Debates of May 25th, 1998

This is page numbers 1367 - 1399 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was education .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Western Transition Report

Prospects North '98

The Keewatin Pilot Project

Wolf Harvesting And Management

Young Constituents Service As House Pages

Young Constituents Service As House Pages

Hunter And Trapper Compensation Coverage

Hunting Licence Residency Requirements

Lack Of Youth Programs In Communities

Recognition Of Polar Bear Hunting Guide

Funding For Major Highways Initiative

Collapse Of Local Tourism Operators

Recognition Of Kimmirut Community Group

Iqaluit Breakers Swim Team

Highway And Airport Service To Rae-edzo

High Cost Of Air Travel In The North

Fishing Opportunities In Yellowknife North

Providing Quality Education For Our Children

Lack Of Funding For Inuvik Youth Centre

Return To Oral Question 487-13(5): Canadian Departure Tax

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Funding For Major Highways Initiative

Funding For Tourism Operators

Returning To The Collective Bargaining Table

Miramar Mine Labour Dispute

Keewatin Pilot Project

Update On WCB Division Plan

Pay Equity Issue In The Collective Bargaining Process

Inuvik Hospital Funding Arrangement

Recognition Of Exceptional Hunting Guide

Status Of Highway 3 Reconstruction

Community Programs For Youth

GNWT Final Settlement Offer

Highway 3 Reconstruction Pilot

Written Question 10-13(5): Awarding Process For Transportation Contracts

Written Question 11-13(5): Wildlife Act Hunting Licence Residency Requirements

Tabled Document 87-13(5): Hay Job Evaluation System And GNWT Job Evaluation - Process

Tabled Document 88-13(5): Hub News

Article Entitled, The Perils Of Overusing Negotiated Contracts, May 20, 1998

Tabled Document 89-13(5): Minutes From May 14 Unw Local 12 Meeting

Tabled Document 90-13(5): Package Of Letters From Fort Smith Unw Members Regarding Pay Equity/collective Bargaining

Tabled Document 91-13(5): Letters From Metis Nation And Nwtta Regarding The State Of Education In The Nwt

Tabled Document 92-13(5): Annual Report Of The Languages Commissioner Of The Nwt, 1996-97

Bill 19: A Bill To Amend The Dental Profession Act

Topic State Of Education In The Northwest Territories To Committee Of The Whole

Bill 17:

An Act To Amend The Territorial Court Act And The Justices Of The Peace Act

Bill 16:

An Act To Amend The Income Tax Act, No. 2

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Honourable Don Morin , Honourable Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable Manitok Thompson , Honourable John Todd .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 1367

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Good afternoon. Before we get started, I would like to ask Members to welcome the Pages who will be working with us this week. The pages are from Mr Antoine's, Mr. Kakfwi 's and my riding. From the community of Fort Providence there is Samantha Bonnetrouge who is to my right. Also, Troy Gargon and Brandon Matto. Members might be interested to know that Samantha and Brandon were part of a group of 10 students from the school in Fort Providence who travelled to the Kennedy Space Centre in Florida to watch the launch of the space shuttle Columbia live last month.

Canadian space agency officials invited the group to a reception and a special tour of the facilities. The highlight was meeting Canadian astronaut Dave Williams. Mr. Williams agreed to take their school pin with him on the trip into space. It was truly exciting and valuable experience for the students. It is my hope that we, as Members, will make the trip that these Pages have taken to the Legislative Assembly a memorable learning experience. Again, I would like to welcome all the Pages to the Legislative Assembly of the Northwest Territories.

--Applause

Orders of the Day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 101-13(5): Western Transition Report

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. Mr. Speaker, earlier this spring I released a supplemental report on the Creation of the Western Territory which identifies a number of the key transition costs related to the establishment of a new Western Territory. The report has been widely distributed and will soon be available on the GNWT website.

These costs include $10 million for staff retraining, $3.8 million for office space rationalization, $3.6 million/year for a Western Human Resource Development Strategy to build a representative public service and $500,000 to assist NWT bodies such as Sport North and the Status of Women Council in their preparations for division. As well, the report identifies the need for federal funding to cover both the transitional and incremental costs that will result from changes to western governance. The amount of these costs will be more clear as constitutional development proceeds.

As Members are aware, the Premier of the NWT has committed that no existing GNWT staff will be laid off as a result of division during the term of the current government. The $10 million identified in the report is intended to allow retraining of employees affected by the staffing adjustments needed to move to a smaller western headquarters.

We will use this funding to encourage and provide opportunities for any affected employees to pursue retraining if needed so that they can acquire specific skills required to fill vacancies in the new western government. Affected staff will be retained while awaiting a vacancy for which they are, or have become through retraining, qualified. The GNWT considers it very important to retain its experienced and skilled staff, and we are committed to treating staff fairly through the transition.

I would like to say a few words specifically about the new Human Resources Strategy included as part of the supplemental report, which I personally believe represents a very positive step in the creation of the Western Territory.

The Western Human Resource Development Strategy is designed to focus our efforts on the goal of a competent qualified public service which is representative of the public it serves by the year 2004. Over the past two decades, we have made considerable progress in developing a northern public service but we also know that there is more work to be done to reach our goals.

We know that partnerships and strategic alliances will be critical to our success. The strategy is designed to be flexible and leaves room for creativity in finding ways to meet unique local and regional as well as territorial-wide needs.

There will be opportunities for communities and regions to work with the GNWT to design specific initiatives tailored to their unique requirements. Groups such as aboriginal organizations, women's organizations, support for disabled persons associations, community governments, band councils, divisional school boards, Aurora College, and non-profit and private training organizations all have potential roles to play in support of the strategy. We will be consulting with these and other groups to develop partnerships and joint projects.

The effectiveness of the new western government will depend on the skill, knowledge and attitude of the public service. This plan would establish key building blocks on which an effective and representative workforce can be established and maintained.

I am very much looking forward to further discussions with western stakeholders and with DIAND, and to beginning the implementation of the strategy once funding has been secured. I strongly believe it will help us to build a better future for the residents of the Western Territory.

