Debates of Feb. 20th, 2007

This is page numbers 1013 - 1063 of the Hansard for the 15th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

NWT Education Week 2007

Minister Absent From The House

Utilizing Technology To Foster Aboriginal Language Development

Measures To Address Safety Concerns On Highway No. 3

Financial Accountability Of Local Housing Authorities

Renovations For Diamond Jenness Secondary School

Slave River Hydro Project Proposal

Mackenzie Gas Project Socio-economic Agreement

Condolences To The Family Of Norma Voudrach

Training Opportunities For Young Northerners

Caribou Management

Lessons Learned From Previous Resource Development

Stanton Territorial Hospital

Utilizing Technology To Foster Aboriginal Language Development

Measure To Address Safety Concerns On Highway No. 3

Slave River Hydro Project Proposal

Caribou Management

Renovations To Diamond Jenness Secondary School

Funding For Renewable Power Generation

Mackenzie Gas Project Socio-economic Agreement

Federal Funding For Northern Sports And Recreation Programs

Training Opportunities For Young Northerners

Resource Revenue Sharing Negotiations

Caribou Management

Caribou Management

Safety Issues Of Winter Roads

Caribou Management

Caribou Management

Impacts Of Caribou Management Decisions On The Outfitting Industry

Tabled Document 100-15(5): Northwest Territories Graduates: 1976-2006

Tabled Document 101-5(5): Mackenzie Gas Project Socio-economic Agreement

Tabled Document 102-15(5): Policy Options

Article Entitled "the Resource Curse And The Mackenzie Gas Project"

Item 16: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 17: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 19: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Brendan Bell , Mr. Braden , Honourable Paul Delorey , Honourable Charles Dent , Mrs. Groenewegen , Honourable Joe Handley , Mr. Hawkins , Honourable David Krutko , Mr. Lafferty , Ms. Lee , Hon. Michael McLeod , Mr. McLeod, Hon. Kevin Menicoche , Mr. Miltenberger , Mr. Pokiak , Mr. Ramsay , Honourable Floyd Roland , Mr. Villeneuve , Mr. Yakeleya

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Good morning, colleagues. Welcome back to the House. Orders of the day. Ministers' statements. The honourable Minister responsible for Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 73-15(5): NWT Education Week 2007

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning. This week is Education Week. We celebrate Education Week to raise awareness of the importance of education. This year we are promoting the idea that all northerners have a role in education. We are also hoping to increase awareness about the importance of education outside the classroom.

Mr. Speaker, NWT high school graduation numbers are increasing. Many northern students are moving on to post-secondary studies, and excelling in college, university or the trades. Later today, I will table a document detailing high school graduation rates for the past 30 years.

Mr. Speaker, the first Ministerial Awards of Excellence were announced recently. There were over 30 applicants for these scholarships, all with good post-secondary grade point averages. In their applications, most referred to special people who had made a difference to their success in education by helping them along the way, both in school and at home.

The theme of Education Week this year is You Can Make a Difference. The intent of this theme is to convey that learning is not an activity that takes place exclusively at school between a teacher and a student. Just as it takes a community to raise a child, in the best learning situations, there are many people who help. For the best chance of student success, parents must ensure their children are rested, well-nourished and otherwise ready to learn. Across the Northwest Territories, we are seeing more and more parents who actively participate in their children's learning and school activities.

Parental involvement is so important to student success. Community members, particularly elders, are helping enrich the classroom by volunteering their time and knowledge, or by ensuring that there are stimulating activities to occupy time after school hours.

Mr. Speaker, the Department of Education, Culture and Employment, in partnership with the NWT Teachers' Association, uses NWT Education Week as an important opportunity to celebrate the work of teachers. The Thank

You for Making a Difference Campaign that takes place during this time is now in its tenth year. It provides an opportunity to thank teachers and other school employees.

Mr. Speaker, teachers do very important work in our classrooms. I would particularly like to acknowledge that many teachers invest a lot of time and energy outside the classroom and after hours. Many of our community coaches, youth group leaders, fundraisers and chaperones are teachers. Teachers tutor outside school hours and outside their own subject areas. Teachers like these make a huge difference in northern communities, and we appreciate how much they do on their own valuable time.

Mr. Speaker, Education Week is, first and foremost, a time for celebrating learning. I would like to thank all of those who make a difference to young learners. I encourage everyone to mark Education Week by taking some time to thank people who help with education in your community. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 73-15(5): NWT Education Week 2007

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Ministers' statements. Honourable Premier , Mr. Handley .

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Minister's Statement 74-15(5): Minister Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to advise Members that the Honourable Michael McLeod will leave the House early today and will be absent for the remainder of the week to attend the Ministers of Sport and Recreation meeting in Whitehorse, Yukon. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 74-15(5): Minister Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley . Ministers' statements. Members' statements. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Utilizing Technology To Foster Aboriginal Language Development

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, our aboriginal languages are essential to keep our culture alive and pass along our traditions and knowledge to our younger generation. Within the Northwest Territories, there are 11 official languages, including nine that are aboriginal languages. In the Northwest Territories, the population that is able to speak an aboriginal language dropped over 15 percent between 1984 and 2004. Mr. Speaker, we must make a commitment to protect these languages that hold our culture and traditions together.

user. It uses modules, groups of phrases in a given language, designed by experts for specific use such as disaster relief, the military or law enforcement, then is translated by the linguists in the region where the language is spoken. Aboriginal groups across North America have already found this device beneficial for the people.

