Debates of June 2nd, 2008

This is page numbers 757 to 798 of the Hansard for the 16th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was housing .

Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

Point of Privilege

Minister’s Statement 44-16(2) Western Premiers’ Conference, 2008

Minister’s Statement 45-16(2) Commitment To Tourism — Tourism Week 2008

Minister’s Statement 46-16(2) Disability Awareness Week — June 1 To 7, 2008

Minister’s Statement 47-16(2) Arctic Gateway And Trade Corridor

Construction And Housing Repairs In Nahendeh

Programming At North Slave Correctional Centre

Influence Of Southern Agencies On Northern Development Issues

World Wildlife Fund Call For Sustainable Development Practices

Public Debate Of Transportation Safety Issues

Performance Bonuses For Senior GNWT Managers

NWT Association Of Communities Budget Process

High Occurrence And Costs Foster Care System

Professional Incorporation Of Northern Doctors

Income Threshold For Public Housing Applicants

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Question 227-16(2) Public Debate On Transportation Safety Issues

Question 228-16(2) High Occurrence And Costs Of Foster Care

Question 229-16(2) Status Of Professionals Corporate Legislation

Question 230–16(2) Income Threshold For Public Housing Applicants

Question 231-16(2) World Wildlife Fund Call For Sustainable Development Practices

Question 232-16(2) Housing Repair And Construction Delays In Nahendeh

NWT Association Of Communities Budget Concerns

Question 234-16(2) Environment Plans That Accompany Resource Exploration

Question 235-16(2) Performance Bonuses For Senior GNWT Managers

Question 236-16(2) Future Of Somba K’e Healing Lodge

Question 237-16(2) Programming At North Slave Correctional Centre

Question 238-16(2) Conduct Of Ministers During House Proceedings

Question 239-16(2) Alternative Energy Initiatives Addressed At Western Premiers’conference

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery (Reversion)

Question 16-16(2) GNWT Senior Management Performance Bonuses

Petition 7-16(2) Cutbacks To Public Services In Fort Simpson

Petition 8-16(2) Fort Simpson Airport Maintenance Services

Motion 10-16(2) Setting Of Sitting Hours By Speaker (Motion Carried)

Motion 11-16(2) National Housing Strategy (Motion Carried)

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Northwest Territories Housing Corporation

Report of Committee of the Whole

Orders of the Day

The House met at 1:30 p.m.

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Prayer

Prayer

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Good afternoon, colleagues. Welcome back to the Chamber. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Prayer

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to raise a point of privilege.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The Member for Hay River South has risen on a point of privilege. What is your point of privilege, Mrs. Groenewegen ?

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Point of Privilege

Point of Privilege

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last Friday your Committee of the Whole considered a motion to delete funding from the Department of Justice for planning towards the renovation of the Territorial Women’s Correctional Centre in Fort Smith. In a very unusual step a Minister other than the Minister responsible for the department whose estimates were before the committee spoke to the motion. Mr.

Miltenberger is the Member for

Thebacha, which includes the community of Fort Smith.

In speaking to the motion, the Member made the following remarks, and I quote from the unedited Hansard of May 30, 2008: “And as we keep open minds to look at all the options, one of the options that hadn’t been considered is we’re talking about repatriating a bunch of adults into a supportive living structure that has yet to be built. Has that been considered as a possibility for Arctic Tern? I don’t know. But clearly it’s a circumstance that strikes me as interesting and somewhat ironic.”

Mr. Speaker, under

section 2 of our rules the privileges enjoyed by all Members and the House as a collective are defined. One of the fundamental privileges that each of us as Members enjoys is freedom from obstruction and intimidation in relation to our duties as elected representatives.

Mr. Speaker, the comments made by the Member for Thebacha last Friday are a great cause of concern for me and should be cause for concern for all Members. While it is very unusual for a Minister to speak in favour of a project in his or her riding, it is a mystery to me why the Minister would make reference to a completely unrelated project in this debate. The adult supportive living facility referenced by the Member is a project that has already been approved by this House and has no relation to the project in Fort Smith.

I am concerned that residents of Hay River listening to the debate now may be wondering whether the supportive living facility is now in question because their MLA dared to speak against a project in a Minister’s riding based on the merits of that project at this particular time.

We cannot do business this way. As 19 Members in this consensus system of government we owe it to the people of the Northwest Territories to carry out our debates with integrity. We adopted a code of conduct at the outset of this Assembly. This included a vow to do our utmost to distribute resources fairly and justly. How are we to do this if we cannot question the allocation of those resources if some resources are off limits because they are in a Minister’s constituency?

We have an obligation as Regular Members to hold the government to account. We need to be able to weigh the proposed spending of public dollars and infrastructure projects on their merits. This involves asking questions and sometimes voting against the government proposals if they do not bear up against that scrutiny. This is our responsibility and our duty.

I believe the Member for Thebacha ’s comments were made to intimidate me as I attempted to carry out my duty and my right as a Member to vote the way I wished on this potentially contentious motion. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Point of Privilege

Point of Privilege

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs.

Groenewegen.

Before I rule on your point of privilege, I’m going to allow some debate on the point of privilege. To the point of privilege, the honourable Member for Thebacha , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Point of Privilege

Point of Privilege

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you,

Mr. Speaker. I, too, have reviewed Hansard. I’ve also reviewed Hansard from last February 18, when we were in Committee of the Whole. The Member for Hay River South called me on a point of order when I was speaking, stating — if I could quote from page 387 of Hansard: “I have a point of order. Is Mr. Miltenberger speaking to this as a Minister of the Cabinet, or he is speaking to this as the MLA for Thebacha?” The chair at the time, Mr. Krutko , said, “ Mrs. Groenewegen , you do not have a point of order, since you didn’t specifically state your order.

But to be fair to all Members, this motion is before the House, and every Member has the right to speak to the motion. To be fair to everyone, everyone has had the right to speak.”

When you look at the Hansard from Friday, clearly there’s a context here. The Social Programs Committee had come forward with a motion, in fact a number of motions. They had spoken about Arctic Tern. They spoke about the need to look at all options. They asked the Minister what plans were there for Arctic Tern. They made comments about thinking outside the box.

My one comment on that issue was that there’s an option that hasn’t been considered that I think is fully valid, and in fact, other Members, when it was discussed with them, agreed that it should be worth at least looking at.

In the course of the debate, which is the place to bring this issue to the floor, I raised that comment and I raised that option. It was done within the context of the broad debate. It was no threat. It was stated very calmly, quietly, briefly as something that should be considered.

The irony, if you look at the whole text of my comments, speaks not to that but to the other issue of the comments and concerns I had about this issue being brought forward by a Member for Yellowknife. So while I respect the Member’s right to stand up and raise those issues, very clearly I do not agree that there’s a point of privilege. It’s part of the debate, and I believe it was entirely within keeping within the context of that debate.

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Point of Privilege

Point of Privilege

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . To the point of privilege?

Members, the Speaker’s role when a point of privilege has been raised is to determine whether the matter was raised at its earliest convenience, earliest possible opportunity, and to decide whether a prima facie breach of privilege has occurred.

