Debates of Feb. 22nd, 2018

This is page numbers 3347 – 3406 of the Hansard for the 18th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

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Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

Northwest Territories Airport Improvements

Missing And Murdered Indigenous Women And Girls

Addressing Core Housing Needs

Willow River Bridge And All-Weather Road

Canadian North Lng Corp.

Carbon Tax Policy

Land Transfer Tax Proposal

Eulogy For Victorine (Vicky) Desjarlais

Ministerial Meetings Transparency And Accountability

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Nicole Latour – Nova Scotia Chief Electoral Officer’s Quality, Value And Service Award

Liquid Natural Gas Proposal

Willow River Bridge All-Weather Road Project

Carbon Tax Policy

Ministerial Meetings – Transparency And Accountability

Core Housing Needs Funding

Proposed Access To Information And Protection Of Privacy Legislation

Formula Funding For Municipalities

Tabled Document 91-18(3): Correspondence To Mary Simon Regarding Arctic Leadership Model

Tabled Document 92-18(3): Energy Initiatives Report 2016-2017

Tabled Document 93-18(3): Inuvialuit Water Board Budget 2018-2019

Bill 5:

An Act To Amend The

Summary Conviction Procedures Act

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Report of Committee of the Whole

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters (Reversion)

Report of Committee of the Whole (Reversion)

Orders of the Day

Members Present

Hon. Glen Abernethy , Mr. Beaulieu , Mr. Blake , Hon. Caroline Cochrane , Ms. Green , Hon. Jackson Lafferty , Hon. Bob McLeod , Hon. Robert McLeod , Mr. McNeely , Hon. Alfred Moses , Mr. Nadli , Mr. Nakimayak , Mr. O'Reilly , Hon. Wally Schumann , Hon. Louis Sebert , Mr. Testart , Mr. Thompson , Mr. Vanthuyne

The House met at 1:31 p.m.

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Prayer

Prayer

The Speaker

Jackson Lafferty

Good afternoon, Members. Member for Frame Lake .

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Prayer

Prayer

Kevin O'Reilly

Frame Lake

Mr. Speaker, I rise pursuant to Rule 21(1) of the Rules of the Legislative Assembly to make a personal explanation. Rule 21 allows a Member the opportunity to explain that he or she has been misquoted or deny published accusations against the Member.

Mr. Speaker, yesterday, in response to an oral question from me, the Premier said, and I quote from unedited Hansard, "The MLA for Frame Lake is on record as stating he wants no mines, no oil and gas, and in his Member's statement, I am not surprised at the line of his questioning."

Mr. Speaker, I have never before or during my time as a Member of this House made such a statement. I know I have never said these things because they are inconsistent with my longstanding and public views, which are on the public record.

In my Member's statement on February 13, 2018, I said, and I quote from the Hansard for that day, "I love mining, as long as it is properly managed and we get our fair share." Mr. Speaker, mining is an important part of our economy. It has provided jobs and opportunities for our residents. I support the mining industry. I just do not support it unconditionally or at any cost. The devastating impacts of unregulated mining are right here in our backyard. As long as I am a Member of this House, I will continue to call for responsible mining in the Northwest Territories and a fair share of economic rent for our residents.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, for the opportunity to once again put my views on the record. Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Minister of Infrastructure .

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Minister's Statement 35-18(3): Northwest Territories Airport Improvements

Ministers' Statements

Wally Schumann

Hay River South

Mr. Speaker, airports are an integral component of our northern transportation infrastructure. Air travel contributes to social cohesion by enabling relatives, families, and friends to stay connected. Air travel saves lives through our medevac system and facilitates business enterprises throughout our vast territory. Many communities rely on air travel to deliver essential goods.

The Department of Infrastructure is committed to working with public and private sector partners to continuously maintain and improve airport infrastructure and operations. Today, I am pleased to report that a number of projects have been completed or are under way.

Last year, our government successfully completed the replacement of the airfield lighting at the airports in Tuktoyaktuk and Norman Wells, thanks to over $3 million in funding from Transport Canada under the Airport Capital Assistance Program and $200,000 from our government. The previous airfield lighting dated back to the 1970s and was in need of replacement. Not only will the new lights be more effective for aircraft pilots, they are also energy efficient LED lighting, which will help our government meet territorial and national commitments to lower greenhouse gas emissions.

Mr. Speaker, our government recently completed runway surface rehabilitations at the airports in Hay River, Inuvik, and Yellowknife. Federal and territorial funds were also used to construct new airports in Trout Lake in 2014 and Colville Lake in 2012 under the Building Canada Plan. These projects have increased the safety and capacity of air travel in the communities, and the longer runways allow for the use of pressurized medevac aircraft.

The department is continuing to collaborate with NAV Canada so the aviation industry can access weather information 24/7 for all public airports up to 75 nautical miles from the airport sites. The availability of real-time accurate weather data is critical to the aviation industry, allowing for improved decision-making by the medevac service contractor and the safe operation of airports.

In addition to improving airport infrastructure, our government is also committed to preventative maintenance, such as the improvement of drainage systems at the airports in Hay River, Inuvik, Yellowknife, Aklavik, and Sachs Harbour. Studies have shown that some airports have subsurface drainage problems leading to ongoing patching and repairs to airfields. Drainage improvements are expected to increase airfield stability and reduce the frequency of asphalt and granular overlays, thereby helping to reduce future maintenance costs and improve airfield reliability.

Looking ahead, a very exciting project is scheduled in the 2018-2019 Capital Plan, the replacement of the air terminal building in Inuvik. The current terminal was constructed in 1958 and has reached the end of its service life. Detailed design and site preparation is scheduled to take place in April 2018, with construction starting in 2019, followed by the demolition of the existing air terminal building in 2021.

The design takes into account the requirements set out by the standards and guidelines for air terminals, such as public space, baggage systems, concessions, airport operation and administration, and a tower height that meets required specifications. Overall, travellers will notice an improved passenger experience and an airport that better fits the needs of various users.

These improvement projects would not be possible without collaboration from the federal government. The Airport Capital Assistance Program, for example, has allowed for $24 million in improvements since 1995 to airports across the territory and roughly $3 million in infrastructure funding invested by our government.

Mr. Speaker, as the largest and busiest airport in the Northwest Territories, the Yellowknife airport continues to grow and improve. As part of this transformation, parking was recently expanded to include additional vehicle spaces, more convenient parking was added for tourism operator buses, and we implemented a new free downloadable pay-by-phone parking app in select areas.

