Public Service Act, Health and Social Services — 11 March 2003 (14th Assembly, 6th Session, pp. 645–700)
2003-03-11, 14th Assembly 6th Session, pp. 645–700
Northwest Territories — Debates (Hansard)
Debates of March 11th, 2003
This is page numbers 645 - 700 of the Hansard for the 14th Assembly, 6th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.
The word of the day was chairman .
Topics
Members Present
Item 1: Prayer
Good Governance For Community Councils And Boards
An Apprenticeship Program Success
Success Of The United Way In Yellowknife
Access To Legal Aid For Family Law Matters
Support For Community Summer Student Employment
Electronic Health Care Record System
Responsibility For Resource Development Capacity And Preparedness
GNWT Procurement Policies
Bathurst Inlet Port And Road Project
Capacity Building For Oil And Gas Development
Weekend Activities In Thebacha
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Legal Aid For Family Law Matters
Oil And Gas Development Readiness Plan
GNWT Hire A Student Program
Diand Pipeline Readiness Office
Recruitment Of Health Care Professionals
Electronic Health Records System
Cooperation Agreement With The Yukon
Bathurst Port And Road Environmental Review
Shortage Of Legal Aid Resources
Primary Health Care Transition Fund
Capacity For Oil And Gas Development
Petition 3-14(6): Rental Rates And Affordable Housing In The Nwt
Tabled Document 45-14(6): GNWT 2001-2002 Results Report
Tabled Document 46-13(6): GNWT Response To The Social Agenda: Progress Report March 2003
Extended Adjournment Of The House To June 4, 2003
To Modify The Strategy To Harmonize Income Support And Social Housing
Motion To Amend Motion 8-14(6)
Bill 14:
An Act To Amend The Public Service Act
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Bill 3: Appropriation Act, 2003-2004
Committee Motion 9-14(6) To Suspend Increases To Administration Fees For Water And Sewer Maintenance
Committee Motion 10-14(6) To Extend The Three-year Replacement Cycle For Desktop Computers
NWT Housing Corporation
Bill 3: Appropriation Act, 2003-2004
Committee Motion 11-14(6) To Amend Clause 3(2) Of Bill 3
Committee Motion 12-14(6) To Amend
Schedule To Bill 3
Item 19: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
Item 21: Orders Of The Day
Members Present
Honourable Roger Allen , Honourable Jim Antoine , Mr. Bell , Mr. Braden , Mr. Delorey , Mr. Dent , Mrs. Groenewegen , Honourable Joe Handley , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Lafferty , Ms. Lee , Mr. McLeod , Honourable Michael Miltenberger , Mr. Nitah , Honourable Jake Ootes , Mr. Roland , Honourable Vince Steen , Honourable Tony Whitford
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Item 1: Prayer
Item 1: Prayer
Page 645
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Before we begin today, I would like to remind Members, and caution Members and Ministers, prior to statements and question period that any statements or questions by Members or replies by Ministers dealing with the harmonization strategy will be ruled out of order by the Chair. The strategy for harmonization of income is on the orders paper for today and Members will have ample time and opportunity to deal with that issue at the appropriate time. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Steen .
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Minister's Statement 37-14(6): Good Governance For Community Councils And Boards
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 645
Vince Steen
Nunakput
Mr. Speaker, it gives me great pleasure to advise Members of a new approach to governance training for northern communities.
Mr. Speaker, this government has spent much time discussing the many challenges facing community governments and non-government organizations in the North. We have all recognized the need to strengthen and develop individual and community capacity. A key element in building community capacity is ensuring that elected and appointed leaders have the skills they need to carry out their responsibilities.
Just over a year ago, Municipal and Community Affairs joined forces with the departments of Health and Social Services, Education, Culture and Employment and the federal Department of Indian and Northern Affairs to develop a generic workshop series on governance. The goal of the workshops is to improve community capacity and local decision-making. The workshops focus on the elements of governance that are common to all elected and appointed governing bodies, including municipal councils, band councils and health and education boards.
The workshops, which are offered through the department's School of Community Government, will enable councillors to enhance their knowledge and skills in governance, focusing on the following key areas: roles and responsibilities; leadership; planning; programs and services; community constitutions; financial awareness; governance and the law; the senior administrator; effective meetings; teamwork; exercising authority; and, emerging governance.
Four regional pilot project workshops using the new resources were recently delivered in Rae-Edzo, Fort Simpson, Fort Smith and Inuvik. Participants included municipal council members and staff, band councillors and representatives of health authorities. The sessions were well-received. Participants identified additional areas where training modules should be developed and several requests have been received to take the training into other communities.
Mr. Speaker, training in the aboriginal languages is also a critical component of the workshop series. In partnership with the Department of Education, Culture and Employment, the School of Community Governance is prepared to make this training available to any region or community in their aboriginal language. Workshops have recently been provided in the North Slavey and Dogrib languages. Upcoming governance workshops are scheduled in Gameti and Wekweti in the Dogrib language and we hope to offer a workshop in Inuvialuktun in the near future.
Mr. Speaker, the training provided by MACA's School of Community Government and its partners represents a great opportunity to work together to build community capacity in governance, which is essential to effective community operations, programs and services delivery. Developing leadership skills in our communities will also support implementation of aboriginal self-government agreements.
I am proud to work together in partnerships with the Department of Health and Social Services, the Department of Education, Culture and Employment and the Department of Indian and Northern Affairs Canada to contribute to the building of northern community capacity. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Minister's Statement 37-14(6): Good Governance For Community Councils And Boards
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 645
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Minister. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. Allen .
