Debates of Feb. 27th, 1998

This is page numbers 1177 - 1204 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Signing Of The Labour Market Development Agreement

Maca's Long Service Awards

Aurora College - Yellowknife Campus

Tribute To Elaine Dierk

Notice Of Absence From The House

Yellowknife Office Space Plan

Funding Allocated To The City Of Yellowknife

International Women's Day

Funding Allocated To The City Of Yellowknife

Peary Caribou Conference

Housing For Low-income Residents

Passing Of Frank Betsina

Support For Northern Hunters And Trappers

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Education Funding In The Baffin Region

Labour Market Agreement

Southern Perception Of Northern Hunting

Methods Of Subsistence Harvesting

Responding To Anti-harvesting Messages

Amendment To The Workers' Compensation Act

Apportioning Leasing Opportunities

Preservation Of The Peary Caribou

Federal Budget Reference To Division

Lowering The NWT Rent Scale

Aboriginal Teachers In The Nwt

Reallocation Of Departmental Surpluses

Extended Adjournment

Resolution Of Pay Equity Issue In The Nwt

Item 17: First Reading Of Bills

Bill 7:

An Act To Amend The Territorial Court Act

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Tabled Document 69-13(5): Letters Of Support From Constituents

Item 21: Third Reading Of Bills

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Miltenberger , Honourable Don Morin , Honourable Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Steen , Honourable Manitok Thompson , Honourable John Todd .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Good morning. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 78-13(5): Signing Of The Labour Market Development Agreement

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good Morning. Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to inform the Assembly that later this afternoon, I will sign the Canada/Northwest Territories Labour Market Development Agreement with the Honourable Ethel Blondin-Andrew, Member of Parliament for Western Arctic, Secretary of State for Children and Youth on behalf of the Honourable Pierre Pettigrew, Minister of Human Resources and Development Canada.

I would like to take this opportunity to invite my honourable colleagues from this House to attend the signing ceremony at 2:30 this afternoon in the Great Hall.

This agreement will enable the territorial government to take on a bigger role in the design, management and delivery of labour market programs for unemployed northerners. Under this agreement, $18.8 million will be transferred to the NWT over the next four years to provide programs and services. These funds will support retraining subsidies for employers, employment counselling, and job placement services.

Northerners will be able to access these programs and services through a network of Canada NWT Service Centres in Yellowknife, Fort Simpson, Inuvik, Iqaluit, Rankin Inlet and Hay River. As well, this agreement provides the opportunity for the NWT to expand labour market services to the Kitikmeot region. Human Resources Development Canada will continue to pay financial support direct to unemployed Canadians through its Employment Insurance Program.

Accountability and measurable results are important aspects of the Labour Market Agreement. During 1998-99, we expect to see more than 400 employment insurance clients return to employment or become self-employed after referral to territorial programs and services. This will result in a saving of about $3.6 million to the employment insurance account.

The transfer will take place on April 1st of this year, although the actual implementation will take longer. The two governments will form a transition committee to review the way services are currently provided and create a plan to transfer staff, funding and other resources.

This collaborative approach should go a long way toward improving opportunities for unemployed northerners to find their way back into the job market. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 78-13(5): Signing Of The Labour Market Development Agreement

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Ms. Thompson .

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Minister's Statement 79-13(5): Maca's Long Service Awards

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to pay special tribute to the employees of the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs, and in particular, those employees who have long service with this department.

It is important to recognize the contribution that long service employees make in the north. We recognize their value and how they play such an important

part in the lives of every citizen. Their dedication and commitment to their work and to serving the people of the NWT is truly appreciated.

The department will be presenting Long Service Awards at a special gathering later this afternoon to the following MACA staff:

- Bev Drozda and Linda Weselowski for 20 years of service with the department

- Debbie Decker, Ilona Legler and Ron Tecsy for 15 years service

- Susan Craig, Susan Sheck, Nancy Marchiori, Buddy Williams and Myles Sartor for ten years service.

- In addition, there are two employees from the South Slave - Deh Cho region who have 15 years of service. They are, Gladys Bourke and Ron Hardisty.

Thank you all for your valued contributions and continued hard work.

I hope that today's presentation marks a memorable highlight of your public service careers with the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 79-13(5): Maca's Long Service Awards

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 80-13(5): Aurora College - Yellowknife Campus

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to inform the Members of this Assembly that the official opening of Aurora College's new Yellowknife Campus takes place today.

This is an important step in the development of the campus. Before the new facility was built, students were taking classes in a number of buildings across Yellowknife, none of which were specifically designed to be instructional space. As of January, however, students from most programs have been taking classes at the new campus in Northern United Place.

This impressive facility features new classrooms and student housing, laboratory space, instructor and administration offices, computer labs with Internet access, library space and a convenient downtown location.

This project is the result of cooperation on the part of the Department of Education, Culture and Employment, the Department of Public Works and Services, the NWT Housing Corporation and Aurora College. I would like to thank the representatives of those agencies whose hard work brought this project to a successful conclusion.

I would also like to mention the northern companies and people who made the new campus building a reality. Architects Gino Pin and Wayne Guy designed the facility while construction was skillfully carried out by Clark Builders and PCL Constructors Northern Inc.