Going forward, we are committed to a new security screening system which will improve wait times for travellers. This also supports the number one priority of the Yellowknife airport and airports across the Northwest Territories, which is safety and security. Additional enhancements include a new retail gift shop opening soon and the installation of common-use terminals, which will create a better travel experience for passengers. The transformation of the Yellowknife airport will also allow for additional revenues and employment opportunities for residents of the North.

Various external stakeholders have played a significant role in guiding the transformation of the Yellowknife airport, such as the Yellowknife Airport Economic Advisory Committee. The committee consists of business and industry leaders who meet regularly to provide strategic recommendations and advice.

Mr. Speaker, improvements to Northwest Territories airports are vital to supporting safe and effective travel and to enhancing business opportunities. We will continue to work with our federal partners, air carriers, and other stakeholders to make improvements to our air transportation system while investigating new ways to make strategic investments in our infrastructure. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 35-18(3): Northwest Territories Airport Improvements

Ministers' Statements

The Speaker

Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Member for Yellowknife North .

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Missing And Murdered Indigenous Women And Girls

Members' Statements

Cory Vanthuyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I want to take on a difficult subject. It is difficult for me, but I know it is far more difficult for many others. It affects communities right across Canada, and yet it is something we are hesitant to put on the table. If we shine some light on it, our tendency may be to quickly move the light away because it is so painful. Yet, it needs to be acknowledged and addressed. I am talking about the issue of missing and murdered indigenous women and girls.

Mr. Speaker, we hear it whenever the Commission holds hearings, and especially when they visit the North. This is a pain and grief that families are suffering from, many for years and years. This tragedy needs to be addressed, out of respect for the victims and their loved ones. Their pain and grief needs to be recognized so that their burden can begin to be shared.

Mr. Speaker, as a white male, I find myself struggling to know the right way to address this tragedy. I have lived in the North my entire life. I admire and respect the Indigenous people of this land, and I strive to demonstrate that in my daily life. However, I know that maybe I cannot understand life from their perspective.

I know I need to acknowledge my white privilege, whether that is comfortable or not. I know I need to be open, to listen, to learn with humility and with respect.

When it comes to the tragedy of the Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women and Girls, it is hard to know what to say, or even how to start. I know I need to use great caution. Sometimes it feels like maybe it is easier to just not to say anything. I hope I show humility, compassion, and empathy. I want to recognize that the families are going through a grief and pain that maybe I can never truly understand.

Even if that is true, Mr. Speaker, I feel that it is important to raise my voice and to express caring, compassion, and respect for the victims and their families. As leaders, we must commit ourselves to confronting hate, misogyny, xenophobia, and racism whenever and wherever it confronts us, and we must dedicate our lives to words and actions that will make sure that the tragedy of Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women and Girls ends now and can never happen again. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Members' Statements

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Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Members' statements. Member for Yellowknife Centre .

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Addressing Core Housing Needs

Members' Statements

Julie Green

Yellowknife Centre

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, at the end of the last sitting the Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation tabled her long-awaited response to persistent core housing need experienced by one in five households in the NWT. I put forward a motion in June 2016 with the support of my colleagues that called on the Housing Corporation to reduce core need in housing by 2 per cent a year for four years. This investment will bring the NWT in line with national levels. The motion called for a plan to achieve this goal. The Towards Level Ground report is the basis of that plan.

Mr. Speaker, a household experiences core need if they have one of the following problems or, potentially, a combination of all three. Housing may be unsuitable because it doesn't have enough bedrooms for family members; it may be inadequate because it needs major repairs to plumbing, electrical, and heating systems; and, finally, it may be unaffordable if the family is spending more than 30 per cent of their gross income.

Mr. Speaker, the Housing Corporation's action plan to reduce core need is sketchy. It includes investments in 15 different program areas, but there is no rationale given for why 384 homes are slated for emergency repairs or why 30 households are involved in "rebalancing the public housing portfolio." It is not clear how these programs relate to the three areas of core need, nor is there any information about how the $67 million earmarked for this project is going to be distributed among the regions or where the money itself is going to come from.

There are households across the territory that are in core need, but the greatest number in all three categories is Yellowknife, and the most acute need in Yellowknife is affordability. According the 2014 Community Survey, 868 city households had affordability problems, and the problem is growing.

Mr. Speaker, the plan proposes affordability relief to just 100 households. We all know that Yellowknife is an expensive place to live and that shelter costs are the largest part of any household budget. This plan may make a small dent in this problem, but it is hard to say exactly how it will serve my constituents' needs. Affordability is a huge problem, and it's getting worse, not better. I will have questions for the Minister. Mahsi.

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Addressing Core Housing Needs

Members' Statements

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Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Members' statements. Member for Mackenzie Delta .

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Willow River Bridge And All-Weather Road

Members' Statements

Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, earlier in this sitting I called on Minister Schumann to lead the charge in launching new infrastructure projects that will connect our communities and create new jobs. Previously, I suggested an ice road between Tsiigehtchic and Fort Good Hope. Today, I would like to pitch another idea, and it is not a new idea, Mr. Speaker. It's one that the people of Aklavik have advocated for many years. I am talking about the completion of the Willow River bridge and all-weather road.

Mr. Speaker, for those who have not had the privilege of visiting Aklavik, let me set the scene for you. Outside the community, in the foothills of the Richardson Mountains, my constituents of Aklavik have practised their traditional lifestyle of hunting, trapping, fishing, as well as gathering and harvesting.

Those traditional trails are still in use today, but overland access to this part of the foothills is currently restricted to the wintertime or during rare periods of low water, when a jury-rigged bridge can be used.

If the bridge and all-weather road were completed, residents would have year-round access. Not only that, but the hamlet could also easily access gravel resources, families could use the area for day recreation, and the improved infrastructure would be a draw to tourists and sport hunters. The road could also open options for new solid waste or water treatment facilities.

Mr. Speaker, the proposed project has undergone environmental impact screening, and Tetra Tech and Nehtruh-EBA Consulting Ltd. have developed plans and designs for a road that would shorten the current 27 kilometre ice-based overland route to a year-round route of just 19.2 kilometres. Aklavik, where jobs are sorely needed, has also demonstrated that it is ready to take on the work, both the challenges and the opportunities. For example, the Mountain Road Committee, including elder representation, has done a feasibility study.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement. Thank you.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Willow River Bridge And All-Weather Road

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, colleagues. Mr. Speaker, there is work to be done to bring the last stage of the project over the finish line, and there are people and supplies ready to take it on. All we need is government leadership and funding.

