Debates of Sept. 17th, 1992

This is page numbers 971 - 990 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was housing .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Member's Statements On The Role Of M.a.c.a. In The Community Transfer Initiative

The Government's Heavy-handed Tactics In Dealing With Northern Moving Companies

Level Of Staffing At The Yellowknife R.c.m.p. Detachment

Return To Oral Question O689-12(2): Hiring Southern Summer Students

Question O798-12(2): Development Of Initiative For Training By-law Officers

Question O799-12(2): Upgrade Of Cape Dorset Airstrip

Question O800-12(2): Vaccinations For Puppies

Question O801-12(2): Lack Of Consultation With Northern Moving Firms Regarding Tariff System

Question O802-12(2): Status Of Fort Providence D.o.t. Compound

Question O803-12(2): Increase In N.W.T. Investments Projected For 1993

Question O804-12(2): G.n.w.t. Contract Procedures

Question O805-12(2): Tabling Of Service Contract

Summary

Question O806-12(2): Coordination Of N.w.t.p.c. And Dogrib Nation Negotiations

Question O807-12(2): Amount Expended On Flood Damage

Question O808-12(2): Maintenance Of Fort Simpson Highway

Question O809-12(2): Lack Of Contract Specifications

Question O810-12(2): Levels Of Inuktitut Examinations

Question O811-12(2): Use Of Funds Provided For Trout Lake Office Building

Question O812-12(2): Divisional School Board Funding

Question O813-12(2): Review Of Hamlet Employee's Salaries

Question O814-12(2): Amendments To Vital Statistics Act

Question O815-12(2): Stage Of Family Law Review

Question O816-12(2): Payments For Flood Damage

Question O817-12(2): Negotiation Of Alternate Program For Northern Public Housing

Item 9: Replies To Budget Address

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Reduction In Federal Funding For Cost Shared Social Housing

Item 20: Report Of The Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Hon. Titus Allooloo , Mr. Antoine , Mr. Arngna'naaq , Hon. James Arvaluk , Hon. Michael Ballantyne , Hon. Nellie Cournoyea , Mr. Dent , Mr. Gargan , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Koe , Mr. Lewis , Mrs. Marie-Jewell , Ms. Mike , Hon. Don Morin , Mr. Nerysoo , Mr. Ningark , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Mr. Pudluk , Mr. Todd , Hon. Tony Whitford , Mr. Zoe

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 971

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Good morning. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Todd .

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Member's Statements On The Role Of M.a.c.a. In The Community Transfer Initiative

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 971

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yesterday, I commented on my concerns with the directions currently being taken by the government, and its handling of the community transfer initiatives.

I do not like to sound negative all of the time, Mr. Speaker, so today I will offer a positive suggestion. Transfer the responsibility to M.A.C.A. The Department of Municipal and Community Affairs should be the lead department in matters dealing with community transfer initiatives.

This department has over 20 years experience in consulting with community groups, and negotiating a wide range of agreements. It has the know-how, Mr. Speaker, it has the resources. Most important, it has a carefully established working relationship with hamlets, settlements, and regional organizations.

This was something that was recognized in the 11th Assembly, and I note, that a motion was even passed there stating that M.A.C.A. should be given the mandate to lead and coordinate devolution of responsibilities to the communities.

The current government responded by creating a Community Transfer Committee within the Department of the Executive. This, Mr. Speaker, is not where the responsibility lies. We should not be trying to re-invent the wheel.

Mr. Speaker, I said yesterday, that I realize that some communities and regions are going to want to deal with matters surrounding the inherent right to self-government, and perhaps, even models of government are alternatives to public government. I am fully supportive of their desire to do so and where the expertise of the Minister of Intergovernmental and Aboriginal Affairs, and his officials, are needed to assist, I trust that his Cabinet colleagues will involve him, and give him a free reign to take on these difficult negotiations.

The mechanics of the process, the time lines, the negotiation of how responsibility areas are to be packaged for transfer and followed up, these should all be the prime responsibility of the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs.

I say, transfer the initiative to M.A.C.A.

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Member's Statements On The Role Of M.a.c.a. In The Community Transfer Initiative

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 971

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Dent .

