Debates of Oct. 18th, 1996

This is page numbers 1275 - 1321 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was questions .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Minister Absent From The House

Power Corporation Scholarships

Digital Communications Network Announcement

New High School Course: Fox Trapping In Nunavut

The Need To Improve Flight Services In The Baffin Region

Infrastructure For NWT Mine Training Program

Principles And Meaning Of Democracy

Members Statement 348-13(3): First Anniversary Of The Election Of The 13th Assembly

Future Reductions And Difficulties Facing The 13th Assembly

Dress And Decorum In The Chamber

Acceptance Of Differences And New Ideas

Sale Of GNWT Staff Houses In Pelly Bay

New User Pay/user Say Mail System

Members Statement 354-13(3): Recognition Of Elders In The North

Concerns With Changes To The Senior's Fossil Fuel Subsidy

Recognition Of Constitutional Working Group Members

Flowers In The Chamber

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Return To Oral Question 377-13(3): Changes To The Ultimate Removal Process

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 6: Oral Questions

Igloolik Request For Transfer Of Social Services

Pelly Bay Co-op's Interest In Staff Houses

Cultural Events At 1997 Canada Games In Brandon

Changes To Projected 1996-97 Deficit

Ensuring Housing For Northern Teachers

Changes To The Capital Plan Regarding Furnishings

Canada Infrastructure Program

Meeting Of The Cabinet Committee On Division

Environmental Protection And Restoration

Jurisdiction Over Aboriginal Inmates In Southern Institutions

Return To 536-13(3): Jurisdiction Over Aboriginal Inmates In Southern Institutions

Further Return To Supplementary Question 536-13(3): Jurisdiction Over Aboriginal Inmates In Southern

Final Return To Supplementary Question 536-13(3): Jurisdiction Over Aboriginal Inmates In Southern

Confidentiality Of Health Records

Lack Of Background On Northwestel

Further Return To Supplementary Question 538-13(3): Lack Of Background On Northwestel

GNWT Ultimate Removal Provisions

Return To Supplementary 539-13(3): GNWT Ultimate Removal Provisions

Further Return To Supplementary 539-13(3): GNWT Ultimate Removal Provisions

Final Return To Supplementary Question 539-13(3): GNWT Ultimate Removal Provisions

Impacts Of Mining On Nearby Residents

Return To Supplementary 540-13(3): Impacts Of Mining On Nearby Residents

Further Return To Supplementary 540-13(3): Impacts Of Mining On Nearby Residents

Final Return To Supplementary 540-13(3): Impacts Of Mining On Nearby Residents

Means Of Providing Adequate Fuel Subsidies For Seniors

Policy On Health Related Travel

Application Of Affirmative Action Policy

Mechanisms To Ensure Trained Managers

Inquest Into Hall Beach Fatality

Property Management Contract

Report On Affirmative Action

NWT Liquor Commission Annual Report

Question: 549-13(3): Installation Of Digital Communications Network

Question: 550-13(3): Sale Of GNWT Staff Housing

Question: 551-13(3): Contractual Arrangements Beyond 1999

Question: 552-13(3): Guaranteed Buy-back Housing Policy

Number Of Houses Bought Back To March 31, 1996

Item 7: Written Questions

Item 8: Returns To Written Questions

Return To Written Question 7-13(3): New Ultimate Removal Assistance Guidelines

Item 9: Replies To Opening Address

Item 10: Petitions

Item 11: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees

Item 12: Reports On The Committee On The Review Of Bills

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Tabled Document 116-13(3): Treaty Number 8 Made June 21, 1899 And Adhesions, Reports, Etc.

Tabled Document 117-13(3): Report Of The Situation Of Inuit Inmates In The Bowden Institution

Tabled Document 118-13(3):

Article Produced By "mandate West" - Canadian Federation Of Independent Business Regarding Private Sector Subsidies

Tabled Document 119-13(3): Letter And Resolutionrregarding Tourism From The NWT Treaty 8 Tribal Council

Tabled Document 120-13(3): Letter From The Dene Nation To The Hon. Ron Irwin Regarding Tl'oondih Healing Camp

Item 14: Notices Of Motions

Item 15: Notices Of Motions For First Reading Of Bills

Support For Community Empowerment

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 21: Third Reading Of Bills

Members Present

Hon. James Antoine, Hon. Goo Arlooktoo , Hon. Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Hon. Samuel Gargan , Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Kelvin Ng , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Hon. John Todd ., Mr. Ningark , Mr. Rabesca

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Yes, Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Mr. Speaker, I find the Honourable Member for Iqaluit is not wearing a necktie and I find that it would be inappropriate that it is not traditional dress that he is wearing and I ask that he correct that, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Under the rules of decorum, the rule states that (12.9): "When in the Assembly every Member shall be attired in native dress or in a manner appropriate to the dignity of the Assembly". If you have a collar, then you wear a tie, but he has a military collar, so, how do you wear a tie on a military collar? I ask for the Member's explanation on that because there is a difference, one a tie is appropriate, and one it is not appropriate. Perhaps, you may want to clarify that, Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I do not recognize the types of collar that the Honourable Member has on, so I would think, Mr. Speaker, I would think that he would be able to wear a tie with that, but if it is deemed that that is suitable, then obviously that is your ruling, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Is there any other Member that wishes to comment on that? The point of order, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have been...(laughter). Thank you, I am Canadian and very proud of it...(laughter), and a Canadian's fan I might add. Mr. Speaker I have shirts similar to those worn by the Member of Iqaluit and in order to try to meet the code of the House, or what I thought was the code of the House I have been wearing string ties with those, as a sign of respect to the House; however, that just was my option. I was not aware that we had the latitude. Thank you.

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Mr. Picco .

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As anyone who accepts and respects the decorum of this House, it would be me. When I reviewed the rule book this morning I did note the section, as you did, that as long as the shirt that I am wearing today, Mr. Speaker, which was a gift from my poor, dear old mom...(laughter)...does not have a tie, but it is, as it is, it is called a polo shirt and, ah, if a priest can wear it with decorum, then I am very proud to...(laughter)...the problem. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Mr. Ootes , point of order.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, I wonder if, since Mr. Picco has referred to the clergy, if he could tell us if he may be a lay minister in some sort of capacity, and then perhaps we could recognize his shirt.

