Oral Questions, Health and Social Services — 25 April 1995 (12th Assembly, 7th Session, pp. 1017–1040)
1995-04-25, 12th Assembly 7th Session, pp. 1017–1040
Northwest Territories — Debates (Hansard)
Debates of April 25th, 1995
This is page numbers 1017 - 1040 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 7th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.
The word of the day was chairman .
Topics
Members Present
Item 1: Prayer
Brighter Futures Funding
National Volunteer Week
Recognition Of Heroic Rescue Efforts In Wha Ti
Dangers To Polar Bears From Tracking Collars
Bill C-68,
An Act Respecting Firearms And Other Weapons
60th Anniversary Of Anglican Women's Auxiliary
Need For Medical Services For Out-of-town Patients
Ministers Absent From The House
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Funding For Non-resident Students In Yellowknife
Firefighter Training For Airports
Return To Written Question 19-12(7): Northern Preference Commitments With Nova Construction Limited
Provisional Return To Written Question 20-12(7):
Summary Of International Travel
Return To Written Question 22-12(7): Health Concerns Regarding Seal Meat
Item 12: Reports Of Committees On The Review Of Bills
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
Extended Adjournment
Extended Adjournment
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Bill 1: Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1995-96Committee Report 4-12(7): Report On The Review Of The 1995-96 Main Estimates
Bill 22: Forgiveness Of Debts Act, 1994-95
Bill 23: Write-off Of Debts Act, 1994-95
Bill 24: Community Employees' Benefits Act
Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
Item 21: Third Reading Of Bills
Bill 22: Forgiveness Of Debts Act, 1994-95
Bill 23: Write-off Of Debts Act, 1994-95
Bill 24: Community Employees' Benefits Act
Item 22: Orders Of The Day
Members Present
Mr. Ballantyne , Hon. Nellie Cournoyea , Mr. Dent , Hon. Samuel Gargan , Ms. Mike , Hon. Richard Nerysoo , Hon. Kelvin Ng , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Mr. Pudluk , Hon. John Todd , Mr. Whitford , Mr. Zoe
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Item 1: Prayer
Item 1: Prayer
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The Speaker
Good afternoon. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Nerysoo .
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Minister's Statement 71-12(7): Brighter Futures Funding
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 1017
Richard Nerysoo
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you. It's been a long time. Mr. Speaker, early childhood is the most critical stage in a person's development. It is during these years that the foundations of lifelong competencies and skills are established for children. The Department of Education, Culture and Employment's strategic plan points to the importance of community-based early childhood programs to help children learn and develop.
Some children not only benefit from early childhood programming, they require it. Early intervention is needed to help children with physical and mental conditions or who live in poverty develop to their full potential. Today, I am pleased to announce an initiative that will help communities develop and carry out early intervention projects. Health Canada has established the Brighter Futures program and the community action program for children, which fund projects that focus on issues such as mental health, child development, injury prevention, healthy babies and solvent abuse.
To assist community groups in developing early intervention strategies and to help them access these funds, the NWT Counselling Association has established a position for an early intervention coordinator for a one-year term, starting March 1, 1995. The coordinator is working out of the student support division of the Department of Education, Culture and Employment, which is providing office space and administrative support. The funding for this position has been provided by Health Canada under the Brighter Futures initiative.
The early intervention coordinator is helping distribute information on Brighter Futures, the community action program for children and other funding sources. The coordinator is also helping communities in developing early intervention proposals and establishing programs that meet community needs. Since the activities are closely related to health and social services issues, the early intervention coordinator and the staff of the Department of Health and Social Services keep each other up to date on activities.
Mr. Speaker, early childhood programs and early intervention initiatives have a great potential for improving a child's success in schools, in post-secondary training and in the workplace. I am pleased that the NWT Counselling Association and the department are partners in establishing the early intervention coordinator position and helping NWT communities in establishing these important projects. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Minister's Statement 71-12(7): Brighter Futures Funding
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
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The Speaker
Thank you, Mr. Nerysoo . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Whitford .
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National Volunteer Week
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 1017
Tony Whitford
Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'm pleased to remind Members that this is National Volunteer Week. Every year it gives me a great deal of pleasure to acknowledge all of those volunteers who do so much to enhance other people's lives. The volunteer sector of Yellowknife publishes a newsletter called "Happenings" and I have borrowed some information from it. For instance, in Canada, 13 million Canadians volunteer their time, thus contributing over 1 billion hours to various organizations and community groups.
Those volunteer hours are equivalent to 617,000 full-time positions which, based on the average wage, would exceed some $16 billion a year. If we were to compare the actual hours of work contributed by volunteers, it would top those hours worked in Canada in leading industries such as mining, agriculture and forestry. Those are, indeed, some very staggering figures. It is almost impossible to imagine what our country would be like without volunteers, were they not such a big part of our everyday life.
In Canada, we are proud to be known throughout the world as a caring society and it is certainly fitting for all of us to honour our volunteers who are largely responsible for giving Canada this fine reputation.
For most of us in the north, however, we usually just have to walk down the street in our community to spot many of our volunteers. They go about their lives quietly doing, without fanfare, and believing in what they are doing. I am told that this year, Helene Usherwood, a resident of Yellowknife, is the winner of the 1995 outstanding volunteer of the year service award. This is a prime example of volunteer spirit. Every year MACA presents some very deserving volunteers with this special award. I believe Ms. Usherwood is being honoured tomorrow at a volunteer reception. I offer my sincere congratulations to Ms.
Usherwood and would like to recognize the many, many, many local volunteers who richly deserve our acknowledgement during this special week for the very real difference that they make to all our lives. Thank you.
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National Volunteer Week
Item 3: Members' Statements
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The Speaker
Thank you, Mr. Whitford . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Zoe .
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Recognition Of Heroic Rescue Efforts In Wha Ti
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 1018
Henry Zoe
North Slave
Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to give recognition to four residents of the community of Wha Ti for the role they played in the rescue and resuscitation of a friend from the bottom of the Wha Ti, formerly known as Lac La Martre. Mr. Speaker, Frankie Nitsiza and Peter Moosenose were presented with the Commissioner's Award for Bravery and Alfred Nitsiza and Lloyd Bishop received letters of commendation for the part they played in the rescue. Mr. Speaker, the awards were presented by Commissioner Helen Maksagak yesterday at a special ceremony in the community of Wha Ti.
