Debates of Feb. 25th, 2014

This is page numbers 3905 – 3976 of the Hansard for the 17th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was year .

Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

Improvements In The Delivery Of Child And Family Services

New Memorandum Of Agreement With RCMP For Asset Management

South Mackenzie Correctional Centre Enhanced Program Services

Employee Recognition In Official Languages

Asbestos Concerns At Moose Kerr School

Policing And Nursing Services In Small Communities

Family Supports For Traditional “on-The-Land” Pursuits

Placement Of Automated External Defibrillators

2014 Paul Stipdonk Memorial Soccer Tournament

Summer Student Employment In Small Communities

Giant Mine Stabilization Plan

Dredging Of The Hay River

Safe Disclosure Of Information By GNWT Employees

Northern Mining Socio-Economic Agreements

Investment In Southern Mental Health And Addictions Treatment

Tribute To RCMP Bravery Award Recipient Celine (Nataway) Marlowe

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

90th Birthday Of Jim Thomas

Asbestos Concerns At Moose Kerr School

Policing Presence In Small Communities

Community Caribou Hunt For Yellowknives Dene

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery (Reversion)

Family Supports For Traditional “on-The-Land” Pursuits

Safe Disclosure Of Information By GNWT Employees

Nursing Services In Small Communities

Beach Safety Audit Of Fred Henne Territorial Park

Summer Student Employment In Small Communities

Dredging Of The Hay River

Placement Of Automatic Electric Defibrillators

Policing Presence In Small Communities

Northern Mining Socio-Economic Agreements

Written Question 14-17(5): Mental Health And Addictions Action Plan

Return To Written Question 5-17(5): Detail Of Contracts Awarded In Fiscal Year 2012-2013

Committee Report 2-17(5): Report On The Review Of The 2012-2013 Public Accounts

Motion That Committee Report 2-17(5) Be Deemed As Read And Printed In Hansard

Motion To Receive Committee Report 2-17(5) And Move Into Committee Of The Whole

Tabled Document 50-17(5): Government Of The Northwest Territories Details Of Contracts Over $5,000, 2012-2013

Extended Adjournment Of The House To March 3, 2014

Bill 13: Devolution Measures Act Bill 14: Waters Act

Bill 11: Petroleum Resources Act

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Deferral Of Minerals And Petroleum Resources Activity

Creation Of Taxation Revenues Stabilization Fund

Report of Committee of the Whole

Orders of the Day

The House met at 1:29 p.m.

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Prayer

Prayer

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Good afternoon, colleagues. Item 2, Ministers’ statements. The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Abernethy .

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Minister's Statement 37-17(5): Improvements In The Delivery Of Child And Family Services

Ministers’ Statements

Great Slave

Glen Abernethy

Minister of Health and Social Services

Mr. Speaker, today I would like to speak on the topic of child and family services. The 16th Legislative Assembly’s Standing

Committee on Social Programs undertook a comprehensive review of the Child and Family Services Act, highlighting the importance of this area and the need for fundamental change in how we do business.

While there will always be room for improvement in child and family services, I am pleased to be able to report to this Assembly some significant progress arising from the standing committee recommendations. But first I want to pay tribute to the social workers who provide child and family services. Theirs is undoubtedly one of the most demanding jobs in the public service. As the dean of the University of Calgary’s Faculty of Social Work said recently, “There are lots of reasons why children need protection, such as physical and sexual abuse, emotional maltreatment, addictions issues, poverty and homelessness.

The social worker has to make sense out of all these pieces, and that’s incredibly complicated, sensitive and difficult to do.”

The sad fact is that there are children out there who are in need of protection. We all have a shared responsibility to ensure that this happens, government, communities and families. But it is the dedicated women and men who deliver on that responsibility who make extraordinarily difficult decisions on a daily basis, and they desperately need and deserve the support of the communities in which they live and work.

Mr. Speaker, our efforts to protect children from harm begin with promotion and prevention. In its report on the review of the Child and Family Services Act, the 16th Legislative Assembly’s

Standing Committee on Social Programs flagged some key recommendations, which formed the foundation for all subsequent recommendations. In addition to highlighting the importance of prevention and promotion, these focused on setting up child and family services committees, making sure that alcohol and drug addictions treatment is readily available, and developing a comprehensive Anti-Poverty Strategy.

One of the cornerstones of prevention and promotion is the Healthy Family Program, which by the end of this fiscal year will have expanded to all regions and will be available in 15 of our communities. The Healthy Family Program is designed to support parents and children from birth to age five and promotes nurturing parent-child relationships. The program is a key component of the renewed Early Childhood Development Framework and is a foundational program for child and family services. The 2014-2015 Main Estimates include $700,000 to stabilize and enhance this program.

But that’s not the only way we reach out to children and their families. Social workers can offer children and families in need a variety of preventative supports such as counseling, in-home services, respite care, parenting programs, assistance in addressing financial situations, access to alcohol and drug treatment, and so on. Parents and families can and do access these services on an entirely voluntary basis.

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased that the annual report, tabled last week, demonstrates an increase in the percentage of children who are now receiving these services in their home communities.

A number of the recommendations made by the 16th Assembly Standing Committee on Social

Programs dealt with the policies and procedures guiding child protection interventions. I am pleased to report that the Child and Family Services Standards and Procedures Manual is undergoing a major revision. The new manual, which will be completed next year, will reflect contemporary best practices, and will incorporate the recommendations of the previous standing

committee. The 2014-2015 Capital Estimates include funding for a new Child and Family Information System, which will greatly enhance our ability to do file audits and track individual cases.

Parents also need help understanding how the system operates, and toward that end the Department of Health and Social Services has produced a series of plain-language pamphlets explaining how to access services, what their rights are, what happens in court and what plans of care are all about.

The recommendations of the previous standing committee have also been taken into account in revisions to the department’s training program for child protection workers. Training programs for the supervisors and managers of child protection workers have been enhanced and continue to be expanded. Training in child protection work has even been extended to the administrative level; for the first time ever, some chief executive officers and senior administrators from regional health and social services authorities received training on the Child and Family Services Act in December of last year. These training initiatives will continue on an ongoing basis.

Mr. Speaker, the chair of the Assembly’s Standing Committee on Social Programs, Mr. Moses , has commented that addictions and poverty are not only issues in and of themselves but they are often the root causes of child protection concerns. For that reason, I believe that this government’s support for the Minister’s Forum on Addictions and Community Wellness will, over time, lead to further improvements, not just for those struggling with addictions but more broadly in the lives of children, parents, families and communities. The same can be said for this government’s initiative to reduce poverty. It too will help prevent children from becoming in need of protection.

In closing, Mr. Speaker, some real progress has been made in child and family services, but we still have a long way to go. Later this session I will be speaking to the matter of next steps after the auditor’s report has been tabled in this Assembly. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 37-17(5): Improvements In The Delivery Of Child And Family Services

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The honourable Minister of Public Works and Services , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Minister's Statement 38-17(5): New Memorandum Of Agreement With RCMP For Asset Management

Ministers’ Statements

Tu Nedhe

Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Public Works and Services

Mr. Speaker, our government is in the final stages of entering into a memorandum of agreement with our federal counterparts that will see Northerners servicing RCMP assets in the Northwest Territories.

In the past, the federal government’s southern contractor arranged services for the operations, maintenance and minor renovation of RCMP houses, detachments and other assets. There are 112 RCMP facilities in 24 communities. With the contract due for renewal, we saw the opportunity for a more economical alternative.

Over the last eight months, the departments of Justice and Public Works and Services have worked collaboratively with our federal counterparts to determine the best way to deliver these important services.

