Budget, Wildlife — 3 October 1996 (13th Assembly, 3rd Session, pp. 831–877)
1996-10-03, 13th Assembly 3rd Session, pp. 831–877
Northwest Territories — Debates (Hansard)
Debates of Oct. 3rd, 1996
This is page numbers 831 - 877 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.
The word of the day was community .
Topics
Members Present
Item 1: Prayer
1996 Forest Fire Season
Senior's Fuel Subsidy Program
Creation Of Resources, Wildlife, And Economic Development
Item 3: Members' Statements
Fetal Alcohol Syndrome And Fetal Alcohol Effect
Issues Discussed At The Kitikmeot Leaders Meeting
Tragedies Experienced By Residents Of Amittuq
Concerns Regarding GNWT Preparations For Division
Long Weekend Boating Accident In Rae-edzo
Absence From The House
Personal Priorities In The Next Few Weeks
Relationship Between Cabinet And Ordinary Members
Disadvantages Of The Sale Of Staff Housing
Process For Negotiating A Northern Accord
Concerns About Aboriginal Cultural Attitudes
The Need For A Diamond Evaluation And Sorting Plant In The North
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Housing Strategy For Education Staff
Concerns With The Capital Planning Process
Changes To The Ultimate Removal Process
Northern Accord Negotiation Process
Accommodation For NWT Teachers
Person Year Reduction Figures
Staff Housing For NWT Teachers
Process For Sale Of Staff Housing
Seniors' Fuel Subsidy Program
Status Of The Mortgage Investment Corporation
Court Challenge To The Federal Gun Legislation
Future Of The Power Corporation Post Division
Revised Transportation Infrastructure Strategy
Legal Advice On The Court Challenge To The Federal Gun Legislation
New Ultimate Removal Assistance Guidelines
Item 12: Reports Of Committees On The Review Of Bills
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
Item 22: Orders Of The Day
Members Present
Hon. James Antoine, Hon. Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Hon. Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Hon. Samuel Gargan , Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Kelvin NG , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Hon. Manitok Thompson , Hon. John Todd
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Item 1: Prayer
Item 1: Prayer
Page 831
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Good afternoon, members. Before I proceed with the orders of the day, I would like to make a ruling regarding the point of privilege made by the Honourable Stephen Kakfwi .
On October the second, 1996, the member for Sahtu, the Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , raised a point of privilege that his right as a member would be infringed upon by another member tabling documents and petition that originate from his constituency. Mr. Kakfwi , in stating his point of privilege, indicated that tabling documents and presenting petitions from his constituency would be his duty and responsibility to do as their elected representative. In reviewing the unedited Hansard of the documents that the member from Hay River had tabled, which were the basis for the point of privilege by Mr. Kakfwi :
The first document tabled numbered 69-13(3) was a resolution of the Native Womens Association on the naming of the new western territory. The second document that was tabled by the member for Hay River, was a resolution from the Dene National Assembly of the Dene nation. The member for Hay River, Ms. Groenewegen , was in a process of tabling a third document, which according to the unedited Hansard, was a resolution from the Deh Cho First Nations Assembly. Mr. Kakfwi noted in his point of privilege that it would not be proper for another member to table a document that originated from another members constituency.
The documents in question however, were both from organizations that cross a number of members' constituency boundaries. Thus, are not specific to one constituency. I indicated in my ruling on the point of order, which was also raised by Mr. Kakfwi , that a member has a right to table any document provided that it does not contain any improper language and meets the normal procedural rules applied to tabled documents.
Specifically under rule 43: "A member may provide to the House any document which may be in the public interest." The point before us is not an infraction of the rules or of a members privilege. I am of course, not at liberty to comment on how members decide amongst themselves to bring issues or documents to the floor of the House. In this case, I rule that Mr. Kakfwi does not have a point of privilege, and the member from Hay River can, at the appropriate time, table the document she started to table yesterday if the member wishes to do so.
Orders of the day, Ministers' Statement. Mr. Kakfwi .
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Minister's Statement 85-13(3): 1996 Forest Fire Season
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 831
Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Forest fires this year, concentrated in the area between Yellowknife, Fort Simpson, and Norman Wells.
In 1996, 350 fires burned 364,000 hectares of forest. This is one tenth the amount that was burned in 1995. Despite twice as many fires as last year, expenditures of fire management remained within budget. These expenditures included the number of prescribed burns near Fort Providence and Fort Resolution for habitat management purposes and the trial use of CANSO's in communities where the larger air tankers can not be stationed. In total, the 3 CANSO's flew about 50 missions. A cost/benefit analysis on the use CANSO's will be completed this fall.
Reducing the cost of forest fire management has been one of our priorities. After cost-saving measures were introduced in 1995 by the previous Minister, forest fire suppression expenditures dropped from $27 million in 1994 to $14 million in 1995, and approximately $11 million dollars in 1996. These cost-saving measures will be evaluated this winter including the forest fire prevent program. Through this million dollar program, communities could apply for funding to reduce the threat of forest fires around areas important to communities. In 1995, the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs matched funding and 18 communities initiated work to construct new or complete old fire guards.
The work was contracted to local corporations or band councils and provided seasonal employment both before and after the peak fire season. This year, about $750,000 in funding has been provided to projects in 11 communities. Projects include burning scrap piles, brushing areas and seeding cleared areas or planting with aspen. As well, several communities have begun developing long term plans to incorporate habitat and forest management objectives into community protection needs.
The level of compensation available to harvesters for losses due to fire was also increased to offset damages from fires that are too large to suppress. In these cases, efforts are still made to protect localized values-at-risk such as cabins or graveyards.
Mr. Speaker, the purpose of the forest fire management program is to protect areas prioritized by communities. Therefore, community consultation continues to be an important component of the forest fire management program. Our staff will again visit communities to discuss the 1996 forest fire season and I look forward to suggestions of further ways to increase the authority of communities in making decisions on forest fire management. Mahsi cho.
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Minister's Statement 85-13(3): 1996 Forest Fire Season
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 832
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you Mr. Kakfwi . Ministers' Statement, Mr. Dent .
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Minister's Statement 86-13(3): Senior's Fuel Subsidy Program
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 832
Charles Dent
Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon.
Mr. Speaker, because of the fiscal climate, reform of social programs is a challenge currently facing governments across Canada. Reform is difficult because public expectations are high, and dependence on government programs is significant.