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The rules do make any reference to the kind of dress he used, but it does make reference to the way you dress would be appropriate for the Chamber itself and I understand that the Member did feel offended by it and, it is a difficult situation, and I do not mind saying that now. Maybe I will ask the Clerk's advice on this one. (Laughter). David?

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Thank you, we will continue to, we are not clear, I am not clear which direction the Members' are asking for...I am sure, like, there are a number of times when Members' feel offended by the kind of ties you are used to, so, Mr. Kakfwi , a point of order.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I would like to speak to the issue on the point of order. It is my view that the guidelines that we have now are not gender-neutral. That is there are primarily focused on the dress that ourselves, the men, are subject to a different standard than the women in the legislature, for instance, there is no mention that there is a requirement to wear ties for the women and what is acceptable and unacceptable dress, so, I believe that the shirt that Mr. Picco has on is acceptable, in my view, because it is neat, it is a shirt that is worn by different nationalities and occupations.

People who are in Canada and are shirts worn by people in different occupations. I think he mentioned the clergy. I find that the more flexibility we are given in the dress we wear would allow for still those of us who do not look so tidy with ties on, may find ourselves looking even tidier with the type of shirt that Mr. Picco has occasioned to find himself in this morning.

We find there is no mention on the type of facial expression we should be wearing in this House, and that would seem to be more in need of attention than the type of shirt we put on. Thank you.

--- Laughter.

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The Speaker

I will say to the Members' now that this rule has been there since before my time and it has not changed with the times, either. I also realize that military style collars of shirts is one of the new styles that are now in the marketplace and so, perhaps maybe the rules are inappropriate for the times that we are in now and, if Mr. Ng would accept it, perhaps we can allow that type of shirt to be appropriate for the House, but if he feels offended, yet, then I will ask maybe Mr. Picco to put an appropriate string tie or bow tie or a neck tie. So, Mr. Ng , would you wish to maybe accept the way things are now or do you still feel offended? The debate is closed on this now, Okay? Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I did not realize that I had caused this much of a debate on this issue, Mr. Speaker. I certainly do not have any offense to the honourable Member wearing the shirt since his Mother gave it to him. Thank you.

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Thank you. Mr. Ng , it is very much appreciated. Perhaps in the future, I would like to ask Members, if they feel discomfort about the way they enter the chamber, that they ask for advice on whether or not it is appropriate. We do not have to run into this type of situation every time. A Member comes into the House, and I also realize that all the Members on this side are new Members and perhaps they are in the learning process too, so I appreciate your cooperation Mr. Ng .

Orders of the day. Ministers' statement. Mr. Morin .

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Minister's Statement 124-13(3): Minister Absent From The House

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to advise Members that the Honourable Manitok Thompson will be absent from the House today to attend to a personal matter. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you. Ministers' statement, Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 125-13(3): Power Corporation Scholarships

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the NWT Power Corporation is proud of its record of encouraging the development of a Northern workforce through apprenticeship and operator training programs. Not only do they benefit the employees, they benefit the customers through better efficiency, safety and reliability.

Three years ago, in addition to its own training, the Corporation started a scholarship program, to open up opportunities for further education for other NWT residents.

This year, Mr. Speaker, I take pleasure in announcing the award of the scholarships, each worth $1,000, to two young women in the medical and geological sciences.

The first is awarded in consultation with the Dogrib Divisional Board of Education. It goes to Ms. Brenda Beaulieu of Rae Edzo, who has started a four year program of nursing studies at Red Deer College.

The other scholarship is awarded by the Corporation to the NWT high school graduate with the highest average standing in grade 12 examinations. This year, the award goes to Ms. Allison Marshall of Yellowknife, who is pursuing an Honours degree in geology, along with a philosophy degree, at the University of Calgary.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank the Members of this Assembly who helped promote these scholarships among their constituencies and extend the best wishes of this Assembly to Ms. Marshall and Ms. Beaulieu. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Dent . Ministers' statement. Ministers' statement, Mr. Todd .

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Minister's Statement 126-13(3): Digital Communications Network Announcement

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am pleased to announce today that the government has selected its partner for the development of the digital communications network that was first announced to this Assembly during the Budget Address in May.

This decision is an important step in a long process to improve and modernize the communications network in the NWT as we prepare to enter the twenty first century.

To ensure that northerners have access to the opportunities presented by a modern communications network, the GNWT has taken the step of acting as the anchor tenant to get this network off the ground.

Equally as important, Mr. Speaker, was the requirement to make this increases service available on a fee for service basis to other levels of government, businesses, non-profit organizations, and individual citizens across the Territories. The implementation of the publicly accessible high speed data communications network holds tremendous potential to provide new spin off opportunities for northern companies and residents.

Mr. Speaker, three companies responded to the request for proposals. Over the past two and a half months, we have analyzed the proposals and met with two of the proponents to review their proposals and ask further detailed questions. Based on this detailed analysis, I am pleased to announce that the successful proponent is Ardicom Digital Communications Inc., a northern owned and operated company. The equal owners of Ardicom are: Arctic Co-operatives, NASCO, the Northern Aboriginal Services Corporation, and NorthwesTel.

Arctic Co-operatives Ltd. is the co-operative federation for 41 community based co-operatives across the Territories. In addition to numerous other services, Arctic Co-ops run cable TV distribution systems in a number of NWT communities.

NASCO is owned by four aboriginal development corporations; Denendeh Development Corporation, Yukon First Nations, Nunasi Corporation, and the Inuvialuit Corporation. NASCO is experienced in providing services and operating facilities throughout the North.

I want to emphasize that this network will be available to every community across the Territories. Through services such as distance education, tele-medicine and electronic delivery of government services, we will be able to improve services while avoiding spiral costs.

Members will be aware that the major user departments have already identified funding in their business plans for the cost of this service. We expect other departments and organizations to utilize this service as opportunities for service improves and cost reductions become available to them.

