Debates of May 30th, 2005

This is page numbers 69 - 100 of the Hansard for the 15th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was communities .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

point Of Privilege

Graduated Driver's Licence Program

NWT Disability Awareness Week

Corrections Human Resource Review Update

Motion To Move Ministers' Statements 1-15(4), 3-15(4), 4-15(4) And 5-15(4) Into Committee Of The Whole For Consideration

Recognition Of Graduates In The Sahtu

Income Support Policies For Special Needs

Youth Activity Funding

Closing Of Sleep Centre At Stanton Hospital

Mackenzie Valley Land And Water Board Appointments

Relocation Of Territorial Treatment Centre

Recognition Of Yellowknife Catholic School Board's Approach To Junk Food

Deh Cho Leadership Meeting In Fort Liard

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Timeline For Responding To Questions Taken As Notice

Status Of The Stanton Sleep Centre And Its Clients

Teacher Recruitment And Retention In The Sahtu

Income Support Policies For Special Needs Cases

Relocation Of The Territorial Treatment Centre

Chipseal Program In Fort Good Hope

Treatment Of Individual With A Disability

Dementia Centre In Yellowknife

Policies For Facility And Program Relocation

Youth Contribution Program Funding For Nahendeh

Administration Of The Homeownership Program (edap)

Relocation Of The Territorial Treatment Centre

Recycling Program For Communities In The North

Relocation Of The Territorial Treatment Centre

Tabled Document 3-15(4): Annual Report Respecting Members' Indemnities And Allowances For The Fiscal Year Ended March 31, 2005

Tabled Document 4-15(4): Annual Report Respecting Capital Accommodation Expenses For The Fiscal Year Ended March 31, 2005

Tabled Document 5-15(4): Annual Report Respecting Members' Constituency Expenses For The Fiscal Year Ended March 31, 2005

Tabled Document 6-15(4):

Summary Of Members' Absences For The Period April 1, 2004 To March 31, 2005

Appointment Of Information And Privacy Commissioner

Bill 10:

An Act To Amend The Income Tax Act

Bill 8:

An Act To Amend The Revolving Funds Act

Bill 3:

An Act To Amend The Access To Information And Protection Of Privacy Act

Bill 4:

An Act To Amend The Education Act

Bill 5:

An Act To Amend The Judicature Act

Bill 6: Miscellaneous Statutes Amendment Act, 2005

Bill 7: Personal Directives Act

Bill 9: Municipal Statutes Amendment Act

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Brendan Bell , Mr. Braden , Honourable Charles Dent , Mrs. Groenewegen , Honourable Joe Handley , Mr. Hawkins , Honourable David Krutko , Ms. Lee , Honourable Michael McLeod , Mr. Menicoche , Honourable Michael Miltenberger , Mr. Pokiak , Mr. Ramsay , Honourable Floyd Roland , Mr. Villeneuve , Mr. Yakeleya , Mr. Zoe

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---Prayer

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 69

The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

For the information of Members, the languages in which there is simultaneous translation today are Inuvialuit and Cree. The Chair recognizes the honourable Member for North Slave , Mr. Zoe .

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 69

Henry Zoe

North Slave

I rise on a Point of Privilege, Madam Speaker.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 69

The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

What is your Point of Privilege, Mr. Zoe ?

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point Of Privilege

Item 1: Prayer

Page 69

Henry Zoe

North Slave

Thank you. Madam Speaker, I rise today on a matter of personal privilege to inform the House and my constituents that it has been my honour and privilege to have been chosen by the people of North Slave to serve in three legislative assemblies. I have not taken this responsibility lightly. I want to take this opportunity to publicly thank my constituents for their support and confidence in me during the time I have been their representative in this House. I want to let them know that I have always had their best interests at heart.

Madam Speaker, spring is now in the air throughout the Northwest Territories. It is a wonderful time of the year and the longer days and the new buds on the trees reminds us all that it is time for reflection, new life and revitalization. Various events in my life, both personal and public, have given me cause for reflection this spring. Madam Speaker, I feel I need to make a fresh start in my life. I need revitalization and reflection. As I do so, my first priority is to ensure that the Tlicho people, my people, are represented in this House in the manner they need and deserve.

Madam Speaker, I rise in the House today to announce my resignation as a Member of the Legislative Assembly for North Slave effective immediately. To my colleagues in this House, I want to thank you for your friendship and support over the years. I am proud to say that I have served in this House with each and every one of you. I wish you good luck as you continue your important work on behalf of the people of this great territory.

To the Tlicho people, I wish you a joyous summer as you celebrate the implementation of our historic agreements. Good luck to all the candidates in the upcoming elections. I know you will serve our people with the best of intentions as we begin the next

chapter in our period of history. Thank you. Mahsi cho.

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point Of Privilege

Item 1: Prayer

Page 69

The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Zoe . At this time, I am going to call for a 10-minute break and we will reconvene after that. Thank you.

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point Of Privilege

Item 1: Prayer

Page 69

The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

I will call the House back to order. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Minister of Transportation , Mr. McLeod.

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Minister's Statement 9-15(4): Graduated Driver's Licence Program

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 69

Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Madam Speaker, this afternoon, I would like to advise the Assembly that the Department of Transportation's Graduated Driver's Licence Program will come into effect as of August 1, 2005. The Graduated Driver's Licence Program will attach some new conditions to the process of acquiring a driver's licence for the first time. These conditions will encourage the novice driver to respect the responsibility involved in operating a motor vehicle safely.

When the 14th Legislative Assembly amended the Motor Vehicle Act for the strategy to reduce impaired driving in June of 2003, it also enacted amendments for a graduated driver's licence. Due to the fiscal restraint, the Department of Transportation deferred the introduction of this new program until now. This week, the department begins an information campaign to advise the public of the changes in the driver licensing process that will take effect this August.

