Budget, Oral Questions, Income Tax Act, Social Assistance Act — 31 March 1993 (12th Assembly, 3rd Session, pp. 1299–1351)
1993-03-31, 12th Assembly 3rd Session, pp. 1299–1351
Northwest Territories — Debates (Hansard)
Debates of March 31st, 1993
This is page numbers 1299 - 1351 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.
The word of the day was shall .
Topics
Members Present
Item 1: Prayer
Aboriginal Languages Day
Ocean Dumping Of Industrial Scrap
Report By Traditional Knowledge Working Group
1992 Master Plan For Corrections Service Division
Aboriginal Languages Day
Paying Tribute To John Kavik
Aboriginal Languages Day
Cbc Interview With Archaeologist Dr. Fitzhugh
Treatment Of Young Offenders At River Ridge Facility
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Cabinet Consideration For Gymnasium In Apex School
Status Of Master Plan For Corrections Division
Status Of Audit On Expo 1992
Modification Of Security At River Ridge
Additional Time Required For Implementation Of Public Accounts' Recommendation
Study On Performance Of Science Institute
Cabinet Shuffle After Budget Session
Services Received By People Working In The Nwt
Status Of Reply From Federal Government Re Dumping Scrap Metal Into Arctic Ocean
Funding For Keewatin Communities' Involvement In Saskatchewan Uranium Mine Hearings
Privatization Of NWT Power Corporation
Written Question 35-12(3): Contract For Revamping Of Public Health System
Written Question 36-12(3): Recommendations From The 1992 Master Plan For Corrections
Written Question 37-1(3): Option For The Implementation Of The Master Plan For Corrections
Committee Report 19-12(3): Report On The Revision Of The Rules
Item 12: Tabling Of Documents
Proposed Amendments To Maintenance Act And Domestic Relations Act Referred To The Standing Committee On Legislation
Development Of An Ongoing Program For Aids Prevention
Bill 25: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 1, 1993-94
Bill 27: Payroll Tax Act, 1993
Bill 26:
An Act To Amend The Income Tax Act, No. 2
Item 17: Second Reading Of Bills
Bill 25: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 1, 1993-94
Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Committee Report 17-12(3): Report On Television Guidelines
To Adopt Television Guidelines From Committee Report 17-12(3)
Bill 5:
An Act To Amend The Social Assistance Act
Bill 18:
An Act To Amend The Public Printing Act
Bill 19:
An Act To Amend The Student Financial Assistance Act
Bill 21:
An Act To Amend The Reciprocal Enforcement Of Judgments Act
Bill 22:
An Act To Amend The Mining Safety Act
Committee Report 15-12(3): Report On Tabled Document 33-12(3): Government Accountability: A Legislative Action Paper On Access To Government
To Adopt Recommendation 1
To Adopt Recommendation 1
To Adopt Recommendation 2
Item 19: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
Bill 17: Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1993-94
Bill 20: Loan Authorization Act, 1993-94
Bill 23: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 4, 1992-93
Bill 24: Write-off Of Debts Act, 1993
Assent To Bills
Item 21: Orders Of The Day
Members Present
Hon. Titus Allooloo , Mr. Antoine , Mr. Arngna'naaq , Mr. James Arvaluk , Hon. Michael Ballantyne , Hon. Nellie Cournoyea , Mr. Dent , Mr. Gargan , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Koe , Mr. Lewis , Mrs. Marie-Jewell , Hon. Rebecca Mike , Hon. Richard Nerysoo , Mr. Ningark , Mr. Patterson , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Mr. Pudluk , Hon. John Todd , Mr. Whitford , Mr. Zoe
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---Prayer
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Item 1: Prayer
Item 1: Prayer
Page 1299
The Speaker
Michael Ballantyne
Good afternoon. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Madam Premier .
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Minister's Statement 74-12(3): Aboriginal Languages Day
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 1299
Nellie Cournoyea
Nunakput
Mr. Speaker, at a meeting in 1989, the Assembly of First Nations expressed concern over the use and preservation of aboriginal languages in Canada and the need to entrench aboriginal language rights in the Canadian Constitution.
Every year since that meeting, March 31 has been celebrated as aboriginal languages day - a day that is set aside to recognize and appreciate the survival and richness of aboriginal languages. This is a celebration that receives the full support of the Government of the Northwest Territories and the people it represents.
This recognition is something that is not in place in other Canadian jurisdictions and today would be a good time to remind people throughout this country of the importance of promoting and preserving aboriginal languages.
The survival of aboriginal languages requires the support and encouragement of elders, parents, schools, communities and all levels of government. All of us share a responsibility for the future of our languages.
In conclusion, it is appropriate for all Members of the Legislative Assembly to recognize the important work and dedication displayed by the members of the language bureau who make it possible for this House to operate in all the official languages of the Northwest Territories. Thank you.
---Applause
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Minister's Statement 74-12(3): Aboriginal Languages Day
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 1299
The Speaker
Michael Ballantyne
Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Allooloo .
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Minister's Statement 75-12(3): Ocean Dumping Of Industrial Scrap
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 1299
Titus Allooloo
Amittuq
Mr. Speaker, on March 25 in Grise Fiord, a second public meeting was held to address concerns over ocean dumping of industrial scrap in Canada's Arctic region.
Our government and Inuit representatives recommended that PanArctic's permit be withheld until a thorough review of ocean dumping in the Arctic is done. They also recommended that as much material as possible be reused and a proper review of disposal options be undertaken.