The new campus is an illustration of this government's commitment to ensuring northern students are able to carry out their studies in the best facilities we can provide. This bright, spacious and modern campus will serve the students of Aurora College for many years to come. Mahsi cho.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 80-13(5): Aurora College - Yellowknife Campus

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Member's Statement 338-13(5): Tribute To Elaine Dierk

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, In line with Minister Thompson 's recognition of long-term employees I would like to take a moment to pay tribute and say thank you to another long-term government employee and more particularly a Legislative Assembly employee who is leaving the north for the warmer climate of British Columbia. Elaine Dierk started work with the Government of the Northwest Territories as a secretary in Fort Smith in 1966. She moved to Yellowknife in 1971 and began working with the Department of Organization and Planning.

In her career with the government, Elaine also worked with the Departments of Industry and Development, Education and the Executive. For the last 17 years she has worked for the Legislative Assembly, most recently as the administration officer. Elaine had at one time held the Chamber's supervisor's position and travelled when the circus of the Legislative Assembly went on the road. She has some very interesting stories to tell about those times, Mr. Speaker, but I understand she is saving them for the book.

Elaine officially retires on February 27th and I would ask all Members to join with me in expressing our best wishes to her and her daughter Sonja and wishing her good luck in British Columbia. Mr. Speaker, I point out that Elaine is in the gallery with a number of her co-workers from the Legislative Assembly at this time.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 338-13(5): Tribute To Elaine Dierk

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Member's Statement 339-13(5): Notice Of Absence From The House

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I rise to inform the Members of the House and my riding that today will be my last day in the House. I had hoped to remain until the last day as February 27th, was supposed to be the final day. I had made prior commitments to attend the opening of the hockey arena in Hall Beach. During our Ordinary Members Caucus I made a motion to adjourn the House and return in the middle of March. It was defeated.

My reason for the motion was that I felt that we are getting frustrated with the lack of progress and many questions being asked in the House which do not affect many of the people we represent. This morning, I heard through CBC radio that the public is no longer interested in hearing anymore on the unsigned note that has been discussed. The people in my riding feel there are more important issues that we have to deal with.

Mr. Speaker, if the session was to continue beyond March 3rd, I would have considered returning but that does not make economic sense considering the high cost of my travel. Mr. Speaker, at the end of the day, I hope you will give me the opportunity to second the motion to conclude today's session. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Member's Statement 339-13(5): Notice Of Absence From The House

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Evaloarjuk . Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Member's Statement 340-13(5): Yellowknife Office Space Plan

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yesterday, during question period, I had asked Minister Antoine for some

clarification on the office space plan in Yellowknife and I made reference to a memo dated February 24th. It provides an overview of where the departments are located within the inventory of the office space in Yellowknife. Also attached to it was information on where the pockets of space are, the surplus, in other words. It also had a statement in that particular letter that the Yellowknife office space plan is intended to bring the departments together so that all staff occupies space in one particular building.

When I sought clarification on this, I got some heckling from the other side that said well, read the letter, read the letter. I had the letter in front of me, Mr. Speaker, and I reread it and reread it. Now, I used to be in the editing business and I spent many years in that. I thought, well, perhaps there is something wrong here, maybe I am missing something. Let me read it to you, Mr. Speaker.

There is a 10,000 square foot surplus of space in Lahm Ridge Tower, a building currently occupied by Education, Culture and Employment and the Department of Transportation. However, the Department of Transportation is staffed in a variety of buildings around Yellowknife and the intention within this office space plan is to bring them together in the Lahm Ridge Tower, so they can all work together. Similarly, Education, Culture and Employment have staff in a variety of locations around the community. Those will all be consolidated within the Lahm Ridge Tower.

Then, I went to the allocations of where the departments are located, and I find that the Department of Transportation has a total of 20,879 square feet in other buildings and Education has 13,414 located in different buildings. My point is, Mr. Speaker, there is a total of 34,293 square feet located in other buildings that they are going to squeeze into 10,000 square feet in the one building, in the Lahm Ridge Tower. That is the reason I was seeking clarification. I cannot figure out, I must have some difficulty reading because I cannot figure out where I am going wrong when the Members tell me to read the letter. I just do not understand that, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Member's Statement 340-13(5): Yellowknife Office Space Plan

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Henry .

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Member's Statement 341-13(5): Funding Allocated To The City Of Yellowknife

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have sat in this House for over two-years and have taken for granted that the other Members would slam the city of Yellowknife at every opportunity. In actual fact, Mr. Speaker, complaining about Yellowknife and the decisions made in Yellowknife has been one of the favourite activities in the north ever since the federal government announced that the capital would move to Yellowknife. We are used to it.

However, Mr. Speaker, I rise today with a song on my lips and joy in my heart. Why am I in such a good mood, my colleagues might ask? I am in a good mood because during question period on Tuesday, I actually listened to my honourable colleague from Rankin Inlet defend the decision to provide the City of Yellowknife with an extra $400,000 to market ...

--Applause.

so that it can take advantage of future economic opportunities for Yellowknife and for all of the Northwest Territories. When you represent a riding in Yellowknife, you get used to the status quo and the government not being able to spend at the same rate as other communities. Even the communities of Detah and Ndilo represented by my friend, Mr. Erasmus , and Rae-Edzo, represented by my friend, Mr. Rabesca , are not capital funded the same as other communities in the north because of their unfortunate close proximity to Yellowknife.

I can stand and quote from the ten-year capital report, I could use numbers and percentages to prove my point, but I would probably bore you all to tears. I could say that I do not understand why my colleagues Mr. O'Brien and Mr. Picco were complaining when I look at the level of funding in the communities in their ridings. However, Mr. Speaker, I do understand they have to ask their questions and represent their constituents and get in the occasional round of the north's favourite game, complaining about Yellowknife.

