Debates of Feb. 27th, 2002

This is page numbers 203 - 236 of the Hansard for the 14th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was communities .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Lead Minister To Address The Issue Of Homelessness

Fas/fae Initiative

New Swimming Pool For Fort Providence

Replacement Of Inuvik's Aurora Campus Student Residence

Fort Mcpherson Water And Sewage Services

Pre-employment Training Program For Disabled Persons

Scholastic Achievement Levels In Small Communities

Respect And Understanding For Divergent Opinions

Infrastructure Funding For Small Communities

Working In The Trenches Community Justice Workers Conference

Acknowledgement Of Legislative Assembly Pages

Schools North Apprenticeship Program

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Social Passing Policy

Community Sport And Recreation Fund

Fort Providence Swimming Pool

High Gasoline Prices In Yellowknife

Water And Sewer Subsidy Program

Students North Apprenticeship Program

Aurora College Residence Requirements

Fas/fae Symposium Participants

Northwest Territories High School Graduation Requirements

Harmonization Of Social Housing And Income Support

Beverage Container Recycling Legislation

High Cost Of Propane

Preparation For Oil And Gas Development

High School Graduation Requirements

School Grade Promotion Policy

Kakisa Traditional Knowledge Study

Proposed Fas/fae Symposium

Tabled Document 12-14(5): GNWT Public Accounts, 2000-2001

Bill 8:

An Act To Amend The Nursing Profession Act And The Pharmacy Act

Bill 5:

An Act To Amend The Adoption Act And The Family Law Act

Bill 6:

An Act To Amend The Financial Administration Act

Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 21: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 23: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Roger Allen , Honourable Jim Antoine , Mr. Bell , Mr. Braden , Mr. Delorey , Mr. Dent , Mrs. Groenewegen , Honourable Joe Handley , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Lafferty , Ms. Lee , Mr. McLeod , Honourable Michael Miltenberger , Mr. Nitah , Honourable Jake Ootes , Mr. Roland , Honourable Vince Steen , Honourable Tony Whitford .

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Nitah . Good afternoon, colleagues. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Premier , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Minister's Statement 18-14(5): Lead Minister To Address The Issue Of Homelessness

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yesterday I committed to reviewing a recommendation from this Legislature that the homelessness file be assigned to a Minister. Given the importance which this government attaches to this issue and to ensuring that our residents have access to adequate housing, Cabinet considered the recommendation when it met this morning.

In determining the most effective response, we were guided by a number of considerations. First, to be timely and effective, the designated Minister will need to be able to call upon an already established administration which can provide resources and support. Second, both the Minister and administration should already have the necessary background, expertise and networks in housing and related matters. Third, for the Northwest Territories' purposes we need a lead Minister with a mandate to both coordinate and advance the work and objectives of other Ministers and departments with responsibilities related to addressing homelessness.

Finally, we wanted to act on this proposal taking into account that it will be helpful for implementing the recommendations of the Social Agenda Working Group which will be reporting on how we can better deliver social programs and services in the next few weeks.

Mr. Speaker, with these considerations in mind, Cabinet has agreed that Housing Minister Roger Allen will be designated as the lead Minister responsible for addressing this important issue, and that the Housing Corporation will provide administrative backup for the Minister.

Minister Allen will give a brief report to the House before the budget session concludes on how he, his Cabinet colleagues and their departments will collaborate on addressing the homelessness issue. Thank you.

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Minister's Statement 18-14(5): Lead Minister To Address The Issue Of Homelessness

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Premier . Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Minister responsible for Health and Social Services , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Minister's Statement 19-14(5): Fas/fae Initiative

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we are concerned about mothers who drink during pregnancy and children with FAS/FAE. Fetal alcohol syndrome and effect in the NWT remains a serious concern and a priority of this government to address. FAS and FAE are preventable, but if not prevented the consequences are life-long.

Early intervention is crucial and early screening and diagnosis are key protective factors for those affected. In addition to increasing public awareness, it is critical that we have workers trained to conduct effective screening.

I am pleased to be able to announce a major initiative to enhance the skills of our front-line health workers that will take place on March 15th to 18th, 2002. On March 16th the Department of Health and Social Services will be hosting a FAS symposium in Yellowknife on behalf of the Prairie Northern Pacific FAS Partnership. Given the importance of this issue to the people of the NWT, Premier Kakfwi, along with the Ministers responsible for social services for the four western provinces and the three territories, are planning to attend.

This symposium is an important opportunity to offer training and professional development for our health and social services professionals. Approximately 60 to 70 health and social services professionals will be trained in screening for social risk factors and screening for maternal alcohol consumption. This type of screening allows the early identification of potential risk, allowing for earlier intervention and, hopefully, reduction of damage to the unborn child.