These recommendations and others made during the meeting are being forwarded to the Honourable Jean Charest, the federal Minister of the Environment. I have written to Mr. Charest urging him to express support for the recommendations prior to April 15, when PanArctic's ocean dumping permit comes into effect. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Minister's Statement 75-12(3): Ocean Dumping Of Industrial Scrap
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 1299
The Speaker
Michael Ballantyne
Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Gargan .
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Report By Traditional Knowledge Working Group
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 1299
Samuel Gargan
Deh Cho
(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In the spring of 1991, a report was prepared by the traditional knowledge working group and subsequently tabled in this House. Mr. Speaker, I am appalled at the lack of action that has followed the transmission of this important report. This was a significant project in which many northern elders and community representatives devoted hours of work. The Dene Cultural Institute, the Metis Heritage Association, the Inuvialuit social development program, the Inuit Cultural Institute and other organizations were directly involved.
The report which came out of this exercise should have been seized by the government as a valuable blueprint for incorporating the traditional wisdom of our communities within
the government framework. Instead, it has sat on the shelf. There has been no meaningful response from this government. The report has been neglected and the importance of traditional knowledge has been treated lightly. Mr. Speaker, I find that to be shameful.
Mr. Speaker, my honourable colleagues for Inuvik and Keewatin Central raised this issue back in June, 1992. Each time, the Minister of the day has indicated that government bureaucrats are preparing a paper about the report for review by Cabinet. I have never understood why that is necessary. The report is well written and the working group's recommendations stand on their own merits. I have also not understood why it has taken the Cabinet two years to deal with the report.
Clearly, the process of incorporating aboriginal wisdom and traditional knowledge within the workings of public government do not seem to be a priority of this government. It should be a priority, Mr. Speaker. I intend to pursue this matter until I am satisfied that the appropriate level of attention has been paid to it. Mahsi.
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Report By Traditional Knowledge Working Group
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 1300
The Speaker
Michael Ballantyne
Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Koe .
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1992 Master Plan For Corrections Service Division
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 1300
Fred Koe
Inuvik
Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. On November 22, 1992, the Minister of Justice tabled Tabled Document 19-12(3), the 1992 Master Plan for Corrections Service Division. This report was prepared by a Vancouver consulting firm, the Apra Group Incorporated, in August, 1992. This report examines the existing system of corrections and justice in the Northwest Territories and goes on to list the number of needs apparent in that system. It then makes a number of recommendations. The report suggests two alternative service delivery models.
Model A advocates the retention of the existing institutional base system with a number of capital upgrading and expansion proposals. Model B advocates a community-based system with emphasis on alternatives of incarceration while also recommending capital upgrading and expansion of present facilities. The report also examines and compares the advantages and disadvantages of both models and recommends model B as the preferred option.
The report is scathing as to the inadequacies of the present system. The number of inmates is increasing beyond what anyone had anticipated and the existing facilities and corrections system must be vastly improved. The recommended model concentrates on community justice and open custody instead of institutionalization. It offers alternatives to incarceration using jail only in the most serious of cases. It advocates a holistic approach to treatment while offering more sentencing options.
Mr. Speaker, I support some of the recommendations of the report, especially references to strengthening and utilizing community justice committees and systems. For changes to be made and to become effective there must be commitments from the corrections and justice system, and corresponding commitments by communities and regional organizations to practice the method of community corrections.
Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to continue.
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1992 Master Plan For Corrections Service Division
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 1300
The Speaker
Michael Ballantyne
The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Koe .
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1992 Master Plan For Corrections Service Division
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 1300
Fred Koe
Inuvik
Mahsi. The one area which I have some difficulty with is the recommendation to upgrade and expand the existing facilities in Iqaluit, Hay River and Yellowknife. Mr. Speaker, my opinion is that new beds are required and that new facilities be built, and that these new facilities be located in regions in centrally located communities which do not have adequate institutions. For example, there are no institutions of these kinds in the Inuvik region, the Kitikmeot region and the Deh Cho area.
I fully support the intention to repatriate federal offenders back to the north and support the construction of new facilities to house these prisoners, but place them in communities which need economic boosts. Mahsi.
---Applause
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1992 Master Plan For Corrections Service Division
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 1300
The Speaker
Michael Ballantyne
Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Arngna'naaq .
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Aboriginal Languages Day
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 1300
Silas Arngna'naaq
Kivallivik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would also like to express my appreciation of the aboriginal languages day. The aboriginal languages which have been recognized as the official languages in the Northwest Territories are, indeed, numerous, but it shows the tolerance that we have for each other which has been passed on to us by our ancestors. They came before us, and they used and formed the languages which we speak of today. However, they have been formed over many centuries and they have always had much to do with the land and the surroundings in which they lived. Much like other cultures, their language increased with the amount of interaction with other peoples.
The language of Inuit varies from region to region and from community to community, in fact, it varies from country to country and it varies within the communities. For example, I speak a dialect with is very distinct from those in other communities. Even inside the community of Baker Lake there are four or five different dialects spoken. This is because the community is made up of people from the surrounding area, but it also has people who moved in during the 1960s. The people to the north, from the southeastern Kitikmeot area, form one dialect.
There are people from the south who come from the Paalirmuit area who form another dialect. There are those who originated in the Igloolik/Repulse Bay area who form another dialect. There are those who come from the Back River/Garry Lake area who speak another dialect.
Mr. Speaker, by tolerance the people who have varying languages are able to live together and form a very cohesive group. The people who I represent prove that. I have much respect for the people who work in this Assembly as interpreter/translators because I know we are not always the easiest people to work with because so often we want something done yesterday. Today, Mr. Speaker, I give my applause to them.
