Debates of May 29th, 1996

This is page numbers 732 - 780 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was ---agreed .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Wind Generation Initiatives

Minister Absent From The House

Rate Of Pay For Student Summer Employment

Appreciation Of Interpreter/translators

Review Of Report On MLA Compensation

Substance Abuse Among NWT Youth

Amendments To Wildlife Act And Bankruptcy Act

Completion Of Dogrib Power Snare Cascades Hydro Plant

Large Volume Of Information Dealt With Since The General Election

Tribute To Art Sorensen And Civil Servants

Visiting Communities In Nahendeh

Rcmp Sports Award

World No-tobacco Day

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Lnuvik To Tuktoyaktuk All-weather Road

Northern Hiring Provisions Of Bip

Funding For Beaufort/defta Legal Services Clinic

Notification Of Ministers' Travel

Burned-out Light Bulbs In The Chamber

Meetings With Nic Re Decentralization

GNWT Information To Unionized Employees

Solvent Abuse Program For Youth

Meeting With Inuvik Leaders Re Transportation System

Summer Internship Programs For Students

Remuneration Rates For Summer Student Employment

Review Of Education Tax System

Communities

Statistics On Lay-offs Of Affirmative Action Employees

Restrictions On Sale Of Wild Meat In The Nwt

Question 356-i3(3): Contravention Of Bip Hiring Provisions

GNWT Financial Assistance To Victims' Of Crime Services

Recognition Of Commercial Hunting Treaty Rights

Revert To Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Return To Written Question 5-13(3): Education Issues In The Baffin Region

Item 9: Replies To Opening Address

Item 10: Petitions

Committee Report 5-13(3): Government Operations Report On The Third Annual Report (1994-95) Of The Languages Commissioner Of The Nwt

Motion To Receive And Adopt Third Annual Report Of The Languages Commissioner

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Extended Adjournment

Tabling Of Draft Western Constitution

Bill 17: Business Corporations Act

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Bill 12: Legislative Assembly And Executive Council Act, No. 2

To Amend Clause 6 Of Bill 12

To Amend Clause 6 Of Bill 12, CarriedClause 13. Mr. Ootes. Committee Motion 15-13(3): To Amend Clause 13 Of Bill 12

Bill 14: Legislative Assembly And Executive Council Act, No. 3

Bill 6:

An Act To Amend The Education Act, S.n.w.t., 1995, C.28

Bill 15: Statute Revision Act

To Amend Clause 27 Of Bill 15

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Bill 7:

An Act To Amend The Workers' Compensation Act

Bill 8:

An Act To Amend The Income Tax Act

Bill 11: Appropriation Act, 1996-97

Bill 12: Legislative Assembly And Executive Council Act, No. 2

Bill 6:

An Act To Amend The Education Act, S.n.w.t., 1995, C.28

Bill 13: Loan Authorization Act, 1996-97

Bill 14: Legislative Assembly And Executive Council Act, No. 3

Bill 15: Statute Revision Act

Bill 5:

An Act To Amend The Motor Vehicles Act

Assent To Bills

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Hon. Jim Antoine , Hon. Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Hon. Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Hon. Samuel Gargan , Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Hon. John Todd

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Good afternoon. Orders of the day, item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 77-13(3): Wind Generation Initiatives

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to advise the Legislature of recent initiatives which may see the addition of wind generation in more Arctic communities.

New technology, more stringent environmental conditions, sustained high fuel costs and emerging business interests are creating this opportunity. It is time for the NWT Power Corporation to make its commitment to proving that wind energy can be a viable part of the North's power supply.

The corporation is developing business arrangements in several communities with aboriginal and private sector investors, and the governments of both the Northwest Territories and Canada.

In Sachs Harbour and lqaluit, the corporation is working with government and aboriginal interests to install and evaluate 50-kilowatt wind turbines. Talks are also under way with private sector investors for similar installations in Rankin Inlet and Cambridge Bay.

In Coppermine, the corporation will fund two 80-kilowatt turbines which are expected to be on line this fall. And in Yellowknife, the corporation will assist with setting up measuring equipment to evaluate the potential of a wind farm.

Mr. Speaker, where the right weather conditions exist, wind technology can help reduce dependence on diesel generation and create new business. It also offers major environmental savings. The proposed arrangements could see the Power Corporation purchase power at rates that would allow cost recovery and a reasonable return on investment. Even where these rates may be higher than the avoided cost of diesel, the corporation will consider paying a premium in order to advance this new technology.

Mr. Speaker, I also wish to advise the Assembly that an operations unit has been created to focus engineering and planning expertise on wind and other alternative energy projects. The four-person energy utilization group will be headquartered in Hay River and has a two-year mandate. It will assist customers, developers and the corporation in coordinating efforts aimed at making better use of energy technology for all northerners. Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 77-13(3): Wind Generation Initiatives

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' Statement. Mr. Morin .

