Debates of Feb. 24th, 1998

This is page numbers 1041 - 1091 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairperson .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Nunavut Caucus Action Plan

Payment For Movement Of Graves In Hall Beach

Nunavut Caucus Action Plan - Creating Nunavut

Business Credit Corporation Board Meeting

Housing Corporation Plan 2000

Federal Budget Day

Tourism Advertising And Marketing

Transfer Of Yellowknife Liquor Warehouse

Pastoral Visits At Stanton Regional Hospital

Transfer Of Yellowknife Liquor Warehouse

Payment For Movement Of Hall Beach Graves

Hay Job Evaluation System

Support For The Tourism Industry

Arctic Bay Sewage Lagoon Project

Tourism Coordination Strategy

Contribution To The City Of Yellowknife

Presentation To United Nations Rapporteur

Contribution To The City Of Yellowknife

Arena Opening In Hall Beach

Amending The Workers' Compensation Act

Disposal Of GNWT Warehouse

Detail Of Contributions To Rankin Inlet

Aurora Fund Management Guidelines

Tabled Document 57-13(5): Recruitment And Retention Of Health And Social Service Professionals - A Plan To Address Critical Needs

Tabled Document 58-13(5): Creating Nunavut - The Nunavut Caucus Action Plan

Resolution Of Pay Equity Issue In The Nwt

Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

To Establish Guidelines And Standards For The Operation Of All NWT Health Boards

To Identify The Amount Of Federal Funding For Western NWT Aboriginal Health Care

To Establish A Child Advocate In The NWT Before Division

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 21: Third Reading Of Bills

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas, Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Honourable Don Morin , Honourable Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable Manitok Thompson , Honourable John Todd .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 1041

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. O'Brien . Good morning. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Minister's Statement 74-13(5): Nunavut Caucus Action Plan

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as we all know and have said many times, April 1, 1999 is fast approaching. To successfully establish the new Nunavut government a lot of work needs to be done, by many people, at many levels. The Nunavut Caucus has an important role to play in creating a viable Nunavut government and we will continue to ensure the process occurs as smoothly as possible.

Nunavut Caucus Members have been elected by the people of Nunavut and will continue to work hard on their behalf and represent their interests. Caucus has shown strong political leadership on Nunavut issues, such as encouraging, organizing and guiding Nunavut Leaders meetings. These meetings have created a successful forum for key political representatives from all parties to work together in creating Nunavut. In January of this year, the Nunavut Caucus was well represented at the Nunavut Leader's Summit held in Iqaluit. We were successful at encouraging the parties to move ahead on critical issues affecting the establishment of the Nunavut government. (Translation ends)

We are working hand in hand with our colleagues in the western Caucus to ensure that the working partnership achieved in the division process is maintained and carried forward beyond 1999, to the benefit of all northern residents, east and west. The Nunavut Caucus and the GNWT have developed a close working relationship with the office of the Interim Commissioner, Nunavut Tunngavik Incorporated, the Nunavut Implementation Commission and the federal government.

Mr. Speaker, to assist in the planning process, the Nunavut Caucus has developed the Nunavut Caucus Action Plan - Creating Nunavut which identifies implementation issues that we feel must be pursued to help make Nunavut a success. First of all, the open communication among all partners has to be maintained so that issues are resolved openly and quickly.

The first Nunavut election will be held in February, 1999. To ensure that the maximum number of Nunavut residents participate, the Caucus is actively involved in the election process. As Nunavut Act amendments are made, we will be working with GNWT Legislative staff to ensure that election preparations are on track and that the people of Nunavut receive timely and accurate information on the election process.

The Nunavut Caucus supports the decentralized model of government design and will be working with all partners to ensure that plans and implementation schedules are kept. The Caucus promotes an orderly and logical process for the establishment of the Nunavut government. A well planned and phased in approach to new government structures will assure a smooth continuation of government services.

Along with the important issue of government design, retaining a strong financial base for both new territories is critical in providing good government. The Nunavut Caucus will continue to do all it can to ensure that the fiscal needs of the future territory of Nunavut are addressed in the establishment of a new formula financing arrangement for Nunavut.

Another funding issue that the Caucus is monitoring is transitional funding, a federal responsibility. Adequate transitional funding will be vital during the first few years of the new government's decentralization activity. The new Nunavut government cannot expect to embark on a plan of action without having resolved the costs of transitional activities.

(Translation) Mr. Speaker, the training of Nunavut residents for Nunavut government jobs is proceeding well. Training is a key component to establishing a representative public service in Nunavut, therefore, the Nunavut Caucus will continue to work closely with the parties to ensure that the successes achieved in training to date are maintained and hopefully exceeded.

