Debates of June 2nd, 1997

This is page numbers 1239 - 1277 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was - .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Report On The 1997 Western Premiers' Conference

Ministers Absent From The House

Seniors' Fossil Fuel Subsidy Program

NWT Protected Areas Strategy

Mine Training Committee

High School Graduation Ceremonies

Aklavik Flood Damages

Tribute To Mary Adele Sangris

Opening Meetings To The Public

Northern Participants In The Miss Canada International Competition

Plan 2000 Housing Program

Northern Employment Strategy

Tribute To Mary Adele Sangris

Empowerment Initiatives

New Land Development And Pricing Policies

Negotiated Contracts

Tribute To Winnie Pudnak

Return To Oral Question 421-13(4): Impact Of Digital Communications Contract

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Benefits Of Plan 2000

Sealift

Schedule For Pangnirtung School

Land Development And Pricing Policies

Compensation For Flood Victims

Fort Smith Regional Office

Tender Closing And Medevac Contract Award

Taloyoak Runway Extension

Role Of Canada Mortgage And Housing Corporation

Revised Constitutional Proposal

Southern Support For Northern Roads

Basic Income Support Funding

Arctic Monitoring Symposium

Environmental Update On Power Sites

Written Question 30-13(4): Outstanding Cmhc Debt

Return To Written Question 27-13(4): Grades Of Fuel In Use

Return To Written Question 23-13(4): Funding For Alcohol And Drug Treatment Programs

Committee Report 7-13(4): Standing Committee Of Government Operations Report Of The Working Group On Affirmative Action And Human Resource Management

Item 12: Reports Of Committees On The Review Of Bills

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Item 15: Notices Of Motions For First Reading Of Bills

Establishment Of Parks

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Honourable Don Morin , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable Manitok Thompson .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ningark . Good afternoon. Before we start, I would thank the Member for Natilikmiot , Mr. Ningark for serving in my place during the last week. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Morin .

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Minister's Statement 82-13(4): Report On The 1997 Western Premiers' Conference

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker and welcome back. Mr. Speaker, I am honoured today to provide Members with an update on what I consider to be a highly successful and productive three-day meeting with my colleagues from the four western provinces and the Yukon Territory. The 1997 Western Premiers' Conference had a heavy but vital agenda that covered a range of issues affecting the people who live in western Canada, and even more importantly, who live in Canada's north. Overall, I am pleased to report, the other Premiers are in full support of the Northwest Territories becoming more self-reliant and a vital member of Canada's political and economic landscape.

All five Premiers have personally offered support in our attempts to gain northern control over northern resources, as they recognize that our resources and our land play an important role in the future development of Canada. All five Premiers have agreed to support us in any way they can in our negotiations with Ottawa. More specifically, I have also gained their support in our efforts to convince the federal government to move Northern Affairs from Ottawa to the Northwest Territories.

In my discussions with them, they all agreed it makes little sense to have people making key decisions on mineral rights and programs in the north based in the south. They see and support the overall value of the move in improving decision-making as well as the more immediate value of having these individuals contributing to the northern economy. With that kind of support, we have a stronger chance of being heard in Ottawa.

Because now we not only are able to speak with the voices of the people in the north, we have the voice of the people of western Canada cheering us on and backing us up in our negotiations on issues and funding that affect our future.

I was also pleased to hear that the other provinces recognize the importance of economic development in the north and are directing their respective Ministers to meet to develop an action plan on northern economic issues. The Premiers acknowledge the constraints on northern economic development that result from lack of clarity on roles and responsibilities for program delivery. As they have at a previous conference, they also agreed that the federal government should fulfil its long-standing commitment to devolve remaining provincial-type responsibilities to territorial governments.

As part of our discussions on improving economic conditions in the north, we also talked about the importance of reliable, low-cost transportation systems to their economies. Overall, we all agreed the federal government, working with the provincial and territorial governments, should develop specific proposals for its National Highway Program. More importantly, the Premiers stated clearly that in developing funding arrangements for a National Highway Program, special consideration must be given to the needs of remote northern regions, which may have low traffic volumes, but which rely on the National Highway System for access, tourism and economic development.

The Premiers strongly support the Northwest Territories' efforts to gain federal support for a highway through the mineral-rich central Arctic or what we refer to as the Slave Geologic Corridor. Recognizing there is no surface access to the enormous potential that exists there, they agreed that it is in Canada's interest that this region be connected to the road, rail and port systems in the Northwest Territories, Alberta and British Columbia. As well, priority was also given to the highway in the Mackenzie Valley Corridor and one through the Yukon connecting Alaska to the four western provinces.

Mr. Speaker, as you can imagine in three days of meetings, both formal and informal, we covered a variety of important topics, ranging from youth employment to health and social reform. However, no matter what the topic, we agreed the western provinces and the territories must continue to work together to ensure we are heard at the national level. We have a unique perspective and unique needs. We will be going forward to the First Ministers' Conference in August with a strong voice and with a cohesive position on a number of issues facing Canadians today.

Overall, while we reached consensus on a variety of issues and agreed to work together on a number of initiatives, I believe the meeting was truly a success because our colleagues in western Canada are now recognizing and taking action to help support and secure the future of the north. They share in our belief that all Canadians have a vested interest in the future of the north and have pledged their support to work with us to help ensure that future is a strong one. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mahsi cho.

-- Applause

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Minister's Statement 82-13(4): Report On The 1997 Western Premiers' Conference

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Morin . Ministers' statements. Mr. Morin .