The request for proposal requires that the network be completed by March 31, 1999. We remain committed to this deadline in order to ensure that the network is completely in place by the time this Territory divides and in time for the new Territory of Nunavut to take full use of its capacity to support a decentralized structure and operations. However, we are also hopeful that this time frame can be shortened to make the entire network operational prior to that date.

Once negotiations with Ardicom Digital Communications have been concluded, I will provide Members of this House and the residents of the NWT, with the further details of the plans to implement this exciting project. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 127-13(3): New High School Course: Fox Trapping In Nunavut

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Quyannimik Ohakte. I am pleased to inform the Assembly of an initiative that will strengthen the importance of aboriginal culture and traditional skills in Eastern Arctic schools.

The Keewatin Divisional Education Council has just published "Fox Trapping in Nunavut". This course if offered through the career and technology studies curriculum. It takes its direction from the Inuuqatigiit curriculum and the cultural programs developed by the Keewatin Divisional Education Council and, in earlier days, by the Inuit Cultural Institute in Arviat.

The "Fox Trapping in Nunavut" module promotes traditional and contemporary Inuit knowledge and skills. By awarding students high school credit for successfully completing the course, the education system is recognising the importance of traditional knowledge and skills in an academic setting.

The successful development of this module is the result of the cooperation of elders, trappers, community organizations, and schools, as well as the Departments of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, and Education, Culture and Employment.

I would like to thank the people who participated in developing this new course of study, and would particularly like to recognise the Keewatin Divisional Education Council for its central role.

It further emphasizes our commitment to developing an educational system which is founded on the cultures of the Northwest Territories.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you. Ministers' statement. Members' statement. Members' statement, Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Member's Statement 345-13(3): The Need To Improve Flight Services In The Baffin Region

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translator) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I acknowledge the transportation benefits we can access with First Air and I am very proud that this is an Inuit owned airline serving the Baffin region, however, this company has become too corporate minded as it is the only airline serving the particular region - the area in the road between the communities of Hall Beach, Pond Inlet and Igloolik. Perhaps if there was much needed competition in the airline industry at this time, services could be improved.

The rates have also become too high.

Perhaps a service that involves passengers only could be introduced in our region. Too often passengers are getting bumped off because of lack of seats for these three communities of Amittuq. Currently this airline has direct route between the traditionally close communities of Igloolik, Hall Beach and Pond Inlet. As a further inconvenience to get back and forth between these two communities, each trip includes a stop over Iqaluit both ways.

As I mentioned, these communities are traditionally linked and relatives are spread out in each settlement. In the event of death, families have to put together their own money, which is costly enough without the exuberation of Iqaluit stop over being included in the high rates of air travel. It is important that families have easier access to transportation that enables them to visit one another. I would encourage some healthy competition and services from Air Baffin and First Air in the Baffin to try new, direct flights from my region.

I would like to state between the routes of Hall Beach and Igloolik, there is a one hour stop over, and if I were to go to Pond Inlet returning to Igloolik, I would have to sleep over night in Iqaluit and travel to Pond Inlet the next day. This is what I wanted to indicate to the House. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you. Members' statement, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Member's Statement 346-13(3): Infrastructure For NWT Mine Training Program

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just before I start my statement, I would just like to commend some of the Members for the efforts they are making in increasing the quality of ties in this Assembly, bringing some colour and a little bit of life into this sombre place where men are relegated to funeral colours of brown, grey and blue. I recognize Mr. O'Brien , for instance, very, very good effort. Mr. Todd as well. ? and paisley. If he just had his bell bottoms on he would be right at home.

Mr. Speaker, my colleague from Yellowknife North has spoken often and ...

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The Speaker

Just to remind the Members that Members' statement is very clear on the type of statements that you make in the House, and under the item Members' statement, a Member may make a statement on any matter. The speaker may order a Member, who makes improper use of his Members' statement, to take his or her seat. Statements made under the rules shall not exceed two and a half minutes, shall be confined to one matter, and one matter only; shall be limited to one statement per day by any member. Have you concluded your statement on the quorum in this matter?

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Ms. Speaker, I believe I can tie my comments in to the point I want to make, and it is a very serious one, and it is the ties that are necessary as we move into the 21st century on the issue of mine training. And that kind of ties ...

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The Speaker

I would like to remind the members that when you make your statement you keep it to one item and one matter only. I will allow you to make your statement Mr. Miltenberger because I do not know if you know like make short comments before your statement ... you can not make two comments because it is going to be looked, viewed as two statements. Mr. Miltenberger , to your Members' statement.

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Member's Statement 346-13(3): Infrastructure For NWT Mine Training Program

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank you for your indulgence and flexibility. Twice today with shirts and now with this, thank you.

Mr. Speaker, my colleague from Yellowknife North has spoken in this House about the need for NWT residents to be able to take advantage of the many opportunities in the mining industry. Just yesterday he talked about the need for a mining institute.

Mr. Speaker, I agree whole heartedly. We do need a way to train northerners for the jobs mining can provide. I also think we should be providing the training for a full range of opportunities in the natural resources sector. Not just mining, but also oil and gas. Is there a need for brand new buildings to provide this training? No. As the government of a territory, we do not need to build new infrastructure for natural resource training. Industry representatives have said what is important is not a fancy facility. What is important is to develop a centre of knowledge and learning here in the North.

We have the administrative organization in place to provide this training already through Aurora College. Thebacha campus with the support of existing government infrastructure in Fort Smith could easily accommodate a mine training program. Aurora Campus in Inuvik is similarly ready to provide part of the program directed to oil and gas exploration. Training can be delivered in other communities from these two bases of operation.

Mr. Speaker, on November 7, we are doing something concrete in order to try to establish programs northerners need. On that day, I will be co-hosting along with Aurora College a mine training symposium in Fort Smith. Representatives from our colleges, the mining industry and other interested people will be meeting to lay the plans to make the natural resources department of Aurora College a reality.

