Debates of Aug. 18th, 2011

This is page numbers 6777 - 6812 of the Hansard for the 16th Assembly, 6th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was land .

Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

Minister’s Statement 37-16(6): Official Languages Planning

Minister’s Statement 38-16(6): 2011 Western Canada Summer Games

Public Housing Rent Scale

Federal Food Mail Program

Natural Gas Conversion In Communities

NWT Agriculture Policy

Northland Trailer Park

Need For Trauma Treatment Programs

Evictions And Public Housing Arrears In Nunakput

Support And Services For Children Living With Autism

Increased Rate Of Crime In The NWT

Emergency Medical Evacuation Policy

Condolences To The Family And Friends Of The Late Jonathan Steven Andre

Committee Report 6-16(6): Standing Committee On Government Operations Report On The Review Of Bill 10: Northwest Territories Heritage Fund Act

Motion To Receive Committee Report 6-16(6) And Move Into Committee Of The Whole

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Funding For Food Mail Program

Mental Health Strategy For Dealing With Trauma

Support For Children Living With Autism

Public Housing Rent Scale

Housing Resources In Nunakput

Use Of Petroleum Products Revolving Fund

Drug And Alcohol Treatment Facility

Recreational Land Use Framework

Encouraging Community Gardening And Local Food Production

Northland Trailer Park

Lack Of Emergency Medical Services For People On The Land

Mental Health And Addictions Services In Small Communities

Motion To Move Bill 7 And Bill 19 Into Committee Of The Whole

Tabled Document 53-16(6): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2011-2012 Tabled Document 54-16(6): Supplementary Estimates (Operations Expenditures), No. 2, 2011-2012

Tabled Document 55-16(6): Natural Resources Conservation Trust Fund 2010-2011 Annual Report

Tabled Document 56-16(6): Workers’ Safety And Compensation Commission 2010 Annual Report

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Amend Bill 7, Community Planning And Development Act

Recorded Vote

Report of Committee of the Whole

Bill 21:

An Act To Amend The Employment Standards Act

Bill 20: Vital Statistics Act

Orders of the Day

The House met at 1:37 p.m.

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Prayer

Prayer

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Good afternoon, colleagues. Welcome back to the Chamber. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers’ statements. The honourable Minister of Education , Mr. Lafferty .

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Minister’s Statement 37-16(6): Official Languages Planning

Ministers’ Statements

Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. The Department of Education, Culture and Employment’s official languages division has been hard at work on three important projects: the Aboriginal Languages Plan, the Aboriginal Languages Summer Institute, and the Strategic Plan on French Language.

In October 2010, the Government of the Northwest Territories tabled its strategic document, “Northwest Territories Aboriginal Languages Plan – A Shared Responsibility.”

The plan outlines how the government, non-government organizations, and Northerners will work together to strengthen Aboriginal language use. In addition, it includes the views of Aboriginal language communities regarding specific actions required to address the particular characteristics with their specific language group.

The plan is framed over a 10-year period. It is intended to help guide decisions related to policy, priorities, and support for Aboriginal languages. The plan will also help guide the language communities with their specific activities and direction.

A number of actions identified in the plan are already underway. Some of these include: funding language “tool kits” development or identified learning materials; analyzing and evaluating current language funding distribution methodology; initiating a feasibility study to establish an Aboriginal Languages Secretariat; and publishing the annual report on Aboriginal language activities across the NWT.

Further to this plan, Mr. Speaker, the Aboriginal Languages Summer Institute recently completed its second year of courses. The pilot language institute

enables participants to enhance their current language skills and enhance their capacity to plan and develop language preservation and revitalization, strategies, programs, and resource materials.

The 2011 language institute was held from July 11 to 23 in Yellowknife at the Aurora College facility. All 20 participants, representing official Aboriginal languages, successfully completed the courses. There are further discussions with the University of Victoria to deliver another two-week course later this year. It is hoped to deliver programs through the language institute as a regular language revitalization program.

Mr. Speaker, the Government of the Northwest Territories drafted a Strategic Plan on French Language Communications and Services to improve communications and services delivery to the public in French across the government. Representation of the Federation Franco-TeNOise are discussing the draft plan and we anticipate completion in the coming months.

The plan outlines three broad frameworks for implementation: legislative and regulatory, administrative and operational. It also includes establishing a Francophone Affairs Secretariat.

The Francophone Affairs Secretariat is a central support agency to deliver French language communications and services by government departments, boards, and agencies. The secretariat also coordinates government-wide provision of French translation services and manages Services TNO, the government’s single-window for French language services.

The operation of the secretariat will start this fall. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister’s Statement 37-16(6): Official Languages Planning

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. Robert McLeod .

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Minister’s Statement 38-16(6): 2011 Western Canada Summer Games

Ministers’ Statements

Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is my pleasure today to provide Members of the Legislative Assembly with an update on the Northwest Territories Team that attended the 2011 Western Canada Summer

Games that were hosted by the City of Kamloops, British Columbia, from August 5

to August 14

The Western Canada Summer Games were created in 1975 to provide western and northern athletes an opportunity to compete at a higher performance level and learn more about this great country.

Nearly 2,300 athletes representing the four western provinces and three territories took

part in the Kamloops Games. Team NWT included 140 athletes, coaches, and managers from eight sports and representing 10 communities.

Mr. Speaker, all of the athletes performed extremely well and did us proud. I am pleased to congratulate Alea Stockton and Julianna Neudorf for their silver and bronze medals respectively in the women’s five-kilometre walk, and to the team of Joseph Lirette, Madison Hurst, Mason Hachey, and Christopher Lirette for their bronze medal in the 100-metre relay. I invite my colleagues to join me in congratulating all of our athletes for their hard work and dedication.

A special mention goes to the Team NWT volunteers and officials who managed the team, and to the territorial sport organizations for working so hard to support their athletes. They demonstrated a willingness to go that extra distance to provide the athletes with the best experience possible. It is through the combined effort of volunteer organizers, the coaches and managers, the officials and the staff that make the athletes success possible.

A special note of recognition is required for Mr. Bill Othmer from Sport North, who served as our chef de mission for Team NWT. Congratulations to Mr. Othmer and all his mission staff on a job well done.

I would also like to extend my thanks to the host society from the City of Kamloops, British Columbia. This organization did a wonderful job of hosting the games and made the team welcome in their community. We trust that the next host, the Municipality of Wood Buffalo, Alberta, will continue the tradition of hosting an excellent sporting event.

Finally, I would like to make special mention to all the parents who support their children in their athletic pursuits. Their dedication of time and financial support to the development of our youth is so important, and is evident through the number of youth who were able to attend these games in person.

Mr. Speaker, the Government of the Northwest Territories is working to build our future by promoting healthy and active living among children and youth. Improving the physical and mental well-being of our youth will create healthy, educated Northerners as envisioned in the 16

Assembly’s

vision of Northerners Working Together.

Mr. Speaker, we have much to be proud of in our sport and recreation system, and on behalf of all Members of the Legislative Assembly, I congratulate all those who took

part in the 2011 Western Canada Summer Games. Thank you.