For the strategy to be successful, it will, of course, be important to ensure that it is adequately financed. As we did for Nunavut, we have proposed to the federal government that they provide incremental funding to support the strategy. A commitment of about $3.6 million/year over a six-year period has been proposed in the supplemental report on western transition costs. The report was sent to Minister Stewart requesting a meeting to discuss funding the costs identified. It is important to note that Minister Stewart had previously provided a verbal commitment that reasonable transition costs with respect to staff retraining and office space rationalization will be funded.

Since that time, Minister Stewart has indicated that she will be in a position to discuss the other important issues raised in the report this June. For the reasons I gave earlier, we are particularly interested in pursuing discussions with her with respect to the funding for the Human Resource Development Strategy.

I am looking forward to the upcoming discussions with Minister Stewart and will continue to keep Members informed of progress in securing commitments from the federal government to fund the transition costs identified in the report. Mahsi.

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Minister's Statement 101-13(5): Western Transition Report

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 1368

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Minister's Statement 102-13(5): Prospects North '98

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 1368

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the triennial conference and trade show, Prospects North, will be held in Yellowknife from September 21 to 23. This year's theme is Partners in Developing Canada's North. In support of this event, the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development has provided a contribution of $150,000.

Prospects North is the most comprehensive business and investment trade show in the Northwest Territories (NWT). It showcases numerous economic opportunities available in the NWT, providing northern and southern businesses with an opportunity to advertise their services, expand their customer base and establish partnerships to maximize these opportunities.

About 450 delegates are expected at this year's conference. Organizers anticipate about 250 delegates from the North, 80 delegates from southern Canada, 20 international delegates and about 100 exhibitors.

We are pleased to be a sponsor of this worthwhile event. I am confident that it will generate future sustainable business development in the North, for the benefit of all northerners. Thank you.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 102-13(5): Prospects North '98

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 1368

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Ms. Thompson .

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Minister's Statement 103-13(5): The Keewatin Pilot Project

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 1368

Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to speak today about the Keewatin Pilot Project. I think it is important to clear up some of the misunderstandings and concerns about this proposal. Mr. Speaker, here are the facts:

1. Kivalliq leaders are not asking for more money, they know they have to live with their fair share of the territorial budget. What they want is more local and regional say in how that money gets spent.

2. There has never been any intention to implement the Keewatin Pilot Project before April 1, 1999. It would be foolish to try to make such a major change in government at this time. What we have achieved is the development of a model that can be used in any region, in either new government -- if the government of the day wishes to proceed.

3. This pilot project is not benefiting the Keewatin communities financially in any way. There seems to be some misconceptions about this.

4. The Keewatin communities are used to working together on a regional basis. Since 1994, Keewatin communities have participated in the Kivalliq Partners in Development. This is a regional and community development organization. Kivalliq Partners in Development has done many good things in Keewatin communities and therefore the leadership already had good experience working together. That is why they were interested in this pilot project.

5. There have been concerns expressed that my department has been spending too much time and money on this project. Let me make it clear that MACA has not dedicated extra resources to the Keewatin Pilot Project. Keewatin leaders have used their regular regional leadership meetings to discuss the project.

Mr. Speaker, communities accept that money is tight. They know that there is no longer enough funding available for all the capital projects that communities need. They accept that difficult decisions have to be made about which capital projects can be funded and which cannot. What communities cannot accept, Mr. Speaker, is that these decisions are made by the government, with little input from the people.

Communities continue to ask us why some projects get funded while others do not. I am sure that all of us face these questions when we visit our constituencies.

The Keewatin Pilot Project began more than two years ago as a partnership between the territorial government and the Kivalliq leadership. We wanted to find ways to increase local and regional decision-making authority while still respecting and preserving the authority of the Legislative Assembly to set budgets at the territorial level. Today, we have the foundation for a model that proposes changes to provide more local and regional authority and control.

Mr. Speaker, the principles of the Keewatin Pilot Project are consistent with this government's Community Empowerment Initiative. I am sure we would all agree that we should support community government to be more effective, responsible, accountable and, most importantly, relevant to the people whom they serve.

The concept of more community control and authority is perfectly in line with the driving principles of Footprints 2 and the expressed desire of how the new Nunavut government should evolve. Mr. Speaker, let me make it very clear that neither MACA, the GNWT nor the Kivalliq leadership will support a model that contradicts Footprints 2 or that would create problems for the new Nunavut government.

Let me say it again. There is absolutely no intention to try to implement a new model of governance or new approach to capital planning before April 1, 1999. It will be up to the new Government of Nunavut and the new western government to decide whether they wish to use a new capital planning system or whether they wish to leave the system the way it is now. We are simply providing another option which can be accepted, modified or rejected.

The Kivalliq Leadership continues to support the concept. We are now at a stage in the project where the work that has been done can be consolidated and given to the two new governments for their further consideration. The Kivalliq leaders will be meeting in Yellowknife on May 26 to review the progress to date. I have personally invited the leadership of NTI, NIC and the Interim Commissioner to attend this meeting. I know Keewatin mayors are hoping to meet with the Standing Committee on Government Operations and the Standing Committee on Infrastructure to address their specific concerns.

Mr. Speaker, I am sorry to say that there are some serious misunderstandings about the pilot project. I would like to correct these misunderstandings. Let me make it clear that the Kivalliq mayors and the senior administrative officers will not receive cash payments if they support this project. The Keewatin Pilot Project is not simply a scheme to pad the pockets of local Keewatin businesses. The delivery of Nunavut infrastructures will not be hindered by the Keewatin Pilot Project.

Mr. Speaker, the Keewatin Pilot Project is an idea. It is a new idea that makes sense for these changing times. It supports local decision making. It shows how communities can be given more flexibility to set their own priorities. It proposes a more mature and balanced relationship between the territorial and community levels of government. We have a wonderful opportunity to create new governments in Nunavut and in the west that can bring a meaningful, positive change for communities. I hope we will remain open-minded about new ideas that can help communities develop.

I ask all MLAs and other northern leaders to support our work to try to find better ways to serve the people. After all, Mr. Speaker, that is what good government is all about. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 103-13(5): The Keewatin Pilot Project

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 1369

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Minister's Statement 104-13(5): Wolf Harvesting And Management

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 1369

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, in recent weeks the public has paid an unusual amount of attention to one of our northern species of wildlife and the way it is harvested. A newspaper

article in February prompted numerous letters and E-mails about wolves and the way they were being harvested near Rennie Lake, about 200 kilometres east of Great Slave Lake. The Beverly caribou herd spends part of the winter in the Rennie Lake area. This year, animals from the Bathurst herd moved further south than usual, meeting up with the beverly herd. As wolves follow the caribou, this resulted in more wolves than normal in the area.