Training will also be offered in the Nipissing district developmental screening tool. This training is part of an initiative under the early childhood development strategy to ensure that all regions will have trained professionals by the first week of April 2002.

On March 15th, Dr. Loretta Fuddy, deputy director of Health for the State of Hawaii and the founder of the Hawaii Model Home Visitation Program, and Mr. Brad Bell of the Yukon territorial government, will be providing information to front-line staff on home visitation models used in their jurisdictions. Working with children and their families within their own home is an important component of any successful program for children and families at risk. The information provided at this workshop will be invaluable to front-line staff in implementing family visitor/child development support programs in their communities.

On March 17th and 18th, 10 physicians will receive training in the preliminary diagnosis of fetal alcohol spectrum disorder. They will receive continuing education credit for this from the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada.

Preventing FAS remains a key priority for the Government of the Northwest Territories. Providing our health and social services professionals with the tools and training necessary to assist pregnant women and identify children with developmental delays is key in moving this priority forward. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 19-14(5): Fas/fae Initiative

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. McLeod .

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New Swimming Pool For Fort Providence

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, although we are still trudging through the freezing temperatures of winter, spring and summer are just around the corner and the warm months will bring to mind recreational activities, including swimming. Today I wanted to discuss the above-ground pool program in the Northwest Territories and make some comments about the swimming pool in Fort Providence and the condition it is in.

Mr. Speaker, the pool was built in 1972 in Fort Providence with a plywood shell and without any heaters in the facility. Now, 30 years later, the roof needs to be replaced. It has huge holes in it that are beyond repair. The cement floor is cracked and heaving. The styrofoam around the pool is cracking and expanding outward and the shower is still in the public view and without any hot water. When the pool is in use, it leaks about a foot of water a week.

It is at risk of collapsing and is a hazard to the public. These problems give rise to issues of security, liability, safety, health and privacy concerns, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs for funding to construct a new pool in Fort Providence.

As we all know, sports and recreation are key to developing strong communities. Sports develops leadership skills in our youth and encourages them to continue to lead in whatever activities or jobs they choose to pursue in life. Sports and recreation also helps to keep youth off the streets and out of trouble. This is unquestionably important in the North where there is a lack of activities for youth, especially in the small communities.

A new recreational facility such as the above-ground swimming pool can contribute to the overall health of the community. Entire families can enjoy what a swimming pool has to offer, be it through swimming lessons, competitive sport or leisurely activities.

These reasons, Mr. Speaker, are why the construction of an above-ground swimming pool in the Hamlet of Fort Providence should be considered. The construction of swimming pools are not considered as capital projects, yet MACA was generous enough to provide $300,000 in funding to Fort Liard's new above-ground swimming pool, completed just this fiscal year. Fort Liard is a community of 520 residents, while Fort Providence has 840 residents and we do not receive any funding.

The population difference is considerable...

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Mr. McLeod , your time for your Member's statement is over.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, I seek consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you. The honourable Member is seeking consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You may conclude your statement, Mr. McLeod .

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I mentioned before, the population difference between Fort Providence and Fort Liard is considerable. That is why I believe the Minister for MACA should consider providing a larger community like Fort Providence with funding to construct an above-ground swimming pool.

Mr. Speaker, I will be asking the Minister responsible for MACA questions regarding this issue during oral questions. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. McLeod . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Roland .

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Replacement Of Inuvik's Aurora Campus Student Residence

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I rise to speak on an issue that has been a concern for a quite a number of years in the community and it is around the Aurora campus facility in Inuvik. It has been known for many years that it needs replacement. We have gone through the idea of a regular capital project and it has been in the five-year capital plan for some time.

The facility itself is holding together, but just doing that, Mr. Speaker. In fact, it was agreed by the community to allow the campus to jump ahead and put one of our other schools behind in the capital plan to ensure that we can continue to offer programs with Aurora campus in the community. There is much demand for programs there as we are seeing the development occurring in the Beaufort Delta region.

Mr. Speaker, one of the things that occurred when the Aurora campus was being discussed was Public Works and Services put a plan together for Aurora College and this government viewed that and accepted the report, I believe, and had the campus put forward. Since that time, Mr. Speaker, it has gone a couple of ways. One is when P3s were discussed by a previous government the campus was put onto that list as one of the things that should be moved forward, but when the government then decided not to carry on with P3s and that there will not be public/private partnerships, the campus fell back onto the normal capital plan of this government.