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Minister's Statement 83-13(4): Ministers Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to advise Members that the Honourable Kelvin Ng and the Honourable John Todd will be absent from the House today as they are attending to constituency matters in Cambridge Bay and Rankin Inlet. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 83-13(4): Ministers Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 84-13(4): Seniors' Fossil Fuel Subsidy Program

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, during the last session of this Assembly, a motion was passed to reinstate the Seniors' Fossil Fuel Subsidy Program. The motion also made several recommendations about how to revise the program. Since that time, the Department of Education, Culture and Employment has consulted with stakeholders to redesign the program so that it offers the best possible fit between the needs of NWT seniors and the financial constraints of this government. Today, I would like to again confirm to this Assembly that the subsidy will continue for this year, with a few changes.

Following the recommendations of the Standing Committee on Social Programs and the Seniors Advisory Council, the fuel subsidy will be indexed. The indexing system will use three delivery zones, which are based on the income support food allowance areas. Zone 1 includes communities in which the cost of living is the lowest, while Zone 3 includes the communities in which the cost of living is the highest.

Eligibility for the program will now be based on a household income test, rather than income of the homeowner. Because of this change, there will be no distinction between singles and families when determining eligibility. In the past, the income limit for single people was $12,972. The lowest limit of household income will now be $30,744 in Zone 1. The limit for household income in Zone 2 will be $35,000 and in Zone 3 it will be $39,000.

The department is proposing to find funds from within the existing Income Support Program to continue this program, rather than introduce any further actions, such as increasing the rents in public housing. Following the direction of the Standing Committee on Social Programs, the Department of Education, Culture and Employment is participating in the review of seniors' programs to ensure they are equitable and provide access to services for those who need them. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

-- Applause

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Minister's Statement 84-13(4): Seniors' Fossil Fuel Subsidy Program

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Ministers' statements. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Minister's Statement 85-13(4): NWT Protected Areas Strategy

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On August 8, 1996, the Premier and the federal Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development announced a joint commitment to develop a strategy for a system of protected areas for the NWT by the end of 1998. Through implementation of that strategy, a range of representative and unique areas will be protected to maintain the character and diversity of our land, while recognizing social and economic needs.

A conference in Inuvik was held in March which brought together over 100 representatives from aboriginal organizations, environmental groups, industry and government. They came to discuss the concept of a Protected Areas Strategy and to build partnerships. Generally those present supported the initiative and it became clear that although there is much to learn from the experiences of the jurisdictions adjacent to ours, the NWT must develop a plan specific to the needs and interests unique to northerners. Each region will have the opportunity to propose protected areas.

Where claims are settled, the land use planning process will be the most effective tool to advance ideas. Where claims are not settled, we will work with individual communities to develop the necessary tools and skills.

Mr. Speaker, this is an opportune time to develop a plan to protect some of the land that provides so much to us. Much of the NWT remains undeveloped and there is currently agreement between parties to work together to provide opportunities for future generations that include the sustainable development of natural resources and protecting areas for their special values. The document I am tabling today summarizes the ideas and concerns expressed at the Inuvik meeting. These ideas and concerns will guide the development of the next phases of the Protected Areas Strategy. Mahsi.

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Minister's Statement 85-13(4): NWT Protected Areas Strategy

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi .

-- Applause

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Minister's Statement 85-13(4): NWT Protected Areas Strategy

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 86-13(4): Mine Training Committee

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, late last year, I established the Mine Training Committee to provide me with recommendations on training and employment issues in the mining industry. One of the committee's mandates is to come up with ways that will get more northerners working in various aspects of the northern mining industry. The committee will also promote mining careers in schools and the colleges and will develop a promotional campaign to raise the profile and public awareness of mining in the NWT.

Committee members include the Dogrib Treaty 11 Council, the Metis Nation, Yellowknives Dene Band Council, a representative from the Kitikmeot region, BHP, Diavik Diamond Mines, Echo Bay Mines, Aber Resources, Women in Trades and Technology and the NWT Chamber of Mines.

The Mine Training Committee has been involved in planning Mine TAP every step of the way. I am very pleased with the initiative members of the committee have demonstrated through their work on the program. It is essential that in all our programs we match the employment needs of industry with training programs. I look forward to the continued success of the Mine Training Committee as it identifies and sets priorities that will translate into jobs for northern residents. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

-- Applause

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Minister's Statement 86-13(4): Mine Training Committee

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Members' statements. Mr. Ningark .

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Member's Statement 363-13(4): High School Graduation Ceremonies

Item 3: Members' Statements

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you Mr. Speaker, welcome back. On Saturday, May 24, 1997 Natalik School celebrated its first high school graduates since the inception of secondary programs in 1994. Several students who had previously dropped out of school returned to complete their high school education. The youngest graduates of the class of 1997 are 19 years of age and the two eldest are 29. The majority of the graduating students have already applied for post-secondary programs of study to begin in September. The community is very proud of these graduates and applaud the inception of a program which ensures a larger percentage of students will stay in school and go on to complete their secondary education.

Mr. Speaker, in previous years students were sent to Yellowknife for their secondary education. Because of the difficulties associated with living far away from their families and communities, most of these students dropped out of school. Very few graduated. With a local high school program, more and more young people are staying in school or are returning to school to complete their education. The Natalik School graduating class of 1997, on behalf of my colleague, I would like to congratulate those students and I would also thank Charlie Lyall for providing me the information.