As the events that are brought out under the point of privilege happened during Committee of the Whole, I will take the point of privilege under advisement and come back to the Members at a later date with a ruling. Thank you, Members.

Orders of the Day. Item 2, Ministers’ statements. The Hon. Premier , Mr. Roland .

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Minister’s Statement 44-16(2) Western Premiers’ Conference, 2008

Ministers’ Statements

Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On May 28, 29 and 30 I attended the 2008 Western Premiers’ Conference in Prince Albert Saskatchewan. As I stated in my Budget Address, I intended to focus my attention on delivering the message of our territory and our people to those that need to hear it. The Northwest Territories had the full attention of western Premiers and succeeded in getting their support for issues important to us.

The Premiers from British Columbia, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Nunavut and the NWT, along with the Deputy Premier from the Yukon, talked about the strength of the western economy, our collective accomplishments and our shared sense of optimism for the future. Over the last few years we have witnessed tremendous economic growth in the west, a region quickly becoming the economic engine of this country. The North is clearly part of the new west with little doubt that the economic development of the Northwest Territories is important to the west and ultimately to Canada’s future.

There is a genuine interest by all western Premiers to lend their support to do their part to make sure that the territories are part of the unprecedented growth of the western economy. My fellow Premiers joined me in my call to the federal government to provide strategic federal infrastructure investments for the North. I reminded Premiers that this country has a long history of making large investments in infrastructure in support of a broader national vision, and it is only fitting to articulate that support in the hometown of John Diefenbaker, who had plans to open up the North for development through the construction of basin opening infrastructure.

At the meeting all western Premiers also expressed strong support for Jordan’s Principle — the principle that jurisdictions should not get in the way of providing health or other services to aboriginal children in need, no matter where they live. Premiers are committed to do their part and look to the federal government to do theirs. In fact, the example of the NWT was cited, where the cumulative shortfall for health care funding provided for services to aboriginal people on behalf of the federal government is equivalent to one-third of our annual health budget.

Premiers agreed that this is unacceptable and called on the federal government to meet these responsibilities for health care services. To show their continued commitment to advancing aboriginal interests, Premiers also joined

leaders on the National Day of Action and participated in their efforts to raise awareness of the issues affecting aboriginal people across this country.

Mr. Speaker, during our discussions Premiers also discussed the need to consider alternative energy sources to reduce the dependency on diesel as a fuel source for communities in the North. Premiers were receptive to our message about the great work that is being done in our territory to develop our rich hydro potential and to be a leader in the area of wind technology. In considering clean alternative energy, there is widespread recognition that we are sitting on huge resource potential that will eventually be tapped through the development of the Mackenzie Gas pipeline.

Overall, Mr. Speaker, this was a very successful meeting in advancing the priorities of the GNWT with our western counterparts. Investment in infrastructure, seeking health funding from Ottawa and development of new energy resources are just a few of the important priorities that all Premiers supported at this year’s Western Premiers’ Conference. Building and maintaining strong partnerships with our provincial and territorial neighbours is a key component to achieving the goals of this Assembly.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister’s Statement 44-16(2) Western Premiers’ Conference, 2008

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Ministers’ statements, the honourable Minister responsible for Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr.

Bob

McLeod.

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Minister’s Statement 45-16(2) Commitment To Tourism — Tourism Week 2008

Ministers’ Statements

Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, today is the first day of Tourism Week in Canada. It is a chance for us to highlight the tremendous importance of this sector to our national and local economies and to our lives as Canadians.

In the Northwest Territories tourism is a $113 million a year industry. More importantly, it is an area of investment that offers many spin-off benefits and has the potential to establish and grow viable and sustainable ventures in almost every one of our region’s 33 communities.

As a government we are acutely aware of the importance and significance of our tourism industry and the economic opportunities that it offers, particularly at the local level. Our Tourism 2010 Plan and the $15 million it represents in direct and leveraged investment is designed to capitalize on this potential and is one of the most significant commitments that has ever been made for tourism in the Northwest Territories.

The new Tourism Product Diversification and Marketing Program is a good example of Tourism 2010 in action. It is providing our industry and its operators with the insight and means to reinvent or expand their products and operations to meet the trends and demands that we anticipate will provide growth for our tourism industry in the future.

Meanwhile, the LookUp North campaign, sponsored last year by the NWT, Yukon and Nunavut governments, heightened the profile of Canada’s North to a new level and resulted in a significant increase in visitor traffic to the NWT last summer.

These tourism-based initiatives and others are the tools with which we are working to balance and increase the diversity of the Northwest Territories’ economy, maximizing opportunities and contributing to an improvement in the quality of life for all NWT residents.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to take the time today to recognize the board, staff and members of Northwest Territories Tourism, NWTT, who in their role as our destination marketing organization are an important and valued partner in our efforts on behalf of the tourism sector. In particular, I would like to offer best wishes on behalf of this Assembly to David Grindlay, whose guidance and vision have allowed the NWTT to significantly advance its role and resources in the last seven years and who will be leaving his position as executive director this summer.

Finally, Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize and salute the men and women who work in our valued tourism sector, individuals at every level whose service and reputation are building our industry and who are the face of our tourism industry to the world.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Ministers’ statements. The honourable Minister responsible for Persons with Disabilities , Ms. Lee .

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Minister’s Statement 46-16(2) Disability Awareness Week — June 1 To 7, 2008

Ministers’ Statements

Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr.

Speaker.

Disability Awareness Week is from June 1 to 7, 2008. This year’s theme is Disability Is Not a Choice…Your Attitude Is.

One of the priorities for the 16th Legislative

Assembly is to improve support for children and adults with special needs and disabilities. The week is an opportunity for us all to recognize the contributions that persons with disabilities make in our communities and to consider how persons with disabilities can contribute or participate in the

social, recreational and educational lives of communities across the Northwest Territories.

The July 2000 report Living with Disability… Living with Dignity told us that approximately 13 per cent of the population of the NWT has a disability and that many of these individuals have multiple disabilities. For many years the Government of the Northwest Territories has worked closely with the NWT Council of Persons with Disabilities, the Yellowknife Association for Community Living and the YWCA through the Disability Steering Committee Partnership to consider how we can best meet the needs of persons with disabilities in the NWT. This collaborative work has led to the completion of many of the actions in the 2004 NWT Action Plan for Persons with Disabilities and has been invaluable.

One of the greatest needs for persons with disabilities is the need for supported living options. For many years the GNWT has had to send many persons with disabilities to live in the south due to the limited housing options in the North. The Hay River Territorial Supported Living Initiative as a part of the Strategic Initiative Committee on Building Our Futures will enable us to offer additional supported living services to residents of the NWT. The cost of the facility operation will be offset by repatriating clients currently in the south.

This initiative fulfills one of the action items in the NWT Action Plan for Persons with Disabilities, in which the GNWT committed to develop additional supported living options for persons with disabilities.

Mr. Speaker, I’d like to highlight the work of the staff of the NWT Council of Persons with Disabilities and their local committees across the NWT. The council has been an active and consistent advocacy group working on behalf of persons with disabilities for many years.

With support from the Department of Health and Social Services the council has been able to initiate such programs as the Disability Information Line, the successful Parking Placard Program and community outreach programs. With the support of the Department of Education, Culture and Employment and the Yellowknife Health and Social Services Authority the council operates the successful Early Childhood Intervention Program.