Now, Mr. Speaker, I would again like to remind my colleagues that Yellowknife has taken more of its fair share of the cuts and will be impacted negatively more by division than any other community in the Western Territory. The diamond mines and the $400,000 will help the city market and take advantage of that opportunity. Do not begrudge us a small piece of the pie.

To my honourable colleague, Mr. Todd , thank you for coming to your senses, thank you for realizing that the Northwest Territories includes Yellowknife and thank you for defending my city's right to a prosperous economic future. Finally, Mr. Speaker, I say, good government, good government.

--Applause.

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Member's Statement 341-13(5): Funding Allocated To The City Of Yellowknife

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Member's Statement 342-13(5): International Women's Day

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, on March 8th, women in Iqaluit will be getting together to celebrate International Women's Day. Mr. Speaker, International Women's Day will have as their focus the theme of women honouring women. The afternoon of March 8th will feature guest speakers and an opportunity for Iqaluit women to get together to talk about common concerns.

Mr. Speaker, all proceeds will be donated to the Qimaavik Women's Shelter and I would like to thank the organizers, Eliza Kingdon, Wende Halonen, Marie Fortier and Ellen Bennett. I would also like to thank the sponsors, DJ Sensations, Arctic Creations, the Bank of Montreal and the Frobisher Inn, for hosting this important event. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause.

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Member's Statement 342-13(5): International Women's Day

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. O'Brien .

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Member's Statement 343-13(5): Funding Allocated To The City Of Yellowknife

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will forego my prepared text and respond to Mr. Henry 's earlier statement. Mr. Speaker, just for the record, when myself, Mr. Picco and I believe, Mr. Krutko , spoke of the $400,000 that was allocated or donated to the city of Yellowknife, I think we made it clear that we were not complaining about the donation, we were questioning how the smaller communities could also access that type of money.

The other issue which was brought up was the fact that we were asking what process was used, where did the money come from, who authorized it and where does it sit in the budget. I think that is the issue, the process. That is what we were talking about. We certainly were not complaining about Yellowknife getting $400,000. Thank you.

--Applause.

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Member's Statement 343-13(5): Funding Allocated To The City Of Yellowknife

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Barnabas .

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Member's Statement 344-13(5): Peary Caribou Conference

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There is a conference going on in Yellowknife over the next few days to discuss the plight of the Peary caribou. Representatives from the federal government, the territorial government, the Nunavut Wildlife Management Board, the Inuvialuit and Impact Hunters and Trappers Association, are meeting to share experiences and knowledge on the conservation of the Peary caribou. If we lose the Peary caribou in the north and the only ones left are the breeding ones in the south, I am worried that reintroducing them to the high Arctic at a later date, would not work and would require a high degree of support to make sure the caribou survive.

Mr. Speaker, if we are going to have to feed them when they are reintroduced to the Arctic, why can we not do it now? The people of the Arctic Islands, have very few employment opportunities. In my mind, it makes more sense to bring food to the caribou rather than bring the caribou to the food. We can provide employment in feeding the caribou.

Mr. Speaker, Peary caribou living in Calgary would create employment and economic development through tourism. I would like to strongly urge the government to also try and save the Peary caribou in the wild so that Peary caribou stay wild so that if they ever do reintroduce Peary caribou from the south, there would be at least Peary caribou around to them how to forage for food. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause.

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Member's Statement 344-13(5): Peary Caribou Conference

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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Member's Statement 345-13(5): Housing For Low-income Residents

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I was very pleased to hear the Minister of Housing's Minister's statement on February 23, 1998. It is always good to hear that our lower income earners will not have to pay the mandated 30 percent of their income. This a very high rate for residents and can be a deterrent to find employment.

With this mind, I will ask the Minister if he would consider lowering the rent scale for the entire NWT from the high of 30 percent of income to the lowest level on the rent scale. By doing this, it will make all tenants equal and fair across the board. Our lower income earners across the north need incentives for wanting to go back to work and this may be a good way of doing that. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .

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Member's Statement 346-13(5): Passing Of Frank Betsina

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to speak about the passing of Frank Betsina, a respected grand counsellor of the Yellowknives Dene First Nation. Mr. Speaker, yesterday I attended Mr. Betsina's funeral and I have to say, it was one of the largest funerals I have ever attended. The Catholic Church was filled to overflowing and some of the people had to stand outside during the whole service. Mr. Speaker, I had the privilege of serving for one term on the Yellowknives Dene First Nation Council with Mr. Betsina and I considered him a friend and respected his advice.

The passing of Frank also marks the passing of part of the Yellowknives Dene history. I say that, Mr. Speaker, because his grandfather, Suzie Drygeese signed Treaty 8 on behalf of the Yellowknives Dene in the year 1900 in Fort Resolution.

As we all know, the Yellowknives Dene have received many rights from the signing of that treaty, including the right to tax exemption and that right, which has still not been honoured by any level of government. Mr. Betsina followed in his grandfather's footsteps of service. He served three terms on the Yellowknives Dene Band Council and this legacy of service has also been passed on. Frank's son Ernest is currently serving his second term on council. Mr. Betsina was born on Latham Island 59 years ago. His parents were Alizette and Narcisse Betsina.

He is survived by wife Murial as well as by two daughters, five sons and several grandchildren. Frank went to residential school for a time and finished his education at St. Pat's in Yellowknife. As a teenager, he started working for the local power company and continued working for the power company in its various forms for the past 41 years.