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Minister's Statement 78-13(3): Minister Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to advise Members that the Honourable Manitok Thompson will be absent from the House today to attend the National Status of Women's Conference in Winnipeg. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 78-13(3): Minister Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Rate Of Pay For Student Summer Employment

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, over the past few days in the House, there have been some discussions and statements concerning wages for summer students. I, for one, am pleased to see that the proposal to reduce said wage scale for students was dropped from the government proposal during the recent collective bargaining negotiations.

Mr. Speaker, if a student is hired to replace a worker, that student will be judged on the abilities that they bring to the job and thus will be remunerated as such. They should not be penalized for being a student because, at the end of the day, the more money the student makes the less money that student will need from the GNWT in the form of grants and other financial help. It would also help the student in the debt load they will have to carry to pursue their academic or vocational training. Mr. Speaker, I see no problem with this.

We have to realize that the GNWT, by hiring students for summer replacement at the designated rate for said occupation, will not only monetarily help the student, but will also give the individual a sense of worth in the occupation they are employed at. Our community was quick to react in early March when it was learned that the students may be paid less. Several parents and students contacted me because they had anticipated working for the GNWT and thus the anticipated pay to be received would help offset the cost of post- secondary education to the students and parents.

By dropping the rates, some Members have alluded to the idea that this would stimulate the government hiring more students. But, if, for example, the government only has 12 available positions to be filled for summer relief, are we going to invent extra positions to place students because we've lowered the student employment salary rate? 1 don't think so. In the private sector world, there may be an opportunity to hire more students when the salary rates are lower, but that is out of the context of decreasing the rates for summer hires by the GNWT.

I congratulate the government for dropping the proposal to lower student rates for the reasons I have just mentioned. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Rate Of Pay For Student Summer Employment

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Picco . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Appreciation Of Interpreter/translators

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to say thank you that I was able to participate during session, and especially to the interpreter/translators who worked exceptionally hard. I am the only unilingual Member in this House; there are three of them at times who translate all the material and interpret during the House. I wish to thank the interpreter/translators. Thank you.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Review Of Report On MLA Compensation

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Speaker, one of the few items remaining for consideration in Committee of the Whole is the report on MLA compensation. Mr. Speaker, with the support of my fellow Members, I had placed this item back on the order paper and this was in response to concerns raised by some of my constituents that there had not been enough public debate on this item.

When the report on the MLA compensation was tabled by the Speaker, we realized there were many issues which needed to be discussed. These included both monetary and non-monetary items. It was clear we would need time to look carefully at the recommendations and how they fit in with the new way the Assembly has been operating. As a Caucus, we agreed that it was important to make some decisions quickly. In order to lead by example, we decided to approach our compensation by dealing with the big monetary items: salaries, indemnities and pensions.

We cut our salary and indemnities by seven per cent and we eliminated the supplementary pension plan, cutting our pensions by 60 per cent and bringing them in line with other people working as part of the government.

Mr. Speaker, my colleagues and I do not feel that we would be doing justice to the work that went into this report or to the concerns of our constituents about a public discussion if we were to rush this report through today on the last day of the House business before the summer. Instead, we intend to take time over the summer, hearing the concerns and suggestions of our constituents on the MLA compensation report. When we return in October, we can deal with this report in the House, giving it the time and attention that it deserves. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Henry .

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Substance Abuse Among NWT Youth

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Many of us are no doubt aware there is a major problem with substance abuse among our youth in the NWT. This is reflective of the problem with substance abuse in the NWT overall. As the society of tomorrow will be built on today's youth, it is imperative that we focus preventative and treatment programs for our youth.

In the current fiscal climate of restraints and cutbacks, it is inevitable that choices have to be made as to which programs and services will be funded. It is also imperative that programs be coordinated to get the most efficient outcome for the money spent. Because funding for some programs such as youth solvent abuse has been provided by the federal government, access to treatment has been restricted to youth of aboriginal descent. This has neglected the needs of youth of non-aboriginal descent who are equally at risk from substance abuse.

By focusing on all youth under the umbrella of community wellness, we will be investing in the future of the NWT by providing the necessary services to our youth affected by substances, drug and alcohol abuse. I will be asking questions of the Minister of Health later on today, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Substance Abuse Among NWT Youth

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Henry . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Krutko .

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Amendments To Wildlife Act And Bankruptcy Act

Item 3: Members' Statements

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My comments are with regard to a statement I made at the beginning of the session as to looking at amendments to the NWT Wildlife Act and also the Bankruptcy Act. Currently, the NWT legislation defines the maximum fine of $1,000 or one year imprisonment, or both.

With regard to

section 83,

section 91 of the act titled 'general punishment,' outlines that the fine not exceed $1,000 or imprisonment of a term not to exceed one year. Because of that, there is inconsistency in the act. I made contacts in the Yukon territory and a

section of their legislation outlines the range from $1,000 to $25,000, depending on the nature of the offence. In discussions with the Yukon government, it is clear that even those amounts are insufficient. The Yukon government is once again looking at updating its legislation and the fines that are in place to date.