A member of the Siksika First Nation recently pointed out that one of the biggest problems they had when teaching their language is that the writing and reading language is so different from knowing how to pronounce it. The Phraselator provides a way for people learning the language to get the correct sound. Mr. Speaker, this is something that we could use, for example in our schools to help our children learn in a more relaxing and exciting way and an engaging way. Digital technologies and electronics are becoming more accessible to our children and appeal to this demographic. A device like the Phraselator would keep their attention and make language learning more fun.

Mr. Speaker, as I said in previous statements, I believe that preservation of language is a critical issue for the aboriginal people in the Northwest Territories. The Phraselator could help us sustain our language and culture for present and future generations. This technology has potential and is worth exploring. I will ask the Minister of Education and Culture more questions on this device at the appropriate time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Monfwi, Mr. Lafferty .

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Measures To Address Safety Concerns On Highway No. 3

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jackson Lafferty

North Slave

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm going to talk on Highway No. 3, once again. As I said in a previous statement to this House, the stretch of Highway No. 3 between Behchoko and Yellowknife is extremely busy and we need to do all we can to make that road as safe as possible. The intersection of Highway No. 3 and Behchoko access road is a safety concern. Also, the mine road is open and also to Whati. Every day that road is really busy, and then they commute back and forth from Whati, and on top of that there are big trucks going back and forth towards the mine so they can resupply. That's why we all have a major concern regarding those four communities. (Translation ends)

The stretch of Highway No. 3 between Behchoko and Yellowknife is extremely busy. We need to do what we can to make the road as safe as possible. The intersection of Highway No. 3 and the Behchoko access road is a major safety concern to us. Many people commute back and forth between Rae and Edzo and between Rae and Yellowknife. That's a main highway system for us, Mr. Speaker. At the same time, there is a volume of through traffic speeding by the intersection, especially during the winter season with all the heavy trucks rushing to resupply the mines.

Mr. Speaker, as I suggested in this House last February, the installation of traffic lights so there's visibility of vehicles passing through at the intersection will go a long way towards improving safety for all users of Highway No. 3. With the high volume of traffic at this junction, a stop sign is no longer enough, Mr. Speaker.

At the same time, there's talk about lighting that should be installed at Frank's Channel Bridge to improve safety when visibility is poor. I urge the Minister of Transportation to have these upgrades made without any delays to ensure safety of the public's travel. Mahsi.

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Measures To Address Safety Concerns On Highway No. 3

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Villeneuve .

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Financial Accountability Of Local Housing Authorities

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I will use by Member's statement today to speak about some of the housing concerns that my constituents raised last weekend.

In the budget, there are more dollars requested by Education, Culture and Employment to distribute amongst the LHOs to cover wages and benefits. I don't want to downplay this request, because I believe this is a good injection of dollars to all the LHOs to assist with the rising costs of operating their public housing.

The issue I have, Mr. Speaker, is the accountability factor at the LHO level, which this government does not diligently monitor or pay much attention to how the LHOs spend their contribution dollars. I received the LHO budgets in my riding of Tu Nedhe. I noticed that wages and benefits have increased over time, and other important areas of operation, such as maintenance, have decreased during the same period. I understand that the redistribution of these dollars at the LHO level is permissible to a certain degree, and if it makes sense and improves the operation of the LHO.

But when the public housing units are not receiving the maintenance they require on a regular basis because of the redistribution of funding by the LHOs, the clients start to refuse to pay their rent and this creates serious problems at the LHO level and at the Housing Corp, and it continues on today. We have massive debts at the LHO level, Mr. Speaker.

I would request that this government, through their universal partnership agreements -- the key word being "partnership," Mr. Speaker -- with these LHOs ensure that the consultation and annual reviews are conducted, and that the contribution dollars are spent on the expense items that they were intended for.

If changes in the distribution or the reallocation of any dollars at the LHO level is required, then notice has to go out to all the public housing clients and it should go out to the Housing Corp headquarters and this government, and reasons why they're making the redistributions should be given to everybody, especially the public housing clients who are really concerned that maintenance dollars are going into wages and benefits and not going into maintenance of their own units which they pay exorbitant rents for, Mr. Speaker. Thank you very much.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Renovations For Diamond Jenness Secondary School

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, anyone who has visited Hay River will have noticed our famed high school. Built in 1972 and designed by Douglas Cardinal, Diamond Jenness Secondary School has been labelled throughout the Territories as the purple school, or the purple people eater. I have to say that.

Mr. Speaker, Diamond Jenness School is almost 35 years old and has never had any substantial renovations. I'm aware of minor renovations scheduled to take place shortly to move the change rooms from upstairs closer to the gym on the main floor. However, other major issues at the school are being overlooked.

Students and teachers complain about the air quality and the inability of controlling the extreme temperatures in the school. The heating system does not suffice in the cold weather, and the ventilation system is not enough in the warmer weather, and the windows do not open for circulation at any time. Water pipes are 50/50 soldered and, for safety reasons, water quality needs to be checked on a regular basis. Most people refuse to use the school water fountains because the water doesn't get cold enough to drink. The hot water pipes are thin from corrosion and are constantly in need of replacement.