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Aboriginal Languages Day
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 1301
The Speaker
Michael Ballantyne
Thank you, Mr. Arngna'naaq . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Todd .
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Paying Tribute To John Kavik
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 1301
John Todd
Keewatin Central
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to pay tribute to one of the oldest elders in the Keewatin region, John Kavik, who died at the age of 97 last Saturday. Mr. Kavik was world famous because of his artistic abilities as a carver, and collectors from museums all over the world have many of his pieces.
I would like to extend my deepest sympathy to his family and in particular to the Udjuk and Twyee families who have been good friends of mine for the last 25 years. Thank you.
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Paying Tribute To John Kavik
Item 3: Members' Statements
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The Speaker
Michael Ballantyne
Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Arvaluk .
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Aboriginal Languages Day
Item 3: Members' Statements
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James Arvaluk
Aivilik
(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to make a short statement on national aboriginal languages day. First, I would like to thank the Assembly of First Nations for declaring this special day. I hope that all aboriginal people will join in celebrating this day.
We have much to celebrate. Our languages in the NWT are still alive and we still use them every day. Our government is the only legislature in North America which has given official status to aboriginal languages.
We can learn a great deal from the achievements of French people in the NWT and in Canada as a whole about language rights and how to fight for these rights.
Why do I care about my language, Inuktitut? I grew up speaking my language. All my cultural knowledge and language was taught to me in a traditional way. We live in a very cold climate, and by understanding my language I learn more about the climate. I am very happy today that I can speak Inuktitut and I can think better using my knowledge of Inuktitut. I can go out on the land and remember the stories I was told in my language as a child and I feel happy about those times. I do not think I could have learned all this traditional knowledge if I had not spoken Inuktitut.
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Aboriginal Languages Day
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The Speaker
Michael Ballantyne
Your time has elapsed, Mr. Arvaluk .
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James Arvaluk
Aivilik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.
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The Speaker
Michael Ballantyne
The Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Arvaluk .
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Aboriginal Languages Day
Item 3: Members' Statements
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James Arvaluk
Aivilik
I hope our government will continue to support aboriginal languages and I know I will do all I can to use it and teach it as often as possible. I also thank the Secretary of State for funding for aboriginal languages. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Item 3: Members' Statements
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The Speaker
Michael Ballantyne
Thank you, Mr. Arvaluk . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Pudlat .
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Aboriginal Languages Day
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Kenoayoak Pudlat
Baffin South
(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I also wish to recognize this special day for aboriginal languages. Mr. Speaker, first of all I have a short comment. When I was trying to get elected as an MLA, I stressed the fact that I would be pursuing aboriginal languages in the House and I am very proud to be able to speak in my first language. Recognizing all the interpreters here, who speak different languages, I am very proud to be one of them. I also celebrate this special day, being an aboriginal. I am very pleased, Mr.
Speaker, when I have to travel to other communities to attend meetings, there are always people who can speak my language and I can use my language through interpreters during these meetings.
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The Speaker
Michael Ballantyne
Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Antoine .
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Jim Antoine
Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation) I would like to speak on behalf of the aboriginal languages issue today. Today, whoever is speaking their own language, it is their day to celebrate. I do not think we should be thinking about our languages only today. I think we should be thinking about them every day. When I speak to elders, they say "Why do the younger people not speak aboriginal languages very well?" They do not speak to the elders, that is why. A few of the elders also express that they would like to speak to the young people, but they do not get a chance to do that. They have lived a long time.
were some young students, about 10 years old, who said they would like to speak Slavey, but they do not know how. They say they are taught the language in school, but they are limited. They express the fact that they should be taught more, and I agree. Today, when we speak aboriginal languages, it is recognized by the territorial government. There are many languages being interpreted for us today, and I feel thankful for people who are interpreting for me. Thank you.
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Aboriginal Languages Day
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The Speaker
Michael Ballantyne
Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Allooloo .
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Titus Allooloo
Amittuq
(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am happy that we have a special day for celebrating aboriginal languages. I know there are many people in the NWT who work very hard to preserve our languages and use them in schools, offices, homes and in the other communities. I would like to thank all these people for all the hard work they are doing. I also envy those people who speak the Dene languages. I want to thank my colleagues for supporting aboriginal languages in this Legislature. I think in all of North America, we are the only people who recognize aboriginal languages. (Translation ends)
I learned the languages from my parents, and from my brothers and sisters. I thank them for that. I will always remember what they have taught me and I am proud of it. I would urge all the people who are not able to speak Inuktitut, who are of Inuit descent, to learn the language. It is so rich, Mr. Speaker. When you lose your language, you lose part of your culture. When I speak my language, I know the right word to describe exactly what I mean. For example, if I say to an Inuktitut speaking person, "this is my cousin," that person knows exactly which part of my family he or she belongs to, whether it is my father's side or my mother's side, by saying one word.
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Aboriginal Languages Day
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The Speaker
Michael Ballantyne
Mr. Allooloo , your allotted time as elapsed. Thank you, Mr. Allooloo . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Ningark .
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Aboriginal Languages Day
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John Ningark
Natilikmiot
(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. When we ask questions, sometimes we ask them in our language. I do not always have much to say, however, I wanted to stand using my dialect in Natilikmiot. Being aboriginal languages day, I wish to express my appreciation to Natilikmiot people who have been preserving their dialect and their language. I appreciate those hard working people in the government and the government in Ottawa, as we try and preserve our native language. I appreciate the funding they give to us for preserving our language. MLAs appreciate this day, recognizing that it is an aboriginal languages day. Thank you very much, my colleagues, and Mr. Speaker.
