Debates of Oct. 22nd, 2013

This is page numbers 3027 – 3066 of the Hansard for the 17th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was community .

Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

Minister’s Statement 79-17(4): Changes To Homeownership Programs

Minister’s Statement 80-17(4): Update On Partnership With Wilfrid Laurier University

Minister’s Statement 81-17(4): Family Violence

Access To Information Provisions For Members Of The Legislative Assembly

Deh Cho Regional Health Authority Governance

Success Of Low-Cost Daycare

Dental Services In Small Communities

Opportunities In The Sahtu Region

Proposed Amendments To The Residential Tenancies Act

Hydraulic Fracturing

Consideration Of Coroner’s Report Recommendations

Passing Of Roy King Sr.

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Passing Of Andy Carpenter Jr. Of Norman Wells

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery (Reversion)

Dental Services In Small Communities

Deh Cho Regional Health Authority Governance

Hydraulic Fracturing Baseline Measures

Bison On The Deh Cho Bridge

Low-Cost Daycare Programs

Access To Information Provisions For Members Of The Legislative Assembly

Consideration Of Coroner’s Report Recommendations

Proposed Amendments To The Residential Tenancies Act

Committee Report 7-17(4): Report On The Review Of Bill 24,

An Act To Amend The Liquor Act

Motion To Receive Committee Report 7-17(4) And Move Into Committee Of The Whole

Tabled Document 128-17(4): Traditional Knowledge Annual Report 2012-2013 Tabled Document 129-17(4): Conference Of Management Authorities Species At Risk Annual Report 2012-2013 Tabled Document 130-17(4): Northwest Territories Species At Risk Annual Report 2012-2013

Tabled Document 131-17(4): Northwest Territories Coroner Service 2012 Annual Report Tabled Document 132-17(4): 2012-2013 Report Of The Legal Services Board Of The NWT

Extended Adjournment Of The House To October 28, 2013

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Chipseal Overlay

Funding For Mackenzie Valley Winter Road System

Detah Access Road Completion

Defer Consideration Of Department

Summary, Department Of Transportation

Report of Committee of the Whole

Orders of the Day

The House met at 1:30 p.m.

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Prayer

Prayer

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Good afternoon, colleagues. Item 2, Ministers’ statements.

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Minister’s Statement 79-17(4): Changes To Homeownership Programs

Ministers’ Statements

Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Mr. Speaker, today I would like to update the Legislative Assembly on changes to homeownership programs offered through the NWT Housing Corporation.

When we developed our strategic plan, Building for the Future, residents told us that we needed to examine our homeownership programs. They wanted us to recognize the different roles that homeownership plays in non-market and market communities. They told us we need to make these programs more effective.

Mr. Speaker, following our strategic plan, we have made significant changes to Providing Assistance for Territorial Homeownership, our main homeownership subsidy program. We’ve changed the way we determine subsidy levels, expanded the eligible pool of clients, and significantly closed the gap between the cost of homeownership and public housing.

Our new approach provides higher subsidies in non-market communities with a higher cost of living. For example, an eligible household in Deline would be able to purchase a new home for about $140,000 after receiving a subsidy under PATH. This would mean the client would have approximately $1,500 in monthly costs for their mortgage and utilities. This is very similar to the maximum rent charged for public housing clients.

The approach to the subsidy is different in market communities. Housing supply and development is much different in these communities and in market communities, the program focuses on helping first-time homeowners.

Mr. Speaker, we have also changed the way we deliver our homeownership programs. Residents will now be able to apply for programs at any time during the year rather than only during a targeted intake period. We will work with clients to

schedule repairs, making sure to allow for getting materials into the community and for weather conditions.

Mr. Speaker, homeowners are responsible for maintaining their homes and for completing any repairs that are required. The NWT Housing Corporation supports homeowners with modest income to meet that responsibility. We need to ensure that our emergency and major repair programs support homeowners but do not take away from their role in maintaining their own home.

Finally, Mr. Speaker, last year we introduced the Revised Mortgage Balance Program for about 400 clients, with mortgages payable directly to the NWT Housing Corporation. Most of these clients had considerable arrears, and collection rates were very low.

Since then, about 60 percent of our mortgage clients have taken advantage of the program. They have a fresh start and their mortgage payments are predictable and affordable. The success of the program is reflected in the monthly mortgage collection rates, which have averaged 85 percent for clients in the new program compared with less than 30 percent for those that have yet to sign up.

The NWT Housing Corporation will continue to work with clients who are continuing to accumulate mortgage arrears. They still have an opportunity to take advantage of the Revised Mortgage Balance Program, but there are a number of files now being advanced through the legal process.

Mr. Speaker, the homeownership programs support residents to meet their own housing needs. The approach to Securing Assistance for Emergencies, our emergency repair program, to the new Providing Assistance for Territorial Homeownership, our homeownership subsidy program, and to Contributing Assistance for Repairs and Enhancements, our major repair program, reflect our partnership approach between homeowners and the NWT Housing Corporation.

The vision of the 17th Legislative Assembly includes

strong individuals, families and communities, and I look forward to working with all Members as we

continue to work on our housing priorities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister’s Statement 79-17(4): Changes To Homeownership Programs

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Minister of Environment and Natural Resources , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Minister’s Statement 80-17(4): Update On Partnership With Wilfrid Laurier University

Ministers’ Statements

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I would like to take the opportunity today to update Members on our partnership with Wilfrid Laurier University on water and cold region research.

This partnership helps support our government’s vision of strong individuals, families and communities sharing the benefits and responsibilities of a unified, environmentally sustainable and prosperous Northwest Territories by ensuring we use sound and reliable evidence-based information when developing policy, programs and services.

The purpose of the partnership agreement, signed in May 2010, is to provide new infrastructure and expertise to our government for environmental research and education, increase our capacity to conduct this research, and provide training needed to manage natural resources while dealing with the emerging challenges of climate and the impacts of growth and development.

Our government committed $2 million to the partnership with $1 million upon signing of the agreement. Annual contributions since then total $600,000. Our investment has resulted in approximately $12 million in partnership funding.

This investment has allowed the partnership to secure an additional $5.8 million for research programs in the Northwest Territories, with just over $1.5 million of that spent here.

The partnership is expected to leverage at least another five to seven million dollars in research funding for NWT programs during the life of the agreement.

Mr. Speaker, there are 10 principal scientists leading research projects in collaboration with communities and residents and involving more than 50 researchers and students. There are also three part-time employees in the Northwest Territories to support these partnership activities.

Two researchers are working with the leaders of the Liidlii Kue First Nations, Jean Marie River First Nation, Sambaa K’e Dene First Nation and the Dehcho First Nations on impacts of thawing permafrost at the Scotty Creek field site near Fort Liard.

Another researcher has provided substantial in-kind support to the Lutselk’e and Sambaa K’e Dene First Nations and Ecology North by

providing wastewater analysis using a relatively simple and inexpensive way to screen water sources for the presence of human fecal matter.

In Wekweeti local students and Government of Northwest Territories scientists are involved in a project investigating snow characteristics to help calculate snow density using remote sensing. The students conduct snow surveys throughout the winter and their data helps this project and another project where GNWT biologists are working to correlate snow characteristics to caribou health.