Until now, there has been no minimum period of time that a person must spend learning to drive between getting a learner's licence and taking the road test for a full class 5 driver's licence. The Graduated Driver's Licence Program requires that a new driver must hold a learner's licence and drive under the supervision of a class 5 driver for a full 12 months before testing for the class 5.

Similarly, a new class 5 driver's licence is probationary for 12 months. In that time, the novice driver may not have more than one passenger with him or her in the front seat of a vehicle. New drivers are not permitted to drive with any amount of alcohol in their blood. The limit on the accumulation of demerit points for a mandatory licence suspension is 15 points for experienced drivers. For novice drivers, the limit is reduced to six points.

In a nutshell, those are the main elements of the Graduated Driver's Licence Program. They are not harsh or punitive. They are reasonable limitations to put on an inexperienced driver and consistent with the Graduated Driver's Licence Programs already in effect for some years now across southern Canada.

The value of the Graduated Driver's Licence Program is to emphasize for new drivers the skills they must acquire before they can operate a motor vehicle safely. Acquiring

those skills takes experience and gaining that experience takes time.

The motor vehicle is a sophisticated piece of technology and contributes to our freedom of mobility. Yet it can also be a dangerous and even deadly piece of equipment. With freedom comes responsibility. New drivers must learn to respect the motor vehicle. The purpose of the Graduated Driver's Licence Program is to provide an opportunity to learn that respect. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 9-15(4): Graduated Driver's Licence Program

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Minister's Statement 10-15(4): NWT Disability Awareness Week

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 70

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, today I wish to recognize the contributions and abilities of persons with disabilities. NWT Disability Awareness Week is from May 20 to June 4, 2005. The theme for this year's activities is "Celebrating our Strengths."

Madam Speaker, disability can affect any one of us directly or indirectly at any point in our lives. Some people are born with disabilities. Other people are disabled by an accident, illness or disease. Some disabilities are temporary, while others are life long. Some disabilities are visible and other disabilities cannot be seen. The important message is that we can focus on people's abilities, rather than define them by their disabilities.

The NWT action plan for persons with disabilities and the NWT disability framework, which was released in December 2004, guides GNWT services for persons with disabilities.

Earlier today, I had the honour of presenting an award on behalf of the NWT Council of Persons with Disabilities to Tammy Saunders of Yellowknife, a person with a disability, in recognition of her outstanding contributions in the field of disabilities within the NWT.

The NWT Council of Persons with Disabilities will be presenting two other awards to the mayor of Holman, Peter Malgokak; and Jacques Van Pelt of Fort Smith. These are two people that live with a disability who have been recognized by the NWT Council of Persons with Disabilities as having achieved and provided outstanding contributions to their communities.

Madam Speaker, I ask Members to join with me and thank all persons with disabilities in the NWT for their contributions and strengths, which are shared with friends, families and communities. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 10-15(4): NWT Disability Awareness Week

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Minister of Justice , Mr. Bell .

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Minister's Statement 11-15(4): Corrections Human Resource Review Update

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 70

Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, in keeping with previous commitments to report progress, I would like to update the House on the implementation of the corrections human resource action plan, tabled in the House in December 2004.

In August 2004, corporate human resources began a review of the human resources challenges corrections was facing. Madam Speaker, by November 2004, a number of issues were identified which required priority attention. In response, the Department of Justice prepared an action plan and a team was established to begin the work immediately.

Madam Speaker, I am pleased to report that we have greatly enhanced communications with all levels of the corrections services by holding more frequent and comprehensive staff meetings, by piloting an internal electronic message system, and by ensuring that supervisors and managers meet with staff every day. We are creating staff committees to develop and monitor staff training, to implement a staff awards system and to edit our new newsletter. Also, we are working with corporate human resources to develop a comprehensive human resource plan that will incorporate the best practices we are diligently following.

We are continuing to make progress on our targeted action items, Madam Speaker, but have adjusted some of our original timelines to accommodate the consolidation of human resource functions across government and the ongoing negotiation of a new collective bargaining agreement. Madam Speaker, we will continue to move forward on outstanding tasks, including improving our job descriptions, addressing vacancies, identifying a three-year training plan and enhancing our hiring processes.

I look forward to continuing this work and will table an update report on the corrections human resource action plan during the fall 2005 session. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 11-15(4): Corrections Human Resource Review Update

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 70

The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Bell . Mr. Braden .

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Motion To Move Ministers' Statements 1-15(4), 3-15(4), 4-15(4) And 5-15(4) Into Committee Of The Whole For Consideration, Carried

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 70

Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Nahendeh , that Ministers' Statements 1-15(4), 3-15(4), 4-15(4) and 5-15(4) be moved into Committee of the Whole for consideration. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Motion To Move Ministers' Statements 1-15(4), 3-15(4), 4-15(4) And 5-15(4) Into Committee Of The Whole For Consideration, Carried

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 70

The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Braden . The motion is in order. To the motion.

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Motion To Move Ministers' Statements 1-15(4), 3-15(4), 4-15(4) And 5-15(4) Into Committee Of The Whole For Consideration, Carried

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Some Hon. Members

Question.

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Motion To Move Ministers' Statements 1-15(4), 3-15(4), 4-15(4) And 5-15(4) Into Committee Of The Whole For Consideration, Carried

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 70

The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Question is being called. All those in favour of the motion? All those opposed? The motion is carried.