They are: Kevin Iitoolook, John Ikilik, Sarah Jayko, Jennifer Karoo, Jayko Neeveacheak, Elaine Panigayak, Dora Quayaut, Lena Quayaut, Sally Takolik, Bonnie Tucktoo.

I will provide the names to the Clerk here for the Hansard. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

-- Applause

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Member's Statement 363-13(4): High School Graduation Ceremonies

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ningark . Members' statements, Mr. Krutko .

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Member's Statement 364-13(4): Aklavik Flood Damages

Item 3: Members' Statements

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to state that the flood conditions in Aklavik have receded in which the water is presently going down. The water is dropping, the ice has cleared out in the Husky Channel and in the East Channel. Mr. Speaker, my statement today is about the damage has occurred in the Mackenzie Delta, to people's property, especially cabins, in areas of the West Channel and also in the Mackenzie River system where the water was high.

Mr. Speaker, I will be asking the Minister a question later on about what type of relief is in place to assist hunters and trappers and individuals who may suffer damage because of conditions such as floods and incidents like that, similar to areas of Manitoba where there was federal assistance to relieve individuals for property damage there.

I would like to ask the Minister at the appropriate time a question on that matter, especially in relation to the incident that just occurred in the Mackenzie Delta where property was damaged in relation to people's cabins and whatnot along the Mackenzie River system and also in the Mackenzie Delta. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 364-13(4): Aklavik Flood Damages

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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Member's Statement 365-13(4): Tribute To Mary Adele Sangris

Item 3: Members' Statements

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this past week Detah suffered the loss of one of their respected and hard-working elders. Mary Adele Sangris lived a hard but rewarding life. She not only raised and supported her family of 15 children but also helped the community and supported her husband Joe who was chief of the community for over 30 years. Most of Joe's life was spent like most people of the day hunting and trapping in the bush and travelling far distances for caribou hunts. Mary Adele and the rest of her family were at his side most of the time.

During times of celebrations and meetings, Mary Adele would be cooking and helping her husband's guests feel welcome in their home and make sure no one was left out or went hungry.

Over the years she worked to make her community a safe and good place for her family and friends to work and live. She was also very active in supporting local politicians that ran for all levels of government. I know when I was originally elected in 1971 she worked to ensure that I received Detah's vote.

On Saturday the community, friends and family said goodbye to this great mother, friend and community supporter. The Dogrib region wishes to send our condolences to her family and know that she will be missed. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 365-13(4): Tribute To Mary Adele Sangris

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Rabesca . Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Member's Statement 366-13(4): Opening Meetings To The Public

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As today is the day of the federal election, I would like to make liberal use of my Member's statement and...

-- Laughter

-- Applause

...and make a brief comment about open government. Mr. Speaker, 19 months ago many of us were on the outside of this building looking in and we complained about decisions being made in the back rooms and many of us ran on platforms of open, accessible government. Since the election of the 13th Assembly we in fact have tried to open up our proceedings. We have substantially revised the committee structure as one way to do that.

Mr. Speaker, we faced a very difficult first two years dealing with budget cuts and other personnel matters related to restructuring but we are beyond the cuts now. We still continue to get a certain amount of flak about how we make decisions. In the Constitutional Working Group, for instance, we found out that it would be most wise for us to open up our meetings to the public and the media. The House, Mr. Speaker, is one forum for discussion. It is good for final decisions but the rules tend to restrict the flow of discussion on several topics. Mr.

Speaker, as I have done in the past and at other meetings, I would like to suggest that we try to open up committee proceedings as much as possible.

Mr. Speaker, in my opinion and from personal experience I can tell you that there is a lot of very good discussion that goes on in committees, the kind of discussion that would be very beneficial for the public to hear about the complexity of the issues we deal with and the very important matters that are before us. Clearly there will always be situations that are in camera, personnel matters, budgetary matters and other sensitive matters but a lot of things could be done and should be done that are open to the public.

Mr. Speaker, people tend to fear what they do not know and they tend to see bogeymen when they think things are done in secret. My experience is that once people know that things are open, the bogeymen tend to disappear. In my six years on town council, we opened up our meetings and we found out that lo and behold, once they were open people did not show up. They came only for the major issues.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Member's Statement 366-13(4): Opening Meetings To The Public

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Thebacha is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Member's Statement 366-13(4): Opening Meetings To The Public

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My colleagues are ruthless in their heckling on a Monday despite of the importance of this day. Mr. Speaker, most business in municipalities in committees is relatively routine, as it is in the Assembly. We talk about transparent, open government. As MLAs with the various issues we have dealt with and are continuing to deal with, we have found that one of the biggest issues is communication with the public and how we do that in an effective way. Committees provide one more way, in my opinion, to get information out and I think we are now ready to take that step. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

-- Applause

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Member's Statement 366-13(4): Opening Meetings To The Public

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Member's Statement 367-13(4): Northern Participants In The Miss Canada International Competition

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to take a minute today to congratulate two young northerners who have distinguished themselves in recent weeks. As you may have already noticed in today's issue of the News/North newspaper, we will be represented at the Miss Canada International competition next August by two people, Andrea Hansen of Inuvik and Karen McCaul of Yellowknife.

