Debates of Oct. 2nd, 1997

This is page numbers 1369 - 1388 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was health .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Sessional Statement - Fiscal Update

Update On Bhp Socio-economic Agreement

Nav Canada Fees For Air Navigation Services

Inuvialuit Petroleum Corporation Achievement

Speech Pathologist For The South Slave

Addressing Forced Growth

Need For A Daycare Program In Broughton Island

Proposed Reduction To Inuvik Health Board Funding

Health Board Funding

Proposed Nunavut Electoral Boundaries

Tribute To Jim Evoy

Relocation Of Federal Civil Servants

Educating Disabled Children

Concerns With Community Empowerment

Returns To Oral Questions 516-13(4): Tender Closing And Medevac Contract Award

Returns To Oral Questions 534-13(4): Penalty For Contravening The Financial Administration Act

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Health Board Funding

Bussing Fees

Speech Pathology Services

Resources Dedicated To Inclusive Schooling

Regulations For Health Equipment

Tax Break For Low-income Residents

Aurora Investment Fund Status

Gender-neutral Job Evaluation

Future Of The Personnel Secretariat

Special Needs Students' Services

Status Of Mackenzie River Basin Master Agreement

Guaranteed Mortgage Agreements

Teenage Pregnancy And Family Planning

Tabled Document 103-13(4): Letter Regarding Sanikiluaq's Concerns On The Recommended Nunavut Electoral Boundaries

Tabled Document 104-13(4):review Of Changes To Medical Services In The Keewatin And Baffin Regions

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Miltenberger , Honourable Don Morin , Honourable Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable Manitok Thompson , Honourable John Todd .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 1369

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ningark . Before proceeding with the orders of the day, I would like to inform the House of the passing yesterday of Mrs. Effie Krutko, nee MacDonald, the mother of Mr. David Krutko , the Member for MacKenzie Delta . Mrs. Krutko passed away yesterday after a very long battle with cancer. I understand that she was able to travel to the Delta earlier this year which allowed her to see family and friends before she was returned to the hospital here in Yellowknife. Our prayers are with David and his family today. Also, deepest sympathy to my constituent Evelyn Krutko for the loss of her mother. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Todd

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Minister's Statement 100-13(4): Sessional Statement - Fiscal Update

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 1369

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Mr. Speaker, it is my pleasure to rise today and formally welcome Members back to the House after the summer recess. I would like to take this opportunity to provide the Members with more details on the fiscal position of the Government of the Northwest Territories and several of the key issues that the Premier addressed in his sessional statement yesterday.

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to inform the House that we are on course to meet or exceed the deficit reduction targets established in our fiscal recovery plan. Last winter, the government anticipated an annual deficit for 1996-97 of $38 million. With our books for last year now closed, we can report that the deficit dropped to $12 million. While this result is subject to final audit, this reduced 1996-97 deficit means our accumulated deficit rose to only $41 million rather than the $65 million we forecast.

Mr. Speaker, in last February's Budget Address, I announced that this government would balance its budget for the first time in four years. Preliminary figures for the year indicate that we are on course to meet our target with a small surplus of $9 million. This small surplus will be applied against our accumulated deficit.

Mr. Speaker, it is important to note that our fiscal recovery would not have been reached without the co-operation and commitment of all Members of this House. I want to thank them for that. However, I also want to stress that while these forecasts are indeed encouraging, it is important that we all recognize the need to remain vigilant and stay the course with our fiscal recovery plan to ensure that we leave the emerging new governments of Nunavut and the Western Territory and future generations with the fiscal stability that results from a balanced budget.

Mr. Speaker, on behalf of the Government of the Northwest Territories, I would like to state that this Government is fully committed to the principle of pay equity, and is determined to negotiate a resolution to the issue. We are currently meeting with the Union of Northern Workers to identify issues that can be resolved through negotiations. At the same time, Mr. Speaker, we are in the process of implementing a new gender-neutral job evaluation system and I am confident with the support of the UNW that we will finalize the implementation of this system.

Mr. Speaker, as I have stated many times in this House, it is the preference of the Government of the Northwest Territories to find a negotiated resolution to this matter with the Union of Northern Workers. However, it would be remiss of me if I did not stress that it is incumbent on this government to ensure the settlement we make is affordable and does not result in further large-scale program or position reductions; clearly that is not our desire.

Mr. Speaker, while it is important that we remain vigilant in our efforts on the debt reduction side, it is important that we balance this with investments in key program areas in the social and economic development envelopes. Mr. Speaker, Members of this House have noted on many occasions the importance of ensuring that we continue to deliver essential program such as health and social services to our residents. It was for this reason that funding for the social envelope was maintained and, in fact, increased while all other program areas underwent significant budget reductions over the past two years.

As a further step, Mr. Speaker, we have recently identified $4 million to reinvest into our health care system to target strategic reinvestments towards long term health care of our residents. My colleague, the Honourable Kelvin Ng , will be providing more details on this funding later during the session.

Mr. Speaker, during the last session, Members will recall that I announced a reinvestment of $16 million in a Northern Employment Strategy designed to stimulate economic development and job creation in our northern communities. Mr. Speaker, while this strategy was only launched several months ago and departments are still at the implementation stage for a number of the programs, I am pleased to provide this House with a progress report on the results of the strategy to date.

- A total of 46,000 work weeks of employment have been stimulated, this is the equivalent of 1,150 full time jobs;

- Over $9 million has been invested through equity and partnership contributions towards projects;

- Over $6 million in debt financing programs has been provided to the private sector to finance business expansion projects that stimulate economic growth in our communities; and

- As a result of our financial support to employers to hire summer students and youth, over 807 young people have been provided with employment opportunities this summer.

Mr. Speaker, the Northern Employment Strategy represents a significant shift in how this government approaches economic development and job creation. It focuses on developing co-ordinated approaches to economic development in creative partnership with the private sector, communities and regional based organizations.

I would like to congratulate my colleagues, the Honourable Charles Dent , Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , the Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development and the Honourable Manitok Thompson , Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs as well as all Members of this House for their efforts in making this program a success.