The roof collects rainwater and several leaks have occurred within the ceiling and the walls of the school, which begs the question of whether there's mould growing in the walls. The administrative offices are off to the side and almost detached from the school and there's little opportunity to control access to the school and the layout needs to be redesigned for safety and security. Classrooms are too small to handle even a moderate size class, and the junior high classrooms are beneath modern standards, making it difficult to accommodate student programming needs.

These are just a few of the problems this outdated school has, and I could go on and on.

A midlife overhaul of the entire school is well overdue, yet I do not see this project on the books any time soon. The only commitment I've heard from the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment is to consider it for the capital planning process. The long-range capital plan dated September 2001 indicated a midlife reno for Diamond Jenness Secondary School beginning in '07-08 and finishing in '09-10 at a cost of $12 million. Mr. Speaker, I don't know what happened to that capital plan.

I believe it is time to make a firm commitment to get this overhaul done to protect the investment of this valuable infrastructure. Mr. Speaker, I cannot stress enough the importance of the health and safety of our youth, and Diamond Jenness Secondary School is long past a midlife crises. We need a commitment to make this project happen so that our children can have a healthy and safe learning environment, and that our teachers can have a healthy and safe workplace. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Thebacha , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Slave River Hydro Project Proposal

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Slave River flows into the Northwest Territories out of the confluence of the Athabasca and the Peace River. Over 20 years or so ago, the Alberta government took a very close look and spent about $30 million on the feasibility of a dam on the Slave River. For the last six to eight months now, Alberta, through ATCO and TransCanada Power, has decided to revisit the feasibility of that project. They've quietly been reviewing the data and information that's available and are continuing to ramp up their level of interest. Mr.

Speaker, they will be coming north to Fort Smith for their first visit with their advance people to talk to the community leadership, to get to know the community, first having gone to Fort Chipewyan and Fort McMurray. I stand here today because I've been speaking about this now for the last six to eight months, when I first became aware of their interest.

Mr. Speaker, the Slave River provides 60 to 80 percent of the flow into Great Slave Lake. We now know that the flows are 30 to 40 percent below their normal flow rate. We have the concerns of what is happening in Alberta already with the resource development and the drawdown on their own water systems. This project, when it was talked about back in the '80s, was for 1,800 megawatts, about a $7 billion project, which would have put a dam, riverbank to riverbank, on the Slave River.

This time the vice-president from ATCO told me they're looking at some type of run-of-the-river option, but they're still looking at generating a maximum amount of power and the cost of that particular project will probably be well above the $7 billion mark.

Mr. Speaker, I stand here to raise this issue because last time it was seen as something of a local or regional issue. But I think people have become much more informed over the last 20 years and recognize the damming of one of the major rivers in the world would have significant impact on the Northwest Territories, from the 60th parallel all the way to Ulukhaktok and beyond. It's something that I stand here to raise in this House so that people will pay very close attention to what is happening and what is going to unfold if the Alberta government and these companies choose to proceed.

I would hope, and ask, that the territorial government, in fact, be in contact with the Alberta government and these corporations to ensure that we are fully apprised and at the table throughout all these discussions. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Mackenzie Gas Project Socio-economic Agreement

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to speak today regarding the Mackenzie Gas Project Socio-Economic Agreement, the agreement that was signed last

month between the Government of the Northwest Territories and the pipeline proponents.

Mr. Speaker, I have said it before in this House, and I will state it again today for the record, that I remain in favour of the Mackenzie gas project going ahead. However, I do have some major concerns over how the socio-economic agreement was developed and why it is missing some very key elements.

The public was left out of the development of the document. There was no public opportunity to comment on the document and, also, the document was developed and signed in secret. Most troublesome for me is the fact that there is no link in the document for a long-term vision of this territory.

The Government of the Northwest Territories had no trouble issuing the so-called letter of comfort to the proponents saying that they would be able to operate in a stable tax environment here in the Northwest Territories. Why is there no support shown by the proponents in the socio-economic agreement towards the Northwest Territories' 20-year battle with the federal government over resource revenue sharing and devolution? As a government, why didn't we get or demand this support?

The proponents don't care which government they pay their royalties to, Mr. Speaker. This pipeline is not being built in the Ottawa Valley; it's being built in the Mackenzie Valley, in our own backyard. If we do not have the support of the proponents, I believe we are missing a critical bargaining chip, Mr. Speaker.

Also missing from the socio-economic agreement is any mention of a trust fund or heritage fund. I've spoken numerous times about the importance of the establishment of this fund for northerners in this House and I'm very disturbed that again the government has failed to get the proponents to agree that this is an important issue for northerners.

The Government of the Northwest Territories accepts in the agreement a lackadaisical approach to monitoring the project during construction and operation. The resources provided to the board are extremely low compared to other similar monitoring bodies in the resource sector; $200,000 per year during construction and $75,000 per year during operation. If you compare that to Diavik Communities Advisory Board at 400K per year, Diavik Environmental Monitoring Board at $630,000 per year, the independent monitoring agency for BHP at $560,000 per year, and the Snap Lake Environmental Monitoring Agency at $650,000 per year, Mr. Speaker, it's alarming that after construction this...

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Mr. Ramsay , your time for Member's statement has expired.

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You may conclude your statement, Mr. Ramsay .