Since then, Mr. Speaker, as it came on to the plan, the government has stated that there has not been enough funding to build both the campus and the student residence at the same time. In fact, we are going ahead now, as stated in the main estimates, with the plan to build the Aurora campus facility itself, but lacking a student residence. Now this government has done a number of things to try and address the student residence, but it is doing things, Mr.

Speaker, in a forum, as I see it, which is just prolonging the situation and increasing potential further costs by taking little side routes to try to deal with the issue. Later on during question period I will have questions for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Replacement Of Inuvik's Aurora Campus Student Residence

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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Fort Mcpherson Water And Sewage Services

Item 3: Members' Statements

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we all know that the water situation in Fort McPherson has been a problem for some time. They have now found a new water source and they are in the process of implementing that source, but it has been a rough start. There have been major breakdowns and freeze-ups, and no facilities for parking the vehicles. They are being parked outside.

Mr. Speaker, the community is very concerned that they know there is going to be an increase in the cost to deliver the water and sewage programs in the communities. There is a water and sewage subsidy program with regard to the old system that was in place, yet, Mr. Speaker, they do not see any increases in ensuring that the coverage of the cost to deliver our programs and services will be within reason and will be expanded by this government to ensure that the community can carry out its responsibilities for delivering water and sewage programs, and that there will be a subsidy in place to ensure that they can afford to do so.

Mr. Speaker, water and sewage programs are supposed to be a priority of this government, but we have seen a change in focus on how funds are being allocated to communities. In some municipalities there have been increases. In the case of the water and sewage programs, we do not see any increases in the next years for this program, but knowing the new system that the community of Fort McPherson is presently on, there will be a higher cost to operate, maintain and deliver water to the residents of Fort McPherson.

Mr. Speaker, at the appropriate time I will be asking the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs what they are doing to monitor the costs of this program. Are there going to be unforeseen expenditures in light of the problems they have faced to date? They should be coming forth with a supplementary appropriation to ensure that they will find dollars so that communities can carry out the responsibilities that they have taken on, especially for water and sewage delivery in our communities.

I would like to ask the Minister questions on this matter at the appropriate time. Thank you.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife South , Mr. Bell .

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Pre-employment Training Program For Disabled Persons

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to speak today about employment in the service industry. I know from talking to a lot of local business people, local businesses are having a very difficult time attracting and keeping prospective employees.

I suppose there are various reasons for this, some of them good, some of them bad. Certainly, to some degree, it is a good problem. There is a lot of competition. Many people are employed in the mines, for instance, and making very good wages, Mr. Speaker. On the other hand, on the flip side, housing concerns are preventing us from drawing from a larger pool of people.

However, there are some optimistic signs. There was an

article in the media today about a pre-employment training program sponsored by the HRDC. This particular program prepares people with disabilities for the workplace. Obviously, Mr. Speaker, many times likely these people had been on the income support rolls previously, and this is one way that they are able to get off those rolls. It teaches life skills, resume writing and helps to build self-esteem.

Mr. Speaker, I do not know how many of us are aware of this, but about 13 percent of the local population is disabled, and because of programs like this that the HRDC is sponsoring and the desire of these people to prepare for employment, many of them will be working and that is a great sign.

The next session for this program starts in March, Mr. Speaker, and I would like to urge potential workforce participants and also employers to contact the HRDC to learn more about this valuable program. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Bell . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Nitah .

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Scholastic Achievement Levels In Small Communities

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Steven Nitah

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we all agree in this House as leaders of the Northwest Territories that education is going to play a major role in the future of the Northwest Territories. However, Mr. Speaker, we are seeing within our educational system kids being promoted from one grade to another without them being ready. We are seeing very low graduation rates within our schools, especially those in communities.

Mr. Speaker, I have one constituent who recently moved his family to Edmonton so the parents could go to school. They put their children in school, but it was determined that the children were two or three grades behind. The territorial government told them that their kids were at that level. They had to go back two or three grades.

This has a devastating effect on the children, especially those 16- or 17-year-olds who are continuously promoted from one grade to the next and then when they hit grade 10 and in some cases have to leave their communities to go to high school in the regional centres, they are told that they have to go back to grade 9 or grade 8. A 16-year-old who is ready to challenge the world and tackle the problems of the world is told that they are really not as smart as they had been told. It is devastating on them, Mr. Speaker.

This constituent who has moved to Edmonton has to put his children into a specialized private school that is costing them $20,000. Is it right that my constituents have to pay out of their own pockets to bring their children up to a level that this government had supposedly indicated to them that the children were already there? Is it right that we expect second-class education in the Northwest Territories, especially in the communities? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Nitah . Mahsi. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Respect And Understanding For Divergent Opinions

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I want to speak about something which is causing me serious concern. Numerous things have happened lately which are, in my view, counterproductive to unity in the Northwest Territories. Cracks are appearing which potentially threaten the way we live and work together.