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Minister's Statement 38-14(6): An Apprenticeship Program Success
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
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Roger Allen
Inuvik Twin Lakes
Mr. Speaker, good afternoon to all Members of this House. Today I rise to update you on the progress the NWT Housing Corporation is making in support of the occupational trades training and certification program.
I am pleased to announce that the Fort Resolution Housing Authority has two apprentices who have successfully completed their trade, which includes their inter-provincial red seal. I would like to take this opportunity to express my congratulations to Dean McKay, who obtained his carpentry certification and Tyrone Fordy, who obtained certification as an oil burner mechanic. Thanks to their hard work and dedication to the program and to the support of the Fort Resolution Housing Authority and the NWT Housing Corporation, the community of Fort Resolution has just increased its capacity in terms of successfully developing its people.
Mr. Speaker, the Housing Corporation has met with officials from the Department of Education, Culture and Employment as well as community partners and, based on the success of the apprenticeship program, the corporation is expanding its commitment to this valuable program where possible.
It is clear that the occupational trades training and certification is working to help build our territory and strengthen our people. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Minister's Statement 38-14(6): An Apprenticeship Program Success
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 646
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Premier , Mr. Kakfwi . Item 3, Members' statements.
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Success Of The United Way In Yellowknife
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 646
Brendan Bell
Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to take the opportunity today to update my colleagues and the public on the Yellowknife United Way campaign. We all know intuitively that the Northwest Territories is very generous and there are many, many fund raising events held every year and most of them are very successful. Think back to the Run for the Cure and the kinds of fund-raising efforts that happened and the numbers that were coming out of a campaign like that compared us to cities like Halifax, much bigger cities, Mr. Speaker. I think that is something we often see in the NWT.
If you remember about a year ago, there was a newly formed
chapter of the United Way in Yellowknife. It's first ever fundraising campaign began last October and to date, I am pleased to say, Mr. Speaker, they have been successful in raising about $63,000, both through payroll deductions and through donations. I think this is great news. We know the United Way is an international charity committed to building strong and healthy communities and they support many worthwhile programs and services. How this money will be spent will be determined this spring.
It will be an RFP process and community organizations can put in proposals and I think the United Way is doing something very good here. They are recognizing that they want to try to fund programs that are going to have timelines of two to three years. We know many NGOs are telling us they don't have the manpower, the resources or capacity to be continuing reapplying for funds. I think this is a great approach as to how the money might be spent. Also, Mr. Speaker, much of the money can be donated to specific Canadian charities registered in the NWT.
For instance, if you have payroll deductions coming off your paycheque, you can decide where your money will go.
I have had a chance to take a look at the registered charities in the NWT that are signed up with the United Way. There are well over 100 of them and I think my colleagues will be interested to know that many of them are not in Yellowknife. I know that was a concern when this was being discussed, that this would help Yellowknife and it wasn't going to do much for outlying communities. It looks like there are about 15 Hay River organizations on here, 10 to 15 from Fort Smith, some from Providence, Resolution, McPherson, Good Hope. I think this is a great start, Mr.
Speaker, and I am sure we will see more and more organizations join the list. If you are curious or interested to see the list of organizations, you can go to www.yellowknife.unitedway.ca. I think this is a great program. Mr. Speaker, I think we should also thank the Minister of Finance who allowed the payroll deduction to take place. I hope my colleagues will join me in thanking this new organization for their hard work. Thank you.
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Item 3: Members' Statements
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Bell . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. McLeod .
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Access To Legal Aid For Family Law Matters
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 646
Michael McLeod
Deh Cho
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wish to raise an issue that many of us have brought up in this House and that's the issue of access to legal aid for family matters, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, it's been brought to my attention by a number of my constituents that a problem continues to exist and is becoming worse with respect to access to legal aid and more specifically to legal aid involving family law matters. It's my understanding that only the most urgent family law such as custody matters are being dealt with in a somewhat timely manner. Other matters considered less than urgent await assignment to a legal aid lawyer, in some cases for up to a year.
People waiting for legal aid support are being frustrated and are forced to make decisions that sometimes jeopardize their position when their matter reaches the courts. We have people living in fear for their life and who are forced to continue living in abusive relationships, who are living in poverty and who are living in fear of losing their children. All of this is real and severely impacts the emotional state of those who have to live in this environment.
Mr. Speaker, one of the effects of increased development is increased social problems. If our legal aid system is unable to meet our current needs now, the matter will only worsen. There is a shortage of lawyers practicing in this field when the government has to look at recruiting additional lawyers in addition to actively seeking alternative methods of mediation to deal with specific matters that could be settled without litigation. The honourable Minister of Justice , Mr. Allen , in questions posed to him in previous sitting of this House by my colleague, Ms.
Lee , confirmed that this department is planning to introduce more collaborative law rather than litigation to solve family law matters. I will be asking the honourable Member to share with us what, if any, progress has been made in this area when he plans to introduce solutions that can result in the backlogs of these cases being reduced. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Access To Legal Aid For Family Law Matters
Item 3: Members' Statements
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. McLeod . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Nitah .
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Support For Community Summer Student Employment
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 646
Steven Nitah
Tu Nedhe
Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we are finishing off our session here. Spring is coming up and our summer is coming down. Students will be leaving school and wanting to enter the workforce. Mr. Speaker, we, as a government, introduce employment opportunities for university students and we've made a budget available.