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is alarming that after construction this NWT oil and gas socio-economic advisory board meets only three times per year during construction and only once a year during operation, with only a $75,000 budget. As a government, we should have negotiated a better arrangement on monitoring. Mr. Speaker, I have to ask the question, why have we failed our residents on so many fronts? Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Pokiak .

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Condolences To The Family Of Norma Voudrach

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Calvin Pokiak

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is with sadness today that I rise again to report another death of a constituent of mine in Tuktoyaktuk. Mr. Speaker, last night, after returning to the apartment, I received a call from my wife, Lucille Pokiak, in Tuk, advising me that Norma Voudrach of Tuktoyaktuk passed away after complications from an operation at Stanton Territorial Hospital yesterday.

Mr. Speaker, today I'd just like to send condolences to Paul Voudrach and his family. I'd just like to say, Mr. Speaker, that Mrs. Voudrach was very instrumental in getting the hotel in Tuk operating in Tuktoyaktuk. I know that she will be missed by Paul and her family. I just hope that they can stand strong and that...(inaudible)... today. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Pokiak . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. McLeod.

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Training Opportunities For Young Northerners

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in a few short years construction will begin on what will be the largest project in the history of the Northwest Territories. That, Mr. Speaker, is the building of the pipeline down the Mackenzie Valley. With the building of the pipeline, Mr. Speaker, will come many opportunities for northern businesses and residents. One of the main benefactors should be the youth across the North. They have the opportunity, Mr. Speaker, to take advantage of the countless number of training opportunities that will be made available.

The Minister said that graduation numbers are up and more students are taking in post-secondary education, and the post-secondary education that we provide up here is one of the best in the country. I'm pleased to see that these numbers are up, Mr. Speaker. I recently heard of a young man who turned down an opportunity to take some training so that he could play hockey. We can't be doing that, Mr. Speaker. There will be plenty of time to play hockey after you get your training. When opportunity knocks, you have to open the door.

We need our young people, Mr. Speaker, to take advantage when they can, as we want to see the pipeline built by our own residents and not have workers flooding in from the South. The training will also be needed and come in handy when we start building our highway down the Mackenzie Valley.

Mr. Speaker, I urge young northerners not to miss the boat. Grab a hold of the opportunity that's before you. The NWT will benefit from the decision you make today. Thank you.

---Applause

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Training Opportunities For Young Northerners

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1017

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Caribou Management

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1017

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I sat in this House and listened to many Members who support the aboriginal hunting rights but not the outfitters, and to those who support the outfitters but do not support ENR's numbers. In January, I had the honour of attending the Caribou Summit in Inuvik and have to say that I was very impressed by the aboriginal groups who said that they were willing to temporarily set aside their traditional hunting rights if they had to in order to make sure that the caribou populations rebounded. Mr. Speaker, they did say not give up, but were willing to set it aside.

That was a bold statement, Mr. Speaker. I was glad to see that they were truly willing to make great sacrifices.

I can also empathize with the outfitters. They've contributed to our economy, our tourism industry, and they've established great livelihoods here in the North. I can only imagine what it must feel like to have their livelihood threatened. As I see it, government needs to tread lightly when taking a position that could lead to the elimination of someone's livelihood.

As we all know, the caribou are under tremendous pressure from the cumulative effects of climate change, hunting predation, and pollution. They are literally under siege in their own environment, Mr. Speaker. It's my hope that the outfitters can stay in business, even if it means adapting some of their business to a more eco-friendly style with adventure tourism and cameras, not guns. If they need to halt some of their hunting, we need to make sure that we have a plan and we can help them diversify. We need to help our outfitters and all our northern businesses by investing into the tourism industry.

I have advocated for tourism in the past on a number of issues and this, our outfitters, are no less important and they deserve respect for what they mean to our economy.

No one in the territory wants to see the caribou go the way of the buffalo, Mr. Speaker. Our thundering tundra is replaced by the echoing silence. We all want healthy viable numbers in all of our herds, and we want traditional ways of life to continue to flourish and be passed through to many generations that follow.

But before any drastic action is taken, all survey data must be up to date and beyond any question. Unclear numbers leads to unclear decisions. If we put the caribou first, as we should, we need to be totally clear on what the numbers are and to make sure we have measured decisions, not best guesses. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1017

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Braden .

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Lessons Learned From Previous Resource Development

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1017

Bill Braden

Great Slave

What are the legacies of major developments in the NWT? To cite a couple of them, Mr. Speaker, for 80 years now Norman Wells has pumped enormous wealth into the coffers of Ottawa. Since 1985 alone, $4 billion worth of oil has flowed out past the communities of Tulita and Wrigley.

What's in it for those communities? Mr. Speaker, the Yellowknife goldfields, the greenstone belt here has generated enormous wealth, too. Some 12 million ounces of gold were recovered since 1938 and what is the legacy of that wealth? Two hundred thousand tons of arsenic sitting on our doorstep.

Mr. Speaker, if we look at the future with the resources that we know of, natural gas in the Mackenzie Delta at current prices, that will generate $100 billion in product and $700 million in royalties every year for a quarter of a century at least. Let's look back at the history lesson and match it up with what we know is the biggest potential project yet, the Mackenzie Valley pipeline. What's in it for us? Well, so far we've seen letters of comfort, we've seen more deals negotiated in secret with proponents, and we see yet more unfulfilled promises from Ottawa.

