Debates of Nov. 12th, 1998

This is page numbers 371 - 406 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 6th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was yellowknife .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Minister Absent From The House

Child And Family Services Legislation

1997/98 Business Development Fund Annual Report

NWT Association Of Social Workers

Accomplishments Of Andrew Dexter

Recognition Of Northern Teachers

Beaufort Delta Leaders' Conference - November 6-8, 1998

Remembrance Day In Nunavut

Wha Ti Road Project

Community Concerns In Aklavik

25th Anniversary Of Northern Addiction Services

Constituents In The Nursing Training Program

Drug Stores Move Away From Cigarette Sales

Recruitment And Retention Funding

Return To Oral Question 145-13(6): Agency Nurses Employment Status

Return To Oral Questions 116-13(6): Inuvialuit Wildlife Amendments

Return To Oral Questions 190-13(6): Keewatin Chief Electrical Inspector

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Employees' Confidentiality Requirements

Nursing Training Program

Inequities In Settlement Allowances

Appeal Of Bad Faith Bargaining Ruling

Treatment Of Youth Addictions

Student Financial Assistance Applications

Nursing Access Program

Update On 1999-2000 Business Plans

Item 8: Returns To Written Questions

Return To Written Question 5-13(6): Project To Reconstruct Highway # 3

Item 12: Reports Of Committees On The Review Of Bills

Tabled Document 32-13(6): Northwest Territories Power Corporation Annual Report 1997-98

Tabled Document 33-13(6): Business Development Fund Recipients: April 1, 1997 To March 31, 1998

Setting Of Sitting Hours By Speaker

Item 16: Motions

Setting Of Sitting Hours By Speaker

Bill 14: Nunavut Judicial System Implementation Act

Bill 15: Nunavut Statutes Amendment Act

Bill 16: Nunavut Statutes Replacement Act

Bill 17: Division Measures Act

Bill 18: Access To Information And Protection Of Privacy Statutes Amendment Act

Bill 19:

An Act To Amend The Public Highways Act And The Motor Vehicles Act

Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

Bill 19:

An Act To Amend The Public Highways Act And The Motor Vehicles Act

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Motion To Create Six Electoral Districts For The City Of Yellowknife

Motion To Create Five Electoral Districts For The City Of Yellowknife

Motion To Create Four Electoral Districts For The City Of Yellowknife

Extended Sitting Hours

Committee Motion To Amend Committee Motion 9-13(6)

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Bill 10:

An Act To Amend The Student Financial Assistance Act

Bill 11:

An Act To Amend The Workers' Compensation Act, No. 2

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Honourable Don Morin , Honourable Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable John Todd .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Enuaraq . Good afternoon. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Morin .

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Minister's Statement 68-13(6): Minister Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wish to advise Members that the Honourable Manitok Thompson will be absent from the House for the remainder of the week to attend the Ministers responsible for Consumer Affairs meeting in Charlottetown, Prince Edward Island. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 68-13(6): Minister Absent From The House

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Mr. Ng .

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Minister's Statement 69-13(6): Child And Family Services Legislation

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Department of Health and Social Services Child and Family Services Act and the Adoption Act were proclaimed on October 30 and November 1, 1998, respectively. The new Child and Family Services Act promotes a focus on prevention rather than intervention. It provides the opportunity for families to voluntarily receive help before a child protection concern arises. It takes into consideration aboriginal cultures and ensures that the best interests of the child always come first.

Mr. Speaker, the Child and Family Services Act provides an alternative to the court process through the use of what the legislation calls "Plan of Care Committees". These committees can be created for each family in need and can include family and community members. The new act encourages people and communities to become more responsible for their children and introduces the opportunity for communities to establish a child and family services committee. Mr. Speaker, the Department of Health and Social Services has devoted significant resources in preparing for the proclamation of the new act.

Over 100 supervisors and child welfare workers have received statutory training. In addition to the statutory training, other training sessions, workshops and presentation packages have been developed to provide information and resources to various other groups that do not require statutory training, but need some background on the new act.

Mr. Speaker, there has been wide distribution of information about the Child and Family Services Act to regional health boards, directors of social programs, RCMP, aboriginal organizations, hamlets, band offices and libraries. A child and family services standards and procedures manual based on the new act has been distributed to child protection workers.

Mr. Speaker, the Adoption Act also promotes consideration of the best interests of the child and the child's cultural heritage when making decisions. The Adoption Act introduces a shift towards open adoptions. When a child reaches the age of majority (19 years), the child, the birth parents and other significant people in the child's life can request full access to the adoption records. This act legislates the establishment of an adoption registry which will collect personal information about the adopted child when possible.

Adopted children will be able to access information about their family history, including medical, social, cultural and other information. Measures have been taken to ensure that information in the adoption registry will be secure.