I am not ready to give up on this project, Mr. Speaker, and I hope the Minister isn't, either. I am sticking to Aklavik's motto, Mr. Speaker: "Never say die." Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Willow River Bridge And All-Weather Road

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Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Members' statements. Member for Nahendeh .

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Canadian North Lng Corp.

Members' Statements

Shane Thompson

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is my understanding that a company called Canadian North LNG Corp. engaged with the NWT government on November 9, 2015, and further met with two senior staff officials of the Department of Public Works on January 17, 2017, about a shovel-ready LNG pilot project proposal.

The proposal highlighted the use of NWT natural gas supply from Cameron Hills, which is hereby currently shut down due to economic reasons and several options to convert existing diesel power generators to LNG for the Village of Fort Simpson, Hamlet of Fort Liard, and Hamlet of Fort Providence with no upfront capital commitment from the government hereby providing an average of 35-45 per cent savings over and above the current power rate.

I believe this type of project could be a huge part of our NWT Climate Change Strategy.

Mr. Speaker, it is on the public record that the Northwest Territories contains potentially more undeveloped natural gas reserves than anywhere else in North America. Unfortunately, the Northwest Territories is one of the only jurisdictions in North America that currently does not use natural gas for the majority of its energy source, heating, and power generation.

Mr. Speaker, it is my understanding that the Northwest Territories has, for the last 70 years, been consuming carbon-intensive diesel fuel sourced and imported from outside of its jurisdiction and more recently from the USA. As I did a bit of research, I feel comfortable in saying that the Northwest Territories has virtually no oil and gas production, and I have not seen or heard of any potential projects that would use NWT-sourced gas as such.

Mr. Speaker, natural gas is the cleanest-burning fuel, whether in the form of compressed natural gas or liquefied natural gas. Natural gas has been proven an excellent alternative fuel source that significantly improves local air quality and reduces greenhouse gases.

Natural gas power generation emits 21 per cent fewer GHG emissions than comparable gasoline and diesel power generation and further 75 per cent less carbon monoxide, 49 per cent less nitrogen oxides, and 95 per cent lower particulate matter emissions.

Most of the world's major economies have and are further currently converting to natural gas to reduce and replace diesel power generation.

Mr. Speaker, I believe this could be a great help towards our future and I hope Cabinet agrees with me. Later today I will have questions for the Minister of Infrastructure . Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Canadian North Lng Corp.

Members' Statements

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Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Members' statements. Member for Sahtu .

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Carbon Tax Policy

Members' Statements

Daniel McNeely

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, this year the NWT residents will see a Carbon Price Tax. Placing a price tag on carbon emissions will have an impact on all residents, communities, industry, businesses, and government infrastructure.

Mr. Speaker, the current approach of dividing responsibilities for the Climate Change Policy includes overlapping duties between the 2030 Energy Strategy and ENR's Climate Change Strategic Framework.

Implications on improvements and benefits can be seen from other jurisdictions.

Mr. Speaker, in particular, the province of British Columbia's carbon price policy can provide lessons on positive growth from this emerging Industry. In 2014, more than 68,000 residents worked in clean economy jobs, up 12.5 per cent from 2010. Strengthening the carbon tax in conjunction with incentives like a tax credit will encourage businesses to accelerate investment in solutions like training, technology, retrofitting, and improved processes.

Mr. Speaker, on the issues of public opportunities 2030 Energy Strategy implementation to this emerging industry, later I will have questions to the Minister of the Department of Infrastructure. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Carbon Tax Policy

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Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Members' statements. Member for Kam Lake .

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Land Transfer Tax Proposal

Members' Statements

Kieron Testart

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On the mandate of the 18th Assembly, this government committed to lowering the cost of living in the NWT in order to improve our residents' quality of life and attract more people to make their homes in the territory. I am so surprised to see a new tax proposal, that this government will not only be failing to live up to this mandate commitment, but adding an unnecessary new burden to anyone considering relocating up North or buying a home and therefore counteracting their stated public policy proposal.

I will, of course, remind this House that when the Minister was asked about the public policy object of his proposal, he was silent on anything other than increasing revenues for government. We must ask ourselves if this is really the time to be considering placing more weight on the shoulders of middle-class families and those seeking to join the middle class who live across the territory in our tax-based communities. I, for one, certainly think not.

The median price for a home in my community of Yellowknife is $336,000. According to the CMHC activity and the resale market in Yellowknife, it was strong in 2016, and housing construction was strong, particularly in the single-family segment, which in 2016 saw a 41 per cent increase compared to the previous year. It was expected to be a stable year as well in 2017, but no data has yet been released. However, national home sales have decreased by 14 per cent from December to January of this year. The number of newly listed homes plunged 21.6 per cent from December 2017 to January 2018.

This indicates a severe weakness in the market. Now is not the time to go tampering with the tax formula that would directly affect our local market at a time of admitted economic instability throughout our territory.

To speak more directly on the current land tax and fee regime, we pay through mortgage and land title fees on average much lower than those jurisdictions who have implemented a land transfer tax. I see no benefit in this, other than an unimaginative way to break the backs of my hard-working middle-class constituents in order to fill government coffers. I find this proposal unacceptable, Mr. Speaker.

Yellowknife just received a new form of taxation last year when this government decided that our tourism sector was starting to grow at a fast rate, so we should have an airport tax. Why does this government not care about financial burdens it puts on its citizens?

I do not support this tax, and I hope the Minister withdraws this tax proposal. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Land Transfer Tax Proposal

Members' Statements

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Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Members' statements. Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh .

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Eulogy For Victorine (Vicky) Desjarlais

Members' Statements

Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Mr. Speaker, today I speak about the passing of an elder, Victorine Desjarlais, of Lutselk'e, whom everyone knew as "Vicky." Vicky was born on May 3, 1932, and was predeceased by her husband Philip Desjarlais, who was a former chief of Lutselk'e Dene First Nation; and her siblings: Albina, Morris, Johnny, Frank, Harriet, and Henry; as well as her granddaughter, Layla. Vicky was survived by her 10 children: Stella, Stan, Ron, Roy, Shirley, Tommy, Joyce, Kenny, Cheryl, and Cindy; as well as her sister Christine, and numerous grandchildren, great-grandchildren, and nieces and nephews.

Vicky was an amazing woman. She raised her family with her spiritual teachings, traditional knowledge, cultural values and beliefs, as well as respect for the land, water, and wildlife. She had a great sense of humour and loved to tell stories and share her traditional knowledge. She loved beading and sewing traditional clothing for her family. I was lucky enough to obtain a beautiful pair of gloves that she made. She also loved being out on the land. And most of all she loved spending time with her family and friends.