This action plan as tabled, provides an agenda for the activities of the Caucus as we quickly advance toward April 1, 1999. As I have emphasized, there is much work to do. The Nunavut Caucus is willing and able to play an important role in supporting my work as Minister responsible for Nunavut Transition Planning. The Caucus will continue to work with all of our partners to create a new government for the people of Nunavut. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 74-13(5): Nunavut Caucus Action Plan

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Member's Statement 313-13(5): Payment For Movement Of Graves In Hall Beach

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to speak about my concern regarding an issue I have brought up on two occasions. In March, 1997, I questioned the Minister of MACA about the four men who moved 30 graves in Hall Beach. I brought up the issue again on the February 2nd of this year, but in my understanding is this is not a responsibility of MACA. Hall Beach workers did this work in the summer of 1968 but they did not get paid for that tedious task.

The excavation of bodies is not a duty that should go unpaid and there were 30 of these bodies moved. This task is not something that the average person would want to do. These men helped out the community when they were needed and yet they still were unpaid for their hard work.

Mr. Speaker, I will be directing my questions to the Premier at the appropriate time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Member's Statement 313-13(5): Payment For Movement Of Graves In Hall Beach

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Barnabas .

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Member's Statement 314-13(5): Nunavut Caucus Action Plan - Creating Nunavut

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to rise today to talk about the continuing role the Nunavut Caucus will play in the creation of Nunavut. As Members know, we are only a short time away from April 1, 1999 and much remains to be done. Mr. Speaker, as Members of this Assembly, we must do all that we can to make the transition process as smooth as possible.

As the Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Minister responsible for Nunavut transition has said, it is very important that the Nunavut Caucus continues to work in close cooperation with the western Caucus, maintaining an open dialogue on matters dealing with the creation of two new territories. Not only will this help the process of division, but it will also ensure future relations between the two territories are strong and harmonious.

Mr. Speaker, the Nunavut Caucus Action Plan Creating Nunavut, which I will table later today, outlines many issues related to the implementation of a new Nunavut government and that Nunavut Caucus feels is very important in ensuring the smooth transition to the two new territories. Members of the Nunavut Caucus are focused on implementing the new Nunavut government. The Nunavut Caucus will continue to work in a cooperative way in addressing the issues. We want to play a supportive and productive role with all the parties involved in the process.

As elected Members of this Assembly, the Nunavut Caucus will work very hard to ensure that creation of two territories does not affect the level of government programs and services for Nunavut residents. We remain committed to maintaining and improving the quality of life for the people of Nunavut.

Mr. Speaker, the Nunavut Caucus will continue to support the efforts of the Minister responsible for the Nunavut Transition in promoting the creation of a new Nunavut government. I am confident that in working with our partners, the western Caucus, the office of the Interim Commissioner, Nunavut Tunngavik Incorporated, the federal government and the Nunavut Implementation Commission, a Nunavut government will be created that the people of Nunavut can be proud of. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause.

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Member's Statement 314-13(5): Nunavut Caucus Action Plan - Creating Nunavut

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Barnabas . Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Member's Statement 315-13(5): Business Credit Corporation Board Meeting

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, last night I returned home to Fort Smith to attend the open house of the Business Credit Corporation. The board chose very wisely, to go out to the region and communities to hold meetings. They chose Fort Smith. From what I heard, the discussion last night was a very beneficial exercise, where the board got to meet business people and vice versa, hear and exchange views and concerns about business issues and how the BCC operates.

--Applause.

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Member's Statement 315-13(5): Business Credit Corporation Board Meeting

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1042

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Member's Statement 316-13(5): Housing Corporation Plan 2000

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to talk about Plan 2000, the NWT Housing Corporation's plan to build 2000 homes. Mr. Speaker, I agree with the basic principles behind this initiative to get those who can afford to maintain their own homes into homes of their own. However, Mr. Speaker, it is important to note that while this program does exactly that, gets people who can afford to maintain their own homes into a

home, this program does not impact or free up social housing to the extent that Members may believe.

I would like to take a moment to site some statistics on the Down Payment Assistance Program and the extent of the Down Payment Assistance Program. Of the 397 units that have been built so far under Plan 2000, only 158 have been for clients who have moved out of social housing. This translates into only 40 percent. Some regions, such as the North Slave, have built 93 percent of the units for people presently occupying social housing, freeing up 27 public housing units. Other regions, such as the Baffin and Keewatin, are around 35 percent, which translates into 52 freed up social housing units in the Baffin and 23 social housing units in the Keewatin.

Plan 2000 is a good program and is meeting its stated goals. I would however, Mr. Speaker, wish to encourage the NWT Housing Corporation to make sure as many of the families as possible accessing this program, are in fact, people presently residing in social housing. We must also, Mr. Speaker, make sure that the federal government does not abdicate its responsibility to the people of the Northwest Territories. We must impress upon the federal government that any successes resulting from Plan 2000, will not significantly diminish the ongoing need for social housing units.

The Northwest Territories has a young population, limited economic opportunities and a social safety net stretched to its breaking point.

We must ensure that young people of the Northwest Territories have access to adequate, affordable housing. It is only by increasing the total available number of social housing units that we can address the serious social conditions that exist in some of our smaller communities and improve the health and well-being of our citizens. Thank you.

--Applause.