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The Government's Heavy-handed Tactics In Dealing With Northern Moving Companies

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 971

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to express my surprise, and disappointment, with the heavy- handed method used recently by the Departments of Personnel and Government Services, in the matter effecting local businesses.

Members of this Legislative Assembly have spoken often in the House about the value that we place on northern business. We have said that the development of the northern economy must be a priority. We want to see a healthy northern business sector, so that we can keep our dollars in the north.

Mr. Speaker, to me this means that the government should work in cooperation with northern business. We are not enemies. We all have a stake in the development of a strong economy, and a healthy business sector.

It seems lately, however, that the government is better at talking than at acting. Recently the government decided to review the rates that departments are paying for the movement of employees' goods. One would expect that the companies supplying the service would have been consulted, and that a process of negotiations would have begun.

In these difficult times, one might expect tough bargaining, but certainly there would have been a process of negotiation. Rather than negotiate, however, the government simply came up with rates, they decided they would pay for the services. The government did not discuss their new tariff system with any moving companies in the north. They simply released the rates, terms, and conditions, on a take it, or leave it, basis.

Northern moving companies were not initially asked for a response. In fact, when the initial rates were released, northern moving companies were specifically told by letter, that no responses were necessary, as responses would be submitted by their national offices in southern Canada.

This dictatorial approach, and unwillingness, to even enter into discussions on issues that will determine the survival of northern business, was not necessary, and is not acceptable from this government.

I welcome the Minister of Personnel's commitment to delay the implementation of the new tariff for moving. He is to allow northern firms time to react to the new tariff. I hope this will lead to the type of consultative process that should have been undertaken from the beginning.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Government's Heavy-handed Tactics In Dealing With Northern Moving Companies

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 971

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Lewis .

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Level Of Staffing At The Yellowknife R.c.m.p. Detachment

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 972

Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am alarmed that the level of staffing in the Yellowknife detachment of the R.C.M.P. remains at the same level as it was in the 1970s. Yellowknife is still a very small city by Canadian standards, Mr. Speaker, but it has many big city problems, and I am sure many Members are familiar with what I am talking about.

Twenty four hour a day policing is becoming increasingly difficult. Many citizens, including many of my constituents, question whether it is possible to even do that, with current levels of staff.

I have listened carefully to Members who make similar claims for increasing police services in their own communities. I am familiar with many of these communities, Mr. Speaker, and to their credit, they do not have a big city style of crime to contend with, at least not at the moment.

By contrast, on the growth of industries in the city of Yellowknife over the past dozen years, we have security businesses, and the sale of alarm and safety devices, as well as other areas related to the security business, which I will not go into at the moment.

The concern I have is not just simply the level of staffing, but the fact that they no longer can do the specialized kind of work that they did in the 1970s. I would not want to tip my hand to the criminal element that exists in every community. It is so bad, that if they were aware of it, I am sure it would be taken advantage of.

I would like to believe that governments respond to some objective standard of need, when they allocate resources. Increasing these, Mr. Speaker, I am afraid real measurable needs take a back seat to political whim, and the arbitrary exercise of power. I do not think that the government looks at the instances of crime as the basis for allocating resources.

Thank you.

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Level Of Staffing At The Yellowknife R.c.m.p. Detachment

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 972

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Return To Oral Question O689-12(2): Hiring Southern Summer Students

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, this is in response to a question asked by Mr. Nerysoo on June 29, 1992. Mr. Speaker, I have looked into the matter of the hiring of southern students, raised by Mr. Nerysoo .

As a result of the question, I have conducted a review of the hiring of southern summer students to determine whether qualified northerners were disadvantaged as a result of their employment.

A total of 416 students were hired this summer. Of these, 40 percent were long time northerners, 41 percent were aboriginal people, and 14 percent were northern residents. A total of 17 southern students were hired this year, making up approximately five percent of the total number of students hired.

I reviewed the list of southern students who were appointed to jobs, which we believed required technical qualifications not possessed by any available northern students.

Summer jobs, to which they were appointed, required qualifications such as advanced course work in geology, engineering technology, and mechanical engineering. In overall terms, Mr. Speaker, the summer student employment program was, I believe, extremely successful this year.

