Debates of May 31st, 2004

This is page numbers 609 - 640 of the Hansard for the 15th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

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Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

World No Tobacco Day

Samuel Hearne Secondary School

Implementation Of The Protection Against Family Violence Act

Waste Reduction And Recovery Advisory Committee

The Northwest Territories Housing Corporation "from The Ground Up, Celebrating 30 Years"

Metis' Access To Federal Programs And Services

Impacts Of Increasing Costs Of Fuel And Power

Dedication Of Community Service Non-government Organizations

Benefits Of Tourism

Benefits Of A Mortgage Investment Corporation

GNWT Strategic Plan

Maintenance Enforcement Concerns

Sport North Annual General Meeting

Mental Health Addictions Program

Congratulations To Nunakput Super Soccer Team

Lack Of GNWT Support To Persons With Disabilities

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Proposed Sport And Recreation Council

Maintenance Enforcement Policies

Metis Access To Aboriginal College Entrance Program

Students Suspended From School

Mortgage Investment Corporation

Treatment Of Persons With Developmental Disabilities

Rising Fuel Prices And Power Rates

Supplementary Health Benefits For Seniors

Mental Health Addictions Program

Tabled Document 46-15(3): Government Of The Northwest Territories Annual Report On The Affirmative Action Policy, March 31, 2004

Tabled Document 47-15(3): Ministerial Travel Report, January - March 2004 And Home Travel Report, January - March 2004

Tabled Document 48-15(3): Members' Conduct Guidelines

Tabled Document 49-15(3): Cbc Special Report Transcript - Friday, May 28, 2004

Tabled Document 50-15(3): Report Of The Chief Electoral Officer On The Administration Of The 2003 General Election

Tabled Document 51-15(3): Northwest Territories Information And Privacy Commissioner, Annual Report, 2002-2003

Pursuit Of Provincehood For The Northwest Territories

Appointment Of The Equal Pay Commissioner

Revocation Of Appointment To The Executive Council

Recorded Vote

Bill 7:

An Act To Amend The Legal Profession Act

Bill 8: Miscellaneous Statutes Amendment Act, 2004

Bill 9: Write-off Of Assets And Debts Act, 2004

Bill 10: Forgiveness Of Debts Act, 2004-2005

Bill 11: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 1, 2004-2005

Bill 12:

An Act To Amend The Education Act

Bill 11: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 1, 2004-2005

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 21: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Mr. Allen , Honourable Brendan Bell , Mr. Braden , Mr. Delorey , Honourable Charles Dent , Mrs. Groenewegen , Honourable Joe Handley , Mr. Hawkins , Honourable David Krutko , Ms. Lee , Honourable Michael McLeod , Mr. Menicoche , Honourable Michael Miltenberger , Mr. Pokiak , Mr. Ramsay , Honourable Floyd Roland , Mr. Villeneuve , Mr. Yakeleya , Honourable Henry Zoe

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

David Krutko

Colleagues, I would like to draw your attention to the visitors' gallery and recognize the Honourable Peter Lougheed, former Premier of Alberta from 1971 to 1985. Some of Mr. Lougheed's achievements are he's a member of Queen's Counsel, Honourary Chief of Thunderbird Cree Indians, Honourary Chief of the Blood Indians, and also Queen's Privy Council of Canada and companion of the Order of Canada. It's a real honour to have Mr. Lougheed with us today. Welcome to the House and welcome to the Northwest Territories.

---ApplauseI would also like to recognize a former Speaker of the House, Mr. Tony Whitford. Welcome back. We've missed you.

---Applause

Also, Dene National Chief Noeline Villebrun is here. Welcome to the House.

---Applause

Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Minister's Statement 32-15(3): World No Tobacco Day

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today is World No Tobacco Day. I would like to make use of this opportunity to recognize the work that is being done to create a smoke-free society in the NWT.

Mr. Speaker, there are numerous examples of people and communities working to a common goal of a smoke-free society:

• A new campaign targeting school children is using a character named Butthead to encourage kids to commit to be smoke-free. This campaign has only been running for a few weeks and already about 1,340 kids have made the commitment;

• New health units have been developed that discuss the effects of smoking. They will be in schools in September;

• Almost all workplaces are now smoke-free through the action of the Workers' Compensation Board of the NWT and Nunavut;

• This winter, students across the North took

part in an initiative called Smoke Screening. They watched some of the best anti-smoking ads from around the world and voted on their favourite. We will announce the winner later today, and put it on northern TV;

• The 2nd annual Quit and Win Contest, sponsored by the NWT/Nunavut branch of the Canadian Public Health Association, has encouraged hundreds of people to try quitting. This year's winner was Kenneth Hoddinott. I would also like to congratulate his buddy and wife, Cheryl Fountain, who also succeeded in quitting during the contest.

But even with all of this good work, it is clear that we will still have a long way to go. The average age when NWT children start to smoke is 12 or 13.

Mr. Speaker we need to reach those children before they become smokers. We will be taking that message to youth events around the territory this summer, and continuing into next year. We have a new anti-smoking video that will be used in schools, and kids from across the NWT are wearing "Don't be a Butthead" T-shirts that they received when they committed to be smoke-free. This is a light-hearted theme that has a very serious message. Cigarettes are killing us. It's estimated that second-hand smoke kills 3,600 Canadians every year. It's time to change that. Mr.

Speaker, the department is proposing tobacco legislation that will back up community, regional and territorial efforts to create a smoke-free society. It will complement the new Workers' Compensation Board's regulations on environmental tobacco smoke in the workplace.

I look forward to working with the communities and the Members of this House to make these projects successful. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 32-15(3): World No Tobacco Day

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 2, Ministers' statements. Minister Roland .

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Minister's Statement 33-15(3): Samuel Hearne Secondary School

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to outline the steps being taken by the Department of Public Works and Services with respect to the Samuel Hearne Secondary School in Inuvik.

First of all, let me state my appreciation for the combined efforts of those involved, which has resulted in getting students back to class.