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Minister’s Statement 38-16(6): 2011 Western Canada Summer Games

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Item 3, Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Public Housing Rent Scale

Members’ Statements

Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, many times over the past four years the Legislative Assembly has passed motions asking the Housing Corporation to change the rent scale in order to improve incentive for people that want to work in the smaller communities.

In addition, I have made many requests asking the Housing Corporation to develop policies to support the development of a housing market in rural and remote communities to prevent home ownership units from dilapidating to a point where the houses are falling beyond economical repair.

Along with the high cost of rent in small communities for families that go to work and have children out of school, the monthly expenses for maintaining a household along with daycare costs easily add up, and the deductions made from your gross pay of a person’s income. At the end of the day there is very little incentive for a person to work in the small communities where there is no private market to ease you into homeownership.

The NWT Housing Corporation has been asked many times to change its current policies. When is that policy going to change? Will the NWT Housing Corporation continue to work on this policy change into the next Assembly and ensure that those changes are made? Will these items be an essential part of the transition document for the NWT Housing Corporation?

Many MLAs have complained to the Minister about housing, about the various issues their constituents are facing when they’re dealing with housing. I am making my 30

Member’s statement today on

housing, and yet I have not seen changes in the policy that will allow people in public housing to go to work and retain some of their income for themselves, thus providing incentive to work. I have not seen people in homeownership get their units

repaired or renovated so they can live in comfort in their homes and their homes are now deteriorating beyond a point where they are frustrated and don’t know where to turn.

I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Public Housing Rent Scale

Members’ Statements

Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

As MLAs, we have the power of suggestion for the government, however, our suggestions are supported by the people that have elected us. Our suggestions must be taken seriously; they cannot be ignored.

Today I will have questions for the Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation on the policies that are affecting the people in Tu Nedhe.

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Public Housing Rent Scale

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Federal Food Mail Program

Members’ Statements

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Changes to the federal Food Mail Program, now known as Nutrition North Canada, are disastrous. It’s actually increasing the cost of foods for the residents in our smaller communities. This is a huge problem that requires immediate action. Instead of ensuring flat shipping rates for northern orders of nutritious food, the federal government is subsidizing freight costs for northern retailers. Basically that’s the Northern Stores and Co-op stores. In theory, it should work if the freight subsidy is fully passed on to the customers. That doesn’t seem to be happening.

My constituents are sending me cost comparisons. They are showing me the numbers that they pay when they’re able to order groceries directly from Yellowknife versus what they’re paying at the community stores. The costs of things like milk, apples, eggs, and cheese have almost doubled. My constituents are asking me, why should oranges cost $3 a kilogram in Yellowknife and more than $8 a kilogram in Tulita. That’s even after the freight subsidy of $2 per kilogram.

The federal freight subsidy is not benefitting the consumers. Stores in Yellowknife are no longer taking

part in this program because the federal government reporting requirements are too complicated and take too much time. This especially hurts people in the Norman Wells area. This subsidy has actually reduced competition, what little competition there is in our smaller communities.

I know this program is a federal responsibility, but our government shares the pain when our people cannot afford to eat a balanced, nutritious diet. We have to do something about this immediately.

Northern retailers are not happy with the Nutritious North Program. Consumers and my people are not happy with it. The Nutritious North Program needs to be revised, and this government should start applying some serious pressure to make this happen. Maybe the Premier should have a few words with Mr. Harper.

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Federal Food Mail Program

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Natural Gas Conversion In Communities

Members’ Statements

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Natural gas as a community energy supply has gained attention lately and there’s a consideration being given to expanding that use in communities. Let’s examine some related issues and consider the wisdom of our long-term approach.

The situation in Norman Wells is well known. Huge costs are being faced as the local gas supply ends and the town struggles to find a cost-effective replacement. In Inuvik a $5 million contract is being let to provide a propane backup should local gas supplies fail, as they will in two to 15 years. Inuvik is preparing itself to deal with the Norman Wells situation of today. Yet, studies have been carried out to consider the conversion of Simpson, Tulita, and Good Hope to natural gas. A lot of money spent on the barely economic possibility of hooking these communities to another finite fossil fuel: natural gas.

But wait. A recent Pembina Suzuki Foundation report proves that natural gas is not the answer to climate change; it’s, in fact, one of the causes. Any economic forecast will tell you that fossil fuel prices will continue driving up our small communities costs of living. More importantly, the report clarifies that massive retooling to go to a different fossil fuel uses up precious infrastructure dollars on a temporary solution that is increasingly recognized as insufficient. This use of dollars also detracts from known renewable energy solutions that are often more economic in the same time frame.

These solutions contribute both greater economic benefits through job creation and stimulation of local economies, and obviously greater environmental benefits. Does it make sense to keep pouring on the gas, Mr. Speaker? I don’t think so.

Nordic and other countries’ experience shows that the answer is conversion to local renewables, especially biomass and small hydro in our country. Reasonable payback times are proven; the local employment and investment opportunities are enormous. Safety from volatile energy pricing and reduction in the cost of living are benefits we should be leading our citizens towards now. Imagine if the people of Norman Wells or Inuvik could turn back the clock to when they signed on to gas. Knowing

the conversion costs they paid and, yes, will pay again, we need to ensure that renewables are examined. This is the foresight we should be offering them as leaders, but I don’t see it happening.

Mr. Speaker, when we plan for renewable, we plan…

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Natural Gas Conversion In Communities

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Mr. Bromley , your time for your Member’s statement has expired.

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Natural Gas Conversion In Communities

Members’ Statements

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Natural Gas Conversion In Communities

Members’ Statements

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

When we plan continuing dependence on fossil fuels we are planning for now. When we plan for renewables we are planning for from now on. I will be asking questions on why renewables aren’t being considered here. Mahsi.

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Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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NWT Agriculture Policy

Members’ Statements

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As the 16

Assembly draws to a close, I’ve had an

opportunity to again review the list of goals that I had set out during my time as MLA. I’m pleased to say that many of the items and issues have a checkmark beside them. But, Mr. Speaker, there’s one item that I’m sad to say has not been achieved, and that is an NWT agricultural policy.

Our cost of living is high, partially due to the cost of transporting food to our communities, as my colleague Mr. Yakeleya has referred to today. The Territorial Farmers’ Association, with membership that runs from south to north and east to west across our territory, is doing an amazing job of keeping the potential of NWT agriculture on the radar, but we still need an NWT agricultural policy, a policy that considers issues such as taxes on land used for agriculture.

A couple of people in Hay River who have been very, very vocal proponents of agriculture in the North recently bought a quarter

section of land near Peace River and their annual taxes on 160 acres is $80. This is the kind of consideration that a jurisdiction neighbouring us pays to promoting agriculture.

We also need a policy that considers things like the availability of purple gas for farm and harvesting practices, the licensing of farm vehicles and registering of them at affordable rates. We also need to recognize the consideration of identifying parcels of land in our land use plans for future agricultural purposes. There is no reason why this can’t be done. We have fertile land. If there’s one thing we have lots of in the Northwest Territories it’s

land. Even if it was land leased in unsettled claim areas, these lands could be farmed. There’s no reason why we can’t be driving to Yellowknife and see waves of grain blowing in the wind, but there does not seem to be a will for this government to form any kind of an overarching policy that would encourage that.