The first training session for adoption workers will take place in Yellowknife, November 17-18, 1998. I am confident that the Child and Family Services Act and the Adoption Act will have a positive impact on the health and safety of children in the Northwest Territories. I would like to thank my colleagues in this House for their support and input in the development of this important legislation. I would also like to express my appreciation to the front line social workers and board staff who will be responsible for implementing the new act. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 69-13(6): Child And Family Services Legislation

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Minister's Statement 70-13(6): 1997/98 Business Development Fund Annual Report

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Later today at the appropriate time, I will table the 1997-98 Annual Report of the Business Development Fund. This year's report is divided into two parts. The first part reports on assistance to businesses through schedules A to E. These schedules assist businesses with development. Development assistance includes: start-up, development of business skills, new markets and products, and securing investment. The last

section,

schedule G, reports on financial assistance to community-based organizations for economic development projects that benefit entire communities, regions or sectors of the economy. This

schedule is designed to work in partnership with other community development programs. I would like to highlight some of the department's ongoing commitments to the private sector. This year's 1997-98 annual report shows that increases have been made in total client approvals from 298 in 1996-97 to 336 in 1997-98 and for community-based organizations, approvals increased from 123 in 1996-97 to 240 in 1997-98. Through schedules A to E, assistance was provided to 336 businesses. Of those, 251 were approvals to aboriginal applicants.

Again, in keeping with our efforts to promote opportunities for aboriginal businesses, I am also pleased to note that contributions to aboriginal businesses accounted for 75 percent of the approved total. Contributions to businesses totalled $4.8 million which levered an additional $4.3 million in equity investment and $15.3 million in other financing, injecting a total of $24.4 million into the economy.

Schedule G, the Community Initiatives Program, provided $7.5 million for 240 projects to community and regionally based organizations. Contributions to aboriginal organizations made up 95 percent of total approvals. These projects, which often involve infrastructure development, training and market development, lay the groundwork for economic growth in the future. Finally, Mr. Speaker, I would like to acknowledge all businesses and organizations that continue to support our northern economy. Through vision, determination and hard work all of us will continue to build the north together. Mahsi cho.

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Minister's Statement 70-13(6): 1997/98 Business Development Fund Annual Report

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Mr. Ng .

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Minister's Statement 71-13(6): NWT Association Of Social Workers

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to inform Members that the Northwest Territories once again has an active association of social workers. In January of this year, a group of social workers, with support from the Department of Health and Social Services, met and developed an action plan to reactivate their association. The association is now in operation with a membership of 90 northern professionals including social workers from the Yukon, Nunavut and the Northwest Territories. Mr. Speaker, the association held its first meeting in Inuvik from September 22 to 24.

The national president of the Canadian Association of Social Workers, Mr. John Mould, was able to attend these meetings to share his knowledge and experience with northern members. Board elections were held during the Inuvik meetings, and Ms. Nuelle Novik was elected president.

The association will be a strong voice and an advocate for social services professionals. It will embark on an educational campaign to inform the public and their colleagues about social work and the role social workers play in our communities. The association has identified three major initiatives that will be explored over the next year. These initiatives involve:

- Creating a joint territorial association, including the NWT, Yukon and Nunavut;

- Establishing membership in the Canadian Association of Social Workers; and

- Investigating the processes required to establish regulation and licensing of social workers in the north.

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Minister's Statement 71-13(6): NWT Association Of Social Workers

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Member's Statement 158-13(6): Accomplishments Of Andrew Dexter

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to pay tribute to the accomplishments of a constituent by the name of Andrew Dexter. Andrew recently attended the world power lifting championships in Grace, Austria as a junior which is up to 23 years of age. He competed in the 90 kilogram or 198 pound class. This event involves three lifts, the squat, the bench press and the dead lift. The lifter makes three attempts at each lift specifying how much weight he will attempt at that time. The heaviest amount successfully lifted in each style are then totalled to find the overall winner. Mr.

Speaker, I am very proud to say that Mr. Dexter, a fine northern boy, in fact, won his weight class and is the world powerlifter in the 198 pound class. I think that is a tremendous accomplishment, he competed against six other continents and to give you a sense of scale, Mr. Speaker, this young man squatted and lifted 634 pounds, he bench-pressed 440 pounds and he deadlifted 672 pounds, for a total of 1,746 pounds. This young man is just a little taller than me, but obviously he is much more powerful.

I would like this House to join with me in congratulating Andrew Dexter, we now have a world champion living in the Northwest Territories and he has made us all proud. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 158-13(6): Accomplishments Of Andrew Dexter

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Member's Statement 159-13(6): Recognition Of Northern Teachers

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon.

Mr. Speaker, I was to take a moment of the Legislative Assembly's time to give praise to some very important people in the northern communities. The individuals I am talking about are teachers. Teachers fill many roles. They are guidance counsellors, coaches, surrogate parents and friends to the students. This is in addition to the role they play in teaching our children. Our northern teachers continue to do their magic despite having to face cutbacks in funding to education. They have lost their vacation travel assistance and their private accommodation allowance.

In some communities, reasonable housing is unavailable. In the schools, teachers have had to deal with larger classes, occasional violence and in some instances, parental harassment. Mr. Speaker, most of the teachers I know work long and hard. I wish to thank the teachers of the north for their work and dedication. Thank you.