Although the classroom portion of the school is back in operation, a great deal needs to be done. Much of the repair work is only temporary. More permanent solutions are required. The foyer and gymnasium remain unusable, and options are being considered to restore them. Considerable work is underway to address these issues.

Mr. Speaker, we have also turned our attention to examining the events that occurred and identifying the lessons that can be learned. A forensic analysis addressing structural and design issues was conducted immediately after the collapse of the roof and we are expecting that report very soon. Also for insurance purposes, an assessment of costs from both the roof and fire damage is underway.

Additionally, we will be conducting a review of the activities leading up to the event as well as the response to it, to identify any errors that were made and any changes that are needed in the policies and procedures of Public Works and Services. To ensure that this review is as thorough as possible, a qualified third party will be called in to conduct it. The department will also carry out a risk assessment of other buildings across the Territories to identify anywhere snow load may present a danger.

Mr. Speaker, as I stated earlier in this House, it is imperative that we learn from this near tragedy and ensure that such events do not happen again. This was a very serious incident with only one injury and that was a result of the fire. But even one injury is one too many and we are taking concrete steps to ensure that all of our public buildings and safe and secure. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 33-15(3): Samuel Hearne Secondary School

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 2, Ministers' statements. Minister of Justice , Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 34-15(3): Implementation Of The Protection Against Family Violence Act

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to provide an update to Members of the Legislative Assembly on the Department of Justice's work to implement the Protection Against Family Violence Act.

This act, passed during the 14th Legislative Assembly, provides for 24-hour access to emergency protection orders when there is

an act, or threat of family violence. It also provides victims of family violence with long-term protection orders.

Anyone who has lived, or is living, in a family or intimate relationship with the accused will be able to apply for protection under this act. For example, this could include a spouse, former spouse, parent, grandparent or someone who has had a child with the offender.

I am committed to making the protections under this act available as quickly as possible and plan to have the act in force in early 2005. The Department of Justice is in the final stage of hiring a coordinator who will be dedicated to implementing this act.

The coordinator will work with an advisory committee formed by the department to assist with the implementation. This committee includes the RCMP, YWCA, the Department of Health and Social Services, the Native Women's Association and the Yellowknife Health and Social Services Authority.

Over the next six months, the Department of Justice will develop training material and assist in training members of the RCMP, justices of the peace, courts staff and other frontline service providers. The Department of Justice will also provide public education material and develop a system for monitoring and evaluating the Protection Against Family Violence Act.

This is an important piece of legislation that the Department of Justice wants to implement as quickly as possible. However, it must be done properly so that a system is in place to ensure these protections are available to all residents. This work is underway and I look forward to a timely and effective implementation of the Protection Against Family Violence Act.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 34-15(3): Implementation Of The Protection Against Family Violence Act

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 2, Ministers' statements. The Minister of RWED , Mr. Bell .

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Minister's Statement 35-15(3): Waste Reduction And Recovery Advisory Committee

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased today to announce the members of the Waste Reduction and Recovery Advisory Committee. They are:

• Mr. Greg Rowe of Hay River Liquor Retailers & Tri R Recycling;

• Mr. Ron Courtoreille of the NWT Liquor Commission;

• Ms. Stephanie Sibbeston from Fort Simpson;

• Mr. Bob Weaver of Territorial Beverages Ltd.;

• Mr. Kevin O'Reilly of the NWT Association of Communities;

• Mr. Raymond W. Masse of the Inuvik Recycling Society;

• Mr. Jack Walker of Peterson and Auger Ltd.;

• Ms. Katherine Silcock of the City of Yellowknife; and,

• Mr. Joe Agrey of the NWT Motor Transportation Association.

Members will recall that the establishment of the advisory committee was identified in the new Waste Reduction and Recovery Act to provide advice on the establishment and operation of waste recovery programs delivered by this government.

I am confident this committee, with qualified representation from industry, business, municipalities and environmental organizations, will play a vital role in the establishment of our first proposed program, the beverage container recovery program.

The committee held its initial meeting in May and identified the need to develop a full listing of beverage container distributors and importers. The listing will help to ensure that all beverage distributors, manufacturers and importers are treated equally and fairly when the program is implemented later this year.

Mr. Speaker, this government remains committed to providing residents with the opportunity to recycle wastes that would otherwise be disposed in local landfills.

The success of any program, however, will depend on the participation and support of the residents of the Northwest Territories. The Waste Reduction and Recovery Advisory Committee will be instrumental in ensuring the necessary support and participation in this important endeavour. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 35-15(3): Waste Reduction And Recovery Advisory Committee

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 2, Ministers' statements. The Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation , Mr. McLeod .

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Minister's Statement 36-15(3): The Northwest Territories Housing Corporation "from The Ground Up, Celebrating 30 Years"

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, it is with great honour that I inform this House of an important milestone that the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation has reached. On October 1st of this year, the corporation will celebrate its 30th anniversary. Thirty years ago, the goal of the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation was to create innovative housing programs based on need and environment and make available the best possible standards of housing to all residents of the NWT. Thirty years later our goal is still the same and we have made significant strides in improving and supplying housing in the NWT.

Communities in the Northwest Territories have been visibly transformed over the last 30 years. New houses have replaced homes where families once lived in crowded conditions, seniors are enjoying uniquely designed seniors' complexes, and public housing units have been renovated to provide safe environments for singles and families.

In 1974 we offered seven programs. Today the Housing Corporation offers 16 diverse programs to meet the unique needs of all residents. The corporation in partnership with local housing organizations have developed and delivered many successful housing programs, enabling families, singles and seniors to have access to suitable, adequate and affordable housing.

Housing continues to be in high demand, especially in a growing and developing economy. This presents us with many challenges and to meet these challenges, the corporation will work closely with residents at the community level, Members of this House and the business community.

As the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation looks back over the past 30 years, it has reason to be proud of its record. As a result of its efforts, more people are living in better housing.

The corporation, however, is not resting on its laurels, but is continuing to move ahead. The corporation continues to foster emerging housing markets, strengthen its partnerships, and develop more housing opportunities.