Yesterday, as a tribute to his long service, his co-workers brought Frank for one last ride through the city in the large truck that he used to drive. Mr. Speaker, Mr. Betsina was a good example for his family and the community in general. Council members have expressed respect for thoughtful contributions to council discussions and fittingly, council held a celebration to his life last night in a new building in Ndilo that was dedicated to his father this past fall. He will be missed by family, friends, fellow council members and neighbours. I am sure all Members of this House join me in offering condolences to the Betsina family and all the best in the future. Thank you.

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Member's Statement 346-13(5): Passing Of Frank Betsina

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus . Members' statements. Mr. Morin .

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Member's Statement 347-13(5): Support For Northern Hunters And Trappers

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1181

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to say that the Northwest Territories managed to get on the front page of the Globe and Mail. However, as normal, the Northwest Territories on the front page of the Globe and Mail, I believe it was yesterday's issue, Mr. Speaker, is not about what the Northwest Territories is about, it is about Greenpeace and animal rights movement's views of the Northwest Territories on how we harvest our wildlife.

For thousands and thousands of years, Mr. Speaker, the people I represent had harvested wildlife in the Northwest Territories and they did it properly and with the greatest of respect. Our fur industry in the Northwest Territories is working hard to come back. I have said many times before in this House how good Fort Resolution is doing, one of my communities, since we put in a revolving fur fund. My community came from 20 active trappers to more than 80. We are the highest fur producers in the Northwest Territories with the best quality of fur, and I am proud to say.

Also in conjunction with that, we see very clear that our social services rolls fell down from close to 300,000 a year being put into my community, down to about 60,000 or 70,000. This is a positive thing. We have all lived through Greenpeace and their meddling in Aboriginal Affairs before. We have all buried our young people because of Greenpeace's meddling in our business in the Northwest Territories. We have very little respect for these tree huggers from southern Canada who do not understand the reality of living in the Northwest Territories.

They do not understand the reality of our young people in the Northwest Territories who go out and harvest to generate some dollars for the people in their community and for their family. When Greenpeace was successful in killing the sealing industry, our suicide rates doubled and tripled in some of our communities, that is what they did. They are so interested in protecting animals. They have no thinking at all for the aboriginal people of the Northwest Territories. Mr. Speaker, our government is one of the best governments in Canada and in the world in managing our resources, we know how to manage it.

We do not need someone to tell us how to do that.

--Applause

With that, I would just like to hope all my wolf hunters in Lutselk'e the best of luck, so they can bring some dollars into their communities.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

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Page 1181

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to welcome to the gallery a well-known Iqaluit business person and secretary treasurer of NTI, Natsie Kalno. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Question 462-13(5): Education Funding In The Baffin Region

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1181

Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yesterday I made a Member's statement and tabled two documents from the Baffin Divisional Board of Education. They wanted more funding to be used for teachers in the communities. The other document was from Pond Inlet district education authority about their concerns and the other document was to do with signatures. I know some Members have concerns dealing with education in the Northwest Territories. Can the Minister tell me if he would be able to provide me with answers about a petition that was coming from the Pond Inlet education authority? Thank you. (Translation ends)

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, divisional education councils and district education authorities across the territories have expressed concern to me about the level of funding to deliver programs. There is no question in the Northwest Territories right now that we have a difficult situation with probably the highest pupil/teacher ratio in Canada. As all Members in this House know, we have no new sources of revenue and therefore, we do not see any way in which to increase funding for councils to deliver their programs. One spot of good news in this year's budget, Mr.

Speaker, is that we have found a way to include enough money in the budget for schools, so that the pupil/teacher ratio will not be expected to rise next year. We will be able to carry on with approximately the same pupil/teacher ratio as before. The Member asked if I will be able to respond to the documents he tabled in the House, I certainly will have a look at those and respond directly to the Member. At this point, we do not have any extra money to put into the budget. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister tell me if he would be able to respond to the divisional board of education's request? Thank you. (Translation ends)

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am always prepared to respond to requests from divisional education councils and will be happy to do so, if that appears to be the course of action I should follow after reviewing the documents that have been tabled. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister provide me with a date as to when he will have this looked into? Thank you. (Translation ends)

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Certainly, I would have a response ready within the next two weeks. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1182

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment in relation to his statement today on the signing of the labour market development agreement. I noticed on page two he makes reference to the communities where services will be available. I was wondering if he could speak to the issue of where Fort Smith fits into the mix? Does it have an HRDC office? However, there is no reference to that office or services in there. Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Member is right. Fort Smith was not specifically mentioned in my statement but neither was Norman Wells nor Igloolik. There are a number of communities in the north in which we will make sure the services are provided. The statement referred to Canada/NWT centres whereby the centres will be moved together to make sure that there is one-stop shopping. I suspect it will take some time to accomplish those moves in all communities, but there is no question services will be available in Fort Smith. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Is the Minister saying then, the April 1st deadline that this transfer will take place, is not applicable in Fort Smith? My understanding was, in fact, they are moving to co-locate with the ECE office and we are going to be delivering those kind of services tied into this particular statement. Could the Minister clarify this?

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am not exactly certain of the dates for each of the communities when co-location will take place. It is not so much a co-location as the provision of a joint presence because we will be taking over the functions of part of the Employment Insurance Act. It will be Canada and the NWT offices. We will take over administration programs on April 1st, although it will take some time for the transition. Again, I cannot speak to the exact date for when offices will be moved together as part of the plan is to develop a transition team to ensure that the transition is done as smoothly as possible. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Minister be able to provide me with the information of where Fort Smith fits into the time frame in this transition plan, so I can be prepared to respond to questions that may arise in my community about this significant event? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Certainly.