The rescue took place on August 12, 1993, when wind and wave conditions prevented Andrew Beaverho, 9, and Larry Flunkie, 11, from paddling a makeshift raft back to shore. Both boys abandoned the platform and attempted to swim approximately 150 feet to the community dock. Mr. Speaker, Mr. Beaverho reached the dock but Mr. Flunkie had to be pulled from the bottom by Peter Moosenose who had dived from a boat piloted by Alfred Nitsiza. Mr. Flunkie was reported to have been underwater for approximately five minutes. Mr. Flunkie was revived after two-man CPR was performed by Mr. Nitsiza and Mr. Lloyd Bishop.
He was subsequently taken to the nursing clinic and transported to Stanton Yellowknife Hospital for treatment and observation.
Mr. Speaker, I want to again commend these four individuals for the superhuman effort they displayed in saving the life of Mr. Flunkie. Mahsi.
---Applause
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Recognition Of Heroic Rescue Efforts In Wha Ti
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 1018
The Speaker
Thank you, Mr. Zoe . Item 3, Members' statement. Mr. Pudluk .
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Dangers To Polar Bears From Tracking Collars
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 1018
Ludy Pudluk
High Arctic
(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will be talking about polar bears today. When they started studying polar bears, they put collars on them. They have been using these collars for quite a while now. It was known to the Inuit that this was dangerous to the polar bears. We know that with either caribou or muskox, it doesn't matter too much if you put collars on them but it's very dangerous to put collars on polar bears because they are hunters; they rely on prey and that is how they survive. This disables the polar bear because the collar is very hard and it's heavy and it barely fits around the neck.
People have spotted polar bears that have died or have lost a lot of weight because they had collars on them. This is not very good to see especially when we try and manage our wildlife carefully. If the bears are dying away because of this, then we have to start looking at better ways of managing our polar bears, without putting collars on them. It's too dangerous to put collars on polar bears. I urge the government to look at alternative options that will not put our wildlife in danger. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Dangers To Polar Bears From Tracking Collars
Item 3: Members' Statements
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The Speaker
Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Ballantyne .
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Bill C-68,
An Act Respecting Firearms And Other Weapons
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 1018
Michael Ballantyne
Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I rise to support our colleagues in Ottawa and make a statement about Bill C-68. I want to add a little different perspective than the eloquent statements that we've heard here in the House.
Mr. Speaker, I have the deepest sympathy for victims of suicide, accidents and criminal attacks where guns are misused. Any thinking person with an ounce of compassion would agree that steps must be taken to lessen the awful cost to society of violence and of despair. This bill, in my opinion, will not achieve the noble objectives it sets out to accomplish. It seems to me to be a sincere effort by government to try to alleviate the real fears of many people, especially in big cities close to the United States deluged daily by media saturation of murders and violence.
Unfortunately, there is no magic in life or in politics. Violence is glorified in television and in the movies. The social fabric of the country is undergoing tremendous stress with all the casualties that go with it. Politicians are under tremendous pressure to do something about it. Guns are an easy and sometimes legitimate target on which to focus the anxiety of Canadians increasingly fearful for their safety and for the security of themselves and of their family.
I don't feel that Canada will be a safer place after this bill is passed. The millions of dollars that it will cost could be better spent on victims' programs which, ironically, the federal government is cutting back on as well as on firearms education and safety programs.
There are certainly positive aspects of the bill: criminal activity involving the use of weapons must be punished harshly. Making criminals of law-abiding people who aren't able to comply with the bill works against the philosophy of the bill which is to safeguard the public, not to punish it.
Education is the key to the safe use of firearms and legislation should support the transfer of knowledge and experience from one generation to the next without creating bureaucratic barriers which make that transfer more difficult. Responsible hunters, collectors, competition shooters and outfitters have respect and understand the safe handling of firearms much better than any well-meaning civil servant in Ottawa and should be recognized and utilized fully in the design and implementation of any firearms legislation.
Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to continue my statement.
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Bill C-68,
An Act Respecting Firearms And Other Weapons
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 1018
The Speaker
The Member for Yellowknife North is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement, Mr. Ballantyne .
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Bill C-68,
An Act Respecting Firearms And Other Weapons
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 1018
Michael Ballantyne
Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Instead, Mr. Speaker, they are made to feel that they are somehow the enemy who are being punished because of the actions of
criminals and a small minority of careless and thoughtless gun owners.
Firearms legislation should protect the public. It should not incriminate responsible Canadians for procedural errors or omissions. It should not threaten the economics of sport hunting. It should not threaten the livelihood of subsistence hunters. It should not make more difficult the use of firearms at shooting competitions. Members are aware that our shooters have done very well at international competitions. And fundamentally, it shouldn't threaten the traditional way of aboriginal people. This legislation, if passed, will force police officers or wildlife officers into conflict with our communities. Mr.
Speaker, despite the best of intentions, Bill C-68 in the Northwest Territories, and in much of Canada, fails the test. Thank you very much.
---Applause
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Bill C-68,
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The Speaker
Thank you, Mr. Ballantyne . Item 3, Members' statements. Ms. Mike .
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60th Anniversary Of Anglican Women's Auxiliary
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 1019
Rebecca Mike
Baffin Central
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. During our break this past week, I had the opportunity to welcome the Anglican Women's Auxiliary's 60th anniversary in Pangnirtung. There are about 50 members attending this meeting from Baffin regional communities and from Nunavut communities. Their main topic for discussion was, of course, about fund-raising. AWA's role over the years in Anglican communities has been increasing, from producing crafts to providing charity to widows, widowers and elders and others who are in need. AWA will provide catering for conferences and public meetings as well.
Mr. Speaker, at their opening of the meeting, in remembering my grandmother, Mrs. Alookie Kilabuk, who was AWA leader for many years, I was very much delighted to welcome their meeting knowing how appreciative my grandmother would have been to see the AWA's progress and the charity service the members provide in their communities.
I would like to thank Hanna Tautuajuk and Meeka Angnakkaq of Pangnirtung for organizing this important conference and to say to their members that their work in their communities may not be mentioned often, but their work makes life a lot easier for many individuals who are in need in their communities.