Mr. Speaker, other projects include:

• permafrost, water and vegetation large-scale

monitoring being done from Fort Liard to Inuvik to look at the impact of permafrost melt on vegetation;

• looking at water use in trees, the role of trees

in melting permafrost, modeling carbon accumulation in permafrost peat lands and documenting long-term permafrost change using tree growth;

• terrestrial monitoring of hydrology and water

chemistry, looking at sense of place and changing water conditions in Fort Resolution and examining contaminants and hydroecology of the Slave River Delta.

Analysis of much of the research gathered in the Northwest Territories will be done at the Centre for Cold Regions and Water Science on the campus of Wilfrid Laurier University in Waterloo, Ontario. The grand opening took place two weeks ago and I was in attendance to see the new facility.

There is also the potential, through our partnership, for NASA to include the Scotty Creek field site and an Inuvik site in its Arctic-Boreal Vulnerability Experiment.

Mr. Speaker, Wilfrid Laurier University professors and staff are working with several of our departments to find ways to support NWT-based graduate students in distance learning by offering distance courses, directed studies and appropriate funding opportunities.

The Northwest Territories continues to be an important area for scientific research for Aboriginal, federal and territorial governments, boards, agencies, and territorial, national and international academic and industry-based researchers and scientists.

Partnerships, like the one with Wilfrid Laurier University, ensure Northwest Territories communities and residents are involved in this research so we benefit from it.

It is my hope that as more young people are exposed to these types of scientific research

projects in the physical and social sciences, they will be encouraged to look at professions in this field. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister’s Statement 80-17(4): Update On Partnership With Wilfrid Laurier University

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Minister responsible for Women , Mr. Premier .

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Minister’s Statement 81-17(4): Family Violence

Ministers’ Statements

Yellowknife South

Bob McLeod

Premier

Mr. Speaker, many Northwest Territories residents continue to experience family violence or are dealing with its negative after-effects. This is not the kind of territory that we want. We talk about healthy and educated people in this Assembly, and we talk about safe and sustainable communities. We are committed to achieving those goals and addressing family violence is an important part of that commitment.

One of the biggest challenges we face when it comes to family violence is the perception that what goes on in a person’s family is private business. Most times that is true. But family violence is a complex problem that has its roots in social issues. These are issues like prevailing attitudes, social inequality and systemic injustice. Social problems require a community solution; they cannot be fixed by solitary individuals alone, particularly those who are being abused by those they should be able to trust most.

Shared responsibility and community solutions are something we have been discussing a lot lately in the context of community safety. Family violence is no different; we all have a responsibility to do whatever we can to ensure that people, especially the most vulnerable people, are safe in their own homes.

Government has an important leadership role to play in stopping family violence. We share that role with other partners like community governments, Aboriginal governments, law enforcement and community social agencies. Together we are responsible for developing and implementing strategies to prevent family violence. We also work together to ensure that programs and services are available to support victims of family violence and to help the perpetrators take responsibility for, and change, their actions.

Government programs for victims of family violence include emergency funding that helps them with financial needs related to the crime. RCMP, social workers and victim services workers provide support throughout the territory. If they are not safe in their homes, victims can stay at one of our local shelters while they think about what to do next.

For perpetrators of violence, our government’s new 24-week Wek’eahkaa program reflects our healing philosophy. Violence is a choice and people need

effective strategies and tools for dealing with their anger appropriately and constructively. The Wek’eahkaa program helps teach men who have used violence in their relationships that there is a better way. We believe every day brings a new chance for a violent person to change his behaviour. This pilot project being delivered in Yellowknife was designed for northern residents. Ultimately, our goal is to have a program that is accessible and relevant throughout the Northwest Territories.

The community can play a role by watching out for the signs of abuse and taking steps to stop it. A healthy and safe community is one where friends and neighbours know and look out for each other. Friends need to ask victims to get help. Neighbours need to call the police when they hear violence in the home or on the street. People need to listen to victims and help them to make the choices that will keep themselves and their families safe.

Family violence is related to many of the issues we deal with as elected leaders. It is connected to poverty, to mental health and addictions, and to respect for women. As we all know, these issues are complicated and the links are not always direct. But by taking a holistic approach, we can make progress on the long-term issues while taking immediate action to ensure victims’ safety.

I would like to thank the Coalition Against Family Violence for their work throughout the Northwest Territories to support victims, including the work they do for Family Violence Awareness Week. They help women and teens to know when they or their friends are in unhealthy relationships, and they support victims to be safe. Recently, one of the booklets they produced to help northern teenagers became so popular they were asked to send copies throughout Canada, United States and the United Kingdom. We are not alone in facing this problem. We have a lot to learn from our neighbours, and they have a lot to learn from us.

Mr. Speaker, we cannot achieve the vision of this Assembly if we do not address family violence. Our people cannot be healthy and educated when they live in fear of violence in their own home. They will not have the freedom or confidence to pursue their goals or participate fully in the economic or social life of their community. Children who witness violence will find it difficult to grow up to be good parents and loving partners. As leaders, we need to take a strong stand against family violence. The people of the Northwest Territories deserve nothing less. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister’s Statement 81-17(4): Family Violence

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Item 3, Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Mr. Dolynny .

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Access To Information Provisions For Members Of The Legislative Assembly

Members’ Statements

Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My attempt in June to see a construction contract related to our own government building has illustrated some serious problems in terms of access to information for Members. Under the Access to Information and Protection of Privacy Act, MLAs have no more rights or privileges than the public, and in some cases, public access is severely restricted or hampered with red tape.

I know some limits are needed, but I believe public access to government information could be improved and, with it, public confidence in the way we are governed.

Some quick facts, Mr. Speaker: the Information and Privacy Commissioner recommended a full review of the act in the 2010-2011 annual report, and in her own words, “This review has not been done since the act came into force almost 17 years ago.” Mr. Speaker, our main goals in reviewing and updating the act should be to improve access to information to all residents and ensure their privacy is protected.

Another major goal is to entrench MLAs’ access to a broader range of information on a confidential basis than is generally available to the public.

Let me remind everyone here, this category of access is the cornerstone to the success of consensus government. If Members cannot get access to the information they need, the consensus system will ultimately fail.

I suspect the Justice Minister will say it is not necessary to add to the act or to provide special access to information for Members. In fact, he more likely will say that there’s a process convention in place that the Assembly has adopted.

That said, I’m here to say that it is not enough, Mr. Speaker. Conventions are not as strong as clearly defined rights founded in legislation. We can access no less if we are faithfully building a system of government that is open and accountable to both Members and the public at large. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .

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Members’ Statements

Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yesterday we had some pretty good discussions here in the House during Committee of the Whole on Aurora Campus and the need for a new stand-alone campus with the planning studies. However, we do have a lot of other facilities here in the Northwest Territories. We have three facilities that allow post-

secondary education for our residents of the Northwest Territories and I just want to speak to those.

As the Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , I do represent a community where the region and the Aurora Campus itself does have space and availability to offer new programs in these spaces working forward. I also want to talk about Fort Smith, as well, as another campus that can provide space.

Up in Inuvik we also have an opportunity here with the new fibre optic link operating with the Aurora Research Institute to develop and create some…

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Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

This is before committee, so your Member’s statement is concluded. Thank you. Sorry, Mr. Moses , I should have caught that earlier. Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Nadli .

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Deh Cho Regional Health Authority Governance

Members’ Statements

Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Deh Cho Health Authority was just placed under a public administrator. That makes it the fourth regional authority to experience a board takeover. In the Deh Cho case, a slew of resignations had left the board with eight vacancies and only two spots filled. There had also been questions about the efficiency and effectiveness of service delivery.