While restraint did place some limitations on departmental budgets, the government succeeded in employing nine percent more students than in 1991. This generated 416 jobs, which allowed students with supplementary incomes to go back to school. Departments and agencies conform to the rules for summer student employment, and I am satisfied that this program was a solid success in spite of the impact of restraint. Thank you.

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 972

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Todd .

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Question O798-12(2): Development Of Initiative For Training By-law Officers

Item 5: Oral Questions

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Justice . Yesterday, I asked a question with respect to what initiatives the Department of Justice is taking regarding the development of local policing where we do not have R.C.M.P. I was not satisfied with the Minister's response when he said, "as I understand it, none of the communities without R.C.M.P. are asking for an auxiliary force, or a replacement type of officer."

I would suggest that Mr. Kakfwi check his mail, because I know that the community of Whale Cove specifically asked for that. My question to the Minister of Justice is, is the Department of Justice prepared to develop an initiative in consultation with those communities that do not have R.C.M.P., to consider training or expanding the role of the by-law officers, so they can act in a policing capacity?

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Question O798-12(2): Development Of Initiative For Training By-law Officers

Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the Members of this Legislature, if they wish, can give direction to this government to do whatever it is that they want it to do. That seems to be a political fact these days. Let me just say, I am prepared to look at it, but the fact is, other jurisdictions across this country have looked at setting up their own police forces, auxiliary forces, and it is understood right across Canada that everybody has come to the same conclusion. Dollar for dollar, you cannot buy a police force that is as efficient, and as well run as the R.C.M.P. That is a lesson well learned across jurisdictions in the country, as I understand it.

That does not mean that here in the north we could not do a better job, so I would be prepared to look at it, and advise the Member on what the initial assessment of that would be. Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Supplementary, Mr. Todd .

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Question O798-12(2): Development Of Initiative For Training By-law Officers

Item 5: Oral Questions

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

I would like to give more clarification if I can. I would like the Minister to understand that I am not suggesting for one minute that we look at an alternative to the R.C.M.P. What I suggested yesterday, and I have tried to suggest again today, is where the communities do not have R.C.M.P., particularly in the small communities, will there be some consideration given to expanding the role of the by-law officers, so that they can provide some minimal policing duties? That is all that I am suggesting. I am not asking for sweeping changes in the policing aspect. This is what has been requested by me from the small communities.

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Question O798-12(2): Development Of Initiative For Training By-law Officers

Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Was that a question, Mr. Todd ? I did not hear a question. There is really no question there. Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Pudlat .

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Question O799-12(2): Upgrade Of Cape Dorset Airstrip

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question directed towards the Minister of Transportation . In Cape Dorset, there is a major concern regarding the airstrip. I want to ask the Minister of Transportation if, in the very near future, he would consider upgrading the Cape Dorset airstrip? I know that there is upgrading going on at this time, but I am sure that this will not improve the airstrip as a whole.

During the winter it can get very icy, and this is very dangerous to the citizens of Cape Dorset. For that reason, can the Minister responsible for Transportation , in the very near future, respond to our concerns regarding the Cape Dorset airstrip? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question O799-12(2): Upgrade Of Cape Dorset Airstrip

Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Whitford .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Regarding the airport at Cape Dorset, there is some work underway, at the present time, to do some stockpiling of gravel in anticipation of resurfacing the runway. I received a letter from the Municipality of Cape Dorset, expressing their concerns with the present condition of the runway, and we are going to do everything we can to ensure that they have safe conditions this winter.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 5, oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Pudlat .

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Question O799-12(2): Upgrade Of Cape Dorset Airstrip

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Supplementary to my question. I want to ask the Minister if he could respond to us, as soon as he can, as to what kind of funding they will be allocating for the upgrading of the airstrip? We know for a fact, that funding is tight at this time, but I want a response from the Minister. Will he consider giving funding to that airstrip? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you. Mr. Whitford .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. There is already plans in the budget, the 1995-96 capital budget, but I will get some information to the Member on the amounts of dollars that they are proposing shortly.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Michael Ballantyne

Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Pudluk .

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Question O800-12(2): Vaccinations For Puppies

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question to the Minister responsible for Renewable Resources . Our people are starting to utilize dog teams again, and the dogs need to be vaccinated for rabies. Will the Minister respond to this question of whether they have looked into giving vaccinations to young puppies in the north?