We talk about the diversity of our people, our regions, our communities and our culture, and generally we have seen this as a part of what makes us unique and what makes the North a place we are proud to call home.

Numerous things have contributed to what I see as a subtle and disturbing trend, which if not recognized and addressed threatens to divide or polarize us. It is so important that we pay attention to the detail of our policies and initiatives to diminish real actions or even perceived attitudes which lead to alienation of any group that makes up our Territory.

This frustration creeps into our media sometimes and it is reflected in such things as editorial comments and cartoons. With all due respect to our local newspaper, I do not appreciate a cartoon characterizing our Premier in a way which insults his freedom of expression and opinion, whether it is the length of his hair or what he thinks about our Territory's name.

Everyone has the right to respectfully disagree and we heard very clearly from our constituents on the name issue, but if we sink to making comments that are very personal or have racial overtones it does not accomplish anything. In fact, it tears down what we strive to build.

As a Member of this House I want to understand the needs and aspirations of all Northerners and be a part of bringing solutions in a balanced and fair way that does not offend or deny anyone. Let us attempt to be very sensitive to the concerns and aspirations raised by each other as they relate to our constituents, because I know they are raised with sincerity.

If the actions and responses of this government are fair, they should be defendable in downtown Hay River or Colville Lake. So while attempting to arrive at decisions to govern, let us set an example of respect, understanding and unity. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for North Slave , Mr. Lafferty .

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Infrastructure Funding For Small Communities

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Leon Lafferty

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to speak today about funds for small communities to bring them up to standard. In the budget address, Cabinet is looking at small communities. I think this is great. Some communities have facilities like arenas that were built 20 years ago with natural ice. Some of these buildings were made with future plans for artificial ice, but that has not happened to date.

Rae and Fort Providence are good examples of that. This government has put a lot of money into these facilities, but we see them sitting empty. Now, due to climate change and warmer weather, we have arenas opening in December and shutting their doors in March because of this weather. These buildings are unusable for nine months of the year, Mr. Speaker.

In the budget address, it was noted that there will be $1.4 million in initiatives for improving recreation and sports opportunities for communities. This investment in health and well-being for our communities was made in response to recommendations from the community governments and Northwest Territories recreation and sports partners.

Mr. Speaker, we are constantly hearing how we have to look at existing facilities rather than building new ones. Here are existing buildings, Mr. Speaker, which can be upgraded so they can be used year-round, not three months of the year. I will have questions for the Minister on this issue, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Working In The Trenches Community Justice Workers Conference

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this opportunity to update my constituents and those in the House on some of my activities prior to the session.

The weekend before the session I was invited to speak at the front-line community justice workers conference and workshop entitled, Working the Trenches, in the town of Hay River. I felt honoured to be asked to do this and it was a great learning experience for me to meet and talk with front-line workers from all over the South Slave and Deh Cho areas. This was especially meaningful because in my life before, about 10 years ago, I had a brief stint working at the Department of Justice and one of the things I did was work on the start of the whole community justice and corrections area.

Parts of the sessions were highly emotional as the issues often evolved around people's experience of victimization, justice and restitution. It was also heart warming to see how far we have come in this area and to see the commitment and enthusiasm expressed by the front-line workers and how they shared with each other their experiences in starting up a community justice committee, and maintaining and progressing in the important work in this area.

Mr. Speaker, while it is subject to a lot of criticism, I think we should recognize the good work that has been done by the Department of Justice over the last 10 years. Mr. Speaker, I would also like to recognize and thank the excellent organization done by the people involved. They had excellent facilitators and special guests from all over the country, especially aboriginal leaders and healers from some of the aboriginal communities down south. I would like to congratulate Brenda Hall and the board chair, Helen Hudson McDonald for their excellent work. I would also like thank them for inviting me to be part of it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 207

The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Ootes .

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Acknowledgement Of Legislative Assembly Pages

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 207

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to acknowledge the support that we receive every day in this Legislative Assembly by our young people, the pages that serve us here. They provide a great deal of support to us with a great deal of dedication. From time to time we work overtime and the pages are still here with us after hours. They are here serving us diligently every session.

I would like to recognize all pages today, Mr. Speaker, but also I would like to mention that four of the pages with us today are my constituents. They are Miranda Booth, Mara Smith, Sarah Bonner and Leslie Merrithew. Both Miranda and Leslie served as Members in the Youth Parliament that transpired here in this Legislative Assembly several weeks ago. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Indeed they are very, very helpful young persons. It is a learning experience for them as well. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Mr. Dent .