Such is the legacy that will continue for northerners until we have the resource and devolution deal in hand. Why do we continue, Mr. Speaker, to sign away our heritage, and our future, and our legacy on deals such as the recently signed socio-economic agreement?

---Applause

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Page 1017

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Stanton Territorial Hospital

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1017

Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'd like to take this opportunity today to speak about the issues pertaining to the Stanton Territorial Hospital. Mr. Speaker, over the years as an MLA for Range Lake, where the hospital is located, I have witnessed the facility coming under increasing pressure from limited resources, financial and otherwise. We are constantly hearing from the staff in various units and facets of the operation at the hospital, which we have been trying to work through by means of the latest human resources review at the hospital. I'm hoping that we will be able to identify the concerns through this review and address them as soon as possible.

Mr. Speaker, we have also been hearing about the hospital's cleanliness lately, and I've also received concerns about the big-name products being used at the cafeteria, pushing out the local and northern suppliers. Mr. Speaker, my family worked at the old hospital and the new hospital and the changes in service from lack of resources at the hospital is very concerning indeed.

Mr. Speaker, I believe the most critical issue has been the dissolution of the board and there being no attempt to replace it over the last three years. While I appreciate that the hospital is a public funded agency, that doesn't mean you shouldn't have an independent management voice of the public apart from the direct involvement from the department. Mr. Speaker, such a board would be able to set longer-term goals and vision for the hospital, work on the details of the master plan, and push it along with the partners, as well as addressing some of the human and financial resource issues that ends up so often on MLAs' desks and Ministers' desks.

Mr. Speaker, the hospital needs a medium for public voice and the concerns to be addressed directly at the hospital. I support the Minister's initiative to start with an advisory committee at the hospital. I hope that this will succeed and that we will be able to move toward a full advisory board made up of representations from all the Territories, because I do appreciate that it is a territorial hospital. But I do believe that such a board would go a long way in addressing some of the issues that we're talking about lately. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Stanton Territorial Hospital

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1018

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Members' statements. Returns to oral questions. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. I would like to take this opportunity to welcome everyone in the gallery today. It's always nice to have an audience in here. Hope you're enjoying the proceedings.

---Applause

Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 364-15(5): Utilizing Technology To Foster Aboriginal Language Development

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1018

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions are to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . As mentioned in my statement, the use of aboriginal languages is declining in the Northwest Territories. Some of the aboriginal groups in North America, including the Siksika in Alberta, are working with a new device known as the Phraselator to reverse this trend. Has the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment made any inquiries about the possibilities of using such a device such as the Phraselator in the Northwest Territories communities? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1018

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Minister responsible for Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1018

Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Member first mentioned this item to me and I immediately went onto the web and tried to find it. Unfortunately, I was spelling the word wrong and all the sites that I could find were in Chinese and there was no machine to help me translate that. But since then I've managed to get the spelling right and, yes, with the assistance of my officials we have become more aware of these machines and are having a look at them. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1018

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1018

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There are more reasons why we need a Phraselator in the Northwest Territories. Mr. Speaker, would the Minister consider such a pilot project for such a device, perhaps in one of our schools, to see the potential of having this device used to serve our languages in our communities? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1018

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Mr. Dent .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1018

Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I've asked my officials to get in touch with the region southeast of Calgary where these are in use to discuss with them how they're being used and what benefits they're finding. So rather than just going out and ordering the machine, we're going to do some due diligence and find out what they're like. The website for the units clearly states that these units cannot replace native speakers. It's still the native speakers that we need to have and we need to make sure that it's families that are involved in education. But we're going to take a look at the devices.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1018

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Final supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1018

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Minister makes a good point that you can't replace our aboriginal languages and you need the real people there. Mr. Speaker, I want to ask the Minister, would the Minister look at having one of these Phraselators in one of his departments to use them as a pilot project, if not in our communities? The common phrase, hopefully, will be do you have your Phraselator on you? Where is your Phraselator? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Mr. Dent .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We'll certainly move quickly to take a look at these devices and see whether or not they could be useful and whether or not they should become standard issue for government employees. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Oral questions. The honourable Member for Monfwi, Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 365-15(5): Measure To Address Safety Concerns On Highway No. 3

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1019

Jackson Lafferty

North Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, last February I raised the need for traffic lights at Behchoko junction, and the Minister at that time advised that his department would look into this issue and consult with the community and leadership. My question is to the Minister of Transportation . Mr. Speaker, has the department consulted with the community and looked into the need for traffic lights at the Behchoko junction and what were the findings? Mahsi.

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Question 365-15(5): Measure To Address Safety Concerns On Highway No. 3

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1019

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Minister responsible for Transportation , Mr. Menicoche .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1019

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. There are still ongoing discussions between our Ministry, the Tlicho Government, and the NWT Power Corporation on having the lighting at the Behchoko access. It is a $90,000 project and we're working towards that, Mr. Speaker. Mahsi.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1019

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . Supplementary, Mr. Lafferty .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1019

Jackson Lafferty

North Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I certainly would like to see this project go ahead and I appreciate the Minister's response on working together on this.