Unfortunately, we've determined through statistical information that most of those students are working for government departments and hardly any are working for industry. Very few work for chiefs and councils, municipal councils, Metis councils and NGOs in our communities. So this program does not seem to have an effect outside of government.
One of the reasons for introducing this program was to give students an opportunity to gain experience. Mr. Speaker, we need experience outside of government as well. I would like to encourage this government to see what they can do to communicate this program to communities, consult with communities so they can take advantage of this program, so that the chief and council, the Metis council in each of our communities can take advantage of these dollars so they can hire the students in our communities. It may make a difference in the communities for high school students.
Sidewalks in our communities are something badly needed. Mud is a problem. We are trying to address it with chipsealing, but we could do with short-term solutions for the time-being, Mr. Speaker. Those kinds of things I would like to see this government do to address the employment issues in our communities. I will be asking the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment to see if he is willing to go down that road with me. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Support For Community Summer Student Employment
Item 3: Members' Statements
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Nitah . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Hay River North , Mr. Delorey .
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Electronic Health Care Record System
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 647
Paul Delorey
Hay River North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I believe the residents of the NWT have a fundamental right to quality health care. I also believe we must continually upgrade and improve our equipment and information systems, so that our health care providers are equipped with the tools necessary to provide quality health care.
To that end, Mr. Speaker, it is imperative and absolutely vital that an electronic health record system be implemented in the Northwest Territories. Mr. Speaker, I believe our government's current use of health care resources does not directly correspond to the values of efficiency and accountability for the people we serve, the residents of the NWT.
Without an electronic health record system in place, Mr. Speaker, our health care system in the North is extremely vulnerable and the health of our residents is at great risk. Mr. Speaker, medical error is the eighth most likely cause of death for Canadians. It costs an estimated 10,000 lives per year. We can no longer, as a government, afford to ignore these pictures. Mr. Speaker, these figures beg the question of how many people have to die without an electronic health record system being implemented in the NWT. You cannot put a price on what saving even one life would mean.
If we continue without an electronic health record system in the NWT, Mr. Speaker, there are increased risks to our residents from physicians being unable to access a patient's past medical history. Mr. Speaker, due to the absence of an electronic health records system and given our transient population in the NWT, it is currently impossible for a physician practicing anywhere in the North to access a patient's medical history if they were seen anywhere else previously in the NWT. In this day and age, that is unacceptable.
Mr. Speaker, in the recently released Romanow report on the state of health care in Canada, the electronic health record was a key recommendation. Mr. Speaker, our doctors cannot practice safe and comprehensive primary care without an electronic health record system being implemented. We need to provide our doctors with the tools that they require to do their job for the sake of all residents of the NWT. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Electronic Health Care Record System
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 647
The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Delorey . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .
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Responsibility For Resource Development Capacity And Preparedness
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 647
David Krutko
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we've heard a lot about the pipelines and major developments that are going to take place in the North in the next while and I think we can't lose focus. We can continue to point our fingers at the federal government, but I think we have to turn the finger around to say we are also responsible for these developments that are going to take place in the North.
I believe this government has a fundamental responsibility when it comes to the management of our wildlife to ensure we not only protect it, but also the traditional way of life for our hunters and trappers to ensure that any major impacts on them, or the areas they harvest, are going to be considered for compensation. We have a responsibility for management of our forests to ensure that we have protection in place, and also so we can develop our forest products in the Northwest Territories to benefit from these major developments.
Mr. Speaker, I think it is time that this government realized that we cannot continue to blame the federal government for the lack of capacity in our communities. It is this government's responsibility to build that capacity, ensuring that the people in our communities are prepared, have the resources and the human resources to deal with the environmental assessment process to deal with the whole pipeline application process, and to ensure that we, as a territory, have the infrastructure and resources in the communities.
I think it is great to have the resources at headquarters, but that's not where the development and impact is going to be felt. It is going to be felt in our communities. It is going to be felt by the residents in our communities and we have to ensure that we minimize that impact through our responsibility as government. We have to ensure that these developments don't have a major impact on our health care system and our education systems, and prepare ourselves to be ready for those developments when they happen.
I think we have learned from the Norman Wells experience. We've learned from the diamond mine experience where we've had to work with industries to develop social and economic agreements and develop training programs to develop the capacity so that we could benefit through the secondary industry of diamonds. We have to do similar things for oil and gas and I think this government has to start developing its own scenarios on how we, as government, are going to be prepared for the pipeline development. Are we prepared or will we continue to blame the federal government for all our errors and problems that we have? I will be asking the Premier questions on this matter later. Thank you.
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Item 3: Members' Statements
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .
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GNWT Procurement Policies
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 648
Sandy Lee
Range Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to speak about something that has been brought to my attention and that of other Members in the House. It has to do with the government's procurement and contracting process. In the latest case, Mr. Speaker, it involved upwards of $1 million for purchasing computer equipment and services. As more and more information is being made known, it may prove to be the case that the government had no other option but to go to a large southern supplier, Mr. Speaker. It could be that the materials and services being bought were such that it was too sophisticated or required types of warranties and services that could not otherwise be had in the North.
But the main problem here is that the northern suppliers were not given an opportunity to have a say, yea or nay, as to whether they could partake in it or not. Mr. Speaker, the problem I'm having is that we have heard this type of argument before. Not too long ago, this government deliberately bypassed its own BIP policy because we believed the premium was too high. That resulted in a long-term northern business losing out on a contract by a very small margin. In the latest case, Mr. Speaker, the Minister has argued that this contract went through the sole source contract process and all the rules were followed.