Recently, I announced a change to the Seniors Fossil Fuel Subsidy Program, which has generated considerable public discussion.
For many years, the subsidy was available to some people who really did not need it. For example, under the old rules an individual who earned more that 50-thousand dollars a year could still claim this subsidy. Clearly, this is not the type of person the program was designed to help, and the program had to change.
The NWT Seniors Society was advised in 1995 that we planned to change the program. The Society recognises the need for change. To date, it has not indicated any objection to having a needs test incorporated into the program.
Mr. Speaker, as a result of recent discussions with representatives of the Seniors Society and Members of this House, I have made further refinements to the fuel subsidy program.
To qualify, a northerner must be 60 years of age, own their own home and pass the same income test that applies to the NWT Seniors Supplementary Benefit. In other words, the income of a single person must be no more than 12,972 dollars. A couple's income must not exceed $30,744.
This government recognises and appreciates the valuable contribution that seniors have made and continue to make to our society. These adjustments reflect our continued goal of targeting support to those who really need it, and still meeting the budget approved by the House.
Mr. Speaker, changing social programs is not an easy task. However, given our fiscal situation, it is necessary. Changes must be made to ensure that our scarce resources are provided to those most in need.
Adjustments to the Seniors Fossil Fuel Subsidy Program are one step in our ongoing review of NWT social programs. The process of change will continue for the next few years. It will challenge all of us to find new and appropriate approaches to respecting the public interest in a restricted fiscal environment.
Thank you Mr. Speaker.
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Minister's Statement 86-13(3): Senior's Fuel Subsidy Program
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 833
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Dent . Ministers statement. Mr. Kakfwi .
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Minister's Statement 87-13(3): Creation Of Resources, Wildlife, And Economic Development
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 833
Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Mr. Speaker. The Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development came into existence on August 19. This new department combines the functions formerly carried out by the departments of Renewable Resources, Economic Development and Tourism and Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources.
Although the three departments have been merged into one, the new department is more than the sum of its parts. The amalgamation was not a takeover of two departments by another but rather a marriage of three units that had complementary and overlapping responsibilities.
Mr. Speaker, I would like to repeat the vision statement of the new department because it clearly defines the objectives of the new department:
"A prosperous, diverse economy built on the strengths of our people and the wise use and conscientious protection of our natural resources -- one which attracts investment and provides communities and individuals with opportunities to be productive and self reliant. Our children will inherit a secure future, which provides a healthy environment and which balances traditional lifestyles with a modern economy."
This vision recognizes that natural resources have always been the basis of our economy. Our future depends on natural resources. The Department promotes sustainable development of natural resources, and therefore must manage and protect the condition, the quality, diversity, and abundance of resources and the condition and the quality of environment.
However, Mr. Speaker, during the last three decades, government has been the main engine of economic growth. Fiscal realities dictate that this must change. The private sector will have to be relied upon to create the new jobs we need now and in the future. Government will encourage, promote and be supportive.
We must work together to expand our economy to create opportunities for those who are unemployed now and for those who will come after us. We need a prosperous and diverse economy that is built on the strengths of the people here and on the wise use and conscientious protection of our natural resources. We need an expanding economy which will provide communities and individuals with opportunities to be productive and self reliant - to be able to support families and a satisfactory quality of life.
Mr. Speaker, the Department is up and running. The 1997-98 Business Plan is being written. Staffing actions are underway.
Putting the department together has been a major undertaking taking many hours, week days and weekends. Extensive consultations have been carried out with stakeholders -- aboriginal groups, the mining industry, resource management boards, municipal authorities and environmental groups. Many of their recommendations and comments will result in changes to the final departmental establishing policy and departmental programs and services.
The restructuring has created some uncertainty for staff, who have in spite, carried on with their regular assignments, as well as, additional work generated by this process.
Even with this uncertainty, there is no decrease in the level of service to residents of the Northwest Territories. This reflects well on the dedication and professionalism of our staff and is indicative of the high levels of service Northerners will receive in the future.
Thank you very much.
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Item 3: Members' Statements
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 834
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi . Members' Statements. Ms. Groenewegen .
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Item 3: Members' Statements
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 834
Jane Groenewegen
Hay River
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, pursuant to Rule 34(5), I move, seconded by the honourable member from Iqaluit, that Ministers' Statement 86-13(3) titled Seniors' Fuel Subsidy Program be moved into committee of the whole for discussion.
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Item 3: Members' Statements
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 834
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Your motion is in order. To the motion. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried and accordingly Ministers' Statement 86-13(3) will be moved into the committee of the whole for today.
Members' Statements. Mr. Antoine .
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Fetal Alcohol Syndrome And Fetal Alcohol Effect
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 834
Jim Antoine
Nahendeh
Thank you Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, people all across the North are becoming aware that it is dangerous for women drink when they are pregnant.
They know that alcohol can cause health problems for the unborn baby. And they know that these health problems can cause hardship for the child, the family and the community.
In the past, people did not talk about these problems. Now we can see there is more knowledge and that people in communities are working together to address these issues openly.
I want to say that this problem is not just a woman's problem. People who blame women for this issue are wrong. It is a problem for all of society. Both in the north and in the south, it is a problem for the entire community including men. We all need to participate in finding solutions.
Early in September, the youth of Fort Simpson, organized the Deh Cho leadership conference. Young people from across the western Northwest Territories came together to talk about making choices and finding healthy lifestyles.
Some of the workshops focused on making...yes?
Mr. Speaker, I request consent to conclude my statement?
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Fetal Alcohol Syndrome And Fetal Alcohol Effect
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 834
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
The Member for Nahendeh , is seeking consent to conclude his statement. Do I hear any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement, Mr. Antoine .
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Fetal Alcohol Syndrome And Fetal Alcohol Effect
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 834
Jim Antoine
Nahendeh
Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, early September, the youth of Fort Simpson, organized the Deh Cho Leadership Conference. Young people from across the western Northwest Territories came together to talk about choices, making choices and finding healthy lifestyles.
Some of the workshops focused on making responsible decisions to prevent the abuse of alcohol and drugs.
This was very encouraging and I think that the conference organizers and the delegates should be commended for their awareness-raising efforts.