The executive director for the council, Ms. Cecily Hewitt, will soon be leaving her position with the council. Ms. Hewitt has been very dedicated to the work of the council and of bettering the lives of those with disabilities. I would like to personally thank her and wish her luck with her future endeavours.

There are many other vital organizations dedicated to working on behalf of persons with disabilities in the NWT. I would like to acknowledge the work of

the Canadian National Institute for the Blind, the Canadian Hard of Hearing Association, the Canadian Mental Health Association, the Yellowknife Association for Community Living, the YWCA, the Autism Society, People First, the NWT Literacy Council and the Learning Disabilities Association. These organizations make a difference in the everyday lives of persons with disabilities and have a long-term commitment to enhancing the future quality of life of all persons with disabilities.

I encourage everyone to watch for activities that highlight Disability Awareness Week in their communities. We honour and thank persons with disabilities throughout the NWT for their contributions and strength that they provide to our friends, families and communities.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister’s Statement 46-16(2) Disability Awareness Week — June 1 To 7, 2008

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable Minister of Transportation , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Minister’s Statement 47-16(2) Arctic Gateway And Trade Corridor

Ministers’ Statements

Sahtu

Norman Yakeleya

Minister of Transportation

Mahsi, Mr.

Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I am encouraged by the interest in the Arctic gateway that I've recently heard about from various leaders and my counterparts in other jurisdictions.

I am pleased to report that on April 8, 2008, at the Council of Ministers Responsible for Transportation and Highway Safety meeting in Gatineau, Quebec, the federal Transportation Minister committed his department to undertake a feasibility study on the Arctic gateway and trade corridor. This study is expected to commence later this year.

I am also pleased with the support we received from the Arctic gateway at the recent Western Canada Transportation Ministers meeting in Victoria, B.C. The federal government recently released the National Policy Framework for Strategic Gateways and Corridors. This framework defines the elements of a national strategic gateway and guides federal investment. Factors such as economic efficiency and competitiveness, sovereignty and security and environmental sustainability are considered within this framework.

I would like to provide Members with an update on the proposed NWT Arctic gateway and trade corridor through the Mackenzie Valley. This NWT gateway has the potential to re-arrange logistics for major resource developments in western Canada and in the North. The centrepiece of this gateway is the Over the Top marine shipping route.

An Arctic gateway and trade corridor through the Mackenzie Valley will provide efficiencies and

savings. The shortened distance from Asia and Europe would reduce current weight and dimension restrictions now experienced on delivery routes from either Atlantic or Pacific gateways. An Arctic gateway also provides the advantage of relieving congestion for the southern ports, highways and rail links.

The importance of developing an Arctic gateway will continue to expand due to the rise in the demand for imported goods and exports from Canadian commodities, climate change and technology advancement.

Over the past year the Department of Transportation completed an initial assessment study of the route, held meetings and information sessions on the route with proponents, oil sands stakeholders, various regulators, interested territorial, provincial and federal departments, including Transport Canada, and Alberta Infrastructure and Transportation. This work has helped generate national interest in the concept of an NWT Arctic gateway and trade corridor.

Industry has also been busy promoting the NWT Arctic gateway concept. Recently Arctic Module Inland Transportation Ltd., or AMIT, was established, a new joint venture between the Inuvialuit corporation, NTCL and Mammoet Canada, to focus on planning, testing and promoting the Over the Top marine shipping route. In March of this year AMIT started an engineering study for a major resource developer. This study will look into logistical aspects of this long-used historical route, as well as technology, vessel and regulatory requirements.

AMIT will also be investigating an option that involves shipping modules up the Mackenzie River through the port of Hay River and via surface transportation to sites in Alberta and Saskatchewan. It should also be noted that NTCL completed a successful run of the Over the Top route in 2006 and is also proposing to test a barge delivery via Lake Athabasca to a site in Saskatchewan later this summer. These activities speak to the high level of interest and support for this transportation route.

The Department of Transportation view an Over the Top marine shipping route as an opportunity to promote additional economic opportunity in the Northwest Territories and to further assert Canada's sovereignty over the North. An Over the Top marine shipping route could improve the sustainability of our current marine transportation industry and further develop the communities of Tuktoyaktuk, Hay River and Fort Smith as significant marine service centres.

As the Over the Top route gains momentum, opportunities for development of the Mackenzie Valley all-weather highway also increases. Together, the Mackenzie Valley Highway and the

Over the Top marine shipping route have the potential to become a major national strategic gateway.

In conclusion, I look forward to continuing to work with my colleagues, AMIT and other proponents of an Arctic gateway and Over the Top marine shipping route. This work is a good example of how industry and government can partner to improve our transportation system.

Advancing the NWT Arctic gateway and trade corridor is both in the national and Northwest Territories' interest. An Arctic gateway and trade corridor should provide long-lasting benefits to the residents and businesses and communities of the Northwest Territories.

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister’s Statement 47-16(2) Arctic Gateway And Trade Corridor

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Before we go on, colleagues, I would like to draw your attention to the presence in the visitors’ gallery of His Excellency Jose Brilliante, Philippine Ambassador to Canada. Accompanying him are Joseph Angeles, Minister and Consul General, and Miss Rhenita Rodriguez, Consul. Welcome to Yellowknife. Welcome to the Legislative Assembly.

Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Construction And Housing Repairs In Nahendeh

Members’ Statements

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Mr. Speaker, I want to speak to you today about the serious delays in housing repairs and construction programs undertaken by the NWT Housing Corporation in the communities in my riding.

A number of houses are in serious need of repair, and there are many units that have not even been constructed yet. I have heard over and over again from my constituents that timelines to repairs and construction are not met. This can cause a great deal of disruption to clients.

When major repairs are needed, people are required to either move into a vacant house or move in with family and friends who often are already living in overcrowded conditions.

In one case an elderly couple in my riding has been waiting for over a year to move back into their house. This situation creates a vicious circle. The longer the delay, the less housing is available as people are moved into temporary units while they wait for these repairs or for new construction to be completed.

Timely repairs and construction schedules lead to fewer costs down the road. I call on the NWT Housing Corporation to work with the local housing organizations to review a commitment to tenants and clients, and to improve its repair and maintenance program.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Construction And Housing Repairs In Nahendeh

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Menicoche.

Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Programming At North Slave Correctional Centre

Members’ Statements

David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to speak about programming at North Slave Correctional Centre. I believe that it is inconceivable that the Department of Justice would look to programming as a way and a means to appease the government’s reduction exercise.

The Northwest Territories has four times the national average in the areas of sexual assault and incidents of family violence. It is hard for me to comprehend why we would look to reduce program delivery officers at our largest correctional facility. It makes absolutely no sense. The government’s own strategic goals talk of safe communities and strengthening treatment of addictions and mental health. The actions proposed by the Department of Justice fly directly in the face of both of these goals.

I just do not feel comfortable without the adequate resources available at North Slave Correctional Centre to ensure that those inmates who require treatment and programming get that service in a timely, coordinated and professional manner. We can’t slough off the delivery of family violence and sex offender programs to other personnel. It took nearly three years to recruit a psychologist to the centre, and the caseworkers are busy with other duties. The affected positions are entitled “program delivery officers,” because that is their role and that is their function, not someone else’s.