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Schools North Apprenticeship Program

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Schools North Apprenticeship Program (SNAP) is a program for high school students in the Northwest Territories who are interested in a career in the trades. Mr. Speaker, this is a tremendous program. It gives youth an option to seek an alternative to leaving the North for their education or dropping out of school when they do not want to pursue an academic program. This allows them to complete their high school education while establishing themselves in a trades career. It gives them a significant leg up on that career at the same time, Mr. Speaker.

We know that a healthy economy stems in part from a skilled work force, yet our workforce is lacking many skilled workers. The Northwest Territories is short of trades people and we are right now importing employees from the south to build northern projects. This is certainly not maximizing our northern economy.

The SNAP program encourages youth to stay in school. Right now too few of our students are graduating from high school in the Northwest Territories in comparison with the rest of Canada. Mr. Speaker, we are well aware that more than a high school graduation is required for most jobs now available. In fact, most require 17 years of education.

Here we have a structured, proven program, yet I understand, Mr. Speaker, that there are fewer than 20 students in the program this year. This number is not proportionate to the number of students that we should have in the program. Mr. Speaker, since we are having trouble getting people into the trades I think this is a program that needs to be supported better.

Parents need to understand too that a university or academic education is not always the best track for their children to follow. In our environment in the North, most jobs will likely come up through the trades programs. With mining, oil and gas and other resource-based industries, this is certainly one of the best ways to pursue an occupation. In fact, a career in the trades can often yield a better wage and usually more secure jobs than many other jobs.

Mr. Speaker, the Department of Education, Culture and Employment should be better promoting this program to youth and be doing more to encourage young people to consider a career in the trades as a viable option for their future. The department should also be more actively promoting the program to employers, promoting the benefits of participating in such a program and the assistance available to them in doing so. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Handley .

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize Captain Karen Hoeft with the Salvation Army and also a strong advocate of the Homelessness Coalition. Thank you.

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Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Handley . Welcome to the gallery, Ms. Hoeft. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Nitah .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Steven Nitah

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . In my Member's statement, Mr. Speaker, I mentioned what seems to be a policy or direction of government where we see students being promoted from one grade to the next grade level without them being ready. I would like to ask the Minister, is that a common practice within the education system of the department? Thank you.

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Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Nitah . The honourable Minister responsible for Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yes it is a practice and policy of the Department of Education to place students in classrooms appropriate to their age. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Mr. Nitah .

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Steven Nitah

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Within the education system I imagine that we do track the successful completion grade by grade. Can the Minister tell me, when we see our high school drop-outs, in which grade area do we see them? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Tony Whitford

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There is certainly a knowledge that the critical area seems to be at grade 10 where students are looking to possibly leave school. There have been improvements in the last couple of years because of the extension of grades to the smaller communities. There has been some success in that. Initially there was increased enrolment and recently we have noticed that there has been improved graduation rates in some of the communities, Mr. Speaker.

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Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Mr. Nitah .

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Steven Nitah

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I imagine that if there are grade extensions in the communities and we are seeing a success in the graduation levels, I see a consistency in that. If there is no requirement for science in that area of teaching where there are no labs, I guess there will be graduation levels. I would like to ask the Minister, why do we see the drop-out rates high at the grade 10 level? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Tony Whitford

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We do not have complete hard data on that, but there is some indication that students feel that their education beyond that is not appropriate. We can all surmise, of course, about some of the reasons, but there is the issue of the appropriateness of the education system to their interested area of study. For that reason, we have been working on developing alternative pathways for students to take in high schools. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Final supplementary, Mr. Nitah .

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Steven Nitah

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it concerns me when we have to start looking at alternatives to accommodate those students who reach grade 9 and 10 and they are obviously not ready for it. We have to ask ourselves, Mr. Speaker, is it our goal as a government to pad our graduation rates or stats?

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Tony Whitford

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, no we are not there to pad. Graduation rates are dictated by examinations that are followed. It is an Alberta set exam that we carry on every year for grade 12. We do testing along the way. Schools do individual testing, Mr. Speaker. We have noticed that graduation rates from the early 1990s to today have improved. It is perhaps not as fast as we would like, but we certainly see it inching up. Thank you.

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Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for North Slave , Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 83-14(5): Community Sport And Recreation Fund

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 208

Leon Lafferty

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , the Honourable Vince Steen . I would like to ask the Minister, what portion of the money for community sports and recreation is going to bring buildings up to standard for multi-use purposes? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Minister responsible for Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. Steen .