The corporation and its partners will be celebrating accomplishments in various ways throughout the upcoming year. I look forward to visiting a number of communities and personally recognizing the outstanding work done by corporation staff and local housing organizations. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 36-15(3): The Northwest Territories Housing Corporation "from The Ground Up, Celebrating 30 Years"

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The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for the Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Metis' Access To Federal Programs And Services

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

The failure of the federal government to recognize and provide a safe process to access programs and services to the Metis as an office to status Indians is unacceptable. It is even more unacceptable, Mr. Speaker, that the Government of the Northwest Territories is forced to follow the federal policies and return it as a royalty for the federal programs to be delivered on their behalf. The Government of the Northwest Territories has taken many steps to address this issue. It has to walk many more miles.

One example is the extension of the health benefits to Metis people that matches those available to status Indians and Inuit. This is a positive and proactive approach that recognizes Metis people. This approach needs to be applied to the student financial assistance program as it relates to the Metis people. The Department of Education, Culture and Employment has extended the same access to core funding on student financial assistance for the Metis as enjoyed by the status Indians and Inuit. Unfortunately, Mr.

Speaker, the federal government does not treat student financial assistance to the Metis the same as goes to the status people on the income tax. This has the effect of making this acknowledgment of the Metis rights a largely symbolic gesture.

Student financial services program delivers a university/college entrance program on USEP on behalf of the federal government. As its name implies, USEP is a two-semester program that gives status Indians rights to attend and succeed in post-secondary institutions.

Mr. Speaker, to paraphrase the old Five Man Electrical Band song, long hair and Metis need not apply. Seriously, Mr. Speaker, I cannot fault the Department of Education, Culture and Employment for this, they are simply following the criteria of eligibility imposed by the federal government. However, this does not mean that there is not a problem that needs to be addressed. There is a gap between adult literacy basic education and entering post-secondary institutions. The USEP program addresses this for status Indians. What program is this for Metis programs? Perhaps, Mr.

Speaker, it is time to set up another parallel process like the Metis health benefits for the university/college entry program and offer it to Aurora College. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Metis' Access To Federal Programs And Services

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 3, Members' statements. Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Impacts Of Increasing Costs Of Fuel And Power

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Mr. Speaker, we have recently seen a huge increase in the price we pay for fuel. Indications are that prices will continue to rise in the future. This situation is causing difficulties for people in the North no matter where they live. However, Mr. Speaker, I am very concerned that the rise in fuel prices is causing additional hardships for certain residents of the Northwest Territories, but not for all. I am referring to those people who live in smaller communities where electrical power is supplied by diesel fuel generators. These people will soon be bearing an extra burden not shared by everyone.

Not only will they have to pay more for gasoline and heating fuel, but they will also have to pay more for electricity too.

This situation is especially serious for elders and other people on a fixed income. Already, power rates in smaller communities are substantially higher than here in Yellowknife. In my riding of Nahendeh, people are paying anywhere between 340 to 820 percent more than people in Yellowknife pay for their electricity. The Northwest Territories is the only jurisdiction in Canada where residents are asked to pay different rates for their power. Everywhere else, people pay one rate whether they live in the North or South, urban or rural areas, in small communities or in large. They are not penalized for choosing to live in certain areas.

Mr. Speaker, I was to go on record today as supporting the single price zone for power rates in the Northwest Territories where everyone pays the same rates. We have to wonder when we look at the rest of the country and see that we are out of step with everyone else, especially we have to wonder when the approach we are taking affects our citizens so disproportionately. Something is very wrong, Mr. Speaker. We have to change the way we are doing business, otherwise we may soon have a crisis on our hands. Mr. Speaker, I will be asking the Minister responsible, during question period, for some thought of what our government is planning to do. Mahsi.

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Impacts Of Increasing Costs Of Fuel And Power

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 3, Members' statements. Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Dedication Of Community Service Non-government Organizations

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, throughout the Northwest Territories we have many organizations and volunteers who work tirelessly to improve the lives of others. As a government, we do what we can to support the needs of our people. Above and beyond that, non-government organizations, service groups and volunteers contribute work and results of immeasurable value. In Hay River this past Saturday night, we again saw a vivid demonstration of that dedication to communities. Each year, for the past 20 years, the Hay River Knights of Columbus have hosted a lobster fest.

Hundreds of live lobsters from the East Coast are flown in, courtesy of Canadian North for the last leg of their trip from Edmonton to Hay River, and are prepared, boiled and cooked by volunteers. This year again, around 700 people attended. The Knights of Columbus have this down to a science. Everyone was served a delicious four course meal in 42 minutes serving time. This in itself is a remarkable feat.

Over the past 20 years, the Knights of Columbus have not only provided a wonderful opportunity for people to get together for lobster, entertainment and dancing, they have, in doing so, been able to contribute approximately $300,000 to youth programs in our communities. This year again, the students and staff volunteers of the Diamond Jenness Secondary School were able to showcase their talents as they delivered an outstanding song and dance ensemble called, "The History of Rock and Roll." Following that, dancing to the tune of a live band made sure that everyone worked off a little bit of that delicious meal.

I would like to recognize and thank all of the volunteers and corporate sponsors. There is one person, however, who has been there every year for all 20 consecutive years and, to my mind, is a key contributor to the success of this event. This person is my constituent and my honourable colleague from Hay River North, Mr. Paul Delorey .

---Applause

I would ask, Mr. Speaker, yourself and my colleagues in this House to recognize this as a testament to exemplary community service. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 3, Members' statements. Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Benefits Of Tourism

Item 3: Members' Statements

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today, I rise in the House to bring attention to Tourism Awareness Week which, because of the short sitting of this House, I will have to recognize today. That is from June 20th to 26th of this year. Organized by the Tourism Industry Association of Canada around the theme, "Tourism makes Canada Smile," it is aimed at raising the awareness of the tremendous economic and social benefits of a $52 billion industry that keeps 1.6 million Canadians working, supports economic and community development, and generates significant tax revenues for all levels of government.