In addition, Mr. Speaker, plans are being made for a series of regional workshops involving harvesters, researchers and managers. Their expertise and advice will help focus and expand the awareness of wolf management issues and concerns. We will use the results of the workshop in our consultations with co-management boards and aboriginal groups.

Wolf harvesting typically occurs in very remote areas that are not regularly visited by renewable resource officers. This summer, fuel will be cached east of Great Slave Lake to allow our officers to conduct more patrols in the area next winter. Mr.

Speaker, the Government of the Northwest Territories is recognized as a leader in effective, responsible management of wildlife. We are committed to ensuring long-term, sustainable use of wildlife by northerners. We are also committed to ensuring that wolves, like all our wildlife resources, remain an essential part of our cultural and economic well-being. Thank you.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 104-13(5): Wolf Harvesting And Management

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Antoine .

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Member's Statement 409-13(5): Young Constituents Service As House Pages

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it gives me great pleasure today to introduce three young people from the small communities I represent as an MLA for Nahendeh. I would like to start off with saying that Carilyn Jumbo, from Trout Lake and John Paul Tonka, from Nahanni Butte, the young man over there. Up there we have Carla Norwegian from Jean Marie River. I would like to welcome them to the Legislative Assembly and I hope that by helping us this week that they will learn what I do here and learn what you do here. They will have some learning experience here to take back to the communities. Mahsi.

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Member's Statement 409-13(5): Young Constituents Service As House Pages

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Member's Statement 410-13(5): Young Constituents Service As House Pages

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to introduce three constituents from the Sahtu, Earl Zimmer, son of Elaine and Don Zimmer of Norman Wells; Natanda Oudzi, daughter of Helen Oudzi of Colville Lake; Megan Tobac, daughter of Edna and Henry Tobac of Fort Good Hope. They have come to Yellowknife to work as Pages in the Legislative Assembly and I know you will join with me to welcome them to our capital city. I would like to take some time to thank those who have contributed to this project in bringing these young people to Yellowknife.

North-Wright Air provided free airline passes for Natanda and Megan to travel to Norman Wells. Canadian Airlines provided three free passes for Earl, Natanda and Megan's trip from Norman Wells to Yellowknife.

The Sahtu District Education Council donated $1,885 to cover the cost of meals and entertainment and my Executive Assistant, Lynda Sorensen is providing accommodation and is sharing the role of guardian along with myself. Last night, we welcomed them with a barbecue at Lynda's residence which included the Member of Parliament, Ethel Blondin-Andrew and tonight they will be playing mini golf. These young people are going to Weladeh School each morning to complete school work provided by their teachers. I have asked each of them to complete a report on their experience as a page in this Assembly and their impressions as visitors to Yellowknife.

I will remember this week forever, and I am sure they will as they make new friends, experience new and interesting things and learn about their government which they will take back to their communities. I hope they will share their impressions, their views and experiences with their classmates, parents and friends in their communities. Mr. Speaker, this fall, with your permission, I will be hosting students from Tulita and Deline. To Natanda, Megan and Earl, on my left, welcome and enjoy the week with us. Thank you.

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Member's Statement 410-13(5): Young Constituents Service As House Pages

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Ningark .

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Member's Statement 411-13(5): Hunter And Trapper Compensation Coverage

Item 3: Members' Statements

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, hunting and trapping are occupations many people enjoy in the NWT. It was, at one time, the main driving force of the economy in the NWT. Although, it is no lucrative business, it does provide food, clothing and some cash money for people who practice it. Mr. Speaker, it is also recognized by this government and by this country, TFN and the GNWT provides a Hunters Support Program in Nunavut. We have an Outpost Camp Programs, Community Hunt Programs, Fur Incentive Programs, et cetera. Mr. Speaker, like many other occupations, it has some risks.

Many hunters and trappers lost their equipment and in some cases, their lives. Mr. Speaker, at the appropriate time, I will be asking the Minister about the compensation coverage to hunters and trappers. Either regular coverage or an alternative. Thank you.

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Member's Statement 411-13(5): Hunter And Trapper Compensation Coverage

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Henry .

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Member's Statement 412-13(5): Hunting Licence Residency Requirements

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development knows, the Northwest Territories is one of the few jurisdictions in Canada that does not provide an exemption for RCMP officers and Armed Forces officers from the usual residency requirements for hunting licences. The Minister has informed me that there is little he can do to help these officers. He has said that because the term resident is defined in the Wildlife Act, nothing can be done unless there is an amendment to the Wildlife Act, and that it is not a priority of this government right now.

Mr. Speaker, I have to request that the Minister take another look at this issue. I do not dispute that the term resident is defined in the act, but I wonder if he knows that nowhere does it say that a person must be a resident in order to obtain a hunting licence. As the Minister knows, the act sets up a hunting licencing scheme and the details of the scheme are set out in the regulations. The act itself sets out the eligibility requirements for only two types of licences. The act says that the qualifications for all other hunting licences are set out in the regulations.

Certain hunting licences do require that the licence holder be a resident of the territories, but in almost all cases, the residency requirements are established in the regulations.

For example, the trapping/hunting regulations provide that only a resident may obtain a special trapping licence.

Mr. Speaker, if the residency and other eligibility requirements are set out in the regulations for one type of licence, surely they can be set out in the regulations for another type of licence. Unless, perhaps, the Minister is suggesting that the trapping regulations are invalid. It should be clear to everyone exactly what the requirements are for every hunting licence and I have no problem with a general residency requirement, as long as there are appropriate exemptions. Right now, it appears that department officials are refusing hunting licences simply because of their assumptions and impressions, not because of any

section that says that they should. Mr. Speaker, I am suggesting that first, the Big Game Hunting Regulations and the Small Game Hunting Regulations should be amended to provide that a person must be a resident in order to obtain a Resident Hunting Licence. This amendment should then provide an exemption for RCMP and Armed Forces officers. The amendment should also exempt RCMP officers and DND officials from the requirement in

section 44 of the act that non-residents must use outfitters and guides to hunt big game. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Member's Statement 412-13(5): Hunting Licence Residency Requirements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Yellowknife South is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? Mr. Henry , you have unanimous consent.