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Member's Statement 159-13(6): Recognition Of Northern Teachers

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Roland .

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Member's Statement 160-13(6): Beaufort Delta Leaders' Conference - November 6-8, 1998

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Beaufort Delta Leaders' recently held their conference from November 6th through to the 8th. This conference allows the leaders of every community in the Beaufort Delta to come together and meet Ministers and senior officials of this government. The conference is an opportunity for this government to provide information on ongoing initiatives as well as inform the leadership of any changes to programs and services. The conference is a forum for the leaders of the Beaufort Delta to inform this government of their community's ongoing concerns and to raise new issues.

Mr. Speaker, I have often said that it is important for us as representatives of the people to receive input first-hand from those directly affected by the decisions that we make. The opportunity has been given to this government to respond to the concerns raised at the conference, as well as the information provided later. Another opportunity is through responses to the motions passed at the closing of the conference.

Mr. Speaker, I believe it is important for this government to respond to the motions raised at the Beaufort Delta Leaders Conference in a timely manner and hope that this will be done. In closing, Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank Ministers Ng and Dent and the Western Caucus Chairman, Mr. Miltenberger , for taking the time out of their busy

schedule to attend the Beaufort Delta Leaders Conference. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 160-13(6): Beaufort Delta Leaders' Conference - November 6-8, 1998

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Member's Statement 161-13(6): Remembrance Day In Nunavut

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yesterday on November 11th, I joined many Canadians and others around the world in remembrance and appreciation of the millions of individuals that fell in the many wars of human history. Inuit understand, although very disapproving of wars, the importance of defending democracy. That, despite day-to-day struggles, Canada is a much better place to live than other countries, partly because freedom and democracy have been successfully defended in the past. The solemn events of Remembrance Day inevitably bring to mind others that have passed on - relatives, friends and acquaintances.

During this time of reflection, I thought of a particular group of people who much deserve to be remembered as well. In the world of the Inuit people, my people, are providers. The brave and dedicated hunters are greatly valued on a daily basis throughout the year. Hundreds of hunters venture out on the land or out to sea to provide food for their families and communities. This is not done as a past-time, hobby or enjoyment, but is necessary for survival. Even today, food from the land is far more important and used than store-bought or manufactured foods.

Mr. Speaker, even with the most experienced hunter, this is a dangerous occupation, one that has and continues to take lives. In the past four years alone, more than a dozen hunters that I personally know have perished while out on the land and sea while carrying out their duties. Fortunately, far more possible tragedies are averted than those that actually occur and for this we are thankful. However, history has shown that as we head into another long winter, we will likely have our share of lost and missing hunters, accidents, and quite possibly some will turn out tragically. (Translation ends) I would like unanimous consent to conclude. Thank you.

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Member's Statement 161-13(6): Remembrance Day In Nunavut

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Baffin South is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? Mr. Arlooktoo , you have unanimous consent.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was going to say finally that with this remembrance, I hope I have not taken away from the seriousness and importance of Remembrance Day, but added to it by also remembering those among us who risk their lives on a daily basis, while in service for their community. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 161-13(6): Remembrance Day In Nunavut

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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Member's Statement 162-13(6): Wha Ti Road Project

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today, I would like to inform this House of the project the community of Wha Ti has been working on for the last two years. Over the past two years, the community has contributed approximately $142,000 with the Department of Transportation also contributing to the construction of the 30 kilometre road that goes from Wha Ti to Lac La Martre Falls. This road will provide a number of opportunities to the community and its residents. To date all the work has been done by the residents, which has created badly needed employment in a very high unemployed area.

This road will allow residents easier access to firewood for their homes where currently, it is very difficult to get at.

There are also a number of areas along this road that have been identified for picnic areas which will develop in due course. There will also be access to Lac La Martre Falls, an area with great tourism potential, a historical and traditional site that has been used for generations as a transportation route to Rae-Edzo. Other developments will also take place along this road, one example would be a developed boat-launching area at the Falls. By developing this road, it will continue to be used and developed into a more permanent area for all other surrounding residents to use and enjoy.

I fully support this initiative and it is good to see communities taking forefront on their own developments. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 162-13(6): Wha Ti Road Project

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Krutko .

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Member's Statement 163-13(6): Community Concerns In Aklavik

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to make a statement today in regard to some of the concerns the community of Aklavik has regarding what has happened in their community. Mr. Speaker, the first item I would like to speak to, is in regard to the school which is presently being constructed. I would like to thank the government for that. This contract has been issued to a joint-venture company which is made up of the Gwich'in and Inuvialuit and the aboriginal committee in Aklavik. Mr.

Speaker, I would like to also note that in Aklavik there have been two positions cut in the last year and so far, this year, they have recorded up to 18 percent enrolment. Like most other schools, there is a lot of stress on the teachers and the students in those classrooms to deal with the increased enrolment, but also the lack of materials and resources to work with.