Mr. Speaker, I hope as a result of this symposium to which a number of MLAs and ministers have been invited, that I hope the result of this symposium, the Minister of Culture, Education and Employment will be in this House early in the new year, announcing the establishment of the Aurora College Natural Resources Program. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Members' statement, Mr. Henry . Mr. Henry ?

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Member's Statement 347-13(3): Principles And Meaning Of Democracy

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do not think there is anyone here who would disagree that Canada is the best place in the world to live. People in the United Nations think so. The fact that Canada is a democracy is probably the single most important factor in Canada being such a wonderful nation, but it is a factor that we often take for granted. I think it would be worthwhile to review exactly what being a democracy means.

While the concept of democracy originated in Greece it's feel expression in the modern era arose from the American revolution, 220 years ago. The principles adopted by the new American nation are, with minor variations, those which have been democracies around the world, including Canada.

The Declaration of Independence summarizes beautifully what democracy really means. We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal. That they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. Democracy, in short, is a system of government where people exercise power. As part of Canada we in the Northwest Territories also govern ourselves according to democratic principles.

Important decisions about the governing of the Northwest Territories are made by the people. Most often these decisions are made by elected representatives, especially the Members of this House.

The decisions of great importance are best left to people themselves to decide without intermediaries. This is why we have referendums and plebiscites. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Member for Yellowknife South is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his

statement. Do we have any nays. There are no nays, Mr. Henry , you have unanimous consent.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We all recognize that the division of the Northwest Territories in 1999 is a fundamental change to the make up of our country. For the first time in fifty years the map of Canada will change. While the views and opinions of elected representatives have been important in the road to division...two very crucial decisions where northerners entrusted only to the people of the Northwest Territories. The decision about whether to divide at all and end the decision about where to divide were both too important and too far-reaching to leave to elected representatives, alone.

These decisions could be made through the free equal and democratic vote of all northerners. We now come to another such critical decisions. The constitution that will be established for the new western territory will be of critical importance to the democratic development of the government of this part of Canada, and therefore, as with the division and boundary issues it is too important to be left solely to the elected representatives of the people. While our views and opinions will be very important, the final decision must be left to the people.

That is why I appreciate the reassurance of the Honourable Premier , yesterday, in responding to concerns that my Honourable colleague from Nunakput, the Premier outlined the principles that will guide the ratification of a new constitution and his response, the democratic process, to bring in legislation on the ratification of the constitution and the principle of one person, one vote, which is a direct consequence of the principle that all people are created equal. These are critical principles of democracy that we must abide by in order to retain the confidence of the people of the Northwest Territories.

The next few months will be crucial in this process. The famous British author, Huxley, once said, the survival of democracy depends on the ability of large numbers of people to make realistic choices in the light of adequate information. While I have the faith in the ability of all residents of the western territory to be able to make a realistic choice in the matter of a new constitution.

Over the next few months beginning with the release of the proposed draft of the constitution last Wednesday, we will ensure that all residents of the new western territory will indeed have that adequate information to permit them to make a choice which will guide their government for decades to come.

I look forward to the day when all adult residents of the western territory will vote to decide how they will be governed. I thank the Premier for reassuring my colleagues, that all northerners, that the principle of democracy are now, and always in will remain, the foundation of our structure of government. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Henry . Members' Statement, Mr. Rabesca .

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Members Statement 348-13(3): First Anniversary Of The Election Of The 13th Assembly

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker today is the last day of the Third Session of the 13th Assembly. There is also two days past the anniversary of our election. In the time since our election we have grown and become more confident in our positions. This has certainly been evident during these last sessions, with all Members becoming more active during the discussions and committee meetings, as well, here in the Chamber.

I think we have done a good job representing our constituents, as well as, our (inaudible) government responsibilities (inaudible), to the concerns, our recommendations. Over the next few months we will continue to provide constituents with our voice here in the Chamber as well as working on the many issues that we face. The western Territory now has a draft constitution that needs to be discussed and ratified.

We also have the deficit that must be brought under control and the organizations of the departments, to name a few. These are difficult times we are in but we must be diligent to take care of the people that we represent. It is our job to ensure that constituency issues are heard and responded to. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Rabesca . Members' Statement, Mr. Picco .

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Member's Statement 349-13(3): Future Reductions And Difficulties Facing The 13th Assembly

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the large debt of the past will have to be paid for over the life of the 13th Assembly. The MLA's of the 13th Assembly have inherited an unlucky number and task. When I review some of the potential $100,000,000 in cuts that we have announced that will have to be done over the next 12 months, I get sick to my stomach.

I was not elected to inflict pain on my constituents, my friends, my neighbours, my family, but I do realize that we have to take the pain now so that our children will not pay in the future for said large debt.

My Speaker, I have only been home four days since September 16th. I will not get home to my family before November 1st. It is very difficult to concentrate at the job at hand, when you worry about your wife, and family. While, I was elected to do this job and I have done the best that I could have, even though some hon. colleagues prefer that I would not ask any questions, or wear funny shirts. Well, it also comes with this territory.

Over the next two weeks as we review the business plans of this government and reflect on what we will be doing, I want to assure my constituents and the people of the Northwest Territories that this work is not taken lightly by any Member, and for the two people who came to see me last night at my apartment I understand your frustration, and concern, as I said before, when Mike Harris lays off 30,000 people in Ontario he does not know them, he does not see them everyday like this Assembly does. When I shop at The Bay and buy my groceries I see the affected people. We as MLA's see these people, they are our friends, relatives, and neighbours.

Mr. Speaker, I look forward to seeing my family and relatives when I return home finally on the 1st of November. The soul searching will continue, Mr. Speaker, but we cannot micro-manage the budget or cuts, but we can, at least, reflect and adjust our plans to take into account the logistic and administrative realities of the day. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Picco . Members' Statement, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Member's Statement 350-13(3): Dress And Decorum In The Chamber

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is Friday today and do not usually take the opportunity to take a lighter note, but, today I would like to comment on my view from my assigned seat in this House. I am certain that election results in no way pertain or have any bearing on one's looks; however, like Mr. Miltenberger , I would like to commend my colleagues on the other side of the House for their attention to grooming and apparel decorum.