I am sure both of these young women will enjoy the pageant and will be excellent representatives for the Northwest Territories. As a side note, I would like to thank the Inuvialuit Regional Corporation for sponsoring Miss Hansen's attendance at the competition. I would also like to thank BHP Diamonds Inc., Creative Paper and Office Supplies, NWT Air and Force One, all of whom made donations to help Ms. McCaul who is still working on her fundraising. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

-- Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Members' statements, Mr. Picco .

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Member's Statement 368-13(4): Plan 2000 Housing Program

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you Mr. Speaker, welcome back. Mr. Speaker I would like to speak a little today about Program 2000. When first announced I was in support of the goal to house 2,000 families by the year 2000. In my riding of Iqaluit we are short over 70 social housing units. I think that the program can still help alleviate that shortage of housing but the guidelines that are in place are too lax.

Mr. Speaker, the guidelines are so loose, they are probably loose enough to drive a truck through them. Many constituents in good faith, Mr. Speaker, have applied for the program and have qualified but because of the demand and the amount of funds available many may now be turned down. The Housing Corporation in Iqaluit has been under tremendous pressure with the number of applicants and all will not be able to partake of the program.

The program was announced in response to the shortage of housing and because the federal government has withdrawn support to provide financing for new social housing construction. Maybe we rushed the program before all the logistics were in place. Now we are in a no win situation. Applicants will be upset, so will contractors. Our staff will have to bearers of bad news. Is there any possible way to rebase the fund to allow more people access? Has the government tightened up the criteria for qualifying? What will happen to the applicants that qualified earlier and now will not qualify if the new regulations are passed? Are we changing the rules after the game has started?

Mr. Speaker, the Housing Corporation is trying to alleviate the housing shortage but there have been some mistakes made. Later today I will be asking the Minister for Housing about the program and the regulations. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 368-13(4): Plan 2000 Housing Program

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1243

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Picco . Members' statements. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Member's Statement 369-13(4): Northern Employment Strategy

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1243

Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you Mr. Speaker, welcome back and good afternoon, colleagues. Mr. Speaker, last week the government announced the Northern Employment Strategy. I believe this two year program is a step in the right direction. As the Chairman of the Social Programs Committee, I have seen many problems we have today. Our jails are full, alcohol and drug use is very high and abuse is common. Many problems come because there are not enough jobs and the people do not have enough education. People who are not leading productive lives seem to have more social problems. Without things to do, people get into trouble.

The strategy has helped all kinds of people:

- There is help for craftsmen or hunters who need some tools or equipment;

- Small businesses can get assistance to get started or grow;

- People who would like to work can get help with training;

- Communities can develop much needed infrastructure while providing jobs for local residents;

- Local organizations can get much needed help as they provide work for students.

The Northern Employment Strategy is not the only answer. There are many other things we need to do, however, Mr. Speaker, it is a good start.

Mr. Speaker, northern residents and businesses should take full advantage of this program and when we reconvene in October, I hope the Minister will be able to announce an overwhelming response. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

-- Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Enuaraq . Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus

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Member's Statement 370-13(4): Tribute To Mary Adele Sangris

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Page 1243

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I also rise today to speak about an elder, Mary Adele Sangris who passed away. It seems like every week we hear about another elder passing away. This generation will soon be gone. On Saturday, I did attend Mary Adele Sangris' funeral in Detah. She passed away on May 28. Mary Adele was the mother of Chief Jonas Sangris of Yellowknives Dene First Nation and she was also the widow of former Chief Joe Sangris. She had just turned 85 years old the week before she passed away. She was the daughter of Jimmy Keskorie who was the head counsellor of the Yellowknives.

Head counsellor, of course, was next to the Chief and her mother was Julia Fishbone. Mary Adele is survived by her two sisters, Rosalie Paper and Georgina Drygeese and they were the only three surviving siblings out of ten children. Mary Adele and her late husband, Chief Joe Sangris had 15 children. Four daughters and four sons have passed away and she is survived by her three sons and four daughters along with 37 grandchildren and 33 great grandchildren. As her many friends will attest, Mary Adele was very hospitable and very generous. Many people from the surrounding communities would visit.

They would always say that she was very kindhearted and always helpful. I suppose in a testimony to this was the church in Detah was overflowing on Saturday and many people had to stand throughout the service. Mary Adele's late husband was the Chief of the Yellowknives Dene for 32 years when he passed away, still in office. Her son, Jonas Sangris has now been the Chief of the Yellowknife's Dene for ten years. He was counsellor for five years prior to that. Jonas often said that he regularly consulted with her on matters.

We can see that Mary Adele advised the leadership of the Yellowknives Dene for close to 50 years from looking at her late husband's and her son's leadership. She will be missed by the Yellowknives Dene leadership and her many friends and relatives. Thank you.

-- Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus . Members' statements. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Member's Statement 371-13(4): Empowerment Initiatives

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1243

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the dictionary definition of empowerment is to give official authority or legal power or to enable. The subject of empowerment has been brought up, debated and

conceptualized considerably by the 13th Assembly. There are three areas of empowerment that I would like to touch on today as they relate to the responsibilities and role of this government. Community empowerment has by far been the most focused on by our discussions. I still believe that we need to take a really common sense approach to how much and how fast we devolve responsibilities to communities.

At a time when government's functions in other jurisdictions much more populated than our own are realizing the benefits of consolidating community governments, we must be cautious in how far we go in devolving authority to communities with small populations. We need to ask ourselves if there are intermediate forms of consultation and participation that would achieve quality input.

