a responsibility that we seem to be shirking. Later today, I will ask the appropriate Minister what we are doing to help the NWT homeless. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Member's Statement 65-13(5): Diand Diamond Responsibilities

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to congratulate the Minister of Finance on his remarks and speech today. It was made under difficult financial restraints, and some good ideas have come out, but I am not here to speak on that, Mr. Speaker. Before I carry on with my topic, I would just like to say I have some ideas of my own on that, and over the next several days, I will be speaking to the report that Mr. Todd has made. I want to focus my comments today, Mr. Speaker, on the diamond issue.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Can we have some order? Mr. Ootes , Members are only allowed to make one statement per day. I would like to ask you to stick to that one statement. I will allow you to make your statement, but please, just a reminder.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

My apologies, Mr. Speaker, and thank you for your indulgence. I want to focus my comments today on my abject frustration with the Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development and its continued mishandling of the diamond portfolio. Many of us here in Yellowknife have spent an inordinate amount of time to get valuation sorting done in our community. We have travelled to Europe, initiated the formation of the Yellowknife Diamond Task Force. We lobbied federal officials, but it is hard to lobby people who will not listen.

In December, the Yellowknife Diamond Task Force travelled to Ottawa but were refused a meeting with DIAND Minister, Jane Stewart, or her top officials. To snub a delegation led by Mayor Dave Lovell and the largest city in the Northwest Territories served to remind me once again of the arrogance of DIAND, and how they are not interested in listening to the elected officials of the Northwest Territories. They dropped the ball on the whole diamond issue and are obviously too embarrassed to pick it up. They failed to make valuation sorting facilities in the north a prerequisite of a development permit.

Minister Stewart still does not appreciate how much money and how many jobs are at stake for the future of Canada. An industry that is worth some $56 billion annually by the time it reaches the consumer, and by De Beers reckoning, Canada may some day produce 15 percent of the world's diamond. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Yellowknife Centre is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? Mr. Ootes , you have unanimous consent.

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Member's Statement 65-13(5): Diand Diamond Responsibilities

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Again, thank you for your indulgence and the Members. DIAND has gone so far as to dismiss our ideas as the myth of benefits. The Minister must be more responsible about an issue that stands to pour $4.4 billion into the federal coffers over the next 25 years, and she could double those Canadian benefits if she would listen to us. I want to remind the Minister she is in charge not just of aboriginal affairs but also of northern economic development, and that means paying attention to the elected leaders of the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Members' statements. Mr. Ng .

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Member's Statement 66-13(5): Lupin Mine Closure

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, on January 6th, Echo Bay announced the temporary closure of the Lupin Mine. The impact was on approximately 480 total employees, we are told. Of those, 40 were full-time positions from Kugluktuk and Cambridge Bay in my constituency. There were another 15 to 20 part-time seasonal jobs affiliated with that for work on the Ulu Project and the ice road. That equates to approximately $2.5 million to $3.5 million of income. This supposedly temporary closure is regrettable. It is regrettable to the company and their shareholders for their investment in the Northwest Territories.

It is regrettable for the businesses that provided some of the services. Mr. Speaker, not only is it regrettable, but it is tragic for all the employees that were employed there, employees who had mortgages and loans, employees who had families to support.

Of particular concern to myself, of course, is the 50 to 60 families impacted in the Kitikmeot constituency. Although the layoffs have been a bad situation for them, there has been some positive aspects of the closure. The closure has drawn together the community agencies in support of the laid-off employees. The hamlet councils; the Kitikmeot Inuit Association; the Kitikmeot Community Economic Development Organization; the GNWT through the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development and Education, Culture, and Employment.

The regional health and social services boards have all come together to support the laid-off employees, along with Human Resources Development Canada. Representatives of those organizations have formed the working group that are committed to minimizing the impact on these laid off employees and assisting them in their time of transition. Skilled profiles will be collected of the employees. Assistance will be provided in developing resumes which will be forwarded to mining and exploration companies. Income producing and training opportunities for those wishing to access them will be provided.

Personal counselling and money management counselling will be provided to those wishing to access them. In the interim, two former employees have been contracted, Lucy Ivarluk of Kugluktuk and Eddie Maniyogina of Cambridge Bay to act as a liaison between the laid-off employees and the support group. I want to close by saying I commend all those involved in the spirit of cooperation that they have put together in trying to assist these employees in their time of need. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ng . Members' statements. Item 5, returns to oral questions. Item 6, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It gives me great pleasure to recognize the mayor of Broughton Island, Lootie Toomasie and also the mayor of Pangnirtung, Joanasie Maniapik. Thank you.