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Question O800-12(2): Vaccinations For Puppies

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Allooloo .

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have been informed, when female dogs get vaccinated, they tend to lose their milk, or when pregnant dogs are vaccinated sometimes they abort and lose the puppies. However, the department's scientists will be looking into this matter to determine the effects. I will be informing the people who own dogs regarding this matter. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Supplementary, Mr. Pudluk .

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Question O800-12(2): Vaccinations For Puppies

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker, supplementary. If that is the case, if dogs who get vaccinated when they are pregnant miscarry, or lose their milk, perhaps you could inform the communities to be more aware of this matter. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Mr. Allooloo .

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Question O800-12(2): Vaccinations For Puppies

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, we know for a fact, that dog teams are becoming more popular in the north, especially for hunters. If we do find out that this is the fact, this vaccination can destroy puppies when they are pregnant, and we will be informing the hunters through H.T.A.s in the communities. Thank you.

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Mr. Dent .

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Question O801-12(2): Lack Of Consultation With Northern Moving Firms Regarding Tariff System

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 973

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Personnel . Earlier today, I explained my disappointment with the process used by the government to develop a tariff system for the movement of employee's goods. There was no consultation with the moving companies effected, merely a directive, that they must accept what the government had decided to pay. My question is, was the Minister aware that the process used by his department to develop an attempt to institute a tariff system for the movement of employees' goods, included no consultation with northern business firms?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, my understanding of it is, that many of the movers are affiliated with southern firms, and national moving companies. There was an assessment done, the impact that it would have if we moved to adopting the federal tariff rates, and that there would be, of course, difficulties with implementing, such as, it would limit the amount of money that movers would get out of this government. That was the assessment of the department, but it is a period of severe restraint in this government, and if there is a market for moving people, somehow the market would take care of itself.

When the Member asked the question last week, I said that if it is not adequate to move right now without some more consultation, that I was prepared to do that, and it is my hope that we can still move on this in the near future. Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am not sure that my direct question was answered, but I think I heard the Minister say that he was willing to embark on a process of negotiations. Just for further clarity, would the Minister please advise whether he is willing now to commit his department to the process of negotiation with representatives of the moving industry, and particularly the companies that are based in the north, so that a solution may be reached which is acceptable to both the industry and the government, which will allow the industry to survive in the north?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, when I agreed to the one month delay, I should have said that it was a commitment to make good use of that month, making sure that officials are speaking to the people affected. Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Supplementary to the same Minister. Mr. Speaker, I welcome the announcement that the tariff would be delayed for a month. I was wondering if we could ask the Minister to assure us that if a month proves not enough time to reach a suitable agreement, if he will commit to ensuring that the tariff is not implemented until the process has had a chance to have an adequate time to be used?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I believe that the month is to allow the government to substantiate the reasons why they feel this should be done, and to give some time for the business community to put together their position; their arguments and views that would change the views of the government. So, if there is not time for that to happen, then I would agree that we need more time. I said a month, because the Member suggested a month, but if more time than that is required, as long as it does not stretch into a long delay, I think we would be prepared to accommodate that. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

I would like to take this opportunity to recognize Mr. Marvin Bourque, who is the President of the Fort Smith Metis, in the gallery.

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to direct my question to the Minister of Public Works . There has been an advertisement in the Native Press regarding the D.O.T. compound in Fort Providence. The bids were submitted, and I do not know what the dates are, but the closing date was September 2 of this month. So, it has now been over two weeks since the closing date. I have asked the officials for information with regard to this project about a week ago, since I believe something should have been done by now. Could you give me a status on that?

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am aware of this issue. The tender has been let for that project. All the bids are in. The bids are being evaluated now. Business Incentive Policy is being applied to those bids, and my understanding is that this project does exceed the estimated cost. It will be looked at now, and I will get back to the Member as soon as I have word prior to it being awarded. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, one of the requirements with regard to the awarding of the contract is that, I believe, the building should be finished by December 2, so we do not have that much time for the contractors to meet their obligation of that date. I would like to ask the Minister when he anticipates a decision?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will review it today, and make a decision today. Thank you.