This shift toward public administrators is a kind of litmus test. It’s an indicator of genuine problems with health care governance. Existing health care legislation is vague on the respective roles of the health authority and the ministry. Technology and health care isn’t keeping pace. The Medical Travel Policy needs revamping and the level of efficiency in day-to-day operations is less than exemplary.

When the government undertakes health care reform, it should include jurisdictional boundaries. My constituents in Fort Providence and the Hay River Reserve may want to receive services in nearby Hay River rather than Fort Simpson, while the majority actually prefer to receive medical services in Yellowknife. On this note, people who travel for their medical care should not be unduly burdened with the cost of taxis, hotel rooms and meals on the road.

The board takeover at the Deh Cho Regional Health Authority, the fourth of its kind in recent memory, signals the need for a system overhaul. It’s time for the government to get into step with best practices in health care governance. Thank you.

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Deh Cho Regional Health Authority Governance

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Nadli . Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Success Of Low-Cost Daycare

Members’ Statements

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We eagerly anticipate the release of the Anti-Poverty Action Plan and the Early Childhood Development Framework and look forward to seeing how this government puts these documents into action. I propose that we insert a few pages based on what Quebec has implemented over the last 15 years.

Since the late ‘90s, Quebec has made daycare available to all for $7 per day. The price is the same regardless whether you are rich or poor. The daycares are run by professionals who are trained in early childhood development and education. The results have been excellent. Including the $7 per day, the daycare program has been shown to decrease poverty, especially among single parents and children. In the first decade alone, the number of single parents on welfare was cut in half and their after-tax income increased by 81 percent. Today the child poverty is half what it was 16 years ago.

The $7 per day daycare program has been shown to increase the number of women in the workplace. In the first decade the number of women in the workplace increased by 22 percent.

The government will say that we cannot afford to be so generous, but we already know that poverty is the root cause of many of our current social expenses. Investing in our children and young families early will produce savings as they grow. Enabling single parents to work instead of sitting at home on income support means they will also be able to pay income taxes.

An economic study in Quebec shows that the provincial and federal governments actually realize savings, receiving $1.49 for every dollar that was spent on the $7 a day daycare program.

Quebec is not alone in this. They were inspired in part by the daycare programs in Scandinavian countries such as Sweden that have been doing this for decades. In Sweden universal and affordable daycare is combined with parental leave and flexible work arrangements that allow parents to spend time with their children and continue working.

Many parents know that this is a great way to raise a family. They each work four days a week and put their children in daycare for the remaining three days, but the cost of daycare is extremely high and even people making middle incomes cannot afford it. Seven dollars per day daycare would be an investment in our children, who are our future. Experience in Scandinavia and Quebec shows that it works. It’s a no-brainer. Let’s get it done. Mahsi.

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Success Of Low-Cost Daycare

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . Before we go on, I’d like to welcome back to the House, and it’s always good to see, Mr. Anthony W.J.

Whitford, who has held every position in this Assembly. Good to see you, Tony.

The Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Dental Services In Small Communities

Members’ Statements

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to speak about this morning’s news. I was disturbed to hear about the state of dental problems in our children and in our communities. The dentist in the news this morning stood up and voiced his opinion on that, and I know a lot of it has to do with how it is still federally operated. I’m a bit confused and I will ask the Minister of Health questions on it later on.

With devolution, I thought we had all the responsibilities for health transferred over to us in 1988. According to the federal contract, we’re only allowed so many days per year per population of a dental visit, so a small community would have fewer treatment days. Also, the Finance Minister was going around our great Northwest Territories and asking for ways that we can look at how we can spend our resource revenues, and I submit that one of the ways we can take care of our people is by increasing dental visits and a dental awareness campaign.

Just with that, a couple of ideas out there, but firstly I’d like to speak with the Minister of Health and Social Services about how dental is being funded in our Northwest Territories. Thank you very much.

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Dental Services In Small Communities

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The Member for the Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Opportunities In The Sahtu Region

Members’ Statements

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thomas Edison once observed that the reason most folks don’t recognize opportunity when it comes along is that it is often dressed in coveralls and it looks like work.

Opportunities in the Sahtu and opportunities in the Northwest Territories involve a great amount of work and the willingness to take a chance on something. We are told we take hold of opportunities and know the outcome, which may be uncertain. There has been a lot of media awareness, protests and discussion in the North about the Sahtu’s oil play and, more importantly, the use of the technology hydraulic fracking. I want to say let us not fear this technology but to embrace this opportunity.

The Sahtu wants to shed its shackles of poverty. We have a high rate of unemployment in our communities. We have families who need our support so they can work. Sahtu people are well aware of the risk of this technology. We are no

different than the great minds of men who put people in space. We’re no different from the great people like Thomas Edison or Helen Keller. We must show, in light of the uncertainties and failures, that we stand to show courage so that our children will know success and non-success, but they will know, and they will see that success does not come very easy in the Sahtu or to people in the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Proposed Amendments To The Residential Tenancies Act

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. For the month of September, NWT residents had the opportunity to provide comments to the Minister of Justice about proposed amendments to the Residential Tenancies Act. Since first elected, I have been expressing concerns about that act and asking for some amendments to this piece of legislation. I’m very glad to see that change is potentially on the horizon.

The discussion paper circulated by Justice was thorough and it asked for input on most of the issues I have been talking about for the last five years. However, one issue was notably lacking, one which I hope the department will look at one more time before the amendments come forward. That’s the issue of landlord-imposed rental increases and the lack of an appeal mechanism for tenants if they believe the amount of the increase to be unfair.

I recognize the need for landlords to raise rents periodically. They are running a business, after all, and should have the ability to make a reasonable profit, but the operative word here is “reasonable.” Any increase to a tenant’s rent should be reasonable. Yet that aspect of a rent increase is not within the purview of the rental officer because of the way the Residential Tenancies Act is currently written. The act does state that rent increases can only be done once per year, but a tenant has no place to turn, no one to appeal to if they feel their rent is being unjustly increased.

As the Minister of Justice and department consider amendments to the Residential Tenancies Act, I ask that some consideration also be given to providing authority to the rental officer to deal with rental increases perceived by tenants to be unjust. There are several ways to do it and I’ll just mention three.

First, amend the act to include the words “fair and reasonable” when referring to a rent increase, or establish in regulations an upper limit – say 10 to 15 percent for a rent increase in any one year – or require the landlord to provide justification for the amount of a rental increase, proof of increased

operating costs, invoices and so on. All I’m looking for here is some fairness for tenants who feel that their rent has been unfairly increased. As I said earlier, right now there is no opportunity for a tenant to even appeal what they consider to be an unfair increase.

The act will be opened up for the amendments outlined in the Minister’s discussion paper. Now is the best time to consider this change as well. Thank you.

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Proposed Amendments To The Residential Tenancies Act

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Hydraulic Fracturing

Members’ Statements

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There were a terrible lot of lies going around the world about fracking and the worst thing of all is some of them are true. The fact is, we don’t know what the truth is about fracking until we have done our research. The GNWT and Members on this side of the House continue to go down this path and this narrative of fracking.

Is fracking right for the Northwest Territories? Yesterday I tried to articulate some of the concerns that need to be looked at if our government chooses to travel down this journey, down this path to resource riches, as we have described it. Yes, I agree with my colleague Mr. Yakeleya , from the Sahtu, that development needs to happen, and development in his region definitely deserves to happen. He will have my support when it comes to development, but is the narrative of fracking the one we wish to travel?