--Applause

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Page 259

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Ootes .

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Item 6: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is a great pleasure for me to take a moment to introduce His Worship, Mayor Dave Lovell of Yellowknife, also the Chairman of the Yellowknife Diamond Task Force, Mayor Lovell.

--Applause

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Page 259

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Barnabas .

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation) Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize Natsiq Kango, as well as Victor Tootoo, who are in the gallery. They are from NTI. (Translation ends)

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Picco .

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the gallery today is Mr. Ken Harper, a well known local businessman in Iqaluit, Mr. Jerry Ell from the Qikiqtaaluk Corporation, and Natsiq Kango from Iqaluit, who is also the secretary treasurer for NTI, introduced earlier by Mr. Barnabas . Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Henry .

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Item 6: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize a few people in the gallery today. Normally I do not get an opportunity because I very seldom see the people behind. Some former Members of this House, Mr. Speaker, Fred Koe and Michael Ballantyne, I believe, are in the House. Mayor Lovell has been identified. Ben McDonald. I believe some of the deputy ministers of the government are here, Don Cooper, Penny Ballantyne, Margaret Melhorn and Lew Voytilla. I also believe some of the Yellowknife business community that I would like to identity: Jack Walker, Tony Chang, Allan Vaughan and Alex Arychuk.

I believe Garth Malakoe the Yellowknife Chamber of Commerce president is here as well. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have a large crowd up there today, and it is an honour to see such a large turnout. So in case Mr. Henry might have missed someone, I would like to recognize all the other people who have not gotten recognized at this time.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize a person from Pond Inlet, Billy Merkosak. (Translation ends)

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Page 259

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will take the opportunity today for all the days when all the rest of you are not here, there is somebody who is here every day and that is the president of the Northwest Territories Teachers' Association, Pat Thomas.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. We will take a 15-minute break. I would like to invite people in the gallery for coffee, tea and munchies in the Great Hall.

--Break

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The House will come back to order. Item 7, oral questions. Mr. Ningark .

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Question 61-13(5): Pelly Bay Resupply Concerns

Item 7: Oral Questions

Page 259

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. Earlier today I made a Member's statement regarding the Transportation Assistance Program for Pelly Bay. While we recognize the government and appreciate the sealift to Pelly Bay, it makes things much easier for the community in the area of transportation. The community of Pelly Bay, together with the hamlet council and Taloyoak organizations in the community, feel that we have not gained anything since we were able to get the transportation through the sealift.

In fact, the people of Pelly Bay feel that the only body that benefitted from this initiative is the Government of the NWT. We are able to cut the costs of transportation of the construction materials, heating fuel, at the same time the cost of the groceries to the community increased somewhat. I do not think that is fair. The community of Pelly Bay does not think that is fair. My question, Mr. Speaker is directed to the Minister of Transportation .

Will the Minister direct his officials to communicate with the Hamlet of Pelly Bay regarding the request to ensure that the transportation costs will be equivalent to the next community, in this case Taloyoak? At this point in time the freight rate is much higher than that of that community. Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to reply to the honourable Member by first going back into the background on this situation in Pelly Bay. Mr. Speaker, in the past Pelly Bay was getting subsidized, their dry cargo used to be flown up by air from Winnipeg and there was no sealift at that time so a lot of the dry cargo was subsidized. The fuel was shipped to Hall Beach and then flown into Pelly Bay which was very expensive. In 1992-93, Mr. Speaker, the sealift was initiated and dry cargo was shipped to Nanisivik mines and then the coastguard would carry this cargo to Pelly Bay in the summer time.

The gasoline itself continued to be airlifted from Hall Beach, which is still quite expensive today. We have had discussions with the Canadian Coastguard and we are moving into active discussions as well with the Interim Commissioner, along with the coastguard on the eastern Arctic sealifts future and would like to continue to bring down the costs of dry cargo and fuel resupply to remote communities such as Pelly Bay. We are basing these discussions on trying to be fair and trying to be equitable in costs between all the communities up in the north. We are into active discussions with the principal bodies.

We are working mainly with the Canadian Coastguard. Thank you.