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Question O803-12(2): Increase In N.W.T. Investments Projected For 1993

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Finance . I have had a chance to read what is going on with the money markets across this country, and I am a bit concerned about some of the information that was in the budget address, which I will reply to, Mr. Speaker. My

question has to do with the projection on investments. We know that the economy is dependent upon the development of human resources, development of infrastructure, and also your ability to attract capital. According to this document, the government projects that, although there will be a decrease of two percent in investment in the Northwest Territories in 1992, that there would be an increase of six per cent in 1993. Everything I have read since I have been back over the last week and a bit, Mr. Speaker, indicates that investment is down all over the country, and things do not look good for the future.

Where does the Minister get the six percent increase in investment in the Northwest Territories in 1993?

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Pollard .

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John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, you can say that we are being somewhat optimistic, but the fact remains, Mr. Speaker, that there is a tremendous interest at the present time in the mining industry in the Northwest Territories, there has been an expression of interest in a gas pipe line in the Northwest Territories. There has been, to our pleasure, acceptance by aboriginal organizations, and I would stress, the Dogrib being receptive to proposals that are put before them, with regards to, as we have heard recently, the hydroelectric projects they are looking at right now. The climate is changing.

People in the Northwest Territories are saying that they are open to business. We are getting a better climate for joint ventures. Consequently, we are forecasting that there will be more investment in the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, I should say that investment, although it may not all come from southern Canada, will be largely from the south, and it has been made clear to those companies that are anticipating benefits from the Northwest Territories, that it must be done on northerners terms. That northerners must be employed, that there must be spin offs to northern companies and that there should be some financial involvement of people in the north, in the large scale ventures.

Although we are forecasting a six percent increase, if those people who want to do business up here from the south, do not comply with our rules, we may not see that increase. Hopefully with today's climate, with everybody willing to sit around the table and discuss these things, we can go ahead, and we will get more investment in the Northwest Territories.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We know that many native organizations have been advised by our consultants that if you want to make any money, do not invest it here, invest it in Vancouver or Calgary where the rate of return is likely to be better.

My question to the Minister, since he is optimistic that we will be able to attract capital from the south, could he give me an indication of the six percent increase in investment, and what proportion of that does he estimate would be from southern Canada?

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Pollard .

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John Pollard

Hay River

I am flying on this one, Mr. Speaker, but I am going to say four percent. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Ballantyne

Item 5, oral questions. Mrs. Marie-Jewell .

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Government Services and D.P.W. With respect to the procedures used on contracting or tenders, can the Minister confirm that it is not standard government contracting procedures to invite tenders on work for which no scope or performance specifications have been developed?

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is standard to have a scope of work, and technical description of the project you want tendered. There is a tender document attached with every tender, for all interested bidders to look at, so that they know what they tendering on.

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Michael Ballantyne

Item 5, oral questions. Supplementary, Mrs. Marie-Jewell . New question. Ms. Mike .

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On June 29, 1992, I had asked the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism to table, in this House, a

summary outlining the reasons why it was necessary on April 19, 1992, to award additional dollars on a contract to Co-Pro Ltd. as continuation of this retainer, and the procedures used to call for proposals for services provided under SC310802 and SC310807.

Mr. Speaker, to date, although I have received the response, I have not seen the tabled reply to these requests that I made on June 29, 1992. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

There was no question there, Ms. Mike . Would you care to pose a question?

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Will he table these two questions that I have asked on June 29, 1992, at this time, when we are sitting?

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Minister.

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John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, because the House was not sitting, I did write to the Member, and outline the contracts 801 and 807. I will table those documents in the House, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Question O806-12(2): Coordination Of N.w.t.p.c. And Dogrib Nation Negotiations

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question would be for the Government Leader in her capacity as the Minister

responsible for the N.W.T. Power Corporation. Like other honourable Members, I was most interested in the news, which my honourable colleague from North Slave brought before this House on September 9, 1992, about start up negotiations between the N.W.T.P.C. and the Dogrib Nation.