I was very impressed with a meeting that I had recently in Hay River with all the regional directors from almost all departments. I thought the regional authorities and offices had a very good take and handle on the issues in communities in their region and particularly for regions with numerous small communities, I believe there is merit in devolving a lot more decision making authority and discretionary latitude to the regional offices as a stage in community empowerment.

Key premises for empowerment are the development of people and skills to allow them to take responsibility for themselves bringing decision making which may have been distant and inappropriate in the past closer to the recipients of the services, programs and infrastructure.

A recent

article in the Nunatsiaq News illustrates just how far we have to go yet in our northern society in another type of empowerment which gets talked about much less. That is the issue of individual empowerment. The writer of the editorial is chastising the petition makers of Iqaluit for their outrage regarding a local librarian's future. The writer raises the issues of children falling asleep hungry because parents cannot buy food. The kids begging for loonies in front of the local store so that they can stuff their aching bellies with candy.

Hundreds of people jammed into overcrowded disease-ridden houses or walking the streets with nowhere to live. If these conditions exist in Iqaluit and other northern communities given the amount of money that this government expends on every kind of program that you can imagine, it indicates to me that we have created a level of dependency on this government that we can no longer afford that can only be addressed by empowering individuals with the tools necessary to help themselves. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Member's Statement 371-13(4): Empowerment Initiatives

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Hay River is seeking unanimous consent to conclude her statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Mrs. Groenewegen , you have unanimous consent.

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Member's Statement 371-13(4): Empowerment Initiatives

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As a government, we can hopeful create the opportunities and encourage northerners to access those opportunities. I believe that when the issues of individual empowerment are addressed and talked about more, the other types of empowerment will begin to make a lot more sense. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Steen .

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Member's Statement 372-13(4): New Land Development And Pricing Policies

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1244

Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my statement is about the new land development and pricing policy of the GNWT. At this time, my concern is with the land pricing policy particularly. Mr. Speaker, over the past two years land leases for residential lots in the small communities went from a minimum of $100 per year to $250 per year. Under the new pricing policy, this cost will rise to $600 per year, minimum. The question is, why should the new pricing policy be applied to existing lots rather than only to the newly developed lots?

Mr. Speaker, I do not object to the present policy as it applies to the new lots. There was much discussion in the committees as to the new land development policy and the pricing policy being combined to work together where hamlets would be able to collect proper revenue in order to meet their payments for the loans that they would be purchasing. However, I object to the new policy as it applies to the old or existing lots in the communities because the new land pricing policy that we discussed, I was under the impression, did not apply to the old existing lots. I am not aware that this government had proper consultation with the communities before they put this in place.

I am also a bit concerned on one hand saying communities are empowered under community empowerment but on the other hand we say that the minimum you will charge for a lot is $600. That is like forcing something on them rather than them agreeing to it themselves. Therefore, at the appropriate time today, Mr. Speaker, I will be directing questions to the Minister of MACA on this subject. Thank you.

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Page 1244

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Henry .

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Member's Statement 373-13(4): Negotiated Contracts

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1244

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this afternoon I would like to speak about the always controversial but often misunderstood issue of negotiated government contracts. There are some, Mr. Speaker, who argue that negotiated contracts between the Government of the NWT and third parties are subject either to real or potential abuse and that this should be avoided and the termination of this practice finished.

Mr. Speaker, I believe that there are problems with the existing process as associated with negotiated contracts but I also believe that there are those problems which exist can be rectified provided that those responsible commit themselves to making modifications that will seriously address the existing issues. Failure to come to terms with the identifiable problems, Mr. Speaker, could jeopardize a continued effectiveness of a contracting tool which if properly used can be a useful vehicle for achieving legitimate public policy objectives in a sound business context.

Mr. Speaker, if the negotiated contract process is to be restored to an acceptable level of credibility, two things would have to take place. First, Mr. Speaker, the key ingredient that will have to be established is the responsible and transferred process that will permit Members of this Legislative Assembly and more importantly, the public to have a high level of confidence in the efficiency of negotiated contracts.

The second ingredient and arguably the most important one, is the need to revise the guidelines to strongly reflect sound business planning and the establishment of a contracting environment which will generate consistently sound business arrangements which will withstand the test of time.

There is little point, Mr. Speaker, in facilitating negotiated contracts which do not make good business sense. This not only hurts the financial health of the government but also damages the long term viability of business enterprises which lack the discipline to resist the instant gratification of the short term gain.

Mr. Speaker, one of the products of the flaws in this existing system is bureaucratic indifference to making the system work efficiently. I want to make it clear, Mr. Speaker, that I do not blame the program administrators for this. Having to administer a system which is inadequate to begin with and which is subject to abuse, leads to a situation where people just do not try as hard as they might otherwise to make things work. My point, Mr. Speaker, is that with proper, transparent guidelines and processes, we can challenge the bureaucracy to work. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Yellowknife South is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do I have any nays? You have one nay, Mr. Henry . You do not have unanimous consent. Members' statements. Mr. O'Brien .

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Member's Statement 374-13(4): Tribute To Winnie Pudnak

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1245

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the community of Baker Lake also suffered a death this week. The well respected resident from Baker Lake, Mrs. Winnie Pudnak, died this week. I would like my fellow colleagues to join me in offering our sincere condolences to her husband, Paul, and for the family. Thank you.

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Page 1245

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. O'Brien . Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Morin .

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Return To Oral Question 421-13(4): Impact Of Digital Communications Contract

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 1245

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Jane Groenewegen on February 28, 1997.