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Supplementary to the same honourable Minister. We know the history of the transportation into the community of Pelly Bay as I indicated earlier today regarding that it was 1993, but service was not available prior to that year. At the same time, I will again remind the Minister the community is paying the costs of transportation so that government will enjoy the substantial reduction since the barge closed to that community. When will the Minister communicate with the Hamlet of Pelly Bay to try and reduce the costs equivalent to the next neighbouring community, again in this case Taloyoak.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, before 1993 the community was paying very reasonable costs and the government was picking up a lot of the extra costs in terms of a subsidy to the community. Once the sealift was introduced, then that subsidy had been lifted and the community then was paying close to the actual costs of delivery of transportation of the dry goods and the heating fuel. Our goal, in our discussions with the Canadian Coastguard, which are the carrier of the dry cargo from Nanisivik, is to come down on the costs of the dry cargo in Pelly Bay and all the other communities.

Again, I must say that this community was previously subsidized quite substantially. Again, I want to mention that there is active discussions going on with the carrier, the Canadian Coastguard and the Interim Commissioner. The honourable Member is asking when is this cost going to be put into effect? After the discussions are done, along with the requests that I am hearing from the honourable Member; then we will have a better understanding of whether we are going to reduce the costs or put in a subsidy or not. Thank you.

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank the honourable Minister for that reply, but he indicated that there is active discussion between the coastguard and this government and the Interim Commissioner. I am wondering if the community is part of that active discussion? Since 1993 we were told as a result of the barge or Canadian Coastguard going into Pelly Bay, there was a substantial amount of savings realized by this government. In fact, I was told that around $500,000. That is a lot of money. I am hoping that because government has gained from this initiative, will the government share that gain with the community? Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this current contract that we have in regard to delivering of dry cargo expires at the end of 1998. I guess the active discussion is looking at how are we going to deal with dry cargo after this contract expires? As for, what did the government gain? I do not really know the numbers, but I could look into that matter, but I do not think that the government really gained in this matter.

I think if we were subsidizing the community so that to bring the costs down; then, you know, the cost of transportation was picked up by the government at that time and by putting in the sealifts, the cost of this subsidy has been greatly reduced. Maybe that is the way the government benefitted, by having a less expense into subsidizing the community. I will take the question from the honourable Member and since he is talking about specific numbers, I will check that out and get back to the honourable Member with more detailed information. Thank you.

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my understanding is that when the subsidy was provided to the community, it was in the neighbourhood of $100,000 a year, and I am told that there is a saving realized in the area of $500,000. Now we are talking about $400,000 that is being realized by this government. Will the Minister now communicate with the Hamlet of Pelly Bay tomorrow or Monday regarding this matter? Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you. Yes.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Deputy Premier. After the fine budget speech, we were all invited to a reception and it was quickly clear that there were actually two receptions.

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Shame, Shame.

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Thebacha

This was a source of considerable discussion and questions and wonderment. It appeared upstairs that there was a select few who were invited upstairs where they nibbled on shrimp and smoked char.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

The rest of the folks downstairs were drinking kool aid and juice and eating crackers.

--Laughter

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I would like to remind the Member from Thebacha that this

preamble has nothing to do with Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Out of respect, I just want to say that it relates to the government and the handling of this budget. Where we talk of transparency and the only transparency we saw upstairs was there was a glass window which our noses were pressed against wondering what was going on inside. I would just like to ask the Deputy Prime Minister or Deputy Premier, sorry, if you could speak to this issue and maybe clear the air as we try to chart ahead into a brave new future together after having made very many difficult decisions together. Thank you.

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Thank you. I am not too sure if I heard a question in there, but I would like to remind the Members that when they direct a question to the Minister, the question must be relating to the government, to that Minister, its responsibility, the administration of that government and that it is within his knowledge. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, for that guidance. I will try to be a little clearer. I would like the Deputy Premier, the head of the government, who put forward this budget, and I am assuming set up this particular nice reception, just to speak to the structure and why was it set up as a two-tiered kind of approach? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Deputy Premier, Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think I would start off by congratulating the Finance Minister for an excellent job in putting the budget together, and for the first time since we began deliberating, some of the best news that the government has been able to come up with and announcing things like job creation to the tune of 1,000 new jobs, over 1,000 new houses, a balanced budget, et cetera, and the list goes on and on, help for the poor, more money for social assistance, food baskets, et cetera.

I would add that the Finance Minister and his staff have been working literally day and night over the last few weeks putting this together. Although other Members of the Legislative Assembly chose not to recognize that this afternoon, the government certainly does. Part of the approach in the new budget is that the government's new incentives and initiatives will require a good deal of monies from the private sector because a lot of the principals are to lever money from companies, from banks, et cetera to get a lot of these projects off the ground.