Mr. Speaker, as the Premier has stated on many occasions, the development of our non-renewable resource sector represents our single most important opportunity for sustainable economic growth in the Northwest Territories. With this said, we are on the brink of the most significant period of non-renewable resource development in the history of the Northwest Territories with the development of one and perhaps more diamond mines over the next decade. Mr.

Speaker, finding ways to maximize the employment and business opportunities resulting from the development of northern diamonds remains one of the key priorities of this government. The first step in the process was the negotiation of a socio-economic agreement with BHP for both the construction and operational phases of this project. The second step is ensuring that the north maximize its economic potential from the production of northern diamonds. Mr.

Speaker, the one aspect of this economic potential that has received the most debate is the extent to which valuation and sorting is done in the Northwest Territories. As the Premier stated yesterday, the position of the Northwest Territories with respect to this issue is clear and unequivocal.

It is the position of the Government of the Northwest Territories:

- that diamonds mined in the Northwest Territories must be valued and sorted in a manner that provides an accurate value for royalty and taxation purposes and maximize the economic potential for the Northwest Territories;

- that the sorting and valuation facility or facilities must be located in an NWT community, off the mine site; and that potential NWT manufacturers be given the opportunity to purchase diamond 'rough' to maximize the economic potential for value added industries in the north.

Mr. Speaker, as Northerners we have a responsibility to ensure that when the federal government develops public policy on North America's first major diamond mine that it reflects the constituency we represent and ensures that all Canadians benefit from this development. Mr. Speaker, while the issue of valuation and sorting of northern diamonds is of great importance to this government, equally important is how taxation and royalty revenues from the production of northern diamonds are shared between the federal and territorial governments. Mr.

Speaker, it is the position of this government that the revenues raised from the production of northern diamonds must be equitably shared with the people of the Northwest Territories. Revenues that will help reduce our reliance on the federal government and assist in the development of a strong and vibrant economy.

Mr. Speaker, we are not asking the federal government for more money, we are only asking as other Canadians are, like Mr. Tobin in Newfoundland, for a fair share of the new incremental revenues that this dynamic industry will bring. Mr. Speaker, it is important to emphasize that should we be unable to negotiate an equitable revenue sharing arrangement with the federal government, we will have to pursue alternative options for revenue generation from diamond production. My department is currently working on a paper to review these options, including but not limited to the introduction of new taxation measures.

Mr. Speaker, the Honourable Stephen Kakfwi and I will be meeting with the federal Ministers of Indian Affairs and Northern Development and Finance later this month and we intend to press our position concerning both revenue sharing and the valuation and sorting of northern diamonds at that time. I will keep all Members apprised of the results of these discussion. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 100-13(4): Sessional Statement - Fiscal Update

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 1370

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Todd . Ministers' statements, Mr. Kakfwi .

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Minister's Statement 101-13(4): Update On Bhp Socio-economic Agreement

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 1370

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am pleased to provide Members of the Legislative Assembly with an update on the Socio-Economic Agreement signed by our

government and BHP in October, 1996. Members will recall that the agreement provided commitments on employment and business opportunities arising from the BHP NWT Diamond Project. I am encouraged that BHP has opted to release quarterly statistics even though the Socio-Economic Agreement only requires an annual report. I am also encouraged that the company remains a proponent of open dialogue and promotes public access to information about the mine site.

Since the agreement was signed, my department and other departments have been working very closely with BHP, and I am pleased to report that the commitments outlined in the agreement are being met to our satisfaction. It is encouraging to see northerners and northern businesses directly benefiting from the project. BHP is more than satisfying the minimum local business procurement targets established under the Socio-Economic Agreement. As of the end of July, the total value of goods and services purchased for the construction phase of the project was $250 million.

Of this amount, $131 million or 53 percent was purchased from northern businesses. This figure far exceeds the 28 percent target established under the Socio-Economic Agreement.

BHP is also meeting its employment targets. The agreement requires 33 percent of total employment during the construction phase of the project to be northern and 14 percent of all employment to be aboriginal. The company's figures show that 46 percent of total employment has been northern and 19 percent aboriginal.

Mr. Speaker, BHP is to be congratulated on its efforts todate. But we must be vigilant to make sure that any skilled northerner who would like to work at the mine site is given the opportunity to go after a job. I view targets as being a minimum and therefore expect the targets will be exceeded throughout the life of the project. Mr. Speaker, at this time it is premature to comment on the monitoring of community health and wellness indicators. These indicators are assessed on an annual basis and would, therefore, not be reported before the end of October.

However I would like to acknowledge the work that has been completed todate under the community mobilization initiative. The initiative is an industry led partnership with northern business and communities created to maximize job and business opportunities for northern and aboriginal people for mining and related industry projects. This initiative continues to evolve thanks in part to assistance from a variety of corporate sponsors.

I want to reaffirm our government's position that large scale projects such as BHP Diamond Mine must provide employment and business opportunities to northerners. Our challenge is to continue working to maximize employment and business benefits arising, not only from the BHP project but also from development projects in the future.

Lawyers have an obligation, each has to do his or her part to ensure their children benefit from resource utilization. Our youth have to stay in school. Some residents will have to take upgrading. Training courses have to be taken and completed as without skills there will be few jobs. The time arising for this mine is a long one. The current projection for the BHP property is a lifespan of 25 years and there will be other mines. Thank you.

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Minister's Statement 101-13(4): Update On Bhp Socio-economic Agreement

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi . Ministers' statements. Mr. Antoine .

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Minister's Statement 102-13(4): Nav Canada Fees For Air Navigation Services

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 1371

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mr. Speaker, today I would like to bring the Assembly up-to-date on the commercialization of Canada's air navigation system under NAV Canada and the likely effects we should expect on the cost of air transportation in the north. I know this is an issue of interest for everyone who lives in the north because there is no region in Canada that is more dependent on air transportation than the Northwest Territories.

Up until now, the air navigation system has been paid for mainly through the Air Transportation Tax collected along with the fare on every air passenger ticket sold. Earlier this year, NAV Canada proposed to replace the Air Transportation Tax with a new fee structure based simply on gross aircraft weight and flight distance. The announcement of the new fee structure prompted a great deal of speculation as to its effect on the price of air travel and freight rates.