The Department of Public Works and Services has an established, decentralized northern workforce with years of experience in the operations and maintenance of government infrastructure. We have strong working relationships with local resources who support the delivery of these services in our 33 communities. Our northern workforce is in the best position to maintain northern RCMP facilities.

The benefits of having these services provided by those most familiar with our communities, and often challenging northern conditions, cannot be underestimated. We expect to see improved responsiveness and maintenance to the RCMP through the expanded use of local and northern resources in our remote communities. Drawing from GNWT resources and contractors located in our communities and regional centres will improve the maintenance program’s efficiency.

There will be improved contracting and employment opportunities for local and northern businesses as our maintenance and minor project needs expand.

We expect to see improved energy management with opportunities to invest in initiatives such as biomass and other renewable energy and conservation options.

Adding 112 RCMP assets to the portfolio of buildings and facilities PWS already operates and maintains is an opportunity to create jobs in our small communities, a priority for our government. Five new positions are being created through the agreement to help meet these new responsibilities, including jobs in Tuktoyaktuk, Fort McPherson, Norman Wells, Hay River and Yellowknife.

Mr. Speaker, this shared initiative with the Department of Justice will better support the delivery of RCMP programs and services in our communities while responsibly managing our expenditure growth. We will enhance contracting opportunities for small businesses and create employment in our regions and smaller communities where they are needed the most.

We look forward to seeing this initiative in action starting in April, and will continue to seek opportunities to collaborate with other public agencies to improve the quality and efficiency of

government programs in our communities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The honourable Minister of Justice , Mr. Ramsay .

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Minister's Statement 39-17(5): South Mackenzie Correctional Centre Enhanced Program Services

Ministers’ Statements

Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Justice

Mr. Speaker, in the Northwest Territories, addiction to drugs or alcohol is the number one issue facing many northern inmates. The Department of Justice is taking steps to enhance addictions programs through the corrections service.

Recently this Assembly supported the South Slave Mackenzie Correctional Centre through the hiring of three new staff to develop and deliver an intensive addictions program for inmates. Inmates wishing to participate are accepted into the program based on several factors, including their readiness for change. The first intake for this new program was on October 24, 2013. I am pleased to report that, to date, 17 people have now completed this program.

Mr. Speaker, not only do we recognize the need for addictions treatment, we also understand the importance that culture and traditions have in the healing process. This new program has a strong cultural component. Inmates participate in on-the-land activities, learn traditional skills, and take

part in smudges and feeding the fire ceremonies. They receive one-on-one addictions counseling and work with corrections staff to develop goals, build communication skills, and improve their ability to resolve conflict. A small ceremony is held for those inmates who complete the program to acknowledge this achievement.

Over 28 days, corrections staff work with these inmates to build a therapeutic environment focused on substance abuse treatment. Mr. Speaker, as with all programs, it’s important to make sure the method we are taking is effective. That is why we are using a comprehensive approach when it comes to our evaluations.

In addition to initial acceptance evaluations, facilitators complete final reports for each inmate, outlining their progress and potential for reintegration into the community. As well, all inmates provide program evaluations in order to garner valuable feedback on their experience. Counsellors use this and other information for program improvement.

The approach of the new drug and alcohol treatment program at the South Mackenzie Correctional Centre is consistent with the philosophy and goals of the Mental Health and Addictions Action Plan, and reflects our commitment to the Assembly’s vision of strong individuals, families and communities. The program

makes the important link between traditional and western therapeutic and wellness approaches. As well, it provides mental health and addictions services that are relevant to the needs of the inmates participating in the program.

Mr. Speaker, the Department of Justice will be offering this program three times a year, allowing inmates the flexibility to identify when they are ready to make a significant change in their life. I am hopeful that this addictions program provides the assistance these inmates need to make a new start for themselves and their families and, ultimately, makes our communities safer. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Minister of Human Resources , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Minister's Statement 40-17(5): Employee Recognition In Official Languages

Ministers’ Statements

Tu Nedhe

Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Human Resources

Mr. Speaker, culture and language support our identity and help strengthen the common goals of NWT communities. I am pleased to announce that, through the work of the Department of Human Resources, the Government of the Northwest Territories is now able to offer certificates of recognition to our employees in each of the 11 official languages of the Northwest Territories. Certificates of recognition are presented to employees who have shown dedication and commitment to the public service and include both long service and retirement.

These employees have reached significant milestones in their careers and it is important for the GNWT, as the employer, to recognize these worthy achievements. Being able to celebrate these achievements through their language and culture offers employees an opportunity to connect with their heritage and be proud of what they have accomplished.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank the translators at the Francophone Affairs Secretariat and the Aboriginal language translators contracted for this work. The Aboriginal language translators are well known throughout the NWT for their translation expertise. Many of the translators worked closely with elders to ensure consistency in the finished material. Having the opportunity to work with these translators and seeing the passion for their culture and the pride taken in appropriate use of their language has been a very positive experience for the department staff.

Preserving, promoting and celebrating our official languages in our daily work helps keep our unique culture and heritage alive for future generations. The dedication to official languages is a direct

tribute to the hardworking and diverse cultures and peoples we have here in the NWT.

Mr. Speaker, whether an employee has a language connection through family history, or they are celebrating a culture they have grown close to through their time in the North, use of the official languages in our work environment like certificates of recognition allows employees to be connected and proud of the diverse values and cultures of the NWT. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Item 3, Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Blake .

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Asbestos Concerns At Moose Kerr School

Members’ Statements

Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last week I spoke about the timeline for replacing Moose Kerr School in Aklavik. Today I’m continuing this theme.

Moose Kerr was constructed in 1969, exactly the same time Samuel Hearne High School was built in Inuvik. Samuel Hearne was demolished and replaced a couple of years ago. My constituents would like to know why Moose Kerr School is still standing. At 45 years old, it’s overdue for replacement.

The Minister of Education stated in the House last week that Moose Kerr School is slated for replacement or major renovations in 2019. That’s five years from now.

I’m concerned about potential safety hazards at the school, specifically whether asbestos poses a risk to children’s health. Asbestos was routinely used in building products until the 1970s and 1980s, so a building like Moose Kerr School, constructed in 1969, very likely contains asbestos. Indeed, Samuel Hearne was built at precisely at the same time and in the same region of the Northwest Territories and it contained asbestos. It can be supplied by inference that Moose Kerr School contains asbestos as well.

There is scientific consensus about the harmful effects of asbestos. Whenever a material containing asbestos gets disturbed, the tiny microscopic fibres are released into the air. When they are breathed in, they can become trapped in the lungs and stay there for many years. Over time, the fibres can cause serious health problems such as lung disease and cancer.

Over a decade ago, the Department of Public Works released an Asbestos Management Plan. Surveys and site investigations were performed to determine which Public Works’ buildings contained asbestos. The intent, then and now, is to manage

asbestos-containing materials, or ACMs as they are called. Until such time as removal becomes practical or necessary, a detailed inventory of ACMs was prepared for each building and is apparently maintained through periodic inspection reports.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Members’ Statements

Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Information is also kept about the condition of the asbestos and the need for repairs, abatement or maintenance.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will have questions for the Minister of Public Works later today.

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Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Blake . Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Policing And Nursing Services In Small Communities

Members’ Statements

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I’d like to speak about something which does not directly affect my constituency, but I have listened to the questions and the statements of Members from small communities for far too long, and today I’m going to jump in on the issue of nurses and RCMP in small communities.

Hay River has the good fortune of a well-staffed RCMP detachment and a well-staffed health authority, so we don’t face the challenges of small communities, but I understand the concerns that exist when you do not have these services in the community.