Earlier this summer, people also gathered at the Fourth Annual Pehdzeh Ki First Nation Spiritual Healing and Gathering in Wrigley, again, there were discussions about alcohol abuse, wellness and healing.
I am very hopeful that these types of gatherings, coordinated by people at the grassroots community level are the best way to make sure the message gets out about the dangers of drinking during pregnancies.
Through these types of gatherings, we can encourage each other to be strong and to lead kinds of lifestyles that will bring healthy babies into our communities.
Once again, I would emphasize that this is an issue that affects everyone of us, not just women. And by working together we can raise awareness and build an understanding that will lead to the elimination of these problems
Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.
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Fetal Alcohol Syndrome And Fetal Alcohol Effect
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 835
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Antoine . Members' statements. Ms. Thompson .
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Fetal Alcohol Syndrome And Fetal Alcohol Effect
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 835
Manitok Thompson
Aivilik
Mr. Speaker, today I want to talk about a tragedy in our communities, in the Northwest Territories, because babies are born as fetal alcohol syndrome and this is very, very dangerous, especially for our caregivers, the grandparents and also the mothers and the fathers and the teachers, nurses, care workers who work very hard, especially fetal alcohol syndrome children and adults.
We know that this is very important because fetal alcohol syndrome brings many challenges which mean these children and adults need extra support from caregivers when they are born with alcohol syndrome and also the parents and the teachers and the nurses have to work very hard caring for these alcohol syndrome people.
Mr. Speaker, this is not a woman's problem. It is an issue that involves all members of a family and a community.
It is sad that families have to deal with the special needs and demands of fetal alcohol syndrome. These needs can test the spirit and try the soul of even the strongest and most loving parent or guardian.
It is sad that those with fetal alcohol syndrome will always struggle to cope with challenges that will make them different from their peers.
All these things are sad, but for me, they are not the worst thing, the worst tradegy. The real tragedy is that fetal alcohol syndrome does not happen by accident. The real tragedy is that fetal alcohol syndrome is 100 percent preventable.
As a government, as communities, and as individuals, we need to do what we can to stop fetal alcohol syndrome before it happens.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Fetal Alcohol Syndrome And Fetal Alcohol Effect
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 835
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Ms. Thompson . Members' statements. Mr. Henry .
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Fetal Alcohol Syndrome And Fetal Alcohol Effect
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 835
Seamus Henry
Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker today you have heard from two of my colleagues on the challenge which affects people across the North. I, too, will speak about fetal alcohol syndrome and fetal alcohol effects.
Many groups across the North are beginning to address this problem through support to parents and those wanting to stop drinking during their pregnancies.
Some specific groups which have made contributions are: the Canadian Public Health, the FAS Project, The Status of Women and Native Womens' Associations among others.
If we are to address the problem FAS/FAE but with no new money, we must learn to work in creative ways. Early intervention is good. But if we take statistics of $1.4 million to care for each FAS/FAE person in their lifetime, we cannot afford to just make things better. We have to work to make things better. We have to work to prevent problems.
Government cannot fix the problem. Each community must take the responsibility for how they wish to handle it. Since FAS/FAE is 100% preventable, helping women to stay alcohol free during pregnancy is a community issue. And, remember, helping has neither male nor female gender.
When the statement, "It takes a community to raise a child", once again becomes a reality then the support will be there and our communities will begin to heal.
Members will find in front of them, an information package about FAS/FAE and also a strip of caribou hide, which is the symbol for fetal alcohol syndrome awareness. Caribou was picked because it is available in every community in the Northwest Territories and I encourage all MLAs to wear the symbol to promote discussion.
The knot represents the problem of FAS/FAE which is choking our communities. Taking responsibility for finding solutions will loosen the knot and progress to eliminating this tragedy will start.
I encourage others to adopt this symbol and promote it within their community.
Our goal for the future has to be healthy babies.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Fetal Alcohol Syndrome And Fetal Alcohol Effect
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 836
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Henry . Members' statements. Mr. Ningark .
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Issues Discussed At The Kitikmeot Leaders Meeting
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 836
John Ningark
Natilikmiot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, on October 1, 1996, I had the opportunity to attend the Kitikmeot Leadership Forum in Cambridge Bay and I attended this meeting.
Many of the issues were discussed during that meeting, in Cambridge Bay, namely community empowerment, housing, housing was the predominant issue according to my understanding. I only had the opportunity to spend one day.
Mr. Speaker, one of the problems that came about in the Natilikmiot region, I think this is a concern of all small communities in the eastern Arctic, namely Nunavut, was that government, this government is now in the process of selling staff houses. We are moving at full speed while in the communities we do not have alternative housing for our teaching staff.
Mr. Speaker, the number of enrolment, student enrolment, is growing every year, increasing every year. Subsequently, we will need a teaching staff for the communities of Gjoa Haven, Pelly Bay, Taloyoak, other communities in our region.
Government is now in the process of getting rid of all the government houses, Mr. Speaker. While the communities are concerned that, what happens if all the government houses are sold to individuals, corporations, private sector and so on, there will be no houses left to, boarded up, for the teaching staff.
And one of the alternatives that we were told, Mr. Speaker, is that municipalities could buy houses and in turn lease them to the government employees. Will the government ensure once those houses are privatized that there will be affordable, reasonable prices for teaching staff to house them?
That is one of the questions that came from the Kitikmeot Leadership Forum. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Issues Discussed At The Kitikmeot Leaders Meeting
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 836
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Ningark . Members' statements. Mr. Evaloarjuk .
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Tragedies Experienced By Residents Of Amittuq
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 836
Mark Evaloarjuk
Amittuq
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yesterday at the beginning the Legislative Assembly we were welcomed back again and I take this opportunity to extend that greeting to my fellow members in the House.
Mr. Speaker, I have some sad news to announce. News of the tragedies that have come upon us within my constituency of Amittuq since April 16 to September 11.
Within this timeframe there have been 13 deaths. In Pond Inlet, 7 people died, one being a suicide from an overdose, another drowned, and 5 more died from health reasons.
In Igloolik there were 3 suicides. Another person died from health reasons and a small child of 2 years old died after being seriously burned.
In Hall Beach another small child, who just turned 5, died while under the care of a dentist on April 11, 1996.
Mr. Speaker, although I have details of each of these deaths, it would be too lengthy to speak on them within this statement.