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Member's Statement 316-13(5): Housing Corporation Plan 2000

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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Member's Statement 317-13(5): Federal Budget Day

Item 3: Members' Statements

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today, as the entire country knows it, is budget day for the liberals in Ottawa. There has been speculation that our federal government will have a balanced budget, with a possible surplus. This is, indeed, good news for us all. I would like to congratulate the Honourable Paul Martin for his guidance in achieving this. Over the past number of years, Canadians have suffered from budget cuts and belt tightening that most jurisdictions across our country have experienced and hopefully, this budget will give us all the rewards we expected.

During Sunday's brunch where Mrs. Blondin-Andrew and Andrew Mitchell spoke, both stressed that the north would get its fair share. I hope this will happen. We have heard over and over the need for more housing, better housing and lower rents for staff in remote communities and many other issues, hopefully, this budget will address.

I hope this budget addresses the recommendations put forward in the Royal Commission on Aboriginal Peoples Report as suggested. The federal government has recognized the needs and the despair that our native people across the country live under.

Previous budgets have taken their toll on our people. Many areas of Canada have unsuitable housing, higher than average unemployment, lower than average education levels and very high incidents of social problems. In most cases, these are our native aboriginal Canadians. Our people need many things to live a normal life as the rest of Canada and I hope that Mr. Martin will address these very important issues. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause.

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Member's Statement 317-13(5): Federal Budget Day

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Roland .

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Member's Statement 318-13(5): Tourism Advertising And Marketing

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1043

Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, on a number of occasions in this forum, I have raised the issue of jobs and jobs for northerners and the transition from a lifestyle to taking

part in business activities. Mr. Speaker, continuing in that area of looking for more jobs and putting people to work and becoming productive, an issue in the community I represent, as well as the region, is in the area of tourism. More and more people, local hunters and trappers, are trying to take an active role in this area because they are the ones that know the land, the river system and the animals, so they have become more and more and involved.

Mr. Speaker, I have brought some information in regard to a comparison between the Yukon government and the Government of the Northwest Territories. Although we are very dependant on new monies coming from people who travel into the north on a yearly basis, we seem to be lowering the amount we spend on tourism advertising and marketing. For example, Mr. Speaker, in 1996-97, a total budget of marketing and advertising for the whole of the Northwest Territories was $1.9 million and in 1997-98, for the west alone, the total budget for marketing and advertising is $593,000.

Mr. Speaker, when we bring in, by our own statistics, it shows that in the NWT, the travel industry brings in, according to a 1994 exit survey, $76.9 million and the NWT Tourism Marketing Strategy showed $133.9 million on a yearly basis. This is an area we need to focus on. We need to show the people who are involved in tourism and the transition from trapping and hunting to tourism, that we support them. I believe this is an area we can focus on. If we are going to draw new money into the Northwest Territories, we have to start spending a bit of money ourselves to attract the people into the territories.

Hopefully, this government is looking at this area of how to bring in new dollars, not just recirculating old dollars. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause.

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Member's Statement 318-13(5): Tourism Advertising And Marketing

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Member's Statement 319-13(5): Transfer Of Yellowknife Liquor Warehouse

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as elected representatives of this House, we are elected to represent the people of the Northwest Territories. At times, specific constituency issues are raised and other times, transterritorial issues, although sometimes constituency specific issues have territorial implications. An example was the Keewatin health issues. Mr. Speaker, the assets of this government were paid for and financed by all residents of the Northwest Territories. How does the government decide what is surplus and what is redundant?

Mr. Speaker, specifically, I speak about the government's consideration to transfer the NWT liquor warehouse to the city of Yellowknife for a dollar. Mr. Speaker, the liquor warehouse, information provided to me shows, has a value of $2.39 million. I have never heard about any situation in the past where a $2.39 million asset would be transferred for a nominal sum of a dollar and then be torn down just to make available a building lot.

Mr. Speaker, the transfer of an asset to a community or an organization in the past has been facilitated to help a community or that organization, not to be destroyed to make way for another project. How was this decision reached? Mr. Speaker, later today, I will ask questions to the Minister responsible for this matter. Thank you.

--Applause.

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Member's Statement 319-13(5): Transfer Of Yellowknife Liquor Warehouse

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 419-13(5): Pastoral Visits At Stanton Regional Hospital

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is addressed to the Minister of Health and Social Services . I was speaking to Reverend Paul Bauchman, an Anglican minister who has served 18 years in the north in Cambridge Bay and Fort Smith. As well, he has written a letter about his concern. Back on January 23rd, he was in Stanton Hospital and asked if he could make pastoral visits to provide relief and support to the injured and sick of his congregation. For some unfortunate reason, this privilege, for the first time, was denied to him and he was not allowed to go in as a member of the clergy, as a minister of the Anglican church or to provide support to his flock.

I would like to ask the Minister if this is, indeed, hopefully a one-time unfortunate incident that can be remedied and things put right, so this kind of very important support to patients is, in fact, encouraged and not hindered. Thank you.

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Question 419-13(5): Pastoral Visits At Stanton Regional Hospital

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng .