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Member's Statement 412-13(5): Hunting Licence Residency Requirements

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker and thank you colleagues. The amendment should also exempt RCMP officers and DND officials from the requirements in

section 44 of the act that non-residents must use outfitters and guides to hunt big game.

Section 44 is expressly made subject to the regulations. Mr. Speaker, I do not accept that this is too much for this government to achieve. All we need is a little willingness to try. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Krutko .

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Member's Statement 413-13(5): Lack Of Youth Programs In Communities

Item 3: Members' Statements

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to speak on the issue that most of the communities are affected by the lack of programming for youth. Mr. Speaker, we need to address the needs of the youth. It is of great concern for me, and probably other Members of this House, and we can agree here today, that the needs to address the needs of the youth. Recently, we have all seen the problems and effects that leave young people uninterested and bored youth have had on society in some of our communities. Many of the youth feel there is no support in regard to a positive, productive place for them within our societies and communities.

Mr. Speaker, this is not only happening in my riding, but in many other communities across the territories. These areas of concern are not just on the territorial scale, but nationally and internationally. We listen to the daily news reports on the brutal crimes committed by teenagers which are so hideous and heinous, on the television. We must stop and think, why are these young adults/children doing these things. There has to be a positive approach to targeting youth at this time.

I feel it requires immediate and serious attention to deal with this issue and to address it. The youth need to be involved in a more mainstream decision-making process at the community level so that they can be able to see the direct results of their input in a positive light. They need to feel important and respected just like an adult to lift their self-esteem and to improve the activities and programs that we deliver on their behalf by also having their input.

The future leaders who will take our place in this House and elsewhere in our communities are the youth. We must take the initiative now to allow the youth to take their role in society and hear them when they say they are bored, disinterested. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Member's Statement 414-13(5): Recognition Of Polar Bear Hunting Guide

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise to recognize an individual. Members are aware that many sport hunters are taken out on polar bear hunts, yearly around this time on dog teams, especially big game hunters from outside of Canada. This is especially helpful financially to those who own dog teams in communities. In my community people with dog teams take big game hunters out on the land to hunt polar bears and it takes them three or more days one way and sometimes the weather does not always cooperate. I would like recognition given to Pakak Qamaniq who owns a dog team, and takes big game hunters to hunt polar bear.

On April 9, 1997, he guided a successful polar bear hunt and again on April 9, 1998, a year later, guided a successful polar hunt. I have never heard of incidents such as this where someone guiding big game hunters succeeds like this a year apart to the day. This is a very unusual occurrence and during question period today, I will be asking the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , what his department is willing to do to recognize this individual. I think this is the first time this kind of feat has been achieved during this lifetime. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Member's Statement 415-13(5): Funding For Major Highways Initiative

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In February and March, Members of this House spent seven weeks reviewing and approving the territorial budget. When we finished, we had given clear direction for the upcoming year's operations and maintenance and capital expenditures. I had a firm idea of what projects would be undertaken. Apparently, I was mistaken. Within days of finishing the budget, I got a press

release that said, Finance Minister Todd and Transportation Minister Antoine have identified $2 million to do a transportation study.

Now, I am all for such a study, Mr. Speaker. It is badly needed. We never discussed this in this House, nor did we approve a budget for this study. Nor, was the Standing Committee of Resources, of which I am a Member, ever made aware of this project. The question, of course, is where did this money come from?

Also, during the February/March session we discussed the P3 process. We passed a 13-point motion for Cabinet to live within certain guidelines. A week after the session, I got another press release, one that announced Finance Minister Todd had unveiled a list of P3 projects to be undertaken this year.

Again, I am all for projects and for the P3, but again, we never discussed these projects in this House, and we should have. What happens to the $3.170 million that we approved in this year's budget for some of these projects? Is there a pool of money for projects that do not have to come before this House? If so, it makes a farce of consensus government and a mockery of democracy.

I believe the people of the NWT are tired of this apparent lack of transparency. I will be pursuing this through questions. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Member's Statement 416-13(5): Collapse Of Local Tourism Operators

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today, I would like to make a brief statement about tourism in the western Arctic. During the 12th Assembly, a decision was made to collapse or do away with all of the regional tourism boards and agencies and to centralize them into two operations, one in the east and one in the west. Since I have been elected, Mr. Speaker, I have heard repeatedly of the attention and the concern brought to me by tourism operators in Fort Smith and Hay River that what has been done has basically taken all of the wind out of the sails, the initiative and the capability of local tourism operators to have any meaningful input into tourism and tourism decisions that are made.

With things being centralized in Yellowknife, there is a natural tendency for decisions to be made by the people here and there is a natural tendency due to centrifugal force, as we all know historically, for Yellowknife to accrue the first benefits of tourism funding. I am concerned, Mr.

Speaker, maybe it is time to evaluate the decision that was made in the 12th Assembly to see how well it is working, and if it is not working as well as expected and if there are enough legitimate concerns out there, that steps be taken to, in fact, adjust the process to ensure local tourism operators do have a meaningful avenue of input into tourism decisions since we have pointed out in all of our planning that tourism is one of the key priorities of the Northwest Territories. During question period, Mr.

Speaker, I will be asking the Minister of RWED about this particular issue and the need in the upcoming business planning process to take a look at the decisions that have been made in the past to see if they are still relevant today. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Member's Statement 417-13(5): Recognition Of Kimmirut Community Group

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to pay tribute to an organization in my home community of Kimmirut. The group, Ikaarutit, was started one and a half years ago by volunteers and local leaders, Jeannie Padluq and Kowisa Arlooktoo. The name means, bridge or a way to crossover.

Ikaarutit raises money to pay for tickets for family members who cannot afford to visit very sick relatives or to attend funerals. To date, the group has raised and spent over $10,000 and have assisted in helping many families to deal with their grief and healing.

Mr. Speaker, at one point, the government helped to pay for compassionate travel expenses of those on income support, but this program was eliminated during the deficit reduction exercise a few years ago. I would note that this was not solely a result of budget cutbacks as there were also real issues of fairness as to who received program benefits.