As I talked about yesterday, we need clear disclosure laws, public registries that show all documentation. Quite often we see the filing of technical documents by these proponents and they believe that they should make them so technical, you have to be a lawyer, engineer or even more qualified to read them.

We need laws on the books here to be developed in a way that says all documentation from any fracking policy or any company doing fracking is always in plain language. We need a public registry that spells it out to ensure that any action is taken to close gaps on problems and show that the commitments weren’t only just made but that results were achieved.

One of the problems I had seen when we travelled down to North Dakota, and I will tell you I definitely heard, was the monitoring, security, and enforcement of rules and regulations. It’s not just that we let people take water out of the ground and pump it back into the ground and then dispose of it. Quite often there wasn’t the old saying of the 360 approach. No one was watching people do what

they wanted to do with those waste materials and fluids.

We heard stories about people dumping them. Why? Because it was easy and no one was looking. We heard people just dumping on old sites and saying that was their problem. Who is going to ensure that monitoring and management of these things are critically important?

You cannot go back if you have tainted the water and you have tainted the land. You get one shot at doing it right. Let’s not create another Giant Mine. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .

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Consideration Of Coroner’s Report Recommendations

Members’ Statements

Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I apologize for my statement earlier. I do understand that the Department of Education is still in Committee of the Whole, and I do appreciate that you allowed me to speak to another important issue. Luckily for me, I have a lot to say and a lot to address here.

My Member’s statement that I did expect to talk about was on the coroner’s reports. We get those on a yearly basis. My concern with the coroner’s report is that sometimes the recommendations, when they do come into the House, don’t always get addressed in a timely fashion.

It was very great to hear the statement made today by our Premier on family violence, because sometimes what happens is when we do get these coroner’s reports, sometimes they’re linked in and tied to family violence. As a result, when those coroners go and do their investigations, put out their reports, recommendations come to this House, and that’s where we need to make sure that these recommendations, actions, are addressed, to pay respect and make sure that none of these actions or issues happen again in the future.

I will have questions to the Minister of Justice today on recommendations, what are the guidelines for getting these recommendations addressed, and how often does the Department of Justice go through these recommendations to make sure that they are addressed in a timely fashion so that family members and friends of victims who have passed away from sudden death get the closure that they need and that they know what has happened to somebody in the past will never happen to another resident of the NWT again.

Mr. Speaker, I thank you again for giving me a second Member’s statement. Mahsi.

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Jackie Jacobson

You’re welcome, Mr. Moses . Order! Order! Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Passing Of Roy King Sr.

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to do another tribute. I’d like to do a tribute to a Mr. Roy King Sr. from Fort Resolution. Mr. King was my uncle. He was born on May 6, 1949, and passed away October 3, 2013, at the age of 64. Roy Sr. was diagnosed with terminal cancer in the spring and passed away in the fall.

Roy King Sr. was born in Rocher River and was raised in Rocher River and Rat River. He was the youngest of Francois King and Judith Giroux’s children. Rocher River was a thriving community where people lived directly on the land. Roy attended school in Rocher River until the school burned down, then he moved to Fort Resolution.

Mr. Speaker, Roy loved his family and was dearly loved by his family in return. This was illustrated by his brothers Tommy and Wilfred, and his sister Annie’s children all coming together to bury him a couple weeks ago.

Over the past 20 years, Roy lived with Mary Petit-Jean in Fort Resolution. Roy worked for forestry for many years and retired a couple years ago. He wanted to eventually build a cabin along the Taltson River and go back to living off the land.

Roy would travel with the new boat that he had purchased, on the Slave River, Jean River, up to the Rocher River, Rat River and many of those areas, exploring places where he thought he was eventually going to build his cabin.

Mr. King is survived by his common-law, Mary Petit-Jean; his son, Roy Jr. and his common-law, Julia; and the only remaining sibling in his family, my mother, Annie; along with his grandchildren, Destry, Deborah, Carol, Jared, Greg; many great-grandchildren, Grace, Peton, Roy Jr. 3rd ; stepson

Greg Villeneuve and his wife, Lorraine; and many nieces and nephews and great-nieces and nephews.

My condolences go out to Roy’s family and friends, and especially his common-law, children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren and my mother. Thank you very much.

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Passing Of Roy King Sr.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Thoughts and prayers to the family. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Premier , Mr. McLeod.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Yellowknife South

Bob McLeod

Premier

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to recognize visitors from the Status of Women Council of the Northwest Territories who chair the Coalition Against Family Violence: Lorraine Phaneuf, the executive director; Annemieke Mulders, programs and research manager;

Samantha Dechief, community development coordinator; and David Wasylciw. Thank you.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, too, would like to welcome the group from the Status of Women Council here to the House. Can’t see you guys up there behind me, but I know you’re there. Mr. Wasylciw, as well. He’s not a constituent, but we talk often enough he probably could be.

I would particularly like to welcome back some people who used to reside in Yellowknife. I want to call them old residents, but that’s not all that good. Sitting here we have Dr. Anne Davies. Her claim to fame, one of many, is that she was the first full-time president of the NWT Teachers’ Association in 1979. Ms. Davies is internationally renowned. She’s an author, teacher, researcher, particularly on education in classroom assessment. With her is Mr. Stuart Duncan, also a former Yellowknifer, a resident here from 1970 to 1986. So welcome, too. He worked with the government in Public Works.

He was a founding member of Ecology North and Sport North. I cannot forget my most valuable constituency assistant, Amanda. Welcome all. Thank you.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . Item 6, acknowledgements. Mr. Yakeleya .

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Acknowledgement 9-17(4): Passing Of Andy Carpenter Jr. Of Norman Wells

Acknowledgements

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to acknowledge well-known youth Andy Carpenter Jr., who passed away suddenly in Norman Wells. People remember him as a youth who was easily liked and made everyone smile. He was a youth who was kind-hearted and always had a positive attitude towards everybody in life. He enjoyed hunting and was a strong athletic motivator.

We will always remember Andy in our hearts, especially by his parents, family and friends. Mahsi.

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Acknowledgement 9-17(4): Passing Of Andy Carpenter Jr. Of Norman Wells

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Again, thoughts and prayers with the Carpenter family. Mr. Bromley .

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Acknowledgement 9-17(4): Passing Of Andy Carpenter Jr. Of Norman Wells

Acknowledgements

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I request permission to return to item number 5 on the Order Paper.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Jackie Jacobson

Mr. Bromley .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery (Reversion)

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery (Reversion)

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

I would also like to recognize today Mr. Tony Whitford, a resident of Weledeh, as well as Amanda Mallon, also a resident of Weledeh. I would like to add my voice in recognizing Mr. Stu Duncan, who was on, I think, one of the very original boards of Ecology North back in the 1970s. It’s great to see him visiting our fair city once again. I hope he sees a good difference. Mahsi.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery (Reversion)

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . Item 7, oral questions. Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 350-17(4): Dental Services In Small Communities

Oral Questions

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Earlier I spoke about dental issues in the North and how I wanted to find out more about how dentists are funded to go into the communities.

I’d like to ask the Minister of Health and Social Services if he can give me a little bit of information on how dental services are provided to the smaller communities. Thank you.