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Question 419-13(5): Pastoral Visits At Stanton Regional Hospital

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I do find it disturbing. The honourable Member and the Reverend Bauchman did provide me yesterday with a copy of a letter outlining his complaints and concern on this issue. I plan on addressing it directly with chair of the Stanton Regional Health Board. I am sure it is a one-time occurrence that regretfully happened. We will do all we can to make sure it does not happen again, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Question 419-13(5): Pastoral Visits At Stanton Regional Hospital

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Supplementary To Question 419-13(5): Pastoral Visits At Stanton Regional Hospital

Question 419-13(5): Pastoral Visits At Stanton Regional Hospital

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to thank the Minister for that quick and positive response. In his discussions with Mr. Cleaver, would the Minister also pass on information that, in fact, the Reverend Bauchman is in Yellowknife for the next three or four days, staying at the Anglican church diocese in Yellowknife, should he want to, in fact, talk to him to ensure that there is no misunderstanding in the future. Thank you.

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Supplementary To Question 419-13(5): Pastoral Visits At Stanton Regional Hospital

Question 419-13(5): Pastoral Visits At Stanton Regional Hospital

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ng .

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Further Return To Question 419-13(5): Pastoral Visits At Stanton Regional Hospital

Question 419-13(5): Pastoral Visits At Stanton Regional Hospital

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I will have my deputy minister contact Mr. Cleaver today to make sure that this issue is straightened out before I have a chance to speak to the chair on the matter. Thank you.

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Further Return To Question 419-13(5): Pastoral Visits At Stanton Regional Hospital

Question 419-13(5): Pastoral Visits At Stanton Regional Hospital

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Picco .

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Question 420-13(5): Transfer Of Yellowknife Liquor Warehouse

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is concerning the Government of the Northwest Territories liquor warehouse in Yellowknife. Mr. Speaker, my question is, why would the government transfer an asset valued at $2.39 million to the city of Yellowknife to be destroyed or torn down to make way for another building? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 420-13(5): Transfer Of Yellowknife Liquor Warehouse

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Premier .

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Page 1044

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is normal, good government to do things like this in partnership with our communities. We have done it in many other communities. For the Member's information, we are transferring this parcel of land to the city of Yellowknife and the building will be sold. Thank you.

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Page 1045

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, is there something wrong with the present building? It was built in 1976, it contains 33,000 square feet, 7,000 square feet is the mezzanine. So it has 40,000 square feet and it is only a little over 20 years old. What is wrong with the building? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is a perfectly good building. Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am not trying to ask the question in a facetious manner. I am not trying to debate the issue. I would like to ask some questions on this area. You are talking about an asset of $2.39 million, paid for by the people of the Northwest Territories. I think we have a right to know what is happening with this building. If the building is perfectly fine, why are you trying to get rid of this lot to make way for another building on the lot? I understand the building would be taken down, if it is $2.39 million.

Could the Premier tell me what is happening with the 33,000 square feet, the space for the liquor warehouse and the Public Works and Services warehouse and the Public Works and Services records that are kept in the warehouse? Have they been transferred somewhere else?

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Mr. Morin . You have used up all your supplementaries, Mr. Picco .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The liquor warehouse portion of it that is privatized and there is another one being built from the private sector to supply that to the government. We have other places to put the records and the building itself. The city of Yellowknife requested us to give them that land to put two arenas on there, I believe they are going to build a double arena. The taxpayers in Yellowknife are going to pay for those arenas and the intention of the government is to sell the warehouse and we will get paid for that portion of it. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Could we have some order in the House, please? Oral questions. Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Question 421-13(5): Payment For Movement Of Hall Beach Graves

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1045

Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Premier . Mr. Speaker, four Hall Beach workers have not yet been paid for the removal and replacement of 30 graves in 1968. Back then, they were to be paid approximately $4,000 for the work. I understand this would be the responsibility of the federal government. I would like to ask the Premier if he would be willing to contact the federal government to request that these workers in Hall Beach be paid for the work they did in 1968? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will be pleased to work with the Member to try and solve this issue on behalf of his constituents and to contact the federal government. Possibly if he and I could have a meeting to find out, I believe we have on record the names of the gentlemen who did the work. I would like to know exactly when it was done so we can somehow track who was the federal government's contact person in the community at that time. We then can help his constituents build a case that we could take to our MP for the Nunavut area as well as to the federal government. Thank you.

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Mark Evaloarjuk

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(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Premier tell me when he will contact the federal government? (Translation ends)

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As soon as myself and the Member have the opportunity to meet to get all the information. Immediately after that, I will write a letter to the federal government.

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Is the Premier indicating that he will be able to communicate with me first before he can get the federal government's response? Thank you. (Translation ends)

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Hopefully, this week while we are in session, we can take a few minutes of the Member's time, sit down and discuss the issue so I have background on the issue and then we will contact the federal government and write to them shortly after that, seven days. Thank you.