When I become bored with their words, which is hardly ever, of course, I can admire their choice of presentation which is second to none, and I would particularly like to comment on the efforts and measures recently taken by my Honourable colleague from Iqaluit, who, tie or no tie, is looking very dapper, of late.

He returned to this House very proud of a new wardrobe, new contact lenses, and the dawning of a new lapel pin, which verifies his recent induction into the Order of Knights of Templer of Balderdash

Chapter One. I hope all Members of this House will agree that Mr. Picco is a candidate for the cover of the GQ Magazine. (Laughter). I appreciate, as I know, does the media, obviously, that Mr. Picco 's efforts to enhance my view in this House are greatly appreciated. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Members' statement, Mr. Kakfwi .

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Member's Statement 351-13(3): Acceptance Of Differences And New Ideas

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, as I was saying yesterday I wanted to speak about not being afraid of new ideas, not being afraid of confronting our fears when we deal with new ideas and when we have to come face-to-face with people we do not know. As I was saying yesterday in 1977 my daughter who was around six at that time, after spending a week long hunting trip with me down the Mackenzie River between Providence and Fort Good Hope, then flew down to southwestern Ontario, with her mother.

For the first time in her young life she had an occasion to meet a number of her cousins and at that time I believe, she was still quite oblivious to the fact of being different from the rest of her cousins, at least, visually, and her young cousins having never seen what you would call a life, real Indian, except on T.V., or movies and comics, were quite worried when they heard that their young cousin's father was due to arrive there in a couple of days, and that he was, in fact, an Indian.

There was some apprehension and I think, I recall anyway, being told that my daughter sensing all this...the following day, finally announced quite loudly to everyone as if sensing that they needed some assurance said, "Don't worry, my dad doesn't shoot people, he just shoots ducks." Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi . Member's statement. Mr. Ningark .

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Member's Statement 352-13(3): Sale Of GNWT Staff Houses In Pelly Bay

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a letter here from the Koomiut Co-op in Pelly Bay, signed by the Co-op manager, regarding the sale of GNWT staff houses. Mr. Speaker, you will remember, about two weeks ago I made a statement regarding the Gjoa Haven Development Council Corporation wanting to acquire the GNWT houses, thereby leasing them to the GNWT employees. We have met with the Minister of Finance during the summer. A representative from the Hamlet of Pelly Bay has met with the Minister of Finance , wanting to acquire the government staff houses, and lease them to the current government employees in the community of Pelly Bay.

Since that time, a new development has come out in Pelly Bay. Now the Co-op is interested in acquiring the staff houses. Mr. Minister has indicated because of the legislation, regardless of the regulation, the hamlet may not be qualified or eligible to acquire the GNWT houses, and lease them to the employees. Mr. Speaker, later on, at the appropriate time, I will be posing a question to the appropriate Minister. If the hamlet is eligible, given that the rules apply, if the development corporation in the communities are eligible to purchase government houses, can the co-op in the community apply? Does the same rule apply to the co-ops in the communities? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Ningark . Member's statement. Mr. Ootes .

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Member's Statement 353-13(3): New User Pay/user Say Mail System

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am trying to get used to our new user say/user pay system, Mr. Speaker. It is with regards to our new mail system. I am trying to sort out in my mind how this works. We used to have a very simple system. You either put a stamp on, or you do not put a stamp on, and you take it to the central system. What is happening, it seems, is that if I write my name on the left hand side, and I take it to our central system, then I understand that it will be processed. I understand that a company will pick it up, they will put a stamp on it, and then they will bill me for the stamp. I understand, too, if I put a stamp on it, it seems we have done

that, and the envelope comes back to me. I understand I am not allowed to do that. So my EA has been kind of sneaking the envelopes in his jacket pocket, and walking it down to the post office. I guess my concern, Mr. Speaker, is, could we not just put a post office box outside the building here, and also clarify the system that we have. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Member's statement. Mr. Antoine .

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Members Statement 354-13(3): Recognition Of Elders In The North

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as we sit in this Chamber and debate the issues of the day here, in areas where it affects the lives of people everyday, life goes on in the communities for the people that we represent. Children are born, and people are passing away.

Yesterday, I attended the funeral of one of my great grand-uncles. He was 92 years old. His name was Julian Antoine. In our language we call him Eechea. This man lived many years on this land, and he was born out on the land, east of Fort Simpson, of the Willow River, north of the Horn Plateau, in a village that no longer exists, where many Dene used to live many years ago. He grew up out there on the land. They say that he was a very able man out on the land. He used to hunt and trap and fish. He was very capable as a Dene, to survive in that kind of environment.

Over the years, I was fortunate enough to know him and take direction from him, as one of the advisors to me. I remember that many times he used to call me and tell me a story of somebody that was not doing something right. It was always somebody else. All along in the story, he was talking about me. In this way, he gave me advice and direction, and to this day, I am very thankful for that type of advice that comes from our elders in the community.

I just wanted to also say that this man worked, not only on the land, but in developing the north. He says that he worked on the Distributor. This is a paddle-wheel, the first boats that went down the Mackenzie River. He has seen this whole country, right from Great Slave Lake down to the Delta. He has also worked for the RCMP, with dogs and dog-teams, and getting fish for the winter, and hunting for them in the wintertime.

People like that have to be recognized as helping development here in the north, and keeping our culture going. With that, I would like to thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mahsi.

---Applause.

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Member's Statement 355-13(3): Concerns With Changes To The Senior's Fossil Fuel Subsidy

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Everyone here in the House has a warm feeling for their grandparents. None of us can imagine them living in hardship, because of our government decision to start saving money at their expense. But this is exactly what is happening to the elders in my constituency, and the rest of the Northwest Territories. This government has made changes to the Seniors' Fossil Fuel Subsidy, in order to save. A single elder has to earn less than $13,000 a year, and a couple has to earn less than $31,000 a year. This means in order to qualify for the subsidy, it has to be made, that you are virtually on poverty.