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Question 350-17(4): Dental Services In Small Communities

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 350-17(4): Dental Services In Small Communities

Oral Questions

Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As Mr. Menicoche indicated in his Member’s statement, dental services are not an insured service by the Government of the Northwest Territories. However, we do work with the dentists, and the dentists go into the communities.

What happens is, during the year the dentists have a program where they’ll contract with the various authorities, and based on those contracts, they contract a certain amount of days that they are to be in each community, and then they are paid according to the amount of days they would spend in the communities. Then they do what they can in the communities just for the dental services, not for therapy and stuff like that.

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Question 350-17(4): Dental Services In Small Communities

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Like I indicated, the health was transferred in 1988, and it seems like some of the health care is being provided by non-insured health services. Maybe the Minister can just explain about how that is still a federal service and why we’re not taking care of that.

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Question 350-17(4): Dental Services In Small Communities

Oral Questions

Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

I think that some of the acts of the dentist have to be revamped. Some of the acts are very old, so we are looking at revamping the Dental Profession Act at this time. Although the dental services remains a non-insured service, the department does get support from the federal government through the THSSI funding, or

the Territorial Health System Sustainability Initiative. They provide us about a quarter of a million dollars in this area to pay for the dentists to go in there.

The specific details of why it was not included in a complete transfer in 1988, I don’t have that specific detail here with me today.

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Question 350-17(4): Dental Services In Small Communities

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

I’m not too sure. I was just quick to listen about the particular report that was on the news this morning and that the dentist had spoken about. It addresses that there are shortcomings in the smaller communities, shortcomings in providing dental services, as well as dental awareness.

I’d like to ask the Minister if the department is doing enough in this regard and what is his strategy going forward in improving these services in the smaller communities.

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Question 350-17(4): Dental Services In Small Communities

Oral Questions

Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

The Department of Health and Social Services is working with the Government of Nunavut and the Government of Yukon developing a pan-territorial oral health strategy. We are doing the oral health strategy because of obvious reasons of health and all kinds of positive impacts. Within that health strategy, we are going to do an oral health promotion and prevention.

We have listed many programs that we are looking at and together we’re hoping that, as indicated in the report, the only jurisdiction that had worse results than the Northwest Territories dental-wise was Nunavut, and we are working with them and the Yukon to see if we can develop something in the area of prevention in order that we turn that around. It starts before babies even have teeth, so we’re starting right from scratch in trying to develop a strategy that we think will be effective.

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Question 350-17(4): Dental Services In Small Communities

Oral Questions

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 350-17(4): Dental Services In Small Communities

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I submit one more time that I think one of the better strategies is to increase the visits, increase the number of days of service to the smaller communities. I’d like to ask the Minister if he will take that into consideration and look at that in his overall strategy. I believe that’s one of the musts that we should do.

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Question 350-17(4): Dental Services In Small Communities

Oral Questions

Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Yes, I agree that some more visits by dental staff will be a good part of the oral health strategy. However, I think filling all of the dental therapist positions is also another strategy that we need to employ, and we’ll certainly look at the possibility of increasing visits as we did in other communities that requested that there be more visits. We will again talk to the dental people, within the bounds of our contract with them, to see what is possible.

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Question 350-17(4): Dental Services In Small Communities

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Nadli .

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Question 351-17(4): Deh Cho Regional Health Authority Governance

Oral Questions

Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Earlier I made my statement on the status of the Deh Cho Health and Social Services that affects my constituency. My question is to the Minister of Health and Social Services .

Could the Minister explain what is the anticipated timeline for reinstating the board of management in the Deh Cho Health Authority? Mahsi.

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Question 351-17(4): Deh Cho Regional Health Authority Governance

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Nadli . The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 351-17(4): Deh Cho Regional Health Authority Governance

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Tu Nedhe

Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Health and Social Services

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We certainly had some discussions on the timeline on when we will go back to having a board of management. We need to do some consultation. There is some feeling by some Members in the Legislative Assembly that perhaps we could have some form of advisory board, but the plan is to have a board back in place within two years.

I’ve had this discussion with the newly appointed public administrator and he recognizes that his role there is to assist us in eventually bringing a board back in place for the Deh Cho Health and Social Services. Thank you.

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Question 351-17(4): Deh Cho Regional Health Authority Governance

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

It seems that there is going to be a wait period of two years until the board structured.

Within the current structure of the Deh Cho Health and Social Services, what assurances could the Minister provide that the level of public accountability to the residents of the Deh Cho will be held in highest regard, ensuring that the health care services will continue to be delivered at a scale that is fairly efficient and, at the same time, meets the needs of the public? Mahsi.

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Question 351-17(4): Deh Cho Regional Health Authority Governance

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Tu Nedhe

Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Health and Social Services

Mr. Speaker, one of the reasons we appointed a public administrator is that there are certainly some significant concerns with health and social services in the Deh Cho. We are hoping that we are correcting some of those concerns in Health and Social Services and also that the public administrator, along with our senior management, recognizes the need to consult throughout the whole process. I have agreed to do a full consultation with not only Members of the Legislative Assembly but the leaders within the various communities in the Deh Cho along with the public administrator. Thank you.

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Question 351-17(4): Deh Cho Regional Health Authority Governance

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, there are fairly significant initiatives happening within my riding, including one of the biggest projects to date is the construction of the health centre. I want to pose a question to the Minister how he sees the public accountability will be maintained, ensuring that projects like the health centre will continue to be

held in the highest regard, ensuring that construction schedules will be maintained and also, at the same time, the local input from people’s concerns regarding the health care system will continue to be addressed and remedied. Mahsi.

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Question 351-17(4): Deh Cho Regional Health Authority Governance

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Tu Nedhe

Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Health and Social Services

Certainly the mandate of the department is to do the best possible job it can in introducing infrastructure into the community. The new health centre in Fort Providence is on schedule. We’re proceeding with that piece of infrastructure. The timelines that we are looking at prior to moving to a public administrator is the same timeline that we are looking at now, so there will be no change in that. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 351-17(4): Deh Cho Regional Health Authority Governance

Oral Questions

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Nadli .

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Question 351-17(4): Deh Cho Regional Health Authority Governance

Oral Questions

Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister had indicated and stated that there will be a level of consultation preceding, more likely, the advancements towards the discussion of reinstituting the health board.

Can the Minister provide an update as to what it is that he will be consulting and the term of the consultation period before the Deh Cho Health and Social Services Board is reinstituted? Mahsi.

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Question 351-17(4): Deh Cho Regional Health Authority Governance

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Tu Nedhe

Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Health and Social Services

Mr. Speaker, we are hoping to have one meeting soon. Aside from community meetings, we're hoping to get the MLA from Deh Cho and also the MLAs from Hay River as it could involve the new health centre in Hay River to provide services on the reserve, and also the two public administrators from Hay River and Deh Cho along with the chiefs from Deh Cho to sit down and make sure we are moving in the right direction and that people are happy with the direction that we are going in.

Any medical services, as an example, the Member indicated that people in Fort Providence may find it easy to draw their service directly from Yellowknife. That is something we would certainly consider when we consider medical services in the Deh Cho.

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Question 351-17(4): Deh Cho Regional Health Authority Governance

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 352-17(4): Hydraulic Fracturing Baseline Measures

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In my Member’s statement I talked about the observation made by Thomas Edison, who is a well-known inventor who had trials and tribulations before he got the incandescent light right. I want to talk about the issue of technology called hydraulic fracking. I will direct my questions to the Minister of ITI on this issue in the Sahtu.