I am sure you would agree that wildlife is one of the most valuable resources we have in the North. Not only does it provide an economic base and a food source for many communities, but it is also unique to our northern culture and the way of life. By not increasing these fines, I fear that the NWT will become a prime territory for poachers, illegal hunters and a host of related problems that are associated with that trade which is presently taking place, especially in southern Canada.

I have been in touch with the Minister on the matter, working along with his department, to look at these amendments for the fall session.

With regard to the Bankruptcy Act, I've noted that there is a real discrepancy; especially in the North where we talk about beekeepers and protecting people's cattle, et cetera.

Mr. Speaker, can I ask for unanimous consent to conclude my statement?

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Amendments To Wildlife Act And Bankruptcy Act

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Mackenzie Delta is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement, Mr. Krutko.

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Amendments To Wildlife Act And Bankruptcy Act

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. With regard to the Bankruptcy Act, the way it's drafted, the items do not associate with the North, especially when you look at items such as beekeepers, farms, cattle, et cetera. I would like to, along with my colleagues, have input into this process to consider looking at the lifestyles we live in in the North and protecting items such as hunting, trapping, tools, guns, nets, skidoos and all-terrain vehicles; so when people claim bankruptcy, they are left with items that they can continue on with the lifestyle where they need these accessories to carry out their day-to-day activities, especially in a lot of the smaller communities.

I will continue to work over the summer on these two amendments to have something ready for the fall session. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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Completion Of Dogrib Power Snare Cascades Hydro Plant

Item 3: Members' Statements

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am pleased to advise the Legislature that the Dogrib Power Corporation's Snare Cascades hydro plant has reached a significant stage towards completion. Mr. Speaker, for about 15 minutes on Monday afternoon of this week, the Yellowknife power system received its first energy from this important new facility. The amount of power was small, about one megawatt, but it's important because it marks the first successful test of the plant's full capacity, which will be 4.3 megawatts.

Representatives of the Dogrib Power Corporation and the NWT Power Corporation advise the testing procedure will continue for the next few weeks, leading up to the scheduled completion date of July 1 st. When tests are completed and the plant is declared ready, it will be handed over to the NWT Power Corporation as the operators and maintainers for the next 65 years.

I am also pleased to advise, Mr. Speaker, that this project came within the projected budget of $26.5 million. This project is a partnership of both the Dogrib Nation and the Government of the Northwest Territories. It represents a development that combines the interest and the needs of the aboriginal people of the region and the NWT Power Corporation.

For the customers in Yellowknife, Rae-Edzo and Dettah, it will supply clean, efficient power for decades to come. I know that I speak for all the Dogrib people, as the owners of this plant, and congratulate the planners and builders and those who have helped make this project a reality. I wish them continued success in this completion. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. O'Brien .

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Large Volume Of Information Dealt With Since The General Election

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I look back over the past seven months since our election, I am overwhelmed by the sheer volume of information we have had to deal with in such a short period of time. Since October, we have dealt with 18 pieces of legislation, 30 formal motions, 75 petitions, 85 tabled documents and there were 450 oral questions. In amongst those smaller items, we have examined, reviewed and all but passed a $1.25 billion budget.

I think I speak for all the new Members when I say we are all looking forward to the summer; especially looking forward to letting events and the business of the last few months sink in, as it relates to where we have been and where we are going.

When we first arrived in November for orientation sessions, we knew we had a lot to learn. At this point in time, we have learned most of what we should have, but we still have a ways to go. We certainly aren't as polished as our veteran leaders, the Members across the floor, but we are working on it.

We are now much more comfortable in the House, in our standing committees and in carrying out the business of the Assembly in general. At times, I have looked across the floor at my fellow Members with a bit of envy, as most of these Members had previous experience and already know how the system works. I know they haven't had an easy time, for the most part, as Cabinet Ministers, but at least they have had a fairly easy time dealing with us rookies, given the difficult time with the fiscal situation we find ourselves in, albeit we are glad they didn't have a group of more experienced new Members to deal with.

We now know, for the most part, how the system works and I believe, when we come back in the new session, that the Members across the floor will have a more experienced group of Members to deal with. When it comes to the budget process, we will see that the budget will be much more scrutinized and hopefully better distributed to the smaller communities.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Member for Kivallivik is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? You have unanimous consent, Mr. O'Brien .

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In conclusion, I would like to say that the next budget process will be more scrutinized and that hopefully it will be a lot better distributed amongst the smaller communities. We will be dealing with and focusing on the budget, more from a need standpoint rather than a greed standpoint.