In truth, it is very difficult to make comparisons and projections between the two methods of collecting revenue because they work on entirely different principles. The Air Transportation Tax was levied strictly on passengers. It did not apply to air cargo. NAV Canada's new fees are based on the carrying capacity of the aircraft. The air carriers can recover the fees from the passengers or the cargo or some combination of the two. How the carriers will choose to distribute the fees remains to be seen.

While the fee structure would be, as intended, mainly revenue neutral on air routes in southern Canada, the northern air carriers and the Department of Transportation were quick to realize that it would increase passenger fares and air cargo rates in northern Canada. The new fee structure applies to an aircraft's carrying capacity regardless of whether that carrying capacity is fully or partially used. Flights on northern routes are not generally as full as flights on southern routes. Aircraft in the north carry freight mainly one way. Return flights are usually empty.

The NAV Canada fees will have a greater impact on low traffic routes in the north than they will on high traffic routes in the south.

Since NAV Canada announced its proposed fee structure, we have lobbied hard with the Northern Air Transport Association (NATA), the northern air carriers and Chambers of Commerce for concessions and exemptions that would lessen its impact on the north. I have expressed my concerns directly and in writing to the federal Minister of Transport and the President of NAV Canada.

The Department of Transportation convened a meeting on September 2nd of provincial and territorial deputy ministers of Transportation to consider the impact of the fees. The deputy ministers from Ontario, Nova Scotia, Newfoundland and Manitoba agreed with our concerns with the impacts on northern and remote communities. British Columbia and Saskatchewan were not pleased with the consultation process. The deputy ministers agreed to put the issue at the top of their agenda for the Transportation Association of Canada's meeting in Montreal later this month.

At a meeting in Yellowknife on September 3rd with the department and NATA representatives, NAV Canada officials recognized that the fee structure would increase air transportation costs in the north, but if there were an increase, they thought it would be small.

The Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , the Deputy Premier; Mr. Joe Handley, the deputy minister of Transportation; Mr. Ken Copeland, the president and chief executive officer of NAV Canada and Mr. Arthur Andreassen, the director of Rates and Revenues, met in Ottawa on September 10th. At this meeting, NAV Canada conceded that the effect on northern air routes had been an oversight. They agreed to watch the impacts closely through the first phase of fee implementation when it takes effect on March 1, 1998.

They also agreed to better consultations for the second phase of implementation that begins on November 1, 1998 and extends the fee structure to include smaller aircraft.

As things stand today, we will have to wait and see how receptive and flexible NAV Canada is prepared to be to our representations. NAV Canada suggests that its new fee structure will not produce an increase in our air transportation costs of any more than three percent. Some northern air carriers have projected an increase as high as eight percent.

Mr. Speaker, my time is up. I would like to seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Minister's Statement 102-13(4): Nav Canada Fees For Air Navigation Services

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Nahendeh is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his Minister's statement. Mr. Antoine , you have unanimous consent.

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Minister's Statement 102-13(4): Nav Canada Fees For Air Navigation Services

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the estimates of between three and eight percent apply to total industry revenues. As of yet, we have no indication how the carriers intend to distribute the fees between passenger fares and freight rates.

In any case, our efforts have certainly made NAV Canada aware of the effect of their new fees on the cost of northern air services. We will continue to work with the northern air industry and the Chambers of Commerce to see that the shift to cost recovery in Canada's air navigation system does not impose an unfair burden on the cost of air transportation in the north on which we depend and that is already too high. Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Steen .

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Member's Statement 409-13(4): Inuvialuit Petroleum Corporation Achievement

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1372

Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Welcome back and I wish to extend this welcome back to the other Members as well. Mr. Speaker, by way of this Member's statement, I wish to call attention to a very significant achievement accomplished by the Inuvialuit Petroleum Corporation. Namely, the successful drilling and testing of the Ikhil gas well located 30 miles north of the town of Inuvik during the winter months of 1997.

As some Members may already know this successful drilling and testing program was a significant part of the overall plan the IPC has undertaken to supply natural gas to the town of Inuvik. The successful completion of the Ikhil K-35 well has assured a 15-year reliable supply of natural gas with potential for larger reserves in the immediate area.

IPC's overall expenditures on this portion of the Inuvik gas project was in the neighbourhood of $1.6 million, a major portion of which was spent in the Beaufort Delta area to the benefit of local businesses and residents.

Mr. Speaker, the overall completion of the Inuvik gas project calls for construction of production facilities, construction of a 30 mile gas pipeline from the well site to the town gates and a distribution system within the town of Inuvik. Total cost of the project would be in the neighbourhood of $30 million. Time lines for completion is the year 2000. Potential benefits through local employment and businesses is approximately $25 million. Potential energy savings to Inuvik customers is a 15 percent reduction in heating and power costs.

Most if not all regulatory requirements have been met and at the present time IPC is negotiating with potential customers to assure enough customers undertake conversion to natural gas to make the project viable. This includes negotiations with this government for conversion of government owned or controlled buildings within Inuvik.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Member's Statement 409-13(4): Inuvialuit Petroleum Corporation Achievement

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Nunakput is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his Member's statement. You have unanimous consent.

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Member's Statement 409-13(4): Inuvialuit Petroleum Corporation Achievement

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And thank you to my colleagues. As a Member of this Assembly representing this particular area I ask that this government cooperate to the fullest extent with the IPC towards the successful completion

of this project. Mr. Speaker, I wish to point here that it is not as if this group is asking for an unreasonable subsidy from this government such as the BIP or, heaven forbid, a clothing allowance. All they are asking for is a little cooperation from the government to the benefit of all local residents.

Mr. Speaker, I believe the most significant fact here is not the scope of the project itself, but rather the fact that this project is being undertaken by a 100 percent aboriginal group for the benefit of the people in the region and in the NWT as well. This is solid evidence of an aboriginal land claims group utilizing the natural resources obtained through claims negotiations for the benefit of themselves and other Canadians as well. The Inuvialuit can lay claim to being the first aboriginal group to undertake the production of petroleum products in the NWT and for the direct benefit of NWT residents.