Some people think that this is a South Slave issue. It is not, when you look at the communities that historically produce food for their regions and regions beyond, when you consider the thousands of pounds of potatoes that were produced in Norman Wells this past year.

Mr. Speaker, our long days of daylight, the land that we have, the desire of our communities to look at greener ways of living are all reasons why this government should make it a high priority in the 17

Assembly to finally put together an agricultural policy, an overarching policy for the Northwest Territories. It is long overdue. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Northland Trailer Park

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. At my constituency meeting last week I spent considerable time discussing one huge concern, one that’s been an ongoing issue for 15 years for Northland mobile home residents.

Northland mobile home park is a neighbourhood of 258 homes in central Yellowknife and houses 1,100 people. As Members know, the infrastructure in the park is in dire need of replacement, and the lack of political will to address this emergency situation is frightening.

I was asked by one of my constituents the other night, do they -- meaning governments -- realize how serious this is. Mr. Speaker, I don’t think any government realizes how serious it is, and I am not exaggerating when I say the water and sewer systems in Northland could completely fail at any moment. Literally at any moment.

The 1,100 people living in Northland would be forced out of their homes. The vacancy rate in Yellowknife at the moment is just .8 percent. Many residents would have no other place to live and would move out of the territory, leaving their jobs and their homes behind. As Northland residents

leave the NWT, we will lose money, a lot of money, Mr. Speaker, and we will continue to lose money every year long after they are gone.

As well, Mr. Speaker, many Northland residents are employees of government; municipal, territorial and federal governments. They are our health care and child care workers, our engineers, our policy and program analysts, our front-line and mid-level office workers, teachers, mining industry employees. Two to three hundred workers or more leaving the community at the same time will create vacancies that employers will not be able to fill. There will be a huge impact on our government services and NWT businesses.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Northland Trailer Park

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you to my colleagues. When parents move, so do their children. Fifty percent of the population of Northland is children in school. Consider the negative impact on school budgets and school district staff when those children move out.

Along with school district revenues decreasing, the City of Yellowknife will see a $400,000 drop in their tax revenue. More jobs lost, more services cut.

Mr. Speaker, the scope of the problem at Northland extends far beyond just the replacement of the water and sewer infrastructure. It’s an extraordinary situation but it’s an emergency situation. This government can be proactive and help with the problem now or sit back, do nothing, and deal with the much larger problem when it arises, when the systems fail and the Northland neighbourhood is condemned.

Cooperation and coordination are needed to tackle this urgent issue and prevent the 1,100 Northland residents from becoming homeless. Is the GNWT up to that challenge? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Northland Trailer Park

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Need For Trauma Treatment Programs

Members’ Statements

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Mr. Speaker... [Translation] I would like to make a statement on how the government can help us, and this is what I’d like to

I rise today to speak about families. Families are the strength of our territory. The mental, emotional, physical, and spiritual health is important to the health and prosperity of our territory. Many of our families are suffering. They are suffering because of the effects of trauma in their lives and this is tearing them apart.

Trauma is an event that involves a single experience or repeated experiences that completely overwhelm the individual’s ability to cope. Traumatizing experiences can be caused by crime, dysfunctional families, or even experiences such as the residential school system.

The symptoms of trauma show themselves in many ways: addictions, abusive behaviour, low self-esteem, dropping out of school. The effects are cyclical. For example, a child of 10 lives at a home where adults are addicted to alcohol, the parties go all night, the adults in life abuse each other, the child witnesses this, causing trauma. The child cannot get enough sleep. He tries to go to school but he’s too tired to do well. The child drops out because he’s not doing well and can’t get a job later on in life because of his lower literacy levels and education levels, so he copes by drinking and/or doing drugs, is soon addicted, and the cycle continues.

This government does well to deliver programs that treat the symptoms of alcohol and drug abuse, and family violence, with upgrading and literacy programs. However, this government continues to ignore the root cause of these symptoms: trauma.

Trauma treatment programs come in many different forms. They require professionals trained specifically to deal with trauma, but also require a number of other things to be successful. Firstly, they must be community driven, appropriately resourced, support the whole family as a unit, be ongoing, and provide after-care support.

No one department within this government can provide the continuum of supports. It requires a coordinated continuum of support right across the GNWT to enable communities to develop and deliver the programs and services they require to address this trauma.

I will be asking what has been done to support communities to develop trauma treatment programs for our people.

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Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Jacobson .

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Evictions And Public Housing Arrears In Nunakput

Members’ Statements

Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Northwest Territories is at the boiling point with housing in my riding. Four years of procrastinating with the decisions, four years of mismanagement, and four years of poor policy changes. This government must provide basics firsts, such as roads, health care, schools, and housing. Housing is the most important across the territory. People are being evicted, such as in Paulatuk where they are being evicted. Why they are being evicted is the best example. How is the huge equality between the larger centres and the small communities? Where are these people going to go?

This government is not just going to allow them to go homeless this winter. Evicting them because they cannot pay immediately is not the answer.

In the past we were fighting the government and the Housing Corporation for providing adequate housing facilities, such as removing mould, collapsing ceilings, and some broken windows. In the past we were fighting the government and the Housing Corporation to improve the huge overcrowding. Today it’s a lot worse. We’re fighting this government to stop evicting people in the communities in these substandard houses.

Some of the communities are taking and launching a lawsuit against the Housing Corporation, according to some of the constituents, and this is valid and gaining support, considering everyone is going to go through since the changeover in 2006 to 2009 with the mistakes the Housing Corporation and the Minister made in the public in 2008. With no amendments made to the arrears that have toppled over, no adjustments, attended ledgers, and not properly reassessed everyone’s monthly total rent to reduce their arrears to get actual total rent per month from everyone’s pay stubs in the submissions.

Some of these concerns in the Housing Corporation are calculating these arrears. It’s most likely that they’re making up these formulas as they go, or that the administration’s filing system is so unorganized that they’re just guessing.

I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Evictions And Public Housing Arrears In Nunakput

Members’ Statements

Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

People across the territory and in Nunakput are fed up. We have enough educated people in our community coming to their senses and tired of being overcharged for houses that are 40 years old.

I’d like to read part of an e-mail from a person in my region:

I caution our leaders in the future. Our local members are consulted prior to making changes to policy. It should be based on community needs, allowing the board of directors to give direction to the LHO, rather than running the other way around. And then you have to forward them to the Yellowknife hierarchy. No cause, no confidence bears much in mind seeing how devastating it has been for our families across the territory.

I will have questions for the Minister of Housing at the appropriate time.

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Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Jacobson . The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Abernethy .

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Support And Services For Children Living With Autism

Members’ Statements

Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Over the last three years and 10 months I have received a number of questions and concerns from constituents on the amount of services and supports provided to families living with children with autism. Based on conversations with the previous Minister of Health and Social Services , it is clear to me that this government does not offer much in the way of dedicated services for these individuals.