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Question 464-13(5): Southern Perception Of Northern Hunting

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1182

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Premier just spoke very eloquently about an

article in the Globe and Mail from yesterday. My question will be for the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Kakfwi about that story in the Globe and Mail. The headline on that was, snowmobile hunt claims hundreds of wolves. Could the Minister explain this a little further to us? I understand that some of these hunters are not from the Northwest Territories. Could he explain to us what some of the difficulties are in this whole area? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There is always a concern when southern media starts to raise concerns about the way northern people manage their wildlife. The fact is, in the south, wildlife has all but become extinct. When they do show their pretty little heads, they are considered pests. In the north we have the only vibrant wildlife population left in Canada and I think we are managing it quite well without the criticism of southern people. The story which appeared in the Globe and Mail yesterday, is a result of some anomalies in the movement of Caribou.

What has happened in the area which has been identified between Great Slave Lake and Baker Lake, two large caribou herds have converged in that area, the Beverly herd and the Bathurst herd, totalling more than 700,000 animals. With that comes two large wolf populations that follow each of those herds, as well as the resident wolf population from that area. You have a very high concentration of caribou and that brings, with it, a very healthy and high density of wolves. The hunters are from Saskatchewan, they are aboriginal, Dene hunters who have a right to harvest and hunt in the Northwest Territories.

They have done so for 1000 of years. We do not condone and find totally unacceptable the running down and harassment of wildlife using skidoos. Hunting with the use of skidoos is allowed in the territories. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. One of the concerns is the running down of wolf packs by skidoo. I understand we do not have any regulations in that regard where there are regulations elsewhere. Some years ago with the sports hunting of polar bear, it became illegal to use skidoos. Can we look at a similar type of situation, here in the territories, where perhaps outside non-resident individuals are restricted from using skidoos on a massive basis to kill wolves? Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The normal mode of transportation of travel for aboriginal hunters and trappers, all northern hunters and trappers use snowmobiles in the winter. In the tundra and barren lands, it is the only means of transportation. At this time, we do not have any thoughts of disallowing people to use snowmobiles in pursuing, hunting and trapping as an occupation. We have no plans to outlaw the use of snowmobiles in the occupations of hunting and trapping. Thank you.

--Applause

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you. Some of the hunters are from northern Saskatchewan and the Minister mentioned they do have a legal right to hunt within the territories. Has this been done because of land claim recognition or is it treaty rights? Could the Minister explain that for us please? Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The most basic legally recognized aboriginal right since the late 60s, early 70s is the right to hunt and trap, the right to harvest wildlife. In the case of the people from the provinces who have traditionally hunted and trapped in the Northwest Territories, this government has always recognized and respected their right to continue to hunt and trap, in their traditional lands, regardless of whether they are residents of the Northwest Territories or not. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Does that mean that our aboriginal hunters from the Northwest Territories also have the right to hunt within the northern parts of the provinces should caribou herds move into those particular areas?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, as I understand it, legally, aboriginal people, particularly treaty people, have the right to hunt anywhere in Canada on Crown lands. The practice is, if you have traditionally hunted and trapped in certain areas, then that has been supported and the practice continues.

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Question 465-13(5): Methods Of Subsistence Harvesting

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is also directed to the Minister of Wildlife , Mr. Kakfwi . Mr. Speaker, just for clarification, I will ask the Minister a question about the legality of hunting polar bear with skidoos. I am aware, Mr. Speaker, and I know my constituents are aware of, it is against the law to use skidoos for sport hunting, but we are not aware that it is against the law to use skidoos for subsistence hunting of polar bear. Mr. Speaker, as a Member who spent a few years hunting polar bear and wolves, I know there is no such thing as running down any of those animals.

You have to work for it. In the end, it might look like a short run but you are going to work before you reach the end. Therefore,

I will be directing my question to the Minister of Resources . Is it legal for aboriginals in my communities to subsistence hunt polar bears with skidoos?

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Samuel Gargan

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, as long as the species that are being harvested are not endangered and there is agreement for allowable harvest by the appropriate wildlife boards. Aboriginal people do not have any limits on the wildlife they can harvest in order to sustain themselves. Skidoos and rifles are acceptable means used in the harvest for sustainable hunts. Thank you.

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Question 466-13(5): Responding To Anti-harvesting Messages

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, following up on the line of questioning this morning on the

article in the Globe and Mail. That type of publicity is damning to our hunters. Going back to 1982, 1983, 1984 when Greenpeace was on their anti-seal harvesting thing, it caused our fur prices to drop. Will RWED be looking at countering this type of bad publicity for our hunters and trappers? Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. During one discussion I had yesterday with a journalist, I said, if I dropped 100 wolves in Toronto tonight, by tomorrow morning they would all be killed because they would no longer be seen as beautiful wild animals. They would be seen as dangerous pests that must be destroyed because of public concern. There is a double standard that happens every time issues like this gets out of control. I consider the Globe and Mail issue to be incredibly biased. The fact is, there are 700,000 caribou in that area.

There is in mainland Northwest Territories, not including the Arctic Islands, not including the wolf population within the treeline, between 9,000 and 10,000 wolves. The healthier the caribou herds are, and we have very healthy caribou herds, the population of wolves will always be healthy. The better we manage our caribou, the more wolves there will be. That is the way these things should be portrayed. The number of wolves that are harvested every year is about between 900 and 1,200 commercially sold to auctions down south.