When we look at other jurisdictions in Canada like Ontario and Quebec, they have provincial police forces. The RCMP is not under contract to everyone. I don’t know why we cannot get creative here in the Northwest Territories, why we cannot pick respected people out of communities and train them, maybe through some kind of a partnership agreement with the RCMP, send them to Depot, deputize them as special constables or community constables and have them there. Yes, when the RCMP do go to visit in the community, they could work with them.

But I know that in British Columbia, for example, there is a First Nations police training institute, so obviously there are First Nations, as well, that have reserves and so on that have some form of policing there that is not part of the RCMP.

I just think we need to get more creative. When we say we can’t have a nurse in the community because there’s no RCMP presence there, we have school teachers in the communities and there’s no RCMP presence there. I mean, what’s the difference? Furthermore, if you want to take it a step further, we can’t have a nurse in the

community because there’s no RCMP but we have everybody else who lives in the community without an RCMP presence. I mean, what is that? Some kind of a double standard that we have here?

I think that this government could get a lot more serious about having some kind of a policing presence, whether it is a police force or something that our government creates. We have Canadian Rangers from almost all of the communities. That’s an organization that’s well trained, well equipped. That’s volunteers, in that instance, but there’s another organization that possesses some of the skills already that RCMP needs when it comes to search and rescue and the ability to be on the land.

So, I’m sorry, I no longer buy this theory. I understand that because of RCMP rules we may not be able to have detachments in every community, but we can have a police presence of some kind and we need to get way more creative about figuring that out.

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Policing And Nursing Services In Small Communities

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Family Supports For Traditional “on-The-Land” Pursuits

Members’ Statements

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d certainly love to join Mrs. Groenewegen ’s support for nurses and RCMP in small communities; however, I’m going to talk about the importance of life on the land for our people in our communities, people who fish on the Great Slave Lake, people who hunt up in the Bear Lake area and on the Mackenzie River, people who hunt up in the Beaufort-Delta, people who live on the land. Yesterday I heard from Mr. Ramsay that there’s a lot of support from our community members who make a life on the land either fishing, hunting or trapping and one of the things that I wanted to speak about, that’s a way of life for people.

Now, the way of life today costs a lot of money for us to go out on the land and to provide for our people. As a matter of fact, in my community profile of the people consume on-the-land food, up to 75, 76, 80, 90 percent in Colville Lake, take food from the land. Our families are important for our hunters and trappers, and looking at the different programs we have, I don’t really see anything for trappers or hunters where they want to take their families to continue this way of life, to teach them the value of life, to teach them the values of the land and the animals and to learn out there.

There’s not really a program set in place so the families can say yes, we want to take our family out, but rather they have to leave them back in the community because it costs so much to go out there and make their life out there.

At one time it wasn’t an issue because that was our way of life. Today life has changed over to somewhat of an economy-based life. Now the furs are taken for money so that they can continue on with this, so we’re at the real crux of our lifestyle in the communities. We continue on with the way of life, or we shift over now to an industrial wage economy like where that knowledge is becoming our way of life.

So I will ask the Minister, at the appropriate time, if there are any types of programs for families and Members to take their families on the land to continue practicing life on the land. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Placement Of Automated External Defibrillators

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We’re almost at the end of it, but February is Heart Month and, unfortunately, every 26 minutes a Canadian suffers a sudden cardiac arrest. It happens without warning, to anyone, anywhere, killing more Canadians each year than car accidents, diabetes and breast and prostate cancer combined. Without help, sudden cardiac arrest victims have just minutes to live. Each minute that passes decreases their chance of survival by nearly 10 percent. It’s scary that the majority of people killed by sudden cardiac arrest have no history of heart disease.

Eighty-five percent of all cardiac arrests occur in homes or public spaces, public spaces like hockey rinks, community centres and Legislatures. The single most important factor in survival from sudden cardiac arrest may be early defibrillation therapy.

According to the Heart and Stroke Foundation, the early use of a defibrillator along with CPR, before the arrival of emergency services, can increase the chance of survival by up to 75 percent. An automated external defibrillator, AED, is an electronic device used to restart a person’s heart. It’s safe, easy to use, it’s small enough that it can be installed at locations in any community and it can be operated effectively by the lay public. If we have defibrillators installed in public spaces with people trained and confident to use them, thousands of Canadian lives can be saved every year.

Research states that in order to be effective, AEDs should be within 100 metres of the scene of a cardiac arrest so a bystander is able to retrieve it and return within three minutes, but currently there are no national guidelines on AEDs, nor is there a central registry of devices. Regulations and policies vary greatly across the country. Perhaps the best situation is in Manitoba where legislation regarding AEDs was recently enacted. As of January 2014, all

public places in Manitoba that are listed in the regulations of the act will be required, by law, to have an AED on site, places such as community centres, golf courses, schools, airports, city hall, the law courts and the Legislative Assembly.

The NWT would be well advised to follow Manitoba’s lead. Legislation would enable increased community capacity to respond to sudden cardiac arrest.

I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Placement Of Automated External Defibrillators

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

NWT legislation would provide clear protection from liability, would designate the public places where AEDs must be made available, and ensure that AEDs are registered and properly maintained so they’re ready for use when they’re needed. By setting in place protocols for distributing and maintaining these lifesaving tools, we can protect NWT residents from loss of life. We could be on the leading edge of health care for our residents.

I will have questions for the Minister at the appropriate time.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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2014 Paul Stipdonk Memorial Soccer Tournament

Members’ Statements

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. It gives me great pleasure to rise today to commend coaches, sponsors and organizers for hosting the Paul Stipdonk Memorial Soccer Tournament in Fort Simpson last weekend. Paul Stipdonk was a long-time Northerner and teacher in Fort Simpson. Paul loved working with the youth in the sport of soccer. He spent many hours of his personal time coaching, fundraising, refereeing, organizing and developing new tournaments and travelling to events.

With Paul’s passing away this past August, the Mackenzie Recreation Association asked the family if they could rename the youth soccer tournament in his name. The family was very much honoured and felt a lot of pride to have this tournament named after him. This is the fourth tournament that has been renamed to recognize outstanding individuals in the Mackenzie region. The other three tournaments are the Connie Loutit Memorial Soccer Tournament, the Scott McAdam Badminton Tournament, and the Lawrie Hobart Memorial Volleyball Tournament in Fort Smith.

This is Fort Simpson’s third year hosting the indoor soccer tournament for under six, under eight, under 10 and under 12 teams. The idea was developed by Michael Botermans, Paul Stipdonk and Shane

Thompson, great contributors to the sports in our North.

This year the tournament saw teams from Fort Providence, Fort Liard, Fort Simpson, and the coolest thing was that for the first time there were teams from Wrigley and Trout Lake. The tournament is a bit different than the other ones hosted in the region. The teams are co-ed. The concept is for the youth to have fun, enjoy this sport, develop their soccer skills and make new friends over the weekend. There are no losers, no banners and no medals. This year everyone received soccer balls with Paul’s name on it and shin guards for all the athletes that did not have them.

Fun and safety is a priority of the tournament. The categories all played round robin formats. There was around 135 youth ranging from the age of three and a half years old to 12 years old, 40 first-timers and four with disabilities.

A number of teams brought coaches and assistant coaches for the weekend. There were 35 volunteers, 350 hours of volunteer time and eight youth coaches and chaperones. The sponsors of the tournament, and I would like to thank them: Mackenzie Recreation Association, Village of Fort Simpson, Bompas Elementary School, Thomas Simpson School and students, PR Contracting, MACA, the Regional Youth Sport Events Program.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Nadli .