Autism is a growing problem both in Canada and the Northwest Territories. One in 110 children born today will live with autism to many different degrees of effect. One in 70 male children born will have autism. Based on these statistics, seven-plus children are being born every year in the Northwest Territories with autism. This means that during the life of this 16

Legislative Assembly, approximately

28 children have been born with autism in the Northwest Territories and will need support.

This is a problem that affects more than just Yellowknife. It is a reality in all of our communities and must be addressed. Currently, families living with children within the NWT but not in Yellowknife have to relocate their families to Yellowknife in hopes of receiving any services. Families will be disappointed when they arrive and find no dedicated services for children living with autism. As a result, they may have to join many of the families in Yellowknife who have had no choice but to leave the North for other jurisdictions throughout Canada and go where dedicated services exist.

My research shows that all provinces in Canada support dedicated services to children living with autism. If we had even a portion of these services available, either through the GNWT or a private provider, we would be able to help families remain in their home communities, including Yellowknife.

I know of some specialists in the South who would be interested in providing these types of services here in the Northwest Territories. Many of these can be done by distance, with short-term visits here in the Northwest Territories. Education, Culture and Employment could become an active partner when the children reach school age.

Great technology and programs exist. Our system should be able to effectively build upon many of these opportunities for the sake of our children. Good people who want to remain in the Northwest Territories would not have to leave in order to provide quality opportunities for their children if we were to be proactive.

I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Let’s find a way to support our residents and find a way to help them in their homes and their communities. I know it’s the dying days of this Assembly, however, the current Minister of Health and Social Services will continue to be the Minister of Health and Social Services until October. As such, later today I will be asking him to direct his department to do some research and provide some options for consideration by all Members of the 17

Legislative Assembly early in

the life of the next Assembly.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Increased Rate Of Crime In The NWT

Members’ Statements

David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Members have heard numerous statements and questions from me in regard to our justice system, and today I want to continue on with that theme related to root causes.

In May I talked about recidivism and the drastic increase in the number of violent crimes being committed in our territory, often by criminals who are committing a violent offence for the 17

, 18

and sometimes even 30

time. The question I’ve

been getting as an MLA representing a riding here in the city of Yellowknife is: how safe are our streets? When we have an RCMP inspector stating that this past June was the busiest month that the RCMP have had in Yellowknife in the last four years, well, that’s a very disturbing situation for me, and I really do believe that the government has got to be paying attention. A night out in downtown Yellowknife on a Friday or Saturday night should not end up with a person getting swarmed, jumped, robbed, or assaulted.

Again, the root causes of this increase in violent crime in our community are drug and alcohol related. Everybody knows that. As a government, what exactly are we going to do about that? We

spend well over $70 million annually in providing services and programs in the areas of corrections and policing. Why are we not seeing numbers turning in a positive direction? It is time that we start to measure the success of the programs and services we provide with real numbers.

Key social indicators need to be taken stock of right at the very beginning of the life of a new government. The goal of this incoming government would be to see those key social indicator numbers come down after four years, not go up. This certainly would help lend a level of accountability to a new government.

The bottom line is, business owners, residents, and constituents, and even the RCMP are saying that things are getting worse, not better. It is time that the debate over a government run and operated alcohol and drug rehabilitation centre in the city of Yellowknife is resurrected. Could the root causes of crime in our community be better addressed by a dedicated service centre for addictions? I absolutely think so.

I will have questions for the Minister of Health and Social Services at the appropriate time.

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Increased Rate Of Crime In The NWT

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Emergency Medical Evacuation Policy

Members’ Statements

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Over the summer a very interesting and serious concern came forward to my office. It was the issue of emergency medical pick-up of a person who was at a well-known northern lodge. We all have heard about the government preaching for years about how important it is to get active and be active, to ensure that we live healthy lifestyles and stay healthy as long as possible. This occasion was clearly no different than matching one of those wonderful campaigns about being active. However, during this outing a serious respiratory problem became the highlight of the occasion and overtook this fun event, becoming a serious priority of this family.

These types of priorities... I don’t have to lecture this House, as everyone knows when it’s a respiratory issue it can be life or death. So unable to completely gauge the seriousness of this medical emergency, they did what every other normal person would do: they called for help. The call for help went out. To their surprise their call, though heard in the sense of the communication sense, was denied any type of support. The reason being that they are not at a health centre. So they were told to find their own way in for services.

It only seems to reason that not everyone can be sick at a health centre. It only seems to reason that not everyone can be sick or seriously ill in a community that has an ambulance service. So to be clear, the seriousness of the call was heard, but the issue came down to the fact that you were not in a community that had a health centre so you have to figure it out on your own.

After hearing this serious concern, I brought it to our Health Minister , who was actually well versed on this particular situation. Unusual as it is, the policy says you’re on your own.

Today during question period I will have some questions for the Minister of Health and Social Services to ask how you are going to directly change and update the policy. Because, as Northerners, we take great pride in our traditions and lifestyles of being out on the land. This alone says, wait a minute, you may want to rethink that policy. I will have questions later today.

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Emergency Medical Evacuation Policy

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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Condolences To The Family And Friends Of The Late Jonathan Steven Andre

Members’ Statements

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today with great sadness and a heavy heart to pay homage to one of our own. Our own Gwich’in boxer Jonathan Steven Andre. Jonathan was born to May and James Andre on March 30, 1980, in Teetlìt Zheh, which is Fort McPherson. His grandparents, John and Rachel Robert of Teetlìt Zheh and Anthony and Carol Andre of Tsiigehtchic.

Jonathan’s early life was one of turmoil and trouble. He had battled with drugs and alcohol, and with violence and anger. However, in the last decade, much to everyone’s surprise and happiness, Jonathan turned his life around.

In 2007 he left home to move to Yellowknife where he began training as a boxer. It was in Yellowknife where he met Andrea, the love of his life. Jonathan and Andrea later moved to Edmonton where he later joined the Cougar Boxing Club and where he had a great amateur career where he won 22 out of 29 fights, including back to back Alberta Provincial Junior Middleweight titles in 2008 and 2009.

Jonathan turned pro in October 2010 where he had a record of two wins, no losses, and where he was very competitive.

Jonathan was well known and respected for his work ethic and his quiet and respective demeanour. Mr. Speaker, it was apparent that he had high ambitions and was also highly regarded in the boxing community. If you met Jonathan, you’d know him to be a calm and reserved young man who was very considerate of whoever he met. While

Jonathan was a gentleman outside the ring, he was also known as a fierce competitor as he took his training seriously.

Jonathan worked for the Edmonton Break and Clutch in which he was looking forward to returning home to Teetlìt Zheh, Fort McPherson, and to partake in the Midway Lake Music Festival. He was going to speak to the youth about how he turned his life around and how they can also do the same thing.