The fact is, there are thousands and thousands of people down south wearing leather belts, shoes, and coats. The only difference is, we do not cut the fur off. That is the only difference. People have a very hypocritical approach to issues like this. When they see fur, they are very quick to rise and condemn people who wear fur. They do not realize that the leather coats, leather belts and leather shoes they are wearing are the same thing as the skin of animals with the fur cut off. Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I think we have to get pro-active in this area. Last year, Mr. Kakfwi 's department exhibited sealskin fashionable parkas and jackets which were quite nice, showing what our products can do. I also know, Mr. Speaker, in Iqaluit, Arctic Creations, a store owned by Monica Ell, is selling handiworks of sealskin and other northern products. Will the Minister for RWED be officially responding on this matter to the Globe and Mail and some type of promotional activity, to indeed show that hunting is not cruel? It is a way of life and puts money in the hands of our hunters and our people. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Our resources are limited. We do have an ongoing dialogue with the Canadian government and other provinces, people who are interested and supportive of the fur industry to continue to make sure that people are aware of the enormous implications, particularly to northern people, aboriginal people, who do not have the option to be vegetarians, farmers or the option to look for jobs in other industries. There is a real issue here that people's traditional economies must be respected.

You can take for granted the majority of southern people are ignorant of realities of life in the Northwest Territories and in the Arctic. There is a real need to educate, to have some ongoing dialogues and to continue to fight the animal rights activists and over-zealous enthusiasts who have very little information and an overabundance of self-righteousness. Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to see the Minister and this government make a statement and provide the facts to the Globe and Mail and any of the media in the southern audience who would listen. Can I have a commitment from the Minister and this government that indeed we will do that? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I did speak with the writer from the Globe and Mail. After she wrote the article, she called up to ask me what I thought of the

article and did I have a response? I thought it was a bit biased and unfair. If she had some commitment to try and keep a balanced approach, she would have called before the

article went to print. We are in the mode of some damage control and I did not appreciate that very well and I told her in very blunt terms yesterday. There were a great many things said, all very blunt but civil. I do not know if she will print it since she was at the receiving end of most of the things that I had to say yesterday about this issue, but I do hope she recovers and prints it the way I told her because it would be a balanced article. It would be a full

article that would provide an insight into the north and the reality here in the Northwest Territories, and get people to realize the hypocrisy with which they approach many of these issues from their southern point of view. Thank you.

--Applause

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Question 467-13(5): Amendment To The Workers' Compensation Act

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are for the Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board. Mr. Speaker, under the Workers' Compensation Plan, employees give up their right to sue their employers. In return, they get a no-fault compensation plan. This means an employee does not have to sue his employer and prove negligence in order to receive compensation when they are hurt on the job. Unfortunately, this is the only jurisdiction in Canada that allows the compensation board to sue the worker. Mr. Speaker, this is not the intention of Workers' Compensation.

The Yellowknife MLAs have spoken to the Minister responsible for this area several times. Recently Mr. Henry asked the Minister if he would look at the possibility of an amendment to rectify this unbalanced situation. Could the Minister inform the House on what his checking up has revealed? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to report this morning that we could proceed, however, that is not the case. I did have a discussion yesterday with the president of the WCB, Mr. Gerry Meier. I asked him to review the request that has been made by my colleagues, Mr. Henry and Mr. Erasmus to see if there is any way we can make these appropriate changes. I know in previous reviews of the WCB that there has been a recommendation on a number of occasions. I should be able to report to my colleague before the House closes Monday or Tuesday, what course of action, if any, we can take. Thank you.

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Question 468-13(5): Apportioning Leasing Opportunities

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to Honourable Jim Antoine , Minister of Public Works . Mr. Speaker, this government over the last few years has indicated consistently if they have large contracts, they would make every effort to break down those contracts into portions whereby smaller businesses could participate in the tendering process. The government has indicated they have a need for 35,000 square feet of office space in the city. Would the Minister consider assuring the House that he will make every effort to assure this need, is broken down to allow for all people with office facilities to take

part in the contract process? Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Yellowknife office plan is something that this department is working on at the present time. It is a dynamic process and it is ever changing under requests and demand, but I am told that within the next little while, maybe even three weeks, things will start to gel and come together in this department. The process in trying to obtain office space would be to go through a tendering process through requests for proposals and this way, anybody who has office space in Yellowknife will have the opportunity to put in their proposal. Thank you.

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the information I have been given of the ten major leaseholders in this city is that, almost all of them, live down south, the owners of those lease facilities. Therefore, there is no benefit to northerners. These people might own the buildings but they actually live down south. That is part of my point, Mr. Speaker, is to ensure that people who live in the north benefit from contracts from this government. The Minister will assure that this is taken into consideration? Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is true that the majority of the owners may have originally started in Yellowknife, eventually ends up down south. As we go through this office plan, we will take into consideration northern participation in providing these services. We will ensure that we look closely into what the honourable Member is directing here today. Thank you.

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Question 469-13(5): Preservation Of The Peary Caribou

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as per my Member's statement, I would like to ask the Minister of RWED if he was approached on the issue of Peary caribou by the people of the high Arctic. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, sorry, I did not catch the last part of the Member's question. Thank you.

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Your first question Mr. Barnabas .

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Yes, for clarification, have there been any concerns from the residents of the high Arctic on the issue of salvaging the Peary caribou? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Of course there has been an ongoing concern by the Inuit in the communities of the High Arctic about the future of the Peary caribou herd. As you know, as a result of some rather severe winters and unusual winter conditions, the Peary caribou population has dropped dramatically in the last few years. In the next few days, I hope to see a workshop in Yellowknife with a number of different parties to address the issue of what should be done and who should be taking the lead and the responsibility for addressing the concern of the future of the Peary caribou herd. Thank you.