Senior homeowners have also been hit in another way. This government recently axed the homeownership property tax rebate program. This takes away another small benefit from our seniors who have made an investment in their own homes. Our government has stated that our income support program is designed to make sure people are not left with the cost, and are not going hungry. This year, winter has arrived early. Ferry systems are shut down in the Mackenzie Delta. Grise Fiord were not able to get their supplies for the winter, because of the early winter season.

Weather will cause the prices in these communities to go up.

I hope the government is right, and is prepared to help people. We need to get our priorities straight. While this government cuts programs to seniors, and keeps programs which provide temporary finances for furnishings for Ministers, while they stay in Yellowknife. As we look at the business plans for next year, we need to take a good look at the big picture. Who is it going to hurt, where are the cuts going to come from. When we look at the priorities in regards to focusing on things close to home, and put faces and people to those cuts...Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent, to conclude my statement.

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The Member for Mackenzie Delta is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. You have unanimous consent, Mr. Krutko .

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Member's Statement 355-13(3): Concerns With Changes To The Senior's Fossil Fuel Subsidy

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. When I look at the priorities, I am also trying to focus on things close to home, I see the needs, not just to the seniors but also the youth. Last year, Fort McPherson had the unfortunate luck of having its school burn to the ground. Today construction of the new school has been scheduled. The children in the community have no place to go for recreation, except the skating rink. They also have no recreation equipment, which has been lost in the loss of the school. Recreation is a great way to encourage children to live a healthy lifestyle.

Even as we cut programs, we need to encourage wellness among the youth. I would like to ask individuals, Members of this House, communities across the Northwest Territories, to consider donating any recreation equipment you can afford to keep the children in Fort McPherson busy and healthy this winter. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause.

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Member's Statement 356-13(3): Recognition Of Constitutional Working Group Members

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My statement is concerning the constitutional package that was released very recently, and which has been put forward for the public to look at, and to comment upon.

---Laughter.

...except for when they are snoring. I would also like to thank Bill Erasmus for taking the heat off me. He was the only person who was consistently arriving later than I was.

---Laughter.

I would also like to thank Jane Groenewegen for being there. She was also very quiet. Jane, it is hard to be heard from the hallways or your office.

---Laughter.

I would also like to thank the Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , for contributing greatly to the unity of the working group by not coming to the meetings.

---Laughter.

I would also like to thank Bob Simpson. People wonder why a non-aboriginal person represented the Gwich'in Tribal Council and the Inuvialuit. All I know is they call him Gwich'in Bob.

---Laughter.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to continue my statement.

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The Member for Yellowknife North is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. You have unanimous consent, Mr. Erasmus .

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Member's Statement 356-13(3): Recognition Of Constitutional Working Group Members

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I would also like to thank Richard Nerysoo who sat with us a few times. You will recall Mr. Nerysoo sat in this very House, with the last Assembly. He suddenly became an expert on aboriginal and treaty rights. He contributed greatly.

Mr. Speaker, I would also like to thank the staff, seriously, they worked long and hard hours, sometimes they had to come back for revisions and information on very short notice. They had to come back the next day after we had met late a night and they worked through their summer and weekends as well. I would like to thank them for all their work.

I would also like to thank the public who waited patiently for us to come up with something for them to discuss. I also just wanted to point out that the public, I hope, does not make up their mind about the package before they have had a chance to look at it and find out what is in the package. It is now the public's job to review the package, evaluate it, and to give us feedback, and then, of course, it is our job to then listen to the public and to revise the package and bring it back to the public for them to vote upon. Thank you.

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Member's Statement 357-13(3): Flowers In The Chamber

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we have heard the comments about Mr. Picco 's priest from the east shirt, Mr. Todd 's bellbottoms, but the real question that Members are asking this side of the House is...the flowers and the roses that Mr. Todd and Mr. Morin hav before them...what are they for...there was a remark that they look like they are both newlyweds. Thank you.

---Laughter

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Members' statements. Are there any further Members' statements?

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Returns to oral questions, Mr. Todd .

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Return To Oral Question 377-13(3): Changes To The Ultimate Removal Process

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, I have a Return to an Oral Question asked by Mr. Picco on October 3rd with respect to changes to the ultimate removal process.

With the ratification of the new collective agreement between the Union of Northern Workers and the Government of the NWT, changes were made to the ultimate removal provisions. I can confirm that employees will now arrange for their own moves, submit receipts to their department and then will be reimbursed for all eligible expenses for the lesser of the actual cost of the move or the cap that was agreed to for each community. Thank you.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Recognition of visitors in the gallery, Mr. Todd .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As you know I rarely do this, but if I do not do it today I will be in deep trouble. I would like to recognize, if I may, Keith Sharpe, who is the mayor of Rankin Inlet. I am kind of impressed today, he wears a shirt and a tie. I have not seen that in the past twenty years. He must have a special meeting today. Keith is a strong supporter of community

empowerment and I certainly appreciate that. With him today is Harry Towtongie, who is the chief organizer for the Keewatin Dog Mushers and also a councillor, and last, but not least, is Antonio Masone, who is a well-qualified administrative arm of the municipality, ready and capable of taking more community empowerment. Thank you.

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Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery, Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize Mr. Andrew Johnson. Mr. Johnson was the Co-op manager of the Kimik Cooperative in Lake Harbour while I was growing up and I understand he works somewhere else now.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Yes, I would like to recognize Russell Look, from the Commissioner's Office, and also, Pat Thomas.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize Mr. MacDonald who is here faithfully to keep an eye on John Todd .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Question 527-13(3): Igloolik Request For Transfer Of Social Services

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1287

Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question will be directed to the Minister of Health and Social Services . Yesterday, I believe we received some correspondence from the Hamlet of Igloolik. First of all, perhaps if I explain through my

preamble, that these people are interested in obtained community empowerment and I believe that there were, in Igloolik, the Hamlet, for many months now has been working together with the social workers and now they are just waiting to have their results of these talks. Can the Minister use his abilities to encourage that those people receive a social worker in their requests? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Evaloarjuk . The Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, if the community of Igloolik to looking at taking over the social services program and other aspects, possibly health, I am certain if those negotiation are underway, if there is problems I will try to rectify them. From my understanding things are progressing, but I will make sure that, because the honourable Member brought up the issue, that things move along in a speedy fashion, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Supplementary To Question 527-13(3): Igloolik Request For Transfer Of Social Services

Question 527-13(3): Igloolik Request For Transfer Of Social Services

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Perhaps in his response you can give me something in writing so that I can take it with me before I leave for my constituency. Hopefully he can give me this correspondence in writing by November 1st. Thank you.

