Debates of June 23rd, 1992

This is page numbers 719 - 744 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Ministers' Statement 72-12(2): Summer Program For Highschool Students

Social Problems In The Nwt

Legislature Working As A Team

Appreciation To Women

Hunters 'and Trappers' Coverage By Workers' Compensation Board

Criticism By Media Of Ordinary Members

Society For Friends Against Family Violence

Canadian Broadcasting Corporation

Media Allegations Re Mlas

Potential Of Scallop Harvesting, Cumberland Sound

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 5: Oral Questions

Question O609-12(2): Rcmp Services In Lake Harbour

Question O610-12(2): Outside Firms Bidding On Northern Work

Question O611-12(2): Government Action Re Child Care Services

Question O612-12(2): Status Of Report Re Fuel Oil Contracts

Question O613-12(2): Changing Definition Of "principally Engaged" In Workers' Compensation Act

Question O614-12(2): Arctic College Procedures For Contractual Agreements

Question O615-12(2): Plans For Expansion And Diversification Of Fishery Industry In Baffin

Question O616-12(2): Advice Of Agencies, Boards And Commissions Committee Re "principally Engaged"definition

Question O617-12(2): Creation Of Jobs In South Baffin

Question O618-12(2): Action Taken On Pipeline Spill

Question O619-12(2): Long-range Plan For Corrections Services

Question O620-12(2): Recommendations Of 1990 Labour Standards Law Review Panel

Question O621-12(2): Provision Of Services For Abusers And Abused

Question O622-12(2): Arviat Health Committee Representative On Keewatin Regional Health Board

Question O623-12(2): Tabling Of Housing Needs Survey

Question O624-12(2): Status Of Complaints Commission Review Re Kitty Nowdluk-reynolds Case

Question O625-12(2): Assessment Of Rcmp Complaints Commission Process

Question O626-12(2): Security Costs For Royal Oak Mine Strike

Question O627-12(2): "healing Our Spirit, World Wide Conference"

Question O628-12(2): Efforts Being Made In Search For Johnny Tonka

Question O629-12(2): Food Basket Survey

Question O630-12(2): Rates Paid To Private Truckers

Question O631-12(2): North Pole Expedition Rescue

Question O632-12(2): Economic Benefits To North Re Participation In Expo '92

Question O633-12(2): Education Assessments

Item 7: Returns To Written Questions

W36-12(2): Department Of Transportation Guidelines For Use Of Construction Equipment

W41-12(2): Summer Student Employment With The GNWT

Committee Report 12-12(2): Report Of The Standing Committee On Finance On Inter-sessional Activities

Item 12: Tabling Of Documents

Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Motion To Undertake Comprehensive Audit Of NWT Power Corporation

Item 19: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 20: Third Reading Of Bills

Item 21: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Hon. Titus Allooloo , Mr. Antoine , Mr. Arngna'naaq , Mr. Arvaluk , Hon. Michael Ballantyne , Hon. Nellie Cournoyea , Mr. Dent , Mr. Gargan, Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Koe , Mr. Lewis , Mrs. Marie-Jewell , Ms. Mike , Hon. Don Morin , Mr. Ningark , Hon. Dennis Patterson, Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Mr. Pudluk , Mr. Todd , Hon. Tony Whitford , Mr. Zoe

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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Clerk Of The House

Mr. David Hamilton

Dear Lord, we ask You today to help all of us to work in harmony as we try to develop our North for all the people. Give us the knowledge we need to do our work to the best of our ability; guide us as we serve You and the people of our land. We ask You for forgiveness when we do wrong in our thoughts and words and, Lord, we ask for Your help in placing our biases and prejudices aside as we deliberate each day. We ask for Your help to find positive solutions to many of the issues we discuss. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Good afternoon. Orders of the day for Tuesday, June 23, 1992. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Morin .

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Ministers' Statement 72-12(2): Summer Program For Highschool Students

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. With the support of the Minister of Transportation and the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , I am pleased to announce that the orientation program to architecture and engineering will be running for its fifth year this summer. The program is designed to expose the students to careers related to engineering and architecture and to the importance of continuing their school work in maths and sciences.

Fifteen high school students from Inuvik, Hall Beach, lqaluit, Paulatuk, Arviat, Rankin Inlet and Yellowknife have been selected. They will participate together in a week-longorientation session in Yellowknife. They then return to their home communities for a five-week, specially prepared work assignment under the direction of an employee from one of the sponsoring departments. For most students, this program is their first experience with summer employment at a typical workplace. All the students increase their understanding of the career opportunities available in the NWT and the efforts and skills that are essential to take advantage of these opportunities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Ministers' Statement 72-12(2): Summer Program For Highschool Students

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Morin . Ministers' statements. Ministers' statements.