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Question 469-13(5): Preservation Of The Peary Caribou

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1186

Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, is the Department of Renewable Resources in favour of this proposal to move the Peary caribou from high Arctic to Calgary? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 469-13(5): Preservation Of The Peary Caribou

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1186

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi .

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Question 469-13(5): Preservation Of The Peary Caribou

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1186

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, this was the recommended course of action that we had two years ago. We could not do it as a joint effort with the federal government at that time because of weather. Last fall, again the effort was to be made to carry out this plan. The Inuit communities and leadership asked if we could take the time to come up with a more acceptable option in addressing the issue. I agreed, while there is a real need to do something, I felt it was far better to lean to allowing the first users, people who depend on the caribou to develop a plan of action that would be acceptable to them, supported, managed and executed by them. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1186

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. O'Brien .

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Question 470-13(5): Federal Budget Reference To Division

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1186

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister responsible for Division, Mr. Todd . In watching the debate last night regarding the budget on Northbeat, Mr. Todd indicated he felt fairly confident that the money was in the federal budget for division and hopefully for the decentralized model, including the transition cost. I realize the Commissioner has not provided his plan yet, but can the Minister provide at least a small level of comfort to the people Arviat and Baker Lake as to when some of the jobs will be moved out to the smaller communities. Thank you.

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Question 470-13(5): Federal Budget Reference To Division

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1186

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for the Division Secretariat, Mr. Todd .

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Question 470-13(5): Federal Budget Reference To Division

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1186

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I did say in my comments to the federal budget, I felt that no matter how small, the fact that there was some specifics in the fine print to the north, I think that was a credit to our MPs and of course, to the active work of this Legislature. One of the important components of the fine print, of course, was that the federal government was committed clearly to the fiscal resources necessary in division and the implementing costs attached to it. That is true.

On the job aspect of the decentralization, as I said to my colleague on a number of occasions and I will say again, I hope he can get clarity on it. I did have a discussion with Mr. Anawak earlier yesterday. I am optimistic that his plan for implementation will be with us very shortly and we will be able to move, I would hope, and support, his initiative quickly to move people into the decentralized communities. At the same time, we have to make sure the facilities are there, the housing, et cetera. I was in Arviat as late as two and a half weeks ago and their houses looked well underway there.

My guess would be that if they start those housing units in the spring, they could be finished by late August or September and hopefully, by that time we will be able to work in conjunction with the Interim Commissioner to move some people into those communities. We certainly need the facilities like housing and office facilities to be able to move people, but I am optimistic.

Maybe that is just my personal opinion, but in this game, you have to be optimistic and I am optimistic we can move, but it will be subject, to some extent, to the infrastructure completion and of course, the implementation plan that the Interim Commissioner is going to provide to all three parties sometime in March. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1186

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. O'Brien .

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Supplementary To Question 470-13(5): Federal Budget Reference To Division

Question 470-13(5): Federal Budget Reference To Division

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1187

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I realize the fact that the infrastructure is not fully in place yet in most of the communities, and as a result that will hamper the transfer of jobs. Can the Minister tell me whether or not there is any change in the

schedule or if there are any plans to try and speed up the construction of the various office space and housing units in order to facilitate this transfer? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Todd .

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Question 470-13(5): Federal Budget Reference To Division

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1187

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I cannot speak for the other players, but certainly in my one-on-one discussions with the different players, there is a desire to try to move reasonably quickly to get the infrastructure in place. There is a desire to move as quickly as they can on some of the office facilities. The idea which was brought forward by my honourable colleague about finding temporary office space, I am sure with a pragmatic approach to this decentralization, we can accommodate that. The main thing right now is housing.

I would suggest that once the housing is completed, I would think it would be in everybody's interests, the Interim Commissioner's, our own, et cetera, to give him and his office as much support as possible to get moving on this decentralization. My feeling is, and it is partly personal and partly professional, it really all depends on the completion of the housing units. I think offices are a secondary thing, we could probably find some temporary accommodation if there is a desire to do it.

Again, that will be subject to the Interim Commissioner and we are prepared to provide as much support to him as we can to move on these issues. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. O'Brien .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1187

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, would it be fair to assume the parties will not wait until all the construction is finished, that they can move on some of these transfers as housing and office space becomes available, rather than wait for the total completion of all the units?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Todd

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Question 470-13(5): Federal Budget Reference To Division

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1187

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Certainly, Mr. Speaker, I would hope so. I would hope that in the Interim Commissioner's pre-implementation plan, it is there. It is a possibility, but I caution my colleague by saying that we have a limited involvement on the infrastructure side and our desire is to move forward, provide support.

I would think that the decentralization of the new government would be a phased-in approach and the sooner facilities are available, I would hope that there would be a staged plan which shows where people can move and when they can move, based upon the final completion of the infrastructure that the Nunavut Construction Company has embarked upon in Arviat and other communities across the Nunavut area. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1187

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Rabesca .

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Question 471-13(5): Lowering The NWT Rent Scale

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1187

James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In reference to my Member's statement this morning, Mr. Speaker, I would ask if the Minister of the NWT Housing Corporation is considering lowering the rent scale for the entire NWT from 30 percent of income to the lowest level of rent scale referred to in my Member's statement this morning. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 471-13(5): Lowering The NWT Rent Scale

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1187

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of the NWT Housing Corporation, Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Question 471-13(5): Lowering The NWT Rent Scale

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1187

Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The rent scale moratorium that we introduced last year and have made the decision to continue over this coming year, will have the effect of the rent scale remaining the same. We have decided to do some more work on the research side because we have identified areas where we need to find more information. The result will be that the two new governments, both the east and the west, will have to grapple with the issue of the rent scale. Thank you.