---Carried

I order Ministers' Statements 1-15(4), 3-15(4), 4-15(4) and 5-15(4) be moved into Committee of the Whole for consideration. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Recognition Of Graduates In The Sahtu

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 71

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, at this time of the year, many colleges, universities and other post-secondary institutions and high school academic years are coming to an end. For most students, their semester is already over and this is the time for celebration. I'm sure many students are happy that their final exams are over and that summer has arrived. But more importantly, this is a season in which graduation is celebrated and it is in recognition of a student's successes, success for all the students in the Northwest Territories.

Madam Speaker, I'm proud to recognize the academic achievements of nine students from the Sahtu who have recently graduated from Aurora College in Fort Smith and two students at the Yellowknife Campus. For the individual graduates and for their communities and Aurora College, this is a celebration of talent, sustained effort and belief in the importance of learning.

These graduates work hard and the graduation day captures the pride and accomplishment and success of these students. Every single graduate represents a story of achievement and a wonderful promise for the future, just as these students have become important role models and future leaders in their communities. There are also 23 potential high school graduates from the Sahtu who have demonstrated commitment and discipline to create a brighter future for themselves and their determination has been recognized by all.

Madam Speaker, these students can be proud of the education they receive here in the Northwest Territories. This will reward them for the rest of their lives.

Madam Speaker, I would like to also recognize Sheena Kochon of Colville Lake who will be celebrating her graduation ceremony at 4:00 today with her community.

In addition, Madam Speaker, two elders from the Sahtu region were recognized and awarded special certificates by Aurora College in Inuvik for their contribution and dedication to teaching their aboriginal language. Mr. Maurice Mendo of Tulita and Ms. Rosie Sewi of Deline received honourary Aboriginal Language and Culture Instructor Certificates and both of them are called our Dene professors of linguistics.

In closing, I would like to recognize the parents and the teachers and the various organizations that have fostered and developed the academic successes of our students. Their constant support provides a foundation of success of individuals and entire communities that deserve recognition. Mahsi cho, Madam Speaker.

---Applause

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Recognition Of Graduates In The Sahtu

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 71

The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Item 5, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Income Support Policies For Special Needs

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 71

Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, in honour of the Disability Awareness Week which was celebrated at our luncheon in the Great Hall this afternoon, I would like to take this opportunity to once again call upon this government to move quickly in revising the income support policies in ways to understand and address the particular needs of those with physical or mental disabilities.

Madam Speaker, in a nutshell, the problem with the government's income support policies is that it's largely an effort to fit a square peg into a circle. Madam Speaker, generally speaking, it makes sense to encourage able-bodied and able-minded people on income support to train and to take life skills courses in order to maximize their potential for gaining better employment and eventually getting off the income support system.

But what this does not recognize is that there are people in our society who are not able to ever work on a temporary basis or permanent basis, no matter what we do for them and no matter how much they want to. Right now our income support policies do not treat these citizens with the necessary sensitivity and comprehension.

Madam Speaker, it makes no sense to ask someone who is physically weak and on a waiting list for a heart transplant to attend a life skills courts to improve herself. This is what's happening out there.

Madam Speaker, it equally does not make sense to require someone with severe cognitive disabilities, such as Down's Syndrome, to ask them to take a training course and to take life improvement courses that would normally benefit able-bodied and able-minded people on income support. Madam Speaker, it also doesn't work for the government to insist that these people are left in abject poverty, supposedly aimed at encouraging them to get off the system, because we know no matter how much they want to, it's not possible.

Madam Speaker, when you know that there are those very small segments in our society who could never get off this income support system, I think we, as a decent society, must do what we can to help them in a different way. Madam Speaker, I believe those in our society who are clinically determined not to be able to work in any reasonable capacity should be given a certain minimum standard of living in the form of minimum government disability pension. Madam Speaker, in other words, this government once and for all has to understand and act on a deep appreciation that there has to be a separate set of policies and guidelines for those with special needs. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

---Applause

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Income Support Policies For Special Needs

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 71

The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Youth Activity Funding

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 71

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Madam Speaker, today I am responding to a very alarming situation regarding the youth program budget for this year; or rather, the lack thereof. Several communities within my constituency have waited for this fiscal year to apply for youth activity

funding, hoping their early application could enhance their chances for funding. I regret to say that to my chagrin the recent response from the Minister's office was unfavourable. What was alarming was that the funds were exhausted already. How can this be when we're only in the first quarter, Madam Speaker?

If the GNWT had little or no funding to put towards youth initiatives, then the government should not be giving the impression that they will evaluate applications or have the means to provide for them. This response, along with the drastic decrease with community-based partnership funding such as a Youth Employment Program, is very concerning to me and my constituents. Youth within communities such as Fort Liard or Wrigley have very limited opportunities and exposure with post-secondary education and youth activities. The cost for youth to visit colleges and universities or attend sports functions limits many of our youth in these communities.

Secondly, the small populations of the communities and the enormous costs often create an unrealistic or very gruelling fundraising situation. There's really no other presence in that community other than government, Madam Speaker. With such differences in regions, this across-the-board standard calculation for evaluating funding requests alienate the communities and are unbalanced when comparing them to larger centres.

During my recent community visits, some of my constituents have expressed their opinion that the GNWT has dramatically reduced high profile community-based funding to support for the recent resource revenue sharing negotiations with the federal government. During a time when youth programs such as Healthy Living initiatives and education-based activities are regarded as crucial to a healthy development of the North, why then has this government reduced the budget for so many youth deliverables?

The youth are our future; they need our support and guidance and we, as the government of the people, cannot let them down. Mahsi cho.

---Applause

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Youth Activity Funding

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Closing Of Sleep Centre At Stanton Hospital

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 72

David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Sleep apnea is a very common medical disorder that our adult population suffers from. Sufferers of this condition need to have their condition properly diagnosed in a sleep lab prior to deciding on a form of treatment. Unfortunately, Madam Speaker, the Department of Health and Social Services is closing down the sleep centre at Stanton hospital. It is estimated that 80 percent of sleep apnea sufferers go undiagnosed and this is a real shame, because sleep apnea can have a detrimental effect on your quality of life.