Mr. Speaker, just to inform our honourable colleagues across the floor, the honeymoon is over. Have a good rest this summer and get ready for the next session. Thank you.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. O'Brien . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Tribute To Art Sorensen And Civil Servants

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. At this time, I would like to take the time and opportunity to pay tribute to the many employees who are no longer employees of the government; who, perhaps because of our downsizing, retired or were terminated in the last while.

I feel it is important to thank them because, in many cases, they devoted years of their lives to this government and provided good service to the people of the North. They were a very valuable resource.

Many were people who provided a consistency over the years; a constant we northerners could always count on. I would like to talk a bit about one person. I single him out as a tribute to all the other former employees who should be thanked; and, I single him out only because I know him. It is a person who is responsible for designing and running the government's communications network; Art Sorensen.

Art was a reporter for the Edmonton Journal and a southern group of papers during the late 1960s. He joined the fledgling territorial government in 1971 as chief of public affairs and, through the years, he pursued the Grail of being the communications expert for the government.

For years he crafted the government's messages for public consumption: speeches; government policies; and, news releases, all with impeccable skill. He often had to play the undesirable role of devil's advocate with the Commissioner and Government Leader or Premier of the day; matching wits in order to not offend, being just and yet surviving.

It is significant to note that Art Sorensen could always be counted on to perform his responsibilities with both dedication and good judgement. During 25 years with this government and his service, he did things right and for just reasons.

Last week, his friends and acquaintances came together to celebrate 30 years of contribution, service and achievement. It was also to honour him for who he is --the fibre, the blood and the humour of the man --and to review his lasting contribution to the people of the North and to us, his friends.

It was 25 years ago this month, I had the privilege of hiring Art Sorensen to be the chief of public affairs for this government when I was director of Information.

Now I would like to say a message to Art and to your fellow...

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

I am sorry, Mr. Ootes , your time is up.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Yellowknife Centre is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement, Mr. Ootes .

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Tribute To Art Sorensen And Civil Servants

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 736

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Art, to you and your fellow employees, you are the symbol that built, designed and kept this government operational from those fledgling days through two and a half decades. For me, and I am sure all of us here, I want to thank you for this service.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Antoine .

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Visiting Communities In Nahendeh

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 737

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. (Translation) Today is the last day of our session. Before we prorogue, I would like to say something. We have been sitting for quite a while now and we have covered many different areas. There are a lot of important bills that were passed. Because of that, we are here negotiating bills and working on various matters, all concerning our constituencies.

Whoever elected me to be in this House, I would like them to hear me in their language. There are many people in my constituency who speak their own language. I seldom talk in my own language because the funding for languages have been cut. We are limited on the amount of time we can use language services. This is the reason I wanted to say a short message to my constituents in my own language. There are many things we have worked on here.

In my constituency, I have eight communities. I seldom go to these communities. But when I do get a chance, I will make sure and visit all the communities in my constituency. Ever since I became a Minister, my time has been very limited, but now that we are taking a break, I will take the time to go back to my constituency and visit the communities. Thank you very much.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Antoine . Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I seek consent to return to item 2, Ministers' statements. Thank you.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

unanimous consent to return to item 2, Ministers' statements. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Go ahead, Mr. Ng .

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Minister's Statement 79-13(3): Rcmp Sports Award

Revert To Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 737

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker and honourable colleagues. Mr. Speaker, it is well known through the NWT that RCMP members are among the most active of volunteers contributing to the development of amateur sport in the North. They volunteer as coaches, officials and as organizers of special clinics and courses for coaches and players. They also participate as players in the various sports.

Not just the members, but their families, too, are important participants and volunteers in amateur sport.

I wish to congratulate the RCMP and to express my gratitude to Sport North for giving this much deserved recognition. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Ng .

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Minister's Statement 80-13(3): World No-tobacco Day

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, Friday, May 31st, is World No-Tobacco Day. The World Health Organization theme for this year is "Sport and the Arts Without Tobacco: Play it Tobacco Free."

Our youth in the North are continually bombarded with media from the South; tobacco companies send many unhealthy messages to our youth as they view arts and sports events.

Cancer deaths in the NWT are rising. One of the major causes is tobacco use. Secondhand smoke is a major pollutant in northern homes and communities and is very dangerous to people exposed to it. Every person in the NWT can do something, right now, to prevent death and disease. Smoke-free homes and public places are a start.

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to see partnerships in community based health promotion initiatives like this. All of us must work together towards healthy people, families and communities. Thank you.

---Applause

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Page 737

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Ootes .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 737

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize a number of people who have been working alongside of us for all the time that we've been here, and I'm sure they put in longer hours than we do because they have to leave here and file their reports and do their news items. I would like to recognize from CBC Radio, lan Hanna and Neeve Greg who are in our booth over here; from CKLB, Doug Johnson, who is in a booth in a back room. These people we usually don't see, so I just wanted to recognize them. CJCD, Lillian Au; News/North, Yellowknifer, Jeff Colbourne.