I am sure that we all hope that this process will lead to exciting new hydroelectric development in the Dogrib region, in the sense that it reflects on forward thinking about involving local and regional government, in research and development within the power sector, and this is a commendable exercise. However, I am also interested in the way the Power Corporation will allocate resources for its participation in the negotiation process.

Can the Minister responsible for the N.W.T. Power Corporation indicate whether there are plans to hire consultants to coordinate, or participate, in the negotiation process?

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Michael Ballantyne

Ms. Cournoyea .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, at this point in time, the answer is no, and whether that happens in the future, I can seek to find out what will happen, on how those negotiations are going to take place. The discussions are in the preliminary stages at this time, and the process, or the working relationship, has not been set up. I will keep the Member informed, Mr. Speaker.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you. Can the Minister assure this House that she will make sure that any such contracts for consultants or negotiators involved in this initiative, will be advertised through the standard tendering or proposal call, procedure before a sole source contract is considered?

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , if he could provide, and table in this House, the total amount of dollars expended in response to the flood damage in Fort Liard, Hay River, and the Hay River Reserve?

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Transportation . Recently, I drove from here back to Fort Simpson, and I noticed that the conditions of the highway from the Fort Providence turn off to Fort Simpson has deteriorated quite a bit. In speaking with some engineers, since the application of this new oil that they put on the highway, it seems to me that the highway people do not really know how to work this stuff.

As a result, the highway has deteriorated. I was wondering if the Minister could tell me if he would have his people review the application, and the maintenance, of this highway, from the Fort Providence junction to Fort Simpson, and down to the B.C. border, as well? Thank you.

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Yes, Mr. Speaker, in efforts to improve the highways, and especially in the area of dust control, there are two different applications on the surface. One is calcium chloride and the other one is DL10, and that is the oil that the Member is referring to. It is a substance concocted of an oil base, detergent and water, and it binds the fine material together, like dust.

In most cases it works really well. There are conditions, if there is not enough fine sand, that it does not work quite as well, and the roads, in some spots, lack fine material and those may be the places that the Member is referring to. Hopefully, they are relatively isolated situations, but I will have our department look more closely, and perhaps consult with people in that area and try to find some of the problem spots. Generally, Mr. Speaker, it works well.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Supplementary to the Minister. The oil, the DL10, you are talking about, I understand that two Members of the engineering department went into Alberta two years ago to see how this chemical works, and my understanding is that you are supposed to work it quite a bit so that it will bind. I was wondering if the Minister could find these two engineers that he has in his department, and see if he could meet with his maintenance crew out in Hay River to see if they could do the job properly? Thank you.

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, we will endeavour to get more information on it and the Member is quite correct, that it does need some working on in certain conditions, with water, for example. If it rains too much, it creates a problem, but it requires some maintenance as well, it is not the final solution. We will review what studies have been done on the application, and get this information, so that we can better improve our highways.

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Question O809-12(2): Lack Of Contract Specifications

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister responsible for Education, Culture and Communications . Since the Minister of Government Services indicated that it is standard to have specifications prior to tenders being done, I had a concern expressed to me, Mr. Speaker, from a constituent in respect to a contracting tender which was awarded by Arctic College, Thebacha Campus. This tender was awarded back on September 18, 1991 when Thebacha Campus published an invitation to tender on a contact, to provide janitorial services "as and when" required.

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will get a copy of the tender document and let the Member know what is in there by giving her a copy.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, the Minister is aware of the concern that I have expressed because I have written to him, I think well over two weeks ago. I would like to ask, when will he be able to look into the tender procedure? I want to indicate to this House, that after this "as and when" contract was awarded, contracts for additional cleaning requirements at the campus were sole sourced to another firm. So, I would like to ask the Minister when will he be looking at this issue? Thank you.

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have looked into this. Arctic College checked with Government Services and Public Works to ensure that the firms had the necessary equipment for the job. The college was advised that only one local firm in Fort Smith, Ray's Steam Cleaning, had the necessary equipment to complete the job. With the established contract regulations used by the college, a sole source contract was awarded to Ray's Steam Cleaning, for the work in the amount of $4,100. The work was completed in mid-August.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you. Mr. Speaker, the college did not even take into consideration consulting with the "as and when" successful bidder to see if he had the proper equipment. They outright did a sole source contract with an existing firm. I would like to ask the Minister, does the Minister recognize that the unusual and inappropriate contracting procedures used in this case, has resulted basically in confusion to the successful bidder, and the risk of preferential treatment, which I believe is not proper contracting procedures? Thank you.