This condition can cause severe drowsiness, so the sufferer is unable to concentrate on work, stay alert or take care of children or drive somewhere without severely injuring themselves or others. A sleep apnea sufferer recently wrote a letter to the Yellowknifer, describing the devastating effects of sleep apnea. Madam Speaker, this woman couldn't even lay down to go to sleep without suffocating. Needless to say, she also couldn't believe that the sleep centre was being closed when she had been told there was a three-year waiting list to get in.

It's not only sleep apnea patients that can use the help of a sleep centre, Madam Speaker. A constituent of mine suffered from a heart defect and had severe arrhythmia. One of the most significant symptoms is a marked decrease in oxygen while he slept. Once he was tested and given oxygen while he slept, he felt immediately better and the stress to his heart decreased significantly.

Madam Speaker, not only does the Northwest Territories not have a program to address sleep and oxygen related disorders, but the CPAP machines used to treat sleep apnea are not covered by the NWT health insurance. My constituent with the heart condition is also having trouble getting the government to pay the contractor that is providing him with oxygen.

Madam Speaker, I have some real concerns about how people with these disorders are being treated by our government and I'll have some questions for the Minister of Health and Social Services at the appropriate time. Thank you.

---Applause

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Closing Of Sleep Centre At Stanton Hospital

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 72

The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Villeneuve .

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Mackenzie Valley Land And Water Board Appointments

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 72

Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, today I'd like to speak about some of the recent negative developments that the Mackenzie Valley Land and Water Board has been experiencing over the past couple of months. The federal government, as we are all aware, Madam Speaker, made a chair appointment without the consent of northerners and this government.

Last April, the Mackenzie Valley Land and Water Board raised the issue of conflict of interest of the chair and in rebuttal the chair suspended the board operations, which could and has resulted in serious repercussions to mineral explorations in the form of jobs to northerners and potential future developments within the Northwest Territories being shelved by exploration companies, which we have already witnessed last week with the seven applications that were put on hold because of the petty quarrelling amongst many board members and the chair.

Madam Speaker, not only has the appointment of a non-northerner by the Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development, Andy Scott, and supported by our own MP, Ethel Blondin-Andrew, opened up some old wounds already within the unsteady

Mackenzie Valley Environmental Impact Review Board and now the Mackenzie Valley Land and Water Board, and also now in our bureaucratically bloated regulatory regime here in the North, but the federal non-northerner appointee is now pouring salt on the wound by suspending the board's business of issuing permits in a timely manner.

Madam Speaker, all this mayhem could have been avoided had the federal government, more specifically Minister Scott and MP Blondin-Andrew, heeded the advice of northerners. What do we as northern residents and government representatives have to do in order to be taken more seriously by our federal counterparts?

Issues that are specifically northern related can and should be resolved by northerners in true northern fashion, which is by consensus and merit, and viewed as favourable by all northerners. This has to be considered sacred, not just out of respect, but because only northerners know what is good for northerners.

I would encourage this government's leadership to express our frustration and disagreement toward the legislative process and establishment of such an important regulatory body, and take responsibility and the leadership position to direct the board to act and work effectively and cooperatively on behalf of northerners and not put northern development on hold for personal agendas. Mahsi, Madam Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Braden .

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Relocation Of Territorial Treatment Centre

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 73

Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Madam Speaker. In the last few days the issue of the government's decision to move the Territorial Treatment Centre from Yellowknife has captured a lot of attention and certainly a lot of it is centred on Members of this Assembly and where we're going with this very sudden decision by the government to relocate something that has a very significant part of this community's and this region's service to children with severe behavioural disabilities.

Madam Speaker, on Friday I was comforted to hear the Minister of Health and Social Services tell us in relation to a discussion about dialysis services in Nahendeh that it makes far more sense to have services as close to the people it serves as possible. This is something that I am certainly learning a lot more about in relation to this particular issue.

Madam Speaker, I've heard from the YWCA here in Yellowknife that the loss of this service here in the city, of course, is going to potentially mean that some of the staff involved in delivering care for the young people at the Territorial Treatment Centre will also be lost to other related programs in the city. For instance, there are three at the YWCA: Project Child Recovery for children who witness violence in the home, a Teen Dating Violence Prevention Program, and a Support for Adults with Disabilities. All have staff who are very much involved in the delivery of service at the Territorial Treatment Centre.

My growing concern here, Madam Speaker, as I am learning more about the significance of this service, is that the government has made this decision without fully developing the plan, the consequences for it and how our region and our community are going to cope with this through the transition of this service to Hay River. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Braden . Item 3, Members' statement. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Recognition Of Yellowknife Catholic School Board's Approach To Junk Food

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 73

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, last session I spoke in this House for a limited junk food policy out there for young students to tap into. I want to take this afternoon's Member's statement to congratulate the Yellowknife Catholic school board for their initiative in dealing with a firm policy that deals directly with solving some of these junk food problems out there.

Although a number of schools in other regions have stepped forward to take on initiatives of this nature, I think the Yellowknife Catholic school board needs an extra applaud of thanks for taking control and removing those low nutritional value foods out of their vending machines. I think that is a fairly significant step and it shows that they have their priorities in order and it shows us that we need to pay attention.

In recent months, more and more emphasis has been placed out there on balanced diet, modernization of the foods are so unhealthy out there. Study after study has shown and beyond that they've scientifically proven all along that mom truly was right, we need to eat good foods to grow up healthy, such as vegetables. I hope the folks up there in the gallery remember to eat your broccoli.