Once again, Mr. Speaker, we have the government making decisions without thinking through the implications of what they are doing and the messages they are sending out in doing it.
Mr. Speaker, I submit to you that there is a good broad philosophical principle to uphold in policies such as the Business Incentive Policy, and that is that we, as a government, are more than a mere consumer of products like computers or a builder of a facility. We have to understand that we cannot go about making purchasing deals that only look at what is the best value for the buck right here, right now. This has to be factored in along with a number of other factors that contribute to the public good that the government is supposed to fulfill.
The government should know that there is an additional value called a multiplier on every dollar that is spent. Every government dollar spent in the community multiplies three to fourfold in jobs created, local businesses maintained and new industry fostered.
This is how we build community capacity, and if these projects continue to be too big and too sophisticated for the local IT suppliers to bid on, then those businesses will continue to stay too small and too unsophisticated in the government's books. That is not fair, Mr. Speaker, and that is not right. Mr. Speaker, I believe that we have to do better and we can do better only if the government and the Ministers' departments will just think through their choices, and I ask for that sort of action now. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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GNWT Procurement Policies
Item 3: Members' Statements
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Ms. Lee . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for North Slave , Mr. Lafferty .
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Bathurst Inlet Port And Road Project
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 648
Leon Lafferty
North Slave
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to focus on an issue that has not received much attention from this government that will have a huge impact on the Tlicho and Akaitcho regions, as well as Yellowknife, the Northwest Territories and Canada. This issue is the proposed development of the Bathurst Inlet port and road project in Nunavut. Because this project runs through the Slave Geological Province, which is in both our territories, any activity there has significant implications. This area includes all of the mining developments to date between Yellowknife and the Arctic coast and has the greatest resource deposits in both of the territories.
If this Bathurst road proceeds, it will likely become the main supply route for the mines and communities in the area. This will disrupt the existing resupply business from the Northwest Territories and the southern provinces. This area is also home to a variety of muskoxen, moose, bears and the Bathurst caribou herd. This herd has its calving ground north of the proposed routes. I am concerned about the impact this road will have on the caribou. My people rely extensively on the caribou as food.
Mr. Speaker, within the next month the Minister of Indian and Northern Affairs is expected to decide which type of environmental review the proposed supply road will undergo. The two options are to do either a
part 5 or a
part 6 environment review. A
part 5 review involves only the Nunavut Environmental Review Board; the
part 6 review includes input from all affected parties and participation is funded.
Mr. Speaker, this project involves transboundary issues. It has the potential to shift the transportation and economic focus from the Northwest Territories and could severely affect our caribou herd. I think it is really important that we ensure that a
part 6 federal environmental review of this project is undertaken and that a spokesperson from the Northwest Territories is appointed to represent the Western Arctic interests. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Bathurst Inlet Port And Road Project
Item 3: Members' Statements
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Roland .
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Capacity Building For Oil And Gas Development
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 648
Floyd Roland
Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to follow up on my colleague from Mackenzie Delta's comments about capacity building, more in the area of oil and gas, Mr. Speaker. Previous to this day, earlier in the session I raised a question and concerns about the establishment of DIAND's oil and gas office in Yellowknife, and said that they should be building an office and moving people to where the activity is, Mr. Speaker. That would go a long way towards building capacity in the Northwest Territories. I can understand the need for bodies around the capital city but, Mr.
Speaker, we have electronics, we have systems in place so that people can communicate on a daily basis without having to be in a central location.
Mr. Speaker, I would like to find out later on in question period if we know where, in fact, is this going to happen and how many bodies would be moving to the North and if that has all been decided or is that still up in the air? So I will be asking the Premier those questions later on. Thank you.
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Capacity Building For Oil And Gas Development
Item 3: Members' Statements
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Roland . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Thebacha , Mr. Miltenberger .
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Item 3: Members' Statements
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Michael Miltenberger
Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would just like to briefly, in this House, highlight some of the activities that are going to be taking place in Thebacha this weekend. Mr. Speaker, starting late Friday morning, we are going to be opening the first of 12 seniors' independent housing units, along with my colleague, Mr. Allen , who is coming to town to do the official ribbon cutting. I would like to thank the committee led by Leon Peterson that worked so hard at housing and the local authority to make this happen.
This weekend, as well, is going to be Wood Buffalo Frolics so we hope there is a break in the weather. As part of the Wood Buffalo Frolics, the PWK grad committee is putting on an auction, and that auction is going to be done by the Speaker whose legendary golden, dulcet tones are going to raise scads of money for the graduation committee in Fort Smith. So it's going to be a very busy weekend in the community and I would like to commend all the volunteers and people who have made this possible. I would like to thank Minister Allen and the Speaker for coming to the community to help us with these festivities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Ootes .
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Jake Ootes
Yellowknife Centre
Mr. Speaker, it's a great pleasure for me to introduce and recognize my constituency assistant in the House today, Pearl Benyk.
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Nitah .
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Steven Nitah
Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It also gives me great pleasure to introduce my constituency assistant, Mr. Steven Norn from Fort Resolution. He's expecting a baby in town here.
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The Speaker
Tony Whitford
Thank you. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. I would like to welcome you all to the Legislative Assembly to watch the proceedings. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. McLeod .