Mr. Speaker, during their conference, the weather was excellent in Pangnirtung, with blue skies and melting snow. The women couldn't believe how warm it got in Pangnirtung. Thank you.
---Applause
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The Speaker
Thank you, Ms. Mike . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Pudlat .
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Need For Medical Services For Out-of-town Patients
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 1019
Kenoayoak Pudlat
Baffin South
(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I stand today with regard to patients who have to travel to other communities to be treated. Mr. Speaker, I usually don't pay much attention to the workers in the hospitals, but there is still need for more services available for patients who travel to see the doctor. When they go to the hospitals there are many people who are stranded. I know they are well taken care of, but there are more services needed for people who are transient. There is a need for more services available. Children and adults are usually waiting for flights and going to and from communities.
We should worry more about the services for these patients in the hospitals; not just interpreters, but an escort service should be provided for these patients in the hospitals. This is my concern, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Thank you, Mr. Pudlat . Item 3, Members' statements. Ms. Cournoyea .
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Nellie Cournoyea
Nunakput
Mr. Speaker, may I go back to Ministers' statements, please?
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The Member for Nunakput is seeking unanimous consent to go back to item 2. Are there any nays? There are no nays, Ms. Cournoyea .
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Minister's Statement 72-12(7): Ministers Absent From The House
Revert To Item 2: Ministers' Statements
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Nellie Cournoyea
Nunakput
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My apologies. Mr. Speaker, I wish to advise Members that the Honourable Silas Arngna'naaq will be absent from the House for the remainder of the week. Mr. Arngna'naaq will be meeting with European parliamentarians in Brussels to discuss fur trapping issues, and with the Honourable Brian Tobin in Ottawa to discuss the seal industry and the turbot fishery.
The Honourable Stephen Kakfwi will also be absent from the House today to make a presentation to the House of Commons Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs on Bill C-68,
An Act Respecting Firearms and Other Weapons.
Mr. Speaker, the Honourable Don Morin will also be absent from the House indefinitely to attend to a family emergency in Edmonton. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Minister's Statement 72-12(7): Ministers Absent From The House
Revert To Item 2: Ministers' Statements
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The Speaker
Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Todd .
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Further Return To Question 445-12(7): Status Of Agricultural Policy
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
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John Todd
Keewatin Central
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have two returns to oral questions, if I may. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mrs. Marie-Jewell on April 10th regarding the status of the agriculture policy.
The department has received a proposal for an agriculture policy from the Territorial Farmers' Association. Officials in Economic Development and Tourism have contacted MACA, Health and Social Services and Renewable Resources in order to establish an interdepartmental committee which will review the proposal and identify stakeholders to participate in further discussions with the Farmers' Association.
Agriculture policy has to deal with a number of issues, the most important being land. The department is looking to the association to ensure that all affected parties are behind this effort and supportive.
Optimistically, it would seem reasonable that a draft policy could be completed and ready to circulate to stakeholders in the fall of 1995.
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Further Return To Question 443-12(7): Status Of Tourism Zone Association Review
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
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John Todd
Keewatin Central
I have a second return, Mr. Speaker. This was asked by Mr. Antoine on April 10th with respect to the status of zone associations.
I tabled the executive
summary of the NWT Tourist Association review on April 12, 1995. In order to complete the report, extensive consultations were held throughout the Northwest Territories. To obtain information on views, 187 letters and 238 facsimiles were sent to operators. Most zone managers also informed their membership of the process, while community liaison contacts hired by the consultant informed communities and interest groups through radio announcements, posters and personal telephone calls.
The consultant and association visited each of the zones and over 100 operators and interested group representatives attended one or more meetings. Individual operators were interviewed, as were government officials, zone managers, zone presidents and some board members. Written and/or oral submissions were welcome. In total, over 200 people had input into the study results through the interview process or by written communication.
In the Deh Cho area specifically, communication was sent to all licensed operators, a widely-advertised public meeting was held at Fort Simpson Visitors' Centre on March 20th. The local zone manager was advised several weeks in advance of the meeting and arrangements were made to hold it in the evening to allow for maximum attendance. The meeting was open to all. Pardon me, the meeting was open to all community representatives from Fort Simpson, Fort Liard, Trout Lake, Jean Marie River.
Community representatives from Wrigley could not attend because of weather and Nahanni Butte was not represented partly because no one wanted to attend. The Nahanni Ram Tourism Association was also represented at the meeting. The regional office in Fort Simpson offered financial assistance to representatives from outlying communities who wanted to attend.
In addition to the public meeting in Fort Simpson, the consultant met with departmental staff, interested operators, the zone manager and president. A breakfast meeting was also held with seven members of the town council of Fort Simpson. Thank you.
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Further Return To Question 443-12(7): Status Of Tourism Zone Association Review
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
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The Speaker
Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Ms. Cournoyea .
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Further Return To Question 443-12(7): Status Of Tourism Zone Association Review
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
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Nellie Cournoyea
Nunakput
Mr. Speaker, they are both returns to written questions, so they will be filed with the Clerk. My apologies.
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Further Return To Question 443-12(7): Status Of Tourism Zone Association Review
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
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The Speaker
Are there any further returns to oral questions? Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Dent .
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Question 469-12(7): Funding For Non-resident Students In Yellowknife
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Charles Dent
Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a question for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . Mr. Speaker, on February 22nd, I asked the Minister about funding for students who are attending school in Yellowknife who live outside of the city. As the Minister knows, Yellowknife taxpayers significantly subsidize the cost of operating the school system in the city. The Minister had promised to look into the situation and get back to me. Does the Minister now have an answer to this problem?
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Question 469-12(7): Funding For Non-resident Students In Yellowknife
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker
Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Nerysoo .
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Return To Question 469-12(7): Funding For Non-resident Students In Yellowknife
Question 469-12(7): Funding For Non-resident Students In Yellowknife
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Richard Nerysoo
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. No, we don't have a solution for the problem. There are two factors that have to be considered: one, the resources that are being allocated presently for the students; and, second, whether or not there's a need for us to increase the amount of money that is presently being allocated, based on the formulas that presently exist.
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Charles Dent
Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. When does the Minister expect that he will have the definitive answer to this problem?