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Further Return To Question 527-13(3): Igloolik Request For Transfer Of Social Services

Question 527-13(3): Igloolik Request For Transfer Of Social Services

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, like I said to the honourable Member, I will find

out what the status is on it, certainly I am not adverse or opposed to putting it in writing on the status and if there are any problems, identify them and work with them and try to resolve any that may be outstanding, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Thank you. Oral questions, Mr. Ningark .

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Question 528-13(3): Pelly Bay Co-op's Interest In Staff Houses

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1288

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as indicated in my Member's statement earlier that the Co-op in Pelly Bay is interested in acquiring or purchasing the current GNWT staff houses in Pelly Bay. First of all I would like to find the Honourable Minister of Finance a meeting with the delegation, probably be over the summer and his willingness to do business with Gjoa Haven Development Corporation. Mr. Speaker, if the rules apply the Minister is willing to do business with the Development Corporation in Gjoa Haven and perhaps the Municipality at Pelly Bay, does the same rule apply to the Co-op.

The Co-op in Pelly Bay now wants to do business with the Minister of Finance to acquire the building. Does the same rule apply to the Co-ops across the Territory, namely Pelly Bay? Thank you.

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The Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1288

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Let me start by saying what are we trying to accomplish here? We are trying to ensure that we have adequate housing for, in seems anyway, for teachers, and that is the first objective. Cost-affordable, cost-effective housing. That is what we are trying to do. We are going to give the teachers in Pelly Bay and as we have given them everywhere else, including McPherson, who were on the radio again this morning, an equal opportunity to purchase these houses at a significant discounted rate.

Should the tenants not be prepared to purchased their houses, which I have said on a number of occasions, I do not quite understand why, but assuming they do not, we will then work out a mechanism, community by community, to provide an opportunity for co-operatives, development corporations, individuals, or whoever to purchase those houses, as long as we have made an arrangement with them to ensure that those houses will be available at the affordable rate for our employees, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Oral question, Supplementary, Mr. Ningark .

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Supplementary To Question 528-13(3): Pelly Bay Co-op's Interest In Staff Houses

Question 528-13(3): Pelly Bay Co-op's Interest In Staff Houses

Item 6: Oral Questions

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Supplementary to the same, Honourable Minister. My supplementary is, now who comes first, the Hamlet in the communities, the co-op, or the development corporation? How does the Minister do business with the community where there are a number of organizations wanting to purchase the government stock houses? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1288

John Todd

Keewatin Central

I think we have more than one group in the community I think it would be only fair to call for community proposals, set some conditions to those proposals to ensure, again, as Ms. Thomas is in the House, to ensure that there is adequate, affordable housing for teachers and employees of this government.

So I think probably the fairest way, Mr. Speaker, would be that we would call for proposals by community. Thank you.

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Further Supplementary To Question 528-13(3): Pelly Bay Co-op's Interest In Staff Houses

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Supplementary, I hope the Honourable Minister is not trying to avoid dealing with the Co-op in Pelly Bay, or across the board. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1289

John Todd

Keewatin Central

I understand, Mr. Ningark 's concerns as a strong advocate of co-op involvement for 20 to 30 years. I want to assure him as I want to assure others that everybody would have, at the community level, equal access to providing us with proposals. It is important, however, to stress, do not know how many times, that we may have to ensure that the housing is available and it is affordable and that will be the principle that will guide us as we bring forward the proposals, community-by-community. Thank you.

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Question 529-13(3): Cultural Events At 1997 Canada Games In Brandon

Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Premier . It is less than a year from now there will be a very important event happening in one of the major cities across the country. The 1997 Canada Summer Games will be held in Brandon, Manitoba, from August 9th to the 23rd. Brandon being Indian country, are there going to be any cultural events for the athletes and are there going to be different types of cultural exchanges happening at that time?

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Mr. Premier .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will have to take that question as notice. I will check with the Minister responsible and get back to the Member. Thank you.

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Question 530-13(3): Changes To Projected 1996-97 Deficit

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1289

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Finance . My question is, is there any changes to your projected budget deficit given that the staff housing sales are not going as well as maybe you had anticipated first off.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, let me, first of all, assure my honourable colleague the staff housing will be sold, it will be sold on the new revised

schedule by the end of the year. I am optimistic that we will meet our targets in terms of the revenue that is required in that particular area. with respect to the overall fiscal position of the government, I think, as I said, we are going to meet our targets, if not exceed them. It is my understanding tomorrow that I will be meeting with caucus at 2:00. We will give a full fiscal update at that time and hopefully demonstrate and reassure my colleague that we are on track and in fact maybe in slightly better shape than we had projected at this time. Thank you.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Yes, Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the Finance Minister 's optimism. I sincerely hope it comes true. My question is, how much was anticipated for the sale of staff housing, and as well get the second question in, which year are you talking about, is it the end of this calendar year, or the government's fiscal year, when you anticipate having the houses sold. Thank you.

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Thank you. Two questions, Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

In this job you have to be optimistic, otherwise it would wear you down. I am sure that other Finance Ministers feel the same way. Let me say that our projected revenues were in the range of $28 to $30 million, in terms of what we anticipate from the sale of staff housing. That the sale of staff housing was a two process, that we were looking for $13 million this year, and $17 million, next year. I believe we are on target. I am optimistic, as I said, that we will sell the staff housing, one way or the other, so I think the long and the short of it is, Mr.

Speaker, is that yes, it is $30 million that we were anticipating. It was expected that we would get the revenues over a two year period. We are confident that we can get it and we are also confident that we meet the targets that we collectively set in the Deficit Administration Strategy. Thank you.