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Question 207-14(6): Legal Aid For Family Law Matters
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Michael McLeod
Deh Cho
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to follow up with some questions regarding my Member's statement on family law. I would like to ask the Minister of Justice if he could tell me, when it comes to family law matters, what is the average waiting time for legal aid files to be assigned to a lawyer?
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The honourable Minister of Justice , Mr. Allen .
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Roger Allen
Inuvik Twin Lakes
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I don't have the exact waiting time, although we would like to acknowledge there is a backlog in family law cases. We are quickly working on trying to find a resolution to that. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Michael McLeod
Deh Cho
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister if he could tell me how long it takes for a family law file to be settled?
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Roger Allen
Inuvik Twin Lakes
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Again, we are at the convenience of the court system. As well, we are trying to find more lawyers to deal with family law matters. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Michael McLeod
Deh Cho
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, that's two non-answers in a row. I would like to ask the Minister then, Mr. Speaker, Ms. Lee introduced some questions in this House to the Justice Minister regarding collaborative law. Mr. Speaker, I admit, I had to look up what that meant. The Minister indicated he would be bringing some collaborative law solutions to this House. What is he doing in order to reduce the backlog of family law cases?
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The honourable Minister of Justice , Mr. Allen .
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Roger Allen
Inuvik Twin Lakes
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will read verbatim from my appearance before a standing committee on the budget. "Yes, we are trying to hire more family law lawyers." It's been a difficult task, I must admit. We are trying to encourage suggestions to reduce the backlog and the amount of cases before the courts. We are trying to use a collaborative law practice rather than the conventional judicial system. So there is an effort by the department and legal aid to try to reduce some of the waiting time, Mr. Speaker.
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Michael McLeod
Deh Cho
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am glad there are some initiatives being made, but I don't know if we are really making any progress. My understanding is the backlog of cases is growing. Can the Minister confirm that we have gone from a certain number and now that number is escalating on a daily basis? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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The honourable Minister of Justice , Mr. Allen .
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Roger Allen
Inuvik Twin Lakes
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, many of the items here before us, there is a fluctuation in cases and we are trying to make sure we have sufficient legal aid support to try to help reduce the backlog. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .
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Question 208-14(6): Oil And Gas Development Readiness Plan
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David Krutko
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, with regard to my statement, I would like to direct my question to the Premier . We hear a lot about what's got to be done for a pipeline and how we have to get the federal government on board and how we need the federal government to start funding infrastructure and whatnot; yet, this government has some clear responsibilities. We have non-renewable resource strategies, we are responsible for wildlife in the NWT and also we are responsible for program delivery, especially in the areas of education and training. Mr.
Speaker, with a pipeline coming down the valley, it's important that we, as a government, be prepared. So I would like to ask the Minister, do we have a plan in place so that this government will bring in legislation to deal with the aspects we are responsible for such as amendments to the Wildlife Act, development of a non-renewable resource strategy, so that we can implement some of these ideas?
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Tony Whitford
The honourable Premier , Mr. Kakfwi .
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the administration and management of non-renewable resources, diamonds, oil and gas, all lands and waters remains with the federal government. It is true wildlife is the responsibility we have and we are working with the public and aboriginal governments to deliver a Wildlife Act in the near future, we hope. Primarily the responsibility for making sure the North is prepared to benefit from development of non-renewable resources, we believe, has to be continually faced squarely with the federal government.
We do our share to do what we can with our limited resources to prepare the communities and the people for what we hope is a positive future in non-renewable resource development.
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David Krutko
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this government has a responsibility to ensure that the residents of the NWT have the resources. We are prepared so that when a developer comes to our doorstep and requests us to have input and requests that we basically have meaningful input into any process whether it's through a public hearing or looking at a specific project, that we have the capacity in our communities such as economic development officers having technicians to help us review the information that is in front of us. Is the government doing anything to assist communities to develop that capacity so when developers knock on our door we are prepared for them?
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The ability of this government to deal with developers coming into communities, whether they are mining companies or oil and gas companies is limited. It always has been limited. We continue to say that the federal government must take responsibility, primary responsibility, for getting our communities and businesses well prepared to deal with development as it comes to us and to benefit from it.
As a government, we advocate development, we promote it and we've sent a message to industry, the federal government and public that what we are advocating is a positive approach and a well-prepared approached to development. In order to sustain it, we need the federal government to step up and take a positive attitude and an aggressive approach to make sure the proper resources and planning are there so that all of us can benefit. Thank you.
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David Krutko
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we have a massive bureaucracy out there that's called the Government of the Northwest Territories. We have a lot of technicians, policy analysts, specialists we have hired in the different areas, the oil and gas industry, the diamond industry, in this government. What does a community have to do to access those resources, so they can come into our communities to assist the communities so when an application is dropped on the table, a community can go through it and analyze it knowing they will have input into this process? Does this government have the ability to get those people out of headquarters and into the communities to help our residents?
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the staff that we have and the resources we have presently are fully engaged. We do not have additional resources available to undertake what the Member is suggesting. The federal government, I believe, is obliged to step forward and help us make sure our roads are properly maintained, developed and finished so that development can happen in a way that will benefit us. The federal government has to take primary responsibility for helping us fund the training programs that are required so that our people are trained and educated to do the jobs that will be coming forward.
I believe the federal government has to take the responsibility for making sure the many boards and agencies that deal with environmental and land use planning and the developmental aspects of development as it encroaches on the North are dealt with and communities are prepared in order to deal with those. So we still insist that our government is not resourced properly. We are on a fixed formula and there is no mechanism right now for us to benefit from resource development because those projects that are now having revenue flowing from royalties are going all to the federal government. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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David Krutko
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am not too sure this government has any responsibilities to anybody in the NWT. What are we doing to prepare ourselves for a major development such as a pipeline down the Mackenzie valley? Does this government have a plan in place to deal with that?