The Inuvik gas project, when completed and the gas is flowing, will serve to show that it is possible to construct pipelines safely north of the Arctic Circle. The oil and gas industry is a risky business at best, but this group of people are willing to take reasonable risk for the benefit of the Inuvialuit and the NWT in general.

Mr. Speaker, the Ikhil gas reserves represent a very small portion of the overall proven gas reserves in the Mackenzie Delta and Beaufort Sea. What is unique about this reserve is that it is situated on Inuvialuit 7(1)a lands, therefore the Inuvialuits own it, lock stock and barrel, including the royalties.

There are trillions of cubic feet of proven natural gas reserves in the Parson Lake area located within 15 miles of the Ikhil Reserve but the federal government along with the major oil companies who hold the development rights have chosen to just sit on these resources rather than develop them to the benefit of the country.

Mr. Speaker, I, for one, feel that if the federal government is not willing and ready to develop the resources of this territory located on federal lands than they should turn these resources over to this government for disposal and development. Further more, if this government cannot figure out what to do with the resources, why then turn them over to the Inuvialuit? They will do something with them I can assure you. Who knows they may even give this government a deal on the price when we sell this gas back to them. Mr.

Speaker, as an Inuvialuit beneficiary representing a riding consisting of a major portion of the Inuvialuit settlement area I feel privileged to be able to make this statement today. I hope the rest of the Members of this Assembly will join me in congratulating this very ambitious claims group on their achievements today. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 409-13(4): Inuvialuit Petroleum Corporation Achievement

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Member's Statement 410-13(4): Speech Pathologist For The South Slave

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, over 150 young children that live in the South Slave region have been diagnosed as requiring the services of a speech and language pathologist. If these children do not receive professional services, the road ahead is going to be particularly difficult. Language is the main method of establishing and maintaining social relationships. It is also central to the acquisition of many academic skills, particularly literacy. Our government has acknowledged that education is fundamental to self sufficiency. For these young children and their families each day is filled with frustration.

As a government we only know the situation from what is presented to us on paper. We do not experience the challenges of the affected families. It is vital to the lives of these children that they have early intervention from speech pathologists. It would cost the government less than $56 per child, per year, for a speech language pathologist to be located in Hay River, for the benefit of all of the South Slave region.

The services that a speech language pathologist provide include: working with individuals with hearing impairment, autism, developmental, emotional, behavioural and physical handicaps. They also work with children with speech and voice problems.

In the South Slave at present, we have the services of a speech language pathologist from the Stanton Regional Hospital. This person is very capable, but the demand is such that most of the time is spent diagnosing cases, not in treating them. Often the treatment has to be administered by parents and teachers.

The South Slave region receives visits from a speech pathologist three times a year, and this is not enough for the number of cases that we have. The people of the South Slave have pursued the placement of a speech language pathologist in Hay River, but have been informed that is not possible under present economic conditions.

Presently in the Northwest Territories, there are six language speech pathologists. Five are located in Yellowknife and one in Inuvik. The five in Yellowknife service the whole territories. If families want to receive services outside of those offered by Stanton, they have to get a doctor's referral to Edmonton and pay for it themselves.

I reiterate the need for a speech language pathologist to be situated in Hay River. We have an unaddressed need and I will be working with my colleagues in pursuing this issue on behalf of my constituents with the Minister responsible for Health and Social Services . Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 410-13(4): Speech Pathologist For The South Slave

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Mr. Picco .

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Member's Statement 411-13(4): Addressing Forced Growth

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, over the past 22 months, the 13th Assembly has had to deal with deficit reductions, division, transitional plans, housing shortages and a myriad of other issues. Mr. Speaker, the 13th Assembly has managed to get the deficit under control, the Student Job

Strategy this past summer, Project 2000, the Access to Information legislation and other initiatives have been successful to varying degrees.

However, we have not addressed the dilemma of population increase and forced growth. The Northwest Territories has the highest teenage birth rate per capita in the country. Inflationary factors of forced growth have caused increased spending within the social envelope to the point of sustainability. Mr. Speaker, we have to address this now. Other jurisdictions have implemented family planning programs and courses at the high school level. We need to begin these programs from the current drib-drab approach more pro-actively.

Mr. Speaker, family planning, high birth rates and teenage pregnancy are very delicate subjects to approach at the best of times. But something has to be done and it has to start now. Education of the implementation and ramifications of the continued teenage pregnancy and the impact socially, as well as monetarily, have to be explained.

Mr. Speaker, as an elected official over the past 22 months, I have tried to bring areas of constituency and territorial matters to this House. I have tried to provide constructive criticism as well as solutions to our problems. The legacy of the 13th Assembly will be of what we have accomplished, and not what we have pontificated on.

Later today I will ask the Minister of Health and Social Services about the issues surrounding family planning and strategies to address it.

Mr. Speaker, as I have said in this House before, a goal without a slogan is just a strategy. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 411-13(4): Addressing Forced Growth

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Picco . Members' statements. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Member's Statement 412-13(4): Need For A Daycare Program In Broughton Island

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In most communities there is the need for daycare facilities for working parents and parents attending school. These people are trying to improve their lives by attending school or finding employment. Daycare is a necessary service for steps towards independence from government.

Under early childhood programs, there is funding available to the communities. To get this funding the community has to complete procedures laid down by the Department of Education. For two years a group within the community of Broughton Island has been trying to start a daycare but has been unsuccessful. The community needs assistance to achieve this goal. They are bewildered as to who to approach and how to approach them.

Mr. Speaker, when our government offers grants and programs to the people of the north, it is important that they also offer information and help so that all individuals can have equal access. Often, due to the lack of staff or information, small communities miss out on programs and money. Unfortunately, these are often the communities that need help the most. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Enuaraq . Members' statements. Mr. Roland .

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Member's Statement 413-13(4): Proposed Reduction To Inuvik Health Board Funding

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, when the news hit the airways about a possible $6 million reduction in the Inuvik Health Board budget, there was much concern being raised from the people of Inuvik.

Mr. Speaker, if this were to go through, it would absolutely devastate the Inuvik region. I think we as legislators, are aware of the burden all northern communities face when it comes to the health of our constituents. We are also aware of the high costs of providing care to the people who are entitled to it here in the north.