Recently there was another death on September 16, the former MLA James Arvaluk's, Mother Apphia Awa.
These deaths have caused a great deal of sadness. There is some consolation in the fact that the relatives of the deceased were able to come together for funeral arrangements with help from family and friends, and at times, strangers who helped to help out.
At this time when there is no more financial assistance from the government for compassionate leave, it is good to see community people helping one another in need of support that results in the healing of their emotional wounds.
Mr. Speaker, I will be detailing the reports as I receive the developments concerning a burning accident of a small child that happened more recently in order to clarify the situation in the hamlet involved. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Tragedies Experienced By Residents Of Amittuq
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 837
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .
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Concerns Regarding GNWT Preparations For Division
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 837
Michael Miltenberger
Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as time passes, I am becoming more and more concerned about how prepared this government is for division in 1999. Since we came to the Assembly, my colleagues and I have been asking questions about progress in a number of key areas such as division of assets and liabilities.
In my opinion, the government has not made substantive progress, there may be staff working on this issue, but Ministers and committees do not seem to be actively involved in moving this work forward. For example, in the two months since the two members of the Standing Committee on Government Operations were appointed to the Cabinet Division Committee, no meetings of this critical Cabinet Division Committee have been called that I am aware of.
As an Assembly we have to make division a priority, it should be reflected in everything we do, from looking at budgets to revising programs to considering legislation. Mr. Speaker, in the last year, the government has focused on the budget, and I believe the budget process is on the rails, even though there are many tough decisions yet to make, now we have to get on with preparing for division. Thank you.
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Concerns Regarding GNWT Preparations For Division
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 837
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . At this time I would like to recognize in the Gallery, Mr. Whit Fraser. Mr. Fraser is the chairman of the Canadian Polar Commission. Welcome to the Assembly. Members' statement, Mr. Rabesca .
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Long Weekend Boating Accident In Rae-edzo
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Page 837
James Rabesca
North Slave
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker as you are aware, on September 1, 1996 long weekend, the residents of Rae suffered one of the worst boating accidents in the history of the community.
The disaster struck the hearts and souls of numerous people and organizations from across the north. The response from within our region and other regions across the North as well as southern Canada to assist the families has been tremendous. Without the support the search could not have continued. Numerous residents battled adverse and sometimes dangerous weather and lake conditions trying to find the victims, this was continued until all victims were found, which took approximately three weeks.
Unfortunately this type of search has cost the community both financially and emotionally, casting a tremendous burden. However with the numerous donations of support both spiritually and financially, the family has been able to close this mournful event and try to cope with life and the memories their loved ones left behind. For the families, band council and my region, I would like to thank each and every one of you for your kindness and support. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Long Weekend Boating Accident In Rae-edzo
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Page 837
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Rabesca . Members' statements, Mr. Enuaraq .
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Absence From The House
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 838
Tommy Enuaraq
Baffin Central
Thank you, Mr. Speaker, I would like to announce an information, I will not be at this House on October 7, on Saturday and, as well as, on Sunday. I will be going to Iqaluit for a meeting.
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Absence From The House
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 838
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Enuaraq . Members' statements, Mr. Ootes .
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Personal Priorities In The Next Few Weeks
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Page 838
Jake Ootes
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to talk today about my priorities for the coming weeks. I hope this will be of benefit to my colleagues and my constituents, the people of Yellowknife Centre.
Let me begin by saying that we live in a time of change. Our task here is to help our communities manage the changes that will come from government cut-backs, division, and community empowerment. Given the situation, I am very concerned about the future of Yellowknife. Yellowknife is generally regarded as a have community. That means it is a ripe target for cuts. Many will be necessary and we must accept our share. However, I fear this government's agenda for change may dictate that my constituents shoulder a sustained burden over a longer period than any other community.
Yellowknife faces cuts after all on three fronts, not just from the deficit, but also from the devolution of power to local governments, and from division which will hit very hard over the next three years. I fear that no other community will see such reductions in the level of government during the countdown to 1999 and beyond, and government whether we like it or not is a fundamental component of every local economy in the North.
Mr. Speaker, let me clarify my position here. I support the need to balance our budget. I support the devolution of power to the communities, I support division of the Northwest Territories and the creation of Nunavut. However, I am going to be cautious about measures that hurt my constituency. Community empowerment, for example, is a measure that, to me, is not yet well thought out. It takes jobs out of Yellowknife, potentially, without guaranteeing benefits to other communities. I do not think it meets our goal of devolution, I will speak to this and other issues and policies as the session continues.
For now, let me conclude with this thought, our job is to ensure that the changes we make here benefit all northerners, the includes the people of Yellowknife. My job is to make sure Yellowknifers are not forgotten or taken for granted in this difficult period. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Page 838
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Members' statement, Mrs. Groenewegen .
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Relationship Between Cabinet And Ordinary Members
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 838
Jane Groenewegen
Hay River
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wrote my Members' statement about 5 o'clock this morning, I had my lap top there and I must admit it was a lot more interesting then. I have amended it somewhat.
I was elected by and am accountable to the people of Hay River/Enterprise and the Corridor. In turn, on behalf of my constituents, along with my colleagues, elected a Premier and Cabinet who are accountable to the Ordinary Members and the people of the Northwest Territories.
Yesterday, in the Premier 's Sessional Address we heard much about working together with the ordinary members, then much discussion took place in committees as a whole about the changes to the capital budget. We were told by more than one member of Cabinet that, perhaps, communication was faulty and was not what it should have been with the Ordinary MLAs, but "we are very busy, we need to let managers manage, and they won't have their hands tied."
Mr. Speaker, I submit to you that a member of this house finding out on the street, after the fact, that a significant project in their community has been deleted from the capital budget is worse than faulty communication. I would remind the members of Cabinet in FMB that each and every member of this House got here by winning the confidence and respect of their communities and constituents and is entitled to the respect of that position.
The new Members that were elected to this House a year ago who now constitute most of the Ordinary Members, gave up jobs, positions in their community and all the comforts of home, to come here and serve their own constituents in a meaningful way.
We may be new to this level of politics and we are on a fast learning curve, but, I assure you, we are not stupid. MLAs are not the community leaders, mayors, chiefs, that Minister Thompson referred to taking direction from yesterday. We are not the advisors to the Premier who sit on the panel on the economy and we are not a special interest group to be consulted with at the pleasure of Cabinet.