Mr. Speaker, also with construction contracts in the community of Aklavik, there is a concern regarding the length and time it takes for these contracts to be awarded and issued and the construction to start. For instance, Mr. Speaker, the school in Aklavik which was basically in the budget in April, negotiations did not conclude until late June. There was still information flowing back and forth between the Inuvik regional office and headquarters here in Yellowknife. In regards to that time being delayed, the community had to postpone the project which they were hoping to have concluded by this spring.

Because of that, Mr. Speaker, the project will have to be extended due to the costs of moving materials into Aklavik this fall. All materials were not able to get there.

Another matter, Mr. Speaker, is the airport in Aklavik. Presently, the airport has been downgraded in regard to the status it held. Because of the downgrade, it means that the airspace for Aklavik has declined due to concern from the government because of the length of the airport. Also, because the health centre exceeds the allowable height in the community because of its location next to the airport. This downgrade means that the community of Aklavik will receive less flights. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Member's Statement 163-13(6): Community Concerns In Aklavik

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Mackenzie Delta seeks unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do I have any nays? Mr. Krutko , you have unanimous consent.

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Member's Statement 163-13(6): Community Concerns In Aklavik

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, colleagues. In regard to the airport, it means that there will be less flights into Aklavik which means there will be more costs associated with having to bring goods in with smaller aircraft than having the ability to have larger aircraft supply the community which is isolated.

The other concern that the community has is in relation to gravel. This matter has been brought up several times by myself and it is a concern to the community. The poor condition they find their roads in and not having an adequate gravel source, the community feels they need gravel supplied locally due to the high cost of bringing it in.

Another point the community has is the high cost of fuel and gas in the community. Mr. Speaker, a lot of us here take the costs of gas for granted, but in Aklavik, it costs over 90 cents a litre. Ten gallons of gas, which is almost 50 litres, costs almost $45. Mr. Speaker, these are some of the concerns that have been raised by my constituents in Aklavik and I will be asking the Ministers concerned on these different matters. Thank you.

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Member's Statement 163-13(6): Community Concerns In Aklavik

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. I do not have the rule book in front of me but Members are reminded in their Members' statement, to address the statement to one item, not one community. Members' statement. Mr. Ootes .

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Member's Statement 164-13(6): 25th Anniversary Of Northern Addiction Services

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to speak today about Northern Addiction Services. Next week marks the 25th anniversary of the Northern Addiction Services. It provides drug and alcohol rehabilitation programs to all residents of the Northwest Territories and on average, 200 citizens have been treated at the facility for some years.

The society was incorporated in 1973 and as a result today, there is a 12-bed detox centre located on main street here in Yellowknife that serves 140 adults on a short-term counselling basis annually. It also has a ten-bed youth centre which provides youth inhalant solvent recovery programs and provides more than a dozen opportunities for youth per year. Unfortunately, the youth program has been cancelled due to budget cuts of this government.

An adult centre opened in Yellowknife in 1991 and it is located on the Detah road. It is a 28-bed facility. It provides alcohol, drug and substance abuse services. Alcohol, drug and substance abuse is the number one concern for us here in the Northwest Territories. Because of alcohol and drug abuse, we see a lot more violence, family violence, increased suicides, crime and sexual abuse, Mr. Speaker. Recent consultations by the Northern Addiction Services has shown that there is a continued need for support for people with addictions. There needs to be improved follow-up care, more youth programs, and additional treatment capacity.

On this 25th anniversary, I would like to congratulate the staff and the board members of Northern Addiction Services for their continued commitment to citizens of the Northwest Territories. I would also like to recognize two people who were instrumental in the establishment of the service, Winnie Fraser-McKay and Thelma Tees. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 164-13(6): 25th Anniversary Of Northern Addiction Services

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Page 375

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Barnabas .

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Member's Statement 165-13(6): Constituents In The Nursing Training Program

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Page 375

Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there are some students who are here for a nursing training program and one of them is my constituent who is attending this nursing program. Mr. Speaker, some of these students have had to live off their own money in order to continue their training program and they have come across some problems. It has to do with lack of financial support. They have had to use their own money to buy food and pay for other expenses like child care. They have had some concerns regarding financial assistance.

One of them has approached me about her particular problem. Although they have requested more funding, they have been turned down. Using that as an example, Mr. Speaker, if a student has to pay for rent, they would have to pay over $300 in rent and it only leaves about $200 for food and other expenses. These are some of the problems that have been experienced by nursing students. At the appropriate time, Mr. Speaker, I will be asking the Minister of Education regarding this issue. I also would like to state that in support of the students, if they were to be assisted financially, they would have an easier time with their training program. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .

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Member's Statement 166-13(6): Drug Stores Move Away From Cigarette Sales

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 375

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to congratulate and applaud a local company who is doing their share to promote health in the north and that is Sutherland's Drugs, who stopped selling cigarettes earlier this fall. Mr. Speaker, Sutherland's felt that it was hypocritical for them to promote health as a drugstore and yet to be destroying health by selling cigarettes. The issue was why should they continue to sell cigarettes. Finally they decided that they should not. They decided they should be proactive.