It is with this that I say that we must measure adequacy of service, not funding allocations to health boards. This is the message that I share with both the Minister of Health and Social Services and the Minister of Finance . I would like to thank both of them for meeting with me and allowing me to raise the concerns of the Inuvik residents through them. I am thankful for the news that the Inuvik Regional Health Board will not be receiving a reduction in its budget.

Mr. Speaker, it is not often that I thank any Minister for their work in helping the community of Inuvik out. It has, however, been only a brief break in the many dark days Inuvik has faced todate. And I look forward to a more positive message being sent out to the residents of Inuvik and those of the Northwest Territories, and until I start receiving more of this positive news, I will be defending the interests of the Inuvik residents.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Member's Statement 414-13(4): Health Board Funding

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. At the end of August, I publicly raised the issue of the concern about the proposed formula for health boards that would have seen a shift of up to $13 million from western health boards to eastern health boards. It was shameful, Mr. Speaker.

However, having publicly raised the issue, I would also like to publicly thank the Minister for hearing the concerns of the people of Fort Smith and the Western Arctic and agreeing to a wise course of action that would not see any cuts to the health boards budgets for the life of this government.

Mr. Speaker, I would be remiss if I did not comment on the alacrity as well with which the Premier joined the fray. He was on the air very quickly and the one phrase that stuck in my mind was he said that I was irresponsible. Mr. Speaker, I may be irrepressible or irresistible, but never irresponsible.

My colleague from Iqaluit, the prince of pontification, also joined the fray and kept the level of debate where he is most comfortable.

Very clearly, Mr. Speaker, on the march to division, the issue of equity and fairness east and west is going to be paramount in all our minds, so that at the end of the day we have a win situation when we hit April 1999.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker and thank you, to my Cabinet colleagues for their wise decisions.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr Arlooktoo.

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Member's Statement 415-13(4): Proposed Nunavut Electoral Boundaries

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to raise an issue that is very important to people of my constituency. Electoral boundaries for Nunavut. The report of Nunavut Electoral Boundaries Commission was tabled in the House yesterday. I would like to express my appreciation to the commission for their hard work.

Early on in the process, Nunavut leaders recommended 20 to 22 seats for a Nunavut government. As I outlined in my verbal submission to the commission, I believe that 17 seats for the Nunavut government, as outlined in the report, is a more realistic number. This recommendation is more cost-effective and still provides constituents with the representation they deserve.

Mr. Speaker, I have consulted with my constituents extensively on this issue. Kimmirut and Cape Dorset are in general agreement with the recommended Model C which keeps these two communities together.

These communities share the same culture, dialect and have close family ties. A shared riding makes sense and I agree. However, the residents of Sanikiluaq expressed a resounding no to being grouped with Whale Cove in a shared riding.

Mr. Speaker, the community of Sanikiluaq is in a unique position. It is geographically remote from all other communities of Nunavut. Scheduled airline flights are difficult, if not impossible. Many of the family and cultural connections are with the Inuit of Quebec, not Whale Cove. Mr. Speaker, this is not a rejection of Whale Cove by Sanikiluaq residents, but simply a desire by Sanikiluaq residents to have their unique situation recognized in a separate riding (Translation ends).

I would like to ask for unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Baffin South is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Arlooktoo , you have unanimous consent.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In conclusion, it is my intention to move a motion in committee of the whole tomorrow when we are discussing these issues requesting that changes be made to the recommended Model C to give Sanikiluaq its own seat in Nunavut Legislature. Also, today I will table the letter sent to me by the mayor of Sanikiluaq, Peter Kattuk, outlining his concerns over the proposed electoral boundary for Sanikiluaq. I look forward to debating this issue tomorrow and elaborating on my concerns for the Members of the Session. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .

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Member's Statement 416-13(4): Tribute To Jim Evoy

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in July the north and labour lost a strong leader when Mr. Jimmy Evoy, president of the NWT Federation of Labour passed away from a heart attack. Mr. Evoy was only 54 years old, which is quite young today. Mr. Evoy was a strong advocate of working peoples' rights and community well being in the north. In addition to his position with the NWT Federation of Labour, Mr. Evoy also served as vice-president of the Canadian Labour of Congress. Mr. Speaker, I knew Jim since 1984 when I was working on an overall pipeline and he came to visit the project as a labour leader.

He was always a strong supporter of people who were less fortunate than him. In fact, he lived and breathed it. He also had a good sense of humour, which he often used to make a point as he did with the clothing drive for the MLAs a couple of days before his heart attack. Mr. Speaker, Mr. Morin , the Premier of the Northwest Territories, indicated that while we did not always see eye to eye on things, I did recognize and respect his opinion and his passion for the rights of northern workers. Mr. Speaker, the north has lost a strong voice, and advocate for the rights of the common people.

While we did not always agree with him, as the Premier said, we did recognize and respect his opinion. I am sure that I speak for all the MLAs when I say that we will miss his wit, his commitment and his dedication not only to labour issues but for most causes that required a strong voice. Thank you.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus . Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Member's Statement 417-13(4): Relocation Of Federal Civil Servants

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yesterday I had the opportunity to question the Premier about the motion we passed in this House four months ago. That motion asked the Premier to initiate a quest that a comprehensive list of federal civil service positions dedicated to policy, development and programming in the Northwest Territories currently located in southern jurisdictions be developed by September 30th and that upon receipt of this comprehensive listing, the Premier initiate discussions with the appropriate federal Ministers to facilitate the relocations as an interim step towards eventual devolution.

Mr. Speaker, yesterday the Premier indicated in his response to my question that he has not acted on an important part of our motion, and I interpreted that to mean he does not intend to act on that

part very soon. You will recall that the reason for the motion was because Cabinet was pursuing only the mineral, oil and gas functions. In the motion, the Ordinary Members asked that this thrust be expanded, recognizing that the federal government has more employees of concern to us than just those in a confined sector of one department, and hence, the motion. In doing my research this summer, I found that some 25 federal departments and agencies have employees that could potentially be considered for our relocation program. I learnt that literally hundreds of jobs and millions of dollars can be identified.