We are your peers, who respectfully chose you, the more experienced members to hold positions of departmental leadership. We are told continually that, in terms of involvement, we have far more input into decisions that we would have had in previous governments, and agreed, the capital budget is not a huge amount of this government's budget. However, I am more concerned with the fundamental principals of the role of ordinary members.
Mr. Speaker, seeking unanimous consent to conclude my statement.
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Relationship Between Cabinet And Ordinary Members
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 839
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
The member for Hay River is seeking unanimous consent to conclude a statement. Do we have any nay's? There are no nays. You have unanimous consent to conclude the statement.
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Relationship Between Cabinet And Ordinary Members
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 839
Jane Groenewegen
Hay River
What is the point of the hours, days, weeks spent in committee meetings in the budget approval process if cabinet/FMB has latitude to amend it? What is the value of the increased involvement? If this extensive consultation was required to arrive at a plan, should not any be required to amend it?
The issue of communication surrounding the altering of the capital plan is not an isolated situation or concern. Communication with all members of this House is the cornerstone of effective leadership. We entered into this house on the premise of working together, not wasting time taking adversarial positions for the sake of being adversarial. However, this is a two way street, and this respect must be reciprocal, it is the rule of do unto others.
If members of Cabinet should forget about when they were ordinary members and how they wanted to be involved and treated, a very vivid and life like reminder may come to pass. I suggested to one Minister yesterday, partly in jest, that if ordinary members input into decision making is not taken seriously and we are the last to find out things relative to our constituents and communities as an MLA undermining our credibility, I think that given the large number of chairs in this assembly, we should prop mannequins in all of those chairs, rename the Cabinet a benevolent dictatorship, increase their pay and pension accordingly, go home, and get on with our lives.
I know that this particular crop of ordinary members have great potential for working with this Cabinet for the benefit and betterment of our Territory. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 839
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Members' statements. Mr. Picco .
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Disadvantages Of The Sale Of Staff Housing
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 839
Edward Picco
Iqaluit
I cannot top that, Mr. Speaker.
Yesterday there were some questions regarding the sale of staff housing and leases. Mr. Speaker, it is my belief that the sale of staff housing has not been thoroughly thought out. Yet, approximately 530 staff houses that are still owned by this government have been bought and paid for, and actuality they generate an excess of $1 million revenue net to this government. A government that needs this type of revenue. Without guaranteed staff housing in communities, many of the people that we need, and will need, will have no place to stay if we proceed with this plan.
Forced growth alone in the Baffin Region, for example, is approximately eight percent per year. Over three years that means 24 percent increase in students in our schools, for example. Where will we house the extra teachers we will need to help educate our children? Will we have to lease these units at cost about the new Western Territory and Nunavut government? That would be asinine.
The Finance Minister has repeatedly said the sale of staff housing is an intricate part of our deficit reduction scheme, but how do we reconcile that with the need to provide adequate housing to staff, especially in the smaller communities where there is no housing market? This has to be reviewed.
In my community the dropping of housing leases, as explained in my questions to the Minister yesterday, indicated it is still a very strong area of concern, and we have a housing market. I would ask that the Minister sit down with the MLAs and explain what process will be in place to guarantee housing for staff and cases where because of financial or other consideration or other consideration they can not or choose not to purchase their unit.
Mr. Speaker, the NIC recommended holding on to staff housing and I also asked the Minister to review again, this policy, so that when Nunavut is created, and when the new Western Territory begins anew on April 1, 1999 that those governments will not be put into position of having to build more staff housing because the 13th Assembly sold all of our houses. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Disadvantages Of The Sale Of Staff Housing
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 840
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you Mr. Picco . Members' statements. Mr. Krutko .
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Process For Negotiating A Northern Accord
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 840
David Krutko
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My statement today is in regards to the northern accord process and also the whole confusing circumstances that we find ourselves in the North in regards to the diamond industry and, also, in regards to the oil and gas industry in the public and general.
In 1988 there was an agreement signed between the federal government and the government of the Northwest Territories to start negotiating the northern accord to transfer oil, gas and mineral authority to the Northwest Territories.
Mr. Speaker, that has been eight years in the works, to date nothing has been concluded. There is talk about adding new initiatives to the Accord which a lot of aboriginal groups and interest groups especially in ... (inaudible) ... and environment have a say in the matter. Yet, until today, nothing has been concluded.
In June 1985 there was a negotiation session which was held in Calgary between the aboriginal groups and the Government of the Northwest Territories. At that time, there were two positions on the table. There was a draft document which was being negotiated, and to date this government has agreed that they will do a consultation process to restart the process.
The question that I will be asking later to the Honourable Premier , is that he says a lot of revenues and resources have been spent on the process, yet here we are today at deadlock between the diamond industry, the Aboriginal groups, the two governments that do not know who has jurisdiction over what, and that basically there has to be some way of resolving this issue and basically putting it to rest once and for all. It has been a long process, it has been eight years, in which nothing has been done to date. So my question will be raised later on in the house with that. Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
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Process For Negotiating A Northern Accord
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 840
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Kakfwi .
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Concerns About Aboriginal Cultural Attitudes
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 840
Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Mr. Speaker, I wanted to make some comments about resources and our attitudes towards them as a Member of this Legislature.
We know that the north is full of resources, but we have yet, on the national or even territorial scale, been able to commit to measuring and assessing the total richness of the resources we have at hand. We have as well, yet, to show you commitment to showing the appreciation we should have for the richness we have for our own cultures, and our own histories, and our own language that are with us still today. And I say that because I have some concerns about certain developments recently.
For instance, what does it mean when the native women of the Northwest Territories forgo looking into their own rich cultural, aboriginal history and language, and choose instead, in large numbers, to go with a colonial name of Northwest Territories. I challenge our youth, our women, to look at themselves and tell me and tell the rest of us in the North who they are. Later this afternoon, I will table a motion from the Sahtu Dene Metis Assembly, that this summer passed a motion support of retiring the name Northwest Territories and committing to working on a process to come up with a new name for a new Territory that will come into existence in 1999. Thank you.
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Concerns About Aboriginal Cultural Attitudes
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 841
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi . Members statements. Mr. Erasmus .