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The government, I believe, is of the view that we are ready and if the federal government engages with us in making sure we have the infrastructure dollars required, if we get the health dollars we believe we need and are entitled to, if we get access to the training dollars we believe are required, if the federal government properly resources the aboriginal communities so that they can get economic development dollars, business development dollars in place, as is their mandate, then this government will not only have the plan, but have the resources available to throw additional dollars into the communities, so we can be more than ready to benefit from the development that we see coming.
Thank you.
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Question 209-14(6): GNWT Hire A Student Program
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Steven Nitah
Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we speak a lot about capacity building in the NWT and, in this day and age, we should have no problem employing government people and employing people in all the communities. We don't have programs for the development of those positions in the communities, but we do have one program called the hire-a-student program and it's carried by the Department of Education, Culture and Employment that was introduced last year. Before I ask specific questions, I would like to ask the Minister if he could refresh our memory of what this program is about and the budget associated with it. Thank you.
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The Speaker
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Thank you. The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Ootes .
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Jake Ootes
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you for the question to the honourable Member. We devote $1 million to the program for summer student hiring and it is based on a subsidy of $5 per individual per hour. It is done by application by companies, organizations, aboriginal groups, whoever it may be, municipal governments, to our government. The companies would make the application on behalf of the student when they hire the student, Mr. Speaker.
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Steven Nitah
Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, through statistical information, we determined that the majority of the dollars, the $1 million, was spent here in the city of Yellowknife by the Government of the Northwest Territories. I would like to ask the Minister what is he doing to ensure that that doesn't happen? What is he doing to ensure the $1 million is spread throughout the North so companies in Holman, people in Fort Resolution, people in Lutselk'e can take advantage of this program? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Member has a very good point. We want to ensure that this money gets to the regions, to the companies throughout the territory, be it company or organization. Municipal governments can apply, aboriginal governments, aboriginal businesses, anyone in business, Mr. Speaker, can apply for this funding. It has traditionally been on a first come/first serve basis, but we are in the process of advertising it and ensuring that as many people will become knowledgeable as possible. Thank you.
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Steven Nitah
Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, too many times we, as a government, create these programs and services and the only people who know about it are government employees. Therefore, it's the departments who take advantage of these programs and services, so we recycle the money within government. Would the Minister consider putting a cap on it, say perhaps 30 percent of the total budget be going to the territorial government and leaving the rest for other businesses and other government bodies in the NWT? This will ensure that it's spread out. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the whole issue of summer employment is certainly an important one for many students to be employed as possible, but it's important that we ensure that as many students in the regions and communities get employed, if that's where they wish to be employed. Sometimes it is difficult to ensure that employment is created in the communities. We depend somewhat on applications from companies and organizations to create that employment, then we can support that with funding, Mr. Speaker. We are certainly very interested in that approach to ensure that we do it more and more in the regional centres, that being communities and other centres.
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Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this government has been in the NWT for 35 years. Two questions in this House have determined that the majority of jobs are either in Yellowknife or the regional centres, not in the communities. Therefore, I say there's one program where government can limit its involvement to 30 percent, so that other agencies and governments can take advantage of it. There are no government jobs in our communities. There are one or two employees. Therefore, I am saying let's spread it out a little bit.
The only way I can think of doing that without relying totally on the ability of the Department of Education, Culture and Employment to communicate is to put a cap on it. Would the Minister consider to put a cap on government involvement of this $1 million to $300,000? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I can certainly take it under consideration. I don't know what the implications of that would be, but certainly, as I mentioned earlier, our interest is there to ensure opportunities are provided for the businesses and organizations in the communities and that we ensure if there are students who wish to work in those particular circumstances, that we try to promote that. I can certainly guarantee to the Member, that we will make our best efforts to ensure that we promote in these communities, in all of the communities, and that we ensure that the information is out there for companies and students to know about this. Thank you.
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Floyd Roland
Inuvik Boot Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question would be directed to the Premier , along the lines of my Member's statement. Mr. Speaker, we became aware early in our session that DIAND has announced it is getting ready for the pipeline by putting $10 million towards the Pipeline Readiness Office. They mentioned that it would be established in Yellowknife. Has that been done? Is that an agreement that is signed and is proceeding? Thank you.
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this is an announcement that came from the federal Minister, Robert Nault. It is money that the federal government is putting in place to open an office, to hire staff to help them get ready for the real possibility that a Mackenzie Valley pipeline will be proposed by producers and aboriginal groups in the next few months. So we are not privy to the information. I believe it has been announced, the money has been allocated and the office will be opened and staff will be hired, as far as I understand, all based here in Yellowknife. Thank you.
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Floyd Roland
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, along the line of capacity, for example, business goes where the activity is and it's proven, Mr. Speaker, through the petroleum show that's put on in Inuvik. It's sold out now, two years in a row, and again this coming June. It just shows business will go where the activity is. I am just wondering if the Premier will, on behalf of this government, discuss with the Minister of DIAND to see if there is a possibility of moving that office to other areas. Thank you.
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the initial discussion I had with Minister Nault was two years ago. At that time, we indicated that our preference would be to see this office and the staff placed in communities other than Yellowknife because the oil and gas activity is along the Mackenzie Valley. We mentioned Hay River, Fort Simpson, Norman Wells and Inuvik as possible sites that they should consider.