No matter what we saw in the Bakken and the east corner of Saskatchewan, is the Minister looking at some sort of a checklist in the social,

environmental, cultural and economics when we look at fracking in the Sahtu. Do you check that yes, we have the baseline, we have support from families, we have the economics, we have everything right and then we can proceed? Is there going to be a checklist, a go or no-go on fracking?

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 352-17(4): Hydraulic Fracturing Baseline Measures

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. One thing is for sure and that is we have to do our homework, and part of the trip to southeastern Saskatchewan and into the Bakken was to do some of that homework, educate ourselves on the process of hydraulic fracturing, as was the case last year when we went to Calgary, went to a lab there and got time in front of the regulator in Alberta and also the B.C. Oil and Gas Commission that happened in Calgary last year.

We need to ensure that we do everything we can to make an informed decision as a government, as a people. I mentioned it yesterday, the aspirations of the people of the Sahtu, the aspirations of the people of the Northwest Territories, those aspirations have to be handled by us, not influenced by others who do not live in the Northwest Territories, do not call the Northwest Territories home and have really – other than an opinion – not much to add to our future economic aspirations as a territory and as a people, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

My earlier comments in my Member’s statement talked about the Sahtu being on the verge of the next energy driver in Canada. I want to say to the Minister, with this type of potential in the Sahtu, is the Minister working with his colleagues with regard to preparing the Sahtu to take on this initiative, that things are in place for training, for child care, for education and for the environment, for all these things that we can say yes, we feel comfortable that everything has been encompassed, that we can go ahead to the next stage in hydraulic fracking. Is that a project that he’s willing to consider bringing to the House and saying we have it done, we have it right?

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment

Let me be as clear as I can be – and I’ve mentioned it before – without the use of hydraulic fracking, there will be no development in the Sahtu, there will be no jobs or opportunities. That is why it’s critically important that we get this right. I know other Members have mentioned this; we can’t afford to get it wrong. We have to do everything we can, and certainly from the inception of the development, the activity that’s taken place in the Sahtu, this government has taken that opportunity very seriously. We’ve met a number of times. I know through the Department of Industry, Tourism and Investment, we’ve had readiness sessions in the area. We’ve also had

community sessions. We’ve done a lot of upfront work. I know I’ve impressed upon all of Cabinet what the opportunities are there, and I know we’re working as a team to ensure that we’re doing our best to get ready for what is coming.

We have to allow the exploration, the drilling of some of these wells to get a better determination of what is in the ground in the Sahtu, and certainly a lot of industry experts believe there are billions of barrels of oil in the ground in the central Mackenzie Valley and we need to let that happen so that we can get to a point where companies can make a decision and the people of the Northwest Territories can make a decision on whether or not we’re going to develop that resource.

We’re a ways away from that determination on the commercial viability of that resource play, but we certainly have been doing a lot to get ready, and we will continue to work with the Member and the communities in the Sahtu to ensure that we are getting ready for that development. Thank you.

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Certainly the people in the Sahtu do realize the opportunity that lies right in their backyard on our land. What I’m asking the Minister of ITI is: Is there going to be some sort of a comprehensive checklist? Families who want to go work, there’s the high cost of living. So we need daycares in our communities, Deline, Good Hope, Tulita, Norman Wells, Colville Lake. We need to provide training opportunities in the Sahtu.

Will the Minister be coming forward to say this is a comprehensive checklist so that we can take advantage of the opportunity of hydraulic fracking in the Sahtu? We know that. I want to ask the Minister again, is that something he can look at within the life of this government and prepare our people for the opportunity that we see.

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment

Thank you. Certainly the government in its interdepartmental exercise when it comes to preparing ourselves for the development in the Sahtu, that work has happened already. If the Member is looking for a checklist, we can certainly develop a checklist. But the most important thing here is the people in the Northwest Territories will be making those decisions on whether or not development happens in the central Mackenzie Valley, and central to that is the fact that the people of the Sahtu should have, should they choose to have the aspirations to develop those resources, the same, not people in Vancouver and Toronto. Thank you.

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Question 352-17(4): Hydraulic Fracturing Baseline Measures

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was in Norman Wells over the weekend and I know that our people want to work. We are the ones on our land in the Sahtu. We’ll make that decision on frack or no frack.

Now, I just want to ask the Minister, regarding this checklist, is he looking at something this winter on the Mackenzie Valley winter road with the state of our winter roads. They’re going to be hauling out some chemicals on that winter road. Is the Minister going to look at some type of funding that would make sure that it will be safe so that these trucks can drive out and we’ll know that for sure there’s going to be no environmental impacts if there’s a spill on our winter roads? Thank you.

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment

Thank you. We’ve had a long history of working with industry in the area. We will continue to work with industry so that we can get the requisite investment by industry to enable us to enhance the winter road. Through the Department of Transportation, we’ve done a lot of work on mapping. I know the Member and I drove the winter road last year. There’s a map that’s been developed. We’re improving the road itself, putting in a number of bridges and crossings there.

We will continue to try to improve the safety of that road, not just for industry but for the travelling public, and we continue to do that. Also, we are looking at some further enforcement and the provision of highway officers in the area this coming season. We are looking at the possibility of close to 80 to 90 million dollars being spent in the area this winter. So it’s important. There’s going to be a number of trucks traversing that road again this winter, so it’s important that we put all these steps in place to ensure that it is done in a safe manner. Thank you.

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Question 352-17(4): Hydraulic Fracturing Baseline Measures

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 353-17(4): Bison On The Deh Cho Bridge

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to use today’s opportunity for question period maybe to probe into the workings of buffalo gates on the Deh Cho Bridge. It’s come to our attention through the media, but oddly enough, I’ve been hearing about the urban legend of buffalo crossing the bridge at Fort Providence, but I have yet to actually see the facts before us.

I’d like to start off by asking the Minister of Transportation how much did the buffalo gates cost and how much will it cost to fix them or repair them so the buffalo aren’t roaming up on that bridge. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Minister of Transportation , Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 353-17(4): Bison On The Deh Cho Bridge

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

fact went around and jumped a guardrail and got onto the bridge. The Department of Transportation is currently looking at a remedy to see that bison can’t go down on the right-hand side of the bridge and jump the guardrail and get on that bridge again. So we’re taking steps to ensure that that does not happen again.

Again, the good news is, the gate works. Thank you.

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Question 353-17(4): Bison On The Deh Cho Bridge

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you. Well, I guess the next question is: How does the Minister know they can’t cross the Texas gates? Thank you.

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Question 353-17(4): Bison On The Deh Cho Bridge

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

That bison, to my knowledge, was observed jumping the guardrail and not going across the Texas gate. The Texas gate is utilized across North America as a way of keeping cattle out of an area. It’s certainly something we see a lot of in Alberta and it works. Thank you.

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Question 353-17(4): Bison On The Deh Cho Bridge

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

It reminds me of a joke my kid would say, is why did the buffalo cross the bridge.

---Laughter

Obviously, to get to the other side.

But in all seriousness, how much will this cost now to fix this new remedy or new hole we’re finding out in the Deh Cho Bridge process and system? How much more money is required now to keep the buffalo from jumping from the side onto the bridge, and what remedy does the Department of Transportation have in its pocketbook of plays to deal with a buffalo in the middle of the bridge while people are coming over it and while they have no choice? Something is going to happen.