Tourism Week celebrates Canada's tourism industry and highlights the importance of this vital sector of the economy, our quality of life and our understanding and appreciation of other cultures. The positive economic impacts of tourism are pursued and enjoyed by Canadian communities large and small in all regions, from whale watching charters off the East Coast, to ski resorts in the West, to watching the northern lights in Canada's Arctic. The tourism industry creates employment, supports community and economic development and generates tax revenues for all levels of government. Tourism is big business in Canada and a key driver of our economic growth and prosperity.

But the benefits of tourism go far beyond the tangible return it generates year in and year out for the Canadian economy. Tourism also contributes in significant ways to the quality of life enjoyed by all Canadians. It not only provides a variety of employment opportunities, but supports a wealth of cultural experiences, historic

discovery and outdoor activities, whether we travel to them or enjoy them in our own backyards. Think of that. They are much a part of life in our local communities, but whose very existence is ensured and vitalized by our out-of-town visitors.

Canada's excellent tourism infrastructure, transportation, accommodations, attractions, facilities and services today enable us to access and visit more of our great country than ever before. When we do, we get to meet Canadians from other parts of the country and share their experiences. Exploring Canada gives us a greater sense of place that enhances our pride and elevates our spirit. Perhaps it is through this kind of sharing and exchange that tourism has its most enduring impact, encouraging greater knowledge and understanding among and between people. Globally, tourism contributes to the peaceful resolutions of differences.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Benefits Of Tourism

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The Speaker

David Krutko

The Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You can conclude your statement.

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Benefits Of Tourism

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Tourism gives Canada a lot to smile about. Tourism Week is a time to celebrate all that tourism does for us. Canada's tourism industry makes a significant contribution to Canada's economy, to a standard of living as a nation and to the quality of life of all Canadians who have much in our territory to be proud of and support in our tourism industry. During the week of June 20th to 26th, remember that tourism does make Canada smile. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 3, Members' statements. Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. Allen .

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Benefits Of A Mortgage Investment Corporation

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Roger Allen

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am certainly glad to see that the Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation has made a fine statement in the context of housing demands in the Northwest Territories. I am going to

preamble my Member's statement by reading a Minister's statement by saying, "Housing continues to be in high demand, especially in the growing and developing economy. This presents us with many challenges and to meet these challenges, the corporation will work closely with residents at the community level, Members of this House and the business community." And, second to that, "The corporation continues to foster emerging housing markets, strengthen its partnerships, and develop more housing opportunities."

Mr. Speaker, it seems like the Minister has some sort of intuition when it comes to housing, so I want to follow that through with my Member's statement by saying that my electoral district of Inuvik Twin Lakes consistently stresses they need to make progressive changes in our socioeconomic policies with emphasis not only in revising policy. In the context of the Minister's statement, one area we need to begin to develop is a mortgage investment corporation for the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, the first step in trying to achieve a mortgage investment corporation is to seek legal advice as to whether an NWT mortgage investment corporation requires a charter of its own. It may only require a clear definition of its powers.

Mr. Speaker, we feel that a mortgage investment corporation with lending powers that will stimulate a fast approach to the construction of adequate and affordable priced housing. If a trend analysis methodology which will be used is an indicator, this will not only allow for more individuals to purchase homes, but also includes the development of a housing market and a positive benefit for the building sector as well.

Mr. Speaker, my study of housing across the circumpolar world touches Norway. The Norwegian State Housing Bank provides sole support to its policy about providing loans and grants. It provides purchase loans, personal loans and various grants. Loans and grants are primary...(inaudible)...through municipalities.

I know the NWT Housing Corporation has already provided this level of detail through its homeownership programs, but certainly from an economic investment perspective, it remains a costly subsidy. I may remind Members that it is a costly subsidy.

Further, Mr. Speaker, the MIC will also be an investment arm to provide professional staff housing under

section 24, paragraphs (1)(

f) of the NWT Act. This would provide for an economic initiative for other department staff who rent or buy directly from the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement. Thank you.

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Benefits Of A Mortgage Investment Corporation

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The Speaker

David Krutko

The Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You have unanimous consent to conclude your statement.

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Roger Allen

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker and fellow colleagues. Mr. Speaker, these are just a few positive steps this government should consider in the overall strategy to improve the programs in the system of the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation. It should take a script from the Norwegian State Housing Bank which administers housing allowances that allocate the families with children and retired people with low incomes and who endure hardships and other areas of economic ability to pay for, such as high power rates.

Mr. Speaker, I hope this helpful advice will be taken seriously by the Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation which contributes to the government's overall strategic plan. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Item 3, Members' statements. Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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GNWT Strategic Plan

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to talk today about the strategic plan of this government presented by the honourable Premier , Mr. Handley , on May 26th. In previous sessions, I presented the issue of legal aid as one of my highest priorities. I

repeatedly mentioned there are constituents of mine who have waited over six months to receive assistance. I believe that this period is too long to expect families in crisis to wait. I am pleased that the government agrees with my position. Mr. Handley announced that, during the presentation of the strategic plan, and I quote, "We will be seeking supplementary funding during the current session to open a separate legal aid clinic dedicated to family law." The government's position on legal aid, the steps that are being taken to lessen the waiting time to receive assistance, as well as their commitment for a fall implementation is, in my opinion, very commendable.

Mr. Speaker, I further would like to note that I will formally put this government on notice that for the next little while I will not be pounding my fist on the legislature's table, because I truly have seen positive action to deal with this crisis. So, Mr. Speaker, I will be off dealing with other burning bushes.

---Laughter

We will see what comes from there. Finally, Mr. Speaker, I will say that I truly and humbly look forward to working with the Minister of Justice because he truly is a Minister who will work with Regular Members on any legal aid progress.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, colleagues, for showing your support of that Minister, I am sure. Mr. Speaker, in closing, I just want to thank the government for taking the initiative of creating this legal aid clinic. I could truly believe that there will be a new functional legal aid clinic that would bring much needed program and progress for our community. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Maintenance Enforcement Concerns

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Paul Delorey

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today, I would like to address the situation that occurred recently to a single mom in Hay River, one that causes me a great deal of concern and raises many questions around maintenance enforcement. Mr. Speaker, the lady I refer to is a single mom with three children to support who has gone through the courts for some time for financial help. She is currently not receiving anything in the way of maintenance enforcement payments, as the father of the children is in arrears with maintenance enforcement.