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Mr. Minister.
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Richard Nerysoo
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I can't be definite with the honourable Member. I can just advise the honourable Member that there are a number of complex questions that have to be answered. The other point is, we have not yet resolved the issue of overall service delivery to individuals along the Ingraham Trail. That seems to be one of the biggest issues. We have not determined whether or not we have the responsibility of delivering those programs and services to those individuals. That is a complex issue. We are trying to address the issue of the formula in addition to the particular concern that the honourable Member has raised.
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Charles Dent
Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I recognize that there may be some complexity in solving the problem but, in the meantime, the taxpayers are funding services to people who normally have the services paid for by this government. So, there is some urgency in that the people of Yellowknife need to know that the problem is going to be addressed. I would like to ask the Minister, will he commit to having the problem addressed by the time we sit again in June?
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Richard Nerysoo
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I understand the concern the honourable Member has raised. This government is also concerned about the services the honourable Member is talking about. However, the issue of financing transportation and programming for education is a little more complex than one might consider. While we are trying to address some of the concerns, it has to be recognized that we have to deal with these issues in the context of the resources that my department has been assigned by this government.
Recognizing that, I don't want to create any additional expectations in the minds of people but I do want to indicate to the honourable Member that we will try to find a solution, in conjunction with the boards, to the concern the honourable Member has raised in this House.
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Charles Dent
Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. One last time, I appreciate the fact the Minister says he will work on it. Will he attempt to deal with the problem by the first two weeks in June?
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Richard Nerysoo
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I can deal with it right now and say, no, I'm not going to finance it but that would not be the most appropriate solution.
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Richard Nerysoo
Mackenzie Delta
What I will advise the honourable Members is that we are trying to be as supportive of the concerns he has raised and will try to solve how to deal with this concern with the honourable Member and with the school boards. It is a little more complex, but we will try to find a solution. I hope I can report positively, if nothing else, that something has been done. However, whether we fund the program, is another issue. But I will report back to the honourable Member for certain in June.
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Question 470-12(7): Firefighter Training For Airports
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Tony Whitford
Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question I would like to direct to the Minister of Transportation who will soon be responsible for the Arctic A airports. Mr. Speaker, as long as I can remember, there have always been firefighters at airports whenever passenger flights come in and take off. But, as of April of this year, the federal government has cut back and that program is going to be discontinued. In some cases, it already has been and the responsibility has been given to the communities nearest the airports.
The firefighters in the town, the volunteer fire departments, are claiming that they are taking on this responsibility without adequate training. They didn't want the job to begin with, but it has been put on their shoulders without proper training. I would like to ask the Minister if his department is aware of the amount of training that the local firefighters are going to be receiving from the federal government as part of this cutback program.
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Minister of Transportation , Mr. Todd .
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John Todd
Keewatin Central
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Well, as the honourable Member knows, we are still finalizing the details of the negotiations for the Arctic A airports. The general thrust has been settled and to my understanding, so has the baseline funding to some extent. We recognize the importance of firefighting and safety across the territories and at the Arctic A airports, and we are going to do whatever we can to ensure there is adequate firefighting services available. If that requires additional training, et cetera, then we will have to look to some creative thinking and some partnerships in developing the appropriate training programs that are necessary for those firefighters. Thank you.
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Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Whitford .
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Tony Whitford
Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Minister consider reviewing the standards that are going to be required? Perhaps, as the federal government pointed out, they are too high. But, if you ask the travelling public whether or not they are high, the answer is somewhat different. I would like to ask the Minister if he would review the standards that are currently being used to protect aircraft when they are landing, taking off and during refuelling, so that we can have the proper training for the firemen.
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John Todd
Keewatin Central
I believe that's under way right now. As the honourable Member has stated, there is a review of
standards as it relates to fire safety and firefighting at airports. That's under way at the present time. Once it's concluded early this year, I'd be only too happy to share the information with the honourable Members. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Item 7, written questions. Item 8, returns to written questions. Mr. Clerk.
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Return To Written Question 19-12(7): Northern Preference Commitments With Nova Construction Limited
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Page 1022
Clerk Of The House
Mr. David Hamilton
Mr. Speaker, Return to Written Question 19-12(7), asked by Mr. Patterson and replied to by the Minister of the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation concerning northern preference commitments with Nova Construction.
Mr. Patterson asked a written question that was separated into four parts, I would like today to answer all four parts in order:
1. Nova Construction was given northern preference for this contract in Clyde River, as they are a registered northern contractor under the business incentive policy.
2. In their bid, Nova Construction identified the use of $41,000 worth of local labour. Further, Nova committed to contribute $55,000 locally for room and board.
3. Nova Construction contributed $22,000 of the $41,000 committed for use of local labour and $50,3000 was spent on room and board.
4. No penalties or holdbacks have been taken against Nova Construction by the Housing Corporation, although a lower than projected amount was actually spent on local labour. Nova Construction reports that many of the local workers hired did not return after being paid and they had a difficult time replacing them. This has been confirmed in writing by a local contractor in the community. I have supplied a copy of this letter to Mr. Patterson directly. Therefore, the corporation believes that Nova Construction made a serious attempt to meet the local target.
Further, there were five other large projects being built in the community at the same time, making it more difficult to attain local labourers. The other projects that were being worked on were a two-bay maintenance garage, hamlet garage renovations, a tank farm addition, a school addition and a health centre, all costing around $6 million in total.
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Provisional Return To Written Question 20-12(7):
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Clerk Of The House
Mr. David Hamilton
I have a provisional Return To Written Question 20-12(7), asked by Mrs. Marie-Jewell and replied to by the Premier , concerning
summary of international travel.
The information requested by Mrs. Marie-Jewell has taken some time to compile and a return to the question cannot be ready by the due date of April 25, 1995. A return will be filed on or before Wednesday, June 7, 1995.
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Return To Written Question 22-12(7): Health Concerns Regarding Seal Meat
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Page 1022
Clerk Of The House
Mr. David Hamilton
I have a return to Written Question 22-12(7), asked by Ms. Mike and replied to by the Minister of Health and Social Services, concerning health concerns regarding seal meat.