I understand that a lot of relevant detail was contained in a comprehensive report published annually by the Department of Indian and Northern Affairs. The latest such report was issued about 24 months ago. Since then, DIAND has not updated this annual report. Why? Could it be that they recognize how useful this information is to us to identify the very positions we are talking about? It is also interesting to note that this summer, the Yukon Government had a person in Ottawa doing research into just this type of inventory report our motion asked be developed.

Our motion deserves to be acted upon. This is a constructive proposal for us to improve service delivery to northerners and to replenish our job losses, a golden opportunity. It should be an important component of our economic recovery program. Mr. Premier , I would request that you act on our motion. Thank you.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Members' statements. Mr. Henry .

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Member's Statement 418-13(4): Educating Disabled Children

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This morning Lydia Bardak, the executive director of the Northwest Territories Council for Disabled Persons, was on the radio discussing the issue she is being confronted with regarding children within our education system who have difficulties and disabilities. Ms. Bardak indicated she has had significant increase in calls from both families and educators desperately looking for help for their children. These children have a right to an education under the current Education Act.

However, Mr. Speaker, this system, which we call mainstreaming, is not working. It is not working for various reasons, the main one is the student's inability to learn within the way and environment they are being taught in. Schools cannot provide for every student's specific need who walks in their doors. The term mainstreaming or inclusive schooling sounds like a wonderful term where all students with various differences can learn together. However, schools cannot provide the learning environment for these various needs even though they are mandated to do so by the Education Act.

We have children who are blind, who are deaf, who have physical disabilities, who are mentally challenged, who have fetal alcohol syndrome and fetal alcohol effects in epidemic proportions. We have dyslexic children and autistic children. These children are placed within the regular school alongside the rest of the school population and have a right to receive an education to their level and ability to understand like everyone else. Unfortunately, Mr. Speaker, this does not and cannot happen.

I also received a letter from Mrs. Bardak who asked and I quote, "Why do we not have adequately trained professionals? What is the point of inclusive education? It is nothing more than babysitting." I submit that Mrs. Bardak is very close to the truth for many students. Let us be honest. How can we possibly expect teachers to educate students within one class with these various needs without the proper training and support? I commend our teachers, but as hard as they may try they cannot succeed under these circumstances. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Yellowknife South is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? Mr. Henry , you have unanimous consent.

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Member's Statement 418-13(4): Educating Disabled Children

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you colleagues. The new Education Act has increased the student/teacher ratio in classroom and this, the Minister of Education advises, will continue. The Education Act has provisions for funding for students with special needs. Sounds great for those who need it. However, schools are forced to then prioritize how they will use that funding within the school system having to choose one child's needs over another. Mr.

Speaker, how can the school tell the parent of a child with special needs that their child cannot receive special programming because the resources were used for another. Educational institutions are being forced to make these tough decisions. We have all heard the term, education is the key to the future of the north. Mr. Speaker, I suggest that we will have to do more to provide that key. Later today, I will be asking the Minister of Education on this particular topic. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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Member's Statement 419-13(4): Concerns With Community Empowerment

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. During this time of cutbacks and community empowerment, it is my concern that we are not downloading our programs just for the sake of downloading. As we are all aware, the more we devolve to the communities and the more responsibility these communities are taking on, means the risk of more financial ruin. My concern is, are we as government providing all the necessary information that is required to ensure we do not have any form of backlash? Do all programs that are being administered by the communities have the required resources?

I do not want my community in the north to suffer simply because of lack of resources. If there are other problems, then the community must adjust accordingly. We cannot be seen as the group that caused all these problems. We are moving at a tremendous pace as well as our communities and I hope that all is well. It is good that our community people are taking advantage of community empowerment. I hope more people jump in and

start taking advantage of the opportunities that can be realized for community operation and programs. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Rabesca . Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Morin .

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Returns To Oral Questions 516-13(4): Tender Closing And Medevac Contract Award

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Page 1377

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. O'Brien on June 2nd, tender closing for the Medevac contract award--Oral Question 516-13(4). On April 1, 1996 the Department of Health and Social Services transferred the funding and authority for medical travel to hospital and health boards. The boards were directed to issue Request for Proposals (RFPs) for charter air medevac carrier services.

In the Keewatin, a review committee met to review proposals submitted in response to the RFPs. The committee recommended the Keewatin Regional Health Board re-issue the RFPs with more precise specifications regarding aircraft type, runway capabilities, range and speed. Unfortunately, the Board did not formally advise the proponents that they had decided to cancel the proposal call. They have been directed to do so and intend to re-issue this RFPs shortly.

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Returns To Oral Questions 534-13(4): Penalty For Contravening The Financial Administration Act

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

I also have another return, Mr. Speaker, asked by Mr. Picco on June 3, 1997, Penalty for Contravening the Financial Administration Act. On June 3, 1996 Mr. Picco asked if there was a penalty for circumventing the Financial Administration Act. Offences and punishment are addressed in sections 105 and 106 of the Act.

Section 106 specifies that:

"Every public officer or other person who wilfully contravenes this Act or the regulations is guilty of an offence and liable on

summary conviction to a fine not exceeding $5,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding one year or both." Thank you.

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Returns To Oral Questions 534-13(4): Penalty For Contravening The Financial Administration Act

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Morin .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to take this opportunity to recognize a former MLA of this House who is now living in Fort Resolution, Pete Fraser. Pete is very involved, in working with the elders. He also sits in the Elders Justice Committee and helped organize the trip for the elders to Lac St. Anne this summer from Fort Resolution.

--Applause

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Todd .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Mr. Speaker, I do not often get an opportunity to do this, but I would like to recognize this afternoon Mr. and Mrs. John Davenport. John gives me advice frequently even when I do not want it on the budget. John is currently employed with the NWT Power Corporation and my understanding is that he is currently on assignment as resident lecturer with Arctic College. I would like everyone to give them a welcome. Thank you.

--Applause

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 1377

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery, Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize two visiting members of our management team of the Housing Corporation from the Baffin Region, Mr. Peter Scott is the district director and with him is Hunter Tootoo who is on senior management assignment with the Housing Corporation.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Roland .