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Question 531-13(3): Ensuring Housing For Northern Teachers

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Finance . Non-Aboriginal teachers who are working up North will probably continue to come up here to teach. Usually, teachers come up to the communities for 2 or 3 year terms, not long enough to make it financially sound to purchase the house many of them are currently living in. With the government housing sales currently going on, and teachers are not interested in buying the housing they live in, how does the government plan to ensure they continue to have professional teachers in the communities, when housing is no longer available? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am confident that the sales program we have got is the best sales program in Canada, never mind North America. What other jurisdiction says to its employees--buy this house, at a significant discount. The mortgage payments will be less than your rent, and at the same time, it says, if you cannot sell it, we will buy it back when you leave. So I am fairly confident, Mr.

Speaker, that we will be able to, with some reassuring, and with the co-operation of the teachers and some of its Executive and its Association, that we will be able to convince the majority of teachers that this is a good deal for them, as it has been for other employees. And that, at the end of the day, we will have a strategy, and do have a strategy in place, to ensure that adequate housing will be available. If some teachers and others choose to leave, then we will just have to take the appropriate measures to recruit new ones that like the new conditions that exist in the recruitment policies.

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Question 532-13(3): Changes To The Capital Plan Regarding Furnishings

Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Honourable John Todd . It is in regards to recent changes to the capital plan. In regards to the priority that the Ministers...in the capital plan changes, there was $52,000 worth of new household furnishings. In the era of cutbacks, is this the ... (inaudible) ... of this government?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

The issue that my honourable colleague is alluding to is the furnishing fiscal allocation that is, under policy of this government, provided to Ministers who are asked to move to Yellowknife, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

If this type of funding for furniture is deemed necessary, can the Minister of Finance invest more funds towards the Fossil Fuel Subsidy for the Department of Health and Social Services so that basically they can increase the eligibility criteria that other people could take advantage of that subsidy?

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Again, I must remind the Members that when you ask a question, you do a

preamble, and then you ask the question. In this case, you did ask the first question, but all this relates to the second question. I cannot allow it, because there is no connection. It is a new question. Oral questions. Mr. Picco .

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Question 533-13(3): Canada Infrastructure Program

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1291

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the media over the last few weeks, and in the news, we have heard about the Canada Cost-Shared Infrastructure Program between the federal government and the provinces and the territories. Can the Premier update this House on the Infrastructure Program as it relates to the Northwest Territories.

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Mr. Premier .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In the July, I think, or August meeting in Jasper, the Premiers of this country all supported a new Infrastructure Program. What we have done, we have instructed our Ministers of Finance to meet. They have had one meeting already, and they discussed...I believe they are going to meet again fairly soon...to discuss that new Infrastructure Program. But our government fully supports the new Infrastructure initiative, if there will be one, by the federal government. Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

That is indeed good news, Mr. Speaker, because the Infrastructure Program does provide much-needed jobs for our communities. Can the Minister let me know, and the House, what the cost-shared relationship on the Infrastructure Program has been in the past, and what the feeling is, out of their meetings in Jasper, Alberta, what it would be in the future. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In the past, the Infrastructure Program was 30 percent from the municipalities, 30 from the territorial government and the provincial governments, 30 percent approximately from the federal government. But we managed, because of the uniqueness of the Northwest Territories and our municipalities unable to come up with their percentage, we got a 50/50 cost-shared from the federal government. The federal government paid 50 percent, and we as a government paid 50 percent.

So if there is going to be a new Infrastructure Program, then we would be looking for that same type of recognition of our uniqueness in the Northwest Territories. So we would still have to have the Minister of Finance try to find that money within the existing dollars that we have, because there is no new money to put our portion up, as well. So that would have to happen. And there is also talk about the private sector being able to be involved this time around. Before, they were not. So that the private sector could put some money into that, as well. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Program

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my concern here would be that this worthwhile and very good program may conflict with the infrastructure dollars already announced by the federal government for the Nunavut Settlement Area, as attached to the Nunavut land claim. Can the Premier maybe inform this House if indeed, the $30 million announced by the federal government for the Nunavut infrastructure, for the Nunavut Settlement Area, would be taken in conjunction, or as a separate item, with the Infrastructure Program, that the Ministers discussed in Jasper. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That $30 million that was announced for the Nunavut infrastructure is not related at all to the Infrastructure Program. That was money provided by DIAND for infrastructure in the Nunavut communities because of April 1, 1999 we will have a new Nunavut Territory. So there is no relation at all. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 534-13(3): Meeting Of The Cabinet Committee On Division

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister in charge of the Division Secretariat. I was wondering if the Minister could indicate, given the agreed urgency of this issue, when his committee, the joint committee with MLAs and Cabinet, will be meeting, and what type of agenda they will have before them? Thank you.

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The Minister of Financial Management Board , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We did meet earlier last week with the 2 new additional Members, Mr. Henry and Mr. Enuaraq from Clyde River. We tried to bring them quickly up to date on each of the 10 or 12 points that we are working on. There is an aggressive strategy, I think, now in place to try to, as they say in politics, crank up the development and the strategy for moving quickly and efficiently on determining an appropriate course for this government to meet the requirements of Nunavut on April 1, 1999.

There will be, it was agreed, additional meetings on a regular basis from now on, and I have not had an opportunity to discuss with my Cabinet colleagues the 2 additional members that the Member requested earlier last month. I am not anticipating a problem there, but it does require some discussion of my colleagues in Cabinet. Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would just like clarification from the Minister if regular means, as well, closer together and more often, as opposed to regular in the past? So that there is a...

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think it would be fair to say that we did not have as clear a plan as we should have earlier in the year. I think with the acquisition of Mr. Isaacs looking after the Secretariat, that we have been able to move quickly to formulate a strategy in conjunction with our partners in this process, the federal government and NTI. Clearly there is a requirement for more means rather than less, and I want to assure my honourable colleague that we will meet as and when necessary, and I am

optimistic that the committee members and any additional ones, if that does happen, will co-operate and meet on a regular basis, so we can move forward in making decisions in a timely manner with respect to the division of the Territories as it marches forward, to April 1, 1999. Thank you.

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