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Question 422-13(5): Hay Job Evaluation System

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1046

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question, is to the Minister responsible for the Financial Management Board , Mr. Todd . It is in regard to the new job evaluation system. Mr. Speaker, this new job evaluation system still is of great concern to many employees of the Government of the Northwest Territories. At this stage, the last couple of days in the House the Minister alleviated some concerns about the present employees and indicated that their positions will be frozen as regard to pay and renumeration. The concern that is raised now is, Mr.

Speaker, how the positions were evaluated and where they finish up on the scale. I note that the evaluation was performed by Hay and Associates. In the documentation that was presented to all government employees, it lays out some of the conditions how that was arrived at. My question to the Minister is, in what other jurisdictions other than Manitoba does the Hay and Associates perform these services for other governments? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

If my memory serves me correct, I understand they have done work in Manitoba, Ontario, some of the maritime provinces and I believe British Columbia. They have also done a variety of work for the private sector, not just governments. I know for sure Ontario, Manitoba and I believe some of the maritime provinces. I could get a full description of their government work, for my colleague, if he so wishes. They certainly have significant national/international experience. Thank you.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If the Minister could also at that time provide information as to job evaluation systems that they have done in other governments as to how they have worked out and how long they have been in place. I also note on this particular document, Mr. Speaker, it talks about the government explaining the new job evaluation system to employees. What provisions does the Financial Management Board have in place to respond to employees who have concerns about this new job evaluation system? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

I do not think there is any doubt that some employees whose pay level is going to be reduced would be concerned. Of course, the employees whose pay level is going to be increased will be pleased with that in terms of the job evaluation. I have talked to Mr. Voytilla and indicated to him that we have to deal with this on a one-to-one basis. We will. We are trying to communicate to the best of our ability as to why some things have happened. I did have a discussion early this morning, with my colleague from Inuvik, Mr. Roland who has a number of concerns. We will try to address them on an individual basis.

I hope we are going to be able to demonstrate to our employees that we treat people in a fair and reasonable way. I believe there are more employees who will be getting a more pay level increases, if you want rather than those who are being reduced. Thank you.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker and thank you, Mr. Todd for that. You will agree the more information people have the better informed they can be and the easier it is for them to accept some conditions especially if they are well informed. Would the Minister consider setting up a position, for at least a two-week period, where employees can call in and dedicate an employee who is well informed about how this evaluation system was done? Would the Minister consider setting up and dedicating an individual employee or a member of the Hay Plan to answer questions that the government employees have with regard to how the evaluation system is done? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

These are extremely important questions my colleague asks and I concur there is clearly a need to communicate with our staff and explain both positive and negative ramifications of the job evaluation system. I will be meeting with my deputy minister at noon, during the break. I will see what would be an appropriate process to give the employees access to either somebody or a group of people to try an answer their questions and will be in touch with my colleague and advise him what we are going to do. I will try to do it as quickly as possible. Thank you.

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Question 423-13(5): Support For The Tourism Industry

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my

question at this time will be directed to the Premier . Mr. Speaker, in my Member's statement, I raised the issue of funding for the tourism sector. We have heard in this Assembly many times, when we talk about more funding, the question seems to come back, from where? We have a number of areas we can work on. We do a lot of forgiveness of debts and so on. Maybe that is an area we can work on tightening up. I would like to know from the Premier , in the area of tourism and funding, does this government support this initiative and this activity? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do not know the exact number of dollars we do have in support of marketing in the Northwest Territories. I do know that we market the Northwest Territories and we do have programs to assist tourism and people to market the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Knowing that we do support, to some degree, the tourism industry, I would like to know if this government, knowing that by spending a little more money, we can bring in new dollars to the Northwest Territories, which is dearly needed. Will you direct your Ministers to work on this issue to try and find some resources or the necessary funding to improve the area of tourism? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will be pleased to work with the Member as well as the Minister responsible for marketing of tourism in the Northwest Territories, to look at how we are doing and whether we can do a better job or not and sometimes we can do a better job possibly, without spending more dollars. Maybe it is just the way we are doing our marketing. We are doing a fairly good job on marketing. My understanding is tourism numbers are increasing by the year. I see there a lot of down-filled red jackets in Yellowknife throughout the winter months.

By talking to those tourist operators and marketing of northern lights, tourism has grown from where it started off at approximately 400 tourists and then it jumped to 1,200. Last year it was 1,800. This year it is 4,000 with a good potential of growing to at least 10,000 tourists a year. Thank you.

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Question 423-13(5): Support For The Tourism Industry

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. From the Premier 's answer, which leads me to the question of although there are increasing tourists especially in the Yellowknife area, that is not the same in the rest of the territories. There has been a slight reduction in the amount of tourists coming north. I think that we can draw a correspondence to the amount of funding we have been putting into tourism marketing. Although we know there are benefits, will there be the possibility of working together? I would like to see that happen as soon as possible that we may address some of the issues of all the regions in the territories. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The people who are involved in the tourism business as well as aboriginal groups who are involved in the marketing of tourism are talking and dealing with the Minister on creating a new marketing plan for tourism for the western Arctic. The eastern Arctic and Nunavut area have already embarked on marketing Nunavut and tourism over there. With marketing in the west, it is a matter of all the partners coming together to develop a marketing plan. Those marketing plans should also include all the regions. Thank you.