Some of the factors they looked at in making this decision include that other drugstores have stopped selling them including Ring's Pharmacy in Hay River. Some provinces have actually instituted legislation against drugstores selling cigarettes. Also the mark up on cigarettes does not really cover the cost of selling them. In fact, they predict it will save them on their insurance costs because many break-ins today are by people in search of cheap cigarettes. Actually there is a local business that was just broken into for cigarettes and bars are often broken into for booze and cigarettes. Apparently, cigarettes are a hot item.

Mr. Speaker, the manager at Sutherland's Drugs has not noticed any direct detrimental effect because of the decision to stop selling cigarettes. In fact, they get a lot of positive comments and surprisingly most of the positive comments come from the people that used to buy cigarettes there. They claim they have not lost any customers from doing this and, in fact, it seems that people seem to shop there just as much as before, if not more often. Mr. Speaker, I would ask the Members here to join me in applauding Sutherland's Drugs for their move to stop selling cigarettes. Thank you.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Member's Statement 167-13(6): Recruitment And Retention Funding

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Page 375

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, on Monday Minister Dent announced an extra $2 million in training funds for health and social services workers in the Northwest Territories and Nunavut. Mr. Speaker, that was indeed a good announcement. With the training dollars announced the Minister indicated that the nursing access year would be operated in Nunavut and the NWT this January. This follows the suspension of the same program earlier when available NUHRDS funding was not in place and the participants had to quit the program after the first year. Mr.

Speaker, with the many concerns heard and raised in this House about the nursing shortages and retention of same, indeed this extra $2 million will help us with the problems over our medical professionals with the ground work to train staff locally and retain such staff.

Mr. Speaker, later today I will ask the appropriate Minister, Mr. Dent , for some more information on Monday's announcement. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 375

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Again, I want to correct my reminder to Mr. Krutko . under Members' statements it does say that you cannot exceed two and a half minutes but also you have confine yourself to one matter not one item. It does not say what the matters can be, so I do not think I should have said that it is not restricted to one community. I just wanted to correct myself. Item 4, returns to oral questions, Mr. Ng .

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Return To Oral Question 145-13(6): Agency Nurses Employment Status

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Page 375

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return

to an oral question asked by Mr. Henry on November 4, 1998, in respect to agency nurses employment status.

On November 4, 1998 the Member asked the question regarding the employment arrangement for agency nurses.

Agency nurses are used across the Northwest Territories, generally to provide temporary relief services. They are not employees of the Government of the Northwest Territories.

When agency nurses are required, the board contacts an agency, which in turn supplies the required number of nurses. The board then signs a contract with the agency. It is the agency which is paid for the service. The nurse remains an employee of the agency at all times. Thank you.

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Page 376

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Returns to oral questions. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Return To Oral Questions 116-13(6): Inuvialuit Wildlife Amendments

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 376

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

This is in response to a question asked by Mr. Steen on September 24, 1998. It is in regard to the Inuvialuit Wildlife Amendments.

The Wildlife Conservation Act, Bill 27, was introduced in 1991 to make various amendments to the Wildlife Act, including changes to recognize the Inuvialuit Final Agreement (IFA). Although the Bill was not approved by the Legislature, amendments to recognize the IFA were made in 1994 when a completely new

section (Part II) was added to the act.

The department has prepared an amendment to the Wildlife Act which will formally recognize the Gwich'in and Sahtu Land Claims. The department is currently consulting with the Gwich'in and Sahtu claimant organizations on the amendment.

Furthermore, the department is still committed to a thorough and comprehensive review of the Wildlife Act following division of the Northwest Territories.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Returns to oral questions. Mr. Morin .

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Return To Oral Questions 190-13(6): Keewatin Chief Electrical Inspector

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 376

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. O'Brien on November 9, 1998, on behalf of the Honourable Jim Antoine , Minister of Public Works and Services .

The position of Regional Electrical Inspector in the Keewatin is not vacant. The employee in that position is on extended leave, and his return date is uncertain. In his absence the duties of the inspector are being covered from headquarters. A headquarters inspector is scheduled to be in Rankin Inlet and Arviat during the last week of November.

Public Works and Services has not received any complaints about the current handling of inspections. If the Member for Kivallivik is aware of any specific problems, I would be happy to look into them and take appropriate measures. Thank you.

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Page 376

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 376

Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have the pleasure today of recognizing three individuals in the gallery, all very busy people on the division file. Mr. Joe Kunuk is the Deputy Minister of the Executive for the Nunavut government, he is among other things the former mayor of Iqaluit and president of the Nunatsiaq Liberal Party. Mr. Rick Bargery is our Assistant Deputy Minister of Division, and also Mr. John Quirke is the Clerk designate for the Nunavut Legislative Assembly.

--Applause

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Page 376

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions Mr. Ootes .