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Summer Student Employment In Small Communities

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, it won’t be long before students across the NWT begin their annual search for summer employment. Many students in our small communities are disadvantaged by the fact that there are not enough summer job opportunities in their home communities. Some of these students have been studying away from home and look forward to returning to their families for the summer months. They also want the chance for the important on-the-job training that will help them reach their employment goals and pay for their schooling.

It will not be possible for many of them to find meaningful job opportunities in their home communities unless the government makes it a priority to put summer jobs in small communities, not just in regional centres.

In 2012 the GNWT hired 308 summer students, an increase of 9 percent from 2011. Almost 55 percent of our students in 2012 were northern Aboriginal students. Last year the government only managed to hire 280 students, the lowest number in three years and the lowest percentage, just over 50 percent of Aboriginal students in the same time frame.

I want to strongly urge managers in all GNWT departments, boards and agencies to make 2014 a record year for the number of northern and First Nations students employed in meaningful summer jobs, especially in smaller communities.

I understand that each department, board and agency makes its own decisions about summer student hiring based on their needs and budgets. Summer students need guidance and mentorship. This can make more work for busy public servants when you push summer student hiring to the back burner when there are more pressing program priorities.

Have the Ministers spoken with their senior managers and instructed them to make this a priority? I’m asking each Cabinet Minister in this Assembly to take a moment to show leadership and encourage your departments, boards and agencies to hire a record number of summer students this year. Set target numbers, make it a part of managers’ performance appraisals, make it a prerequisite for bonuses paid to senior staff, do more detailed reporting.

Next year in the Public Service Annual Report I hope to see statistics that show our target for summer student hiring and how we did in meeting these targets, and the total percentage of NWT students seeking employment who were successful in getting jobs.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Summer students are our future public servants. They bring fresh energy and fresh ideas, they can take on tasks that are important but haven’t been done because of workload challenges. When we give our students jobs in the communities, we keep them in the North and we help them to put down strong roots to ensure our communities continue to thrive and grow in years to come. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Nadli . Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Giant Mine Stabilization Plan

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just before Christmas the governments of Canada and the NWT accepted the recommendations of the Mackenzie Valley Environmental Impact Review Board regarding the plan to deal with the arsenic at Giant Mine in Weledeh. Today I rise to recognize their decision and point out that this is an example of the current regulatory system functioning in the way it should, functioning in a way that produces the best result for people.

final solution that paradoxically would keep the arsenic contained for an infinite period of time as long as they maintained the system. To the public, especially groups like the Yellowknives Dene and Alternatives North, this was unacceptable. Thankfully, the City of Yellowknife was listening and used the legislation to trigger a full environmental review. The review board subsequently held hearings and heard the public’s concern.

Recognizing that the proposed plan was only a short-term partial solution, the board refocused Giant Mine on an interim solution with stipulation with continuing research towards a complete solution within 100 years. In addition, the project will be subject to independent public oversight, similar to that for diamond mines.

With appropriate support, our environmental review process clearly can work. When federal and territorial proponents insisted they had a fine plan, the public review process forced them to think things through more carefully. Subsequent amendments sealed a much improved plan and a much more sensible mindset. With full understanding, we now also know we must never put ourselves in this situation again.

As we institute devolution, the travesty of the Giant Mine legacy is a front and centre reminder of what happens when we naively let resource extraction proceed without careful oversight to clean things up along the way. An important reminder as in just weeks we will assume clean-up responsibility for all operating mines in the NWT.

I would like to thank all who were involved in getting the Giant Mine Stabilization Plan in the Weledeh riding back on track. Mahsi.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . Member for Hay River North , Mr. Bouchard .

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Dredging Of The Hay River

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Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As the days get longer and the spring comes closer, the community of Hay River needs to prepare again for break-up. As usual, I need to stand in front of this House and dredge up a similar statement that I’ve made about dredging the Hay River, the requirements that are needed in the community of Hay River for dredging.

This dredging is required for industry, it’s needed for the commercial fishery, it’s needed for recreational use and also needed for the public safety. As breakup goes on, if we dredge the Hay River there will be more capacity for that water and ice to flow through the community, making the community safer.

I’ve been here for three years and I’ve had to make this statement and make this request to the

Department of Transportation that we need to figure out a solution to the dredging issue in Hay River.

We now have a new Minister of Transportation and I’m looking forward to some questions with him and hopefully get some more results for the dredging of the Hay River. Thank you.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bouchard . The Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .

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Safe Disclosure Of Information By GNWT Employees

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On February 21, 2013, then Minister of Human Resources made a statement in this House that the Government of the Northwest Territories signed a memorandum of understanding agreement with the Union of Northern Workers. The agreement outlined procedures for employees to safely disclose allegations of wrongdoings within the government, known as the Safe Disclosure of Information, and the MOU was to take effect April 1, 2013.

Some of these highlights included providing employees with access to an independent mechanism for them to confidentially report situations where the employee in good faith believes that there has been a misuse of public funds, an illegal act, gross mismanagement or a substantial and specific danger to health and safety or to the environment.

Also, it talks about providing employees, who in good faith make such a report, protection from reprisal by the employer ensuring that the interim provisions are not preventing an employee from accessing or fulfilling any obligations under any existing legislation, policy, process or collective agreement provisions, which provide a mechanism to address the employee concerns. There are other provisions to this agreement that have taken place and they just went through the first year of this agreement.

Our GNWT employees are our most valuable resource and the majority of them do work on the front lines. They’ve seen firsthand the operations of government departments and also the work that goes on within these departments. We want to encourage them to let us know what’s happening, both good and otherwise, who in good faith believe a wrongdoing has occurred and can bring those allegations forward freely in a confidential and safe manner.

The agreement also states that employees should never, ever fear reprisal from their employer by doing this and I support them in doing so. That’s why we went ahead and supported this agreement when we were discussing it in the 17th Assembly.

Finally, the Minister stated in his statement that there will be a safe disclosure coordinator as well

as a safe disclosure panel and that they would report annually. I look forward to reading this report, but in the meantime I will have questions later today for the Minister of Human Resources to get an update on how this project has gone this past year since its inception on April 1, 2013. Thank you.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . The Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Northern Mining Socio-Economic Agreements

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, I’ve stood up in this House a few times to express my concerns about the mines not meeting their socio-economic targets, especially in the area of jobs. But rather than wasting today’s time and certainly the public’s time, I’m hearing Minister Ramsay defend why they continue to have failures in certain areas. Let’s build upon what we know and let’s turn it into a success.

Everybody in the Assembly here knows that mines perform a regular performance reporting and they write out and explain where they have met their key targets and components on the socio-economic agreements and those are between the government and the mines. These reports are publicly available, if you can find them somewhere buried in a website or whatnot, and they do even track trends and certain other items. But let’s use this opportunity not just to talk about trends, let’s build it into a measure that’s meaningful that people can start to understand it.

Let’s use these annual reports to publicize clearly, meaningfully in a format that all Northerners, the everyday person can see and understand. We can do business not only better, but we can finally show them we are doing business, which would be an interesting shock.

This government measures, from time to time, culture, community, family, individual well-being, traditional and non-traditional economy. We even look at things such as net effects on government and sustainability. We can do it, so let’s start doing it now.

These are all very important things, but how do we know the mines are living up to their commitment, the ones that they contractually are bound to do that we sort of negotiated, but of course, we have no enforcement tool. Where I’m going with this is maybe it’s time that we start publicizing through a regular occurrence once a year, I say if we put in the newspaper in a simple format with some charts, some graphs and explain mine number A, agreement on employment, they’re meeting these targets, and we can demonstrate that to Northerners.