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The Speaker
Michael Ballantyne
Thank you, Mr. Ningark . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Patterson .
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Cbc Interview With Archaeologist Dr. Fitzhugh
Item 3: Members' Statements
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Dennis Patterson
Iqaluit
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Cbc Interview With Archaeologist Dr. Fitzhugh
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The Speaker
Michael Ballantyne
Item 3, Members' statements. Mrs. Marie-Jewell .
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Treatment Of Young Offenders At River Ridge Facility
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 1302
Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Over the past few weeks I have frequently raised the issue of designation of the River Ridge facility in Fort Smith as an institution for the handling of young offenders sentenced to terms of open custody, as well as those young offenders sentenced to terms of closed or secure custody. Mr. Speaker, the Minister of Justice and I have engaged, at times, I believe to be a vigorous debate on this issue. However, Mr. Speaker, neither of us are lawyers. Unfortunately, the debate on this issue seems to have focused around legal
definitions, names of statutes and other technical legal issues.
Mr. Speaker, I find this unfortunate because it has obscured the real issue, which I suggest is, how will the staff and officials at the River Ridge facility treat a young offender, who is being sentenced to an institution for the first time for what may be a relatively minor offence, differently from a young offender who has repeatedly been in and out of institutions and has been convicted of a sufficiently serious crime to warrant the imposition by the courts of a term of secure custody. Mr. Speaker, the courts impose different types of custodial sentences for a reason.
I am not a legal expert but it seems to me that offenders sentenced to a different type of sentences should be treated differently.
The Young Offenders Act, under
section 24(1) recognizes the serious nature of secure custody by prohibiting the courts from imposing secure custody unless certain criteria are met. Given the planned designation of the River Ridge facility, as both open and secure custody, I want to be sure that the institution has developed a plan which will deal appropriately in keeping with the letter and the spirit of the Young Offenders Act, with these two different types of young offenders.
Mr. Speaker, I will continue to pursue the issue with the Minister and I sincerely hope we will be able to debate this issue on its merits and avoid getting tangled up in a debate over legal terminology. Thank you.
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Michael Ballantyne
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Nellie Cournoyea
Nunakput
Mr. Speaker, I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Dent on March 26, 1993, to the Honourable Don Morin , who is presently travelling, regarding the tendering practices of municipalities.
When the Department of Government Services and Public Works directly purchases mobile equipment for the hamlets, the department follows standard specifications, tenders the purchases and inspects the units to ensure they meet specifications.
In some cases, MACA has devolved the purchase of mobile equipment to the hamlets. In those cases, the department provides its standard specifications to MACA for use by the hamlet. The hamlets then tender the purchases, with the assistance of MACA staff, and carry out their own inspections. Government Services and Public Works does not conduct follow-up inspections, except when requested by MACA or a hamlet.
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Nellie Cournoyea
Nunakput
Mr. Speaker, I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Gargan on March 26, 1993, to the Honourable Don Morin , Minister of Government Services and Public Works , regarding lease arrangements for social worker on the Hay River Reserve.
The department has consulted with Dene Gha Holdings Corporation at the Hay River Reserve on this potential lease.
It is anticipated that the arrangements can be completed by May 1, 1993.
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Michael Ballantyne
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Dennis Patterson
Iqaluit
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am very grateful for the government's early commitment to rebuild the Apex school and also to renovate an existing building to serve as a temporary school. However, the people of Apex and the students at Nanook School were concerned to learn that the new school might not include a gym. Their old school had a gym. I would like to ask the Minister of Education , who I believe has heard their prayers and petitions, whether the Cabinet has had a chance to consider the issue of a gym for the Apex school. Thank you.
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Mr. Nerysoo .
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Richard Nerysoo
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am not sure if we have heard all their calls and all their pleas but we have heard the most important one and that is the request of the honourable Member and the request from the school board. My Cabinet colleagues have understood the need to respond as positively as we can. The Cabinet and Financial Management Board have approved the addition of a small gymnasium for the Apex school.
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Question 654-12(3): Status Of Master Plan For Corrections Division
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Fred Koe
Inuvik
Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Justice . Earlier in my Member's statement I referred to the tabled document related to the 1992 master plan for corrections. Can the Minister please advise us as to the status of this report?
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Mr. Speaker, the report has been reviewed by officials within the Department of Justice. They have given some consideration to the observations and
recommendations contained in the report. We will begin to develop a strategic plan which would embrace some of the recommendations contained within that report. I will ask for some advice on how to carry out a consultation process with the public as well. Thank you.
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Inuvik
Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. What time frame is the Minister looking at in developing a strategic plan?
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Sahtu
Mr. Speaker, I would hope that by the fall session of the Legislature we should have a strategic plan available for the Members which can be tabled and moved to committee of the whole, for discussion.
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Brian Lewis
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism . The Minister made a commitment to provide us with the audit on the 1992 exposition in Seville, before we go home at the end of this session. I would like to ask him what is the status of that audit?
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Michael Ballantyne
Mr. Pollard .
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Hay River
Mr. Speaker, I will be tabling those documents today. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Question 656-12(3): Modification Of Security At River Ridge
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Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Justice . The Minister of Justice has indicated that the River Ridge facility for young offenders located in Fort Smith has been designated as a triple designation facility. Mr. Speaker, the Young Offenders Act states no young person shall be committed to secure custody unless certain specified criteria are met. For example, the offence is one for which an adult could receive a jail sentence for greater than five years.