Madam Speaker, I just want to further applaud the Yellowknife Catholic school board for putting their children first by putting quality snacks into their vending machines and removing the garbage ones. Here is a lesson that can be learned by those in the GNWT. Any initiative of this nature can be considered a positive step in promoting healthy living and healthy choices, and beyond that a healthy and active world that people can grow up in. The GNWT has a role here to play. In promoting policies of this nature, we can keep our society much happier and healthier for our future, which affects the bottom line.

Madam Speaker, in closing, I just want to emphasize a couple points. The Government of Nunavut recently held a Drop the Pop campaign and they've basically identified how many students under the age of five will be losing teeth this fall because of their addiction to pop. Finally, one last point I want to say in closing, schools having to fundraise by tapping into the need for junk food is completely wrong, because it's almost like government justifying gaming and social addictions as reasonable efforts to raise revenues. So I think the Catholic school board is certainly taking a smart step forward and I applaud them personally for that. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Page 73

The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Pokiak .

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Deh Cho Leadership Meeting In Fort Liard

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 73

Calvin Pokiak

Nunakput

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I rise today to thank Mr. Menicoche , MLA for Nahendeh, and Premier

Handley, as well as my colleague Sandy Lee for attending the Deh Cho First Nations leadership meeting in Fort Liard. As a Member from the Far North, it was a pleasure to attend the leadership meeting.

Madam Speaker, Grand Chief Herb Norwegian was a very good host and allowed us to make a short speech. Madam Speaker, as the Member for Nunakput , the Mackenzie Valley pipeline is very important to the Beaufort-Delta people. My support for the process was relayed to the Deh Cho First Nations leadership.

Madam Speaker, I was interested in attending the leadership meeting because the Deh Cho First Nations could play a vital role in the proposed pipeline and also the joint process. Although, Madam Speaker, the leadership did not speak openly on the proposed pipeline, I hope the Deh Cho First Nations will take my concerns seriously to move forward on the process of the proposed Mackenzie Valley pipeline.

In closing, Madam Speaker, I'd just like to thank the grand chief and the chiefs along the valley for their hospitality. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Pokiak . Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Ms. Lee .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 74

Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, it gives me great pleasure to recognize a class from Yellowknife in the gallery today. By looking at them I know that they are absolutely fascinated and interested about what is going on in this House. I am going to visit them in their class next Tuesday and expect to be answering some questions about some of the interesting proceedings in this House. Let me introduce Mr. Speakman's Grade 6 class from Range Lake North School. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Page 74

The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Welcome. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I would like to recognize a former constituent from the Deline, Madam Speaker. He is also a good hockey player. I would also like to recognize behind me, Sonny MacDonald. Thank you.

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Page 74

The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Premier , Mr. Handley .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I am pleased to recognize my constituent, Major Karen Hoeft, who is clearly very fascinated with what goes on in this House. Thank you.

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Page 74

The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Premier Handley. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Thebacha , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 74

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to thank the Member for Sahtu for recognizing my constituent for me, Mr. Sonny MacDonald, the band councillor for the Salt River First Nations, chair of the Arts Council for the Northwest Territories, a renowned carver and a friend from Fort Smith, Thebacha. Thank you.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Page 74

The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. I would like to recognize in the visitors' gallery today Wayne Miller. He is a resident of Yellowknife but he spends a lot of time in Hay River, so I feel like he is my constituent. Welcome, Wayne.

---Applause

Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 37-15(4): Timeline For Responding To Questions Taken As Notice

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 74

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I rise again with questions to the Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation , the Honourable David Krutko . Honourable Krutko, on page 142 of the unedited Hansard from Friday, had promised to table some information and I would like to know when the Minister is going to do good on the promise. As well, he took a question on notice last week and I would like to hear some answers to when we are going to hear these fabulous and mysterious answers on the EDAP program. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 74

The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation , Mr. Krutko .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 74

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I will be tabling the information that I was requested to table in the House, but because the Member's question was so technical, I will have to take a little time to research it and make sure that I get the information to the Member so that I am accurate in regard to the issue that he raised so that the information that he receives is valid and hopefully it will take care of his question. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 74

The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Supplementary, Mr. Hawkins .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 74

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Speaker. While I am really looking forward to hearing actually when we are going to table this program, because I am getting phone calls from Inuvik as well as Yellowknife in regards to how does this program work, how we justify one family getting

a different amount than another family, there seems to be no clear transparency on this sliding scale. Would the Minister clearly say today when we expect him to table this information that he agreed to on Friday, and will he table it in a timely manner so that questions can be posed fairly in this House before it adjourns this Thursday? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 75

The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation , Mr. Krutko .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 75

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I am hoping to have the document tabled in this House by Wednesday.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 75

The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 38-15(4): Status Of The Stanton Sleep Centre And Its Clients

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 75

David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to ask questions today to the Minister of Health and Social Services , Michael Miltenberger . I would like to know what the current disposition of the sleep centre at Stanton Territorial Hospital is and I am wondering if the Minister can tell me how much it costs to operate that centre and how many patients it treats per year. Thank you, Madam Speaker. Three questions.

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The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Well thank you, Mr. Ramsay , for helping me with that observation. The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 75

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, this program is under a lot of growth pressures. I can't tell the Member specifically what it costs. I can tell him that there is work being done to make sure that we can cope with the demand, that we can modernize equipment and make sure that the staff we have are trained. We are working with a doctor from Calgary to come up with a good plan; this Dr. Remmers has had experience in other jurisdictions, so we are looking at this area very closely. Thank you.