---Applause

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 737

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Point of order. Mr. Krutko .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

In our statement, we talk about recognition of visitors in the gallery. That is the gallery, I believe.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 738

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Krutko , you do have a point of order. Again to remind the Members, the rule is quite specific with regard to recognizing people in the gallery. The purpose is for visitors, dignitaries and whoever wish to be recognized, to seat themselves in the gallery to be recognized. So that's just a friendly reminder.

Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Rabesca .

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Page 738

James Rabesca

North Slave

--Applause

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, for allowing me to take some time for me to do a short announcement in Dogrib, to recognize a very important and respected elder from my constituency. He happens to be my brother-in-law, foremost. As a former chief of the Dogrib Nation, he's in the gallery. His name is Joe Migwi and he's with his wife, Dora. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mahsi. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Roland .

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Question 341-13(3): Lnuvik To Tuktoyaktuk All-weather Road

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 738

Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Over the last couple of days in the House, I've had some questions for the Minister responsible for Transportation . Once again, today I will follow up with more questions to the Minister. With the all-weather road from Inuvik to Tuktoyaktuk, we've discussed the possibility of what type of road this proposal was developed on. Can the Minister give more information on the type of structure in which it was developed? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 738

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister of Transportation , Mr. Antoine .

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Question 341-13(3): Lnuvik To Tuktoyaktuk All-weather Road

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 738

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the request by the residents of Inuvik and the community of Tuktoyaktuk was to have an eventual highway connecting the two communities; as a result of that -- as in the question from the honourable Member for Inuvik -- is that highway.

There have been plans put in place from the studies done in the 1990 report. At that time, the type of road that was contemplated, if it was ever to go ahead, was categorized as a collector. There are different classes of highways and roads important to the Department of Transportation.

The class of arterial is a type of road such as we have on Highways I and 3, leading out of Yellowknife down into the South, where you have an inter-urban type of highway system which is probably the highest class of highways we have in the North. A collector class is the type that will allow access to land and to urban areas, and also has a connection to the arterial class. For example, people know that, in the southern part of the NWT, it would be similar to Highway 6 that connects Fort Resolution to Highway 1.

Finally, we have a local class of highways and roads which is land access, recreation access. An example would be an access road connecting the Paradise Gardens in Hay River and Sandy Lake access. These are the types of classes that the Department of Transportation has. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 738

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Roland .

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Question 341-13(3): Lnuvik To Tuktoyaktuk All-weather Road

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 738

Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would this collector type of road take on heavy traffic such as the transport trucks that are now travelling on the Dempster Highway?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Antoine .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 738

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mr. Speaker, this type of roads would handle these vehicles that are used on the arterial highway. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Supplementary, Mr. Roland .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. With these collector type of roads, are they built with respect to certain speed limits in areas?

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this collector type of road has a design standard with a maximum speed limit of 60 kilometres per hour. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Roland .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 738

Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There was a proposal put forward in the 1990 document that had a road approximately 140 kilometres long. In comparison, what is the distance of the ice road maintained over the winter from Inuvik to Tuktoyaktuk?

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Antoine .

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Question 341-13(3): Lnuvik To Tuktoyaktuk All-weather Road

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 739

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In the 1990 study, there was a report on all-weather road access from Inuvik to Tuktoyaktuk, which considered three alternate routes ranging in length from 140 kilometres to 175 kilometres. According to the study, it was preferred to have the 160-kilometre road for a number of different reasons. The length of the winter road between Inuvik and Tuktoyaktuk is 185 kilometres. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 739

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Steen .

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Question 342-13(3): Northern Hiring Provisions Of Bip

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 739

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Speaker, tendering the contract through the BIP policy does not do the equipment operator any good. He doesn't get hired. By the time the process is through and the contract is over, that is the time you can see whether or not the contractor did hire local people. It doesn't force him to hire local people; it just punishes him if he doesn't. That doesn't put money into equipment operators' pockets. We have heard from Mr. Morin just recently, Mr. Speaker, that we have the highest number of trained equipment operators per capita. That is true.

We will also go through the process of spending a large amount of money training these people further in Fort Smith. We don't seem to be getting any benefit out of it for the equipment operators. There are a number of equipment operators who have been trained for the Beaufort Sea oil and gas projects who are out of work and would be happy to take a seasonal job. That is the other thing about this, Mr. Speaker. These are seasonal jobs and if they don't get the benefits now, these guys are without work all year.