Vicky's strong wisdom, teachings, and wonderful stories will forever live on in the hearts of her family and future generations to come. I visited with Vicky occasionally during my community visits and always enjoyed whatever she wanted to tell me.

I take this opportunity to extend my condolences to Vicky's family, friends, and to all of the people of Lutselk'e who respected her greatly. She will be sorrowfully missed by those people and everyone around the area that knew Vicky. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Eulogy For Victorine (Vicky) Desjarlais

Members' Statements

The Speaker

Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Our condolences to the family as well. Members' statements. Member for Frame Lake .

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Ministerial Meetings Transparency And Accountability

Members' Statements

Kevin O'Reilly

Frame Lake

Merci, Monsieur Ie President. This government was committed to beign more transparent and accountable. One of the elements of this accountability is the public engagement and transparency portal, which includes a registry showing the meetings of Cabinet Ministers with a variety of outside individuals and organizations. There are a lot of entries in these listings giving dates, times, and names. You can deduce a lot about the priorities and interests that appear to influence our Cabinet. In the end, the lack of real information on the subjects of meetings doesn't do a lot to create transparency.

Consider the listings for the Premier . Based upon the entries in the registry from January 1, 2017, to January 30, 2018, the Premier would appear to have had 23 meetings with businesspeople, including four meetings with mining companies and six meetings with oil and gas interests. There are no meetings listed with civil society, such as environmental or social justice organizations.

During the period of the January 2017 Association for Mineral Exploration round-up in Vancouver, the registry shows one meeting on one day with the Mineral Exploration Roundup chairs and no meetings with individual mining firms. I thought one-on-one meetings were the point of going to Vancouver. There are also a variety of meetings with what appear to be foreign government trade representatives, often in the company of foreign companies themselves, and there are listings of meetings with business representatives which are not listed as business meetings.

Identification of meetings under the loose categories "telephone call," "interest group and associations," or "other" doesn't tell you a lot in most cases.

What is really missing is any indication of the general nature of the discussion. When Northwestel meets with the Premier , is it discussion on the improvement of service, use of fibre optic lines, taxation policy, or what? In the three meetings with Dominion Diamonds, was the subject specific to the Ekati Mine, input on the Mineral Resources Act, or something else?

This registry improved when it went online and became searchable. It's a good starting contribution to the transparency this government says it is striving to achieve, but more progress needs to be made. I'll have questions for the Minister responsible for Public Engagement and Transparency later today. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Ministerial Meetings Transparency And Accountability

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The Speaker

Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

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Jackson Lafferty

Colleagues, I'd like to take this opportunity to recognize the following Pages from my riding of Monfwi. I'd like to thank Lynn Football and Reanna Smith, who are both here from Mezi School of Whati, and their chaperone, May Louise Football, for being here. In addition, I'd like to say a big masi cho to all the Pages who are doing a great service to us as Legislative Assembly Members. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member for Hay River South .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Wally Schumann

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today, I'd like to recognize Braden McCullough, a very good friend of my son's, who lives here in Yellowknife, and it's her first time here to the Assembly.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

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Jackson Lafferty

Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member for Yellowknife North .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Cory Vanthuyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, too, want to recognize a Page today. Owen Rilet is a constituent of Yellowknife North. Welcome, and thank you to all the Pages for the great work they do on our behalf. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

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Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Are we missing anyone in the gallery? It's always nice to have an audience as part of our proceedings. Masi. Item 6, acknowledgements. Member for Yellowknife Centre .

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Acknowledgement 2-18(3): Nicole Latour – Nova Scotia Chief Electoral Officer’s Quality, Value And Service Award

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Julie Green

Yellowknife Centre

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to acknowledge the achievements of my constituent, Nicole Latour, with the Province of Nova Scotia Chief Electoral Officer's Quality, Value and Service Award, recognizing outstanding achievements by elections officers. As Canada's only First Nations Chief Electoral Officer, Ms. Latour advised the Nova Scotia Chief Electoral Officer on a strategy to increase Indigenous Peoples' participation in provincial elections. Her advice produced good results, and she has been honoured with this award. Please join me in offering congratulations to Ms. Latour for receiving this award. Mahsi.

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Acknowledgement 2-18(3): Nicole Latour – Nova Scotia Chief Electoral Officer’s Quality, Value And Service Award

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Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Acknowledgements. Item 7, oral questions. Member for Nahendeh .

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Question 145-18(3): Liquid Natural Gas Proposal

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Shane Thompson

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'd like to follow up on my Member's statement today, and I have some questions for the Minister of Infrastructure . As part of the NWT climate change, have the various departments looked at potentially expanding the use of liquid natural gas, commonly known as LNG, outside the Inuvik source of NWT natural gas? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 145-18(3): Liquid Natural Gas Proposal

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Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Minister of Infrastructure .

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Question 145-18(3): Liquid Natural Gas Proposal

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Wally Schumann

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. LNG is used specifically in Inuvik right now, as well all know. As we develop our 2030 Energy Strategy and our energy plan going forward, LNG is a significant part of that, to reduce our greenhouse house gas emissions. When we roll that out later this spring, we will see the opportunities that are available to residents of the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 145-18(3): Liquid Natural Gas Proposal

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Shane Thompson

Nahendeh

I thank the Minister for that answer, and it's good to hear that the department and the governments are looking at that. So my next question for the Minister: has the Minister had the opportunity to discuss the proposal with the staff about the Canadian North LNG Project?

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Question 145-18(3): Liquid Natural Gas Proposal

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Wally Schumann

Hay River South

As of late, when we are at the Mineral Roundup, that group was there and I had a chat with them, and they have sent me a proposal of how they see they can use the Cameron Hills LNG possibly in the Northwest Territories.

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Question 145-18(3): Liquid Natural Gas Proposal

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Shane Thompson

Nahendeh

I thank the Minister, who kind of answered my third question, so I'll go back to my second question. Has the Minister talked to his staff about this proposal that, supposedly, some of the former Department of Public Works talked to these proponents of this proposal?

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Question 145-18(3): Liquid Natural Gas Proposal

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Wally Schumann

Hay River South

The Member is talking about, maybe, the original proposal which they had submitted previous to both him and me being elected to the Legislative Assembly. The latest one they've sent me, they revised their proposal, and it is a different approach of how they can use the gas out of the Cameron Hills, ship it to Alberta, process it just across the border, and then be able to sell it back to proponents in the Northwest Territories, being either NTPC or a mining company or something like that.

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Question 145-18(3): Liquid Natural Gas Proposal

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Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Oral questions. Member for Nahendeh .