These are my next questions to the Minister. Would the Minister also instruct his department to consult with the community and leadership on the need for lighting on the Frank's Channel Bridge and report back this spring? Mahsi.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1019

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Mr. Menicoche .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1019

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I can commit to looking at providing some lighting to the Frank's Channel Bridge, do some cost estimates. It will enhance the safety of traffic passing through that area. Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . Final supplementary, Mr. Lafferty .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1019

Jackson Lafferty

North Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. So far I'm hearing good news. That's good.

---Laughter

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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An Hon. Member

Specifics. When, when, when?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jackson Lafferty

North Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. My final question: Would the Minister also work with his colleague, the Minister of ITI , to look at whether the upgrading of the Behchoko junction would provide opportunity to locate a bison interpretive centre there? Mahsi.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Going into a different line of questioning, however, I'll allow the Minister to respond. Mr. Menicoche .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1019

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I can confirm with my colleague that is part of the plan once we start getting power to that area, that we can accomplish this project. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . Oral questions. The honourable Member for Thebacha , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 366-15(5): Slave River Hydro Project Proposal

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1019

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, my questions are directed to the Minister of Environment and Natural Resources, and a follow-up to my Member's statement about the work being done by proponents out of Alberta looking at the dam on the Slave River and the fact that they are now moving into the Northwest Territories, at least into Fort Smith and I would assume other communities. I'd like to ask the Minister what the intention is for ENR in terms of making sure that they are at every table that this project is discussed at. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1019

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Minister responsible for Environment and Natural Resources , Mr. McLeod.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1019

Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there are a number of issues that are happening in Alberta that are of real concern to us in terms of water quality and quantity, the oil sands and issues around Bennett Dam and also this new project that's coming onto the horizon. There hasn't been an application formed yet. In the last while, we've made contact with the federal Ministers, the Minister of Natural Resources and also the Minister of Environment , indicating we really need to have a face-to-face meeting, some discussion over some of these issues.

We've also contacted the Government of Alberta and we've received response confirming that we will have a meeting with the Minister of Environment , Mr. Rob Renner, and that will happen shortly after session is done. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, Alberta has now advanced right up tight to the 60th parallel with this proposal. I'd like to ask the Minister if he would consider writing to the proponents to invite them up to this Legislature to brief the Members on this project and its potential impacts and what timelines they're looking at. Thank you.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Certainly, Mr. Speaker. We'd be glad to do that. We are in the process of requesting some additional information and a meeting with the proponents. We'd be glad to expand that once we get a better handle on what the project actually is and some of the timelines around it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Final supplementary would be in terms of timelines, the need for some urgency on this given the shortness of the life of this Assembly and the fact that there are other items on the go. I'd like to ask the Minister if he could give me a sense of what time he would envision this to happen. Thank you.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, we've heard from a number of communities in the Northwest Territories, especially in the southern area of the NWT, Fort Smith and Resolution, also the Deh Cho has raised concern about water quality. I'm sure that concern is right across the North. We would be quite anxious to have a meeting to have a better understanding of where this project is. As to specific timelines, I'm not sure I can commit to that, but we will ensure that we will work as fast as we can on this issue. Thank you.

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Question 367-15(5): Caribou Management

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1020

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I noticed in the main estimates there was no new money for wildlife renewable resource officers. With the increased pressures out there to protect the caribou, I'd like to ask the Minister of ENR how the government plans to control caribou hunting without adequate law enforcement. If there is no more enforcement on the ground, we don't know what's happening to the caribou and where they are going. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we do have some new money in the budget. We have not gone through the budget review yet. The Minister of Finance indicated that we've got some additional dollars for caribou surveys and we also have some new money for the biophysical assessment. Thank you.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. But no officers. So, Mr. Speaker, can I get the commitment of this Minister to ensure that in the upcoming year there will be a total and complete survey of the caribou? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we've done a number of surveys already and we're quite comfortable with our numbers that were provided for the Bathurst herd, also a number of the other herds, the Bluenose herd and the Cape Bathurst. The plan is to go forward next year and do the survey for the Beverly herd, Mr. Speaker. We have to work with the other jurisdictions, especially Nunavut, to start looking at having further consultations and discussion about protecting some of the calving grounds and things that were recommended at the Caribou Summit, Mr. Speaker.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Minister recognize the fact that caribou herds are not being surveyed consistently just like Census Canada, although I won't speak to their efficiency, but I will say the fact that they survey Canada from coast to coast to coast, it seems unreasonable that they would do it, well, one area this year, the next area the year after, and maybe we'll get around to one eventually or we could just guess. So the fact is there's inconsistent numbers out there. Would the Minister commit to the fact that we need to look at all the numbers at once, therefore, we could have a real understanding of what the numbers are? Could he look into that? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, I think our government spends roughly around $600,000 a year on issues surrounding caribou. One herd to be surveyed is about $250,000 to $300,000, Mr. Speaker. There are other issues that we look at. There are other ways that we monitor caribou herds: calf survival rates; calf birthrates; we look at wolf dens. All those things have to be part of the assessment and that costs money, Mr. Speaker. There are a number of other herds out there. I'm not sure if the Member wants us to start surveying the Qamanirjuaq herd, the Wager Bay herd, the Lorillard herd.

Those herds are really outside of our jurisdiction and don't venture into this part of the Territories. Mr. Speaker, if we could survey all the herds across North America, that

would be the best angle to take, but we can only work with what the resources allow us to do. Thank you.