So my question to the Minister of Transportation is how is he intending to put these equipment operators to work before the season is out. How is the contractor going to be made to fulfil that obligation?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister of Transportation , Mr. Antoine .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 739

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Referring to the question of Mr. Ootes yesterday, the reply by the Honourable Stephen Kakfwi was in the Hansard. It was more of a hypothetical type of question in that no names were mentioned. What I have asked the department to do is find out if there is such a situation that exists out there in this year's contracting and try to find out the specifics of this particular situation. If there is such a situation, I have instructed the department to look into it and follow all the different policies and regulations we have to try to resolve the problem, if there is such a problem.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Supplementary, Mr. Steen .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 739

Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, over the last few months, the BIP has been explained to us quite clearly. It doesn't seem to be suggested that this government has any policy in place that would actually require the contractor to hire local equipment operators. It just suggests that if they don't, they don't benefit from the BIP. My point is that it isn't going to be any benefit to the equipment operator. By the time the department does anything about it, the season would be over. Therefore, I would ask the Minister if he would consider, if these people are not hiring local equipment operators, suspending the contractor and letting the Department of Transportation do the job themselves.

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Samuel Gargan

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 739

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the tender documents now, it is very specific on how work has to be carried out. I am very sure that all the very strict conditions are being adhered to. I would be prepared to look at this situation and find out all the details about it and get back to the Member with whatever the department has discovered. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Henry .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was requesting, Mr. Speaker, to return to recognition of visitors in the gallery.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Steen . I have already reminded the Members that while question period is on, we should carry on with question period until it is over. Then we will allow you to have unanimous consent. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Krutko . I am sorry. I said Mr. Steen and it is Mr. Henry .

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Question 343-13(3): Funding For Beaufort/defta Legal Services Clinic

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 739

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Justice regarding a question I raised Tuesday, May 21st, on funding the Beaufort/Delta legal services clinic. At that time, you stated that you were going to be meeting with the Legal Services Board and you were having a board meeting last week. I would like to know what the outcome was and has anything been done with regard to the Beaufort/Delta legal services clinic.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Minister of Justice , Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I indicated to the honourable Member, I advised the Legal Services Board of the concerns that were brought forward by the honourable Member. To date, I haven't had a report

back on what took place during that meeting or the outcome of that meeting, but I will find out and advise the Member accordingly. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister tell me how much time it will take to get back to me on this?

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'll find out possibly this afternoon or early tomorrow morning and get back to him within a few days. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Picco .

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Question 344-13(3): Notification Of Ministers' Travel

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 740

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, with the summer recess upon us, many of the Ministers will be travelling. My question for the Premier : Is there in place a protocol or a policy that the executive informs individual Members when Ministers are travelling to their constituencies? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Premier .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I can assure the Member that if a Minister is travelling specifically to their constituency, the Minister will be in touch with the Member or the Member's staff to make arrangements for when the Minister arrives in their constituency. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 345-13(3): Burned-out Light Bulbs In The Chamber

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 740

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Public Works and Services . In the last seven months, periodically, for a varied number of reasons, I have been inclined to cast my eyes heavenward. I've noticed over the past seven months, we have seven burned- out lights in the ceiling. As the Minister in charge of these important matters, will he be in a position to see if we can find some light bulbs before we come back in October? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 740

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister of Public Works and Services , Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Page 740

Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, I also look up there on occasion, when Members are speaking.

---Laughter

But I will pass on the message to the facilities manager of the government.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. O'Brien .

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Question 346-13(3): Meetings With Nic Re Decentralization

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 740

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Minister responsible for division, Mr. Todd . It is my understanding that the Minister recently met with the Commissioner of NIC in lqaluit. Would the Minister advise this House if discussions included the decentralization of jobs, as this is paramount to the future of both Arviat and Baker Lake? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, my honourable colleague is correct, I did meet with Mr. Amagoalik and some of his staff last Friday, in the late afternoon. I appreciated him taking the time because he had just come out of the hospital and, frankly, he didn't look very well when I saw him, but he did take the time to meet. We did discuss a number of topics as they relate to NIC's workplan that is coming forth over the summer.

I did express to him the concern that was being expressed by my colleague and other colleagues across the Nunavut landscape about the decentralized model and if there would be a continuation of that. He assured me that that was going to be the primary thrust of the second report of NIC, and looked forward to working cooperatively with us to try to finalize the blueprint for a new decentralized Nunavut government on April 1, 1999.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. O'Brien .

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, is there any possibility that the Nunavut Caucus could meet with the Commissioner prior to the end of the summer? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We did indicate at the time that greater cooperation between the GNWT and NIC was essential, particularly as we are only 33

short months away from the dividing of the Territories. I did encourage Mr. Amagoalik that there should be greater contact between the Nunavut Caucus and his group than there has been in the past. I am fairly confident that we'll be able to arrange something prior to the end of summer with the Nunavut Caucus and the NIC to meet and discuss the next stage of the work schedule. Mr. Amagoalik also assured me that he intended to meet with the Premier as quickly as possible on the workplan for the NIC and ourselves, and the need to formalize the cooperative approach that we intend to take in the coming months. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. O'Brien .