My point is, Mr. Speaker, these two community leaders recognized a problem and worked to solve it in the community by creating this organization. This is a real example of community self-reliance and I am proud.

Mr. Speaker, my constituency office receives, on average, one or two calls a week from family members who cannot afford to go see a terminally ill family member in one of the Montreal/Ottawa hospitals or to attend a funeral of a family member.

Mr. Speaker, not including the expense of hotels and meals, the cost of visiting someone in the hospital from Kimmirut is over $2,100 return. Aggravating these already stressful situations is that usually the person in the hospital or the one who must make the visit is the main income earner for the family and must take leave without pay. Sick leave or special leave credits do not last long. Mr. Speaker, there are also the additional costs of ensuring that the family left at home is being looked after financially and otherwise.

Needless to say, Mr. Speaker, I personally know families that have lost loved ones due to cancer, other diseases or by accident and have become financially bankrupt during the process. There are many families close to the same situation as I speak. When constituents talked to me about this issue, the area they stressed was the apparent unfairness. Mr. Speaker, I notice I am out of time, I would like to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Baffin South is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? Mr. Arlooktoo , you have unanimous consent.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. During my constituency meetings, they stressed the apparent unfairness. An example I will use is, because I live near a hospital here in Yellowknife, if I happen to land in the hospital for some reason, my family could visit me for a total cost of $8.00 return cab fare or possibly $2.00 worth of fuel if they took their own vehicle. This is compared to several thousand dollars and many days away from home for an individual in my constituency.

Mr. Speaker, I started out by paying tribute to Ikaarutit and I hope I have made everyone more aware of how important their work is. Unfortunately, they will have no shortage of families to assist which is all funded from donations from a cash-strapped community of 450 residents. They have asked me to pass along their appreciation to individuals who have assisted in making donations. Local boards and agencies, businesses and First Air, have been cooperative. I understand that due to the stress and difficulty of raising money, let alone of deciding whom to assist and to whom to say no to, the group has considered disbanding. I hope this does not happen.

Mr. Speaker, I stand here today to say that we are thankful to this group, that their efforts are appreciated and I encourage them to keep helping these families in real need. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Member's Statement 418-13(5): Iqaluit Breakers Swim Team

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, since January, a group of swimmers have gathered together to form the Iqaluit Breakers Swim Team. There are nine swimmers altogether, from the ages of 13 to 17, and all of the swimmers are involved in the lifesaving and lifeguard program. The Iqaluit Breakers participated in the Kimberlite Classic Swim Meet held here in Yellowknife during the month of May. While in Yellowknife, they had an opportunity to compete against the Yellowknife Polar Bear Swim Club. Overall they raced aggressively and broke their own personal race times and proved to be competitive opponents. Mr.

Speaker, since then the swimmers have asked if they could swim at 6:00 a.m., twice a week in addition to the three other swimming practices that they have had. As you can see, the whole experience has had a positive impact on the swimmers having achieved their goals that they have worked hard for, they are keener than ever and look forward to competing next year, in January and May, here in Yellowknife in different swimming competitions. Mr. Speaker, their coach, Karen LeBlanc, hopes to come here to Yellowknife this summer to participate in a Coaching Level II Certificate Program.

She is hoping to recruit younger swimmers to compete next year in Iqaluit. Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate the Iqaluit swimming team, the Iqaluit Breakers and their coach, Ms. Karen LeBlanc. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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Member's Statement 419-13(5): Highway And Airport Service To Rae-edzo

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Over the past many years, my predecessors and myself have lobbied strong and hard to provide an adequate and safe highway between Rae-Edzo and Yellowknife. This project has taken many years to get where it is today. This summer, according to the capital plan for 1998-99, we should see the start of the last 100 kilometres of reconstruction. We know this will take years before we have a completely paved highway between Rae-Edzo and Yellowknife, but this is only the start.

Over the last couple of winters, this road has become very busy with the construction of BHP, all the explorations and many hundreds of trucks travel this

section to deliver their freight. It has become such an important link that I understand, over this past hauling season, there was approximately one truck travelling every three to four minutes apart on this road. This of course, does not include any local traffic from the communities or regular freight hauled on a scheduled basis. This road is very important to everyone.

With this in mind, it is the reasoning behind the Dogrib Rae Band's development plan for the new airport and staging area outside of Edzo. To date, this project has been funded through the band council's operations with training programs and donations. Last year, the band council stated this project and with little funding were able to complete approximately 25 percent. This year they will continue to improve this site and hopefully with support from this government and the private sector we will see an airport to service my community of Rae-Edzo in the near future.

With this area being developed, the council's hope is to provide an alternate staging, as that will relieve the pressures this highway construction will have on all resupply to Yellowknife and the mines. I do hope we are starting this highway construction this summer. However, today I heard the Department of Indian Affairs will not let construction begin until an environmental review is complete. This, I can say, came as rather a surprise considering this project is now in its fifth year in the capital plan. The Department of Transportation has not completed this review yet.

I would also like to say that later today, I will be asking the Minister of Transportation questions regarding this project. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Barnabas .

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Member's Statement 420-13(5): High Cost Of Air Travel In The North

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise

today in the House to talk about an issue that is very important to my constituents, the high cost of air travel in the north.

Unfortunately, Mr. Speaker, this government's financial problems have resulted in the end of compassionate travel benefits for the people of the north. When a loved one is sick or dying, it is now virtually impossible for relatives from other communities to be able to afford to visit their loved ones in their time of need.

Mr. Speaker, we pay the highest airfares in the world and, unfortunately, in Nunavut there are limited other options for travelling between communities. In the east First Air operates as a monopoly. The people I represent have no choice but to pay whatever airfare rate First Air decides the market will bear.

If you compare Yellowknife and Iqaluit as points of departure south, it is obvious to me that travellers going from Yellowknife to Edmonton have a distinct advantage over travellers going from Iqaluit to Montreal or Ottawa. What is this advantage, Mr. Speaker? The advantage is seat sales. Since the departure of Canadian Airlines from the Iqaluit-Montreal run, seat sales have been non-existent in the east.

I applaud the purchase of Canadian North by Nunasi Corporation. Some people might be concerned that two Inuit birthright corporations competing for the same travelling dollar in the same market are counter to Inuit tradition. Mr. Speaker, I have no problems with this, both organizations are financially strong and have the necessary leadership to deal with the consequences of air travel competition in the north.