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Question 564-13(4): Health Board Funding

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1377

Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In my Member's statement I spoke of the health board funding and its allocations. I would just like to ask the Minister responsible for Health and Social Services if he can state in this House that there will be no health board funding cuts to any of the health boards for the life of this Assembly. Thank you.

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Question 564-13(4): Health Board Funding

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1377

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Samuel Gargan

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I cannot definitely say that there will not be any reductions. I do not think that I can anticipate that, pending what happens financially outside the control of this government. The budget still has to be approved by the Financial Management Board and through the Assembly. I can say with as much certainty as possible that there is not any anticipation of implementing formula funding discussions within the life of this government, the allocations based on some of the work that has been done to date.

As I had indicated, we are planning on a $4 million reinvestment into the health care of the Northwest Territories in the 1998/99 fiscal year, and tried to target some strategic investments to address some long term impacts on our health care, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister clarify the health board funding cuts that were being discussed? As a result of those discussions in that plan that was being developed, there will be no reductions based on those? Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yes, in respect to the issue of any shifts in resources as a result of the formula funding exercise that the department and the boards were undertaking, no, there are not any anticipated plans within the life of this government to implement any of the potential shift that might have occurred as a result of that exercise. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 565-13(4): Bussing Fees

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1378

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister for Education, Culture and Employment . It is in regard to the issue of bussing fees. The South Slave last year experienced a significant cut, approximately 42 percent, to their funding for bussing. This has resulted in the requirement in Fort Smith to charge user fees to children. As well, I understand in Hay River. I would like the Minister to explain, if he could, in as simple straightforward and understandable a language as possible, the rationale behind this particular decision and the funding situation which resulted in this draconian measure. Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have tried to explain many times the change to the formula. Obviously I have not been succinct enough. I will try again today. Mr. Speaker, I think it is important for all Members to understand that boards or Divisional Education Councils are block funded by this government. The councils are one of the early examples this government has of success in community empowerment at the regional level. The department does use a formula to allocate funds to councils to ensure equity.

After that allocation is decided by the department, the councils do not have to follow the allocation as it is set up. Councils are free to allocate funds in a manner they see as best filling the needs of the population they serve. For instance, Mr. Speaker, that means that a council could choose to decrease the support to bussing while increasing the pupil/teacher ratio. Or they could choose to decrease support to fine arts or to special needs students.

It is totally at the council's discretion how they spend the money that we provide them, as long as they are following the guidelines and policies of the government. It became obvious in about 1989, there needed to be some examination of criteria for allocating funds to councils, and in 1996, after a considerable amount of discussion, there was a rebasing of the formula.

All of the directors from all of the councils were involved in discussions and, after changing the formulas around, the resulting amount of money that would have been going to the South Slave Divisional Education Council would have actually increased from the previous year. They would have had a net benefit in total dollars going to them over the previous year. But because of our deficit elimination strategy, all of the councils got cut by the same percentage to achieve the deficit elimination targets that were set by this Legislature.

The resulting decrease in funds should not be highlighted as being allocated particularly to bussing. The decrease in funds to all of the councils was tied to the budget of this territory. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister explain why larger communities like Fort Smith that are tax based where people pay education taxes and municipal taxes in addition to all their other taxes, seem to be the ones that now have to bear the burden for user fees for bus services because they do not want to sacrifice quality of education in the program areas? Does that seem to be equitable? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I cannot answer the Member's direct question. As I said, the councils make the choice as to where they allocate the reductions that this government has had to pass on to them. I can say that the formula is believed to be equitable by the department, and it was agreed to by the directors who were present when the formula was being reworked. It includes such things as a fixed dollar amount for full time equivalent student, weighting for average school enrolments, living cost differential, and, Mr.

Speaker, it also includes a distance factor based on school student populations and how far away they live from schools. The formula is equitable across the territories because the same criteria are applied in all communities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister indicate the process in which this formula that has been developed and agreed to, however reluctantly, is monitored and possibly revised as it is implemented and the impacts are felt in case there is a need for readjustment? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In most cases where a council feels that there is something that is not taken into account in the formula, they can approach the department and ask that it be reviewed. In fact, South Slave did approach the department last spring and argued that the distance factors had not been accurately calculated for their council. Those numbers were looked at and it did make a difference to the formula, although not enough to make the council completely happy with the amount of money. There was some additional funding that was made available. Thank you, Mr. Speaker

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Given the amount of money that students are paying on an individual basis, is there the opportunity to come back to the department to look for funds to offset the impact on individuals and families in our communities? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. All of the funds that the department has available for supporting schools are distributed to the councils. There is no money left at headquarters that is available to supplement those dollars that are currently distributed. So the answer is no. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1379

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question today is for the Minister of Health and Social Services . As I mentioned in my Member's statement today, there are currently five speech language pathologists residing in Yellowknife and one in Inuvik. At first glance this would appear to be a rather inequitable distribution of this service in the Northwest Territories. I was wondering if the Minister could respond to that inequity and tell us why these individuals are not spread out more evenly for the delivery of services to the various regions.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I cannot answer that. I do not know why they would be all centralized. With the Stanton Regional Board as it stands now, I will commit to taking a look at the rationale for that, where their service areas are, the days of service and get back to the Member. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In a proposal from the Hay River Community Health Board for services in our community, in response to that, the Minister gave a similar explanation as Mr. Dent just provided on bussing, in that the community health board receives block funding and if they require those services, they would have to achieve that out of the existing funding. I am curious as to how the five positions in Yellowknife are funded. Are they funded specifically to provide services to regions? What portion of that funding provided to the Yellowknife pathologist would actually be determined for the South Slave region?

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As indicated, I do not know what the rationale or why it is that there are five positions with the Stanton Regional Board. As I indicated, I will find out more information on that particular issue and advise the Member accordingly. Thank you.

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Question 567-13(4): Resources Dedicated To Inclusive Schooling

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1379

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , the Honourable Charles Dent . Under the Education Act, schools are dictated to follow an inclusive education system for all students. Would the Minister please indicate what resources and funding his department provides to schools to assist in students with special needs? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the department provides more than $10 million a year in resources for councils across the territories in support of inclusive schooling. In addition, there is support for professional development for teachers and assistance in adaptive teaching strategies to help teachers understand how to best work with students who have special needs in classrooms. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Has the Minister, through his department, received any concerns from schools and parents in particular that the resources that are provided are sufficient to provide the services for the Northwest Territories? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there has always been a concern about the level of support for inclusive schooling. And in fact, throughout the budget reduction exercises, that is the only area in our formula which has increased every year, in spite of the budget reductions.