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The Need For A Diamond Evaluation And Sorting Plant In The North
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 841
Roy Erasmus
Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My statement today is concerning a diamond valuation and sorting plant.
However, it seems the government may be overlooking an obvious bonanza. The way it is now, our companies are going to throw our diamonds into a bag and send them to Antwerp or where ever.
We need a diamond evaluation and sorting plant in Yellowknife. That would create jobs for northerners, it would also bring the diamond industry to the north. If rough diamonds are left here, diamond purchasers would have to come here to purchase diamonds. In fact, Yellowknife could become the diamond centre of Canada.
Mr. Speaker, this government has spent millions of dollars on projects that require ongoing funding. A diamond evaluation and sorting plant would not require ongoing funding, in fact, it has a potential to start an economy of it's own. If we are successful in negotiating the Northern Accord, we could get taxes in kind.
Governments of Russia and Africa now keep 10 to 15 percent of the diamonds that are harvested instead of getting taxes and royalties. Their people then add value to the rough diamonds in the form of rings, watches, and such things. And, in fact, create more jobs in subsidiary industries. This could happen here as well. Such a plan could also ensure that we know how many diamonds that come out of the ground. Maybe this is not so important now, because we do not get the royalties, but once we conclude the Northern Accord, it would be very important.
Mr. Speaker, this land is rich in resources, unfortunately we usually export our raw resources and then import finished products made from resources. This is one time we do not have to let our resources leave the north without value added. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.
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The Need For A Diamond Evaluation And Sorting Plant In The North
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 841
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
The member for Yellowknife North is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Any nays? There are no nays, conclude your statement, Mr. Erasmus .
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The Need For A Diamond Evaluation And Sorting Plant In The North
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 841
Roy Erasmus
Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I indicated, this is one time when we do not have to let our resources leave the north without value added. This government has said it is ready to be innovative. This government has said it is ready to spend money to create jobs and business opportunities for aboriginal people and other northerners.
Building a diamond evaluation and sorting plant in Yellowknife would be a good start. Thank you Mr. Speaker.
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Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 841
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Erasmus . Members' statements. Members' statement. Returns to oral questions, returns to oral questions. Recognition of visitors in the Gallery, Ms. Thompson .
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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
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Page 841
Manitok Thompson
Aivilik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like recognize NWT Status of Women Council in the gallery. Rita Arey, president; Rebecca Kudloo, vice president; Sister Agnes Sutherland, vice president; ... (inaudible) ... ; Elizabeth Lyall; Joan Kalaserk; Sharon Hall, executive director; Adena Sumter-Freitag, community worker;
Marsha Argue, researcher; Theresa Handley, administrative assistant. I am going to ask those ladies to stand up please, so we can recognize you.
And Dennis Bevington, president of Municipalities, He was up there. I do not know where he is, but I also recognize him. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
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Page 842
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery, Mrs. Groenewegen .
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Page 842
Jane Groenewegen
Hay River
Thank you, Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize a constituent of mine who is temporarily living in Yellowknife, attending school here, Flory Laurence.
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Page 842
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery, Mr. Erasmus .
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Roy Erasmus
Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize some of the people that live in the Yellowknife North constituency, Wilma Erasmus, Randy Erasmus and Bill Erasmus. I am not sure if they are still here, but they were when we started.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Dent .
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Charles Dent
Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker I would like to recognize the president of the NWTTA, Ms. Pat Thomason in the gallery today.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Recognition of visitors in the gallery, Mr. Antoine .
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Jim Antoine
Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize Gary Bohnet and Mike Bohnet, the president and vice president of the Metis Nation. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery, Mr. Henry .
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Seamus Henry
Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize a very important person to me in the gallery, my wife Linda.
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Page 842
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Picco .
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Edward Picco
Iqaluit
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker I would like to recognize the honourable brother of Ben McDonald, long time Yellowknife resident and union activist.
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Page 842
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Welcome to the Assembly. Are there any further recognitions of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Krutko .
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David Krutko
Mackenzie Delta
Yes, I would like recognize all of the other people that have not been recognized for being here with us today and thank them for coming out.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Are there any further recognitions of visitors in the gallery? Oral questions. Oral questions. Mr. Ningark .
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Question 375-13(3): Housing Strategy For Education Staff
Item 6: Oral Questions
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John Ningark
Natilikmiot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Honourable Premier of this government. As I indicated in my members statement, the concern of the ... (inaudible) ... forum, which is profound concern, is housing for our government staff, and the educational staff.
Mr. Speaker, as I indicated also that there is increasing enrolment of students in the area of Nunavut. Not only in the Nunavut area, I am sure across the territories.
Mr. Speaker, I also indicated there is no alternative housing available for the teaching staff in the smaller communities. Mr. Speaker, there is no guarantee to ensure once all of the staff houses are sold, that there will be housing available to all government employees within the jurisdiction.
My question to the Honourable Premier , is does the government have a strategy in place to ensure that there will be housing available for the teaching staff during the life of this government? Thank you.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. The Minister of
Finance, Mr. Todd .
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John Todd
Keewatin Central
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I have got, I see we have got the president of the NWTTA, it will give me an opportunity to elaborate on the fact that we do have a plan in place to ensure that there is adequate housing, not just for teachers, though they are a distinguished group -- no question, but for others out there.
The fact of the matter is that we will provide letters of guarantee, in some cases, leases if it is necessary, for the private sector in the communities to ensure that there is adequate housing for the new teachers, or new mechanics, or new whatever, that is required in everyone of these communities. Thank you.
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Thank you. Oral question supplementary, Mr. Ningark .
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John Ningark
Natilikmiot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Supplementary to the same honourable Minister, Mr. Todd , the Minister of Finance . The Minister has indicated that for every sector may be providing or supplying houses to the GNWT employees.
My question is, will the honourable Minister guarantee that once the private sector is supplying houses to government staff, that they will be affordable, reasonable rent within this system? Thank you.
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Thank you. Mr. Todd .
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John Todd
Keewatin Central
Let me assure my Honourable colleague that the part of the plan we have in place will also to include affordability and, I think, the reality is that this government policy will continue to be when we no longer are in staff housing per se.