Given that the act makes a clear distinction between the two types of offenders, can the Minister advise me as to what steps have been taken to date to review or modify current security procedures so as to allow the institution to handle both types of offenders? Thank you.
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Michael Ballantyne
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Mr. Speaker, the staff at River Ridge when initially informed of this triple designation had expressed some concern about this initiative. We have since sent some of the staff from River Ridge to a facility in Alberta to have them see first hand how similar facilities operate with the same type of demands. It is interesting to note the staff have come back from the visit with a much better idea of how they can provide young offenders in an open custody setting with effective programs that reflect the nature of their needs. The staff are of the view that they can take on this challenge. In fact, they have said so.
They feel, because of the visit, they have a better understanding of the type of programming and needs of young offenders sentenced to open custody. They believe they are now in a position to alleviate the fears of the rest of the staff at River Ridge about this change. The senior people who travelled to the facility in Alberta have all concluded that the difference between open and secure custody in the same facility can in many ways be subtle and definitely manageable by a staff, such as the staff in River Ridge.
They have said, at least many of them, they view this change as a challenge and look forward to working with all young offenders in the future.
I think the point of it, aside from all the detail which I thought the Member was indicating she was going to avoid since she recognized neither of us are lawyers, is the main difference between secure custody young offenders and open custody in the area of programming and the level of supervision and security which is provided to the closed custody young offenders, and the increased training that the staff who are responsible for closed custody young offenders require.
As I have said earlier in this House, we felt because of the increased training which River Ridge staff have, it is not a great demand to ask them to broaden their base of experience and to use their expertise to also take on the responsibility of taking care of young offenders. It is my understanding that, in fact, while they are going to take on mostly young offenders as of a week or so from now, it has been the staff of River Ridge who have requested to keep at least two young offenders who were sentenced to secure custody.
I think in their view they can do the job which is required of them, meet all the legal requirements stipulated by legislation and still meet the interests of the young offenders. I think there is definitely some movement towards seeing this as a challenge, something which is definitely manageable and one that is going to be in the interest of the young offenders, the government and the staff at River Ridge.
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Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Besides sending the staff out to another institution, I would like to ask the Minister again, what steps have been taken, to date, to review or modify current security procedures to allow the institution to handle both types of offenders? What procedures and steps have been taken? Thank you.
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Mr. Speaker, the operating procedures of a number of facilities in Alberta and Ontario, as well as policies for open custody facilities in the Northwest Territories, have been sent to the manager of River Ridge for reference to make the adjustment from secure programming to open. It should be recognized all the programming is done in the facilities, such as the young offenders' facilities, operate on a program that is done on a case by case basis. Each individual young offender has developed an individualized program, since the needs of each young offender is different. This is recognized.
Some of the things that will be done, of course, are all of the cell doors at River Ridge will remain unlocked and the young offenders will have more movement and less supervision within the facility. There will still be some restricted areas which will be out of bounds to the young offenders, such as offices and staff rooms.
There will be more community involvement which will take place with less supervision, with more temporary releases for such things as attending the local school, Arctic College, or work release programs and community work. Those who cannot attend local schools because of special needs or short sentences will be able to attend classes within the facility. The manager will also make sure there is increased access to recreation. They will have increased access to facilities such as gymnasiums and will have easier or more access to local festivities such as the spring carnival.
Young offenders in open custody will also have more access to on the land programs because the security procedures are less stringent, as you know. On the land programs for secure custody young offenders are difficult because of the higher level of supervision and security required. This makes is difficult for on the land projects. So, presently, the operation procedures in River Ridge are being rewritten by the staff to accommodate the change.
There are ongoing staff meetings taking place, the director of corrections has travelled again down to Fort Smith today to make sure that the staff are given adequate support and leeway to have as much involvement as possible in the transfer process.
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Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I guess that is my concern. As the Minister indicated, there are cell doors in the River Ridge facility and they will remain unlocked, but the cell concept is still there for young offenders who are sentenced to open custody. It really bothers me to think a young offender would be in that type of environment. Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister with regard to the
section of the Young Offenders Act that specifically prohibits the transfer of young offenders who have been committed to open custody to a place of closed custody. Can the Minister indicate, to the House, what specific plans have been adopted by the department to ensure the intent of this particular
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Mr. Speaker, River Ridge is a new facility. In the opinion of many people who have toured it, it looks like a miniature, modernized Alcatraz. It is a very secure, perhaps overly secure, facility. I say that because both the federal legislation which governs incarceration of adults and especially young offenders, both the federal Young Offenders Act and the territorial Young Offenders Act, states as one of their up-front principles, that the least amount of restriction should be exercised on each young offender, keeping in mind the safety for the public and the person themselves.
You do not go on the principle that you have to lock all the doors three times and bar all the windows. You go on the principle that less is better. You do the minimum to restrict the movement and the freedom of these people who are sentenced. When you look at River Ridge as a facility, it is new, it has very secure cell doors, but these rooms are private rooms. There is one bed in each little room.
My own perception, and the perception of other people I have talked to, is who should have private rooms? Should it be children who are sentenced to secure custody, or less serious offenders, such as young offenders who are sentenced to open custody? We take the view, perhaps, those in open custody would appreciate having their own room and this is what River Ridge is providing. It is not a leading factor, but I raise it because many Members may not be aware of the physical outline of the facility. In Hay River at the secure facility, it is a dormitory and there are a number of beds in each room.