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Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. One of the concerns with our marketing of tourism is, it focuses on the very large places. I would like to know if any work will be done in the area of trying to make sure the funding goes right to the source, the operator who is out on the river boat or fishing camp, and so on. If we could improve that and how the money gets to that person, I think we will see some definite bonuses. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Roland . Oral questions. Mr. Barnabas .

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Question 424-13(5): Arctic Bay Sewage Lagoon Project

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question will be directed to the Minister of MACA . Mr. Speaker, I learned that the Arctic Bay sewage disposal lagoon dump improvement was reduced by $210 in order to purchase a bulldozer for the hamlet. Mr. Speaker, my question is why the project was reduced when there is a local contractor with full equipment in the community? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Ms. Thompson .

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My

regional staff is very good at speaking to the communities and finding out what the priorities are. I do not know why he said $210. I think that is probably $210,000. I do not know what happened with the bulldozer and the sewage lagoon as to why it was reduced. I will get back to the Members. I will take it as notice. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The question is taken as notice. Oral questions. Mr. Ootes .

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Question 425-13(5): Tourism Coordination Strategy

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My colleague, Mr. Roland , spoke a few moments ago about tourism and the importance in creating jobs and the relationship of that. I, too, in Yellowknife am aware we have had a drop in tourism. It is my belief it is a direct result of the cutbacks in funding to promote tourism. I wonder if the Premier could tell me if they have discussed this as a Cabinet because Mr.

Kakfwi has stated previously he is awaiting word from the Tourism Association of the western Arctic on a strategic plan on their part, but in the meantime if promotion is not done at this time of year, then we are going to probably see a reduction in tourism this upcoming year. Yellowknife can take that reduction but other communities are very dependent upon tourism. My question to the Premier is, has this been discussed as a Cabinet strategy? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Premier .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do not think I can tell the Member what we discuss in Cabinet. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Premier take this up as a discussion matter with Mr. Kakfwi ? I have every confidence in Mr. Kakfwi and his strategy. It is just that we are starting to face a bit of a time crunch problem for tourism operators. They need to have some program in place to promote. Could the Minister address this with Mr. Kakfwi ? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Tourism is very important for the economy of the Northwest Territories. We have a lot to offer the world in places to come and see, fish, hunt and to look at northern lights. We do not want to see our tourism industry floundering. I would be pleased to take it up with the Minister. I am sure that the Minister is working with the other people in the Northwest Territories who are involved in tourism to try to make sure that we market it properly. I will discuss it with the Minister. Thank you.

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Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. O'Brien .

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Question 426-13(5): Contribution To The City Of Yellowknife

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1048

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister responsible for FMBS. Mr. Speaker, it is my understanding that approximately $400,000 was donated or transferred to the City of Yellowknife. The apparent purpose was to help offset the downturn to the economy due to the loss of jobs, so on and so forth. Can the Minister confirm whether this amount of money was transferred, indeed, to the City of Yellowknife? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for the Financial Management Board , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Yes, Mr. Speaker. In an effort to assist the city in its fiscal crisis and the fact that we are in a huge downturn, as it relates to division and as the majority of cuts in the budget strategy are coming out of Yellowknife; Yellowknife requested some assistance and we provided it. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. O'Brien

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister confirm to this House where this money came from, how it was facilitated?

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Yes, Mr. Speaker. It could have come through the community infrastructure funding, but I would have to double check. Certainly, at the request of three MLAs from Yellowknife and with my and the city's support, we moved on this important initiative to stabilizing the Yellowknife economy, et cetera.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Could I have some order in this House please? Supplementary, Mr. O'Brien .

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I realize that Yellowknife has had some difficult times over the last year or so. This is not to say that the smaller communities in the eastern Arctic that are suffering from 72 to 75 percent unemployment also have had difficult times over the last many,

many years. My question to the Minister, I am not concerned or upset about the fact that Yellowknife has received $400,000. All the power to them. My question, Mr. Speaker, is how can communities like my two communities, Arviat and Baker, access this type of funding and get on this gravy train, so they can have the same benefits as the city of Yellowknife? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

I would not define the request from city hall with the support of four MLAs for Yellowknife as a gravy train, Mr. Speaker. If my honourable colleague wishes to make a reasonable question, I am prepared to answer with a reasonable answer. What I will say to him is, there are a variety of programs out there in which his community has accessed. I know his community very well has accessed the Community Infrastructure Fund for the Kivalliq partners, et cetera. City hall and Yellowknife have historically not accessed that. This was and is a unique situation.

It is a city that has taken some of our biggest hits in terms of layoffs. It is a city that is under siege with respect to the mining industry. This is a city that needs some assistance. My colleagues, I and others chose to give it to them. This is a one-time assistance to see if they can get out there to market the city and bring some new life to it. I would hope that all of my colleagues in this House would see the value of that. Historically and certainly presently, communities like my home community of Rankin Inlet, Mr.