Mr. Speaker, he credits his family, his faith, and his girlfriend for helping him strengthen his life.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to complete my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Condolences To The Family And Friends Of The Late Jonathan Steven Andre

Members’ Statements

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, colleagues. On Sunday, June 26, 2011, Jonathan was struck and killed by a speeding car as he walked across 118

Avenue in Edmonton.

Thirty-one years old, way too early for his time.

Jonathan was survived by his parents, James and May; his sister, Jayda; his nephew, Liam; his brother, Fraser; and his love, Andrea.

Jonathan was very proud of who he was and where he came from, proud to be Gwich’in, proud to be from Teetlìt Zheh. Jonathan Steven Andre was laid to rest in Teetlit Zheh on Sunday, July 2

. He was

our Gwich’in boxer and we are all so proud of him. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Condolences To The Family And Friends Of The Late Jonathan Steven Andre

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Item 4, reports of standing and special committees. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Committee Report 6-16(6): Standing Committee On Government Operations Report On The Review Of Bill 10: Northwest Territories Heritage Fund Act

Reports of Standing and Special Committees

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Your Standing Committee on Government Operations is pleased to report on its review of Bill 10, Northwest Territories Heritage Fund Act , and commends it to the House.

Introduction

The Standing Committee on Government Operations is pleased to report on its review of Bill 10, Northwest Territories Heritage Fund Act. The bill would establish a Heritage Fund for the present and future residents of the Northwest Territories, to extend the benefit of today’s economic development and resource development for future generations.

The bill sets up the framework for investing funds allocated to it by the Legislative Assembly. Those savings will become the principal of the fund, which are permanent contributions. Only gains on the principal can be withdrawn, and such withdrawals cannot begin for at least 20 years.

Bill 10 received second reading in the Legislative Assembly on March 10, 2011, and was referred to the Standing Committee on Government Operations for review. The review began May 19, 2010, with opening comments from the Minister of Finance . The committee then held a public hearing in Yellowknife on May 20

, and a public clause-by-

clause review on August 12, 2011.

Support for the Bill and Recommendations from the Public

All submissions to the committee supported the creation of the Northwest Territories Heritage Fund, and included thoughtful suggestions for strengthening the bill. The committee received oral and written submissions from:

• Canadian Federation of Independent Business;

• Pembina Institute;

• West Point First Nation;

• Ecology

North;

and

• Alternatives

North.

In addition, a written submission was received from Weledeh MLA Bob Bromley . The committee thanks all those who contributed their time and effort to this important initiative for the people of the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, at this time I`d like to pass the floor over to my colleague and member of Government Ops, MLA Abernethy for Great Slave. Thank you.

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Committee Report 6-16(6): Standing Committee On Government Operations Report On The Review Of Bill 10: Northwest Territories Heritage Fund Act

Reports of Standing and Special Committees

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Abernethy .

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Committee Report 6-16(6): Standing Committee On Government Operations Report On The Review Of Bill 10: Northwest Territories Heritage Fund Act

Reports of Standing and Special Committees

Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The majority of the submissions agreed on the following:

1) The act should describe the purpose of the fund

as ensuring continuing benefits to current and future NWT residents from revenue generated by the development of non-renewable resources;

2) The act should specify what Heritage Fund

withdrawals can be used for;

3) The act should set a fixed annual percentage of

defined revenue sources for deposit into the Heritage Fund;

4) More than 10 years is required for funds to

accumulate before any withdrawals (at least 20 years was the most common suggestion);

5) The fund and projects it contributes to should be

free from political interference; and

6) The fund should be managed at arm’s length

from government.

Half the submissions also recommended that the Heritage Fund be invested ethically, with standards for doing so described in the act.

One intervener suggested that one goal of the Heritage Fund should be to minimize future tax increases.

One submission advised that the Heritage Fund should be able to issue government-guaranteed bonds in which the public could invest.

Committee members carefully considered all this input, including the need for transparency and regular reporting to the public on the management and performance of the fund. The committee shared the Minister’s view that the cost of managing the fund in its early years be kept to a minimum in order to maximize returns.

Balancing public feedback and practical necessities, committee members brought five amendments forward at the public clause-by-clause review on August 12, 2011:

1. Describing the purpose of the fund as providing

benefits from ongoing economic development, including the development of non-renewable resources;

Mr. Speaker, I`ll now pass over the final reading of the report to my colleague Mr. Hawkins .

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Committee Report 6-16(6): Standing Committee On Government Operations Report On The Review Of Bill 10: Northwest Territories Heritage Fund Act

Reports of Standing and Special Committees

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Committee Report 6-16(6): Standing Committee On Government Operations Report On The Review Of Bill 10: Northwest Territories Heritage Fund Act

Reports of Standing and Special Committees

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and thank you, Mr. Abernethy .

2. Ensuring that

Section 96 (as well as Sections

89, 97 and 100, as originally proposed) of the Financial Administration Act applies to the Heritage Fund, providing for properly detailed annual reports, tabled in the House;

3. Extending the “no withdrawal” period from 10

years to 20 years;

4. Providing for a committee review of the

Northwest Territories Heritage Fund Act every 10 years, and determining that the first review should include:

a. An examination of the operation of the act;

b. Recommendations respecting how to obtain

public input on the expenditures to be made from the fund;

c. Recommendations respecting independent

oversight and management of the Heritage Fund; and

d. Recommendations

respecting

any

amendments that should be made to the act;

and

5. Establishing the Northwest Territories Heritage

Fund Act only be amended by a special two-thirds majority of Members of the Legislative Assembly.

The Minister of Finance concurred with all the amendments except the final one. Thus, the first four amendments are included in the bill as referred to the Assembly for consideration in Committee of the Whole. The Standing Committee on Government Operations appreciates the Minister’s cooperation in the development of this historic bill.

Additional Comments and Recommendations

Members of the Standing Committee on Government Operations agree with the Minister of Finance that the Northwest Territories Heritage Fund Act, while a major step forward, represents a `bare-bones` framework for investment. It will be the job of future Assemblies to flesh out the act and regulations to ensure sufficient public input and accountable, independent management when the time is right. It will also be the job of future Assemblies to allocate money to the fund. Growth of the fund will be a significant challenge in the next several years. However, once the Heritage Fund is established, NWT residents will expect to see deposits made, even if they are modest.

Mr. Speaker, I have three recommendations.

Recommendation 1

The Standing Committee on Government Operations recommends that the 17

Legislative Assembly Standing Committee on Rules and Procedures strongly consider adding the automatic referral of the annual report of the Northwest Territories Heritage Fund to the terms of reference to the appropriate standing committee.

Recommendation 2

The Standing Committee on Government Operations recommends that the government draft regulations for the operation of the Heritage Fund and refer them to the appropriate standing committee for review and feedback in a timely manner.

Recommendation 3

The Standing Committee on Government Operations recommends that the Caucus of the 17

Legislative Assembly establish a process

convention to facilitate the referral of a limited category of regulations to standing committee for review and comment prior to their final enactment.

Mr. Speaker, that now brings me to the motion.

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Motion To Receive Committee Report 6-16(6) And Move Into Committee Of The Whole, Carried

Reports of Standing and Special Committees

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Great Slave , that Committee Report 6-16(6) be received by the Assembly and moved into Committee of the Whole for further consideration.