Mr. Speaker, it is my hope that competition will lead to lower airfares for my constituents. I strongly encourage the new owners of Canadian North to re-enter the Iqaluit-Montreal market. Fair and honest competition makes for better companies and better services to the customer. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .

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Member's Statement 421-13(5): Fishing Opportunities In Yellowknife North

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to speak about tourism, and particularly to speak about tourism in the Yellowknife North constituency. Mr. Speaker, it is a well-known fact that there is very good fishing in the numerous parks and lakes along the Ingraham Trail. These are available by road, most of them within 30 minutes. I can attest that there is still trophy fish available in those lakes. To give you a good example, just this past weekend, Iqaluit MLA, Mr. Picco landed two huge pickerels in Prelude Lake. He informs me he waged a 20-minute battle with each of these fish.

When I asked him how come he is such a good fisherman, he looked at me in a funny way, and he said, I am a Newfoundlander. So I guess that explains it.

Anyway, Mr. Speaker, I would like to invite tourists and visitors alike to visit these lakes and the Yellowknife North constituency and experience world class trophy fishing and angling, as evidenced by Mr. Picco 's success. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Member's Statement 422-13(5): Providing Quality Education For Our Children

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I would like to speak to the importance of a quality education from a very personal perspective. Providing a quality education to the children of the north is not an optional undertaking. It is our mandate, our legal and moral obligation. We must ensure the resources necessary to provide for an education comparable to what our children would receive anywhere in Canada. This is not a lofty or laudable goal. It is the law.

Literacy affects our ability to learn and comprehend almost everything else. As we consider education in the north, let us consider quality, curriculum and adequate resources for our teachers to do their job. We owe our children nothing less. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Roland .

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Member's Statement 423-13(5): Lack Of Funding For Inuvik Youth Centre

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we have heard many times in this Assembly the issue of youth and the younger generation who are coming up. Mr. Speaker, I would like to commend the Inuvik Youth Centre Board and its coordinator for one year of working with the youth in the community of Inuvik. Their work has helped provide a place for the youth to gather, play games or learn new experiences from

one another. Without a youth centre or facility, we would have a lot more youth on the streets. As we know, in many northern communities, if they are not into going out travelling and hiking out on the land, then they are hanging around in the communities and with our extended sunlight hours in the summer, they have little else to do. Those people get involved with the youth at the community level who provide for time together and share experiences, as I said earlier.

But I have a concern with the youth centre in Inuvik. They worked this year and managed to keep the doors open with the help of many other organizations in the community. They are finding themselves in some difficulty right now because of lack of funding. As I said, we have spoken on many occasions, whether it is education or other things with the young, but if we do not go beyond saying things here, we have not done anything. Words are good inspiration, but we need to see action to get things done.

I hope that while I am here, I can meet with different Ministers to find out if there is any funding available for programs for youth that the youth centre in Inuvik might be able to tie into and help keep the operation going to help the youth stay involved and believe in the things we are doing for them, not to get tired of just hearing us speak about it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today in regard to a very important issue here in the Northwest Territories and also in Nunavut. There are a lot of people who have physical disabilities. It could be in the form of physical, mental or otherwise. There are also people who are confined to wheelchairs. There are all kinds of disabilities that we can think of which limits some people to go around. Therefore, Mr.

Speaker, I want the work places, wherever they may be, particularly government departments, to be more accessible to people who are in wheelchairs so that people with limited mobility can access these buildings. We should be more than open to these people who would like to go into some departments because they have the same kinds of needs that we have. Therefore, I just wish some departments and workplaces to be more open to people with all kinds of disabilities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. All Members are doing well with their Members' statements, but I would like to request that some of the Members who do have written text to slow down when they are reading and allow the translators time to translate for the unilingual Members. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Antoine .

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Return To Oral Question 487-13(5): Canadian Departure Tax

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a return to oral question asked by Mr. Picco on March 3, 1998. A reply made by myself in regard to the Canadian Departure Tax on March 3, 1998. The date this House adjourned, the Premier took a question on notice from the Member for Iqaluit concerning this Canadian Departure Tax. I believe the Member was referring to the Air Transportation Tax.

Mr. Speaker, Canada is changing the way it pays for its air navigation system. Transport Canada used to operate Canada's air navigation system as a federally subsidized public service. The federal government recovered about 85 percent of the cost of the air navigation system through the Air Transportation Tax. The tax was added to the price of air passenger tickets. The remaining cost of the system was paid for from Transport Canada's annual appropriation from Parliament.

NAV Canada was established as a private corporation to assume responsibility for the air navigation system from Transport Canada and to operate the system independently of government on a cost recovery basis. The transition to cost recovery is taking place this year in two steps. Phase 1 took effect on March 1st and Phase 2 will take effect on November 1st. As NAV Canada introduces its new service fees on air carriers, the Air Transportation Tax on passenger fares is eliminated. Half the Air Transportation Tax was removed on April 1st and the rest will go on November 1st.

How the air carriers decide to recover NAV Canada's new service fees from their customers is a matter of the carrier's corporate pricing strategy. The Air Transportation Tax was collected strictly on passenger fares. Now, the air carriers have new flexibility to recover the NAV Canada service fees from either their passenger or their freight revenues or some combination of both.

I would like the Member to know that, with the northern air carriers, the Department of Transportation mounted a vigorous lobbying campaign that has been successful in modifying the impact of the new service fees on northern air routes.

The lobbying campaign made NAV Canada recognize that the fee structure, as it was originally proposed, had a greater impact on northern than southern air routes. As a result, NAV Canada agreed to raise the weight limit of the aircraft to which the Phase I fees would apply from 5.5 to 8 tonnes. The higher weight limit exempted twin otters and similar sized aircraft from the Phase I fees. The department also won the important concession that the new fees would not apply to flights departing from northern and remote airports where the air navigation services are delivered by our CARS Program.

The next and last phase of the service fees will come into effect on November 1st. So far, NAV Canada has circulated a discussion paper on the Phase 2 fees that considers several options. It has made no firm proposal at this time.