The safety of our community is at stake, Mr. Speaker. I don’t want to see us shortchange our community’s safety by offering programming on a substandard basis. The department has also collapsed the deputy warden of programs position, which is also very, very unsettling. Those duties are now in the hands of a sentence administrator, who obviously would not be an expert on the programming that would be required at the centre. The department has chosen to take these measures, and I am left wondering what is next — the teachers at the centre or perhaps even the chaplain?

Again, this is a classic case of reductions that are just not well thought out. Certainly the safety of our families and our communities should

have gotten a higher billing from this government than it obviously has.

Mahsi.

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Programming At North Slave Correctional Centre

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. McLeod.

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Influence Of Southern Agencies On Northern Development Issues

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. For too many years the people of the NWT have had little say into the decisions affecting our territory, decisions that were made on exploration rights, land issues, traditional territory issues, royalty sharing agreements — too many decisions that are made for us by Ottawa. Everybody seems to have an opinion as to what is in our best interests. We have seen too many examples of people outside the NWT telling us what is best for us.

The most recent example, Mr. Speaker, is the World Wildlife Fund call to postpone the sale of oil and gas exploration rights until an environmental plan is done for the region. Do they think that we have no idea what we are doing up here and need someone to tell us that we need a plan? This has been going on for too long. Do they actually believe that we would let exploration happen without concerns for the environment? We do appreciate people’s concerns, but we are not going to just stand by and watch our land being pillaged for the sake of a few barrels of oil.

I continue to be frustrated by groups outside of the NWT using our issues up here to advance their own agendas. I think this government, along with working with the aboriginal governments, knows and can decide what is best for us. For too long we have had decisions made for us that are supposed to be in our best interests, and I think we know what is in our best interest. There must come a time when we have to say that enough is enough and take the future of the NWT into our own hands. I believe we do have the capabilities of making our own decisions.

Mr. Speaker, Ottawa is always using our resources as a piggy bank, thinking we owe them something. The time has come. We have to put a stop to that. When the resources and the money they generate run out, then Ottawa will say, “Okay; decide for yourselves” and they will give us that power. We must not continue to watch our wealth leave the NWT. We can’t always allow outsiders to stick their nose into our business and decide what is best for us and the NWT. We are quite capable of sticking our own noses in there. We have to take a hard line and protect the NWT and our grandchildren’s future. I think we do have the capabilities up here. I

think it’s time that this government, along with the aboriginal governments in the Northwest Territories, decides to unite and let Ottawa know that we’re not going to be putting up with this anymore.

Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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World Wildlife Fund Call For Sustainable Development Practices

Members’ Statements

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr.

Speaker. World

Wildlife Fund of Canada, a long-term northern conservation partner, has been attacked by Inuvialuit leaders and, most disturbingly, by our own Premier . The attacks are based on false premises and completely ignore the point — a valid point, I might add. World Wildlife Fund of Canada has called for a postponement of the lease sale in the Beaufort until a comprehensive measurement plan is available for the region and the capability is in place to quickly clean up oil spills.

Mr. Speaker, planning is as yet unfinished in the conservation of the Beaufort. In fact, the World Wildlife Fund is a partner with Fisheries and Oceans Canada and the Inuvialuit Game commission. They’ve all agreed that it’s unfinished and need to take those things into consideration.

Secondly, an Arctic Council report has just been published that confirms that we do not yet have the capability to clean up oil spills, and I’d like to give you a quote from that: “Oil spills under ice or in ice-covered waters are the most challenging, simply because they cannot be contained or recovered effectively with current technology.” This is a report out last month from the Arctic Council, of which we are a member.

Federal Minister Lunn has also made a comment, saying, “We are a long way from resources development, but we need to make sure no project proceeds unless the proper protections are in place.” Clearly, there’s mutual agreement on that.

Finally, the Canadian public has said the same thing. Over 55 per cent have said that environmental concerns are the number one priority for Canadians, and in fact, only 7 per cent of Canadians say that economic development is a top priority in the Arctic.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to make clear to everyone that many, many people in the Northwest Territories, in the Beaufort-Delta as well as in the Deh Cho and the Tlicho and in Yellowknife — in fact, in all regions — support sustainable development. The World Wildlife Fund is talking about sustainable development.

Sustainable development means that any economic development must incorporate an effective response to environmental and social concerns — not a new statement for me here today. I’m frankly quite disappointed that our Premier is so quick to state his opposition to the perspective of the World Wildlife Fund.

I support the Inuvialuit and their strong interest in protecting their land. I support their land-use planning process. I support their social well-being initiatives. These are all components of sustainable development.

A fanatic focus on mega-development projects benefits some…

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Paul Delorey

Mr. Bromley , your time for your Member’s statement has expired.

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

…but certainly not all. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Public Debate Of Transportation Safety Issues

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to talk about a couple of transportation issues that have been on the horizon of that industry.

Across Canada there have been a number of concerns emerging that are under public discussion, which are all about cellphones and smoking while driving in vehicles with children present. The issue really is about the public debate and the fact that there needs to be a public debate on these types of issues for transportation here in the North.

I’ve had a number of constituents come forward through e-mail to talk to me about what our government is doing on these issues that have come on to the horizon of safety of our people, whether there’s the safety of children inside the car or, of course, there’s just the safety of other people driving along the road. Many supporters of cellphone usage, of course, say that drivers won’t be distracted. But other people say that there are a number of distractions on the road, so would that add to any better situation?

I’m not an expert in these areas, but I think it’s critical that we get out there and have these types of debates. Provinces like Nova Scotia moved forward and banned smoking with children present in vehicles. I think that’s an interesting and bold move, because they’re worried about the safety of those children. There are a number of provinces

who talk about things like enforcement and the difficulty of that.

When we look at these emerging transportation issues, you don’t need to be a rocket scientist to know that if you’re not distracted, you’ll probably be driving safer. And, of course, we all understand that smoking in cars is a concentrated focus, and affecting children is a very difficult thing that we don’t want to do.

The reason I raise this as a rising transportation issue is that the concern is out there, and at this moment I don’t see the Department of Transportation leading a discussion, and that’s really all I want.

Mr. Speaker, in closing, I want to add the fact that it’s on principle that we get out there and find out what the citizens need to know. It’s critical we find out what they want to hear, and I want to hear from them as well.

The fact is that public discussion is the principle and the basis of why I raise this issue today. I’ll have questions for the Minister of Transportation , to make sure we get out there, find the facts of these issues and find out if these types of things really work in the Northwest Territories and if would it make our roads safer and better.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Hawkins. The

honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Abernethy .

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Performance Bonuses For Senior GNWT Managers

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr.

Speaker. In

February I asked the Minister of Human Resources some specific questions on bonuses for deputy heads, senior managers and excluded employees of the GNWT.

At that time I was informed that approximately $1.65

million is paid out annually to these

employees. Further, approximately $550,000 is paid out annually to senior managers of the head staff of the NWT Power Corporation. This is around $2 million per year.