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Question 145-18(3): Liquid Natural Gas Proposal

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Shane Thompson

Nahendeh

Thank you, and I thank the Minister for that clarification. I think he's correct in saying that it might have been a previous proposal. So is the Minister willing to set up a meeting with myself and the principal organizer, or principal component of this company, and some interested people in the Northwest Territories who wish to see this project being feasible? Is he willing to work with us to set up a meeting? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 145-18(3): Liquid Natural Gas Proposal

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Wally Schumann

Hay River South

I'd gladly sit down with the Member and the proponents of the Canadian Natural Gas Proposal, whatever their legal entity name is, and the people who want to discuss it, and look at opportunities for the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 145-18(3): Liquid Natural Gas Proposal

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Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Oral questions. Member for Mackenzie Delta .

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Question 146-18(3): Willow River Bridge All-Weather Road Project

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as a follow-up to my Member's statement, I have a few questions for the Minister of Infrastructure . I'd like to ask the Minister: what is the current status of the department's work on the Willow River Bridge and all-weather road project? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jackson Lafferty

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Question 146-18(3): Willow River Bridge All-Weather Road Project

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Wally Schumann

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We've worked diligently with the community of Aklavik on this road and bridge project for the Richardson Mountains. They've accessed the CAP funding since 2011, and they do have a new proposal in right now to the department that's having a look at it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 146-18(3): Willow River Bridge All-Weather Road Project

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Has the Minister prioritized the Willow River bridge in his infrastructure planning?

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Question 146-18(3): Willow River Bridge All-Weather Road Project

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Wally Schumann

Hay River South

If it's through the CAP program, that's an application that's on a first-come-first-served basis, and I think the community of Aklavik has done very well on it. As for the longer federal infrastructure plan, we're going to be signing our bilateral year pretty soon, hopefully in the next month or so with the federal Minister, and those types of programs are still being worked out; but I think there are plenty of opportunities for communities within the new infrastructure funding that's coming to the Northwest Territories over the next 10 years.

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Question 146-18(3): Willow River Bridge All-Weather Road Project

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

What will the Minister do to help his partners in the Mackenzie Delta complete the Willow River bridge and all-weather road project?

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Question 146-18(3): Willow River Bridge All-Weather Road Project

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Wally Schumann

Hay River South

The department always has ongoing discussions with the people of Aklavik who have applied for this funding. There are ongoing engineering and technical challenges that need to be worked out, and the department is working with them. As I've said, the CAP funding is on a first-come-first-served basis, and the community has done very well on it, and we're looking at if we're going to be able to fund them this year as well.

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Question 146-18(3): Willow River Bridge All-Weather Road Project

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Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Oral questions. Member for Sahtu .

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Question 147-18(3): Carbon Tax Policy

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Daniel McNeely

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I mentioned in my statement, I'll have questions for the Minister of Infrastructure . My first question is: why is there overlap between the work done on climate change between Departments of Infrastructure and Natural Resources and Finance? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jackson Lafferty

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Question 147-18(3): Carbon Tax Policy

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Wally Schumann

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Our department, Infrastructure, we're working on our 2030 Energy Strategy, but it is linked specifically to the NWT Climate Change Strategic Framework. We are working together with us, ENR, and the Department of Finance to ensure consistency between all the strategies moving forward that are being developed. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 147-18(3): Carbon Tax Policy

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Daniel McNeely

Sahtu

Thanks to the Minister for the answer. My next question is: what is the government doing to help the NWT move to a lower-carbon economy?

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Question 147-18(3): Carbon Tax Policy

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Wally Schumann

Hay River South

We believe that transitioning to a strong, healthy economy that is less reliant on diesel fuel is to the benefit of all residents and communities in the Northwest Territories. To secure sustainable sources of energy, we will help to stabilize the cost of living as we move forward, as the new technologies come along and as the new infrastructure money rolls out.

That is why we have developed our 2030 energy strategy that I have talked about, which we have engaged with communities to find solutions and set long-term targets to reduce greenhouse gas emissions for the Northwest Territories, from electrical generation, heating, transportation. These are all going to be laid out in our strategy when we table it, but it also has in there how do we increase efficiencies from not only our own buildings but within communities, and how do we help address industry emissions, as well. So all of these things are going to help us meet our national climate change objectives.

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Question 147-18(3): Carbon Tax Policy

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Daniel McNeely

Sahtu

Thanks to the Minister for that clarification and moving-forward statement. My next question is: this 2030 is a long-term vision, but what is the government going to do in the immediate future to address the high cost of energy in our small communities while creating jobs for Northerners?

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Question 147-18(3): Carbon Tax Policy

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Wally Schumann

Hay River South

As I have said, we are going to be tabling our 2030 energy strategy pretty soon, but that has the long-term vision, to 2030. We are going to be rolling out a three-year action plan for this session or this Assembly going forward so we have something to work on, which will be released this spring. In that action plan, we will have details, specific details, of the actions that we are going to take, the infrastructure money that is needed to accomplish this.

We have six strategic objectives that we want to complete in that, but we are still negotiating our bilateral agreements, which this strategy is going to be using this funding for. Some of the specifics that we have in there over the immediate time, what we are going to do: we are talking about doing a large-scale windmills in Inuvik as one of the ones that we want to move forward right away; transmission lines, as I talked about in the House yesterday.

The other fund that is coming forward is the low-carbon economy fund, and that is a different pot of money, outside the infrastructure one, and that is one of the ones of great importance, I think, to the residents of the Northwest Territories. It is aimed at the Arctic Energy Alliance, and, hopefully when we sign off on that bilateral, we will be able to help the Arctic Energy Alliance, give them more money but also to help us meet our greenhouse gas emissions and stuff in the communities.

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Question 147-18(3): Carbon Tax Policy

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Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Oral questions. Member for Sahtu .

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Question 147-18(3): Carbon Tax Policy

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Daniel McNeely

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am glad to hear the Minister had mentioned there is a fund available here. That leads me to my final question: the residents of the Sahtu would like to know what investments this government will commit to making in our communities? Mahsi.

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Question 147-18(3): Carbon Tax Policy

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Wally Schumann

Hay River South

The government is committed to investing in all of the communities in the Northwest Territories, but, in particular in the Sahtu, we have completed a biomass heating which was installed in the schools in Tulita and Fort Good Hope last year; we hope to expand the wood pellet use in the Sahtu region; we have the wind monitoring that will be getting under way very soon in Norman Wells, as that is one of the sites that has the potential to put a windmill in there; we have solar still being considered for a number of communities in the Sahtu; and I think there is some considerable potential that could be put on the Bear River for hydro potential, but that is something we would have to look at long-term.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 147-18(3): Carbon Tax Policy

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Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Oral questions. Member for Frame Lake .