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Page 75

The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Minister Miltenberger . Supplementary, Mr. Ramsay .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 75

David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. That didn't really get to the exact disposition. Is the sleep centre actually going to close or is there a study? It sounds like there is a study at play here that will see something happen. I am just wondering if the Minister can tell me how the current and future clients of the sleep centre will be looked after. What portion of care will be at the individual's expense? Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 75

The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . That really was two questions, but we can stretch this out. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 75

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, this is a program and a service that is required, and we are going to take the steps necessary to ensure that we can provide the service required with as much of the service as possible delivered in the North in terms of full-scale testing, all that can be done as well as the follow-up that is needed. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 75

The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Minister Miltenberger . Supplementary, Mr. Ramsay .

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Supplementary To Question 38-15(4): Status Of The Stanton Sleep Centre And Its Clients

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 75

David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I guess we have an hour here. We are asking questions here for an hour, so I will ask more questions and then come back again. I am just wondering, because I did not hear the Minister say yes or no, is the sleep centre open or is it closed. What is happening with it? I need a definite answer and by the sounds of it they really don't know what is happening there. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 75

The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Mr. Miltenberger .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 75

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, they know what is happening. Unfortunately I don't have the current briefing note in my book, so I am unable to provide the level of detail that the Member would like. I have the staff looking for the most current information that I received from Stanton and will be happy to share that with the Member when I get it. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Minister Miltenberger . Final supplementary, Mr. Ramsay .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I am wondering if the Minister can also tell me if he is at least considering making these CPAP machines part of the NWT insured services for clients that require them. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Page 75

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, there is a working group currently reviewing this issue and will be looking at all the recommendations. I am sure that they will be giving us suggestions on the best way for this program to be covered. Thank you.

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Page 76

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Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 39-15(4): Teacher Recruitment And Retention In The Sahtu

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 76

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I support the goals of the Department of Education. I believe that education should be within reach of every child and family in the Northwest Territories. Madam Speaker, it is somewhat different in the smaller communities that I represent in the Sahtu. I would like to ask a question of the honourable Minister. Generally on the education

part in the Sahtu, what type of support is he giving the educational boards in terms of retaining good, qualified teachers in the Sahtu? For example, we have heard in the past of the teachers' housing situation that has been an ongoing issue in the Sahtu. Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 76

Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. There are a number of initiatives that the department undertakes to encourage the retention of teachers. One of the first and the most important is the mentorship program that is supported by the department. This is to help new teachers gain experience in the system with an experienced teacher and to call on when they need advice or mentoring.

The Member specifically asked about housing, as well. Last year the Housing Corporation installed market houses in a number of communities in the Sahtu. I met with the board chairs of all regions, including the Sahtu, and asked them to provide me with some information on housing needs, which I could then pass on to the Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation . That was provided in some detail by the Sahtu Divisional Education Council and that information has been passed on to the NWT Housing Corporation. They are taking that into account as they plan for the delivery of market housing. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Dent . Supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 76

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I am very glad to hear the Minister mention the mentorship of the teachers. We have a number of local assistants, as I referred to, in the teachers' program. What specific types of programs are there? Can the Minister advise this House of promotions that would help these assistants get into a job that would be permanent in the smaller communities because of the hiring of northern teachers? We want to keep our teachers employed in the Sahtu region. Thank you.

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Page 76

Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. There are people who have an interest in the education system who should consider, first of all, becoming teachers, taking the Teacher Education Program and getting a diploma and then moving on, hopefully, to take the Bachelor of Education Program. The college has put a lot of effort into making sure that people across the Territories can access that program.

As well, for those who are classroom assistants, it might be useful for them to consider taking the Aboriginal Language and Cultural Instructor Program. ALCIP is a program that is offered, when requested, by the college. We expect the divisional education councils to request the program, but the college is prepared to offer that to help people who may be working as classroom assistants be better prepared to work in classrooms, particularly in delivering language and culture programs. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 76

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, the students and teachers really work well together in the Sahtu. The prime example of education is the small pilot project in Fort Good Hope where they have a shop program where there is a young Grade 5 fellow, Bradley Kelly, who makes pens. Different organizations contribute to the Fort Good Hope school and in the vision of the Education department, I want to ask the Minister when he foresees types of homemade shops that would be available for other schools in the Sahtu in terms of improving the students and the trades that can be improved in the smaller communities for future potential jobs that may be coming. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 76

Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The Member has identified an area where we have a critical shortage of facilities across the Northwest Territories. That is in shops and opportunities for young students to gain hands-on education experience. We are hopeful that true partnership, which that's exactly how the project got going in Fort Good Hope that the principal and community was able to strike with businesses in the region. They were able to outfit that shop and get materials for the program. We are hoping that we are going to see more and more of that. We have good examples in the Beaufort-Delta.

We have some here in Yellowknife and in the South Slave, as well. It's a situation where right now we are relying on partnerships to deliver that kind of programming. We have, as part of the Northern Strategy discussions, proposed that we be funded for a number of mobile shop units. We would use those then to travel around to the various communities to provide some hands-on training in those communities, in particular, where we don't have the ability to put a room in a school and provide a shop service. Thank you.

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Page 77

The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Final supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 77

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, a lot of our students in the small communities have a talent for hands-on programs and the shop program is one of them that could be a success in the small communities. Would the Minister consider other facilities that may be used in the communities to enhance the shop programs for our schools? MACA, DPW and other organizations sometimes have shops available for students. Would he consider that in the time frame before launching into a different program that would see these types of shops in schools permanently? Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Page 77

Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I think that's a great idea. We should find ways for schools to take advantage of other facilities that might be in communities. It's certainly something that we welcome. So it's already a possibility. We also encourage young people in school to get involved in apprenticeships and through the Schools North Apprenticeship Program, young people can gain hands-on experience and get credits towards their CTS courses, as well as time put in towards an apprenticeship. So we do have a number of different opportunities. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Page 77

The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Minister Dent . Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Question 40-15(4): Income Support Policies For Special Needs Cases

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 77

Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question today is for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment and it's with regard to the Member's statement that I made earlier. Madam Speaker, I know the Minister is very well aware of the issues I outlined in that statement, and that has to do with the fact that the Income Support Program that we have now is engineered and oriented for those who are in need of temporary help from the government, in between jobs or for whatever reason they need some social assistance until they get back on their feet. Some of them take longer than others.