Given current fiscal realities, it’s definitely time to reconsider how this government awards bonuses to senior managers. Currently virtually every senior public official gets a bonus. It’s time for senior management to earn their fat bonuses. When bonuses are expected rather than earned, it breeds mediocrity. It even encourages senior managers to keep their mouths shut about problems, and it does not encourage thinking outside the box, which would have been really useful during the budget process that we’re currently going through.

We can’t afford to reward senior managers who happen to have technical skills, or are very gifted technically, but are lousy people-managers or run over their staff in order to get results.

Recently the federal government developed a more rigorous assessment process for their performance pay. With their new plan and process fewer than 20 per cent of their senior executives will receive bonuses. Under the federal program senior managers are assessed based on performance targets and a 360-degree review, which includes input from fellow senior managers, colleagues, ministers and others.

Implementing a process similar to the federal government’s will ensure that when bonuses are earned, they will be paid, and when they aren’t earned, they won’t be paid. This ensures that we can remain competitive with the private sector by providing our high-quality performers with financial incentives, which encourage their continued commitment to the GNWT, as opposed to jumping ship and seeking employment with the private sector.

It’s time to review how bonuses are paid. It’s time to ensure that staff are rewarded for outstanding performance — performance that is above and beyond expectations — for thinking outside the box, for streamlining government through increased efficiencies or better use of resources rather than cutting jobs, which is the easiest solution.

Mr. Speaker, at the appropriate time I’ll be asking the Premier some questions concerning bonuses in the GNWT.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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NWT Association Of Communities Budget Process

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Mr. Speaker, I’d like to give voice today to some concerns about the proposed budget that have been heard from our communities.

NWT communities are generally pleased with the budget, except for the process followed. Budget development lacked any public consultation and effectively handcuffed the communities’ own budget processes.

As a result, at the NWT Association of Communities’ annual general meeting, held in Simpson last month, the membership passed the following motion:

“Whereas the Government of the Northwest Territories…announced in January that it will cut approximately $135 million in expenditures; and

“Whereas it is unknown what impacts the cuts will have on public services.…

“Whereas no consultation has been undertaken by the GNWT, and no rigorous fiscal analysis providing justification for the proposed cuts has been made available to the public or community leaders, and given the negative impacts the cuts would cause to families and communities in the NWT.

“Therefore

be it resolved that the NWTAC immediately urge the territorial government to defer any decision on job cuts until the government’s analysis and rationale for the need for the cuts has been made available for public review and consultation.”

While the NWTAC is appreciative that core funding for communities will not be reduced — that it will remain at last year’s levels — they’re very concerned about core funding for future years. As the motion from the AGM states, NWT communities are concerned about the effect position cuts will have on our communities.

As well, communities have been adjusting to the GNWT’s New Deal for several years. Control of one’s own destiny and resources is great, but communities, especially small communities, lack the human resource capacity to take on these downloaded responsibilities.

To MACA’s credit they’ve been providing assistance to communities to help them over this hurdle as much as they can, but that assistance has been shrinking every year.

A particular concern of the NWTAC is the projected loss of the position of emergency planning coordinator. This position exists to assist communities in developing emergency plans and to work with communities after a disaster or an emergency has occurred.

The emergency planning coordinator is, at this time, still dealing with the aftermath of the Fort Good Hope flood in 2005 and the Aklavik flood in 2006, trying to get home repairs done for the impacted residents. Who will help our communities be adequately prepared for any and all emergencies when this position is gone?

Mr.

Speaker, I request unanimous consent to

conclude my statement.

Unanimous consent granted.

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and thank you, colleagues.

Who will help our communities be adequately prepared for any and all emergencies when this position is gone? Who will help our residents, following a flood or a forest fire, to access the

federal funding they are due when this position is gone?

In closing, our residents, our voters, through their elected local governments are telling us to delay this budget — that it lacks analysis, rationale and that the proper consultation was not done. Sounds kind of familiar, doesn’t it?

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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High Occurrence And Costs Foster Care System

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have heard a lot in regard to residential schools and the high number of children that were mentally and physically abused in residential schools.

The Auditor General of Canada reported on the high number of children on reserves that are in foster care and in permanent custody of the provincial government. Mr. Speaker, the Northwest Territories is no different. In 2002 in my constituency, there were 58 children in care in the three communities I represent. Compared to other jurisdictions in Canada and other groups in Canada, aboriginal people have the highest number of children in care.

This government is budgeting almost $11 million to deal with this matter in the Northwest Territories, which is a million dollar increase from last year.

In Fort McPherson alone — I checked in regard to government expenditures — they spend some $30,000 a month to deal with children in foster care, which is a cost of $360,000 a year.

We must move away from putting people and children in care, regardless of whether it is an institution or a home. What we have to do is remedy the situation by avoiding the situation that happened in the first place and working with families, children and the communities to find solutions on how to keep families together in their home communities and to be able to give those communities the tools they need to confront these problems.

One of the biggest drivers for children to be apprehended is alcohol abuse in the family. The communities have been looking at ways to deal with substance abuse in their communities by way of prohibition orders. By giving the communities the legal tools to take on these challenges and keep families together, keep communities together and, more importantly, to reinvest….

Mr.

Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to

conclude my statement.

Unanimous consent granted.

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High Occurrence And Costs Foster Care System

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, colleagues.

Mr. Speaker, the communities need to be able to reinvest the $360,000 that’s presently expended on children in foster care to those types of programs and services that reunite the communities, reunite our families and bring the communities together to work to find solutions to the problems of children being apprehended.

At the appropriate time I will be having questions for the Minister of Health and Social Services .

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Members’ statements, the honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Professional Incorporation Of Northern Doctors

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Mr. Speaker, as we are all aware, there are a number of issues which impact on our ability as a territory to attract and retain physicians for our communities. There is competition for doctors’ services both at the national and international levels. This means we have to be realistic in wages that we pay doctors and offer the same incentives and inducements that other jurisdictions provide.

For the most part we are competitive. We can promote the positive lifestyle and virtues of living in smaller communities all we want, but if doctors can easily make more money in another jurisdiction, we will lose them. This is what is happening right now because of the legislative gap, and it is impacting on our ability to attract and retain doctors to actually live in the North.

Because doctors can incorporate as a professional corporation in other Canadian jurisdictions, they are taxed at a lower rate and can make significantly more money. For example, if a doctor was professionally incorporated in British Columbia and making a good living, why would they take a pay cut to come to the Northwest Territories?

I’ve also heard that there are locums, which are doctors that we pay to fill in when there is a short-term need, that would consider moving north if there were the ability to professionally incorporate. Using locums to fill doctor positions is a costly way of meeting the health care needs of Northerners.

I understand that this inability to professionally incorporate also impacts other professions, like lawyers and accountants, and is actually

discouraging people from moving north and setting up practices.

Mr. Speaker, we need to move on this before we lose any more doctors. We need a legislative regime that encourages professionals to move or return north and put down their roots in our communities. We need a professional corporations act.

Later today I will have questions for the Minister of Justice about what we can do to respond to this need in a timely manner. This is something that has just this past week affected Hay River, and it is something of very critical importance.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Members’ statements, the honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Income Threshold For Public Housing Applicants

Members’ Statements

Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Today I would like to talk about a situation that puts single parents at a disadvantage when it comes to accessing public housing.