Recently, Mr. Speaker, the sheriff's office commenced a seizure of some of the dad's goods in order to pay down some of the maintenance arrears. The mom was told that she should be provided with the proceeds from the sale of the goods. Here comes the kicker, Mr. Speaker. The goods were sold at auction. After all was said and done, the single mom with the three kids realized nothing by way of monies from the sale. Mr. Speaker, I was informed that it is standard practice for the sheriff's office to charge a fee for seizing the goods and for storage of such goods.

This is why the single mom did not receive any of the money from the auction. Mr. Speaker, to my way of thinking, the sheriff is an employee of this government. As such, any work he carries out in the performance of his duties should be just the cost of doing business. That should not be borne on the backs of single moms. Mr. Speaker, I would think that surely we, as a government, can come up with another solution to address single moms who are struggling to make ends meet. They should not be doubly burdened as a result of actions from this government. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Sport North Annual General Meeting

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. This past weekend, about 60 dedicated sports volunteers from many communities gathered in Yellowknife for the annual meeting of the Sport North Federation and its partner organizations from various regions and sectors in the territory. They represent some 25 sporting organizations that bring the views and interests of thousands of northerners to the table, Mr. Speaker. These people range from youngsters just getting started in organized competitive sport, to elite athletes who could be carrying Canada's flag in the future world Olympics.

Sport North is also the body that organizes and manages the NWT's participation in the Arctic Winter Games. They raise funds for this through the generosity of many corporate sponsors and the proceeds of the Western Canadian Lottery, as the licensed agent on behalf of this government. It is important to recognize the partnership that our government has with the Sport North Federation, Mr. Speaker, and not only for the Arctic Winter Games, but many other programs and services.

The organization is a tremendous example of our volunteers. The world of sport and recreation here in the NWT would be nothing without the hundreds of deeply committed coaches, officials and workers who give freely of their days and weeks, Mr. Speaker, every year in the communities. This is a volunteer body that is an incredibly important constituency to us all. It is one that we could never afford to replace. I believe that we are putting these people and their volunteer commitment at risk, Mr. Speaker. A major concern to them is the revamping of the sport and recreation system through the proposed new Sport and Recreation Council.

I want to compliment the Premier , Mr. Speaker, who, having just taken on the duties of Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, appeared before the annual general meeting this weekend. I think he was the first Minister, let alone Premier , to do that in the last three or four years, and he's to be complimented. But he heard very clearly that the sport volunteers just don't understand the problem that the government is trying to fix with this new governing body. They believe the government is imposing an answer to a problem which has yet to be clearly defined and substantiated.

They ask whether a new organization will impose new costs and how their role as volunteers will be affected with the delivery of sport programming across the North. Above all, Mr. Speaker, they seek a degree of recognition and respect that at least matches their dedication to sport and healthy living in the North. Thank you.

---Applause

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David Krutko

Item 3, Members' statements. The Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Mental Health Addictions Program

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to speak today on the way the mental health and addictions program is being rolled out in communities. Mr. Speaker, this is a program that I have supported and I believe it's a very good thing that the government has allocated new money and more money to put resources in this area. I believe, also, Mr. Speaker, that it is important that we do it in a way that meets the needs of our local communities and at the same time maximizes the local employment opportunities wherever possible.

Mr. Speaker, the information I have is that the GNWT contribution agreement that's been rolled out requires that the people who are hired for these positions have to have a minimum of Bachelor of Arts and Social Sciences with three years of relevant counselling experience or a diploma in Psychiatric Nursing with three years of relevant experience. Mr.

Speaker, I totally appreciate and understand that we need to have people qualified for their jobs, whatever they may be, but we should also note that in this case these qualifications that the contribution agreement is asking for would most certainly exclude anybody who's in the community who might be interested in this job. Anybody who has these qualifications, I would submit to you, is already employed or, unless the new money being offered is very high, they're not going to be willing to transfer.

Mr. Speaker, I think it's important that whenever we roll out programs and put more resources we need to build capacity that goes with those resources. What I'm really concerned with is that there are currently no training programs in the department or within our school system that would be able to bring the people that we already have available who can qualify for this training program so they can be trained rather than setting up job requirements that we know to be either beyond, or we just don't have people to fill these jobs in communities.

We have full employment or something close to full employment, and I can tell you that a psychiatric nurse with psychiatric training is hard to come by, even at Stanton Territorial Hospital.

So, Mr. Speaker, I would urge this government and the Minister of Health and Social Services to revisit the way in which he is introducing this program and rolling out this program because in the end, if there's no buy-in from the communities with respect to this program and they feel that they can't have their local people working on it, it is not going to result in success. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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David Krutko

Item 3, Members' statements. The Member for Nunakput , Mr. Pokiak .

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Congratulations To Nunakput Super Soccer Team

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Calvin Pokiak

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to congratulate constituents in my Nunakput riding. Congratulations to the athletes who attended the Super Soccer tournament here in Yellowknife, which was held from April 29th to May 4, 2004. Kim Deniger, a member of the RCMP, was the coach and took seven students with her. They are: Zane and Jonathan Kuneyuna, Anthony Alanak, Nathan Okheena, Nathan Pogotak, Logan Memogana, and Zackery Kunana.

Mr. Speaker, with this being their first time attending this tournament they did not win any of the games, but I'm proud to say they did receive an outstanding trophy. I would like to recognize their sponsor, who helped them raise $10,000 for the expenses to join in this event. They are Devon, ConocoPhillips, First Air, Helen Kalvak Elihakvik School, the Hamlet of Holman, the Holman District Education Authority, Inuvialuit Development Corporation, the local church and the community volunteers who helped at bake sales.