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Question 148-18(3): Ministerial Meetings – Transparency And Accountability

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Kevin O'Reilly

Frame Lake

Merci, Monsieur le President. My questions are for the Minister responsible for Public Engagement and Transparency, and they are with regard to the public engagement and transparency portal website. There is some confusion or inconsistency in terms of how ministerial meetings are classified. While I believe that the registry is a good first step, the deficiencies I outlined in my Member's statement really limit the value of this work. First of all, is the Minister aware of inconsistencies in classifying the type of ministerial meetings, and is he prepared to work with Regular MLAs to make improvement? Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Jackson Lafferty

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Question 148-18(3): Ministerial Meetings – Transparency And Accountability

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Louis Sebert

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have been reporting on all Ministers' meetings with outside parties since April 2015, and, prior to that, the Premier had previously published a report of all of his meetings with outside parties, going back to January 2014, so this registry has been in effect for some time. Of course, staff in each Minister's office is responsible for entering and verifying the information that is published. Now, the information that goes into that registry is the date of the meeting, name of organization, parties in attendance, lead Minister and other attending Ministers, and type of meetings.

Now, the type of meetings seem to fall into two categories, those with interest groups and intergovernmental, which perhaps do not provide as much information as the Member opposite would like. Certainly, we would be willing to look at improvements to that system.

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Question 148-18(3): Ministerial Meetings – Transparency And Accountability

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Kevin O'Reilly

Frame Lake

It is great to get such a positive response from the Minister. I am happy to chat with him when we have a little bit of down time around this. In terms of listing ministerial meetings, there is a column about who the meeting was held with. Sometimes names of individuals are mentioned; other times, an organization only. There seems to be room for improvement and better consistency. Is the Minister prepared to review this aspect of the meeting registry and work with Regular MLAs to improve the registry itself?

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Question 148-18(3): Ministerial Meetings – Transparency And Accountability

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Louis Sebert

Thebacha

Yes. Prior to this afternoon, I did look through the registry, and I did notice that earlier on sometimes just individuals were listed or sometimes just organizations. I did notice of late that individuals and organizations were listed, and I think that is quite appropriate and proper.

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Question 148-18(3): Ministerial Meetings – Transparency And Accountability

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Kevin O'Reilly

Frame Lake

Again, I would like to thank the Minister for agreeing to improve the registry, but the single most important thing is that there is a lack of any information on the purpose or content of the meetings. Obviously, some elements of confidentiality must be maintained, but simply giving a name under the heading "telephone call" does not provide much information on the nature of our Ministers' activities in this consensus government. Will the Minister work with Regular MLAs to develop criteria for providing more informative listings that describe the general subjects of such meetings to promote greater transparency?

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Question 148-18(3): Ministerial Meetings – Transparency And Accountability

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Louis Sebert

Thebacha

Certainly, I would be willing to discuss this with the Regular Members and bring their concerns to Cabinet. I am not certain what kind of improvements are being contemplated, whether it would place too much of a burden on staff to have a very lengthy description of what took place in the meetings. I suppose that would be possible, but that would impose, as I say, an additional burden on staff. I do agree, having really only two designations of interest group or intergovernmental should certainly be improved, but I would certainly be looking for suggestions from Members opposite as to how that category could be improved. Thank you.

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Question 148-18(3): Ministerial Meetings – Transparency And Accountability

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Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Oral questions. Member for Frame Lake .

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Question 148-18(3): Ministerial Meetings – Transparency And Accountability

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Kevin O'Reilly

Frame Lake

Merci, Monsieur le President. I want to thank the Minister again. I heard the word "burden" mentioned several times, and that is not what I am interested in creating. I am interested in creating transparency. This government, though, has resisted calls for creation of a lobbyist registry. In the post-devolution NWT, there is a lot more at stake, of course. If we had such a registry, we would know whose interests are being represented and have a better idea why meetings are taking place. Will the Minister take transparency and accountability to the next level and work with Regular MLAs and the public to create a Northwest Territories lobbyist registry? Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Louis Sebert

Thebacha

Having a formal lobbyist registry would require costs to enact new legislation, and we are a small jurisdiction. I have looked at other jurisdictions, and the other jurisdictions in the North do not have a lobbyist registry, nor does the province of Prince Edward Island. I think a formal registry would be overly cumbersome and unnecessary in our jurisdiction.

One of the questions that does occur to me about a lobbyist registry or a reporting registry that we already have, I have been looking at other jurisdictions and wondering why the Regular Members do not report. Thank you.

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Jackson Lafferty

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Question 149-18(3): Core Housing Needs Funding

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Julie Green

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, my questions are for the Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation . Mr. Speaker, the Housing Corporation's budget that we were debating in the main estimates is going to decrease in this fiscal year, yet the action plan the Minister has produced says that there will be spending of $20 million in the next fiscal year. My question is: where is that money from the action plan going to come from and when? Thank you.

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Jackson Lafferty

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Question 149-18(3): Core Housing Needs Funding

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Caroline Cochrane

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. At this point, actually, I do not know exactly where all of the allocations are coming from. Because it is really technical asking me about finances and I don't have that on hand, I will have to take notice of the question. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jackson Lafferty

Masi. The question has been taken as notice. Oral questions. Member for Kam Lake .

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Question 150-18(3): Proposed Access To Information And Protection Of Privacy Legislation

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Kieron Testart

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Earlier today there was a public hearing with the Information and Privacy Commissioner, and it brought to my mind the long-required need to bring about new access to information and privacy protection legislation in this building. We are still working off of the original legislation that came about in 1996. A lot has changed since then. I would like to ask the Minister of Justice : what progress is being made on updating ATIP legislation? Thank you.

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Jackson Lafferty

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Question 150-18(3): Proposed Access To Information And Protection Of Privacy Legislation

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Louis Sebert

Thebacha

Yes, Mr. Speaker. We are working on updating the ATIP information, and certainly it is important. There were many suggestions made as to how it could be improved, and we are dedicated to improving that piece of legislation. Thank you.

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Kieron Testart

Kam Lake

Does the Minister have any timelines that he can inform the House of when this legislation is anticipated to come forward?

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Louis Sebert

Thebacha

Yes. We are engaging and have been engaging with various communities and governments with respect to this legislation, and I hope to be bringing forward legislation this year.

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Louis Sebert

Thebacha

We are, of course, very cognizant of our responsibilities under ATIP and other privacy legislations, so I would hope that all legislation is looked at through that lens.