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Question 368-15(5): Renovations To Diamond Jenness Secondary School

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1021

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions are to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . Recently, Mr. Dent had an opportunity to come to Hay River and have a look at the Diamond Jenness Secondary School. Mr. Speaker, needless to say, the school may look nice but it isn't all that it appears. It's functionally a very difficult building to manage.

Mr. Speaker, two of the principles of our capital planning process are the protection of people and the protection of assets. I would like to ask Mr. Dent that as a result of the functional review that was done last summer, did that review indicate that this school is in dire need of upgrade, a major upgrade and renovation? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Public Works took a look at that school and provided a report to us. They do recommend that we move forward as quickly as possible with a renovation project. They recommended that we look at starting the planning in the next fiscal year, finish the planning the year after that, with construction to start two years hence, on a renovation project. They haven't identified areas where they saw that it was a danger to human occupation. We would have to deal with that immediately if they had identified some of those problems. But they did make clear to us that it is time to ensure that the project gets brought forward. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, would the Minister make available a copy of that review to me? I would like to see a copy of that review of that facility, because I believe there are things in that school which could potentially be dangerous, unsafe and unhealthy. I'd like to see a copy of it to see if it identifies those things. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The report does identify ways in which the operations of the facility could be changed right now in order to make sure that it is a safer, more comfortable place to be. But in talking to my colleague, the Minister of Public Works , he's agreed that that report can be made available and we'd be happy to provide that to the Member.

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Thank you, Mr. Dent . Final supplementary, Ms. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, some of the things that need to be done to make the school more functional and safer in the interim, would the Minister commit to looking at those things, identifying costs and bringing forward something in the form of supplementary funding or financing to address those deficiencies? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We'll take a look at all of the recommendations that have come in in the technical report. I believe that we are moving on those that have been identified already, but I'll review that.

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Paul Delorey

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Calvin Pokiak

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I'm going to have questions for the Minister of ENR . Yesterday we talked about alternative energy here in the House. I appreciate the fact that Ulukhaktok, Sachs Harbour, Tuk and Paulatuk are part of the Wind Energy Development Program. I have a question for the Minister responsible for ENR . I understand that the federal government has a program called Equal Energy for Renewable Power and a program discussion paper, and one of the things that they left out, Mr. Speaker, is remote, small communities in the Arctic.

I'm wondering, can the Minister responsible for ENR talk with his fellow counterparts to include the remote, small communities as part of the discussion program? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Pokiak . The honourable Minister responsible for Environment and Natural Resources , Mr. McLeod.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the announcements by the federal government, we haven't had all the detail provided to us yet. I've had the opportunity to talk to Minister Lunn regarding some of the announcements, and he's indicated that we will have the detail, including the breakout as to the actual dollars. So we're still waiting for those things. We're hoping that some of the federal announcements that have come forward along with our new Energy and Greenhouse Gas Strategy, we'll be able to marry up and we'll be able to provide some programming for the communities in the Northwest Territories.

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Calvin Pokiak

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd appreciate it if the Minister could provide that information once he gets the details, Mr. Speaker. I understand there's a small-scale renewable and alternative power facility located outside of Tuk. I understand that they are having problems with it right now and they'd like to relocate it. I wonder if the Minister can provide funding to relocate the wind power generate...

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, we'd have to get more information on it as to that specific project and the problems around it. Mr. Speaker, there are a number of new initiatives that we're looking at that we will be introducing in this House, and will have some new budget lines. I'm hoping that this will be able to address the problems the Member is referring to.

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Calvin Pokiak

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm just wondering, can the Minister ensure that, provided it can get funds to relocate that facility, can you do that? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1022

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Pokiak . Mr. McLeod.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, I'm not in a position to make that commitment at this point. We don't have all the detail from the federal government and we still have yet to table our energy plan and our greenhouse gas plan/strategy in this House. I'll commit to the Member that we'll take a look at it as soon as we have more detail. I'm going to require more information from the Member, also. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

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Question 370-15(5): Mackenzie Gas Project Socio-economic Agreement

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions today are for the Premier and it gets to the statement I made earlier on the Mackenzie Gas Project Socio-Economic Agreement. I wanted to ask the Premier why his government would see to it to write a letter of comfort to the proponents suggesting to them a tax environment that would be stable on the one hand, and then on the other hand when we have an opportunity to get the proponents to come to our defence in a 20-year battle that this government has had with Ottawa in trying to get resource revenue sharing, it's not there. I'd like to ask the Premier why this omission was allowed to take place. Mahsi.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Premier , Mr. Handley .

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The negotiations -- and we're in the middle of tough negotiations right now with the federal government on resource revenue sharing and devolution -- are negotiations between us and the federal government and aboriginal government. Those are not negotiations with the pipeline proponents. Mr. Speaker, they could give us a statement of support, I suppose, but I don't think they want to do that politically. I don't think they'd want to get into that. They're in the business of developing oil and gas pipelines and will stay with that.

They will leave the politics to us and they've made that very clear to us, that they have no role in discussions we have with the federal government and don't intend to get into it. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I just think we, as a government, are missing an opportunity, a great opportunity to get the proponents to come to the table, come to our defence and say this project is being built in the Mackenzie Valley in the Northwest Territories and we need to support the Government of the Northwest Territories in their fight to get resource revenue sharing, Mr. Speaker.