Mr. Speaker, there are two students from Mangilaluk School in Tuktoyaktuk who I wish to acknowledge. They are Shaeli Pokiak and Chelsey Jacobson. They won in their division and went to the regional science fair in Inuvik where they were selected to be participants in the national science fair in St. John's, Newfoundland. Ms. Betty Elias, the Grade 6 teacher from Mangilaluk School, was the chaperone for female students who attended the science fair.

Mr. Speaker, I would also like to congratulate these constituents from my Nunakput riding who graduated from Aurora College: Gloria Nasogaluak from Tuktoyaktuk and Donald Kuptana, Jr., who now resides in Inuvik, who graduated with a diploma from the recreational leaders program; Lilly Alanak from Holman and Vikki Gruben from Tuktoyaktuk, who graduated from the Holman community support worker program; and Marlene Wolki from Paulatuk, who received her certificate in office administration. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Item 3, Members' statements. The Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Villeneuve .

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Lack Of GNWT Support To Persons With Disabilities

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I just want to reiterate some of the concerns I raised during last week's session. These concerns are with denying persons with developmental disabilities in Edmonton, Alberta, who were receiving care and are now not receiving financial support from this government. Mr. Speaker, this is NWT Disability Awareness Week 2004 with the theme being, "Remember to Include Everyone - We All Benefit." That being said, Mr.

Speaker, I'd like to say that it seems that this government has not included everyone and that the nine clients and their families that we did not include are definitely not benefiting from some of the decisions and actions that have been unfolding over the past two months with respect to their well-being and proper care by this government.

Mr. Speaker, these clients are still in the same institution, as they refuse to be relocated and it worries me why this government can only state that they're pretty much on their own now that they refuse to relocate. I do not understand how this government can say that they will help by having on-call services available to these clients should they want to receive support from this government.

Mr. Speaker, let us not forget that these people have developmental disabilities, and a help line does not seem like a good alternative to what I would term as abandonment by the government and Department of Health and Social Services with regard to their proper care and support received by the institution which has stated that they will continue to care for these people with developmental disabilities regardless of GNWT funding arrangements which are being terminated because of unsubstantiated allegations and accusations which seem to be plaguing this House of late.

Mr. Speaker, I will be asking the Minister of Health and Social Services more questions about this important issue later on today. Mahsi.

---Applause

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David Krutko

Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Ms. Lee .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 616

Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to take this opportunity to recognize our good friend and former Speaker of this House, Mr. Tony Whitford. I just wanted to let him know that it's good to see him here and I miss him very much, too. Not disrespecting the current incumbent from Kam Lake.

---Laughter

Mr. Speaker, I'd also like to recognize Mr. Lougheed. I believe we all miss him. I've watched him as I was growing up and I admire him very much. I welcome him to the North. Thank you.

---Applause

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Page 616

The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Yakeleya .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'd like to recognize my partner, Cheryl; my support. I miss you and I love you.

---Laughter

Thank you.

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Page 616

The Speaker

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Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery, Mr. Ramsay .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I know Mr. Lougheed has left, but I'd also like to recognize him. And Mr. Whitford, a constituent of mine and former Speaker of the House; welcome, sir. Also, Mr. Alfred Moses who helped coordinate the Quit and Win Contest in the Inuvik region. Welcome, Alfred, to the Legislative Assembly. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Page 616

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Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Hawkins .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. At this time I'd like to recognize my constituent assistant's parents. Although they're not constituents of mine, they hail from Capreol, Ontario, and they're here in the Northwest Territories visiting my assistant. Their names are Gerry and Mary Lynn Sorel. Formally, I have to say that I'm not supposed to mention that Julie forgot to pick up them up at the airport, so nobody tell her I said that. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Laughter

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Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'd like to recognize the executive director of the NWT Status of Women Council in the gallery today, Ms. Barbara Saunders.

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David Krutko

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd just like to recognize a friend and former colleague of mine in the gallery, Mr. Gerry Cheezie, the manager of the housing projects in Ndilo.

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Page 616

The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Just for those people who haven't been recognized, I'd like to welcome you to the House. Welcome. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Braden .

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Question 175-15(3): Proposed Sport And Recreation Council

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Page 616

Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions this afternoon are for the Premier , Mr. Handley , as he has taken on, at least on an interim basis, the duties and responsibility for MACA. It follows on my Member's statement regarding the Sport North organization and the creation of the proposed sport and recreation council. I want to compliment the Premier for being there. He heard the message quite clearly and, I think, bluntly from this organization that as they want to participate in the improvement of the sport organization and they need to know what the circumstance is.

Could Mr. Handley , the Minister, articulate for us the issues and difficulties that are being addressed in the creation of this proposed new sport and recreation council? Thank you.

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The Speaker

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Mr. Premier , Mr. Handley .

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Question 175-15(3): Proposed Sport And Recreation Council

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 616

Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Northwest Territories would be proud of the achievements of a lot of our people, both in sports and recreation. We do have challenges though, as many Members have mentioned in this House, of having a fair distribution of opportunity for people, particularly from the small communities. So the one challenge that the proposed board would have would be to work to ensure that our

small communities and remote communities have fair opportunity to take advantage of the sports and recreation activities that are available to northerners.

Second, Mr. Speaker, is to ensure that we have representation from all of the Territories on the board, that all the people, whether they're from small communities or large communities, from the North or the South, also have a chance to participate and be part of the operation and decision-making on sports and recreation.

The third area, Mr. Speaker, is on decision making. It's sometimes frustrating for people to have decisions made for them by organizations that they may not be represented on. So trying to find a way of more fair decision making for all people in the Northwest Territories, all communities, large and small, North and South, remote and large centres, is the third challenge.

Mr. Speaker, generally, those are the three challenges that are put out to the proposed board. Thank you.

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the outline of those issues. The Premier mentioned that fair decision making is part of the role of governance, and I would be one of the first to agree that this is something we should all strive for. But I would remind the Premier of a message that came through, at least pretty clearly to me when I was listening to the discussion yesterday morning and in previous years from Sport North meetings, that there's a large body of sport volunteers that feel they have not been included in the decision making regarding the creation of this new sports council.