Quite often a Northerner will come to me and say, you know, the other day my family and I came from

Edmonton. We got on that plane and we didn’t know anybody on that plane. Are they all mine workers? Are they hiring any Northerners at all? I think that’s a fair question, because a lot of Northerners think that none of those jobs are going to Northerners who actually live here.

What can we do? It’s time that the government starts publicizing mine commitments in the newspaper once a year, show people through graphs, statistics and black and white facts. Are they meeting them or are they not? Some are doing a great job and some are not.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The Member for Range Lake , Mr. Dolynny .

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Investment In Southern Mental Health And Addictions Treatment

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In the wake of accepting the meagre budget for the Mental Health and Addictions Plan, reluctantly, I must add, I have decided to give this topic a bit of sunshine today.

We have heard, been reaffirmed and even guaranteed by the Minister of Health and Social Services that our residents today are in better care in their most desperate time of need. We are told that in 24 hours or less if you come forward with addiction issues you’ll be whisked away to one of four out-of-territory fabulous resorts where you’ll be given state-of-the-art care, and this is all being done at huge savings compared to what we were offering at Nats'ejee K'eh.

Many of us from the Social Programs committee have visited the Poundmaker’s Lodge in St. Albert, and I agree, there appears to be a successful addiction treatment centre there. But, in reality, are there savings, or should it be about savings? Are we spending the right amount of budget dollars as we did before in addictions or are we spending more? Clearly, addictions, especially alcohol addiction being the number one social issue in the North, is it getting the right investment? I mean, surely this government must be spending enough money to remedy this huge social epidemic.

Well, we know that from past budgets Nats’ejee K’eh received a little over $2 million a year in funding, so we must be at least spending this or more to treat addictions. No? I mean, we waited over two years for mental health and addictions plans from this government, so we must be serious about investing some money to take a bite out of addictions, right?

Let’s take a look at the budget of this long-awaited Mental Health and Addictions Plan, shall we? On-the-land treatment program, $900,000. Check. Children and Youth Resiliency Program, $500,000. Check. Four lofty contracts for out-of-territory

provincial treatment program, $1 million. Check. Cha-ching! It comes up to $2.4 million. Ironically, slightly more than we were given annually for Nats’ejee K’eh.

Where is the bit and the bite? Where is the real investment with addictions? Sadly, these numbers speak for themselves. When this government spends more in building one kilometre of new highway than dealing with the number one issue plaguing our generation, this is more than shameful. It’s embarrassing.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . The Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Tribute To RCMP Bravery Award Recipient Celine (Nataway) Marlowe

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. In August 2012 I went to Fort Reliance and met a retired RCMP officer named Garth Hansen who was looking for a lady that had saved four kids from a burning fire way back when he was a member in Reliance and Lutselk'e about 50 years ago.

Today I would like to pay tribute to this one amazing hero that he was looking for. I speak of Celine (Nataway) Marlowe, the wife of George Marlowe, the mother and grandmother of many in Lutselk'e and other communities in the Northwest Territories.

On New Year’s Eve 1960-61, Celine, before she turned nine years old, saved the lives of four young children from a house fire in Snowdrift/Lutselk'e. This act speaks of the kind of person Celine is today. Celine acted bravely and is a true hero. Today there are people walking around Lutselk'e because of this act of bravery.

Celine received the highest honour awarded for bravery in the Northwest Territories issued by the RCMP. Celine was the second person in the Northwest Territories to receive this award since 1993. The other person is now on the Nunavut side.

On January 14, 2014, the retired RCMP officer that nominated Celine, Garth Hansen, who was at the RCMP station in Lutselk’e/Snowdrift or Reliance at the time of the house fire, actually was stationed in Reliance and then was in Lutselk’e during Christmastime. Along with some high ranking officials from the Northwest Territories, including the chief superintendent and two of the other high ranking officers, gave this award to Celine Marlowe.

Presented by the RCMP, Royal Canadian Mounted Police, to Celine (Nataway) Marlowe for her dedication and bravery in rescuing Peter Abel, Dorothy Abel, Gilbert Abel and Raymond Abel from a disastrous house fire which destroyed Joe Fatt’s home on New Year’s Eve in 1960-61 in Snowdrift, now called Lutselk’e, on the north arm of the Northwest Territories. Her immediate response

encouraged a nine-year-old, actually before she turned nine, to save the lives of her friends and brought great credit to her community. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery, Mr. Blake .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to recognize Itai Katz who is one of my constituents from Tsiigehtchic. I’d like to welcome him to the gallery. Thank you.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Blake . Mr. Bromley .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to recognize Chief Edward Sangris of the Yellowknives First Nation, Detah. I know he’s got a very busy schedule, so it’s great to see him in the House today.

I had the opportunity to meet Itai Katz from Tsiigehtchic just before session here. That was the first time I’d met him. I welcome him to the House. Of course, he’s the spouse of the famous Alistine Andre. I’d like to recognize her. Mahsi.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . Item 6, acknowledgements, Mr. Bouchard .

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Acknowledgement 3-17(5): 90th Birthday Of Jim Thomas

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Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Jim Thomas was born at 2 Island, 32 miles below Fort Simpson, on February 25, 1924. He has lived all his life in the North, from Fort Chipewyan to Fort Providence to attend the residential school. In the 1940s he worked underground at Ptarmigan Mines until he was transferred to Con Mine. Later, in the 1950s, he also found work on the drilling rigs when oil companies were exploring for oil and gas. In the late 1950s, he was working on building the road to Kakisa.

In the 1960s Jim called Hay River his home. He worked in many different capacities, as a firefighter, a captain on an NTCL tug boat, to a corrections officer and a fisherman on Great Slave Lake, but the land would always have his heart, and that is where his true talent shone.

Jim's sense of humour for everything in life always brings a smile to people who know him.

In the 1990s Jim became very involved in the Dehcho Process. After the West Point First Nation got recognition of band status, he sat on council as an elder at the local level and as an elder advisor to the Dehcho leadership table. With all his wisdom,

he shared what he learned as a child to the leaders then of the treaties and what they stood for.

I am happy to recognize Mr. Jimmy Thomas on his 90th birthday. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bouchard . Item 7, oral questions. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Blake .

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Question 173-17(5): Asbestos Concerns At Moose Kerr School

Oral Questions

Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last week the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment replied to one of my questions by stating: “If there is an asbestos issue, then we would be proactive and work with the Department of Public Works and Services and put in mitigating measures to deal with that. At this point, it hasn’t been brought to my attention if it is an issue.”

I’d like to know, since my exchange with the Minister of Education last week, if the Minister of Public Works or any of his departmental officials supplied information to the Minister of Education about asbestos in the Moose Kerr School. Thank you.

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Question 173-17(5): Asbestos Concerns At Moose Kerr School

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bouchard . The honourable Minister of Public Works , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 173-17(5): Asbestos Concerns At Moose Kerr School

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think the information has been exchanged between officials of Public Works and the Department of Education. The assessment of Moose Kerr School did not identify any asbestos-containing materials. Thank you.

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Question 173-17(5): Asbestos Concerns At Moose Kerr School

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

I will continue my questions to the Minister of Public Works . Last week the Minister of Education mentioned that a major renovation was made to the Moose Kerr School in 1999. A number of upgrades were subsequently made to the school between 2008 and 2012.

I would like to know if any asbestos issues were encountered in any of these upgrades. Did these upgrades include abatement or mediation of asbestos-containing materials? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 173-17(5): Asbestos Concerns At Moose Kerr School

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Several years ago some officials were inspecting the school and they had identified materials in the crawl space of the school that they figured could possibly be asbestos. The department took a closer look with experts and determined it was not asbestos in that basement or in the crawl space of that school. That was the only place it could have possibly been identified. Thank you.