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Aivilik

Mr. Speaker, I am sorry, I did not get the last part of the question.

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Mrs. Marie-Jewell , would you re-state the question?

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, does the Minister recognize that the unusual and inappropriate contracting procedures used in this case, has resulted in confusion, and the risk of preferential treatment, particularly when there was a successful bidder to provide the service? Thank you.

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Mr. Speaker, no I have not, but I will certainly look into that, and act upon it. Thank you.

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Education . Education in Inuktitut and cultural affairs, presently is becoming more enforced, and is being enjoyed by both smaller and larger communities. It is enjoyed by both students and parents. Now, I have heard that the kindergarten levels being taught in Inuktitut, are usually examined to see if they can be elevated to the next grade, and I have been told that some of the Inuktitut examination is not thoroughly up to date. Does the Minister of Education know whether there are levels used for examining higher levels for examination in Inuktitut? Thank you.

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(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The curriculum there is taught in Inuktitut, in different cultural ways, in traditional languages, and that is why they do not have a standard procedure of examining levels of knowledge on how much they have learned. This is integrated individually by the school boards themselves, so it varies. Thank you.

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the M.L.A. and I can speak in private as to who is concerned here, and which of the employees are related to this matter. If there is that attitude within the school system, or any other attitudes such as that, there is potential for removing that person from employment. Thank you.

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Question O811-12(2): Use Of Funds Provided For Trout Lake Office Building

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of M.A.C.A., and perhaps D.P.W., and it has to do with Trout Lake. There is going to be a community office constructed at Trout Lake. There were some changes to the original plans, and now we are getting a large H.A.P. house, they call it, converted into offices. The community would like to know if, since the material is going to be coming in only on the winter road, could they use these funds to use local logs to build this office building?

That way, it would employ people in the community, as well as provide the type of building that they want to see in their community, rather than something that has been imposed upon them. They would like to use those funds. I was wondering, I do not know which Minister, M.A.C.A. or D.P.W., if they would consider such a change in the plans at this stage? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Department of Public Works, as a department of the government, is out to assist the communities, to try to build what they want to build, and make the best use out of the local resources. I would be quite willing to sit down with the Member, and have departmental people go in to Trout to meet with that community, and try to design and build what would best suit their needs.

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Mr. Speaker, thank you. My question is directed to the Minister of Education . I realize we have not gone to the educational budget, but there will be money allocated to boards using a separate formula financing. Now, we know that these funds are used for the teaching of curriculum, for providing curriculum, and for the staff that develop the curriculum. Will the government be providing the same amount of funding for each school year to the school boards? It is very important that this type of funding be continued. Perhaps the Minister of Education can answer this question, to see if this funding will be continued within this school year budget. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Mr. Arvaluk .

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am fully aware of what the M.L.A. is speaking about. It is a concern with different school boards as well, since they too have lost interest on the quarterly funding that was provided. The school boards are reviewing this with the territorial government, trying to find out how best they can resolve this, to come up with a solution, and once an agreement is reached, I will inform the M.L.A. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question O813-12(2): Review Of Hamlet Employee's Salaries

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs . The hamlet council has employees, different kinds, as we are all aware. The employees occasionally attend courses as their job requires, and they become more knowledgable in their field. I have been told that they do not often get raises as hamlet employees, and for what reason, perhaps because of a shortage of funding, or maybe because of lack of recognition by the hamlet. I am interested in finding out whether there can be some review as to M.A.C.A. employees, and whether they are actually being paid adequate salaries, according to abilities? Thank you.

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Mr. Allooloo .

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Regarding the hamlets, villages, cities, and towns, we do not impose upon them as to how much they should pay their employees. They are local governments within their communities. However, if the Member would like me to review his community municipal government, I can find out how much is being paid for secretaries, carpenters, and sewage and water truck deliveries. Thank you.

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and I thank the Minister for the response. In reviewing the duration of employment, as well as the salary being paid, can he also include the duration of the employee during his review? Thank you.