With other Departments of Transportation and northern carriers, the department has proposed, (1) exempting small aircraft under 8 tonnes altogether in Canada, or (2) exempting small aircraft under 8 tonnes in the northern and remote areas of Canada. NAV Canada has not rejected either proposal and appears to be giving them serious consideration. We will have to wait and see. The department expects NAV Canada to release its Phase 2 fee proposal sometime in August.

Although, I cannot be specific at this time, I am reasonable confident that we will have similar success in influencing the Phase 2 fees as we have had with the Phase 1 fees. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Ms. Thompson .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize the mayors in my riding, Aivilik. We have in the gallery Mr. Louis Primeau, SAO for Coral Harbour, beside him is Mr. Johnny Ningeongan the Mayor of Coral Harbour and Percy Kabloona from Whale Cove. Mr. Steve Mapsalak Mayor of Repulse Bay and Donat Milortuk who is a member of the Keewatin Inuit Association. Thank you.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize a constituent visiting from the community of Kimmirut, Mr. Jawlie Mingeriak.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. O'Brien .

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize a good friend of mine and also the new Deputy Minister of Culture, Youth and Elders, for the new Government of Nunavut, Mr. Peter Ernerk. Mr. Picco informs me that Mr. Ernerk is one of his new constituents. Thank you.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am here to recognize some of the people that have not been recognized. I see some elders in the gallery, and I would like to welcome you to this Legislature. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. I would like to recognize Rhoda Perkison, a former deputy clerk of the House.

--Applause

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Samuel Gargan

Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Ootes .

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Question 525-13(5): Funding For Major Highways Initiative

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1376

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Finance , regarding my statement earlier today. With regard to the Highways Initiative Project and where the allocation for the money is coming from, I wonder if the Minister could address that issue for me and tell me where the money is coming from specifically on the highway's project. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The dollars assigned to the major highways initiatives are coming from the supplementary appropriations.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ootes .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. With regard to the P3 projects, I tallied up a little over $3 million, allocated in the 1998-99 budget. Could the Minister tell us where that funding will go since the projects will be allocated as P3 projects? Thank you.

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Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like some clarity. Is my honourable colleague talking about the road's strategy or is he talking about the P3 projects that we have all been discussing since early January? If he can give me some clarity, then I can give him an answer.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ootes . Your supplementary.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I mentioned earlier in February/March, we approved the operations and maintenance budget as well as the capital budget. Within the capital budget, it had reference to a number of projects, some of which had $200,000, for example I believe the Fort McPherson project is about $200,000 in the budget. What I am curious about is where that money will be allocated to for those particular projects that were in this year's budget.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Todd .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think it is important to step back a little bit and give some history here so everybody understands the issue. I had spoken to the committee at length, at which Mr. Ootes , of course, is a Member. I believe he was at one of the meetings, if my memory serves me correctly, and I will go back and check that. I indicated then that in our budget statement of January we will move forward on some P3 projects.

We also indicated that we were going to try to bring forward some new monies for the desperate need in the housing program and that the reallocation of some of the capital projects into P3 projects will be put toward the development of the new housing initiative. That was clear at the time, I have spoken on a number of occasions about that issue and it was understood. I then sent a letter on March 9, 1998, to Mr.

Erasmus , Chairman of the Standing Committee on the Government Operations, outlining the criteria for P3 and outlining a list of potential projects that the deputy ministers had allocated and where they thought they would get the best cost recovery based on the criteria that were set for P3.

I then received a letter from the standing committee and followed up with a further letter on March 23, 1998, to all Members of the Legislative Assembly, including Mr. Ootes . On April 16, 1998, based on the request from Mr. Ootes with respect to P3 meeting all the criteria and all the questions he asked in the House, the projects, I then sent him a ten-page correspondence outlining what was occurring and why it was occurring. Mr. Speaker, just give me a moment because it goes on and on and on. Maybe my honourable colleague forgot to read his mail. On April 28, 1998, he then wrote to me again. Mr.

Speaker, if the honourable colleague has read his mail, he has obviously not read it properly because we have answered the questions and that is the point I am trying to make here. On May 6, 1998, we also wrote all the Members and I specifically wrote to all the Members with respect to the P3 projects prior to any official public release of the P3 projects. Then on May 25, 1998, I wrote to Mr. Ootes specifically with respect to the $3.6 million approved in the main estimates and explained to him where the money was going.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ootes .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I said, I see $3.17 million in the budget that is now going elsewhere. I still do not know exactly where it is going. More importantly why was it not allocated to the appropriate place in the first place, when we were discussing it. A week later we were into a bunch of new projects. I do not have an objection to the projects. It is just that it was not allocated in the proper departments perhaps.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

I will try to keep it simple and I will talk real slow. Mr. Speaker, I said from the very beginning, in which Mr. Ootes was aware of in committee and all the Members were, that we were going to reallocate some of the P3 project money into housing money that is desperately needed right across the Northwest Territories. That was explained from the very beginning. The P3 projects were identified by the deputy ministers to ensure the government is going to get value for money et cetera. I wrote to the Government Operations Committee, Mr.

Erasmus , who I have worked cooperatively with the last two and half years and asked him for input to the P3 projects. I received the response from him. I believe you are a member of that committee or can be a member of that committee if you wish to attend. Give me some input into the projects. I then wrote to each and every Member about the projects prior to the public release. I do not know how else to explain it to my colleagues. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am still confused as to where the $3.2 million is. The Minister is stating it went into the housing program. I just do not know why we did not put it in there in the first place. I do not have any objection to the project. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 526-13(5): Funding For Tourism Operators

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1377

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development . It is in regard to the current structure of the tourism boards or the fact that we only have one set up in the Western Territory that was centralized. This seems like a contradiction to all of the other moves that the government has been doing to empower communities and move things away from the centre.