I would like to take this opportunity to welcome to the Legislative Assembly Mr. Percy Kabloona, Mayor of Whale Cove, and Mr. Paul Kaludjak, Mayor of Rankin Inlet.

---Applause

Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Antoine .

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Social Problems In The Nwt

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Today I want to make a statement about an interagency statement on social issues. The groups represented here today serve thousands of people across the NWT. They are diverse groups, but they share a common concern for the alarming social problems of our people.

First, the Status of Women Council states that approximately 4000 sexual assaults took place in the NWT last year. The majority of the victims were girls under the age of 19. Number two, the Yellowknife Day Care Association states that there are about 2300 children in the NWT who require child care, but there are only about 700 licensed spaces available. Sixty-six per cent of the women in the NWT with children under the age of six work outside the home.

The NWT Federation of Labour states that thousands of northern workers and their families, especially single mothers, workers without unions and youth, suffer from inadequate enforcement of outdated laws such as the 1974 Labour Standards Act. One million dollars spent on RCMP squads here in Yellowknife could have hired a dozen qualified inspectors to make sure NWT safety laws and workplace laws are properly enforced.

The national action committee states that one in 10 children in the NWT goes to school each day without food in their bellies. The Learning Disabilities Association of the NWT states that the 1986 census reports that 44 per cent of the NWT residents over the age of 15 are functionally illiterate. Seventy-two per cent of the aboriginal people over age 15 are in this group. Each year in the Northwest Territories, between 700 and 800 students leave the school system before graduation.

Northern Addiction Services states that in the spring of 1991 they opened a new 32-bed rehabilitation centre on the Dettah Road. The Department of Social Services provides operating funding for 20 of the 32 beds. Shortly after opening the new centre, the Department of Social Services commissioned Linda Bell, president and chief executive officer of Bellwood Health Services, to perform an evaluation of Northern Addiction Services. What are the government's plans for implementing the recommendations?

The YWCA states that...

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Antoine , your allotted time has expired. Mr. Antoine .

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

I seek unanimous consent to continue with my statement.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Antoine .

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Social Problems In The Nwt

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The YWCA states that in the last year only 20 per cent of abused women utilized shelters, while the other 80 per cent continued to be beaten. This government must ensure that women who have been beaten are able to seek safe shelter. Last year only 2.4 of the male abusers had access to counselling to stop their violent behaviour. Last year, children made up 51 per cent of those in shelters. However, there have been no new resources

made available for these children in order to stop the cycle of violence.

There is a group called CLASS, Casaw Ladies Association of Support Services, that represents 240 families whose family members are on strike at Royal Oak mine. They fund raise in order to take care of their own, but if this strike goes on much longer, they will have to turn to Social Services for assistance to feed their families. They object to the over $50,000 a days pent on the riot squad, which serves to inflame tempers and increase the potential for violence.

The Association of Community Living states that the territorial government spends $100,000 each year for every mentally handicapped person from the NWT living in a southern institution. The Yellowknife Women's Centre states social assistance recipients, many of whom are children, are constantly placed in jeopardy by government failure to abide by their own child welfare and financial assistance legislation and regulations. An adult on social assistance received only$184 per month for food and personal care items. Our cost of living is 25 per cent higher than the cost of living in Alberta, where an adult receives the same rate of $184.

The Native Women's Association of the Northwest Territories would like to bring the Government of the Northwest Territories' attention to programs and services. The Native Women's Association would like to state that they fully support programs and services that would address the issues and concerns that face aboriginal families in the areas of family violence. We support, they say, the wishes and desires of aboriginal communities, in that they must be allowed to identify and initiate their own programs and services.

In the recent release from the Commission on Western Constitutional Development, one of the recommendations was that the aboriginal communities receive recognition and funding for the healing process to begin in preparation for the transfer of programs and a move toward self-government.

Mr. Speaker, the group's goal is that they would respectfully request that the Assembly put aside their differences and work together as a team in order to address these pressing issues. There are dysfunctional communities, caught in a vicious cycle of violence, substance abuse, illiteracy and substandard housing conditions, that cannot properly benefit from decentralization or economic development. They ask that we commit ourselves to help the people first, and ask for a budget that reflects that commitment. They cannot see cuts to service delivery positions or to helping groups or agencies.

They want to see cuts, instead, to government management and administration, cuts to all unnecessary government travel, particularly outside the NWT, and cuts to all non-essential construction. They want to see the government helping NWT organizations maximize, and they do not want to use outside consultants and groups. They would like it to minimize and eventually eliminate all outside consultants and groups. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

-Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Antoine . Members' statements. Mr. Lewis .