They are significant amounts of dollars, over the $100 million range. What we had in the audience today were some of the members of the banking community, of the businesses that will be partners with government in delivering all this good news. The banking community and others were asked by the Finance Minister to give some initial reaction today on their first impressions of some of these initiatives, and this is part of the consultation of this discussion that needs to occur to make sure that these initiatives are realized and that things forge ahead. I did not mention shrimp and so forth.

The mention of shrimp and so forth, I did not see any. They might have some left over that the Ordinary Members had yesterday over in the Member's lounge, but...

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Some Hon. Members

Bravo.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Once again, I think the Minister of Finance has done an excellent job.

--Applause

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Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do not think anybody will argue with that fine and somewhat extensive

preamble about the budget and the work done by the Finance Minister and his people. It is a highly symbolic issue here. As the discussion goes on, we talk about a two- tiered reception. When we made these cuts as a government, we asked all the people to share the burden. When it comes time to move on, the bankers and certain people eat shrimp and smoked char, and the people who had to live with all the cuts and work through the process are forced to eat crackers and kool aid. I do not think that message is the right one that you are trying to send on such a long day as this.

Would not the Deputy Premier agree that it is not the message we are trying to send to the people of the north? We are going to prosper together. Thank you.

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Thank you. I did not hear a question there, Mr. Miltenberger . Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is, is this event today symbolic of the way that we intend to move forward where there will be two different kinds of prospering in the north, and is that the message we are sending to the many people we invited here today? A lot of the people who worked hard and lived with the cuts, are we sending a message that there is a two-tiered approach to the way we are going to move forward in prosperity? There was not one when we had the cuts. We all had to live with it together.

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Shame, shame.

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Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Before I refer the technical part of the answer to the Minister of Finance , I would like to make it clear again that this is not a two-tiered approach. What we have is a partnership arrangement where the government is finally dealing with a balanced budget after many, many sacrifices and cooperation between the Cabinet, other Members of the Legislative Assembly, our staff and all people of the Northwest Territories and that we need to foster and encourage these partnerships. The bankers and businessmen are one but also a significant partner, so are others in the Northwest Territories.

If it is okay with you, Mr. Speaker, I would like to refer the rest of the answer to Mr. Todd .

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Thank you, Mr. Arlooktoo . Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

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Well, Mr. Speaker, I hope the bankers are not listening. Quite frankly, after working two years with my colleague, it is disappointing that is what it has amounted to when we come forward and worked hard to put together a budget that is balanced, creative and proactive. There is no two tiered system here. All I am trying to do is bring in the banks who are going to lend the monies to make sure that we get the infrastructure requirements in our communities, and frankly, I am embarrassed at the level of conversation that is going on here right now. Embarrassed. I do not find it amusing one bit.

What we have been providing the banks with for the last two days are technical briefings on where we are going with respect to the new initiatives to reassure them that this government has balanced its budget and has got its fiscal house in order and suddenly talking about shrimps and two-tiered system does nothing to lend credibility to what we are doing here today. It is not a two-tiered system.

It was a private discussion between the bankers, what I was introducing, and some of the business community who can speak and enhance and support the policies that we are bringing forward to move us into the new millennium. That is what all this was. If I have offended my colleagues on the other side because they did not get shrimp like they did yesterday, I apologize. We have spent weeks trying to convince bankers that we know what we are doing. I spent weeks trying to ask them to come to the north so they can understand what is going on.

We are taking them to BHP tomorrow to show them the kind of magnitude of the projects going on in this country, that it has a future. It is not a two-tiered system. It is not an issue about shrimp. This is an issue about credibility. This is an issue about investment money. This is an issue about encouraging bankers to open their purses and give it to the people that we need to put the infrastructure in place.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Then I guess we are embarrassed but for different reasons. I am embarrassed that this government would think that it could treat people differently, that ordinary people, not Ordinary MLAs, who we invited to our reception, be treated differently. I am not denying the hard work and the value of this budget, but I think it is very symbolic. So it is unfortunate that we all feel joint embarrassment for the wrong reasons. We have worked very hard and we have asked the people of the north, every one of them, to tighten their belts, take pay cuts, get programs cut, lose benefits.

This is a symbolic issue. We are worried about packaging and the message we are sending we have to work...