I want to ensure that while, some may view it as a revenue generating source, it is in fact a liability and we want to assure them in 1999 with the two new territories, that liability is decreased, and we will put the onus of responsibility for providing houses in the hands of the private sector and we will provide the appropriate paper or whatever security it should require for that private sector to go out, find the investment money, the mortgage money, et cetera to construct homes in a cost effective way and, more importantly, an affordable way to our employees in these communities. Thank you.
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John Ningark
Natilikmiot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Supplementary. Some communities, municipalities have indicated interest in getting into leasing the government staff houses to the employees within the system. My question is will the government ensure once the municipality is in the business of leasing homes they will be guaranteed those homes will be used by the government's employees. Thank you.
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John Todd
Keewatin Central
It is our intention Mr. Speaker for that to happen. Yes that is correct.
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Question 376-13(3): Concerns With The Capital Planning Process
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Floyd Roland
Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question today will be directed to the Minister responsible for Finance . I have concerns Mr. Speaker when it comes to the area of the process we call the five year capital plan. I would like to know from the Minister what right does this government give that process? Thank you.
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Samuel Gargan
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John Todd
Keewatin Central
Thank you. I hope this is not a repeat of yesterday but, anyway, thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Speaker. The five year capital process is a significant policy that permits this government to determine priorities and where money should be spent. I would not want to give my honourable colleague any other perception that it is anything else.
I think at this time in the debate yes, that when we are talking about community empowerment et cetera, we are in a very young evolutionary stage when it comes to that, but up until this date the 5 year capital process in this Assembly and previous Assemblies has been an important tool in determining the priorities and where the money is spent at the community level and provides a mechanism, as I said yesterday, under the previous Premier and under this Premier , where we went to the communities and asked them to establish the priorities so it provides a mechanism for the constituencies to priorize the importance of capital projects.
It provides a mechanism for the MLAs to be directly involved, and it provides a mechanism for the committees, however imperfect it is, provides a mechanism for everybody to be involved in the process.
So it is an important way in which we do business. There may be some changes that are going to come about due to community empowerment et cetera which will be debated in this House and in Committee but, at this time, it is a very important process. Thank you. Thank you.
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Floyd Roland
Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Further to the question on the the weight given to the process by this government, we have heard about the possible changes that will come about. What timeline is given to the communities to have their input to develop their five year capital plan? Thank you.
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John Todd
Keewatin Central
Thank you. As I have said earlier and as my colleague Mr. Dent did say to me, that it is an important business planning tool, the five year plan. We try to, the Premier sends out a call letter on a yearly basis to the municipalities asking them for their continuing input into the plan for new ideas, for re-classification of priorities et cetera.
So I would suggest to my colleague that at this time until we move along to the next phase that there is a considerable amount of importance placed on the planning process that we currently have in place. Thank you.
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Floyd Roland
Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I understand that and I agree that it is an important tool but the timeline given to the communities as to their input into it on a yearly basis.
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John Todd
Keewatin Central
I know that this year we did get the letters out, it was a little late, I think if would be fair to say that and there was a limited amount of time under the original letter that went out from the Premier which we drafted. But it is my understanding from talking to the Premier 's office that they are not on a community by community basis, we have tried to give them a little more time to be actively involved in the planning process.
But it would be fair to say because I think that is where my honourable colleague is heading, it would be fair to say that this year there was somewhat limited time. Thank you.
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Floyd Roland
Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. What was the normal timeline given to the communities to have input on the five year capital plan? I understand this year the changes have happened but what is the normal process? Thank you.
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John Todd
Keewatin Central
Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would have to go back and check the file but we have tried to, in previous years, give communities as much time as possible depending on when the call letter went out from the Premier , the former Premier .
I am not aware right now whether that was a 30 day or a 60 day process. I would have to check into it but there was a process. I think the important issue here is if you look at this thing somewhere historically that there was a process put in place by the previous Premier , Ms. Cournoyea, and continued by the present one, Mr.
Morin , which provided direct community inputs into establishing the priorities off the capital planning process and it was a genuine effort to seek community input and MLA input to make it more reflective of the needs of the communities, and then the business planning process then puts it together based on the fiscal realities that we are having to deal with. Thank you.
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Question 377-13(3): Changes To The Ultimate Removal Process
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Edward Picco
Iqaluit
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker earlier this year there were changes to the Collective Agreement between the Government and the UNW. The ultimate removal provisions were changed so employees now pay for the move themselves and then are reimbursed according to the guidelines. Can the Minister of Finance confirm this for me?
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John Todd
Keewatin Central
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would have to take that question as notice and get back to my honourable colleague. I do not know the details of that at this time.
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Question 378-13(3): Northern Accord Negotiation Process
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David Krutko
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The question is to the Premier in regards to the Northern Accord Process. As he is aware the last Northern Accord Process commenced almost a year ago in where there was a sort of a conflict between the aboriginal groups and the government in regards to the whole question about self-government and where it stood in relation to the transfer of the Northern Accord and also the question about self-government agreements.
As he is aware that there has been a policy which has been established by the federal government in regards to self-government there are self-government framework agreements presently being negotiated. There is also land claim agreements where that obligation is.
My question to the Premier is, would he seriously consider taking back to his cabinet and his colleagues the possibility of re-opening those negotiations at a point of where they commenced in June 1995 and putting that agreement back on the table and start negotiation with the aboriginal groups to conclude the Northern Accord as soon as possible?
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Samuel Gargan
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Don Morin
Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Presently the process that we are using is we are consulting with aboriginal leaders at this time to, first of all find out if they are interested in pursuing the Northern Accord, or continuing to pursue the Northern Accord, with our government. My understanding from the reports I have is that they are.
At the next aboriginal summit we will be, our consultants will be meeting with the aboriginal peoples at that time to clarify what concerns they have and how we are going to proceed from there. And, yes, we will try to conclude it at the earliest possible time. Thank you.
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David Krutko
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will those negotiations be based on the 1988 Northern Accord Transfer Agreement between Ottawa and yourselves that was signed? And, also, the arrangements that are presently enacted in the lands claim agreements?
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Don Morin
Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We are going to be negotiating with the federal government on the transfer of responsibility to the Northwest Territories people. I will be doing that in conjunction with the aboriginal peoples of the Northwest Territories, so we will be working in partnership with the aboriginal peoples of the Northwest Territories. Thank you.
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David Krutko
Mackenzie Delta
Supplementary, Mr. Speaker. Will there be any additional items added to those negotiations besides strictly oil and gas and minerals?