Many of our constituents are single parents with young children, who are trying their best to earn a living and provide for their children. Unfortunately, many of these single-income earners are struggling to make ends meet. Some have families and friends to assist them, but many rely solely on government assistance.

One such program is the social housing program at the NWT Housing Corporation. Under the current policies individuals can become eligible for housing assistance if they are within the Core Need Income Threshold.

The Core Need Income Threshold is a total of both assessable and non-assessable income used by Housing to determine eligibility for public housing units. The criteria which are used for determining an applicant’s Core Need Income Threshold do not fully take into consideration the costs associated with child care.

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Paul Delorey

You may continue with your statement, Mr. Beaulieu .

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Income Threshold For Public Housing Applicants

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr.

Speaker. Yes,

numerically they are factored in, but the nature of these costs is not. That is to say, child care expenses would be considered the same as a car payment.

Of course, costs like these represent two completely different circumstances with varying

degrees of need. As such, more often than not the applicant’s true discretionary income is not really captured, so a single parent’s eligibility many times falls just over the predetermined Core Need Income Threshold, and they become ineligible for public housing. This is happening all too often to single people who are making an effort to provide a better living for themselves and their children. I feel we need to do something immediately. We need to do an immediate review of the policy so that special circumstances associated with child care costs are properly factored in determining an accurate evaluation of an individual applicant.

Today I will have questions for the Minister Responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation . Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. From my spot I don’t know if they’re still up there, but I certainly would like to make recognition of Cecily Hewitt and Bill Burles, both constituents of mine. When I came in earlier, they were both in the gallery. I certainly hope they’re still there.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

I don’t know whether I’m his constituent or he’s mine, but I’d like to recognize Chief Stanley Sanguez.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Sandy Lee

Range Lake

I would like to recognize staff and board members from the Yellowknife Association of Community Living and the NWT Council of Persons with Disabilities. First of all, the executive director of YACL, Jane Whyte. Then the board members of the NWT Council of Persons with Disabilities: Judy Sharp; Bill Burles; Don Gillis with his wife, Ann Gillis; and the staff who I believe were here earlier, Corine Nitsiza, Beth Lenardon, Linda Noseworthy, Heather Clarke and the executive director of NWT Council of Persons with Disabilities, Cecily Hewitt.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Welcome to everyone in the gallery today. I hope you’re enjoying the proceedings.

Item 6, acknowledgements. Item 7, oral questions. The Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 227-16(2) Public Debate On Transportation Safety Issues

Oral Questions

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr.

Speaker. My

questions will be directed to the Minister of Transportation today.

In my Member’s statement I talked about good public discussion on issues such as using cellphones while driving and, of course, smoking in cars with children. As a package issue would the Minister be willing to get out there and see what Northerners want and what they’re willing to have as new, or potentially new, road-safety rules?

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Question 227-16(2) Public Debate On Transportation Safety Issues

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The honourable Minister of Transportation , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 227-16(2) Public Debate On Transportation Safety Issues

Oral Questions

Sahtu

Norman Yakeleya

Minister of Transportation

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My department is always very committed to the safety of the travelling public, and I’d be happy to listen to what the people of the Northwest Territories have to say about these two issues that the Member has raised.

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Question 227-16(2) Public Debate On Transportation Safety Issues

Oral Questions

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

I actually didn’t hear the answer. I was trying to listen very carefully. Would the Minister be willing to get out there and call for a public dialogue on these issues to make sure that we’re hearing the needs of our citizens out there and absolutely making sure we’re meeting the basic needs of our citizens?

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Sahtu

Norman Yakeleya

Minister of Transportation

Mr.

Speaker, I would

repeat that the department is monitoring the situation of cellphones that he raised and also the banning of smoking in vehicles while children are present in the vehicle. The department is monitoring the situation and monitoring the reviews that are happening across Canada. The department is interested in engaging in some discussions with the MLA and the public in terms of what emergent issues need to come forward in terms of continuing on and seeing what we can do with dealing with these two issues.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

I heard that very clearly this time around. Does the Minister have any suggestions as to how we’re going to get public feedback on this issue? I’m glad to hear the Ministry is….

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Paul Delorey

We’ve got a technical problem.

Continue with your question, Mr. Hawkins .

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and thank you, whomever.

Mr. Speaker, the issue really is: can the Minister tell me how he plans to get out there and get that

feedback? He did say his department is monitoring the situation, but how is he getting out there to get feedback from the general citizenship of the Northwest Territories?

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Sahtu

Norman Yakeleya

Minister of Transportation

Mr. Speaker, there are seven communities in the Northwest Territories that have cellphone coverage out of 34 communities, which are the larger centres. That’s 8,000 — in my estimate, from NorthwesTel — cellphone users in the Northwest Territories. We do not have this coverage all along our transportation infrastructure road system. We’re not at that level yet. So in that sense we are monitoring the situation. We certainly have to talk to these centres that do have cellphone coverage.

On the banning of smoking in vehicles with children in them, we understand that Nova Scotia and Yukon do have this ban. We have to, again, monitor the situation. There are lots of issues of this type that are talked about amongst the Ministers of Transportation. Alberta is into that type of discussion. When we are coming closer to the amendments of the Motor Vehicles Act, that will enhance some issues in terms of amendments to the act. I am following the issues with the department, and I’ll continue reporting to the Member as to how we’re doing with our progress.

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Paul Delorey

Final supplementary, Mr. Hawkins .

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr.

Speaker. My

position is quite simple. I’d rather not be in the back seat riding along with this issue. I’d rather be in the driver’s seat on this issue.

The Minister did mention some potential amendments. All I’m calling for is some public discussion, maybe an ad in the paper or on the radio saying that we’re looking for feedback from citizens of the Northwest Territories on this issue. Let’s get control of this issue. Let’s get ahead of the bubble. Let’s grab hold of it and make sure we know what people want and put safety first. Would the Minister do that?

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Sahtu

Norman Yakeleya

Minister of Transportation

Mr.

Speaker, the

Member is correct in terms of the education process. I do apologize that I didn’t mention that the Department of Transportation has a campaign, a single-window approach, in terms of all drivers on the road: the Drive Alive campaign. This is one process that we will be sure the Members in the House and the public in the communities know. We will enhance our component of the Drive Alive safety program to let them know about the issue of any type of distraction in the vehicle and the dangers of second-hand smoke, especially when there are children in the vehicle. We’ll certainly work closely with our Minister of Health and Social Services to ensure that this issue does have front-

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Paul Delorey

The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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Question 228-16(2) High Occurrence And Costs Of Foster Care

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We are spending a lot of money in regard to foster care, like I mentioned. It increased almost a million dollars from last year. We’re spending almost $7.6 million in this area. I’d just like to ask the Minister: do you have a program in place that allows families to be reunited with their children so that we can reinvest this money that we’re spending, the $7.6 million, in trying to keep families together, reunite them, and be able to keep the children in their home communities?

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Paul Delorey

The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Ms. Lee .

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

Thank you, Mr.