Mr. Speaker, thank you very much.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Motion is on the floor. Motion is in order. To the motion.

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Some Hon. Members

Question.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Question is being called.

---Carried

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Motion To Receive Committee Report 6-16(6) And Move Into Committee Of The Whole, Carried

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Committee Report 6-16(6) will be moved into Committee of the Whole for further consideration.

Item 5, returns to oral questions. Item 6, recognition of visitors in the gallery.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Colleagues, I would like to direct your attention to the presence in the visitors’ gallery of our Chief Electoral Officer, Mr.

David Brock; Deputy Chief Electoral Officer Nicole Latour-Theede; and the returning officers for each of the electoral districts in the Northwest Territories: Phoebe Parent, Deh Cho; Shauna Morgan, Frame Lake; Tessie Gonzales, Hay River North, and a constituent of mine; Heather Coakwell, Hay River South; Arlene Hansen, Inuvik Boot Lake; Juanita Bourque, Inuvik Twin Lakes; Mary Beauchamp, Kam Lake; Daryn Erigaktuak, Mackenzie Delta; Harriet Koyina, Monfwi; Deborah Stipdonk; Nahendeh, Molly Nogasak, Nunakput; Marjolaine Larocque, Range Lake; Margrit Minder, Sahtu; Margo Harney, Thebacha; Tony Lafferty, Tu Nedhe; Pam Dunbar, Weledeh; Gazira Chan, Yellowknife Centre; and Pat Thagard, Yellowknife South.

I hope I got those names right or didn’t do too badly on the spellings. Welcome to the Assembly.

I would also like to recognize in the Assembly today the Speaker from the Ontario Legislature, Mr. Steve Peters, and his executive assistant, Maggie Head. Welcome to the Assembly.

The honourable Member for Monfwi , Mr. Lafferty .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to recognize Ms. Deborah Stipdonk, a resident of Fort Simpson. Welcome to

the gallery. As well as Ms. Gazira Chan, a former resident of Fort Simpson. Welcome. Mahsi.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . I think I missed one name when I was calling out the returning officers: Brenda Kolson from Great Slave.

The honourable Member for Thebacha , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It gives me great pleasure to recognize and acknowledge a very good returning officer, a fine lady and a friend, Margo Harney.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Abernethy .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to recognize a constituent and the returning officer for the Great Slave riding, Ms. Bren Kolson.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It’s not too often we get to recognize constituents from our communities. I’d like to recognize Arlene Hansen. And we can say this time there will be an election in Inuvik Boot Lake.

---Laughter

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Jacobson .

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just like the Premier said, it’s not too often we get people from our home communities. I’d like to welcome Molly Nogasak from my home of Tuktoyaktuk.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Jacobson . The honourable Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. Robert McLeod .

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to recognize a former constituent of Inuvik Twin Lakes who is also the returning officer. She didn’t move out of the riding; they actually moved the line. So welcome Juanita Bourque. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to recognize a number of people today over here on the left side of the gallery. We have a number of residents of Northland who are here to observe the proceedings: Cheryl Fountain and her daughter Rhiannon Hoddinott; Rebecca Alty; Vivian Hansen; Wade Friesen; and Celeste Coomber. You will note that some of them are young, and some of them are very young, and some of them are not so young.

I’d also like to recognize the returning officer for Frame Lake, Shauna Morgan. Welcome everyone.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to recognize a few members in the gallery at this time. I think they’re still up there. First of all, I recognize my constituency assistant who is a constituent of Yellowknife Centre and that would be Maud Robinson-Spence. As well as, I think, flanked somewhere up there I am recognized not as the MLA but also as the father; my two children are up there somewhere: McKinley Hawkins and Hudson Hawkins. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Michael McLeod .

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would also like to recognize the returning officer from the Deh Cho, Phoebe Parent. She has, I believe, been the returning officer for every one of the three times that I’ve run for an election, so hopefully the fourth time will be the charm. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Mr. Speaker, I’d be remiss if I did not take this opportunity to recognize a Hay River South constituent, as well, the returning officer for Hay River South, Ms. Heather Coakwell, and a long-time friend and educator in Hay River, Ms. Tessie Gonzales.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize the returning officer from Tu Nedhe, Tony Lafferty.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to also recognize the returning officer for Weledeh, a lady who has served in that capacity a number of times, I believe, Ms. Pam Dunbar.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to recognize also the lovely returning officer from the Sahtu, Margrit Minder. I’d also like to recognize from this past summer a CANOL 50-mile hiker, Tia Hanna, from the Northland residents in Yellowknife.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . If we have missed anyone in the gallery today, welcome to the Chamber. I hope you’re enjoying the

proceedings. It’s always nice to have an audience in here.

Item 7, acknowledgements. Item 8, oral questions. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 145-16(6): Funding For Food Mail Program

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I talked about the Nutrition North Program under the federal government’s responsibility and what type of a disaster our northern consumers are facing today as they used to operate the Food Mail Program. I want to ask this government, I don’t know which, maybe the Premier or the Minister who is responsible under the Food Mail Program, what types of monitoring initiatives are done to monitor the food costs in our small communities so that we are well informed as to how the new subsidies are being applied.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Minister responsible for Finance , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There are a number of ways that monitoring is done, some not specifically related to the Food Mail Program, as we look at our consumer price index to the food basket issue. We’ve committed, as well, to track the cost of food and the cost of living in the small communities tied into the electrical rate review.

Our role in the Food Mail Program is very modest. We were given about 390-some-thousand dollars through Health Canada to do nutrition education. Those are some of the areas where we’re involved and some of the monitoring that is done. Thank you.

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, what I’m receiving as some of the complaints from the constituents are that the contract between the Northwest Company and the Nutrition North Program is that the retail store is not so concerned about the diet that’s supposed to be provided under the program for the residents; it’s more concerned with the bottom line profit. So the type of monitoring that this government is responsible for, how is it that this government is educating people on nutrition and northern healthy foods when we can’t even get them in our communities?

If we do get them, they’re either spoiled rotten or they cost too damn much for people to buy. How is it that this government is telling the Northwest Company you need to have nutritional food here and some of those products are not getting in there? And if they are, they go bad after one day on the shelf.

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Michael Miltenberger

Minister of Finance

The Member has to keep in mind that this is a federal program. It

is an important program. There are concerns with it and I appreciate the Member’s concern, and we have the same concern that the savings that accrue to the retailers are not being passed on to the consumers. We still have a great interest in proper diet. Our whole focus on prevention, Get Active campaigns, proper nutrition to do with healthy eating, diabetes, all these other things are still critical pieces of the education that we can’t turn our back on. We have a small fiscal role with the funding from the federal government, but this is, first and foremost, a federal program.

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

I understand it’s the program. You look on the website, it is a federal program. However, this government here has tied itself to it by signing the contribution agreement to educate the public on healthy foods in our small communities. What advice has this government to date provided to the federal government to make sure the Freight Subsidy Program for food works for the people in the Northwest Territories? What I’m hearing right now is that in the Northwest Territories the freight subsidy isn’t working and we’re paying about 20 bucks for freight for five or 10 pounds of potatoes. Where’s the education part?