Can the Premier advise of the kind of communications and dialogue that has gone on where things may have been missed with Sport North on this issue? Thank you.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There are a lot of sport organizations in the Northwest Territories. In fact, there are five main groups that are represented in the discussions and in the proposed board and those, as we know, include the Sport North board itself, the Aboriginal Sports Circle of the Western Arctic, the Beaufort-Delta Sahtu Recreation Association, the NWT Recreation and Parks Association, and the Mackenzie Recreation Association.

Mr. Speaker, as well, I may point out that the Sport North board does involve or include 27 territorial sports organizations in itself. So there has been a lot of involvement by most of the boards, if not all of them. Mr. Speaker, I know there have been some communication difficulties, I was told yesterday. Those are things we want to work to overcome. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Sport North Federation yesterday afternoon, after the presentation that the Premier gave, passed a resolution. It is a six-point resolution and it very clearly indicates that they still have yet to really come on side with this process. In fact, the first of their six recommendations is that MACA halt the current sport and recreation council process immediately. Would the Premier respond to this? Is the Premier prepared to respond to this today, even as the interim Minister? Is this something that he will ask the Minister? I take it that there will be a new Minister of MACA.

Will that new Minister be directed to halt the process as the Sport North Federation has requested? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Joe Handley

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Mr. Speaker, I don't want to halt the process because this has been an ongoing consultation since October 2001, when Minister Allen at the time began the process. There have been a number of consultations that have been held. Some of them seem to not have reached the people that they should have. It's been a long consultation process. I'm not tied, as I said yesterday, to a June 18th date. That was thrown out as being the date for implementation of this. But I do want to continue to work toward coming up with a board that represents all the sports organizations and volunteers and people who work with our young people in sports and recreation.

Mr. Speaker, the other piece I need to find out is, yesterday I met with the Sport North board and its representation. I still want to find out from the other four partners where they stand on this and ensure that everybody has all of the information that is necessary before we move ahead with this. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions today are for the Minister of the Department of Justice, the Honourable Charles Dent . It's to do with my Member's statement and the process used for maintenance enforcement. I'm not going to get into any specific case, but just for the policy surrounding maintenance enforcement, first of all, Mr. Speaker, I would like the Minister to explain to me what the role of the sheriff is. Is the sheriff actually an employee of this government? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Mr. Speaker, I believe that the sheriff is an employee of the government, yes.

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Paul Delorey

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as well, I'd like the Minister to inform the House of why there is a fee charged for when there are goods seized on behalf of a parent that is receiving maintenance enforcement, and in order to try and get some of that money the government or sheriff would move to seize some property. Why is there a fee charged for the seizure of that property? Is it a flat fee or is it based on how big the

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you. Mr. Speaker, I don't know if I can answer all the detail of the question the Member has posed. However, it's not uncommon for this government and most governments to charge fees for services that they provide to the public. For instance, if you go in and want to register a document in court registries, there is a fee. If you want to get a driver's licence, there is a fee for that. When the public asks that a service be performed that isn't being provided to everybody, it isn't unusual that there would be a fee charged.

My understanding is that that's the situation also with maintenance enforcement, that if a sheriff has to take some action there is a fee charged for it. It's not just in maintenance enforcement, it would be the same with serving papers and so on. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the other part of that question was is this fee charged as a flat fee, or is it based on a wide range of the articles being seized? The other question I had, Mr. Speaker, is if it is also common practice to have items that are seized stored somewhere and have storage fees accumulating on this item before it goes for sale. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I can't answer Mr. Delorey 's question about whether or not it's a flat fee for every service that's performed. I would expect on most occasions it is a flat fee per service, but I can't say that with certainty. I would be happy to investigate and get back to him on that.

On the other case, if an

article is seized and stored somewhere, then, yes, it is common for charges to be levied for that storage, particularly if a third party is responsible for the storage. For instance, if a car is seized for non-payment of some bill and there's a judgment received, if that car has to be stored at the property of the company, that towed the car then, as well as the fees owing, whoever owned the car, if they wanted it back, would have to pay the storage fees.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the part that gives me great concern when we're adding fees to articles is I don't know whether there's any study done as to what articles are worthwhile seizing if there's going to be a fee charged to it and then a daily rental or storage fee if it's going to be there for two months. I would expect that with the amount of government property there is everywhere across the Territories, there must be a place that we can store this without accumulating daily fees. Why are we even bothering charging it if it's not going to bring in any money for who it's intended to benefit?

Is that consideration given to use government properties in the communities rather than having it somewhere where there's a daily fee attached to it? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would agree with Mr. Delorey that we should try and minimize any expenses in these sorts of situations and maximize the payments that would be going to affected individuals. I will certainly look into whether or not we can, in the future at least, find a way to use government properties for storage and I'll report back to the Member what my findings are. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions today are to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . As I stated in my Member's statement, the Metis people aren't eligible for university and college entry programs. I realize the department is only delivering programs as directed by the federal government's policies, however, Mr. Speaker, can the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment tell me whether the department has ever considered extending the university and college entry programs to Metis people? Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I can tell the Member that on more than one occasion during the 13th Assembly when I was Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , I sent letters to the federal government and asked the Ministers to reconsider their position on the university and college entrance program, which is offered only for treaty people. I have always been rebuffed in those approaches. I haven't tried it again since becoming Minister, but I am prepared to immediately write to the federal government and again see if they will reconsider their position.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Mr. Minister. There are several constituents in the Sahtu region who have applied for programs and been turned down. What type of interim solutions can we provide to some of my constituents in the Sahtu region with regard to continuing on with their education and training for the upcoming opportunities that they see in the Sahtu? This government tells the people in the Sahtu that there is some way we can look at that issue in the interim. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Mr. Minister. I will take you up on your offer to meet at a later date. As we know, sometimes we send information out to the federal government and some days it takes very long. Like the devolution issue. It takes a long time to get some answers from the federal government.