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Question 471-13(5): Lowering The NWT Rent Scale

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1187

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Henry .

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Question 472-13(5): Aboriginal Teachers In The Nwt

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1187

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Education , Mr. Dent . In 1968, the aboriginal Teacher Education Program began in Yellowknife, it was the first one in North America. In 1961, the Honourable Stephen Kakfwi was the Minister of Education . The Minister suggested that a goal of 50 percent aboriginal teachers by the year 2000 would be an admirable position and stance to take. My question to the present Minister of Education , Mr. Dent is, what position and how much is the department on target to achieve this 50 percent of aboriginal teachers in the classroom? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 472-13(5): Aboriginal Teachers In The Nwt

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1187

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Question 472-13(5): Aboriginal Teachers In The Nwt

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1187

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, since 1969, there has been 363 graduates of the Teacher Education Program in the Northwest Territories who have received a teaching diploma. Ninety-three of those graduates have gone on to receive a bachelor's degree. There are two who have completed a Masters of Education degree. The program has demonstrated a significant amount of success. The Member has asked how close we are to achieving the 50

percent goal that was announced for the year 2000. There are a number of boards which are coming relatively close to that goal in terms of the number of teachers right now. Those boards in the Nunavut region tend to be much closer. The boards in the western region are not as close. In fact, we expect with reprofiling the Teacher Education Program and reinvesting in it over the course of the next few years, we are going to set a new goal of 2003 to achieve the original target that was set for the year 2000. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1188

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Henry .

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Question 472-13(5): Aboriginal Teachers In The Nwt

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1188

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker and thank you, Mr. Minister, for that concise information. Does the Minister have any breakdown? He mentioned Nunavut had a much better success rate. Does he have any numbers and if not, can he provide those numbers to the House? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 472-13(5): Aboriginal Teachers In The Nwt

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1188

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Dent .

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Question 472-13(5): Aboriginal Teachers In The Nwt

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1188

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do have numbers that are available by each of the divisional education councils in the territories. For instance, we know there are 62 full-time aboriginal teachers in the Baffin, two part-time, six on leave and four are with the board. It would take some time for me to list off the individual boards. It would probably be best for me to prepare a letter to the Member and forward the details to him. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 472-13(5): Aboriginal Teachers In The Nwt

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1188

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Item 7, written questions. Item 8, returns to written questions. Item 9, replies to opening address. Item 10, petitions. Item 11, reports of standing and special committees. Item 12, reports of committees on the review of bills. Item 13, tabling of documents. Item 14, notices of motion. Mr. Picco .

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Motion 15-13(5): Reallocation Of Departmental Surpluses

Item 14: Notices Of Motion

Page 1188

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I give notice that on Monday, March 2, 1998, I will move the following motion.

Now therefore I move, seconded by the honourable Member for High Arctic , this House recommends that the Cabinet reallocate any departmental surpluses that may exist after fiscal year-end 1997-98 to the Departments of Education, Culture and Employment, Health and Social Services and further that the Standing Committee on Social Programs be consulted and fully involved in discussions regarding the redeployment of surplus funds to educational, health and social service initiatives. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Motion 15-13(5): Reallocation Of Departmental Surpluses

Item 14: Notices Of Motion

Page 1188

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Notices of motion. Mr. Ningark .

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Motion 16-13(5): Extended Adjournment

Item 14: Notices Of Motion

Page 1188

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I give notice that on Monday, March 2, 1998, I will move the following motion.

I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Thebacha , that notwithstanding Rule 4, that when this House adjourns on Tuesday, March 3, 1998, it will be adjourned until Wednesday, May 20, 1998; and further, anytime prior to May 20, 1998, if the Speaker is satisfied after consultation with the Executive Council and Members of the Legislative Assembly, that the public requires the House should meet at an earlier time during the adjournment, the Speaker may give notice and thereupon the House shall meet at the time stated, in such notice and shall transact its business as it has been duly adjourned to that time. Thank you.

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Motion 16-13(5): Extended Adjournment

Item 14: Notices Of Motion

Page 1188

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Notices of motion. Item 15, notices of motion for first reading of bills. Item 16, motions. Motion 13-13(5), Mr. Erasmus .

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Motion 13-13(5): Resolution Of Pay Equity Issue In The Nwt

Item 16: Motions

Page 1188

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This motion is on the resolution of the pay equity issue in the Northwest Territories:

WHEREAS there is a complaint outstanding for ten years that the rates of pay in the collective agreement that were negotiated by the Government of the Northwest Territories and the Union of Northern Workers remunerate male and female employees for performing work of equal value;

AND

WHEREAS delays in resolving the pay equity complaint are unfair to affected employees who have been denied the right to be paid the same as other employees who are doing work of equal value;

AND

WHEREAS delays in resolving the pay equity complaint are unfair to the interests of other groups as long as this long outstanding complaint creates uncertainty for those who rely on government services and programs for their social and economic well being;

AND

WHEREAS delays in resolving the pay equity complaint create uncertainty in the clear division of assets and liabilities in the creation of two new territories on April 1, 1999;

AND

WHEREAS the Government of the Northwest Territories and the Union of Northern Workers have both indicated a desire to resolve the pay equity complaint through negotiati