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just a point of clarification. Did the Minister state that the Commissioner inferred that the decentralized model is still on the books? Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

I think it's clearly recognized by all parties, whether it's this government or NTI --who are partners to the northern accord -and the federal government, that there is a commitment to determine an appropriate decentralized government. However, in saying that, there is a concern that has been expressed by myself, as the Minister of Finance , and the Cabinet about the fiscal side of things and the paying for a decentralized government.

So the chairperson of the NIC assured me that the next report would be focusing on tightening up the report and, taking into consideration our current fiscal condition, the realignment of some of our departments and some of the changes that we've made in this government; and, at the end of the day, they would still be working towards a decentralized form of government for the new Nunavut government on April 1, 1999. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of FMBS. I was reading The Hub earlier in the day, the newspaper from Hay River. It indicated in there that there are going to be several people from the union coming from down south to help promote a no vote with the package that is being offered to the union. I have also heard several concerns from constituents who are complaining that there is inflammatory material going around from the union. I was wondering if the Minister could indicate if the government is going to provide people with factual information about the package that is being offered.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of the Financial Management Board , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I understand that the package that has been prepared by the UNW, for it's members, is going out as we speak. We have very little input into that package; that's a UNW presentation. What I have seen of it, it is advocating a no vote. I want to be clear, a no vote means a strike vote. There is no other money in the package. We've made that clear to the UNW and I've tried to be consistent on that issue.

So it's our responsibility --the FMBS and this Cabinet --to ensure that there's balanced discussion and balanced information provided so that the members can make an informed decision without any undue persuasion either way. Our position will be to provide people with as much detail as to what the package is, to explain how it fits into the overall deficit elimination strategy and to explain the ramifications if we don't get people's cooperation in doing same. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In the event of a strike, what kind of pay would the strikers receive?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

I can assure my honourable colleague they won't receive any from this government if they're on strike, because that's just simply not on. I don't have the details of the strike pay, but it's certainly significantly less than they currently get in the collective agreement. I don't have the actual numbers on this, Mr. Speaker, but it's a fraction of what we're all currently earning.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the union executive be affected similarly? Would they receive a fraction of their current wages if there's a strike?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

I would think paid employees of the union would probably continue with full pay, but I would have to double-check that. I believe that there is provision within the agreement where we've negotiated with the union on what we call the essential services. I understand in the

agreement that the people who are designated as "essential services' will have to contribute, I believe, 30 or 35 per cent of their pay to the strike fund. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Mr. Speaker, there has also been some concern that this government would take away the wages of people, even if they do work. But I think this may be a misunderstanding. Would the government be doing that or would the union be doing something like that? I just had a concern relayed earlier today.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It's my understanding --and I qualify that by saying I stand to be corrected --that those who are designated as essential services and go to work have to contribute to the strike fund 30 or 35 per cent of their wages. This is under the rules, policies and procedures, et cetera; it is negotiated. Those who are working would get their paycheque but they would have to contribute to the UNW strike fund 30 or 35 per cent. I believe that is how the rules of the policy exist.

The other point I believe that was addressed, and has been addressed on a number of occasions, can people then apply for income support; welfare. The answer is no.

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Question 348-13(3): Solvent Abuse Program For Youth

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 742

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Earlier on in this session, I directed a question to the Minister of Health and I would direct the same Minister to answer a question presently. It's regarding the youth solvent abuse program offered at Northern Addictions Services. The Minister had committed to getting back to this House in June. As the House will not be sitting in June, I request the Minister to give us an update on where his department is with regard to funding for this program.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we have been having discussions with Health Canada officials. They are willing to look at funding the program until the end of September. So from their anticipated June 30th cut-off, they will fund it for an additional three months. Our Department of Health and Social Services is now looking at funding the program from October to the end of March, so we can get it through the end of this current fiscal year, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Supplementary, Mr. Henry .

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank you, Mr. Minister, for that positive response. Given that funding will be available through the federal or territorial governments, will the Minister consider opening this program to all youth of the Northwest Territories; aboriginal and non-aboriginal?

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the portion that is currently funded from Health Canada is specific to aboriginal youth under their initiative, so we would have no say in that because that funding would go directly to Northern Addictions Services up until the end of September. However, once our department's funding was to kick into place --and, of course, that funding is available to all residents of the Northwest Territories --the treatment programs would be available to all people. Thank you.

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Item 6, oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Henry .

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That's two. Third one. I'm doing well, I think. That program is youth solvent abuse. Would the Minister consider extending that to drug and alcohol addiction, also, for the youth of the Northwest Territories; at least the portion of the time when the funding kicks in from the GNWT? Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we will look at it, but I understand now that youth treatment specific for alcohol purposes is provided through some of the other treatment centres. We wouldn't want to set up an environment that would be competitive of an existing program which we already fund. However, if that service isn't available or if it's more specific, then we'll take a look at it at that time, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Roland .