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Miltenberger , I would like to remind Members that you are allowed the

preamble at the beginning of your questions, and then once the question is responded to, then you can ask a supplementary regarding the response. I will remind the Members that I will start applying that rule in the House. Too many times, Members are continuously going on without asking questions at

preamble for every time you make a supplementary. It is not allowed. Members should know that. Mr. Miltenberger , your supplementary.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Supplementary question to the Deputy Premier, this is not a technical question, Mr. Speaker. Are not the people, the ordinary people of the Northwest Territories entitled to the same kind of consideration as the bankers and the money men? Thank you.

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Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The residents of the Northwest Territories are the people that we serve, and we do not forget that. The significant and important and positive initiatives that the Minister of Finance announced today are directed towards the people of the Northwest Territories, the public. In order to secure those initiatives and to make sure we have the money to pay for them, to lever the money, we require the cooperation and, in some cases, the lending of these monies from the bankers that the Minister of Finance met with today.

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Question 63-13(5): Assistance To Former Grollier Hall Students

Item 7: Oral Questions

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question at this time will be directed to the Minister of Health and Social Services . Mr. Speaker, before I returned back to Yellowknife for this session, in the community of Inuvik, a meeting was held by a group concerned with the Grollier Hall residential school. I am wondering if the Minister received any information from the meeting that was held and some of the concerns raised. I would like to know if the Minister of Health has received anything and what kind of response that this government will have to try and work with the group that is trying to help out surviving students of Grollier Hall. Thank you.

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The Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I understand that the meeting organized by the Inuvik Regional Health and Social Services' Board was held last week. Representatives of the victims' group were there, the Gwich'in Tribal Council, the Inuvialuit Regional Corporation and the GNWT through Department of Health and Social Services and the Department of Justice. Also the federal government through Department of Indian and Northern Affairs had representation. The Roman Catholic Church and, of course, the regional health and social services' board as I indicated.

I do not have the outcome of discussions of the meeting at hand with me. I know, from a GNWT perspective, ourselves, the Department of Justice and Department of Education, Culture and Employment are working together in trying to develop some support mechanisms to provide the necessary support for the victims, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Minister inform us if this government, although they are working on working together with a number of other departments; do we have a policy or does the Department of Health and Social Services have a policy to deal with such things as residential school, things that have happened? It is not the first in the history of the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am not certain if we have an actual policy to cover these types of situations. I know they are serious situations and we are in the process of, as I indicated, as a government coordinating a response and coordinating some supports that we feel will be able to assist the individuals involved, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister inform us, not that this government is working on something to assist individuals, but will this government work with the group, Grollier Hall Residential School Planning Circle, work with them in achieving some form of a healing process for the individuals affected? Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we most definitely will. As I indicated, they have been a part of the preliminary discussions with representation across, not just our government but the federal government as well. Thank you.

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Question 64-13(5): Keewatin Regional Health Board Appointment

Item 7: Oral Questions

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister responsible for Health and Social Services . Mr. Speaker, prior to Christmas I asked the question of the Minister as to why Mr. Gordon Main of Arviat was not officially approved as a board member for the local health board, regional health board. The Minister indicated that, I believe, on the 2nd of December that it was going through the Cabinet for discussion or approval. Mr. Speaker, as a result, some 50 days later, Mr.

Main still has not been approved by the Minister's office, and as such, can attend the meetings of the regional health board but is not a voting member. I would like to ask the Minister why is it taking this length of time to approve Mr. Main in this position. Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am not certain today if Mr. Main has been appointed or not. I know there was a whole back log of appointments due to go through. I will commit to checking on that today and getting back to the Member as soon as possible tomorrow. Thank you.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is my understanding that there had been a number of appointments recently. I recall that in the Baffin, within a week or so, they appointed a chair person. I believe recently also in Rankin Inlet, there has been an appointment to the board, a local person. I believe recently, also in Rankin Inlet there has been an appointment to the board, a local person and once again, I would ask the Minister, is it normal for it to take approximately four months for an appointment of this nature to take place? Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is not normal for an appointment to take that long. As I indicated, if it is stuck or something has happened, I apologize for the delay in the appointment of Mr. Main and I will find out exactly what the status is. Thank you.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, would the Minister commit to a timeframe, so that possibly in the next week, he could confirm whether or not Mr. Main will be appointed or not? Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is in the process I have committed to having Mr. Main appointed if he is the designated representative of the community. It is just a matter of finding out where the documentation is where it got stuck in the sys