He indicated at that time that he was prepared to look at that, so we can have some communication with the Minister to determine whether the additional staff and resources that are going to be coming to the North to fulfill the oil and gas responsibilities of the federal government could be placed in those communities that I named. I don't think they are open to relocating the present office at this time, but we can ask that question as well. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Floyd Roland
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Premier has stated publicly that the federal government has to come to the table and provide resources and capacity building in communities in the North and I think that's very good. Hopefully he will be able to put this into that basket. Can the Premier provide us with information as to what new jobs might be established and provide that to Members? Thank you.
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I understand it, in the '70s, all the staff were in Hull, Quebec. So it can be seen positively as a change in attitude perhaps by federal officials. We can contact the Minister's office and continue to send the message that we want oil and gas pipeline development resources located in places other than Yellowknife, to make sure that along the right-of-way, in the regions where oil and gas development is occurring, that those will be the places where federal officials should be located. Thank you.
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Charles Dent
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Health and Social Services . Mr. Speaker, several months ago, there was quite a crisis in the health field because of a lack of qualified personnel. It was a big public issue. The Minister announced that the government would be putting $8 million-plus into recruitment to try to deal with that. It was welcomed by the public. Could the Minister tell the House if we have seen any results now from the recruitment that was promised with this $8 million?
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Michael Miltenberger
Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the vacancy numbers as of December 31, 2002, overall combining GPs and specialists, were 24.4 percent. Mr. Speaker, we've since added 19.5 positions; 16.5 GPs and three more specialists. We are in the process of working with the medical association to stamp those.
We just signed a good agreement with the general practitioners which has been put on the medical association's web site, which is part of a recruiting tool, I understand, that lays out in detail the package, but at this point, while we have the resources in place to add to the doctor complement, the issue is finding doctors. These numbers as of December 31st are somewhat dated. We still have positions to fill. Thank you.
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, is the Minister aware if we have filled any of the new positions that we brought the funding in for?
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am aware that they -- I don't have the specific positions - have had some successful contacts and commitments at Stanton. Also, in some of the communities, there have been some unfortunate situations where we have lost the services of some of the doctors due to personal circumstances, but there has been some success. I know the medical community, along with management at Stanton, are working to staff all positions we have. Thank you.
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Minister sounds very optimistic that we are going to fill all the positions, but it seems like it's been quite some time and it doesn't sound like very many of them have been filled. What is the Minister going to do to improve the recruiting efforts that are now underway?
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we want to successfully conclude an agreement with the specialists, which is an outstanding item. Then we are going to continue to work with the medical association. We are looking at the services of a qualified, specialized recruiter as another option to try to assist us, given the new resources we've put in and the number of positions, nearly a 30 percent increase in positions of doctors that we have added to the system. So we are going to try to wrap up and I would like to point out that this is a very competitive market.
While we, as a government and as a Legislature, voted the money in, the number of doctors available to fill the positions across the country has not increased. We just have to be more aggressive. Thank you.
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Minister mentioned working with the medical association. I would think that physicians would have a vested interest in seeing these positions filled to bring down their workload. Has the Minister considered not only working with the medical association, but putting the job of recruiting right into their hands? In other words, funding the medical association to actually run the recruiting process.
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I agree that the medical community has a vested interest in seeing these resources spent as the money has been voted and getting the doctor positions filled. At this point, we are working collaboratively. We may reach the point where turning it all over to the medical community is a possibility, but at this point I think it is best done as a collaborative effort. Thank you.
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Paul Delorey
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are for the Minister of Health and Social Services . Mr. Speaker, as I indicated in my Member's statement, I believe it is imperative that an electronic health record system be initiated throughout the NWT. As I stated earlier, an electronic health record system was a key recommendation from the recent Romanow Commission report. Would the Minister of Health and Social Services please indicate to this House what steps his department is taking to ensure electronic health records are being instituted throughout the NWT?
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Michael Miltenberger
Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Member is absolutely correct when he indicates the need for this particular function and systems upgrade. We have developed terms of reference for a medical electronic patients record improvement project. We've laid out timelines. We want to start working on this and we have already started to work through the development of the terms of reference. We have received a proposal by Dr.
Affleck who has been working in Yellowknife initially and in some other communities on a scaled down approach to the electronic health records but they as well realized, if we were going to do this right, we need it system-wide. That as well has been recognized in the action plan. The intent is to look at Dr. Affleck's proposal and see how it fits within the work we laid out in the terms of reference. As well, we are going to try to access some of the money that is going to become available through the new health care money, a significant chunk which has been dedicated for health information systems.
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Paul Delorey
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I certainly think there are fundamental risk management and liability issues for the Department of Health, for all authorities across the North, in not having medical information management systems that are capable of tracking patients' medications, illnesses and disease. The doctors are doing the best they can, but they need a system in order to properly diagnose and treat patients. What is the Department of Health's contingency plan for potential lawsuits rising from patients whose diseases were left unchecked or from families whose loved ones have died from a lack of electronic health records? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Michael Miltenberger
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Member raises one of the concerns that has driven us to look at this important issue and that is the fact that a lot of our information systems, when it comes to patients and medical records, are on paper and don't often travel with the patient. As a Minister, I have listened to a legion of issues that result mainly from poor information, lack of follow-up, missed appointments, information not following the patients. So if an individual or their family or their estate chooses to launch a lawsuit at this point, we would deal with that on a case-by-case basis.