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Question 206-13(6): Employees' Confidentiality Requirements

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 376

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I received a reply to a previous question about employee confidentiality agreements for those who were working on the P3 process and the Premier was kind enough to send me an explanation. My question for the Premier is, that since employees sign an oath of office and agreement to secrecy, why was this extra request made of employees. It seems to me to be redundant, why would we need two? Thank you.

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Page 376

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Samuel Gargan

The Premier , Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you. It is a pleasure to be back, Mr. Speaker. It is a reminder to remind them of the utmost importance of keeping secretive their duties, especially while they are dealing with peoples' financial stuff. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ootes .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

The oath of secrecy and oath of office is a fairly straightforward oath and I understand that the P3 secrecy agreement is much more complicated and legalistic. I wonder if the Premier could tell us if those employees who were required or are required in future, will be given legal assistance to have them look at this? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. They do have special training programs for this thing. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question was, will those individuals who will be required to sign this be provided independent legal advice on signing such a document? Thank you.

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Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. No.

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Samuel Gargan

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

I wonder if the Premier would reconsider that. It is a very complicated piece of document that they have to sign, very legalese. I wonder if the Premier would reconsider that. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would be pleased to look into it for the Member but I do not think there is any requirement for them to have independent legal counsel, employees of the Government of the Northwest Territories. I believe that the Department of Justice has lots of lawyers. We will look into it for the Member and get back to him. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Question 207-13(6): Nursing Training Program

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 377

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Following up on my earlier member's statement about the nursing access year to be offered in Nunavut as announced on Monday by Mr. Dent , will that program be a repeat of the earlier program that was cancelled because of NUHRDS cuts earlier? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe it will be much the same program as was offered earlier, yes, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the program that was earlier cut was a considerable cause of a concern with the students, of course, in the program. I am wondering what type of consultation has been done with Nunavut Arctic college with this announcement? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the biggest part of consultation has been with the Department of Education in Nunavut government because that department will have to agree to fund the program on an ongoing basis. We are optimistic that the department will agree that that program should be funded and that is why we are proposing to pay for an access program in this current year. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. What type of consideration was given to the participants on the earlier program, will they be prioritized for this program, will they have to repeat that program, what type of work was done for them? Thank you.

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Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I cannot answer specifically what sort of priority earlier students would have received. If students have already completed this course or this type of course, it would not make a lot of sense for them to repeat the course. Far better that they plan on attending the first year of the course of study if Nunavut Arctic College is successful at getting the Department of Education in Nunavut to fund the course. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 378

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I guess, that was the point, that we already had a one-year program that was cancelled; so I wonder why the Department of Education did not look at funding the second year of this program when you have already have students who are trained. Why repeat a program when you had students start a program they were told we could not fund, so now they are sitting around? This program starts in January and they have already done it. What do you do with people that have been trained for it now, a year or two years sitting around?

Why was there no consideration given to the department to fund the program for two years and the second year of the program, not at the entry level year? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this government's responsibility for funding Nunavut Arctic College ends on March 31, 1999. It would be impossible to run a program as we could not complete a program in that period of time. Since we were only recently allocated these funds, we looked at what was possible and have found it possible to complete an access program. Therefore, recognizing the need to train more nurses in the Nunavut region, we feel it is worthwhile embarking on this exercise at this time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 208-13(6): Inequities In Settlement Allowances

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Page 378

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to Mr. Todd , the Minister responsible for the Financial Management Board . I have spoken in the past about the unjust inequities, in the process the government has developed in determining settlement allowances, because Yellowknife is used as a basis for determining the allowances paid to GNWT employees in other communities. Yellowknife government employees have received no settlement allowance increases in this round of collective bargaining.

When I last questioned the Minister, he stated because there was an offer on the table with the UNW on a new collective agreement, he was not prepared to revisit the issue at this time. At that same time, Mr. Speaker, the Minister did advise the House that he would give it some serious consideration. I am wondering, Mr.

Speaker, now that pay equity has been removed from the table and both sides are back at the bargaining table because of the unjustness and unfairness of this particular part, will the government look at putting more money into the kitty for the employees of the Government of the Northwest Territories working in Yellowknife? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We are at the bargaining table right now. As I have said on a number of occasions, and I said to my honourable colleague, for those that did not hear me, that we are not in a position and I am not prepared to intervene in the whole bargaining process. What I was prepared to do was take a look at how we evaluated the northern allowance component of Yellowknife versus Hay River. I think that was the discussion at the time and we are doing that. As far as the collective bargaining process, it would be inappropriate for the Minister to intervene in sensitive negotiations at this late hour. Thank you.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would remind the Minister that I hear it quite well, thank you.

--Applause

Mr. Speaker, my understanding is that when two parties go back to the table, either side can introduce points that they have already talked about. If there is a new point introduced, no it cannot be negotiated at that time. What I am saying is, this is an unfair situation and I am saying to the government, why do you not correct this unjust situation now at this time when you have and it is not a case of interfering in the collective bargaining process. The parties are back at the table. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Mr. Henry , for the record what was your question?