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Question 173-17(5): Asbestos Concerns At Moose Kerr School

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

As I mentioned last week, as well, most of our buildings, their life expectancy is 35 years, yet Moose Kerr School is 45 years old. When will this school be replaced? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 173-17(5): Asbestos Concerns At Moose Kerr School

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

In the 20-year assessment as we assess all our assets and determine which one would be moved to a five-year capital plan, Moose Kerr School in Aklavik has been identified for a major renovation or a complete replacement in 2019 and we’ll make that decision as we get closer to that date. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Blake .

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Question 173-17(5): Asbestos Concerns At Moose Kerr School

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Were there any other contaminants found within the school premises? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 173-17(5): Asbestos Concerns At Moose Kerr School

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

I have information that we were looking for asbestos-containing materials. There was none of that. If there are any hazardous materials or asbestos identified as we look in other areas of the school, then we will go through the regular process of identifying that to the Workers’ Safety and Compensation Commission. Thank you.

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Question 173-17(5): Asbestos Concerns At Moose Kerr School

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 174-17(5): Policing Presence In Small Communities

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In follow-up to my Member’s statement today about community policing and police presence in all of our communities, I would like to direct my questions to the Minister of Justice . Communities in southern Canada have their own police force. Tell me again, if I didn’t already know, why the Northwest Territories, if not RCMP, cannot have some kind of policing presence in our communities currently that do not have a police presence.

When we have no police presence, it falls to other people to fill in that gap. It falls to band managers and people who are respected in the community and it puts a great deal of stress on other people and it is not an ideal circumstance. I would like to ask that as my first question. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 174-17(5): Policing Presence In Small Communities

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Minister of Justice , Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 174-17(5): Policing Presence In Small Communities

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Justice

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We continue to work with communities on providing a service to the communities. There was the Aboriginal Constable Program. We didn’t get enough applicants. The program was supposed to run at Depot in Regina in 2013. There weren’t enough applicants. That program has been

reworked. There is an intake that’s supposed to happen early, I believe, in 2015. We are hoping to have a couple of applicants from the Northwest Territories enter that program.

We have to also look at opportunities with each community. We try to make a policing model for each community in the Northwest Territories and make things work by working with community leaders. We’ve had some success in Tsiigehtchic, we’re going to try to get members to stay in the community overnight. I mentioned yesterday, in response to some other questions during the mains review of Justice, that there are other communities here in the Northwest Territories where that may be a possibility. We will continue to look at creative ways to try to get more police presence into every community in the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

The Minister mentioned an Aboriginal Constable Program for which there was not much interest and that these individuals or candidates would have been able to train at Depot.

My question to the Minister is: Would these Aboriginal constables or these graduates from the Aboriginal Constable Program, would they have been able to offer policing services in communities, stand-alone, without the presence of an RCMP officer? Thank you.

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Justice

We currently have four of those positions in the Northwest Territories in four different communities across the NWT, but no, they’re there to observe and monitor and act as a liaison with the RCMP and report activity to the RCMP and monitor the situation as it happens. Thank you.

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Question 174-17(5): Policing Presence In Small Communities

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

So, I gather from that answer that these constables work in conjunction with existing RCMP detachments. So they do not go to the issue of what I’m talking about here today, and that is communities, the number of communities in the Northwest Territories who currently do not have any police presence. So I’ll ask the Minister, has the department, has our government ever considered some form of auxiliary police department in the Northwest Territories that could be stand-alone outside of the RCMP in these small communities? Thank you.

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Question 174-17(5): Policing Presence In Small Communities

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Justice

Thank you. On April 1st of

2012 we signed a new 20-year agreement with the RCMP for services here in the Northwest Territories. We also are working closely with our counterparts in Nunavut and the Yukon on First Nations Policing. It’s a federal program. We’re hoping to have some success by working in a pan-territorial approach to try to get some funding for First Nations policing. We’re hoping for the best with that as well.

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Question 174-17(5): Policing Presence In Small Communities

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Final, short supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 174-17(5): Policing Presence In Small Communities

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In no way am I suggesting that the contract we have signed with the RCMP is not a good thing for the Northwest Territories. I believe that they provide a wonderful service and that should continue, but because of the regulations that came about, partially due to some of the unfortunate incidents that took place, one of them in Hay River and another one in Nunavut, the rules around having single-member detachments changed greatly. So we are bound by the rules that regulate the RCMP.

I’m not suggesting that the RCMP be replaced in any way. I’m talking about how we can get some form of police presence into the small communities where we currently do not have an RCMP detachment. If that means working with the other territories to come up with another level of policing, then we need to do that. I’d like to ask the Minister for more detail on what that model would look like. Thank you.

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Question 174-17(5): Policing Presence In Small Communities

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Justice

Thank you. I agree with the Member. I think it is time to be creative. It’s time to try to find a way to get a police presence in communities across the Northwest Territories. I’d be more than happy to get some additional information for Members on the First Nations policing work that the department is underway with the Yukon government and also with Nunavut. There have been discussions in the past by the former Minister of Justice and discussions will continue into the future. We’ll get that information.

Again, it’s very important that we look at creative ways and means, whether it’s through the Aboriginal Constable Program or First Nations Policing, or opportunities in some of our other communities to overnight RCMP officers in those communities. We have to do everything we can to ensure that there’s a police presence in communities that we can provide a presence in. Thank you.

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Question 174-17(5): Policing Presence In Small Communities

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Question 175-17(5): Community Caribou Hunt For Yellowknives Dene

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to address my questions to the Minister of Environment today. The Yellowknives Dene First Nation has had an understanding that ENR had offered support for a community caribou hunt. Yet, despite numerous requests, there has been no response up to this time. It’s getting close to the end of the season here.

Will the Minister honour the commitment made to support the community hunt for the Yellowknives Dene and Detah?

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Question 175-17(5): Community Caribou Hunt For Yellowknives Dene

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The Minister of ENR , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 175-17(5): Community Caribou Hunt For Yellowknives Dene

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There have been ongoing discussions. That offer has been on the table. Within the banned zone for the Bathurst, we’ve allocated 150 tags and there is a continued offer to assist the community with the hunt outside the banned area. Thank you.

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Question 175-17(5): Community Caribou Hunt For Yellowknives Dene

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you. Everything sounds copacetic, but that’s not the message I’m getting. I’m wondering if the Minister would get on the phone as soon as we’re done here.

The Yellowknives Dene First Nation has been cooperating with the Department of Environment and Natural Resources on recording the number of caribou they have harvested. Since 2010 the basis of this partnership has been an interim harvest agreement initially for two years and then extended for a year. Has the department signed an extension to this agreement for this year and, if not, why not? Mahsi.

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Question 175-17(5): Community Caribou Hunt For Yellowknives Dene

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Officials from ENR and my office upstairs are tracking the discussion here and they will be following up, as the Member has suggested. There have been a considerable number of meetings between the officials in ENR and the Yellowknives and they have been unable to come to a satisfactory agreement.

In the meantime, ENR has set up the processes to hand out tags and authorizations so that, in fact, the Yellowknives can take advantage of the opportunity to harvest 150 animals in the banned hunting area. As well, we’ve talked about a broader arrangement. We’ve just had a big Bathurst Management Herd Advisory Board meeting here in Yellowknife last week. So the intent is to come up with a way to do this, just keeping in mind that this is fundamentally still a conservation of wildlife protection issue and we are very interested in trying to resolve that with the Yellowknives. Thank you.