Persons with disabilities have a completely different set of requirements and we know that some of them may never be able to get back to work and they shouldn't be subject to the program that is oriented for some other need. I know that the department and the government are reviewing its policies and I would like to know where the Minister is with that review. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 77

The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr Dent.

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Page 77

Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I agree with the Member's assertions to how the program should cater to those who have disabilities or, for that matter, people who are seniors. There are different reasons for people participating in the program and the program needs to accommodate those differences.

We are in the process of working through the redesign of the Income Support Program. We are at the point where we are going to be going back to committee very shortly with some suggestions for how our policies could be accommodated to deal with the different people in the different categories. We have committed to go back to the committee, Madam Speaker, to discuss the issue the Member brings up; that is how the program redesign would deal with those who are disabled or those who are seniors. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 77

Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Absolutely, there is a process on the way but I think it's good for us to air out our ideas and the process we are following. I would like to ask the Minister where the department and the Minister stands with respect to the possibility of treating those with disabilities differently than those who are on income support in a regular manner. For some public policy reasons, income support is quite low. One of the reasons, whether it's accepted or not, is to encourage the people to get off the system and get better income options wherever possible.

That is not the case and that's not workable for those with disabilities. Is the Minister considering in his review to increase the assistance available for those with disabilities over what they get now? Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 77

Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The program right now already provides increased assistance for people who are on disability. There is an extra $300 a month for people who are considered disabled. So right now, there is an increased allowance.

Having said that, the Member has made a point that I am quite prepared to agree to and that is the purpose of supporting people through the Income Support Program who are disabled is one of providing an opportunity for citizenship. So as we redesign the program, I will be working with my colleagues to try to determine what is an appropriate level of support. That's absolutely where we are headed with this; to take a look at the levels of support. The next step in this is to take a look at program redesign options. In that process, we will be involving stakeholders.

So people like the Council for Persons with Disabilities. We will involve them in this consultative process, as well as other stakeholders. We are intending to try to respond to the different needs that different people have for the program. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Thank you, Minister Dent . Supplementary, Ms. Lee .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 78

Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I think that is where we should be heading. Madam Speaker, in his work, I wonder if there is any study or research going on as to what numbers we are dealing with. I think there is a very small segment of the population who is severely disabled, whether physically or cognitively, and who are not going to be able to partake in the mainstream working world. They need the help of the government. If the government could help them, with the help of family and friends, they can function relatively well in a situation that doesn't have to be institutional.

I would like to know whether in this review process a study is being done as to what sort of needs we are looking at. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Page 78

Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Absolutely, we will have that kind of assessment information done as we work through the redesign process, largely because I am going to have to come back to this Assembly for money to pay for whatever program we design. So all of those numbers will be available, yes.

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I know that the Minister is proposing to bring this to the committee. Could the Minister indicate any time frame as to when the stakeholders outside of this Assembly will be able to partake in this discussion? Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I am actually meeting with the department tomorrow to update the process and the timelines, but I would expect that we would be ready for the public part of the redesign process no later than the end of June or early July. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Braden .

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Question 41-15(4): Relocation Of The Territorial Treatment Centre

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 78

Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My questions this afternoon are for the Minister of Health and Social Services on the issue of the announced transfer and the decision to move the TTC, the treatment centre for behaviourally disabled youngsters, from Yellowknife to Hay River. The Minister said on Friday, in relation to another issue, that it makes sense to have the services as close to the people as possible. At the risk of taking his message or his intent out of context, I really do believe that in this case there is a very strong similarity.

Madam Speaker, 75 percent of the young residents are from Yellowknife and north, yet we are looking at moving the facility to a community that is even further away. If the idea is to have the services as close as possible to the people it serves, how do these two square? Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Page 78

The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Braden . The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Page 78

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, dialysis is a requirement when you have been diagnosed with that need and it tends to be there for the rest of your life unless you get a kidney transplant. That's somewhat different than the assessment and treatment services that TTC provides or Bosco provides through TTC, which are assessment and up to two years of possible treatment in a residential setting.

Madam Speaker, you can also look at the numbers in the North in a number of ways. Between 30 to 40 percent or 60 to 70 percent of those accessing the program were from communities outside of Yellowknife. What we have is an opportunity here to move a program to a community that has the capacity to do the job. I have indicated in this House the rationale why last week and that rationale still stands. Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Supplementary, Mr. Braden .

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Madam Speaker, in relation to the comments about the ability of Hay River to provide the services, I am getting some very strong messages, very solid information, that indicates there would be a real ripple effect, not only for the Territorial Treatment Centre, but a number of other related services in my community in Yellowknife. So I want to ask the Minister again to justify why this decision has been made. According to media reports, the requests aren't before this House yet, but some $3 million will be sought to pay for these changes.

Why are we being asked to accept this proposal now, this plan, this decision? Why are we being asked to accept this decision now when there really isn't a solid plan in place that would explain how we are going to deal with the consequences? Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, as I indicated in this House, a decision has been made to relocate TTC to Hay River. It's going to be a process that is going to take some time. There are some renovations to be done. We will come forward in the business planning process with the details

of the move. I have also committed in the next day or two to provide this House, the chair of the Social Programs committee and her colleagues, with information that got us to this point. That is the process and this is going to take some time. The business plan is where we intend to come forward with the transitional steps we are working on at present. Thank you.