The Department of Health and Social Services will continue to promote the use of seal meat as a healthy food, considering what is known about its risks and benefits. The department is currently working on the development of "fact sheets" which will outline the benefits of traditional foods. These will be made available to Inuit coastal communities and other Northwest Territories communities in 1995-96.
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The Speaker
Thank you. Item 8, returns to written questions. Item 9, replies to opening address. Item 10, petitions. Item 11, reports of standing and special committees. Item 12, reports of committees on the review of bills. Mr. Whitford .
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Item 12: Reports Of Committees On The Review Of Bills
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Page 1022
The Speaker
Report On Bill 28
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Item 12: Reports Of Committees On The Review Of Bills
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Page 1022
Tony Whitford
Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wish to report to the Assembly that the Standing Committee on Legislation has reviewed Bill 28,
An Act to Amend the Legislative Assembly and Executive Council Act , and wish to report that Bill 28 is now ready for committee of the whole. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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The Speaker
Thank you. Item 12, reports of committees on the review of bills. Mr. Dent .
Report On Bill 30
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Page 1022
Charles Dent
Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wish to report to the Assembly that the Standing Committee on Finance has reviewed Bill 30, Deficit Elimination Act , and wishes to report that Bill 30 is now ready for committee of the whole as amended and reprinted. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Page 1022
The Speaker
Thank you. Item 13, tabling of documents. Mr. Clerk.
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Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
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Clerk Of The House
Mr. David Hamilton
Mr. Speaker, in accordance with Rule 42(10), I wish to table Tabled Document 96-12(7), response to Petition 3-12(7) tabled by the Clerk and responded to by the Minister of Justice .
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The Speaker
Thank you. Item 13, tabling of documents. Item 14, notices of motion. Mr. Whitford .
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Motion 19-12(7): Extended Adjournment
Item 14: Notices Of Motions
Page 1023
Tony Whitford
Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I give notice that on Thursday, April 27th, I will move the following motion.
I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Hay River , that notwithstanding Rule 4, that when this House adjourns on Friday, April 28, 1995, it shall adjourn until Monday, June 5, 1995.
And further, that anytime prior to June 5, 1995, if the Speaker is satisfied after consultation with the Executive Council and Members of the Legislative Assembly that the public interest requires that the House should meet at an earlier time during the adjournment, the Speaker may give notice and thereupon the House shall meet at the time stated in such notice and shall transact its business as it has been duly adjourned to that time.
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The Speaker
Thank you, Mr. Whitford . Item 14, notices of motion. Item 15, notices of motions for first reading of bills. Item 16, motions. Mr. Whitford .
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Tony Whitford
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Thank you. I seek unanimous consent to deal with this motion.
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The Speaker
The Member for Yellowknife South is seeking unanimous consent to deal with this motion today. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Whitford , proceed with your motion.
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Motion 19-12(7): Extended Adjournment, Carried
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Tony Whitford
Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I MOVE, seconded by the honourable Member for Hay River , that notwithstanding Rule 4, that when the House adjourns on Friday, April 28, 1995, it shall be adjourned until Monday, June 5, 1995;
AND FURTHER, that any time prior to June 5, 1995, if the Speaker is satisfied after consultation with the Executive Council and Members of the Legislative Assembly that the public interest requires that the House should meet at an earlier time during the adjournment, the Speaker may give notice and thereupon the House shall meet at the time stated in such notice and shall transact its business as it has been duly adjourned to that time. That's my motion.
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The Speaker
Thank you, Mr. Whitford . Your motion is in order. To the motion.
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Some Hon. Members
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Motion 19-12(7): Extended Adjournment, Carried
Item 16: Motions
Page 1023
The Speaker
Question is being called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried.
---Carried
Item 17, first reading of bills. Item 18, second reading of bills. Item 19, consideration in committee of the whole of bills and other matters: Bill 1, Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1995-96 ; Bill 13,
An Act to Amend the Fair Practices Act ; Bill 16,
An Act to Amend the Retirement Plan Beneficiaries Act ; Bill 22, Forgiveness of Debts Act, 1994-95 ; Bill 23, Write-off of Debts Act, 1994-95 ; Bill 24, Community Employees' Benefits Act ; Bill 26,
An Act to Amend the Jury Act ; Bill 27,
An Act to Amend the Land Titles Act ; Committee Report 2-12(7), Report on the Legislative Action Paper on the Office of Ombudsman for the Northwest Territories; Committee Report 3-12(7), Report on the Review of the Legislative Action Paper Proposing New Heritage Legislation for the Northwest Territories; Committee Report 4-12(7), Report on the Review of the 1995-96 Main Estimates; Committee Report 5-12(7), Report on the Review of Rewriting the Liquor Laws of the Northwest Territories: A Legislative Action Paper; Committee Report 6-12(7), Report on the Review of the Legislative Discussion Paper on the Draft of the New Education Act; and, Committee Report 7-12(7), Report on the Second Annual Report, 1993-94, of the Languages Commissioner of the NWT, with Mr.
Whitford in the chair.
By the authority given to the Speaker to address the sitting hours, I would like to place you in committee of the whole until such time as the committee is prepared to report.
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The Chair
Tony Whitford
Good afternoon. The committee will now come to order. What is the wish of the committee? The chair recognizes the Member for Yellowknife Frame Lake , Mr. Dent .
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Charles Dent
Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to recommend the committee resume consideration of Bill 1 and Committee Report 4-12(7), specifically to deal, first of all, with the budget for Municipal and Community Affairs, followed by the budget for the Legislative Assembly, and then perhaps we could go back and see if we could finish Economic Development and Tourism, then perhaps bills 22 and 23 .
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Thank you, Mr. Dent . Does the committee agree that we proceed in that order?
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Thank you. We can proceed with the main estimates budget book with the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs. Is the Minister prepared to make his opening remarks? Mr. Ng .
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Kelvin Ng
Kitikmeot
Yes, Mr. Chairman, thank you. Mr. Chairman, the department's mandate is to assist municipal governments and community authorities to provide responsive
government and municipal programs and services. In fulfilling this mandate, the department believes in forging strong partnerships with communities.
In the preparation of the 1995-96 main estimates, various envelope committees were established. The department was part of the Infrastructure Envelope Committee with the departments of Public Works and Services, Executive, Finance, Personnel, Intergovernmental and Aboriginal Affairs, Financial Management Board Secretary and the Legislative Assembly.