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Question 175-17(5): Community Caribou Hunt For Yellowknives Dene

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

I am very sad that the Minister has not come to an agreement and, in fact, would move independently, given that this is a government-to-government relationship we’re speaking of.

The Yellowknives Dene First Nation recognizes that Bathurst caribou need extra careful management and has cooperated with the department in this respect for several years. The leadership of the Yellowknives has not agreed to a tag system this year, yet the department is unilaterally issuing 2014 tags with the chief’s signature on them.

Why is the department disrespecting the leadership of the Yellowknives Dene First Nation in such a blatant manner? Mahsi.

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Question 175-17(5): Community Caribou Hunt For Yellowknives Dene

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you. I’m aware of the assertion of ENR handing out tags with the chief’s signature. I have not received that confirmation from ENR. The whole intent was, of course, to respond to the very many requests we’ve had from the Yellowknife members to be able to go out and hunt in the restricted area and we’ve done that, keeping everybody fully apprised of that interim step. Our preferred approach of course is, as the Member stated, we’d like to have an arrangement with the Yellowknives, same as we have with the Wek’eezhii, and hopefully have them fully involved in the development of a Bathurst Caribou Management Plan. Thank you.

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Question 175-17(5): Community Caribou Hunt For Yellowknives Dene

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Bromley .

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Question 175-17(5): Community Caribou Hunt For Yellowknives Dene

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you. All I can say is, huh? The Minister just said that in fact he was issuing tags and now he says he’s going to check with his people to see if they’re issuing tags. The Yellowknives Dene have offered a reasonable alternative to the tag system. They’ve offered to hunt up to 150 caribou and report back when that limit has been reached.

Why has the Minister rendered Bathurst caribou even more vulnerable by not accepting this entirely reasonable alternative to the tag system, or at least work with this Aboriginal government to come to a mutually agreed upon plan of action as this government always professes to do?

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Question 175-17(5): Community Caribou Hunt For Yellowknives Dene

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Let me be clear. We have and are handing out and have handed out, I understand, 150 tags, authorizations to Yellowknives to hunt. What I was talking about was the assertion by the Member that we were doing it somehow with the chief’s signature on the authorization. That particular fact I haven’t had confirmed from ENR.

We want to work out an arrangement with the Yellowknives that involves ENR, that involves monitoring, that involves a coordinated, cooperative effort to oversee this process as opposed to just having carte blanche and we’ll check back with you and trust us we’ll take care of it.. We want to have something like we have with the Wek’eezhii Board and which we have in other regions, as well, which is a much more coordinated, integrated, cooperative approach.

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Question 175-17(5): Community Caribou Hunt For Yellowknives Dene

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 175-17(5): Community Caribou Hunt For Yellowknives Dene

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I seek unanimous consent to go back on orders of the day; item 5, I believe it is.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery (Reversion)

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery (Reversion)

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

It might get me into trouble not to recognize my beautiful wife up there in the gallery along with my father and my mother-in-law. I know they’re not my constituents, but they are family from Fort Providence, Albert and Caroline Bonnetrouge, and my sister-in-law, Jackie Hope. Welcome to the gallery.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery (Reversion)

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery (Reversion)

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Mr. Nadli .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery (Reversion)

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery (Reversion)

Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, it’s a great honour to recognize Mr. Albert and Caroline Bonnetrouge, who are respected elders from Fort Providence. They are here to witness the proceedings of the Assembly. Also, two former constituents of mine, Jackie and Shyo.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery (Reversion)

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery (Reversion)

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Nadli . Item 7, oral questions. The Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 176-17(5): Family Supports For Traditional “on-The-Land” Pursuits

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of ITI . I talked about the special relationship with our people on the land and helping each other get out to the land. I made statements in 2012, on November 2nd , about

trappers and life on the land. I want to ask the Minister, given that knows what we contribute, has there been any type of discussion in terms of helping families get on the land with all the programs that we have offered through the government.

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Question 176-17(5): Family Supports For Traditional “on-The-Land” Pursuits

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 176-17(5): Family Supports For Traditional “on-The-Land” Pursuits

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Recently there was a traditional economy workshop held in Deline with the SRRB and, as well, CanNor helped us fund that. I would be happy to provide the Member with a copy of our presentation from that.

But getting to the programs that we do have and the assistance that we do have, of course, we have the Take a Kid Trapping and Take a Kid Harvesting, which are done through the schools in the Northwest Territories. We also have the Community Harvester Assistance Program, which is almost $1.1 million on an annual basis. We also have a number of other programs that we provide assistance to harvesters. The Community Harvester Assistance Program is another one. Through these programs at the local, level people

and families could approach the local authorities there to get some of that funding to get out on the land.

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Question 176-17(5): Family Supports For Traditional “on-The-Land” Pursuits

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

We certainly have supported the trappers, people who make their life on the land. It’s the point of view that we look at trapping or harvesting and being a fisherman, to being a trapper, to be a hunter. Some look at it as a business. We sometimes look at it as a way of life.

I want to ask the Minister of ITI , could he look across the different departments and say can we come up with a unique program, because we’re known for our uniqueness in the Northwest Territories through education, health, whatever, and say we can do this program, treatment, healthy living or education or whatever, but come up with a program that says this is a family program that promotes family togetherness out on the land. Can he do that?

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Question 176-17(5): Family Supports For Traditional “on-The-Land” Pursuits

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Traditional activities out on the land are considered to be productive choices under the Income Assistance program. Certainly that’s something that I can continue to have discussions with my Cabinet colleagues on how we can go about getting some funding to allow people to get out and pursue the traditional economy out on the land.

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Question 176-17(5): Family Supports For Traditional “on-The-Land” Pursuits

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

I look forward to seeing if anything can come forward from working with his colleagues, like productive choices through the Department of Education, Culture and Employment, so that people in the small communities can go to either the Department of RWED or to Education, Culture and Employment and say we want to take our family on the land, this is what it’s going to cost us to bring our families out, so that we have support from the government.

Would the Minister come forward within the life of this government, so maybe by next year we can have a program that would be offered to all people in the Northwest Territories?

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Question 176-17(5): Family Supports For Traditional “on-The-Land” Pursuits

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Yes, we could take a look at that, and I can let the Member know that we will take that into consideration and get him some type of response.

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Question 176-17(5): Family Supports For Traditional “on-The-Land” Pursuits

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 176-17(5): Family Supports For Traditional “on-The-Land” Pursuits

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If we come with this unique program that Mr. Ramsay is committing to look at and bring forward, it’s life on the land. The economy, that’s the business side, but I think it would be supporting the life on the land that supports our vision and goals of the 17th Assembly. I’ll ask the Minister, coming forward and getting some information back from our communities and seeing that we can pilot some type of unique program for the coming fall time. I’m

not too sure if that’s too short of a time, but I will look forward to some type of a movement on this.

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Question 176-17(5): Family Supports For Traditional “on-The-Land” Pursuits

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Yes, we will try to do that in as short order as we can. In the meantime though, we do have opportunities for community members to take

part in community hunts and community harvests under the Community Harvester Assistance Program, so if families wanted to get together and coordinate a trip out on the land to pursue traditional activities, there is currently programs and money available for them to do that.

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Question 176-17(5): Family Supports For Traditional “on-The-Land” Pursuits

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .

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Question 177-17(5): Safe Disclosure Of Information By GNWT Employees

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As follow-up to my Member’s statement earlier today, I’d like to ask the Minister of Human Resources , since the MOU with the Union of Northern Workers on the Safe Disclosure of Information Agreement that we signed into April 1, 2013, I’d just like to ask if there has been any uptake into that program. If so, how many, I guess, allegations or complaints did the GNWT receive?