O'Brien 's communities like Baker Lake and Arviat have been able to access a whole bunch of programs as level two and level three communities that level one communities have not been able to access. It is no different from the assistance that we want to give in Inuvik which is currently assigned as a level one community but, in fact, has a level two, level three economy. This was the reason why we did this. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral question. Supplementary, Mr. O'Brien .

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Mr. Todd for those comments. Mr. Speaker, can the Minister tell this House who authorized this transfer of funds to the City of Yellowknife and which department was involved? Thank you.

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Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

I am not sure who authorized it. RWED was the department that was used as a means to provide the city with the funding. I was involved as the Finance Minister at the request of the three MLAs and the city. I would have to check into exactly which department. I believe it was RWED that gave the funding. I was actively involved as the Finance Minister in ensuring that the funding was there. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. O'Brien .

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister indicated that RWED was involved. Would the Minister confirm that the Minister of RWED approved this transfer of funding to the City of Yellowknife?

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Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

I cannot confirm whether the Minister of RWED approved or not. I am saying to you as the Finance Minister , I was active in the process of trying to find the additional dollars required on a one-time basis to help the city that is currently under economic siege and has taken these large hits as it relates to the Deficit Elimination Strategy, as it relates to the division of 150 people of which Mr. O'Brien and others, will reap the rewards from in the decentralized government. I was involved in providing assistance to the city and RWED was the mechanism in which we transferred the money through. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Mr. Erasmus .

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Recently, Dr. Alphonso Martinez, special rapporteur for the United Nations, visited the Hay River Reserve at which time there were several representations made to him. I would like to ask a question to the Minister responsible for Aboriginal Affairs . There were several representations made to the special rapporteur by the aboriginal governments in the Northwest Territories which clearly voiced their dissatisfaction with what they perceive as Canada's violations against the treaties. They indicated that Canada is in breech of their obligations.

Also, they expressed concern that the passing of legislation by the territorial and federal governments further erodes their treaty rights. What I would like to know is, did this government make a presentation to the special rapporteur from the United Nations? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Aboriginal Affairs . Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the UN rapporteur on treaty rights who attended the meeting was invited there by the Deh Cho First Nations and other First Nations. Treaty 8 and other First Nations attended this meeting. The purpose of the meeting was to meet this gentleman. Initial contact was made by the Grand Chief of Deh

Cho when he went to the UN in Geneva last year. From there, I find out that this gentleman was doing a study on treaty issues. The purpose of the meeting was for the First Nations to explain to the UN rapporteur their concerns in regard to their treaty rights. The Northwest Territories government was not involved in this process and, therefore, would not make any presentation to this person. Thank you.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Considering the implications of the report that the rapporteur makes, I would think that it is incumbent that this government bring some sort of a written report or presentation and have it sent to Mr. Martinez. Does this government intend to make a written submission to the UN representative?

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, no, this government does not intend to make any statement at all to this UN rapporteur. He was here on the invitation of the First Nations and the First Nations wanted to make a presentation to him. The UN rapporteur will be making a major statement, not only for the Northwest Territories, Canada and the United States, but a statement throughout the whole world on treaty issues for indigenous people that they see there are injustices to them. As a result of that, we are part of the government and I think some of the concerns that were raised were aimed toward us.

It would have been good to meet this gentleman but unfortunately because of this House sitting we were not able to attend the meeting. Thank you.

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Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is precisely because this government could not make a presentation that I feel we should be making a written submission. I would like to know then, is this government content to let the representative from the UN only hear one side of the story before they make their report and publish it for the world to see? Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I see the point of the honourable Member and I think it is a very good point. The UN rapporteur, Dr. Alphonso Martinez, may have seen only one side of the picture here in the Northwest Territories. I think as this Government of the Northwest Territories, we are working in partnership with the Aboriginal Summit Leaders and we are attempting to try to resolve some of these outstanding issues. It is important that our side of the stories get viewed.

I will look into it with the rest of my colleagues here in the Cabinet and see if there is a possibility of writing a letter to the UN rapporteur and find out how he intends to do his report. It is incumbent upon us to make our own representation. Thank you.

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Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I have indicated before, there could be serious repercussions from this report, particularly since Treaty 8 indicates the report from the commissioner indicated that the Indians were promised that they would never have to pay taxes. I would like to know if this government has a position already on some of these issues that they could make known to the special rapporteur. Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I do not know what kinds of presentations were made to the UN rapporteur. We are not subject to the presentations he received and that will be something we should look into. If there are areas where we feel we should be explaining ourselves and the different concerns that may have been raised from the different personations, like the example the honourable Member made of Treaty 8 promises that were made that they would not have to pay taxes. I know this is a very important outstanding issue for treaty people in the Northwest Territories and in Canada.

This government does not have a position on it, but we see it as a bilateral process between the First Nations and the federal government. We need to get further information on what kind of presentations were made to the UN rapporteur. Thank you.