The light in the facilities is also very different. In the River Ridge facility there is much more daylight and natural light coming in, it has a high ceiling in the main living quarters plus a great panoramic view from the end of the building. With some subtle changes, I think the facility can be made to feel much more homey and open. The fact that doors will not be locked is going to make a tremendous change, Mr. Speaker.
I have been through the facility, and I must admit, it is incredibly claustrophobic for someone like myself. I have been through many institutions over the years, all through my own choosing mostly.
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There is a view, again I bring to the Member's attention, River Ridge is not going to stay only as a facility for young offenders sentenced to open custody. It is triple designated. We are taking this measure because we need the space and this is the best utilization of the space at this time, and it gives us the flexibility we need. As I said earlier, if we do not take this course of action it would have meant opening another facility for well in excess of $300,000 to meet the demands we have.
I must say while I appreciate the anxiety of the River Ridge staff when this was first announced, I can also tell you I appreciate the attitude they have taken to it and the statement which at least one of them has made is that they feel they can do the job and rise to the challenge this government has called on
them to face. I think it will be very workable. There is no difficulty in meeting the spirit and intent of the legislation which the Member referred to. Thank you.
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Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thebacha
Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask a final supplementary to the Minister. The Minister went basically all around my question and I listened, with interest, to see if I would get an answer and I did not get an answer so I find that I am in a position to ask this again. I would like to ask the Minister, can he indicate what specific plans have been adopted by the department to ensure the intent of the
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I have said a number of times, when a question is posed to a Minister the Minister is not compelled under our rules to answer that question. I will put the question to the Minister, Mr. Kakfwi .
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Stephen Kakfwi
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Mr. Speaker, the Department of Justice does not go out with a plan on breaching any legislation. The government, the Department of Justice and corrections are all expected to and it is their work to ensure they operate within the full parameters of the law and prevailing legislation which governs the work. I did not answer the question because I am not sure if it is a proper question to ask. We do not go out to try to breach legislation and try to find ways to skim the purpose of carrying out work which is not legal and not within the parameters of legislation.
The Department of Justice and corrections assures me that what they are doing is fully within legislation and it meets the spirit and intent of all legislation. I do not need to develop a strategy which would get me to be convinced of that. I believe the staff and that is what they have said. Thank you.
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Henry Zoe
North Slave
Thank you. My question is directed to my friend from that side of the House, the Minister of Finance . Mr. Speaker, the Minister on a number of occasions repeatedly promised to have the Standing Committee on Public Accounts' recommendation pertaining to the roles and responsibilities of the deputy minister of Finance and Comptroller General implemented by the end of the 1992-93 fiscal year. Mr. Speaker, he has indicated on a number of occasions that it was going to be met on that particular date. It has been over nine months now, Mr.
Speaker, and I was just reading yesterday's Hansard and my colleague for Natilikmiot raised that same issue. Now, the government is requiring more time to implement our recommendation. I would like to ask the Minister, could he provide us with rationale why more time is required after he made a promise that it would be implemented by the end of this fiscal year?
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John Pollard
Hay River
Mr. Speaker, it has taken longer than we anticipated. I think it is going to take another two weeks because it involves some of the other departments. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Henry Zoe
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Mr. Speaker, currently these two positions are within one specific department. I do not understand what the Minister is saying with regard to it affecting other departments. Could he explain what he means by it affecting other departments, in what manner?
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Mr. Speaker, dealing with the problem which the Member raises would have been a piecemeal approach to some of the other problems which we see need addressing in the Department of Finance and other departments. It was decided to encompass all the changes at the same time, Mr. Speaker. That is how it involves other departments. Thank you.
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Henry Zoe
North Slave
Supplementary, Mr. Speaker. Is the Minister suggesting that the other organizational changes within the department have to be completed before he implements what our committee recommended? If that is the case, Mr. Speaker, I do not think it affects the overall organization of the department so I cannot see why they cannot go ahead with implementing what our committee recommended rather than waiting until everything else is reorganized. I do not understand the rationale. Maybe he can explain it better.
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Mr. Speaker, there were some changes we felt needed to be done. So, addressing the changes we felt were required along with the changes suggested by the Auditor General's report made it a larger
task. As I said, Mr. Speaker, we are only a couple of weeks behind with it. It is better to do one job and do it properly than to do it piecemeal. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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In relation to the same question raised, Mr. Speaker, I wonder if the Minister can give the House assurance that this recommendation which our committee made is definitely going to take place in two weeks? I wonder if he can make a commitment to correspond with the Standing Committee on Public Accounts with regard to this. Thank you.
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That is two questions. Mr. Zoe , would you like to ask one question, please? Mr. Zoe . You asked two questions. Would you like to ask one?
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I tried but he caught me. I wonder if the Minister can correspond to the chairman of the Standing Committee on Public Accounts as soon as he implements the implementation of the public account? Thank you.
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Brian Lewis
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment Programs, and the Science Institute. Since the decision was made to reorganize the Science Institute and to make it into something different than what it was, could the Minister tell me if a study was done on the institute to see whether it was performing the job which it was asked to do?
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Richard Nerysoo
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to make some clarifications to the remarks the honourable Member has made. Firstly, to correct the record, a decision has already been made to move the Science Institute and the staff to the regions. That decision has been made. The whole matter of re-assessing the relationship of the Science Institute and Arctic College in terms of research, program delivery and reorganized administration is the result of a suggestion and recommendation of myself since I became the Minister.
There has been some concern expressed by the chairman of the Science Institute board about the matter of disseminating and decentralizing the Science Institute as it now exists. If the organization is disseminated, what would be the results in terms of administration? Obviously, we would have to look at administrative services, either in one location, three locations or two locations. That was not clear in the decision.