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Michael Miltenberger

Minister of Finance

The education component focuses a lot on the personal choices of what’s available, what choices to make if you have a choice between healthy foods, vegetables, versus pop and chips. This is a program that has its flaws. It is a program that is of concern in all northern communities, and I will commit to the Member that they will have an opportunity here probably next week to pass on concerns when I get a chance to have a conversation with the Minister. Minister Aglukkaq knows this very well since she is from Nunavut, that there are challenges to meet with this program.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. People in my communities are not dumb. They know that they want to give healthy foods, healthy options to their children. When you have four litres of milk at $12.56 in Tulita, milk here in Yellowknife is $4.99, that’s an increase of about 80 percent. If we have oranges at $8.35 a kilogram in Tulita and $3 a kilogram in Yellowknife, that’s a 178 percent increase.

Can the Minister commit that this program will change so that people in our small communities can buy healthy foods? We are not so dumb that we’re going to raise children on pop and chips and chocolate bars. Enough of this. Our choices are very limited, to one store. The federal government needs to get the message: buy the healthy foods or don’t do it at all.

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Michael Miltenberger

Minister of Finance

This is a complex issue and the Member has touched on a

lot of issues. I agree that the program is flawed. It has shortcomings. We’re not in a position, since this is a federal program, to make changes to it. We can provide our concerns to the Minister. As Health Minister and having been Health Minister now for over five years, one of the messages that I’ve constantly made is that Northerners have to look after their diet, exercise, don’t smoke, and don’t drink. Those four things alone from the personal choices would have a great benefit to their health. The issue that the Member is talking about on this food program, I agree. I will follow up with the federal Minister.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 146-16(6): Mental Health Strategy For Dealing With Trauma

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Earlier in my Member’s statement I spoke about trauma and how it affects families in our northern territory. We do have many different programs available such as alcohol, substance abuse, et cetera. I’d like to ask the Minister of Health and Social Services if there is a coordinated strategy to help the families out there suffering, and individuals, with regard to improving their mental health and well-being. Some will go to addictions counselling and sometimes it’s not enough and there are other aspects affecting their lives. Has there been a coordinated approach or something similar to look at this area which I feel is lacking?

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Minister responsible for Health and Social Services , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There is, in the government, Health and Social Services has a Mental Health and Addictions Program that we’re looking at that’s been developed over the years, that has evolved. There is another report that’s following up on the state of emergency, and state, of course, the reviews that were done of the Addictions and Mental Health Program. At the same time, most of the other practitioners, social workers, nurses all have some training to deal with the issue of trauma. The issue of trauma is a very wide one. There could be physical trauma; there could be very specific types of other trauma.

We have some capacity to deal with those issues. We do provide those to one degree or another.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

I just wonder if there’s anybody in the department who is taking a coordinated approach and applying a medical concept to the word “trauma,” because we’ve got many, many issues in the North. The most recent, of course, is the residential school symptoms and syndromes. However, it’s as a result of trauma that leads to

alcoholism and family abuse. It’s prevalent throughout families, affecting children and their ability to go to school. Is there a coordinated approach to mental health and wellness? It seems we have individual programming, and Members in this House speak to it often on individual different programming.

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Michael Miltenberger

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There is a coordinated approach. There are these broad programs, mental health and addictions programs, and all the other programs that are flowed through the various health boards. Each health board then in turn delivers those programs at a community level with the resources they have available with some common standards. There is a significant amount of work that was done in how addictions workers were going to get paid and what type of job descriptions. Mental health workers, community health workers, wellness workers.

We’ve invested a significant amount of money in this area, and I agree with the Member that it is a significant area and still there is work that needs to be done. We’re just waiting for the last final report to see about what suggested changes are needed for this program to continue to evolve.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

I’d like to know as well as our health professionals out there, is that specific to their job description, trauma, and/or is there training available to them?

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Michael Miltenberger

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There is a range of training that’s available. Of course, the more detailed the training as you move up the ladder in terms of those qualifications with degrees, psychologists, psychiatrists, those type of things where you’re going to specialize in addictions all require additional work. Depending on the job and the job qualifications, that range will apply, and some are entry level and some are more advanced. They cover that whole range of experience that the Member is referring to.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final supplementary, Mr. Menicoche .

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. The funding that’s available to the small and remote communities for health and wellness is about $5,000 and it’s usually specifically targeted to alcohol or substance abuse. This is what I was speaking about when I talked about a community-driven program that they want to see. It’s often limited. Is there a way that the Minister will look at loosening some of those guidelines and provide alternative and specific trauma available to the communities?

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Michael Miltenberger

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As we have this dialogue in the House, I have staff making note, and I will commit to the Member that we will have discussions with the Health and Social Services Authority in Simpson to look at some of the concerns and possibly follow up for further

clarification from the Member so that we can look at the right areas and to give the appropriate response to the Member.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Abernethy .

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Question 147-16(6): Support For Children Living With Autism

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are for the Minister of Health and Social Services and follow up on my Member’s statement from earlier today where I asked that the Minister direct his department to do some research and provide some options for consideration by all Members of the 17

Assembly with respect to

autism programming in the Northwest Territories. Currently, there is nothing dedicated to children with autism, and I think with the increasing rates of autism, it’s time that we take that proactive step and implement some programs for northern children here in the North with autism.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The honourable Minister responsible for Health and Social Services , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 147-16(6): Support For Children Living With Autism

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The issue of autism, as the Member indicates, is one where there is a concern. There are a significant number of individuals affected. As we plan for our transition into the 17

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each department, including Health, will be pulling together the list of issues to be considered and priorities to be addressed, and this will be on that list as decisions are made to look at what’s possible with the resources that are available.

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Question 147-16(6): Support For Children Living With Autism

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

I’m quite pleased to hear that autism and programs in the North for autistic children will be on the transition document going into the 17

Assembly. What I was asking is that

the Minister is going to be the Minister for the next couple of months, regardless of the election. There’s a great opportunity for the Minister to direct his staff to start doing some research into the alternate programs that exist in southern Canada. Every jurisdiction in this country offers programming for autistic children except the Northwest Territories. I’m asking that he in the interim have his department start doing the research and pulling together some facts and information and preparing some quality analysis of what’s out there so that we or the future 17

Assembly can make some

informed decisions on autism programming here in the Northwest Territories.

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Question 147-16(6): Support For Children Living With Autism

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Some of that work is already being done or has been done at headquarters. It is an issue that I, as well, am familiar with. I do have recollections of dealing with

it when I was Minister previously. I’ll commit to the Member that that information update is available.

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

I look forward to receiving an update on the research that they’ve already done.

Once again, this is an incredibly changing field. More information is coming forward all the time. We’re learning new things about autism. New programs are being developed. I’m asking the Minister to go out and research some of the new programs that exist. I know that in Alberta they’re doing very proactive and productive things. I’d like the Minister to commit to having...