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, my question to the Minister is, why will he not introduce this and create a solution to an unjust situation? Why will he not direct his negotiators to correct the situation? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

While I can appreciate my colleague's concern, his definition of unjust is exactly his definition. I do not see the situation as unjust, I see the situation with the analysed, with what the question was raised here several months ago. We are doing that, I have no intentions of intervening at this time, at this late juncture in the collective process. Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my

question at this time will be directed to the Minister responsible for Finance . I would like to know if the news has come out regarding the UNW's position to appeal the decision on the bad faith bargaining issue that was decided some time ago. What affect or impact does that have on the mediation talks that are ongoing right now? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That was as much a surprise to me as it was to my honourable colleague that they would appeal at this late juncture, the ruling provided by Justice Richard. As far as I am concerned, we are bargaining in good faith. I hope, as I said earlier this morning, we can come to an agreement in a matter of days and move on so that our membership can vote on the agreement and get the money in the hands of our employees prior to Christmas. What impact will it have? In my opinion, none at this late juncture. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister inform us, seeing that tomorrow will be our last day of session for a bit, how will you keep us informed as Members of this Assembly if anything were to change between now and December? Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

I will do the best I can to communicate with my colleague as I frequently do every morning, along with everybody else. I want to be clear here, I cannot intervene in the bargaining process as has been suggested. I can not put new stuff on the table, the reality is we have tabled what we think is a fair and reasonable offer. We are optimistic, I certainly am, that we will come to an agreement through the mediation this week or next week. I would hope the UNW would see the justice in allowing its membership to vote on this agreement.

If there are any significant changes, and this government has to take a particular course of action, I will assure that the House knows, all the Members know, either through the written word. Thank you.

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Question 210-13(6): Treatment Of Youth Addictions

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng , regarding a press release that went out about the department and stakeholders seeking a new approach to the treatment of youth addictions. I would like to ask the Minister exactly who is involved in this initiative and what role does the alcohol and drug treatment, the people that deliver such programs in the communities, have on this committee? For instance, the Tl'oondih Healing Society, which deal with youth and alcohol programs, will they also be allowed to take

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I do not have all the names of all the individuals or groups involved in the review of the youth services treatment. I will commit to getting that information and advising all Members. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister tell me if groups in my riding, such as the alcohol and drug committees in each of the communities, and also the Tl'oondih Healing Society who does play an active role regarding youth addictions, will they be available to access funds through this program in developing their input into this so that they can feel they are a part of this review process?

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I can commit that certainly the results of our plan would be distributed to treatment centres that are interested so they could have an opportunity to have some input into the development of this policy, prior to it being finalized. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I believe it is imperative that communities, especially aboriginal communities, play a very active role in this study and report because of the problem I have had to deal with in this House in the last three years, especially dealing with the problems and concerns I have in my riding, which seem to be making a lot of headlines lately. I would like to ask the Minister exactly how does he see the involvement of these groups in this initiative and will they be actively involved in it?

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I indicated, they will have an opportunity to see the results of what is being planned and have an opportunity to have some input into that process by suggesting any changes, or confirming if we are heading in the right direction, in respect to those youth treatment services. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I heard the Minister say they will be actively involved. Will there be a public consultation process where there will be workshops in all communities, in the regions, so that you do have access to all outlining communities, and this initiative does not only become a Yellowknife initiative?

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there are no plans right now to have extensive community consultations, otherwise we would not be able to put together anything in a timely fashion, in order to try and address these needs. What I had indicated is that for interested stakeholders, we will make available whatever policy is put in place, to give them an opportunity to review it and have some input into what is being contemplated. Thank you.

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as per my Member's statement earlier, I would like to ask the Minister of Education how the department monitors the students who are applying for grants and loans under the Student Financial Assistance? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 380

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, everyone is treated the same under our Student Financial Assistance Program. A prospective student applies using the forms which are provided by the department. They fill out the forms, and return them to the department and the level of support is then assessed according to the responses from the student. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my next supplementary question is, are these sufficient loans or grants for the student's support? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is important to point out that the name of the program is Student Financial Assistance. It was not intended to be a program that provides 100 percent of the costs to students. It is recognized that students must also rely on their friends and family and on finding part-time work when they are not in school. The program could not afford to cover 100 percent of the cost for all of the applicants for Student Financial Assistance in the territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, some of these students are not from here, they are from outside of Yellowknife. It costs a lot of money, especially in the High Arctic area, when you have to send money to the student or anywhere else from outside of Yellowknife. They have to pay the amount of money they are sending plus fees and things like that. Mr. Speaker, my next question is, how does the Department of Education check to see if they are sufficient? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I think it is important to note that most students travel to take their education. Not all students travel just to Yellowknife, but a considerable number travel to Fort Smith, Inuvik, Rankin Inlet, Iqaluit, and Cambridge Bay, the regional centres, in order to take their training in northern colleges. Other students travel across Canada to attend university and southern colleges. The program is the same for all students in the Northwest Territories, and the students themselves will have to determine when they need to apply for additional assistance.