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Question 353-17(4): Bison On The Deh Cho Bridge

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you. It wouldn’t be a great deal of money to get that fixed and that guardrail raised up. I certainly will make a commitment to get that figure to Members. We have to remember that where the Deh Cho Bridge is, bison that are in the area, that river is frozen six and a half months out of the year. They could certainly walk across there, and bison have been known to swim up to a kilometre at a time. So they could certainly swim across the river.

Our objective, in all of this, is public safety and keeping bison off the bridge. The cattle gate was put in to ensure that bison stayed off the bridge. Obviously, we had a bison that went around the gate and jumped the guardrail, and we will make every effort to ensure that that does not happen. Thank you.

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Question 353-17(4): Bison On The Deh Cho Bridge

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 353-17(4): Bison On The Deh Cho Bridge

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m really glad to hear what the Minister had to say, but he avoided my last question, which is simply: What is going to happen if there’s a buffalo on the bridge and somebody comes along and goes over the

hump of the bridge and all of a sudden sees a buffalo? The buffalo has nowhere to go but on the side or jump over. Potentially someone could hit the buffalo; there’s nowhere to swerve. I mean, we know how narrow that bridge is. So the question essentially is: Is public safety being compromised with this failed solution to keep the buffalo off the bridge?

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Question 353-17(4): Bison On The Deh Cho Bridge

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you. No, it’s not and we are making every effort to ensure that it doesn’t happen again. Thank you.

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Question 353-17(4): Bison On The Deh Cho Bridge

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Question 354-17(4): Low-Cost Daycare Programs

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to follow up on my earlier Member’s statement with questions to the Minister for Education, Culture and Employment . During the last election campaign, the NWT Status of Women Council in the NWT asked all candidates the following: “If elected, would you commit to helping all communities in the NWT build affordable, quality, licensed child care facilities”? I will be tabling that later today.

I’m happy to report that candidates Bob McLeod , Glen Abernethy and Tom Beaulieu , and most of us on this side of the House made that commitment. The Minister himself did not reply.

Could the Minister answer the question today? Now that you have been elected and put on Cabinet with this responsibility, how is this government planning to fulfill your colleagues’ commitment to helping all communities in the NWT build affordable, quality licensed child care facilities? Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . Education, Culture and Employment, Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 354-17(4): Low-Cost Daycare Programs

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Throughout the Northwest Territories we have child care centres and also daycare establishments, and throughout Yellowknife as well. At the same time, there is always room for improvement, as well, within my department. We’re always exploring ways of improving, whether it be the facility, whether it be changing the policies or programming. We’ve done that in the past where we’ve provided funding to the daycare establishment, where we pay for part of the mortgage and part of the operation cost as well. We will continue to make those changes that will reflect and be a positive outcome for the children in the centres.

This is an area that we are also discussing with the Early Childhood Development Framework, an overall framework. Now we are going to be focusing on the action plan. As we move forward, these are some of the changes that will be coming. Mahsi.

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Question 354-17(4): Low-Cost Daycare Programs

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thanks to the Minister. We are certainly a planning Assembly, and we are hoping for action. After two years in office, people, of course, are starting to get tired of hearing statements of commitment and intentions. I feel that they are starting to look for actual actions.

Could the Minister estimate how many affordable daycare spaces have been created since we were elected?

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

I don’t have those exact details, dates and times for establishment of those facilities, but I will provide that to the Members.

Again, with the Early Childhood Development Framework, we’ve engaged the general public, the educators, the daycare workers, on what’s required, what’s needed. That is just some of the feedback we received through my department and also Health and Social Services, Again, as we move forward, those are some of the discussions that we will be starting to implement, along with the support or guidance of the standing committee as we move forward.

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Question 354-17(4): Low-Cost Daycare Programs

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

We are in the process of reviewing the capital budget, and the government claims its spending the vast majority of the available funds building highways is an investment in our future. I would suggest that investing in our children has been demonstrated to have a better result, including economic result.

How much money is the government planning to invest in new daycare spaces over the remainder of our term in office as of today?

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

I agree with the Member that investing in our children is a priority of this government and we must continue to drive that forward. With respect to the capital planning process, we are still going through the process itself on an annual basis. We provide that information through the capital planning process and we will continue to do so. Next year, the following year, we have two years in our terms, and we will continue to push that forward with respect to the centres in the Northwest Territories.

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Question 354-17(4): Low-Cost Daycare Programs

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Bromley .

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Question 354-17(4): Low-Cost Daycare Programs

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thanks to the Minister. It’s clear. The data are in and they’re accumulating more rapidly by the day. Universal daycare provides huge returns. The Quebec and Scandinavian examples prove those returns on dollars invested. Most recently, Quebec, Canada, $1.49 for every dollar invested, Mr. Finance Minister .

Will the Minister commit to examining this model closely and reporting back to committee soon so we can take action? I know he did express interest

when this was brought up in committee. Sorry. I retract that remark. I know that the Minister is interested in this question, so will he look closely at it and bring it to committee for discussion?

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Question 354-17(4): Low-Cost Daycare Programs

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

We have been gathering information or doing our research, especially with respect to Quebec, the daycare, the $7 daycare a day, and also just recently, 2013-2014, they are beginning their junior kindergarten. Those are some of the things that we are monitoring, and we are moving forward within our own initiatives, as well, and then we will provide that information to the Members, that research that we’ve done throughout the other jurisdictions as well.

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Question 354-17(4): Low-Cost Daycare Programs

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The Member for Range Lake , Mr. Dolynny .

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Question 355-17(4): Access To Information Provisions For Members Of The Legislative Assembly

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is a given that privacy is the very hallmark of security we have bargained for in subjecting ourselves to the rule of law. However, in the same breath, access to information for Members of this House is the cornerstone of democracy, consensus government, transparency and accountability. Democracy itself is weakened and public accountability crippled when access to important information is hampered or refused.

As a follow-up to my Member’s statement today, I wish to address questions to the Justice Minister on improving access to information for Members of this House and the public at large.

The Information and Privacy Commissioner of the Northwest Territories has recommended numerous times, through her annual reporting, a need for the Department of Justice to review the Access to Information and Protection of Privacy Act. What have been the barriers for the Department of Justice not to follow through with these repeated requests?

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Question 355-17(4): Access To Information Provisions For Members Of The Legislative Assembly

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . The Minister of Justice , Mr. Abernethy .

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Question 355-17(4): Access To Information Provisions For Members Of The Legislative Assembly

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I understand the Member’s comments, and I understand the desire for Members to have access to all information that the Government of the Northwest Territories has, but I can’t stress enough that individuals do have a right to privacy, as do corporations. We do have a process where Members who need or desire specific information can request information, and if we, as Members and Ministers on this side, know who it’s coming from, we’re certainly happy to work with the Members to provide as much information as we

can. But there will be situations where there are individuals or corporations who have specific information that they have a right to have private, and we have to all, as Members, respect that.

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Question 355-17(4): Access To Information Provisions For Members Of The Legislative Assembly

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

My question didn’t ask for a schooling on the rule of law here. My question simply is: When will the Justice department begin a comprehensive review of the Access to Information and Protection of Privacy Act, which was recently recommended by the Information and Privacy Commissioner and, as well, by the Standing Committee on Government Operations?

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Question 355-17(4): Access To Information Provisions For Members Of The Legislative Assembly

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

The standing committee made a number of recommendations with respect to the ATIPP Act, and recommendation number three asked the exact question that the Member is asking here today. In our response, which was tabled earlier this week, we indicated that we are doing that detailed progress report, and we will certainly have that to the committee within this current fiscal year.