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Question 150-18(3): Proposed Access To Information And Protection Of Privacy Legislation

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Kieron Testart

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is the Minister of Hope. He often hopes when we raise questions to him, but can the Minister commit to do more than hope and actually do some work to put a public policy lens? Like we do with gender-based analysis and like we do with Indigenous rights analysis, can he put a Privacy by Design lens on policy proposals? Let's narrow the focus, Mr. Speaker. Can he put a privacy lens on Cabinet submissions? Thank you.

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Louis Sebert

Thebacha

I have not contemplated that to this point, but certainly would be willing to look into it. Thank you.

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Jackson Lafferty

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Question 151-18(3): Formula Funding For Municipalities

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Kieron Testart

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there is an ongoing issue with the shortfall in municipal funding that is provided through our funding formula to municipal governments of the Northwest Territories. The Minister has indicated that she is looking at fixing some of those. Can we get more details from the Minister on what our municipalities can expect moving forward on closing the gap in municipal funding? Thank you.

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Question 151-18(3): Formula Funding For Municipalities

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Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs .

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Question 151-18(3): Formula Funding For Municipalities

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Caroline Cochrane

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Since the analysis was done of the shortfall of community governments a number of years ago, every single year, Cabinet has provided extra money towards that. We are hopeful that that will continue.

We are working at the moment with the NWT Association of Communities to finalize the plan, and at this point, we are not yet finished. Right now, what I can say is that every year there has been an increase, and I am hopeful that that will continue. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Kieron Testart

Kam Lake

That gap, when we started our term, was $32 million. How much has this government invested in closing that gap? I am looking for a dollar figure, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 151-18(3): Formula Funding For Municipalities

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Caroline Cochrane

Range Lake

For this last year, actually, the proposal within the budget is a proposed $1.2 million. I do not know the exact for every year. What I do know is that we have given increases for the operation and maintenance, and we have given increases for the water and sewer. We are working with the federal government for the capital and infrastructure monies that are needed, and we work closely with each community so that they can leverage their monies that they have to actually get the federal infrastructure dollars.

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Kieron Testart

Kam Lake

I will remind the Minister that this is the not the federal government's obligation. This is our own funding formula, and the money should be coming from this government, or that funding formula needs to change if this government cannot afford it. We need to figure this out, but if the Minister is right and we are spending $1.2 million, it is going to take 32 years to close this gap. If not a dollar amount, how much time has been dedicated to a plan? Do we have a five-year plan, a 10-year plan, a 20-year plan? How long is it going to take to close this gap?

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Question 151-18(3): Formula Funding For Municipalities

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Caroline Cochrane

Range Lake

I am well aware that this is not a federal government issue; this is a territorial issue. Like I said before, we are not finished the strategic plan. We are still working with the Association of Communities to deal with it. I would like to bring attention to, however, in my personal opinion, the territorial government is also underfunded, and that is a federal issue.

I empathize with all of the communities. I would love to have money that I could give to every community and every department. We all need money, but I think we are all well aware that the economy is not very good at this time, and we have to live within our means. We are trying to help community as best as possible, but we also do not have the means.

If the federal government would like to give us more money, then I would be more than willing to accept that funding so that we can not only help the communities but our territorial government departments that are in need also.

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Question 151-18(3): Formula Funding For Municipalities

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Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Oral questions. Member for Kam Lake .

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Question 151-18(3): Formula Funding For Municipalities

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Kieron Testart

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Making best use of limited financial resources, in the words of our august Finance Minister , I wonder if we can prioritize this as a mandate commitment. It is a requirement of our funding formula. MACA itself, the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs has done this analysis. When will this government meet its own requirements that it has established for itself to support our communities? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 151-18(3): Formula Funding For Municipalities

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Caroline Cochrane

Range Lake

We are working diligently on trying to address it. I would like to remind everyone that we have, I believe, over 200 mandates that we are trying to address, and not very many of those mandates do not cost money. So if we are trying to address all of those hundreds of mandates, we need a lot more money than we actually have. So I am committed to try to help the communities. I think the communities understand that.

We have provided increases with their operating and maintenance and their water and sewer every single year since that study was done; and as the economy turns, as we have the resources, we will support the communities. We care about our communities. They are our people. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 151-18(3): Formula Funding For Municipalities

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Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Oral questions. Item 8, written questions. Item 9, returns to written questions. Item 10, replies to Commissioner's opening address. Item 11, petitions. Item 12, reports of standing and special committees. Item 13, reports of committees on the review of bills. Item 14, tabling of documents. The Honourable Premier .

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Tabled Document 91-18(3): Correspondence To Mary Simon Regarding Arctic Leadership Model

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, I wish to table the following document, "Correspondence to Mary Simon Regarding Arctic Leadership Model." Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Tabled Document 91-18(3): Correspondence To Mary Simon Regarding Arctic Leadership Model

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Jackson Lafferty

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Tabled Document 92-18(3): Energy Initiatives Report 2016-2017

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Wally Schumann

Hay River South

Mr. Speaker, I wish to table the following document entitled "Energy Initiatives Report 2016-2017." Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Tabled Document 92-18(3): Energy Initiatives Report 2016-2017

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Jackson Lafferty

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Tabled Document 93-18(3): Inuvialuit Water Board Budget 2018-2019

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Mr. Speaker, I wish to table the following document entitled "Inuvialuit Water Board Budget 2018-2019." Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Tabled Document 93-18(3): Inuvialuit Water Board Budget 2018-2019

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Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Tabling of documents. Item 15, notices of motion. Item 16, notices of motion for first reading of bills. Item 17, motions. Item 18, first reading of bills. Item 19, second reading of bills. Minister of Justice .

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Bill 5:

An Act To Amend The

Summary Conviction Procedures Act

Second Reading of Bills

Louis Sebert

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Hay River South , that Bill 5,

An Act to Amend the

Summary Conviction Procedures Act , be read for the second time.

This bill amends the

Summary Conviction Procedures Act to provide that the act does not apply to the contravention of a municipal parking bylaw for which an administrative monetary penalty has been established. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jackson Lafferty

Masi. The motion is in order. To the principle of the bill.

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Bill 5:

An Act To Amend The

Summary Conviction Procedures Act

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Bill 5:

An Act To Amend The

Summary Conviction Procedures Act

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The Speaker

Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Question has been called. The motion is carried.