On February 28, Mrs. Groenewegen asked what arrangements have been made to ensure existing service providers are not negatively affected by the GNWT's contract for the electronic backbone. I want to assure Members that the process being undertaken to implement high speed telecommunications capabilities in the Northwest Territories has taken into consideration the implications the network may have for existing northern service providers. In fact, in many cases existing Internet providers will realize advantages from such a network.

The network will expand the opportunities for existing and new Internet service providers. They will have a very high speed, high quality network upon which to carry their data signals. Because of the capacity of this service, they will be able to offer a much larger range of services that depend upon higher speed communications. As a result of the extension of this service to every community in the Northwest Territories, they will be able to offer to their clients access to people and organizations in all communities. In addition, they will have the basis upon which to expand their scope of services to any other community, which today is only possible in the larger centres.

The contract negotiations currently under way with Ardicom Digital Communications Ltd. specifically deal with ensuring equitable access to the network for all entrepreneurs in the Northwest Territories. Unfair or anti-competitive pricing will in no way be supported by the government, and as well is subject to review by the Canadian Radio, Telecommunications and Television Commission.

As part of the negotiations, the government is ensuring that local and municipal level connections are separate from the backbone network that Ardicom will provide. In this way, local businesses will be able to compete for the opportunity to provide local connections, for example, using existing cable distribution systems or new wireless systems.

The government is committed to ensuring that high quality telecommunications are available to all communities and all residents in the Northwest Territories. We are attempting to do so with maximum participation from the private sector, and in a manner that provides benefits to all users in every community. Many opportunities will arise for local entrepreneurs to develop their business based upon the availability of this high quality backbone network.

Thank you.

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Return To Oral Question 421-13(4): Impact Of Digital Communications Contract

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 1245

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Henry .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 1245

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It would give me pleasure to introduce Mr. Al Brekke. Mr. Al Brekke is the new manager of Northlands Utilities in Yellowknife. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 1245

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Picco .

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Question 511-13(4): Benefits Of Plan 2000

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1245

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions are concerning my earlier Member's statement on Plan 2000. My question is to the Minister for the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation , Mr. Arlooktoo . Can the Minister, at this time, update this House and the Northwest Territories as a whole on Plan 2000?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation, Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Question 511-13(4): Benefits Of Plan 2000

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1246

Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, as the Member knows the government announced Plan 2000 during the last session as a way of trying to alleviate the severe housing shortage that we have in the NWT. The plan is to assist 2000 families by the year 2000 with this program. The Legislative Assembly, through various Members, had asked us to try to fast track the program and to get into as much construction as possible this summer. I am informed by the Housing Corporation that so far we have, in place, plans to assist over 500 families this summer. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Supplementary To Question 511-13(4): Benefits Of Plan 2000

Question 511-13(4): Benefits Of Plan 2000

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1246

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the concern here has been the regulations and the criteria for qualifying for the program. My supplementary question to the Minister, are the qualifying regulations and criteria being tightened up?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Question 511-13(4): Benefits Of Plan 2000

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1246

Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, the criteria for qualifying under EDAP remains the same, which is that applicants have to be 19 years or older, must have resided in the NWT for five years one year of which is continuous, prior to approval. There are other things such as family size that is used when prioritizing applicants. The criteria has remained the same. The next step after applicants are qualified under the criteria is how they get on the priority list.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1246

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Question 511-13(4): Benefits Of Plan 2000

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, some applicants have qualified and then have been screened out because of the prioritization that the Minister talked about. I wonder if the Minister could outline what are the priorities placed on the applicants on behalf of the NWT Housing Corporation? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Question 511-13(4): Benefits Of Plan 2000

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is true that in most areas we have far more applicants than those that we can provide assistance to, especially this first year. For example, in the Member's constituency where we have more than 60 applicants we can provide assistance to just a bit more of a quarter of that. So we have had to prioritize who we approve. The first applicant that we will approve are families in public housing, immediately after that are couples in public housing. We will also put on top of the list families in poor need with suitability or adequacy problems, and so on. There are seven criteria in the priority list, which I will be pleased to provide the Member in more detail.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Supplementary To Question 511-13(4): Benefits Of Plan 2000

Question 511-13(4): Benefits Of Plan 2000

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1246

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in my riding, which is one of the fastest growing communities in the north with an 18 percent growth over the past five years, the demand has certainly outstripped the availability of the money for the EDAP. My question to the Minister is, for the community of Iqaluit, is there any possibility of rebasing some other funds from other areas, which maybe have slippage in the EDAP program, so that the people in poor need in my community, where we are short 70 housing units, will be able to get access to this worthwhile program? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, on Wednesday of this week I will be tabling the results of our latest needs survey. It would be a good idea for the Assembly to, whether it is through committees or through Caucus, to discuss the survey in detail between now and the fall. If I could summarize the results, there will be no surprises. The situation has not become better. It is true that in Iqaluit we cannot assist as many people as we would like, but that is the case all over the Northwest Territories.

If there are any areas later on where we could adjust to other areas where there is further need, that will happen, but from what we can see right now, each of the districts will be using their full allotment this year.

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will be speaking in Inuktitut. I have a question to the Minister of Transportation , the Honourable Jim Antoine . In Pangnirtung the new school to be built will be sealifted to Pangnirtung this summer. I wonder if the Minister of Transportation would be able to find out from the transportation company if these building supplies could be sent in July? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yes the Department of Transportation will try to find out the shipping arrangements for the supplies for the school. Thank you.