We see the need to support inclusive schooling as being one of the priorities of the department and because of that, we have managed within the formula for schools to increase the amount of money that goes to inclusive schooling each year. Yes, we have heard concerns raised by councils that the need for resources is growing quite significantly.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank the Minister for that. If I heard the Minster correctly, he is telling me that the school boards have communicated to him that in fact they do need more resources, and over the years the amount that he has provided to school districts has increased.

In light of the request from school boards that more resources are required and there is a sufficient amount of monies being provided to follow-up and provide the requirements that are called for in the Act for all students, what is his department doing about this shortage? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think I indicated in my previous answer what we are doing. We are increasing the proportion of the formula that applies to inclusive schooling and have done so every year. If the Member is asking me to magically produce more money, I cannot do that. The amount of money that comes to the department has been set by the Legislature and the allocation is such that we think the balance is the best we can make it right now.

As the Member will realize from the previous questions I answered, we are being pressured by councils to increase funding, to decrease the pupil/teacher ratio and to increase the support for bussing. The councils are telling us they need greater support in all areas and not just in special needs. What we have done is recognize that special needs students require greater support, and therefore, have moved money into that field. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Henry .

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister has advised us that he does not have any additional funds. He also tells us that the school boards are telling him that they need more resources. The Minister provides direction to school boards through the Act on what is required and what is needed, as far as education for students.

Would the Minister consider changing some portions of the Act if he does not have the money to dictate that parts of the Act have to be followed? Would he consider changing some parts of the Act to the level of funding that he has? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am tempted to just say no and leave it at that. However, I will say I think the approach was the proper approach and that within the monies available, our teachers and our councils are delivering services and dealing with the situation in the classroom far better than if we were to say they did not have to achieve a certain level of service. I think the children of the north deserve the level of service that is mandated in the Act, that all councils and the department have to work together to try and ensure that can be achieved. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 568-13(4): Regulations For Health Equipment

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1380

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister responsible for Health and Social Services . Mr. Speaker, unfortunately, in my home community of Arviat this week, 10 year old Armand Kaviok died as a result of injuries after falling from his bicycle.

Mr. Speaker, my question to the Minister is, if ultrasound equipment was available in the health centre, is it possible that the seriousness of the injuries this boy suffered could have been diagnosed and possibly a life could have been saved? Can the Minister advise me as to whether there are any regulations in place that are legislated to ensure these types of equipment should be installed, or should be in place, in health centres across the north? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am not sure if there is anything legislated that has to be supplied in respect to equipment in health centres. It is an unfortunate incident that the honourable Member refers to. Quite frankly, I do not think the availability of certain types of equipment would have changed the circumstances of the situation, not knowing the full details of the particular accident the honourable Member speaks of. Thank you.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, is the Minister stating there are no regulations that are legislated, or he is not sure? Thank you.

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Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am not certain if there are regulations or legislative requirements in respect to minimal or mandatory equipment to be provided. I will check into the matter and see if that is the case and advise the Member. Thank you.

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Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Picco

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Question 569-13(4): Tax Break For Low-income Residents

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1381

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Minister of Finance has spoken about tax regimes. I would like to ask the Minister, will he look at implementing a territorial tax break for single parents and low income families? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

My honourable colleague actually raised this issue with me earlier in the year with respect to the possibility of looking at a tax break for low income single parent families. We are looking at that right now. I cannot commit today as to whether we would put it into the January budget, but we are certainly taking a serious look at it, recognizing that on the low end income side, families are hurting and suffering out there. There may be a way to put something in place that would assist them, as has been done in other jurisdictions like BC. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Mr. Ootes .

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Question 570-13(4): Aurora Investment Fund Status

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1381

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Premier , regarding the Aurora Fund. One year ago, the Cabinet approved this fund, and it came into being approved by the federal government one year ago. The object was to raise $30 million dollars for this fund. I understand that the Premier made a trip to the Orient to raise and promote this fund and that he was fairly successful in this. Perhaps he could tell us today how much is in the so-called bank in this fund? Not what is committed, just what is in the bank todate? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Premier .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will request Mr. Todd to answer that question. He is in charge of the Aurora Fund.

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Samuel Gargan

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think it is important to understand how the Aurora Fund is set up. It is not set up as a bank. It is set up as system where immigrants are prepared to invest money in the Canadian north. Based upon them meeting certain criteria and certain security checks, they then receive a passport into Canada, as is done in pretty well all jurisdictions across Canada from British Columbia to Quebec. As the potential new immigrants come into the system, the money comes into the system and goes into an escrow account.

We have a manager of the Aurora Fund who then reviews applications with the investment committee. As the money flows in, it then flows out with respect to the investments that may be on the books that the management investment committee have recommended. I do not know if that has answered the question of my colleague, but that is it.

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Samuel Gargan

Supplementary, Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On a point of order, the Minister did not answer my question. The question was, how much has been put in the bank? If I may get the extra question in, because I have a number of them. Thank you.

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Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Maybe I need a flip-chart and a magic marker. I am trying to explain to my colleague how it works. It does not work like a bank. The flow of money comes in, applications are received as it comes in, it goes out. It only

stays temporary in an escrow account. The investor wants to see his money invested so he gets a return on investment so then he can get his passport to reside in Canada. It is that simple.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Member does not have a point of order to receive further questions. You have three supplementaries. It is up to the Member to use those supplementaries to receive a response from the Ministers. This is your third supplementary, Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, was that not my second supplementary?

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Samuel Gargan

I am sorry, Mr. Ootes . On your point of order, you did ask a second question. This is your third supplementary. Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I understand the government was trying to raise a total of $30 million for this fund and that commitments were made because of certain efforts that Ministers of the government had put into it. I wonder if the Minister could tell us how much has actually been received of those commitments? Thank you.

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