Mr. Speaker, the present student financial assistance program will provide assistance for 20 semesters of university. Would the Minister consider allowing Metis people to attend the university and college interest program through Aurora College under the overall eligibility? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I thank the Minister. I guess I would ask him if he would consider looking at some of the policies that he alluded to that may help the Metis people access other programs. Right now you have to go into low income support or to the ARDA programs and they get bounced around. So, Mr. Speaker, I would ask if the Minister could look at his programs again and look at some of the other programs within his department that would help alleviate some of this frustration that the Metis people are facing today in terms of getting their higher education and being a productive force for the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it's in all our interests to make sure anybody who is capable of getting a higher education in the Northwest Territories is given a hand to get that education. So the department is constantly reviewing the programs that are offered and looking at ways to improve them. I would say that as part of our regular reviews we will continue to do that and make sure our programs are offered in the best way possible. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 178-15(3): Students Suspended From School

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, last week in a Member's statement I raised the issue of constituents of mine who have children who have been suspended from the public school system who are now at home with very little opportunity for education in the community. I didn't have a chance to follow up with questions to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , so I'd like to do that today. My question for the Minister is what education opportunities are available for these children who cannot be accommodated in the public school system? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, each individual situation is going to require a unique solution, so it is difficult to answer it in a general way. There are in every instance monies available for dealing with children who have special needs given to the divisional education councils, which in turn funds the district education authorities to provide the services. So the legislation in the Northwest Territories requires that the councils provide an appropriate level of education for all students, and that may take the provision of an individual's support in a classroom, or it may take some

discussion within the community of a different approach, which could involve any number of different facilities or situations. So I can't answer specifically that something is available. The best opportunity would be to see as much as possible the education provided within the school so that everybody is provided with an opportunity to attend school. Sometimes that isn't always possible, but that is the first choice. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I think that everyone is pretty aware that there is not enough funding that goes to the education authorities to deal with special needs. With the number of students who require that sort of attention, I think those resources are already spread very, very thin. So to say that the funding is there, might be somewhat...Well, it doesn't solve my problems.

I have more than one student in Hay River right now who is not able to attend the regular school system, and I don't blame the teachers or the principal for suspending these children if it is disruptive to the education of the other children. However, the Minister made a reference in his comments to the statutory or mandatory obligation of this government to provide an education to every child.

That being said, if there aren't enough funds for special needs, would it be possible for students or schools to make application on behalf of students for additional special funding because the special needs funding in the programs now is not sufficient? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, since 1999-2000 to this year, the amount of funding that has been provided to divisional educational councils to fund programs for children with special needs has gone from just over $6 million to over $16 million. So there has been a pretty dramatic growth in the amount of funding in the past four years. It has more than doubled. That I think indicates that there has been some commitment on the part of this legislature to provide funds, and I guess what we are going to have to find out in the next little while is whether or not that increase has been adequate.

If it isn't, as the Member is suggesting, then as a legislature we are going to be challenged to try and deal with that. I would think though that with the kind of growth that we've seen in the last four years in special needs funding, that the money should be there, and we are going to have to try and work with the DECs and DEAs to find out how they are responding, and see if there aren't ways in which we can help them to make sure that the funding is being used properly. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'd like to ask the Minister if there are any, outside of the mainstream, classroom support available for students with behaviour problems any place else in the Territories. Specifically, are there alternative education opportunities for children in Yellowknife who have behavioural problems, which preclude them from participating in a mainstream classroom in the public schools? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm not sure. I guess it depends on the nature of the behavioural problems. I suppose, for instance, that a territorial treatment centre might be a facility that could be used for situations like that. But again, without knowing the specifics of the behaviour issues, it's hard to know. It may help the Member to know that I have advised the DEC Chairs that by this fall I will issue a directive that will stipulate what is acceptable use for the funds that are provided to deal with special needs.

I am not certain that the school support funding has been spent appropriately in the past, and I am planning to issue a directive by this fall, which will stipulate just what services are acceptable for inclusion under that $16 million that I've been talking about. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Final supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my final question to the Minister then is in terms of my response to my constituents who have children under the age of 16 who are not able to attend school because they have been suspended for long periods of time. Would it be appropriate to tell those constituents that this government recognizes its obligation to educate these students, and that there will be either some financing or opportunity made available to them just to realize an education? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am not sure that the Member can trace it exactly the way that she did, but I would agree with her that this government does recognize its obligation to provide an education to children. I think that what I have been saying is that we believe we are providing the funds to the DEC, and through them to the DEA. If there is a problem, that needs to be addressed at the local level, and the department may need to work with the DEC and the DEA to make sure that the solution is found. Thank you.

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Item 6, oral questions. Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. Allen .

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Question 179-15(3): Mortgage Investment Corporation

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Roger Allen

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am going to remain consistent with my Member's statement. I am

going to ask the Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation if the NWT Housing Corporation is still actively involved in the development of a mortgage investment corporation as part of Cabinet's overall strategy for the 15th Assembly? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, our current programs are already providing the mortgage and lending requirements for the people of the North, and we are quite satisfied our programs are working. We are not looking at setting up an arm's length organization at this time. Thank you.

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Roger Allen

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Then would the Minister kindly advise this House if $18.3 million in new program monies will be made available to the developers and other people in pursuit of housing? Thank you.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Housing Corporation currently provides lending and corporate assistance through an allowance under the NWT Housing Corporation Act. We provide personal loan guarantees, corporate loan guarantees, and in some cases construction of bridge financing. Our lending ceiling on that pot is at $30 million. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Roger Allen

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Recognizing then if there is that level of expenditure by this government on new housing developments, can I ask the Minister why is it that affordable rental housing program monies was reprofiled to the independent housing program? Thank you.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, our affordable housing program receives $7.5 million, 1.1 percent of the government's budget of $320 million, which was announced some time ago. This program was started in 2002-2003, and our investment under this program is geared towards the independent housing program, or the IHP, and also our public housing units. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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