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Question 428-13(5): Contribution To The City Of Yellowknife

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Finance regarding the $400,000 the city of Yellowknife received. In my riding, there was a motion passed in the committee of the whole asking for financial support and support from this government for the Tl'oondih Healing Society in which 30 people were laid off. I would like to ask the Minister, how seriously do they take motions which are passed in the committee of the whole, in which this government gets direction from all Members of the House, versus allocating $400,000 to one large municipality?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We take all motions in this House seriously. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regard to the $400,000 the city of Yellowknife received, why was not the Tl'oondih Healing Society also considered in allocating funding, in which 30 people were laid off?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

It will take some time to answer this question, so my colleague understands the concept in which it was done. The reality is that the city of Yellowknife has taken the largest amount of hits in the Deficit Elimination Strategy. Coupled with that, there is going to be 150 to 200 jobs that are going to disappear with division. With that, you have the crisis in the gold market which laid off even more people. As Finance Minister , I am concerned. I was as concerned then, as I am now.

There is a requirement for stability in the investment community, a requirement for stability within the banking community and there is a requirement to ensure that Yellowknife gets treated no differently than anybody else. The $400,000 which I was actively involved in, and I am proud to say that, is a one time effort to assist Yellowknife to get out there and find alternatives to the hits it has taken over the last two or three years.

I fundamentally believe that if the centre gets weakened to the point where the investment community is not prepared to continue to invest, it has a ripple effect outside of Yellowknife, whether it is in Iqaluit, Arviat, Cambridge Bay or Fort McPherson. That is the reason that request had my support and I requested it be done. It was a one-time deal and an effort to try and bring some support to Yellowknife for the first time in 25 years, in a time of extreme difficulties. I believe it warranted it then and still believe it warrants it now. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Todd talks about fairness, yet he mentions that he has done all these great things for all these communities, which $400,000 was given to the city of Yellowknife. How much was given to all the other ridings to offset the impacts that they have had to incur because of the deficit elimination that we had to do in this government? I mentioned one area in which there were 30 people laid off in my constituency where we lost a lot of economic opportunities and programs that were there before. Why is that?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Mr. Speaker, everybody took its share of hits. Yellowknife took more than its share of hits, coupled with the fact that division is taking place and there are more hits to come. As the Finance Minister , I am concerned about fiscal stability within the overall territorial framework. We could be sitting in Yellowknife, a year from now, with 300,000 square feet of office space empty. That has an impact, my belief as Finance Minister , on what takes place in Inuvik, Rankin Inlet, et cetera. In fact, we did put more money back into the budget, $16 million in the employment side, in which communities like my honourable colleague represents, received its fair share.

--Applause.

If I may, Mr. Speaker, in the ten-year allocation by community, for example, in Fort McPherson, the average, which my colleague frequently criticized us for, the per capita dollars were $25; the per capital dollars in Yellowknife were $7. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to thank the Minister for those numbers. When you are talking about 150 people out of 2000, you have quite a ratio. When you are talking 30 people out of 700, it affects the community more drastically than 2000 people. Maybe he should consider looking at his statistics and see exactly how they affect the communities, based on percentages, not based on the size of the community. If you have 2000 people, there is a difference between 2000 and 700.

I would like to ask the Minister, why is he trying to use this scenario now, yet the other communities are probably worse off now than they were compared to Yellowknife? That is why a lot of our people are having to come to Yellowknife to try to find those opportunities because there are none in our communities. Maybe he should take that scenario into account when he does his calculations.

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Question 429-13(5): Arena Opening In Hall Beach

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs . About a week ago, February 20th, the arena was supposed to be open in my constituency of Hall Beach, but it was delayed until March 2nd. The reason was that the Minister informed my constituents that she could not attend. Now it is supposed to be open on March 2nd because of the Minister not being able to go to Hall Beach. Will the Minister be in Hall Beach on March 2nd to open the arena? Thank you. (Translation ends)

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The reason why I delayed the opening of the arena was, and I told the regional office in Iqaluit, I will not be able to attend at that time. I also asked them if we could delay it further for March 2nd. I would like to say today that I will not be able to go to Hall Beach. It is very unfortunate. I cannot attend. Thank you, Mr. Speaker (Translation ends)

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. During the Legislative Assembly session some of the Members are not able to attend the session. I wonder why you cannot go to my community to open up the arena. It would have been fair for me as a constituent of Hall Beach that you should be able to attend the opening of the arena. Thank you. (Translation ends)

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am not saying that Mark Evaloarjuk 's riding is a low priority, but we were given some instructions by the Premier that we could attend important functions. It is unfortunate we could not change it. I have to get approval from the Premier to do stuff like that. Thank you. (Translation ends)

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Question 430-13(5): Amending The Workers' Compensation Act

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am a little flustered, Mr. Speaker, all these attacks on Yellowknife today, will you please excuse me. My question, Mr. Speaker, is for the Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board. A number of times in this House, I had requested the Minister to look at modernizing the Workers' Compensation Act, particularly one section, the

section which the WCB retains the right to sue their