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I can look into the duration of employment for

each individual, and just to add, some of the hamlet employees belong to a union, while some do not. The union and municipal governments hold negotiations to determine the pay levels. These agreements become legal agreements, which we do not have authority over. Thank you.

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

(Translation) I am wondering is the Minister saying that if the municipalities and the employees who are part of the union, the Department of Community and Municipal Affairs has very little power to try and control the system within the municipalities, is that what the Minister is telling me? Thank you.

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That is true.

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Question O814-12(2): Amendments To Vital Statistics Act

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Justice . On February 21, 1992, I asked the former Minister of Justice a question about the fact that there are a number of people in the Northwest Territories who, because of delays in the custom adoption process, have been unable to obtain birth certificates. The former Minister stated that he would bring forward amendments to the Vital Statistics Act, as quickly as possible, to allow birth certificates to be granted, even before the formal processing of a custom adoption is finalized.

I noticed that there is no sign of any such amendments on the horizon. Can the current Minister of Justice indicate whether this delay is caused by the problems that his department has had, in completing the family law review project, which is supposed to be dealing with, among other things, the custom adoption process? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Mr. Kakfwi . Mr. Whitford .

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe that would come under the Vital Statistics

Section of Safety and Public Services. I did not get all of the question, Mr. Speaker, but I would like to hear the question again, or take it as notice, and deal with the Member to get the specifics of it.

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Whitford , you can do one or the other. Your choice.

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Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. You see how generous we are, you know we can give many options. I will take it as notice.

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Question O815-12(2): Stage Of Family Law Review

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. This again, I believe will be directed to the Minister of Justice . My question is, while I understand that there was a family law review, which I asked about in my former question. I am wondering at what stage is the family law review at? Thank you.

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Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the Family Law Review is very close to being complete. I understand, in response to the Member's questions, that there are recommendations that are contained within this document that when implemented will simplify this whole process, sort of right in hand with custom adoption.

There is a whole bureaucratic process that is very frustrating for communities, for Members, and for the different government departments. It is just about complete. In a matter of days, it will be handed to me.

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

From the review, I assume that there will be a report. I would like to know if the Minister will table the report when it has been completed? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, yes, the report will be tabled.

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Supplementary, Mr. Speaker. The other question is, whether the Minister anticipates that the report will be completed and tabled during this session? Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, if we can get the report printed in sufficient numbers, and translated in time, we will table it. Otherwise, we will make it available, informally, to the Members of the Legislature. Thank you.

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could I ask the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs to indicate to the Members of this House, if any financial resources were paid out for flood damage in the Mackenzie Delta?

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Mr. Speaker, I could provide that information. Thank you.

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could I also ask if the Minister could provide me with a copy of all the submissions made from Aklavik and Fort McPherson, for financial support as a result of flood damage?

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Titus Allooloo

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Yes, Mr. Speaker.

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Question O817-12(2): Negotiation Of Alternate Program For Northern Public Housing

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Page 980

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question would be for the Minister responsible for constitutional negotiations, Mr. Kakfwi . It is my understanding that under the new Constitution, should it be signed, that the responsibility for public housing currently held by C.M.H.C., will be transferred to provincial jurisdictions.

What steps, if any, has this government taken to ensure that we negotiate an alternative program for northern public housing?

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Michael Ballantyne

Madam Premier .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, the Constitution has not been ratified at this time. In our discussions at the federal level, it was very clear that the ongoing syndrome of off-loading was thoroughly discussed. The federal government is very aware, not only in the Northwest Territories, but also other jurisdictions are very concerned that in transferring, with the division of powers and taking over new responsibility in those negotiations when they go on, it is not an automatic assuming of responsibility, but one that each jurisdiction will be dealing with the federal government.

It has been made very clear by all jurisdictions, and particularly from the Northwest Territories' point of view, that we do not have the revenue and the options that the provincial jurisdictions have in terms of raising extra revenue. It is very clear that the division of power in taking over responsibility, is not of interest to the Northwest Territories, if the benefit is zero. Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

The time allotted for question period has lapsed. Item 6, written questions. Item 7, returns to written questions. Item 8, replies to opening address. We will take a short recess at this point. Thank you.

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