Staff of these departments worked cooperatively and collaboratively to establish priorities and seek ways of sharing limited financial resources. Numerous alternatives were examined, relative priorities compared and joint approaches explored to make better use of the financial and human resources available.
The department's 1995-96 O and M estimates is the result of this process, Mr. Chairman. For the 1995-96 fiscal year, O and M estimates of $67.933 million are proposed for the department, an increase of 5.3 per cent over the 1994-95 main estimates.
This past year the department's headquarters offices have been reorganized to streamline the organization and improve its responsiveness to community transfer initiatives, division preparation and other Cabinet priorities. The department's 1995-96 operation and maintenance main estimates reflects the revised accounting structure of this reorganization.
Reorganization has allowed the department to reduce its person year requirement, Mr. Chairman, and the department is advancing a six person year reduction in permanent person years to 141.8 person years and a .8 person year reduction in casual person years to 5.7 person years for 1995-96.
All person year reductions in the headquarters organization were made with every attempt to redeploy the staff affected to other positions in the department. To date, no one has been laid off.
The envelope committee process included three major phases, where reductions were proposed, new initiatives examined and funding for forced growth identified.
Mr. Chairman, the reductions proposed totalled $2.128 million for 1995-96. Departmental reductions are planned in the following areas:
-As a result of departmental reorganization there is a planned reduction of $820,000 in salaries.
-A reduction of $545,000 will result from an expenditure management program aimed at reducing overhead. Special management action will be taken to ensure present levels of service continue to community governments.
-A reduction of $600,000 in extraordinary funding to communities is proposed. This reduction will not limit or impact normal transfer payments to community governments, but will reduce the department's flexibility to address extraordinary funding needs.
Overall forced growth increases of $2,395,000 are proposed for 1995-96 for the following areas:
-$959,000 is proposed for the water and sewage services subsidy program resulting from the building of 171 privately-owned housing units in the Northwest Territories in 1993-94. The transfer of 23 units to government staff also increases the department's budget for this program by $85,000. This $85,000 increase is offset by an equivalent decrease in the Department of Public Works and Services budget.
Mr. Chairman, the department continues to work with communities to ensure safe water and sanitary sewage services. While most communities in the north now have a good water supply, some difficulties remain.
Coppermine, Fort McPherson and Nahanni Butte, for example, still have less than satisfactory service, and efforts are under way to improve the difficulties with their water supply.
-Forced growth funding of $395,000 is proposed to meet increased O and M costs of new municipal infrastructure in hamlets, charter communities and settlements. Hamlet transfer payments are a major part of the department's O and M funding. This funding is transferred directly by contribution to hamlets and charter communities, and accounts for nearly 45 per cent of all departmental O and M grants and contributions.
Support provided by this government to these non-tax-based communities is essential for their continued effective operation.
-$648,000 is proposed for the recreation salary subsidy program to meet costs of subsidizing the salary of recreation leaders in 19 additional communities. The subsidy applies to graduates of the Arctic College recreation leadership program and to facility maintainers.
Funding is included for those facility maintainers in 30 communities who have improved their qualifications through the department's recreation facility maintainer course. The recreation salary subsidy program supports an estimated 100 full-time positions in the Northwest Territories and the training received by facility maintainers helps protect over $110 million invested in community recreation infrastructure.
-$308,000 is proposed for the recreation facility operating subsidy program to operate newly constructed community gyms, halls, assembly buildings, above-ground pools and arenas.
In addition to these forced growth increases, Mr. Chairman, the department's 1995-96 budget has been increased as a result of two interdepartmental transfers.
-A budget transfer from the Department of Public Works and Services of $1,704,000 is proposed to offset the department's costs of the government implementing user-pay for water and sewage services to occupants of GNWT staff housing.
The Department of Public Works and Services formerly paid the full economic cost for water and sewage services for GNWT staff housing.
With the introduction of user-pay, the department now pays the difference in the subsidized rate and the economic rate. In effect, Mr. Chairman, the introduction of user-pay will reduce government expenditures for water and sewage services to GNWT staff housing.
-The department also proposes to receive a budget transfer of $978,000 from the Department of Public Works and Services for the community dust control program. This program transfer has been made in response to the Standing Committee on Finance's recommendation to this House.
The community dust control program will provide contribution funding to 39 communities at levels equivalent to that spent in each community by the Department of Public Works and Services last year for application of dust suppressant chemicals on community roads.
Mr. Chairman, I am also pleased to present new initiatives of $1,469,000. These new initiatives are largely directed at providing advice, training and support to community governments in support of the ever-increasing responsibilities communities are assuming.
The focus of the department's training initiative is the elected leaders as well as senior administrators, firefighters and land administrators who work for community governments. Also, $126,000 has been allocated to the development of an education program leading to certification of senior administrative officers.
These senior people in the community administration are key to the sound management of community governments. There is $91,000 proposed for the completion and delivery of an elected officials orientation program.
Mr. Chairman, the loss of human life and property as a result of fires in the Northwest Territories is well above national averages. Recognizing this fact, the department is pleased to propose funding for a three-year firefighter training program with $350,000 in the first year, 1995-96.
This program, to be developed in conjunction with the fire marshal's office, will provide training and support to firefighters to protect human life and property. The program will provide firefighter training, heightened general public awareness and education, and support for live firefighting exercises in regional centres.
There is $200,000 proposed for land administration training for community staff. The demand for trained land administration staff will be highest initially in Nunavut, in preparation for the transfer of municipal lands under the Nunavut final agreement, but training needs for other communities in the western NWT are expected to grow.
As Members are well aware, a referendum was held April 10, 1995, in each community in Nunavut allowing residents to decide whether their municipal council will be able to sell or lease the municipal lands to be transferred under the Nunavut final agreement. As a result of the community referenda, all Nunavut municipalities will lease municipal land, and exercise a greater authority over management of community lands after July 1996.
In support of the orderly transfer of municipal land administration to Nunavut municipalities, a community land administration certificate program has been established at Nunavut Arctic College.
Mr. Chairman, the municipal lands situation in the western Northwest Territories is in evolution. The land lease only policy, brought into effect in 1985, was intended as a temporary measure to restrict the sale of community lands in the Dene/Metis comprehensive claims area until the completion of land claims negotiations.