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If the Minister is going to look into this transportation arrangement, would he be able to keep the community informed? Thank you.(Translation ends)

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yes, we will work with the communities and inform them as we find out the information. Thank you.

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Minister of MACA . As I said in my statement, in the small communities many of the residents are asking why the price of existing lots is being increased at this time rather than just the price for the lots of the new development areas? Thank you.

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As part of our business planning development and consistent with the government's community empowerment priority, MACA identified land reform as a major strategy change and the initiative involved devolving the responsibility for Commissioner's land within municipal boundaries to municipalities and recovering costs for land development and administration. There was a document I tabled earlier in the year, Finding the Right Balance: Options for Changing Land Development Practices.

I know that the department has been to the communities, consulting with the communities on this initiative and I realize it is hard to comprehend this initiative within the smaller communities. It was one of the initiatives when in our lands claims for Nunavut,

Article 14, states that all the land will now be under the municipal government in the communities and now the communities have that authority, to fix the pricing of those lots. We are working with the communities in regards to how to do land development in their communities and I realize that some communities, even though they have been consulted, probably need to be consulted again, but that is the initiative that is going on in land reform. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wish to make it clear that I think the residents understand that any existing lots that are being developed by this government and any new lots that would be developed under our Land Development Policy. People enter into these types of leases with open eyes. They know what they are getting into. The prices are fixed before they make an agreement. What we are talking about here is land that was developed previous to this government, even.

Land that was developed by Indian Affairs, but for one reason or another, was never sold to the person that is residing on the lot, either a waterfront lot or band land. Therefore, my question to the Minister is, why would this government see it necessary to increase the leases for these lots if they, themselves, have no applicable costs to these lots? Thank you.

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you. This was one of the items that we discussed in Finding the Right Balance: Option For Changing Land Development Practices. In there we are talking about credit for previous lease payments. What we are saying is that for existing lots, previous lease payments made on a lot could be credited against the correct replacement costs, historic replacement costs or standard lot price in an equity lease. For example, if a leasee has made lease payments for ten years on a $15,000 lot, $2,500 would be discounted. That is ten years times $250, leaving $12,500 outstanding without interest.

The outstanding balance is based on cost minus previous lease payments so there are options. The hamlet and the communities set the price on those lots. That is the option that they can look at. It is not that we are saying everybody has to pay a certain price, whether they are on old lots or on new lots. The hamlet sets the price of lots, not the government. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, could the Minister indicate whether the hamlets would be able to charge less than $600 a year per lot or could they charge any price they feel like for a lot, or is the price fixed by the policy? Thank you.

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. What we are trying to do here is work with the communities through a consultation process. We do have land administrators trained to deal with the community. We are trying to give the hamlets different options and work with them when they are setting the prices, so it is the call of the hamlet. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will waste my final supplementary on repeating the question. Will the hamlets be able to charge whatever they feel like for a lot, including less than $600 a lot? Thank you.

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do not have that detail in front of me so I will take that question as notice. Thank you.

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Question 514-13(4): Compensation For Flood Victims

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Premier . Mr. Speaker, in my opening statement I made reference to the flood conditions that the Mackenzie Delta find themselves in at this time of year but also in relation to the floods that have occurred in Manitoba and how the federal government was able to come to their assistance to assist individuals to cope with the loss. Mr.

Speaker, I would like to ask the Premier a question in regards to has this government made an attempt to meet with their federal counterparts to look and see if there is such a program available to the residents of the Mackenzie Delta in regards to their loss in relation to the flood that is occurring there now and the damage that is caused to individual's property such as cabins and cottages and whatnot in the Mackenzie Delta? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Premier , Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There is no flood compensation for cabins. Compensation is only given if a primary residence is lost. This is the same as being offered in Manitoba today. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In the case of individuals who may have a cottage lease or something of a similar nature, are they covered in that case?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, federal compensation is for primary residences only, the main residence of the person. It is not for cottages, cabins, trappers' cabins. That is our understanding of it. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regards to residence usage, especially around the Inuvik area a lot of individuals live down by the river and consider that as their residency because of the cost of living in Inuvik and also the privacy they would like to have. So there are individuals who live in their camps year round in the Inuvik area. Will those individuals be classified as residents who occupy those facilities year round?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Any individual who lives in their cabin or their camp year round and they consider that their primary residence, we will be pleased to work with those individuals on a case by case basis to see if we can get them compensation through the federal government program. We will do our best to assist them. All we need are the names and the requests. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to thank the Premier for agreeing to consider looking at those individuals. I would like to ask the Premier if he could also talk to the individuals in the region to assist people with processing of applications so they can get their claims in as soon as possible so the residents of the Mackenzie Delta will be able to identify those individuals and assist them in processing their applications? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Through the honourable Member, I would like to just say that if any of his

constituents or people in the Inuvik region have been flooded out and they feel that they are eligible for compensation, would they please contact the local MACA office and the MACA employees will be pleased to assist them. Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs . It is in regards to the regional office for MACA in Fort Smith. Could the Minister confirm in this House that the regional office for MACA in Fort Smith will be remaining in Fort Smith and that there are no plans to move it? Thank you.

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There is no plan to remove the position from Fort Smith. Thank you.