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am going to take that question as notice. I do not have that information here. Thank you.

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Thank you. The question has been taken as notice. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for the Deh Cho , Mr. McLeod .

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Question 84-14(5): Fort Providence Swimming Pool

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question today is for the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs regarding my Member's statement on above-ground swimming pools. In my statement I indicated that the swimming pool in Fort Providence is beyond repair and on the verge of collapse.

I would like to ask the Minister, would he consider providing funding for the construction of a new pool in the Hamlet of Fort Providence? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. McLeod . The honourable Minister responsible for Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. Steen .

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the department at this present time does not have a policy in place to supply funding for pools in communities. At one time there was a program in place whereby they did this, but it expired or was removed in the days of cutbacks.

At the present time, the department is aware that the community has a pool that is fairly old and they were aware that it reached the point where it has to be replaced, however, this is the first report that the community has a request and I will certainly have the department consider the request.

However, we are going to have to work out how we are going to approach the Financial Management Board because there is no policy.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, I am surprised at the Minister's response. Last year I made the same request and at that time I was told there was no policy. The Minister states there was no request, this was the first time. I am quite surprised to hear that. In fact, other communities have received funding since then. Fort Liard has received funding. I wanted to know if the Minister could tell me how that community can access funding when the communities that I represent were refused. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the department has advised me that the funding for Fort Liard may have been obtained by them switching their priorities around whereby they may have had it in the budget, funding for a community hall or a recreation complex and they turned it towards a pool instead, but I would have to get back to the Member to really confirm that. Thank you.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, again, I am surprised at the Minister's response. In Fort Providence we had budgeted dollars for a curling rink and we asked of the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs whether we could use those dollars to build a swimming pool. Again we were refused.

I would like to ask the Minister, how can one community transfer dollars from projects that were identified in that community and convert it, but others cannot?

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am aware that the community had money in the budget for a curling rink and there is still some money sitting there for the curling rink. However, there was no indication that I am aware of that the community wanted to use this funding for a swimming pool rather than a curling rink.

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Thank you, Mr. Minister. Final supplementary, Mr. McLeod .

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, from the Minister's response then, I take it that Fort Providence would be eligible to convert those dollars that were earmarked for a curling rink and the building is right now partially completed, those dollars could be then used for a swimming pool.

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am not sure how much this swimming pool is going to cost, but I believe that the funding that is sitting in the budget for the repairs for the curling rink were in the nature of $50,000. I do not know, if that is what the community wants, well then that is what the department will sit down and negotiate with the community. Thank you.

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Question 85-14(5): High Gasoline Prices In Yellowknife

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 209

Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question today is for the Minister of Finance . Mr. Speaker, I was trying to figure out what to ask today of the many things I could ask, and received this letter from a resident in Yellowknife asking me about the high gas prices in Yellowknife.

Mr. Speaker, this person points out to me that in St. Albert in November the price of gas per litre was 46.4 cents. I called one of the local operators this afternoon and the rate in Yellowknife is 82 cents per litre. I also know, Mr. Speaker, that in Edmonton in October it was up to 63 cents, but it went down to 56 cents, now it is 46 cents, and this was in November. I am sure it is lower now.

My question to the Minister of Finance is, could he give us a simple and clear answer as to why the price in Yellowknife is almost double the one in Edmonton? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, unfortunately I do not think there is any one simple clear answer as to why the price differs in Edmonton compared to Yellowknife. There are a lot of factors including the transportation costs, the mark up costs, the costs at the processing plant, the competition that occurs between retail gas stations in Edmonton. There are a lot of factors that come into play here, Mr. Speaker.

I can assure the Member that our taxes have not changed on gasoline so that has not at all contributed to any price increase. I will also undertake to have the department take a look at the recent increases that have taken place. Thank you.

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Mr. Speaker, thank you. In looking at the budget address, it has indicated that the government is going to have $160 million in operating surplus this year, yet we have the highest fuel tax in comparison to Nunavut, Yukon and Alberta at 10.7 cents per litre.

Would the Minister, given the good times we are having, consider reducing the GNWT portion of tax to alleviate some of the problems? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, I will always consider any tax changes that Members want to recommend be taken into consideration. This is something we would have to look at over the longer term, figure out what is happening to the price of fuel, what the impact would be on our revenue.

If we were to decrease the price of gasoline from 10.7 cents to 6.4 cents, for example, to bring us down to the lowest, it would cost us $1.4 million annually. Thank you.

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is $1.4 million annually, but we are having a surplus of $160 million. Mr. Speaker, I did not hear any commitment from the Minister in his answer as to whether or not he would look at the question of reducing the burden of the high cost of fuel. Do I have that commitment? Could the Minister commit to this House to do that, Mr. Speaker?