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Question 349-13(3): Meeting With Inuvik Leaders Re Transportation System

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 743

Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question will be directed to the Minister of Transportation . In the statement

made in the House, the Minister talked about working on the development of a transportation system. He states that the development of the transportation system needed in the Northwest Territories for our economic development is a longer-term objective than in the three-year planning cycle. He talks of working with the federal government with respect to the Mackenzie Valley Highway. Is the Minister willing to meet with the leaders of the Inuvik region to discuss this road a little more? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Minister of Transportation , Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the honourable Member for Inuvik is referring to the statement that I made previously in this House. The statement itself was a strategy that I, along with the Department of Transportation, would like to put forward. It's a continuation of the transportation strategy that was put in place in 1990. We're looking at changing or revamping the strategies to accommodate the present-day situation in terms of the economic climate, the fiscal climate and so forth. That is the purpose of the strategy that I mentioned. It's a long-term strategy that we would like to aim towards. Therefore, we have something to try to achieve in the long term, starting now.

Yes, Mr. Speaker, I'm willing and able to go up into the lnuvik area and meet with the leadership up there to discuss any type of transportation strategy that they care to talk to me about. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Question 350-13(3): Summer Internship Programs For Students

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 743

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I mentioned in my Member's statement about the wages for students. My question is for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . I would like to know if the Department of ECE has put in place or prepared something for a summer internship program for students. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, each department is responsible for hiring summer students. I don't know that the Department of Education, Culture and Employment has a specific program for internship for summer students. All summer employment in Yellowknife is being coordinated through the Personnel Secretariat and in the regions through the individual departments. I do know, though, that something like an internship is used in some of the CTS modules during the balance of the year, but I am not aware of any internship - programs for summer students specifically. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Mr. Picco , supplementary.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in quite a few of the jurisdictions in this country, a summer internship program is used to give the on-the-job training for students so they can actually enter the workforce. Will the Minister and his department look at something that we can develop over the coming months for implementation for this time next year; an internship program and work it through ECE so that each government department has the opportunity to hire these students for on-the-job training?

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Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, training-on-the-job programs are used quite extensively by this government already. There are more than 150 individuals currently on training-on-the-job programs. Those are typically for indeterminate-type positions. An It's certainly something we can take a look at, but I would suspect that most departments use the funding they have available for hiring summer students for positions that they have available, that students don't need to have extensive training for; typically entry-level programs.

The training-on- the-job program is much more suited to bringing along a current employee to a higher level. That sort of investment it takes to train someone on the job is typically suited to that type of situation. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, ECE is the major department involved in career development for our students and for our youth. I appreciate what the Minister said about the on-the-job training. Specifically, I was thinking about on-the-job training for students who, before they get to the actual point of entering the workforce, get that on-the-job training as students, then continue on in their post-secondary vocational or academic training.

What types of plans or initiatives have been formulated by ECE to prepare some type of career training path in conjunction with secondary and post-secondary students; not just for the jobs, Mr. Speaker, that are available today, but for the jobs and careers that are going to be available tomorrow? Something, for example, on the terms of the major development that we're going to see, possibly, in Lac de Gras, here in the West, and other projects in the East. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, every student in the Northwest Territories in grade 9 must, along with their parents and the school, complete a career plan. I think that, as far as is possible, we encourage students to look as broadly at the potential market as possible. We can't foresee all of the opportunities that will be out there, but I do think that we're aware of the potential for mines developing, the potential for other jobs in the non- renewable sectors, and do encourage students to take a look at all the alternatives.

A clear example is that we've started allowing students to enter an apprenticeship program while still in high school. So I think that we are working with all of the students in the Northwest Territories to ensure that they do look ahead and plan for a career, and I think we are looking at where the opportunities for jobs will be. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Final supplementary.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I was quite pleased to hear from the Minister that in actuality there is a plan in place where each student in grade 9 develops a career plan, right across the Territories. This is the first time I've heard about this wonderful program and plan. I wonder if that is a direction of the GNWT and, if so, would the Minister be able to provide me a copy of that? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It's a policy of Education, Culture and Employment and, certainly, I would be happy to provide the Member with information on how that is achieved. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Ootes .

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Question 351-13(3): Remuneration Rates For Summer Student Employment

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 744

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is also for the Minister of Education with regard to students and training on the job. possibility of an internship and the fact that people may be employed at $22 an hour. I certainly feel that, in many cases, students shouldn't be paid $22 an hour, and I've made that abundantly clear. My question is to the Minister. Does he have a minimum and a maximum level that is paid to students?

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Employment, Mr. Dent .

Remuneration Rates For Summer Student Employment

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Mr. Speaker, salaries paid by this government are subject to the collective agreement and are not in the control of the individual departments.

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Samuel Gargan

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, the students don't have the experience nor the job-related experience. It is an internship program, in essence. They are hired to get on-the-job training, so $22 an hour, to me, is too much. I wonder if the Minister could tell me how many students may be at the $22 an hour level.

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