Speaker. I

appreciate the Member’s question. The million dollar increase that the Member mentioned is part of our new initiative funding in the budget which increases the rates that the foster parents receive. I could also advise the Member that in his communities of Mackenzie Delta, Aklavik, Fort McPherson and Tsiigehtchic, there are currently, as of March ’08, 36 children in care. The vast majority of them are with either the families or with extended families under various arrangements that makes it possible, with agreement from the government and the parents and the children involved.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, can the Minister give me a breakdown on the cost for the number of children who are in care and also the cost associated with the children in care in my riding?

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

I don’t have that level of detailed information, but I’d be happy to get the information for the Member.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

In my statement I made a reference to the Auditor General’s report in assessing children who are being apprehended on reserves in southern Canada. I believe that also affects us in the Northwest Territories. Has anybody in the department looked at the recommendations of the Auditor General and at exactly what alternatives and options we can look at to try to stem the flow of children being put into foster care and find solutions to those problems?

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

I do agree with the Member that if it’s at all possible we should try to keep our children in our communities and with extended families. This is information the department keeps close tabs on. Currently in the Territories there are

about 620 children in care. The vast majority of them are with extended families. Back in 1999 there were only 100 children who were with the parents or guardians or extended families. This year, as of March 31, 264 children are with parents retaining guardianship, and 316 children are with extended families. Many of them are in their communities. I think we could make a very strong case that we are improving, but obviously, it’s an area we continue to work on.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

It’s good to see numbers going down, but I think there are a lot of children who have fallen through the cracks, who have now ended up in institutions such as our jail systems, our young offenders facilities. I’d like to ask the Minister: do you track the children who are in care, and exactly where do they progress? What happens to these children after the age of 18?

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

I don’t have the information as to what happens to children after 18, but I could see if I could get that information. For the children who are under 18, there are currently 18 children in care outside of the Territories: two children, because they have a specialized medical condition; four children moved out to be with extended family; two moved south with their extended family; and ten children have moved to go with a formal foster family, because it was thought to be in the best interest of the children that they stay in the family they know for now. But in terms of the numbers, this is quite small in comparison to over 600 children who are in care.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Final supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Again, Mr. Speaker, 600 children are too many children to be in care. I think that, if anything, it is the trend that started off with residential schools, where children were taken away at a young age, put into residential schools and came into that cycle. I’d just like to remind the Minister that we have to do everything we can to get out of this cycle. I know there was the Plan of Care established under legislation. I fought long and hard to get that in my constituency. I’d just like to ask the Minister: what are we doing to ensure that all elements of the Child and Family Services Act are being implemented, especially in the area of the Plan of Care committees in communities.

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

I agree with the Member that we need to do more work on that. I appreciate the work the Member did on that Plan of Care provision of the Act that we amended. I supported that as a member of the committee. Regrettably, we do not have as many Plan of Care committees set up as we would like. The department is working with any committee that acts interested in it, to give them workshops and to help them set them up. That is something we need to do a lot more work on, which

I am planning on doing more rigorously as we move forward.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 229-16(2) Status Of Professionals Corporate Legislation

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I indicated in my Member’s statement today, we are probably the only jurisdiction in Canada that does not have legislation enabling professionals to become incorporated. I’d like to ask the Minister of Justice if this type of legislation is forthcoming in the Northwest Territories.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The Minister of Justice , Mr. Lafferty .

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Just to address the question on the Medical Profession Act and what the Member is alluding to — the changes — yes, there is a draft comprehensive professional corporation legislative proposal coming forward. So we are working on that with the Department of Health and Social Services and our department — working closely together on the particular statement.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Mr. Speaker, we’re all aware in this House of some of the pressures that have been on the resources and the capacity that we have to draft new legislation and get it enacted. I’d like to ask the Minister if all the consultation and everything has already happened that would allow this legislation to go forward and if it will be given priority status.

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mr.

Speaker, this has

been an ongoing issue for a number of years, highlighting the doctors and the lawyers. I believe Mrs. Groenewegen raised that issue on numerous occasions in the past. It has triggered our department and also Health and Social Services to draft up legislation on this particular issue. We are currently establishing a draft proposal to be submitted, and then we will be discussing that further. It is one of the priorities that our department is also working on with the department.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

To the issue of this being given some kind of a priority here, we cannot afford to lose any more professionals out of our community. As I said, I believe that the lack of this legislation is something that has affected Hay River just this past week in a very detrimental way. What kind of time frame could we be looking at to have this legislation in place and approved in this House?

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

It is true that we need to move forward on this. We certainly don’t want to lose professionals to the south. We certainly want

to attract them and retain them here in the North. The draft legislation proposal will be forwarded for our review within the next month, so it is coming in a progression period.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Lafferty. Final

supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In keeping with what would be the normal turnaround time required for a piece of legislation like this, I'd like to ask the Minister: is there any way to fast-track this? If there is, when could we possibly see this legislation work concluded and this bill passed in the House?

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mr.

Speaker, we’ll do

what we can as a department to fast-track this particular piece of our proposal.

We will, as a department, continue to work with the Department of Health and Social Services and the other parties that are involved with drafting of the proposal. We’ll do what we can as a department to move it expeditiously. Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 230–16(2) Income Threshold For Public Housing Applicants

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. Today I talked about an issue that hits home with many single mothers and fathers: the Core Need Income Threshold and the issue of being eligible for public housing. Today I have questions for the Minister Responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation . I’d like to ask the Minister: how often is a thorough review of the Core Need Income Threshold completed by the NWT Housing Corporation?

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Beaulieu. The

honourable Minister Responsible for the Housing Corporation , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you,

Mr.

Speaker. The homeownership Core Need

Income Threshold is done on a two-year cycle. The rental Core Need Income Threshold, accepted by CMHC, is provided to the NWT Housing Corp every five years, in accordance with the Social Housing Agreement.

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

I’m interested in the Core Need Income Threshold for public housing. Did I hear correctly that the Minister said the numbers come from Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation, or is there other data that’s used to determine the Core Need Income Threshold?

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

My information is that it comes mainly through the CMHC. As well, we do

our own. In 2009 the Housing Corporation will be doing, as well, another housing survey to check on the number of core needs for just housing in general.

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Can the Minister advise if the NWT Housing Corporation would look at a different way of determining Core Need Income Threshold? I can’t see how they could capture all community-assisted expenses if they’re using the Core Need Income Threshold handed down from the federal government.

Can the Minister advise if at some point the corporation would look at having all expenses to determine that core need income be community-specific?

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

The Member has raised a number of concerns in terms of housing policies, like with seniors and how that repair program is profiled. This is another issue. I’ll just make the commitment in the House that we’ll be willing and interested to sit down with committee to look at suggestions as we look at the broad policy review that’s underway currently in the Housing Corporation. As we move through this budget process, we will be moving right into the business planning process, so there’d be an opportunity to work with the committee to look at these very specific issues.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final supplementary, Mr. Beaulieu .

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That’s good. I’m glad that the Minister’s prepared to sit down with committee.

I would like to ask the Minister if he could commit to looking into creating some sort of special status for single mothers and fathers, in their need, to determine a different type of CNIT — Core Need Income Threshold — when the calculations are done. So if the Minister could commit to looking at some sort of special status for this group of people.