Very clearly we recognize the need to do the improvements to get the system updated and that's what we intend to do through these terms of reference. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am glad to hear the Minister and his department are doing work in this area because I think it's vital to our health care system. I think I heard the Minister say he is prepared to put in the resources necessary to do this. I would like the Minister to commit to providing both the financial and human resources necessary to implement an electronic health records system in all health and social services authorities in the NWT. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we have had money in the business plan, in the budget that just came through. We will continue to put and add in money for this particular initiative in the business planning process and we will proceed with the work as it's laid out. We will hopefully be given the funds necessary to implement this system. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I think I heard the Minister mention as well that they will be trying to access federal dollars to implement this system and get it going across the NWT. I was wondering if the Minister could inform the House if he's aware of the Canada Health Info A(sic) program and the millions of dollars that are committed for the purpose of providing electronic health records across Canada? Is that the program the Minister is talking about trying to get health care dollars from the federal government? Is he aware of that program? Is that where the money is coming from? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, that is one external source. We, as well, want to look at the details when the federal government actually tells us how they want to put the money they've promised into the system. Mr. Romanow noted a concern for this. So we are going to take advantage of existing funds. As well, we are going to try to access whatever new funds may become available and make our case as a territory for need. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Bill Braden
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Mr. Speaker, my questions this afternoon are for the Premier . They are in relation to a topic that's already been talked about and that is the development coming up, especially in light of the recent pipeline news. At least one national newspaper has declared that the Mackenzie Delta is the winner of the pipeline race. That may be so. I am very pleased, Mr. Speaker, to see that this rather uncomfortable couple of years that we were going through with our neighbour to the west is over now and we are engaged in collaboration and cooperation as the Premier said the other day.
The Premier has indicated he's on his way to the Yukon by the end of the month to work on a new agreement. I wanted to ask, Mr. Speaker, if the Premier could outline for us what are the main elements of cooperation and collaboration in this renewed relation with the Yukon? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the day after the Premier of the Yukon was elected, he contacted our office and asked to speak to me. We had our conversation. It was an expression of interest to take a positive approach to working with the Northwest Territories to seek out those things that we have in common, the things we all need and to find ways in which we can work cooperatively in partnership. I agreed with that. We met a few days later in Calgary and had a longer conversation about that.
On Thursday morning, I will be travelling to Whitehorse to sign a memorandum with Premier Fentie to meet with the Premier and his colleagues and the caucus there, as well as with the Yukon aboriginal leadership in an attempt to show the serious manner in which we see this new development and to build on it. So, in short, Mr. Speaker, the intent is to sign a memorandum that will say we have differences, we set those aside, we have common interests, common goals, and those are the ones that we are going to work on together and we will begin that relationship commonly through signing. Thank you.
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In relation to the pipeline, there is certainly a lot of common ground there and collaboration that we could go on. In fact, the Mackenzie Delta, I think, has already got quite a number of business relationships and linkages with business in the Yukon. Should we be expecting or anticipating that there may be some preferential agreements or advantages that we would be offering the Yukon as construction of a pipeline down the Mackenzie Valley becomes more of a reality?
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Stephen Kakfwi
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, some of the common issues that we have immediately are, of course, to see the upcoming proposal to build the Mackenzie Valley gas pipeline as a positive development for both territories and to agree to find ways in which we can all benefit from that project as it is developed and is filed with the National Energy Board and to see how that can fit into the planning of bringing natural gas out of the Yukon through the northern end onto that project.
As well, we have the Porcupine caribou herd, the issues of the calving grounds in Alaska and in the immediate need to continue to support the Gwich'in from Alaska, from the Yukon and the Northwest Territories in their continued effort to protect the calving grounds of the Porcupine caribou herd from unnecessary encroachment by oil and gas development and from many legislative initiatives by the American government.
We recently did some work together on trying to get a fair deal from Ottawa in regard to help and we will continue to collaborate on that. We know all three territories are suffering from a lack of an economic development agreement that all other jurisdictions in Canada enjoy at this time. So we will focus on that. Tourism is another issue that I think we will be having some discussions on. So those are some of the areas which we've agreed to look at and start working at together. Thank you.
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Bill Braden
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That is a very comprehensive list and I'm really pleased to see those are areas that we are going to be covering and can look forward to. In regard to the pipeline, Mr. Speaker, the Premier was quoted in recent media coverage as saying that every person in the Territories will benefit from this great project and be a partner in it. How can we anticipate that we will see the benefits of this project spreading to all residents of the NWT? Thank you.
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Thank you. Mr. Speaker, it is our intent to keep working and to promote development but to also to promote the notion that every person in the Northwest Territories should benefit from development that occurs within the Northwest Territories. A list of ways in which we can benefit has been articulated in some point or another by this government, but we know that as development happens in the mining sector and also in oil and gas there is a need for many things.
One is a health care system that is properly funded, a social safety network that is there for people that require it, that depend on it, that have full right to expect it to be there; to have money for the roads that bring the trucks to resupply the mines, that bring exploration companies to the areas that they want to study; to see that environmental cleanup is done so that the past environmental messes that were left in this country are cleaned up, so that people are assured that it will never happen again; to see that there is economic development money available.
There is a considerable list of requirements that we need, and in particular we need to say to the federal government time and again, that we will continue to do that and take a positive attitude and believe that, as late as it is, there is still time for the federal government to partner with us as we are starting to partner with the Yukon, to work together so that we can truly maximize all the opportunities that wi