Secondly, the matter of a study of whether they were performing the duties, that was to be part of the review. If the honourable Member is not aware, I asked Arctic College, the Department of Education, Culture and Employment Programs and the Science Institute to sit down on a working committee to come up with a solution.
Since the board has met, some two weeks ago, they have indicated that they do not want to work to re-assess the working of the Science Institute, the relationship they could have with Arctic College or the future relationship that they would have in the Northwest Territories to other organizations. The Science Institute board and the staff are the ones who have refused to sit down to assess the workings of their own organization and the relationship they might have to any other organization in the future.
That is, in fact, the way the whole thing is borne out. I have still asked Arctic College and the department to pursue what might be options.
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I will re-phrase my original question. In the proposals for giving the Science Institute a new kind of mandate, does this mean that the mandate which the Science Institute has now will not be the same as the mandate it will have when it is amalgamated, affiliated or joined with the Arctic College system?
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Mr. Speaker, so as to be very clear to the honourable Member, the whole nature of the working group was to look into the relationship. The Science Institute board and the staff do not want to participate on that particular working committee. It is very hard to suggest to the honourable Member that this Science Institute board and this Science Institute staff are prepared to even consider the options. Arctic College staff and the staff of the Department of Education, Culture and Employment Programs are the ones who want to review this whole thing.
It may be that the restructuring completely retains the structure the way it is. What is clear, from my perspective, is there is a need for Arctic College to consider the relationship it would have with the Science Institute in the development of new science technology programs and improving the ability of Arctic College in the area of research for the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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I appreciate that there are all kinds of different opinions. The board obviously has one significant opinion. The most significant opinion is the opinion of the Minister who may have the responsibility. Does the Minister intend to give the Science Institute a new mandate to do different work, something different to what it does right now?
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Mackenzie Delta
Mr. Speaker, again, very clearly I do not know what mandate they should have. That is the nature of the review which was to take place. If I am going to ask Arctic College to assume responsibility in the area of research and science technology programming, then my question is, what is the role of the Science Institute of the Northwest Territories? It is important that we try to figure out the relationship. If we do not figure out that relationship then what is the nature of two colleges in the Northwest Territories, two Science Institutes of the Northwest Territories with no relationship at all?
Even the Special Committee on Education in 1981 came back with a recommendation of, in fact, trying to put together that relationship. It is only now occurring, some 12 years later. We are trying to respond to an initiative and, in fact, a recommendation that was made.
I think there is a change in the relationship. The honourable Member should realize the Science Institute only advises on matters of research. They do not, and have not, participated in actual research. They have contracted other organizations to do the research work. It is my view that surely we can recognize the need to utilize the institutions of the Northwest Territories to assume responsibility in that area. I do not know in the end what the solution is going to be. That is why I have asked this working group to sit down and advise me. I need the advice of people who have the expertise in this area. They have, in fact, refused to participate in advising me.
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Mr. Speaker, a significant party to the solution of this problem does not want to participate. How does he propose to resolve the issue?
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Mr. Speaker, I will re-assess the situation and appropriately deal with those individuals who are not involved in participating in the review process. I can only try to encourage the individuals. What the Member has to understand is that the Science Institute board has even made a decision that they want to incorporate themselves as an independent body of government. They have undertaken a process, of which I was not involved nor consulted, particularly since this government spends a great deal of money on setting up the board, to incorporate themselves as an independent body with no relationship whatsoever to this Assembly and basically to this government.
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Dennis Patterson
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Government Leader . Mr. Speaker, we know that the present Cabinet has been fortified and rejuvenated with new blood in recent months and new Members, who appear to have been assigned to fill the vacancies which arose, perhaps not so much according to their particular skills and experience, in looking at the total group. It has been a tradition in recent years for Cabinet shuffles to be considered immediately after a budget session. So, my question to the Government Leader is, Mr. Speaker, now that the budget session is almost over, is she considering shuffling her Cabinet? Thank you.
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Mr. Speaker, I will take that as notice. Thank you.
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Dennis Patterson
Iqaluit
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Question 660-12(3): Services Received By People Working In The Nwt
Item 5: Oral Questions
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Brian Lewis
Yellowknife Centre
My question, Mr. Speaker, is to the Minister of Finance regarding the insidious payroll tax. Since this tax was designed, at least the main spirit of it, to tax between and 4,000 and 5,000 non-unionized workers that fly in and out, what services do these people get from the Government of the Northwest Territories?
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John Pollard
Hay River
Mr. Speaker, the tax system is not necessarily based on what you receive, it is collective of people who recognize that governments have to operate, programs have to be delivered and the taxation system does not normally respect any particular group or individual for any particular purpose, Mr. Speaker. The mere fact that people are working in the Northwest Territories displacing someone else from the Northwest Territories from earning that pay cheque, in my opinion, would be good enough reason. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Brian Lewis
Yellowknife Centre
What evidence does the Minister have that these 4,000 people are replacing willing workers to take their jobs in the Northwest Territories?
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John Pollard
Hay River
Mr. Speaker, you do not have to be a rocket scientist to go around the communities and see the high rate of unemployment. There is a willingness among the young people to work. Mr. Speaker, for example, when Colomac Mines was operating, people from the Dogrib communities went in there and did the job just fine, Mr. Speaker.