Cabinet recently extended the policy until July 1995, however, an evaluation of the policy, conducted in consultation with a broad range of stakeholders during 1994, has led to the decision to replace the land lease only policy with a new municipal lands policy by July 1995.
This new policy, to be developed in consultation with community governments and aboriginal stakeholders, will provide for the Minister of Intergovernmental and Aboriginal Affairs to provide a stable land administration in regions or communities where treaty or land claims negotiations are ongoing, while providing means by which communities will determine if and under what conditions, municipal lands might be sold or leased.
Mr. Chairman, a final major new initiative for which funding is proposed is the settlement operating assistance policy, which I announced several weeks ago in this House.
Mr. Chairman, in concluding these opening comments to the department's 1995-96 O and M estimates, I wish to confirm the importance of the department's partnerships with community governments.
The NWT Association of Municipalities, as the united voice of many of the community governments in the NWT, is an important partner and I look forward to a strong working relationship with the association.
At the association's annual general meeting resolutions are passed, often directed to the department. Of the 25 resolutions passed at the 1994 annual general meeting, eight were directed to the department. Four of the eight resolutions have been responded to by the department.
The remaining four resolutions, together with several outstanding resolutions from previous years, deal with changes to municipal legislation. The number of concerns raised about current legislation has convinced me, Mr. Chairman, of the wisdom of a comprehensive review of amendments to municipal legislation. I will soon be announcing a process to undertake such a review.
Mr. Chairman, in closing, the department's proposed budget strives to respond to the changing needs of community governments on a comprehensive and equitable basis. I now look forward to answering the committee's questions. Thank you.
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Thank you, Mr. Minister. I would like to ask now if the representative from the Standing Committee on Finance is prepared to give their report? The chair recognizes the Member for North Slave , Mr. Zoe .
Standing Committee On Finance Comments
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Henry Zoe
North Slave
Mahsi, Mr. Chairman. On behalf of the Standing Committee on Finance, I will be presenting our comments pertaining to Municipal and Community Affairs. For the past two years, the committee has recommended an improvement in community development activities including training for municipal councils and staff. The department has followed through on this recommendation. In particular, Members found the proposed training program for senior administrative officers to be a strong step in the right direction.
Financial Statements
The committee was concerned with the large number of communities whose financial positions have qualified auditors' statements. Almost half of all Northwest Territories communities have qualified statements. This seems to reflect a need for additional training and support for councils and their staff. Judging from the number of communities which have experienced financial difficulties, it is important that communities have financial statements which are unqualified and provide a fully accurate picture of their financial status.
As evidence of the additional support provided by the department, the committee will be looking for a significant decrease in the number of qualified statements during its review of the 1996-97 main estimates.
Sport And Recreation
In this budget, Mr. Chairman, the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs is providing strong initiatives in recreation facilities and leadership development. Recreational facilities and programs provide a healthy alternative for youth and adults. Committee Members agree that investment in recreation is an investment in community residents.
The events surrounding the site selection process for the 1998 Arctic Winter Games was seen by many as an unmitigated disaster. First, it appeared that Inuvik was the only community bidding for the games. Then, when it became apparent that Yellowknife was also bidding, the government apparently gave mixed signals as to where its support lay. Finally, when Yellowknife was awarded the games, the events following that announcement cast aspersions on the department's credibility and integrity.
The new Minister and the department must review the many mistakes made in handling this situation, and work with the International Arctic Winter Games Committee to restore the credibility of the games and the organizing body.
Committee Members would also like to see an increased focus on support for sporting competitions such as regional winter games, aboriginal games, and so on. While the Arctic Winter Games provide an opportunity for many of the Northwest Territories' best athletes to compete against other Arctic athletes, there are other territorial, national and international events, such as the North American Aboriginal Games, which should also receive support. These other events are also opportunities for territorial athletes to get together with other athletes, to learn from each other, and to enjoy the spirit of friendly competition.
Fire Prevention And Education
Mr. Chairman, committee Members continue to see the need for additional fire prevention and education. The committee has recommended that this department continue to work with the Department of Safety and Public Services to ensure communities are adequately prepared to deal with community firefighting and prevention.
Water Safety And Search And Rescue
The Northwest Territories continues to have a high level of drowning fatalities. In many cases, these deaths are the result of people not using basic safety equipment, such as life jackets in boats. The committee shares the concern of the Minister regarding the needless loss of life and supports the department's efforts to increase public awareness of the need for safe practices around water. Also, the committee noted that sport and recreation has an important role to play in the issue of water safety. Where possible, the department should ensure that swimming pools, swimming instruction, and water safety instruction are available in all northern communities.
There are also high costs, both in dollars and in human lives, as a result of difficulties with search and rescue in our vast territory. People need to be more aware of the benefits of carrying basic survival equipment when leaving our communities, either by land or by water. The committee also encourages the department to work with other departments to address the need for more northerners to travel with safety equipment, such as GPS receivers or emergency locater transmitters (ELTs).
Specifically, committee Members encourage the department to work with hunters' and trappers' associations and the Department of Renewable Resources to allow traditional harvesters to borrow such equipment when necessary. These departments should also work with traditional harvesters to provide continuing education about the land; how to survive emergencies, and how to prepare for an extended trip on the land. These traditional skills are not always taught in extended families as they were in the past, and should be encouraged.
Finally, Mr. Chairman, the government must cooperate with the federal government in the area of marine safety. The recent tragedy on Frobisher Bay is a reminder that marine safety is of critical importance to many northerners. The federal government has to live up to their responsibility to enforce boating safety regulations, including regular inspections of larger vessels, and the territorial government must do everything possible to persuade the federal government to live up to that responsibility.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. That concludes the comments of the Standing Committee on Finance.
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Thank you, Mr. Zoe . I would like to ask the Minister if he is prepared to take the witness stand on behalf of his department. If you do, will you need assistance with your staff? Does the committee agree that the Minister can bring in witnesses to assist him?
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Thank you. You look different there than you do at your regular seat. Mr. Minister, would you be so kind as to introduce your witnesses to the committee?