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Legislature Working As A Team

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Over the last week as we have been sitting, ordinary Members have been under some criticism for the appearance of not really taking the work of the Government of the Northwest Territories as seriously as they should. There has been a perception that we have spent our time, in fact, struggling with issues that are not to the benefit of all of the people of the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, we all know that this is an unusual form of government. It is unique, and it is important to recognize that ordinary Members began four and a half years ago to try to find the areas in which there was a common purpose, a common understanding of things that mattered to the public at large, so the government would not be driven by one or two interest groups. I think it has been successful in doing that.

I would like to make this point today, Mr. Speaker, because the Member's statement we have just heard has made it clear that the public would like us to set aside our individual differences and to work together as a team. I believe that although at this early stage there are some problems that we have not completely resolved, I would like to assure the public that there is a dedication among all ordinary Members to work together.

I think, from what I can see, if any individual Member seems to be pursuing a particular interest group or a particular line, if you like, that is of a personal nature, then we will be even more fragile than we are. I can assure the public that we do have some kind of vision and we will try to push for the kinds of changes that the public would like to see in the social area. Thank you.

-Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Members' statements. Mr. Ningark .

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Appreciation To Women

Item 3: Members' Statements

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I was coming to the Assembly, walking along the busy streets of Yellowknife a few minutes ago, it was business as usual; nothing out of the ordinary; everybody doing their own thing; crossing the street, people, trucks, cars, moving along; business as usual. But something very special was happening through the process that I saw that struck my inner spirit. A lady and her two little ones were crossing the street; two little ones crossing the street at the safety of their mother, given the assurance and kindness of their mother. The same process, Mr. Speaker, was repeated by different mothers with different kids.

-Applause

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Appreciation To Women

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Ningark . Members' statements. Mr. Gargan .

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Hunters 'and Trappers' Coverage By Workers' Compensation Board

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, honourable Members will recall that I have risen in this House several times to speak against the policy which the Workers' Compensation Board has used to define whether aboriginal people are "principally engaged" as traditional harvesters for the purpose of injury

compensation.

I have opposed this policy, Mr. Speaker, because it states that if you receive income from other sources for a period exceeding 131 days during the year prior to the accident, you are not principally engaged as a hunter or trapper. It also states -- and this is what I have disagreed with the most -- that If you do not earn a minimum of $10,000 from traditional harvesting for the 12-month period prior to the accident, then you are not to be considered as a hunter or trapper either.

The entire philosophy behind this definition of which hunters, trappers and fishermen are eligible for compensation under the Workers' Compensation Act misapplied non-native criteria related to the wage economy. It has, I believe, conveyed an inexcusable demonstration of the board's lack of awareness about traditional lifestyle and work patterns of aboriginal Northerners.

I am sure I should not have to remind you, Mr. Speaker, that for aboriginal people, being a hunter is a matter of how you live and not how much you earn. If an individual is seen by his family, his elders and his community as being principally engaged as a hunter or trapper, then he should be recognized as such by the Workers' Compensation Board.

I was comforted to learn that the Workers' Compensation Board review committee recently overturned an adjudicator's decision that was based on this policy. In doing so, the committee ruled that the policy is contrary to the spirit in which the Workers' Compensation Act was amended by the 10th Assembly when provisions for the hunters' and trappers' coverage were first included in the legislation.

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to see that the board has recognized that this policy should never have been made. I will now be calling on the Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board to ensure that it is rescinded and that a new definition of '"principally engaged" - which reflects our honoured traditions as aboriginal people - is developed. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Gargan . Members' statements. Mr. Todd .

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Criticism By Media Of Ordinary Members

Item 3: Members' Statements

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to express concern over some of the speculation and inaccurate perceptions that I have heard recently with respect to the work that is carried out on the floor of this chamber. Mr. Speaker, I realize it is fashionable in some circles to be critical and suspicious of all politicians, and I realize that the media coverage of political pursuits has tended to capitalize on this fashionable trend by taking a cynical view of the role which is performed by elected officials in our contemporary society.

Mr. Speaker, I come here every day. I meet with my colleagues regularly. I chair and belong to standing committees, and I attend the ordinary Members' caucus on a regular basis. I want to tell you that the portrayal of ordinary Members as sharks circling the cabinet, as disruptive influences, has characterized this House as a snake pit; and it is simply not based on reality. I am personally fed up with it. I am particularly concerned, Mr. Speaker, by the manner in which the ordinary Member for Thebacha has borne the brunt of this belief.