My question to the Minister is, given the fact that this decision was made by a previous Assembly and that a number of years have transpired since that decision and there is concern about how effective that decision was and is, would the Minister consider having that evaluated to see if it is, in fact, meeting the needs of the stakeholders it was designed to do? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, with division less than a year away, is it perhaps timely to look at the way that we conduct business and specifically in regard to the tourism portfolio and the strategy. We will be interested in looking at suggestions on how the Western Territory by itself could perhaps be in need of a review and an updated approach to tourism. The Finance Minister has taken the lead on behalf of this government to develop an economic strategy. We believe that we can advance a strategy particularly in the west in the next few months and work that in partnership with the federal government. This brings up the

possibilities of new economic development monies, perhaps from the federal government. I think it is a good suggestion, and we will take it into serious consideration and deal with it through the development of this economic strategy. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to thank the Minister for that response. Does the Minister anticipate that this work will have progressed sufficiently and that there will be some meaningful information and progress to bring to the Western Caucus and committees when we start doing business plans for the 1999-2000 budget. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe the development of the strategy as a package will take a matter of months, three or four months at the very least. It is possible to look at earlier versions of some sections within that strategy. We will see what we can do to move things as quickly as we can. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Mr. Henry .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1378

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister responsible for the Financial Management Board , Mr. Todd . It is regarding the collective agreement and pay equity issue. Last week I had asked Mr. Todd if he would, in fact, direct his officials to return to the table. Has the Minister made any advances to the UNW or has the UNW contacted the Minister's officials to come back to the table to talk? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for the Financial Management Board , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I said publicly the other day in the House, I was prepared to come back to the table, but I did indicate there was not a lot of room to move by saying that publicly late last week. I believe it is now really in the hands of the UNW. We are ready, willing and able to move forward to try to reach an arrangement that will put this difficult issue behind us and get on with delivering more money to our employees.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think a little background is warranted here. I think it is fair to say that the GNWT has suggested they have a final offer that is on the table. The UNW is saying they will not have further discussions until the issue of pay equity is removed from the table. Hence the impasse. My question to the Minister is, and he has spoken a number of times and suggested that the UNW bring this question to the membership.

My question to the Minister is, if the UNW does bring this question and package before the membership and the membership rejects it, will the Minister at that time consider taking the pay equity issue off the table and discussing them separately? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It would be difficult for me to determine the outcome vote. What I would really appreciate would be that the UNW let the membership move forward and vote in their democratic right whether the agreement or the proposal we put before them, our final agreement, is one that they think is fair and reasonable. It would be difficult for me to specify at this time what would take place should there be a rejection if the employees do get the opportunity. I am reasonably confident that what we have presented to our membership, the constituency, is fair and I am optimistic if it gets to a vote which I hope it will, that they will vote yes. Thank you.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I certainly agree with the Minister that it would be unfair to expect him to be able to determine the outcome what the membership would agree on. Mr. Speaker, I would like to recall some of the statements that the Minister made in the House last week on this collective agreement and the package in general. I quote the Minister stated...

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Mr. Henry , do you have a supplementary question?

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I do.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

My question to the Minister is, Mr. Speaker, would the Minister not give some consideration to removing the issue if the UNW rejected the offer? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

My

interpretation, Mr. Speaker, and I was trying to be diplomatic in my responses, if the UNW rejected the offer, then the next move is to strike and I would hope that at some point, we would avoid that. That is certainly our intention. We need to try to get everybody back to the bargaining table, as my honourable colleague says, and I do appreciate the fact that he is working hard along with myself, to get that done.

We simply have to get people back to the table to take another look at this proposal, and at the end of the day, I fundamentally believe and I will say it until I am blue in the face, our constituency and the membership of the UNW should have the democratic right to vote on this offer that is before them and we will live with the consequences of that vote. Thank you.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister said that it is a good deal. Will the Minister remove the pay equity issue from the table if it is rejected by the UNW? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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It is hypothetical. It is the same question. Oral question, Mr. Erasmus .

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Question 528-13(5): Miramar Mine Labour Dispute

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1379

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Premier . It is on another labour dispute which is affecting Yellowknife and the north as well. The Con Mine is involved in a labour dispute, in fact, the workers have gone out on strike and having gone through a bad experience with Giant Mine several years back, and of course, not wanting to prolong this dispute, I was wondering if the Premier could update the House if they are doing anything to try to get these two parties back to the table? Thank you.

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Thank you. Do you wish to respond Mr. Morin ? This is more like a federal matter, Mr. Premier .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. You are absolutely correct. It is a federal issue on labour, but we, as the Government of the Northwest Territories has an interest because those are NWT residents who are on strike. The mine is located in the Northwest Territories. As a government, we have already established a task force of senior GNWT officials. Deputy Minister, Don Cooper of Justice, is chairing that task force and Joe Handley, as well as Penny Ballantyne, Ron Williams and Judy Langford are also on that task force to keep us appraised of the issues of the strike. My understanding is that Mr.

Cooper has already been in touch with the union as well as with the company to get information on the issues concerning the strike. Thank you.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am pleased to hear this task force has been formed and the government is being kept up to date. I was wondering if the Premier could indicate if he has taken any action to attempt to bring the two parties back to the table, so that this system is not prolonged to a greater degree? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The strike and the issue out there are between Con Mine and the union. Our government has no involvement in that. What we have done is establish a task force to keep us informed about the strike, and hopefully, they will come back together, start talking and that the mine will be up and producing again and people can go back to work. Thank you.

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Question 529-13(5): Keewatin Pilot Project

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Earlier today, the Minister for MACA made a statement on the Keewatin Pilot Project. There has been a lot of confusion and few answers surrounding the Keewatin Pilot Project. I am wondering if the Minister could tell me at this time and indicate if the Keewatin airport transfer in the Keewatin region is linked with the MACA's Keewatin Pilot Project? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Ms. Thompson .

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, it is linked to the Keewatin Pilot Project.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in response to a question on the Keewatin Pilot Project or the Keewatin airport transfer, on the last day, Friday, May 22nd, in reviewing the Hansard, the Transportation Minister indicated there was a concern with the deputy minister of Community Government Housing and Transportation for the Nunavut government with this transfer. I wonder if the Minister of MACA could confirm that she has been in contact with the Office of the Interim Commissioner and, indeed, they have told her that there is a problem with the Keewatin transfer? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have been talking with the Interim Commissioner. I talked with him yesterday morning concerning this and his position is that my direction is coming from the elected leaders, not appointed people. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the unedited Hansard from Friday, the Transportation Minister indicated that the Department of Municipal, in the new Nunavut government out of the Office of the Interim Commissioner has not seen the Keewatin Pilot Project or the Keewatin transfer of airports as a priority at this time. I am wondering if the Minister for MACA has addressed that concern with the OIC during her discussions? Thank you.

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Manitok Thompson

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The Keewatin Pilot Project is a proposal and the Keewatin airport tran