I'd like to ask the Premier another question and that gets back to supporting the establishment of a permanent trust fund, or a heritage fund, to ensure a lasting legacy from this project to residents in the Northwest Territories. Why was this omitted? There's no discussion or talk of a trust fund of any nature in the socio-economic agreement and I'd like to know why. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Premier , Mr. Handley .

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, as I said, the negotiations on resource revenue sharing and royalties and taxes and so on are negotiations between us and the federal government. To try to add those into an agreement with the proponents would be asking them to agree to something that they have no control over, no involvement in, and would be something that, if I was in their shoes, I wouldn't agree to either. They have no role in it. It's between us and the federal government. Mr. Speaker, those negotiations are ongoing.

The idea of a trust fund is something we have to take up with the federal government in terms of our resource revenue sharing and what we do with that money eventually. This is not an issue for the proponents. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley . Final supplementary, Mr. Ramsay .

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, that's where I tend to disagree with the Premier . As I mentioned, the pipeline is being built in the Northwest Territories and I think the proponents would be wise to side with the Government of the Northwest Territories in our fight.

The last question I have for the Premier , I'd like to ask him, in terms of monitoring the project, $75,000 a year after construction, it doesn't seem to me that that would be adequate and I'd like to have the Premier comment on that. Thank you.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, again, I'm not sure exactly how much it's going to take to monitor. Once the pipeline is built, it's a pipe in the ground, it comes out of the ground every now and again, there are a few compressor stations, and there isn't a huge, active utility there that needs a lot of scrutiny in terms of its ongoing monitoring. I don't think it's going to be a huge project. I suspect that the $75,000 is probably pretty accurate in terms of what is needed for that kind of project.

It's much simpler than monitoring a mine, for example, an open pit mine where they're expanding and opening new pits and doing different things with water and so on. This is a pretty benign project, once it's built. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley . Oral questions. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Question 371-15(5): Federal Funding For Northern Sports And Recreation Programs

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions today are for the Minister of MACA before he jets off to Whitehorse. Mr. Speaker, yesterday I had the occasion to get a briefing on the sports and recreation community and how they are funded, and I learned a lot of new things that I haven't been briefed on lately. I understand that the total budget is over $4 million, that they get most of the money from lotteries, and, secondly, they get money from the territorial government but a very small portion from the federal government. In light of the importance of this issue, that was a new thing for me.

Coincidentally last night on the news, the federal government is talking about reviving the ParticipACTION and there's a great concern about our young people not being as healthy as they ought to be. So I'd like to ask the Minister what work he's involved in, in trying to get some federal funding to fund our very expensive sports programs that are very good for the communities, and we need to do more of that. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Honourable Minister responsible for Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. McLeod.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we have been working for a number of years now on a number of issues that are common to all the residents of Canada. There has been a lot of focus in the last while regarding the infrastructure requirements, and that includes recreation facilities and sports facilities. That's something we've raised at the federal/provincial/territorial level. We've also raised the issue of participation and getting people more active. As sports Ministers from across Canada, we've worked with the federal government, we've set a target of increasing ParticipACTION by 10 percent.

So those things are coming forward and I'm expecting that some of these announcements will be as a result of some of that work that took place. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The facility is one thing, and programming. It is so expensive for us to fund a lot of games that we do for our children, and we do a lot of it focusing on participation rather than elite sporting; and that, too. There was a statement about teachers, and teachers are the number one fundraisers and all the community people who need to raise money for not only programs, but for facilities. Could I ask the Minister for more detail on what he's expecting, or has he heard anything about what is our dollar amount?

From what I learned, the federal government funds about $200,000 out of a $4 million budget. Could he give us any number as to any tables that he's working on with his federal counterparts that we could foresee? Thank you.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, we haven't heard from the federal government, so I'm not able to provide that information. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final supplementary, Ms. Lee .

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister commit to the House to contact him and see how we could get involved in this ParticipACTION plan, or any other programs, so that we could subsidize or at least help with the program we're already funding? Thank you.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We'll be glad to provide that information. We have a number of our own programs that we certainly can compile that information, the dollar amounts, the criteria for the program. We also have funding partners that we work with: Sport North. We also have the new sports council that has programs. We also have partnership arrangements with ECE and the Department of Health. So we can compile all that information, including the dollars that may be coming from the federal government.

At this point, I'm expecting that it will be a lump sum for all of Canada and the breakout won't be there, but we'll certainly get as much information as we can and provide it to the Member. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Oral questions. The honourable Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. McLeod.

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Question 372-15(5): Training Opportunities For Young Northerners

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, going back to my Member's statement on training opportunities available to what's turning out to be the largest and most expensive project in the Northwest Territories -- and I'm not talking about our new school in Inuvik -- I'd like to ask the Minister of Education , what's the government's strategy in development of training opportunities for northerners? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In advance of the commitment to build the project, and until the funds start flowing through our socio-economic agreement, the college is a significant player in education in the Northwest Territories. But we also have Community Futures, an organization that is a jointly funded operation by aboriginal governments, this government, the Canadian government and industry, to ensure that pipeline training is made available in advance. That's the area in which most of our training right now is being concentrated. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Supplementary, Mr. McLeod.

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in briefings recently, I heard the Aboriginal Futures had over 1,000 people taking generic training. Can the Minister define "generic training?" Thank you.

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