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Question 230–16(2) Income Threshold For Public Housing Applicants

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

As we engage in the process we just talked about with committee, in terms of the review and the issues and concerns in regard to the various policies that are currently there, those would be the types of things we would hope to be able to come to resolution on. So yes, we’re prepared to talk about that fully.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Question 231-16(2) World Wildlife Fund Call For Sustainable Development Practices

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr.

Speaker. My

questions have to do with the Premier ’s statements

in his recent press release on the World Wildlife Fund’s role in conservation. Does the Premier realize that the World Wildlife Fund has been a key partner, working with all of our communities — closely with all of our communities — for many years in the development and implementation of the NWT Protected Areas Strategy?

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Question 231-16(2) World Wildlife Fund Call For Sustainable Development Practices

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Bromley. The

Hon. Premier , Mr. Roland .

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Question 231-16(2) World Wildlife Fund Call For Sustainable Development Practices

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m aware they do work in a number of initiatives with the government. The simple fact is we also disagree with some of what they say in the Territories, this one being the case.

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

It’s good to know the Premier is aware of that contribution.

Does the Premier also realize that his press release totally ignored the point that the World Wildlife Fund was raising while simply focusing on writing off the World Wildlife Fund of Canada as a southern organization?

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

When you look at what we do as the Government of the Northwest Territories, we’re committed to a number of things: World Wildlife Fund, other groups from outside the territory. They may do some work in the territory, but they originate outside the territory.

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Not surprisingly, that failed to answer the question.

Does the Premier realize that the representative of the World Wildlife Fund of Canada is a 40-year resident of the Northwest Territories and that the previous representative is a long-term resident who has retired and currently lives on the land well away from any community in the Northwest Territories?

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Question 231-16(2) World Wildlife Fund Call For Sustainable Development Practices

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Whether I agree or disagree with the Member on the World Wildlife Fund and about who makes up that body, who gets appointed from time to time or who gets put on a contract, the fact is they made a request of the federal government that has a direct impact. In fact, if you look at what the Inuvialuit did, a part of the Arctic Council as well.... They’re dissatisfied with that result. You heard another Member in this House say something similar. The fact is we need to make those decisions in the North, not have lobby groups ask another government to make decisions that impact our lives.

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Question 231-16(2) World Wildlife Fund Call For Sustainable Development Practices

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

This is very good actually to hear the Premier actually speak to the issue, finally.

Does the Premier acknowledge that organizations that partner with our communities and work with them have something to contribute sometimes, especially when they’re supported by a regional

planning process, the Arctic Council and the majority of Canadians?

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Mr. Speaker, as I said, we’re going to get our message out to the people who need to hear it. We’ve also worked with a lot of groups. Whether or not they are the ones that specialize in environmental concerns or issues across the country, they’re still welcome to help and work with us in partnership. The message here is the fact that we in the Northwest Territories need to be making decisions about what impacts our lives, the economy and our environment. They need to be made here, not through some office someplace else, advising another government to make those decisions for us.

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Question 231-16(2) World Wildlife Fund Call For Sustainable Development Practices

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Roland. The

honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 232-16(2) Housing Repair And Construction Delays In Nahendeh

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I just want to follow up on my housing statement earlier today with respect to delays in repairs to constituents’ housing, especially in the community of Fort Liard, where I notice the apparent delays. I just wanted to see what stage or what the current status would be, from the Minister’s office, in terms of delivery of repairs and home construction in Fort Liard.

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Question 232-16(2) Housing Repair And Construction Delays In Nahendeh

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Menicoche. The

honourable Minister Responsible for the Housing Corporation , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 232-16(2) Housing Repair And Construction Delays In Nahendeh

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you,

Mr. Speaker. It is now the first part of June. The process should be well along. I take the Member’s point about the need to look at how we improve timeliness and completion rates. Clearly, we’re interested in working with the Regular Members as well as the communities to do that. We’re also fully engaged with the infrastructure committee as we look at how we improve the capital planning process and the capital delivery process which is not only for government but for the Housing Corporation as well.

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Question 232-16(2) Housing Repair And Construction Delays In Nahendeh

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Mr. Speaker, I’m just wondering if there’s some type of structure you use to identify how progress is going, if they’re completing four out of eight houses or ten out of 20 repairs. What type of reporting mechanisms are they using?

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Question 232-16(2) Housing Repair And Construction Delays In Nahendeh

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

The LHOs in the district office have their files, and they have their planning and delivery schedules and technical staff who track the projects. They try to keep a handle on it to make sure that things are proceeding apace, the materials are there, the contracts are met and the work is being carried out.

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Question 232-16(2) Housing Repair And Construction Delays In Nahendeh

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Without getting too specific, I’ve got this instance in Fort Liard of this elderly couple I spoke of in my Member’s statement. Last fall they were going to get their repairs done. I don’t know what happened there, but somehow they slipped through the reporting mechanism and they were forgotten. On my recent visit just last month their home was still not repaired, and there is no indication whatsoever of when they will get the work done. Once again, just for the recording mechanism, how would someone’s repairs slip through on an issue like that?

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Question 232-16(2) Housing Repair And Construction Delays In Nahendeh

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

I appreciate the Member’s concern, and what I will commit to is to get a listing of all the projects that are to be delivered this summer and over the course of this building season. If the Member would share with me the name of these two clients, I’ll make sure that update is provided to him as well.

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Question 232-16(2) Housing Repair And Construction Delays In Nahendeh

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final supplementary, Mr. Menicoche .

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much. Mr. Speaker. I’ll certainly do that. I just want to ensure that once it looks like they’ll have to reapply, they’re not bumped off the list.

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Question 232-16(2) Housing Repair And Construction Delays In Nahendeh

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

I’ll get the name from the Member, and I’ll make sure that we get any information and make sure that they’ve received fair, full and due process.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 233-16(2): NWT Association Of Communities Budget Concerns

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr.

Speaker. My

questions are directed to the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs . In my Member’s statement I mentioned two questions, which I’d like to ask the Minister at this time. I stated that the emergency planning coordinator position at MACA is an affected position. Assuming that the position is removed, I’d like to ask the Minister who will provide assistance to the communities in them preparing emergency preparedness plans.

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Question 233-16(2): NWT Association Of Communities Budget Concerns

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms.

Bisaro. The

honourable Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. Michael McLeod .

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Question 233-16(2): NWT Association Of Communities Budget Concerns

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The responsibility for preparing community response plans in emergency situations lies with the community governments, and that will continue.

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Question 233-16(2): NWT Association Of Communities Budget Concerns

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Assuming that the capacity of local governments remains as it is — it tends to be quite stretched, I guess would be a good word — I

appreciate the Minister’s answer, but at the moment the local governments do have the assistance of the emergency planning coordinator. If that position is gone, they’ll be left on their own. Is the government planning to provide any assistance to community governments to help them get these plans done, which should be an important part of their local government planning?

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Question 233-16(2): NWT Association Of Communities Budget Concerns

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

We will continue to provide assistance with community emergency plans. Most communities do them on their own right now. We provide a lot of support through our territorial emergency planning coordinator and will continue to do so.

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