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Thank you, Minister Miltenberger . Supplementary, Mr. Braden .

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Madam Speaker, one of the things I will be looking for to test the Minister's rationale and his explanation can be found in a policy document, Health and Social Services establishment policy, which was last revised in May of 1999. This policy lists seven principles, Madam Speaker, the seventh of which says, "All activities of the health and social services system should support an approach that places the needs of people first." Will the Minister be able to bring us a rationale that is going to support this principle, this people-first principle? Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, we always put people first, and this program delivered by Bosco Homes is going to be relocated to Hay River to provide the same service. We will have the same expertise that we currently have with Bosco Homes, the folks they can tie into with their broad network outside of the Northwest Territories. So there is no diminishment, in my opinion, in the program quality. We would definitely not jeopardize any northerner, any child, in care for any reason. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final supplementary, Mr. Braden .

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Madam Speaker, the first principle, huge principle, of this Assembly, not just the Department of Health and Social Services or any department, all of our attention should be focussed on people first. In this particular situation, Madam Speaker, I am not convinced that we are going to be honouring this principle. Will the Minister rescind this decision until a business plan is placed before us and the people of this community to prove that indeed we are going to be making this move and still honour the principles and the mandate that we have to supply this service? Will the Minister back off on this plan? Thank you.

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An Hon. Member

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, my ears are still filled with the echoes of the debate in the last session of this House on a similar circumstance that was put forward by the Member for Hay River South on a circumstance that is somewhat related to this in terms of their community and the impact on their community. Unfortunately, the reality is that in this case, not unfortunately, but the reality is in this case, Madam Speaker, we are tasked to carry out a certain project and a move and we are doing that, and we will come forward in the business plan to lay out the detail. We will be proceeding under that direction. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Minister Miltenberger . Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 79

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, my questions today are to the Minister of MACA in regard to the chipseal program in the Sahtu. I understand they are doing a report and review. What can the Minister tell the people in the Sahtu, specifically the citizens of Fort Good Hope, in terms of what type of support they will achieve this year on their chipsealing program because of the enormous amount of dust that is flying through people's windows, and what type of program the people will see in terms of the chipsealing program? Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. McLeod.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Madam Speaker, the Member had asked about the chipsealing program I believe in the last day of session, and I had indicated that this year our focus is on Tuktoyaktuk and Fort McPherson. We're also doing some of the early work or have done some already in the community of Fort Good Hope. We're doing some of the drainage studies and some of the work to the base that's required. I would point out though that the chipsealing program is only for the main street. It does not allow us to pave the whole community.

The dust problem in the small communities was always historically dealt with through application of calcium. The dollars are still in the community governments' budgets. It is up to the communities to do so. The Department of Municipal and Community Affairs has no intention of going into each community and doing dust suppressant. We have a main street chipsealing program that will be allocated through a number of years to the different communities as per our schedule. Good Hope is one of the communities, but it won't be for a couple of years yet to when we get to the point of actually laying the chipseal.

So until that happens, the community is expected to use the money that is allocated in their budget to do some type of dust suppressant in the community. Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Minister McLeod . Supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 80

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Thanks to the Minister for the update. In Fort Good Hope and the other communities of Deline and Colville Lake, a lot of people live along the main street and there are more vehicles than ever using the roads in the small communities. The chipsealing program is for the main street only, and that's where my bone of contention is in terms of having this program in the small communities. The dust control suppression money doesn't last very long because it deteriorates after several rainy days and it goes away and the dust comes back because the formula does not hold the dust down.

So again, Madam Speaker, in terms of the chipsealing program, Fort Good Hope was slated and somehow it got moved back a couple of years. I know they were doing work there last year. People were looking forward to the chipsealing program. So what more can the department do to help the communities, especially the people who live close to the main roads, and curtail the dust in the communities this summer? It is going to be a hot and dry season. Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . That was a very long

preamble to a supplementary question. I would suggest that was actually a Member's statement, but, Minister McLeod .

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, the Member is correct; the main street chipsealing program was reduced this year as our program had to cut the funding. So we had to reduce some of our activities in the different communities. Fort Good Hope is deferred by one year because of our budget restrictions. We've planned to have the community targeted as soon as Tuktoyaktuk and Fort McPherson are done. Having said that, we are also completing a study that we had a contractor do for us to look at the different conditions in the communities to see if there are any other options or solutions out there.

The study is now complete. We are in the process of reviewing it. It will come forward with some recommendations and we would be pleased to share that information with the members of the different committees. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

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Thank you, Minister McLeod . Supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, the four months, May up to August, is 120 days that the community of Fort Good Hope has to go through the dust season. Would the Minister commit to helping the community get more money or asking his Cabinet to get more money so that more effective use of dust control can be used in the community in the interim, because it has been deferred for the one year? Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Madam Speaker, I'm not sure if the Member is asking me to commit additional dollars to his community of Good Hope. The program was reduced and Fort Good Hope has been deferred for one year. However, there is already an allocation and has been historically an allocation to the community government funding to deal with dust. The community also has the option to invest in dust control if that is a priority. We do not dictate where the communities should invest their money. If they spend it in other areas, that is the community's decision.

So we can certainly indicate to the Member that we have a study that is complete. We'll share that information that will indicate what the best option is for the community of Fort Good Hope. If he's asking me to put in more money, at this point I don't think I can commit to that, but I certainly will commit to looking for some long-term solutions for dealing with some of the dust in the communities. That's a real priority. We've heard it over and over in our visits to the community. So I will commit to that, but not to additional funding at this point.

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The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Minister McLeod . Final supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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