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Kelvin Ng
Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. To my left is Mr. Dave Ramsden, deputy minister. To my right is Mr. Jim France, director of finance and administration. Thank you.
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Good afternoon gentlemen, and thank you for being here. We are dealing with Municipal and Community Affairs, located in your blue books in
section 11, page 7 to start off with. Do we have any general comments? Does the committee agree, then, that we go line by line? The chair recognizes the Member for Yellowknife North , Mr. Ballantyne .
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Michael Ballantyne
Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I don't have a great number of general comments. I just wanted to talk in a general way about a number of issues that have faced Yellowknife that I and other Yellowknife MLAs have dealt with, with the Minister and the deputy minister. I expressed a number of concerns earlier in this session, back in February, and I want to go on the record that I'm satisfied with the progress we're making on these issues. I have a firm commitment from the Minister that these issues have been resolved so, at this point, Mr. Chairman, I don't have any concerns with the department.
I think the department is generally doing a good job in dealing with the concerns that I have, as an MLA. Thank you.
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Thank you, Mr. Ballantyne . General comments. Mr. Pudluk .
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Ludy Pudluk
High Arctic
(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I, too, don't have a lot to say but I was satisfied with and liked the Minister's opening remarks. Earlier this winter, I had some concerns about the hamlets that were going over their budgets and whether those were growing or if they were paying them off. I put forward this question earlier but he told me he would be able to answer my question at this time. Is he ready to give the answer to my question, Mr. Chairman?
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Mr. Minister.
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Kelvin Ng
Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, at this time, if the Member wishes, we have copies available of the financial status of hamlets up until December 31, 1994, if he wants to wait until we get to the community development
section of the budget. It is up to the Member, Mr. Chairman.
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Thank you, Minister Ng . The Member for High Arctic , Mr. Pudluk .
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Ludy Pudluk
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(Translation) Mr. Chairman, he keeps putting off my question. He is now saying we can deal with it when we get to that activity, but I would like to get the answer right now if it is possible. Thank you.
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I believe he said you could have the information now or you could deal with it when we arrived at it in the budget. Minister Ng .
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Kelvin Ng
Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will deal with the question now. There are 21 hamlets, Mr. Chairman, with an accumulated surplus in the general municipal fund. There were 18 hamlets that had an accumulated deficit as of March 31, 1994. That is in comparison to the previous year, where there were 20 hamlets with a surplus and 19 hamlets with a deficit. So one hamlet has gone into a deficit position.
I am sorry, Mr. Chairman, I got that backwards. There is one more that has gone from a deficit to a surplus, Mr. Chairman.
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Okay. Page 11-8, directorate, total O and M, $5.032 million.
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Community development, total O and M, $50.943 million. The chair recognizes Mr. Zoe .
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Henry Zoe
North Slave
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Since we have done this reorganization at the headquarters level, could I ask the Minister if he has a long-term organization plan.
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Kelvin Ng
Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Can I ask for clarification? Is the Member referring to regional reorganization?
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Henry Zoe
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Do we have one? Do we have a long-term organization plan for MACA? Is there one in place now?
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Kelvin Ng
Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, there has been an internal committee of the department which has drafted some terms of reference about some possible changes to the functional make-up of the department. At this stage, that report has gone forward to the other senior management committee members of the department and it is the intent of the department, once it comes back to me, to develop a consultation paper which will go forward to municipalities, the NWT Association of Municipalities, MLAs and other concerned parties to get their feedback into what the department is proposing in restructuring the department. Thank you.
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Henry Zoe
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Mr. Chairman, would that also include the issue of a communication strategy for how to improve communication between municipalities and MACA?
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Kelvin Ng
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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes, it was recognized in our headquarters reorganization that there is the lack of a communications strategy. In looking at the next phase of the reorganization of the department, we are developing a communications strategy and outlining a consultation process for concerned parties.
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Thank you, Mr. Minister. Community development, total O and M, $50.943 million.
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Thank you. Sport and recreation, total O and M, $9.262 million. Mr. Zoe .
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Henry Zoe
North Slave
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, with regard to this section, how many applications has the department received? The Minister indicated that the department was open for groups to apply to the department for funds so they can participate at these international events, such as the North American Indigenous Games. What is the status of that? Have we fully funded all the requests? How many do we have on hand and have been approved?
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Kelvin Ng
Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. There have been numerous applications that have come forward and the take-up has been a lot more than anticipated. Currently, there is an application before the department for 224 individuals to attend the North American Indigenous Games originally totalling $125,796. However, in looking at the total amount of applications that came in, there were a few dual applications, particularly for juvenile volleyball. It doesn't make sense to send two teams down, so it is suggested there be a playdown of those two teams to eliminate one of the funding applications. Or, they could combine a team if they chose to.
Also, there was a request from senior athletes and the department has considered not allowing them to be eligible because the games focus on the younger participants. So taking that into account, the total applications that would be eligible would be approximately $106,605. Originally, the department had put aside $50,000 for this event, but we have decided, in recognizing the importance of the event and the games, to find it within the department to fund all applications, if they go forward. Thank you.
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Henry Zoe
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Thank you. I am glad the Minister knows that it is of great importance. I agree. Mr. Chairman, last year in the fall, I made a Member's statement with regard to uniforms for our participating athletes. I understand that the Yukon team that participated had designed uniforms. I made a suggestion to the department that our government would provide uniforms for our athletes. Is our government going to provide the uniforms for the participants going to the North American Indigenous Games? Thank you.
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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The intent of the department is to provide uniforms at cost to the athletes attending the North American Indigenous Games. Thank you.
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Henry Zoe
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Mr. Chairman, we are providing them, but the athletes will be able to purchase them after their use...(Microphone turned off).
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I'll just go back to Mr. Zoe again.
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Okay. Are we going to do it the same way as the Arctic Winter Games uniforms are provided, where the athletes can purchase them at the end, or is there a different method? Thank you.
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Kelvin Ng
Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes, the uniforms will be provided to the athletes but they will be provided at the cost of the manufacturing of the uniforms. The uniforms will be similar to those we have used for other games, and in particular in this case, what is being used for the summer western games. Thank you.
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Thank you, Mr. Minister. The question was, will they be providing them, and I think you say that they will be providing them at cost to the government. Thank you.
Sport and recreation, total O and M, $9.262 million.
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