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Question 177-17(5): Safe Disclosure Of Information By GNWT Employees

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . The Minister of Human Resources , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 177-17(5): Safe Disclosure Of Information By GNWT Employees

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. As of today, since the memorandum of understanding has been signed between the UNW and the GNWT, there have been no disclosures.

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Question 177-17(5): Safe Disclosure Of Information By GNWT Employees

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

As I mentioned, in the statement that was out on February 21st for the then-Minister of

Human Resources, it mentions that a safe disclosure coordinator was going to be put into position as well as a Safe Disclosure Panel.

Would the Minister have the costs of the staffing for this position for this past fiscal year that this government has approved? We aren’t getting any results on this safe disclosure of information pilot project, I guess you can say right now, or this agreement.

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Question 177-17(5): Safe Disclosure Of Information By GNWT Employees

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

I do not have the costs for the creation of the Safe Disclosure Panel. Also, if they do have a safe disclosure coordinator working with the panel or putting the panel together at the time an employee discloses some wrongdoing, harassment or other things that are found underneath this disclosure agreement, I don’t have the costs of those at this time with me. Thank you.

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Question 177-17(5): Safe Disclosure Of Information By GNWT Employees

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Mr. Speaker, the Minister mentioned that we had no uptakes in this program that we’ve had in place since April 1, 2013. That makes we wonder: why zero? We hear complaints. As MLAs

we hear a lot of these complaints in bringing these concerns forward.

Has the department done an effective awareness campaign? How is this information been going out to employees to let them understand that this GNWT is supporting them for coming forward to bring any types of allegations in which they feel there are some wrongdoings? Has the department done an effective campaign to our employees throughout the GNWT system? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 177-17(5): Safe Disclosure Of Information By GNWT Employees

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, every UNW employee in the GNWT was informed of the new provisions by letter in March 2013, a letter that was jointly signed by the Union of Northern Workers president and the deputy minister of Human Resources. A copy of the Safe Disclosure Provisions and Guidelines were posted on both the UNW and Human Resources websites, also articles outlining Safe Disclosure Agreement and the process were published on June 7th and September

20th in the editions of the GNWT employee

newsletter, posters were developed and shared at GNWT worksites in December of 2013, and senior managers across the GNWT have been briefed on the safe disclosure process and are able to assist employees once an employee makes a determination that they would like to disclose wrongdoing. Thank you.

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Question 177-17(5): Safe Disclosure Of Information By GNWT Employees

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Moses .

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Question 177-17(5): Safe Disclosure Of Information By GNWT Employees

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Knowing full well that we’re going to take this agreement on April 1, 2013, not everybody always goes to our websites to review some of this information, and hearing that we had posters out explaining this program in December 2013, nine months after this agreement was supposed to take place, I’d like to ask the Minister – it says that the Safe Disclosure Panel and coordinator will report annually – when can we expect to see a report tabled in this House of some of the best practices and probably some of the challenges or some things that we might not have taken into consideration when putting this agreement into place effectively, so that we might have gotten some statistics with this report?

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 177-17(5): Safe Disclosure Of Information By GNWT Employees

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, if HR is going to be tabling a report on the memorandum of understanding on safe disclosure, I don’t know what date that is going to be done. However, we are moving to legislation. We expect to have a legislative proposal in front of the House in the sitting of October 2014, and that will give the Assembly about a year to work on completing that legislation. Thank you.

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Question 177-17(5): Safe Disclosure Of Information By GNWT Employees

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 178-17(5): Nursing Services In Small Communities

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I just wanted to follow up on community health nursing. That was a great issue that Mrs. Groenewegen raised and it’s something I’ve been following for many, many years, the question of nursing in small communities. In her statement she asked basically what is the rationale, and I think the rationale is because there are no RCMP officers there. I don’t know if that’s a real policy.

I’d like to ask the Minister of Health what is the real policy about getting nurses into our communities, and if he has it, can he quote from it, can he show us? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 178-17(5): Nursing Services In Small Communities

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . Minister of Health , Mr. Abernethy .

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Question 178-17(5): Nursing Services In Small Communities

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There are a number of factors that we utilize when deciding whether to employ nurses throughout the Northwest Territories. The Integrated Service Delivery Model sets out standards for community health staff across the Northwest Territories. But as I indicated, when asked questions previously, it is under review and we are looking for ways to enhance the services in our small communities. RCMP is but one factor. It is not the deciding factor by any stretch of the imagination. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 178-17(5): Nursing Services In Small Communities

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Once again, we ought to be maximizing community health nursing and develop that capacity.

Just a quick look at Nunavut, every community, with the exception of Grise Fiord, has a nurse, and the nurses form the backbone of those communities and the backbone of the health care delivery system in Nunavut, so that’s exactly where we’re getting. I’ve listed many, many times where the community of Wrigley needed a nurse, where nurses really could have increased assistance to that community. Just for instance, in December 2005, two nine and 10-year-old girls broke their legs and they weren’t treated for four days.

In September of 2009, almost just over 60 percent of the community had flu-like systems during the H1N1 scare and there was nobody there to attend to them for about 10 days, so just a couple of instances.

I would like to know what our strategy is moving forward. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 178-17(5): Nursing Services In Small Communities

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Just by way of comparison, it’s my understanding that every community in Nunavut actually has an RCMP detachment, which we don’t.

There are a number of things going on here, and I do hear what the Member is saying and I have

indicated that we are going to review the ISDM to ensure that we are providing the right and appropriate supports in all of our communities. Right now the current ISDM services in communities doesn’t provide nurses permanent full time in communities with less than 250, but there are services that are clearly delivered in these small communities through nurse visits, physician visits. We have community health workers. We have community support workers. But I do hear the Members. I hear them clearly that we need to do more.

I will say again that we are reviewing the ISDM to see what kind of supports could be provided to the communities so that they get the health care that they are seeking. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 178-17(5): Nursing Services In Small Communities

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

I know that’s a struggle to get all the communities community health nurses. But in the instance of Wrigley, it’s about the return of nursing services. We had them there in the early ‘90s, and the community consistently asks me, why aren’t we getting our nurse back, what’s the issue there. Well, in fact, I made great strides in getting two dedicated RCMP for the community of Wrigley and establishment of a patrol cabin, as it were, so why aren’t we doing the same or even more to deliver health in our small communities such as Wrigley? Thank you.

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Question 178-17(5): Nursing Services In Small Communities

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

As I have indicated, there are a number of challenges, and as I have indicated, we are going to be looking at the ISDM. I will certainly be having discussions with the Members that are affected or who are responsible for the small communities. But there’s no such thing as a one-nurse station. In order to provide adequate coverage for on-call, for overtime and all those types of things as well as to make sure that there’s balance between the different professionals, we would need two. So, there are a lot of other factors that we have to consider, but we are going to review the ISDM with respect to coverage in small communities and we will work with Members. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 178-17(5): Nursing Services In Small Communities

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 178-17(5): Nursing Services In Small Communities

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I certainly look forward to the department’s plan and I would like to continue to push for it. In 2010 I thought I had resolution over getting nursing delivered in Wrigley, and I believe it was Tsiigehtchic through the same Integrated Service Delivery Model he’s talking about, so I would like to continue pressing that forward.

Once again, can he show me the policy, the regulation, something in writing where it says we cannot have less than two nurses in a small community? Thank you.

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Question 178-17(5): Nursing Services In Small Communities

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

I look forward to working with the Member as we move forward trying to solve this issue. Right now, as I indicated, the current ISDM doesn’t provide nursing services on a permanent full-time basis in communities of under 250 people.

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