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John Pollard
Hay River
Mr. Speaker, I have made the offer to companies across the Northwest Territories, on a number of occasions, if they cannot hire people in the Northwest Territories because there is a lack of training, that is our problem. They should bring that problem to us and we will address it through Education or some other training program to make sure our workers are capable of doing that job. I think that many times there are opportunities for companies to hire in the Northwest Territories and it is just easier to go somewhere else, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.
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Item 5: Oral Questions
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Brian Lewis
Yellowknife Centre
The Minister will confirm then that the fly-in and fly-out workers get no service whatsoever from this government. In other words, simply by being here for the months they are, they do not qualify for any service we have.
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John Pollard
Hay River
Mr. Speaker, on the contrary. When people are here from different provinces, they are treated at the hospital if they are injured or ill, people have to pay into workers' compensation, therefore if they are injured in the Northwest Territories on the job and are covered by workers' compensation in the NWT, there is another cost to us. Mr. Speaker, there are all kinds of unseen items that people receive. Just maintaining the airport that the plane lands on belongs to the Department of Transportation. There is maintenance of airport buildings when they go into an airport building.
There are a number of services, and I do not know all of them, Mr. Speaker, but when you are up here and you are participating in the economy and working in a mine, there is a cost to us of inspecting that particular mine. When you are here, you cannot help but somehow get some benefit from living and working in the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Question 661-12(3): Status Of Reply From Federal Government Re Dumping Scrap Metal Into Arctic Ocean
Item 5: Oral Questions
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Ludy Pudluk
High Arctic
(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As the environment Minister stated earlier, I am very thankful that he is cooperating with them. I am glad they do not want the dumping of scrap metal in the Arctic Ocean. He stated earlier that he would be writing to the Minister of the Environment and I would like him to support the Inuit. Does he know when he will receive a reply to his letter, whether PanArctic will be given a yes or a no? When does he expect to get a reply? Thank you.
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Michael Ballantyne
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Titus Allooloo
Amittuq
(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The community representatives, ICC and the Government of the Northwest Territories have stated they wanted to receive a reply before April 15.
Mr. Speaker, the community representatives have recommended the dumping permit be with held for one year until a proper review of disposal options is undertaken, that the federal government assist PanArctic to clean up the site, that studies be conducted on the long-term effects of ocean dumping, that a moratorium be put in place until the studies are done. They should also try to find out whether they can reuse the scrap metal and leave the remainder on the land for the time being. It was further recommended that industry and government post abandonment and restoration bonds to ensure the clean up is done.
The Government of the Northwest Territories has given a statement they do not want any dumping of scrap metal in the Arctic Ocean. It should be returned to the south. If this is not possible then disposal on the land should be considered.
I do not think this should only be dealt with in Canada. They should create a law which can be followed internationally. Thank you.
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Michael Ballantyne
Mr. Arngna'naaq .
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Question 662-12(3): Funding For Keewatin Communities' Involvement In Saskatchewan Uranium Mine Hearings
Item 5: Oral Questions
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Silas Arngna'naaq
Kivallivik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I asked a question last week regarding the FEARO hearings in northern Saskatchewan. The response I received from the Minister of Renewable Resources was that the government will be indirectly involved. I would like to ask the Minister if the government would be able to make resources available to the communities in the Keewatin, for those communities to be involved in those hearings. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Titus Allooloo
Amittuq
(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. First of all, the people who are holding the hearings with regard to uranium mining want to hold those hearings in parts of Saskatchewan. We will keep in touch with them. We are going to ask them if they can hold hearings in the Northwest Territories with regard to uranium mining, and whether intervenor funding is available. We will be asking the people whether funding can be available to be used by the Keewatin. The Department of Renewable Resources will try to provide support to them but they have not allocated any funding as of today. If they ask us whether they need funding we will try to find out whether we can provide the funding or not.
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Silas Arngna'naaq
Kivallivik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. From what the Minister has said, he has indicated they are going to make a request to the chairpersons of the hearings to hold hearings in the Northwest Territories. From other proponents who are involved in these hearings, they have indicated the federal government does not have the funds to hold any other hearings outside of the communities they have identified. I would like to know if the government would make resources available, either to the panel or to the communities in the Keewatin to be involved in the hearings.
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Titus Allooloo
Amittuq
(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I have stated earlier, the Department of Renewable Resources does not have any funding available for the purpose of these hearings. If the communities ask us for funding or support, for example in Quebec when they were holding an environmental review panel, for environmental hearings, we only fund when the communities ask us. If they want funding for them to attend meetings, we are able to provide funding for them. Thank you.
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Question 663-12(3): Privatization Of NWT Power Corporation
Item 5: Oral Questions
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Tony Whitford
Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was going through the interesting announcement which the Government Leader had made yesterday concerning the potential opportunity for the sale of the Power Corporation. The one question which came out of this, and I have asked it subsequent to the announcement, was why? When we took over the Power Corporation in 1988, only four or five short years ago, NCPC was in a tremendous amount of debt.
Through good corporate management and excellent work they have managed to pull themselves out of debt and be very responsive to community needs and the needs of northern people when it comes to this service. When it is making money and has a potential to continue to make money, why are we thinking of divesting ourselves from an economic opportunity that can continue to put money into our treasury?
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Michael Ballantyne
Madam Premier .
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Nellie Cournoyea
Nunakput
Mr. Speaker, that was part of the commitment we made when we took over the Power Corporation and the condition of sale from the federal government, that we would come up with a privatization plan that could be considered. Thank you.
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Michael Ballantyne
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Written Question 35-12(3): Contract For Revamping Of Public Health System
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Fred Koe
Inuvik