I did provide the Minister, as an example, with a large list of programs that are offered in Alberta, and I would like the Minister to have his department look into those programs and provide a bit of analysis on what aspects of those programs might be doable here in the Northwest Territories, given our limited financial situation, and which ones can and can’t. I’m looking forward to a commitment from the Minister to actually look at some of the program areas that I did provide to him.

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Question 147-16(6): Support For Children Living With Autism

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

As I indicated, there is some work being done, and I do thank the Member for all the work that he did pull together. Of equal importance, I believe, and I know that there are very many capable people that I know who are dealing with autism with family members, that I think of equal value would be to find out what kind of supports could be put in place within the resources available to assist them. I know that over the years they’ve done an incredible amount of good work. Just on their own, often with little or no support from government, and they’ve amassed a very, very valuable amount of information and experience. It would be helpful to see how things could be done better in the North.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final supplementary, Mr. Abernethy .

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Question 147-16(6): Support For Children Living With Autism

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I agree with the Minister. There are a lot of good things that some of the private citizens of this territory have done. We still have citizens who are looking for services in the Northwest Territories and they’re not finding anything that suits their child’s needs.

I did provide the Minister -- as I indicated in my last question -- a large list of different program areas that are new, and unique, and cutting edge in Alberta. I know that some of these organizations would be willing to come up here and help. I am just asking the Minister to commit in his reviewing, to actually contact some of these organizations, and have some of these organizations and his department look at some of the alternatives that exist that may not have existed when they did their original analysis. It’s a simple question. Will he commit to having his department look at some of these alternatives? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 147-16(6): Support For Children Living With Autism

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

I was under the impression that I committed to two things: to look at the information that the Member provided, as well of equal importance to look at what Northerners have learned and what experiences they have amassed and the things they have been able to do in a very, very effective way here in the North. I think there should be a combination of the two. So, yes, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 147-16(6): Support For Children Living With Autism

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 148-16(6): Public Housing Rent Scale

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. In my Member’s statement I spoke of policies of the Housing Corporation that need to change to provide work incentives and try to develop some sort of market in small, rural and remote communities. Mr. Speaker, I’d like to ask the Minister if the Housing Corporation is going to be working on some sort of policy, or if he’s going to be directing the corporation to actually make changes in the rent scale to provide work incentives on reviews that are being done by the corporation now. Thank you.

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Question 148-16(6): Public Housing Rent Scale

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The honourable Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation , Mr. Robert McLeod .

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Question 148-16(6): Public Housing Rent Scale

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As Members know, there’s been a lot of work done on the Shelter Policy Review in the last little bit. Part of that review was looking at the rent scale. I have met with committee. I’ve given a bit of an update on some of the work that’s been done. I can inform this House that the rent scale review, for the most part, has been completed. We are hoping to use a lot of the data and some recommendations in there in the transition document to the 17

Legislative Assembly. Thank you.

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Question 148-16(6): Public Housing Rent Scale

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Because it’s very important to communities and it’s something that the communities have complained about frequently over the last several years, I’d like to ask the Minister when he anticipates that there will be some sort of positive impacts of the rent scale in as far as developing work incentives. I mean, it’s not really the corporation’s responsibility to develop work incentives, to remove these incentives from the rent scale for working. Thank you.

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Question 148-16(6): Public Housing Rent Scale

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

I believe a lot of the work done on the rent scale review goes a long way in addressing some of the concerns that have been raised by Members of the Legislative Assembly and folks across the Territories. I think folks, for the most part, will be pleased with some of the information that will be coming out.

Again, because it’s such a major decision and one that requires a little more work, I think it would be

best if it were put into a transition document as part of the 17

Legislative Assembly, and they can have

a look at it and determine how early they want to roll this thing out. But most of the work has been done and, again, the decision, because it’s a major policy shift, would be one that would be made early in the 17

Legislative Assembly. Thank you.

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Question 148-16(6): Public Housing Rent Scale

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

The Public Housing Program for the most part should essentially be a stock program that helps people in a certain state of their life. If the government is directing staff or putting in a transitional document removing the disincentives to work, then will this government or will this Minister direct staff to further develop a process so that public housing people can easily transition into homeownership? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 148-16(6): Public Housing Rent Scale

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

That is one of our goals: to work with the tenants in public housing and make the transition into homeownership as seamless as possible. We are hoping with all the new information... We are just completing the evaluation of the Housing Choices Program, which some recommendations again will be made early in the life of the 17

Assembly. I think, all in all, Mr.

Speaker, a lot of good work has been done that has been addressing a lot of concerns that were raised in this House with motions passed. We’ve heard in every community that we’ve travelled to about some of their concerns. I think the new document will go a long way to answering a lot of questions and coming up with solutions, a lot of concerns that people have. Thank you.

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Question 148-16(6): Public Housing Rent Scale

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final, short supplementary, Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 148-16(6): Public Housing Rent Scale

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. As a representative from a small community, we were seeing one program in the Housing Corporation, the programs, I’m sorry in the Housing Corporation, are there to address all the housing concerns across the Territories, whether you live in a larger centre like Yellowknife, Hay River, or Fort Smith. That same program is used to address the issues in small communities. I would like to ask the Minister if in the transition document, the Minister could ensure that there is a different set of programs for small communities versus larger communities contemplated for the next government. Thank you.

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Question 148-16(6): Public Housing Rent Scale

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

That would be part of the Housing Choices Evaluation Program, if there is a difference in small communities versus small communities. As I said, it’s an evaluation we are undertaking right now. We are expecting to have -- as I said in committee the other day -- a preliminary report hopefully done by the end of our term here. So we are still available. We would be able to have a quick glance at it, and it would be a transition document and recommendations to the 17

Assembly. Thank you.

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Question 148-16(6): Public Housing Rent Scale

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Before I go to the next Member, I’d like to recognize in the gallery the presence of the chief from Behchoko, Mr. Clifford Daniels.

The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Jacobson .

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Question 149-16(6): Housing Resources In Nunakput

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today my Member’s statement was regarding the housing situation in Nunakput. Mr. Speaker, is the government allocating necessary resources for Nunakput to get our fair share in housing resource dollars with regard to the upkeep and the units in the communities? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 149-16(6): Housing Resources In Nunakput

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Jacobson . The honourable Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation , Mr. Robert McLeod .

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Question 149-16(6): Housing Resources In Nunakput

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We try very hard to distribute the resources for housing fairly across the Northwest Territories. I think if we add up the numbers, we’ll find the smaller communities get a higher average of money than some of the larger communities. I know in the Member’s community alone, Paulatuk, the one he referenced, this year there was a $2 million investment in the community. That’s with the homeownership, the MNI work that’s being done. We recognize some of the units need some work, and we’ve been fortunate the last few years that we’ve been able to allocate a lot of funds to some of these smaller communities across the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

It’s good to see $2 million being spent in Paulatuk. But Sachs Harbour has been waiting for a unit since I started my term here three and a half years ago, almost four years ago. Is the Minister going to put in his transition document to the 17

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