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, as I said, I will certainly look at it. I will look at any changes that Members suggest with regard to tax decreases, increases, whatever it may be. Mr. Speaker, I will look at that issue. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Minister. Your final short supplementary, Ms. Lee .

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Just to clarify, Mr. Speaker, may I also have the Minister make a commitment to provide us with the reason why our price is almost twice as much as the one in Edmonton?

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, I will have the department take a look at the reasons for the increase. I would have to say that the response we will provide will have to be based on some of our own assessments of the reasons because they are varied, and we may not be able to get access to all of the specific details of exactly what the companies charge for transportation costs, what the mark-up is here and so on. I will provide the best information I can. Thank you.

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Question 86-14(5): Water And Sewer Subsidy Program

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 210

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in regard to my Member's statement on the water and sewage subsidy program, my question is for the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs . There has been no increase with respect to the formulas that are used. As we know, last year there was an extraordinary request for funding because of cost overruns with regard to the water and sewage program in Fort McPherson due to freeze-ups that occurred.

I would like to ask the Minister, when will the community see an increase on the actual costs associated with delivering the water and sewage subsidy program?

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Thank you, Mr. Krutko . The honourable Minister responsible for MACA , Mr. Steen .

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my department advises me that in 2001-2002 Fort McPherson received an increase of $180,000 in anticipation of higher costs for the operation of the water delivery system. Further to that, the previous Minister in December committed to the community that they would assist the community with any further funding needs, if they were in fact identified. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, with regard to the information provided by the Minister, it is clear that the water and sewage subsidy program is set at $318,000. Looking at the information I have in front of me, there is no change with regard to that program for the next four years into 2003-2004. I would like to ask the Minister again, what does the community have to do to see an increase in the water and sewage subsidy program to the cost of actually delivering that program?

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, for the years 2002-2003 and onward the department has not identified the figure because the figure has not been confirmed yet as to what that will be on an annual basis. We are estimating anywhere between $200,000 to $400,000 a year, but we will need confirmation of that to put that to the community. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I think it is important to realize that when we do implement new systems in communities where we used to have a piped-in system and now we have a water delivery system, there is going to be an increase in costs. I would like to ask the Minister, how soon can you have that information available for the communities so they can hopefully see an increase in delivering that program on behalf of this government?

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as the Member mentioned there have been a number of problems with the new system, including the operation of trucks and the Department of Public Works is in the process now of identifying those costs that were just start-up costs. Rather than just coming up with a figure at this time, they are trying to analyze what were actually start-up costs and what were actually working out the bugs.

I am hoping that once the new system is fully workable as far as Public Works is concerned, we would then be able to give the community an estimate, through MACA, as to what it would cost to operate that system on an annual basis. MACA would then bring that forward to the community. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Minister. Final supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I definitely would like to see the information that has been collected. There have been cost overruns on this project in the past and I think it is important that we keep a handle on what these costs are. I would like to ask the Minister if he will share the information that he mentioned earlier, the information that has been collected, with myself and the Hamlet of Fort McPherson so that we can follow these costs to see what we can do to improve that service.

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I can commit to bringing that information forward as soon as I have it. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 211

Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment around the SNAP program. Mr. Speaker, can the Minister advise the House how many young people are involved in the SNAP program this year and if he has the information going back for a couple of years? Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Dent . The honourable Minister responsible for Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, currently there are nine students enrolled in the SNAP apprenticeship program. The program was started in 1996 and since that time a total of 18 students have been enrolled and two students have achieved journey person status. As well, of course, we have the training and occupational certification program and one student is enrolled in that as a tourism counsellor. Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, given that this program has been in existence now for six or seven years, why has there been almost no growth in the number of students involved in the program?

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Member spoke earlier about the need to promote this further, and I do not disagree with the Member on that. We need to promote this with industry and with employers. One of the school boards here in Yellowknife has a program called Bridges, and they handle this in a number ways as a promotional program. Certainly there are some hurdles here. One is interest on the part of the students to be able to move into that, and the other is access to employment. Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in my statement I said that we needed to support this program and the Minister just said that he agreed that we need to support this program. What specifically is the Minister going to do in the next year to more adequately promote this program? Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we have been working on not only the issues of all academic approaches, and I spoke earlier about Pathways, the opportunity for students to move into occupations from grade 10 on, and we are exploring that area. I will commit here that we need to ensure that promotion of this program is done throughout the Northwest Territories and I will assure the Member that that is what we will undertake to do. Thank you.