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Question 516-13(4): Tender Closing And Medevac Contract Award

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1249

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker and welcome back. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Premier . Mr. Speaker, is it normal practice of this government to allow seven, eight, nine months to pass after the award date of a contract or tender has expired? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Maybe the Member can clarify his question, I do not know what he is asking. Thank you.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, I will repeat my question. I am asking the Premier , is it a normal practice of this government once an expiry date or a date has been set for the awarding of a contract to allow seven, eight, nine months to pass without awarding that contract?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. No, it is not a normal practice of this government to allow seven to eight months to award a contract after the closing date. It normally takes about a month to six weeks to do that, and in some circumstances it may, I do not know.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, what conditions would have to exist in order for the awarding of a contract to be delayed by seven, eight, nine months?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If the Member could be specific to a contract that is taking that long then I can find out what conditions would have to exist, but he would have to let me know what he is talking about. Thank you.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, a situation exists in my region, the Keewatin region, where the awarding of a multi-million dollar contract, multi-year contract for the delivery of medevac services in the Keewatin. It is my understanding that the award date was sometime in October past, eight, nine months ago and it is my understanding also that to-date this contract has still not been awarded. Given the fact that it is a multi-million dollar contract, why has the contract not been awarded and what premium does this government pay with such a delay? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will be pleased to look into that issue for the Member and once I have all the fact I will make sure to give those facts to the Member. So I will take that question as notice. Thank you.

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The question was taken as notice. Oral questions, Mr. Ningark .

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Question 517-13(4): Taloyoak Runway Extension

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1249

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think Mr. Speaker, more so than any other Members of this House, I am glad to see you back.

-- Laughter

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the honourable Minister of Transportation . Mr. Speaker, we have had a number of discussions, myself, the mayor of Taloyoak, and the SAO, with the Department of Transportation and Arctic Airports regarding a runway in Taloyoak. Mr. Speaker, as the Minister realizes we have had many discussions. The people of Taloyoak in this case have put effort into the request of extending the runway of Taloyoak. We should be planning ahead, not going backward.

The runway of Taloyoak was shortened as a result of the new regulations of the Department of Transportation of this country. The hamlet of Taloyoak is willing to put $100,000 of their own money into the project. The hamlet of Taloyoak is willing to be negotiating the contract price per meter down. The community of Taloyoak is willing to provide hamlet equipment and staff at the base cost. The hamlet of Taloyoak, Mr. Speaker, is doing all the questioning and background research. Mr. Speaker, we have done our research at the community level. We have had numerous meetings with the Minister and his officials.

My question to the honourable Minister is, what is the status of the request of the community of Taloyoak? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Transportation , Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the recent responses to the community Taloyoak, I have informed the community that over the next few months the department would undertake a review of the runway length issue and that this review would be conducted in consultation with the community and the carriers, the air carriers themselves. Once all these factors are considered, we will then decide on the direction that we are going to take. As you know, Mr. Speaker, there have been a number of requests of the nature that my honourable colleague is mentioning.

Not only Taloyoak has requested us to look into it but other communities. As a result of that and because of the fiscal restraint that we have undertaken in this department, we have to review each request very carefully and then we would like to determine the strategy of some sort on how to move from here. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Supplementary to the same honourable Minister. As the Minister is aware in the eastern Arctic, in the Taloyoak area, the only means of transportation during the winter months, ten months out of the year, is by air. We do not have any highways up there. We do not have any waterways open during the ten months of the year. Given the effort put by the community of Taloyoak, I believe more so than any other community that are requesting the same project, how soon will the honourable Minister make his decision regarding which community should be getting funding or go ahead with their projects? Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it will take some time. I cannot really say exactly when, what time we will be able to have this information available. Mr. Speaker, we will have to look into considerations such as the present runway extension is determined based on the requirements of the carrier of choice which is the scheduled aircrafts serving the communities. At the present time, we are told by the air carriers that all runways in the NWT communities are long enough to meet the requirements of the aircraft serving them now and for the foreseeable future.

Based on that and at the same time based on the fiscal restraint that we are under, we wanted to look at this issue very carefully and determine all the factors that are there. Again, we would like to continue to work with the communities that have made these requests. At some point in time in the future, once we get this information in place, we will continue with this whole process here and decide at that point in time what we are going to do next. Thank you.

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Question 518-13(4): Role Of Canada Mortgage And Housing Corporation

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Page 1250

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation. We understand that many of the responsibilities that CMHC used to perform in the Northwest Territories have been assumed by the Government of the Northwest and particularly the NWT Housing Corporation. Could the Minister give us a little background as to what responsibilities, if any, NWT Housing Corporation will not have? In other words, could he tell us as to CMHC's responsibilities in the Northwest Territories now as opposed to GNWT's? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation, Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank the Minister for that information and I certainly will look forward to his further details on that transfer. The Minister mentioned that some of the responsibilities that CMHC presently has and obligations which they have to private individuals or businesses, did the Minister tell me that those would still be in place and that those businesses or individuals would still deal directly with CMHC as opposed to the Housing Corporation? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, yes, I can confirm that the role of underwriting mortgages especially through the five percent downpayment assistance that the CMHC has carried out over the last few years will continue. As I told Members of the House before, CMHC is releasing its responsibilities of delivering social housing to us, to the NWT and to all the other provinces and the Yukon Territory. The role of underwriting mortgages has not been transferred to any of the provinces or the territories. It is something that they are keeping. So, people who presently hold mortgages underwritten by CMHC will continue under the current arrangement that they have and there will be no changes under that program.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On the question of the $90 million plus liability that GNWT or NWT H