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Question 355-17(4): Access To Information Provisions For Members Of The Legislative Assembly

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

It’s encouraging that we’re hearing a progress report, but will the Minister of Justice commit to the Members of this House that when we do this ATIPP review that one of the goals of this review will be to investigate MLAs having a broader range of information access under such rule of law?

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Question 355-17(4): Access To Information Provisions For Members Of The Legislative Assembly

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Recognizing that individuals do have a right to privacy and there is certainly information that individuals and corporations may not want in the public sphere, including in the hands of MLAs, we are happy to work with committee on this request.

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Question 355-17(4): Access To Information Provisions For Members Of The Legislative Assembly

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Dolynny .

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Question 355-17(4): Access To Information Provisions For Members Of The Legislative Assembly

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate the Minister’s response. The Minister mentioned earlier about a progress report, but will the Minister ensure that a complete review of the ATIPP Act is completed in time for all amendments to come forward within the life of the 17th Assembly?

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If that is the wish of committee, we are happy to work with them.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . Colleagues, before we continue on with Members’ oral questions, I’d like to welcome Mr. Geoff Wiest, chair of the Independent Commission on Members’ Compensation and Benefits; and Mr. David Krutko, a former Member and member of the commission. Welcome to the House.

The Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .

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Question 356-17(4): Consideration Of Coroner’s Report Recommendations

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m going to follow up with some questions to one of my Member’s statements earlier today on the coroner’s report. I have been reviewing some of the coroner’s reports since 2002, looking at some of the recommendations. I want to ask the Minister of Justice when the coroner’s reports come out of his department, who is responsible for addressing those recommendations out of the reports? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . Minister of Justice , Mr. Abernethy .

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Question 356-17(4): Consideration Of Coroner’s Report Recommendations

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Member obviously has taken a look at a number of the coroner’s reports. When looking at the reports, he will recognize that many of the recommendations are to different organizations, sometimes different departments within the Government of the Northwest Territories. When it is to a specific department, that department is responsible for responding to those recommendations. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 356-17(4): Consideration Of Coroner’s Report Recommendations

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Mr. Speaker, my next question in terms of the responses to these recommendations: Is there a regulated guideline or regulation or some type of guideline to develop a timely response or a timely action to address these recommendations so that incidences that result in death don’t happen again? Is there something regulated in place right now? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 356-17(4): Consideration Of Coroner’s Report Recommendations

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Mr. Speaker, no, there is nothing regulated indicating a timeline for turnaround on recommendations. The recommendations themselves are not legally binding, but the coroner does expect responses within three months after releasing her report. If she doesn’t receive the responses to the recommendations within three months, she usually follows up with the individual to whom the recommendation is made.

Just as a note, it’s important that we do get responses to these recommendations because the coroner does use these responses to inform future decisions. So it’s important that we do get responses. As a government, we are committed to responding to recommendations when they are made to us in individual departments or as the government as a whole. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 356-17(4): Consideration Of Coroner’s Report Recommendations

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Mr. Speaker, over the last week, since we came back in session, there have been discussions about medical detox and treatment and psychiatrists within the NWT. In the 2002 coroner’s report, the same recommendations came out that we need a detox facility and we need more resident psychiatrists.

I know the Minister can’t speak for all the government, but would the Minister look at seeing what recommendations are made for his department and commit to looking at doing an audit over the last 10 years in which recommendations his department would be able to address and get those addressed? The longer we don’t address these recommendations, it just means people are continuing to slip through the hole and that is not acceptable. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

If committee wants that information, I am happy to provide that information. Granted, over a 10-year period of time, it might take quite a bit of resources and time to pull that data together. A specific ask might be a little bit easier to accommodate, but regardless, if that’s what committee wants, I am happy to provide that information. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Moses .

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Question 356-17(4): Consideration Of Coroner’s Report Recommendations

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Maybe 10 years is a little bit too long, but maybe I can ask the Minister to ensure his department, since the coroner’s office falls under his department, takes responsibility to ensure that other departments act on the recommendations in the reports, not for the last 10 years, but just try one year and try the last report, which was the 2011 report. Can I ask the Minister to at least attempt to do that? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Mr. Speaker, I am obviously happy to follow the request from committee, if that is what committee wants. We are happy to look at the last coroner’s report and provide a bit of an analysis from the Department of Justice perspective on actions taken. At the same time, the Member may want to have some discussions with some of the other Ministers where recommendations were made specifically to them as well. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 356-17(4): Consideration Of Coroner’s Report Recommendations

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 357-17(4): Proposed Amendments To The Residential Tenancies Act

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to follow up on my Member’s statement from today and I have some questions today for the Minister of Justice . I discussed proposed amendments to the Residential Tenancies Act in my Member’s statement, and a discussion paper which the Minister had put out during the month of September. One of the items in the discussion paper that I did not mention is titled Consistency with the Condominium Act and there are several provisions in there which the department is suggesting to bring the Residential Tenancies Act

in line with the Condominium Act. I agree with the proposal that is suggested, but I think there is one missing. I think the Residential Tenancies Act should also look at providing easy access or a mechanism for a condo corporation to collect on arrears. Condo members have condo fees. When they don’t pay them, they are in arrears.

I would like to know from the Minister whether or not anything exists now for a condo corporation if they have members who are heavily in arrears, is there a mechanism for them to collect and if there is not, would he consider adding it. Thank you.

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Question 357-17(4): Proposed Amendments To The Residential Tenancies Act

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The honourable Minister of Justice , Mr. Abernethy .

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Glen Abernethy

Minister of Justice

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m not aware of every specific clause within the Condominium Act, but I’m happy to have the department take a look at it and provide some additional information to the Member. As far as committing to something I haven’t read, that’s not something I’m prepared to do at this time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 357-17(4): Proposed Amendments To The Residential Tenancies Act

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thanks to the Minister. Good on you for not agreeing to something you haven’t read. I am right there with you on that one.

One of the things I highlighted in my statement was rent controls and limits on rental increases. Rent controls are highly debatable. There will be probably as many people on the no side as there are on the yes side on rent controls. I highlighted that there is no option for tenants if there is what they consider to be an unfair increase in their rent.

I would like to know whether or not the Justice department, in looking at this Residential Tenancies Act and their paper, did they look at this issue of unjustified rent. And if so, why is it not part of their discussion paper? Thank you.

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Question 357-17(4): Proposed Amendments To The Residential Tenancies Act

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Glen Abernethy

Minister of Justice

Mr. Speaker, we did go out with a discussion paper that had eight key themes. We did get a significant number of responses to that discussion paper. We are currently pulling together a “what we heard” document which we are hoping to have out later this fall, which we will be happy and absolutely we will be taking it to committee to discuss before we move forward with an LP. We do hope to move forward with a legislative proposal either shortly before Christmas or shortly after Christmas, where we have an opportunity to work with committee on how we move forward with this particular legislation.

Obviously, as the Member said, there is a lot of debate on both sides of the rent control issue and we’re happy to have those conversations as we move forward. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 357-17(4): Proposed Amendments To The Residential Tenancies Act

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Mr. Speaker, thanks to the Minister for answering my last question. It is very nice to hear things are moving forward and to get a time frame for it.

My Member’s statement suggested three possible solutions to helping tenants if they have what they c