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Question 88-14(5): Aurora College Residence Requirements

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 212

Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I stated in my Member's statement, the Aurora campus facility is due for replacement and there have been ongoing discussions in the community and with this government as well in trying to ensure that the student residence will be built along with this facility.

Many of the community members, Mr. Speaker, feel that building a new facility without the student residence is in fact giving us less than what we have right now and that is not acceptable.

I would like to know from the Minister, what is he doing to deal with this situation, knowing that this government in 1997 did a study and reported that a number of options were looked at, and the cost of a new facility replacement ranged from $13 million to $16 million? That was back in 1997. I would like to know what the Minister is doing to address the situation of student residences. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the issue of housing we are tackling by renovating and bringing back on stream some row housing that was available in Inuvik. We presently occupy 30 units and we are putting 18 more units in the market, of which ten will be utilized by the college.

The Member though, I believe, is speaking about what we are doing in terms of a residence with the college. We, Mr. Speaker, at the time that I got involved in this, the issue of how to resolve the issue of building the college was to transpose, with the community and capital planning committee, the funding for Samuel Hearne School for the college. That was $9 million, Mr. Speaker, which allowed us to proceed with the college building. Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Is the Minister or the department looking at replacing the student residences at a future date or is their fix going to be using these row houses as has been discussed?

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Naturally it is our hope to be able to address the issue of a student residence with the college, but for the moment we had to ensure there was space available for students to be accommodated, both single and family units. We decided that we would proceed with the row housing, Mr. Speaker, and that will certainly serve our purpose for a couple of years, up to ten years no doubt.

However, we are interested in the college, but it is a matter of availability of capital funding and the priority, Mr. Speaker.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Has the Minister and his department worked with the community in looking at alternative ways of proceeding with the student residence at the same time as the campus facility? Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, no, although we would like to do that if there was some interest on the part of the community for us to sit down and talk about possibilities. My restriction at the moment is that I am a bit restricted on the availability of capital funding and the capital plan, but that does not mean I am not interested at looking at possibilities, Mr. Speaker.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Is the Minister at all looking at the surplus that this government has to try and access some of those funds? Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the issue of the surplus becomes a government-wide issue and there are demands by this government for a number of projects. It would have to fall in line with decisions that would work out in terms of capital planning. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Minister. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife South , Mr. Bell .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this chance to applaud the Minister of Health for hosting what seems like it is going to be a very valuable FAS symposium. He is bringing in professionals from the south to help train health care professionals, front-line workers and also physicians.

I would like to ask the Minister, how many primary school teachers and school counsellors will be attending? Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, can I ask the Member to repeat the question please?

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The honourable Member for Yellowknife South , the honourable Minister requests you repeat the question. Mr. Bell .

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will allow the Minister a little more time to work with this, but I am wondering how many primary school teachers and school counsellors have been invited to this excellent symposium. Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have not seen the final participant list, but when I do I will be very happy to share that with the Member and the chair of the Social Programs Committee and keep him apprised as to who is going to be attending. Thank you.

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

I would appreciate that because it seems like he has gone through a lot of effort to bring in some really qualified folks and health care professionals would be benefiting, but it would be a shame if the people who are often on the front line and often first see signs of FAS, that being teachers, school counsellors, were not involved. If the Minister will commit that teachers and school counsellors will be involved in this initiative, that would be great. Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, very clearly we want to involve front-line workers, and as I indicated I will provide the list to the Member as soon as I can get it. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Minister. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Nitah .

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Question 90-14(5): Northwest Territories High School Graduation Requirements

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Steven Nitah

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . Mr. Speaker, with the challenges of FAS being so predominant in the Northwest Territories, the challenge of facilities in our communities where the schools are not equipped with science labs, the policy of the department to move students from one grade to the next without them being qualified for it, drop out rates are high. Even the SNAP program that Mr.

Dent alluded to and the low number of entrants in there, all of this tells me that the policy to promote students from one grade to the next without them being qualified is detrimental to the ability of students and the ability of the department to prepare the students for employment and life.

I ask the Minister, when he said graduation rates are getting up there, can the Minister tell me if students are graduating with predominantly matriculation courses or is it very basic? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Graduation requirements are 100 credits, Mr. Speaker, and there are some base courses that have to be taken. There can be some other courses on a selective basis taken, so a total of 100 credits are required. Thank you.

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Steven Nitah

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, 100 credits is 100 credits. If you can go from one class to the next and you are told you get five credits in this class, five credits in that class. I am trying to get a determination from the Minister if we are preparing our students for a life of employment after they are done school by providing this House with an indication of the level of education students have and determining if it is matriculation or just basic. The Minister does not seem to have that. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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