---Carried

Bill 5 has had its second reading. It's now referred to Committee of the Whole, standing committee. Second reading of bills. Item 20, consideration in Committee of the Whole of bills and other matters: Minister's Statement 1-18(3), North Slave Correctional Complex Inmate Concerns; Minister's Statement 19-18(3), Aurora College Foundational Review Process; Minister's Statement 32-18(3), Update on the Northwest Territories Disability Framework and Action Plan; Tabled Document 63-18(3), Main Estimates 2018-2019, with the Member for Sahtu in the chair.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

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Daniel McNeely

I call Committee of the Whole to order. What is the wish of committee? Mr. Beaulieu .

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Marsi cho, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, committee would like to consider Tabled Document 63-18(3), Main Estimates 2018-2019, with the continuation of the Department of Executive and Indigenous Affairs, followed by the Department of Lands and the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

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Daniel McNeely

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . We will take a short break.

---SHORT RECESS

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I call committee back to order. Mr. Beaulieu .

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I move that the chair of the Committee of the Whole leave the chair and report progress. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

Daniel McNeely

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . A motion is on the floor to report progress. The motion is in order and is non-debatable. All those in favour? All those opposed? Seeing none, the motion is carried.

---Carried

I will now rise and report progress. Thank you.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

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Jackson Lafferty

May I have the report, Member for Sahtu ?

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Daniel McNeely

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, your committee has been considering Tabled Document 63-18(3), Main Estimates 2018-2019, and would like to report progress. Mr. Speaker, I move that the report of the Committee of the Whole be concurred with. Mahsi.

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Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Do I have a seconder? Member for Deh Cho . The motion is in order. All those in favour? All those opposed?

---Carried

The motion is carried. Masi. Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh .

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I speak unanimous consent to return to item 20, consideration in Committee of the Whole of bills and other matters. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Jackson Lafferty

By the authority given to me as Speaker by Motion 7-18(3), I hereby authorize the House to sit beyond the daily hour of adjournment to consider business before the House, with the Member for Sahtu in the Chair.

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The Chair

Daniel McNeely

I call the committee to order. Mr. Beaulieu .

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, committee would like to consider Tabled Document 63-18(3), Main Estimates 2018-2019, and continue with the Department of Executive and Indigenous Affairs, then moving on to the Department of Lands, and then to the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

Daniel McNeely

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Committee, we have agreed to continue our consideration of Tabled Document 63-18(3), Main Estimates 2018-2019. As per your wishes, we will begin with consideration of the Department of Executive and Indigenous Affairs. Committee has agreed to forego general comments on each department and move straight into consideration of the activity details. I will turn to the Minister responsible for the Department of Executive and Indigenous Affairs. Premier McLeod, do you wish to bring witnesses to the House?

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Yes, I do, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

Daniel McNeely

Thank you, Premier . Sergeant-at-Arms, please escort the witnesses into the Chamber. Thank you, Premier . I will now ask committee to turn to the main estimates document, Department of Executive and Indigenous Affairs, beginning on page 107. Prior to that, can the Premier please introduce the witnesses for the record.

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. To my right, I have Mike Aumond, the deputy minister of Executive and Indigenous Affairs. To my left, I have Terence Courtoreille, the director of Shared Services. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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The Chair

Daniel McNeely

Thank you, Premier . On page 107, we will defer this activity

summary and proceed on page 111. Cabinet support operations

summary, $1,625,000. Can I ask Members to refer to which pages their questions refer? Any questions to this activity? Starting on 111 and 112. Questions? Mr. Thompson .

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Shane Thompson

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Could the Premier please confirm: is this the

section where GSOs are in? Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. GSOs fall under the

section entitled Directorate.

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Jackson Lafferty

Thank you, Premier McLeod. Mr. Thompson . Mr. Thompson , we are on pages 111 and 112.

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Nahendeh

I don't have questions on this section. Thank you.

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Daniel McNeely

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Kevin O'Reilly

Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. In this section, there is a line item here for Public Utilities Board. In the mandate for the 18th Assembly, one of the commitments is to improve net metering for our residents so that we can try to build more energy self-sufficiency. Have there been any changes in direction to the Public Utilities Board with regard to net metering? Thanks, Mr. Chair.

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Daniel McNeely

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I should point out that this department only provides administrative services to the Public Utilities Board Minister . However, having said that, there has been no further direction to PUB on net metering. We expect that any direction will emanate with the release of the upcoming new energy strategy for the Government of the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Frame Lake

Thanks. I appreciate the clarification from the Premier . The mandate commitment reads as follows: "We will support net metering through clear policy direction to the Public Utilities Board to provide certainty to allow customers to recover their investment in renewable energy." It is listed as an item for the executive to deal with.

When I last looked at the draft energy strategy, there was nothing in there about net metering. Are there going to be some changes, then, to the strategy, such that net metering is going to get some kind of new direction? Is that where we are going? Thanks, Mr. Chair.

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Daniel McNeely

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. As part of the business planning process, it is our intention to move the responsibility for providing services to the PUB to the Department of Infrastructure, which has the lead on energy manners, and I expect that, once it is housed there, whatever direction to the PUB will emanate from that department. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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Daniel McNeely

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Kevin O'Reilly

Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. I appreciate that. That comes as news to me. I never heard that before that the Public Utilities Board is going to be moved to administration or ministerial reporting, or whatever is going to go to Infrastructure. If I have questions, then, about how we are actually going to support net metering, is the Minister then suggesting that I need to ask those of the Minister of Infrastructure ? Thanks, Mr. Chair.

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Daniel McNeely

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. My understanding is we thought we were responding positively to requests from the standing committees, specifically the Standing Committee on Government Operations. It is my expectation, and I certainly believe that this responsibility is more properly housed within the Department of Infrastructure. I expect the appropriate direction will emanate from that department. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Frame Lake

Thanks, Mr. Chair. I think I have been to almost all of the Standing Committee on Government Operations meetings -- I am an alternate -- but I don't recall there ever being any direction from that committee to move the Public Utilities Board to the Department of Infrastructure. If indeed it was, then Infrastructure would come under Economic Development and Environment, so I am just a bit confused by what the Minister seems to be saying. Is he suggesting, then, that this is something that has been initiated by standing committees? Thanks, Mr. Chair.

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I guess to refresh the Member's memory I can provide him with a copy of the letter dated January 17, 2018, or I can table the letter in this House, or we can just give him a copy. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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Thanks. I will be the first to admit that I do not read or see every single piece of correspondence, so if the Minister wants to give me a copy, that is fine. I will go back, though, to my earlier question then: is the Minister suggesting that the five questions about where we are going with net metering, that I cannot ask him, that I need to wait until the Minister of Infrastructure is up? Thanks, Mr. Chair.

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