We do offer programs such as needs-assessed loans, which the student can, after they have used up their grants, apply for. As the name would suggest, that is based on an assessment of the student's needs. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 212-13(6): Nursing Access Program

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, following up on my earlier question on the access program for nursing, Mr. Speaker, the Nursing Access Program. We already had the first year of that access program as we have ascertained. We have people who completed the first year. I wonder, could the Minister elaborate on who or what department does the Department of Education consult with on the offering to fund the Nursing Access Program again for the first year, beginning in January? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Just to remind the Members, when you direct your question to a Minister, to say so. The Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I have previously indicated, the main consultation was with the Department of Education with the Government of Nunavut because they have to provide the support to the college to ensure the program can continue. There was also consultation with our Department of Health and Social Services, as well as with the Nunavut Department of Health and Social Services. The proposal was basically among the funding agencies. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, just for clarification, for example, in this case if the Minister is going to fund the first year, what is the difference in the consultation for funding for the second year? You are saying to begin with that well we have to make sure that the Nunavut government can commit to the second year? We have already had the first year, why cannot they commit to the second year? If this government funded the second year it is still a nine month program either way you slice it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am not sure I understand the question. As I had previously indicated to the Member, this government is responsible for funding the operations of the Nunavut region only for approximately five more months. There is no way that a program could be started in January that would take in the students who had already completed an access program, and have it concluded by March 31, 1999.

Unless there is a commitment on the behalf of the Nunavut government to carry on the program, there is no point in starting the first year of an ongoing program, so what we are doing is providing an upgrading program. The Government of Nunavut may choose to fund the program through Nunavut Arctic College or they may choose to support students to take the course here in Yellowknife. We do not know yet what the final result will be with the Government of Nunavut but we are confident enough that students from Nunavut should get the access program because they will find a way, I am sure, to continue on with their studies. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I guess my point is that we have already had an access program. If the Minister is indicating again that the access program is only a five month program, I am wondering what then the second year of the nursing program is, would it be nine months? January to March is three months. Nunavut starts on April 1 so is he committing right now with these funds announced that he is only funding the program from January to March for three months or, is he looking at funding them from January to June for six months? Is the program a five-month program or is it a six-month program, what is the duration?

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this government cannot commit funds beyond March 31, 1999. I believe that the access program will be completed by March 31, 1999. That is the limit of what we can fund. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Final supplementary, Mr. Picco

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Minister is telling me that he indicates that he thinks the Nunavut government can recruit students over the next six weeks to start a program in January that is going to end in March. He is going to run a 12-week program, that is what he is funding, is that correct? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am not absolutely certain how long the program is but I believe it is around 13 weeks. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 213-13(6): Update On 1999-2000 Business Plans

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Page 382

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister responsible for Finance . I wonder if the Minister would give this House a brief update or tell us the status on the capital and business plans that are being put together now and the timing of these? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe this morning the FMBS approved the business plans for the west and east. What is important here is that we would then move the western business plans if you like, forward to the Western Caucus for review. The situation in the east is slightly different in that we do have the Office of the Interim Commissioner preparing plans as well. We are going to provide our business planning for the Nunavut government, for the year 1999-2000 to the Interim Commissioner's office as advice to him and to his group. If they so choose to use that, that is up to them.

At the present time they were approved today. They will be forwarded to the Western Caucus and the Nunavut Caucus, as well as the Office of the Interim Commissioner. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Minister has indicated that the plans put forth to the Interim Commissioner's office are just primarily advice. When might the Nunavut Members expect to see these plans and have some input into them?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

We have prepared the business plans based upon the two new agreements that were recently signed both east and west with Mr. Martin, the federal Finance Minister . Based upon our best calculated experience in terms of where money is spent, et cetera, the Nunavut Caucus from an eastern perspective will be provided with these business plans tomorrow probably or the next day. We have also been sharing them with the Interim Commissioner's Office. I believe that is why Mr.

Kunuk is here this week as well as a number of other things, the Nunavut Caucus and the business plans as we have prepared them, and what is being done in respect to the Interim Commissioner's office and his business plans. At some point there has to be a meeting and a consensus has to be reached as to how you are going to move forward with a business plan so that when the new Nunavut government gets elected, it has an opportunity to review it and, if it agrees with the business plan, approve it or not.

It is kind of an awkward situation in a sense because there is the Interim Commissioner's office out there that currently has the authority and legislative authority to approve budgets. Yet, we have an election coming on February 15th that will bring a new Nunavut Legislature that will ultimately approve a new budget, I would suggest, some time after April. We will provide as quickly as we can to everybody our best effort if you want, the business plans for the Nunavut government.

It will then be up to the Interim Commissioner's office, Nunavut Caucus and others to determine whether these plans are appropriate and hopefully move it forward at the end of the day to the new Assembly once it gets elected on February 15, 1999. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Item 7, Written questions. Item 8, Returns to written questions. Mr. Clerk.

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