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Don Morin
Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, there will also be land and water added to those negotiations of complete transfer of those responsibilities from the federal government to the peoples of the Northwest Territories and we will be working with our aboriginal partners in trying to conclude that negotiation. Thank you.
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Thank you. Oral questions, final supplementary, Mr. Krutko .
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David Krutko
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My final supplementary question to the Premier is, you are changing the rules of the negotiations of the Northern Accord, there is change in regards to the commitment you have within the land claim agreements which clearly states, you are strictly talking about oil and gas and minerals. So, that obligation has to be fulfilled before you can add on anything else to the Accord.
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Don Morin
Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. At the present time our facilitators are working with aboriginal peoples of the Northwest Territories to get an agreement and move ahead as a united group to deal with the federal government. That is on oil, gas, minerals, land and water, so we will be moving ahead on all those issues at once. Any concerns aboriginal people have on the process we are using, they will make that clear to us at the next aboriginal summit and we will try to work out the details there. Thank you.
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Question 379-13(3): Accommodation For NWT Teachers
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Seamus Henry
Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent . I would like the Minister to tell the House what provisions his department has taken in regards to the sale of staff housing. How will teachers be accommodated or how will arrangements be made for new teachers coming in?
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Charles Dent
Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, our department does not have the lead in providing staff housing. That is a responsibility of the FMBS. I have had no direct meetings with the Minister responsible for FMBS on the issue. I can tell you that my Department officials have worked extensively with the FMBS personnel to ensure that FMBS is aware of the issues and concerns in the small communities and I think that FMBS is reacting to those concerns. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Thank you. Oral questions, supplementary Mr. Henry .
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Seamus Henry
Yellowknife South
Thank you Mr. Speaker. If I could direct the same question to Mr. Todd , FMBS. What provisions ...
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I am sorry Mr. Henry . This is going to be a new question if you are redirecting your question to another Minister. I have to allow other members to ask questions. Oral questions. Mr. Ootes .
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Question 380-13(3): Person Year Reduction Figures
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Jake Ootes
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Financial Management Board . Yesterday, Mr. Todd spoke about the number of cuts that happen to the Territorial payroll, 350 person years I believe and he said that translated into roughly 180 job losses across the NWT. Can the Minister tell me if these figures are only for the Government of the NWT, or does is also include figures for boards and agencies and the Housing Corporation and Aurora College and so forth.
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John Todd
Keewatin Central
Thank you Mr. Speaker. I believe it was just for the GNWT that I was talking about yesterday. Just give me a moment to confirm with Mr. Goit for the GNWT. Thank you.
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Jake Ootes
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you Mr. Speaker. I wonder if the Minister could clarify for us and give us some figures on the cuts that have taken place to date on other areas such as the boards and agencies.
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John Todd
Keewatin Central
Yes thank you Mr. Speaker. I do not have these numbers immediately available to me and I want to ensure that given the sensitivity of the issue I provide my honourable colleague with an accurate number. I would take that question as notice and report back to him on Monday.
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Thank you. Oral questions, Mr. Henry . Mr. Ootes , your question is taken as notice. Mr. Henry , oral questions.
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Question 381-13(3): Staff Housing For NWT Teachers
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Seamus Henry
Yellowknife South
Thank you Mr. Speaker. My question will be directed to the Minister responsible for Financial Management Board , Mr. Todd . Does the Minister have a plan in place for the provision of hiring teachers? My understanding is that most of the staff housing in communities or a lot of staff housing in communities are allocated to teachers. If the houses are sold, how will teachers be allocated housing? Will they have to go to the community to look for accommodation or what procedures would be in place? Thank you.
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John Todd
Keewatin Central
Thank you Mr. Speaker. We are working very closely, as Mr. Dent pointed out,
with the Department of Education and in particular with the boards. What we are endeavouring to do, first of all I will just remind everybody, we are trying to sell the units and are selling the units to the individuals who are in them. Some of these are teachers and some of them are not. Where the local resident decides not to purchase the unit, we will set a process in motion that ensures it will be purchased by somebody else. But that unit will be identified for that particular job, whether it is a teacher or whatever. There are other people in the Territories besides teachers, eh? Sorry. But anyway there are.
We are going to put forward a policy, if you want, that will ensure that there is adequate housing, let me say that ... maybe it is easier to say it this way. We will put together a policy and are putting together a policy that will ensure that there is adequate housing for teachers in the communities in the Northwest Territories. We are, as I said, endeavouring to sell them on an individual basis to the people who already reside there and should we not sell them to them and sell them to some other agency, we will more than likely designate it for a particular profession. Thank you.
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Seamus Henry
Yellowknife South
Thank you Mr. Speaker. I support the sale of staff housing. I just want to ensure that there is something in place that makes sense. I do not believe we can expect, if we hire people that they can go to the community to look for accommodation. That is what I want to ensure, that there is something in place to accommodate people rather than them going to free market supposedly. Thank you.
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John Todd
Keewatin Central
I think we recognise that if some teacher is being hired in Halifax and is going to Whale Cove that they have not got the capacity or the knowledge to know where or how to get a house. So the responsibility will lie with the regional boards and the coordination between my Department and Mr. Dent 's. I am confident that we will be able to provide adequate, affordable housing to all our clients or our staff, which teaching is one of them.
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Vince Steen
Nunakput
Thank you Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is addressed to the Minister responsible for the Finance Management Board , and it is regarding housing for the teachers in the communities. I understand the Minister to say just now that he would be selling the houses to the private enterprise and leasing them back, is that correct?
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Okay. The Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd .
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John Todd
Keewatin Central
Thank you Mr. Speaker. I will try get this once, for all loud and clear. The existing houses that we have, where there are teachers and other employees, we are going to sell to the existing teachers based upon some appraised value, etc. If there is a requirement for additional housing, over and above the current block of housing we have, we will go to the private sector and through one form or another, either through some letter of guarantee or sub-lease we will ask them to provide the housing for additional houses that are required in the particular constituency. Thank you.
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Vince Steen
Nunakput
Mr. Speaker, I guess I would need some clarification from the Minister responsible for the Financial Management Board Secretariat . I understood him to say we are getting out of the housing business. Now we are, in fact, going to be leasing housing from the private sector to guarantee housing for those teachers that do not have any.
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