During the last election, the message I heard more clearly was the crying need for government accountability in the Northwest Territories. Unfortunately, where ministerial government exists in conjunction with public service entrenchment in its own way of doing things, this is not always a warm, fuzzy process. However, ordinary Members on this side of the House are committed to ensuring that government departments, agencies, and Ministers will be held accountable. This is what leads us to good government.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Todd . Members' statements. Mr. Koe .

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Society For Friends Against Family Violence

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this opportunity to say a few words about the Society for Friends Against Family Violence. The Society for Friends Against Family Violence has been very active in the town of Inuvik. The society has been actively pursuing funds for programs to be delivered in Inuvik. The statistics show that services are badly needed in the area of family violence. There has been and is a definite requirement for services to be offered to individuals in the smaller communities, as well as Inuvik.

The society recognizes the need for services and has identified various programs once funding is acquired. The services they are looking at are: emergency houses; housing; crisis intervention and counselling; life skills counselling; legal advocacy; children's support group; public education; women's resource room; nutrition counselling; and parenting skills. Friends Against Family Violence is also planning to build a network with elders so that an intergenerational program can be delivered for children.

Friends Against Family Violence is looking to other organizations, such as the Gwich'in Tribal Council and Inuvialuit Regional Council, for involvement in regard to providing additional funds for counsellors' positions. This will ensure that more aboriginal people are trained to work in this field. Aboriginal counsellors trained in this field will certainly benefit the programs' success.

Mr. Speaker, these programs are required to ensure that we have healthy communities with healthy individuals. We also need to promote programs that focus on family development. The programs that the Friends Against Family Violence are proposing to deliver will assist in providing a foundation for a healthy community and a healthy society. would like to commend the members of the society for the time and effort they have put into this important issue. I would also like to thank the Minister of Social Services for his support in being able to secure some funding for the society. Thank you, Mr. Speaker, for giving me the opportunity to speak on this important issue.

-Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Koe . Mr. Arvaluk .

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Canadian Broadcasting Corporation

Item 3: Members' Statements

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have to speak my mind today. We listen to news items go through the electronic media as well as the paper medium. For example, in my community above the tree line in the Eastern Arctic, I hear nothing but bad news in reference to our work in this House. While I am aware that the people involved in producing the news have an obligation to sell news and to keep us informed, Mr. Speaker, I want it to be known that CBC should not be selling their news to the receiving media, especially in Inuit communities. They should not be selling commercials within those communities.

Because of that, first of all I want to say that we are happy with the performance of the aboriginal people, because they present a balanced view

of things happening, and Radio Canada is not part of the Work provided by CBC, so I want to state my support for the news that is provided by CBC Eastern Arctic. I encourage them to continue producing their work within their own style because it helps to promote awareness of what we are trying to do. When we keep hearing bad news about what is happening here, it causes concern; and the image is that good things are not happening within the House. This is the image that is also being received by visitors. So I encourage the aboriginal media to continue their efforts. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Arvaluk . Members' statements. Mrs. Marie-Jewell .

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Media Allegations Re Mlas

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr .Speaker, I rise today on the topic of the media and how they are creating an atmosphere of MLAs doing nothing but fighting. Mr. Speaker, MLAs, as my previous colleagues have stated, are attempting to make the government accountable. The media, particularly News North, believe that the attempt to make government accountable is my personal vendetta. I have to tell them that their allegations are totally wrong.

--- Applause

My colleagues have stated that I speak many times on behalf of the ordinary Members' caucus and not on my own agenda. Mr. Speaker, let me assure you that if I had my way, I would address the continually increasing costs of providing RCMP for Royal Oak that may have to be absorbed by this government; the concern of many social problems that we face in the North; the concern of the housing shortage that we face in the North, and the list can go on and on. The fundamental problem that we faced during these past couple of sessions is that we were working in this House without a budget presented to us.

We have difficulty in asking questions on programs. We have another problem. particularly myself: Whenever I want to ask a question, many of my questions are taken under notice.

Mr. Speaker, it is not my intention whatsoever to create a violent atmosphere. It is, however, our intention to make the government accountable. Mr. Speaker, I would request, in fairness, that the media be courteous and be responsible in reporting our actions as MLAs.

However, I do want to indicate one particular message that I have always wanted to say: that I am happy that they take the time to write or report about me, because at least the energy you focus on me allows you to leave someone else alone. Thank you.

---Applause

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Media Allegations Re Mlas

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mrs. Marie-Jewell . Ms. Mike .

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Potential Of Scallop Harvesting, Cumberland Sound

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am concerned about an issue of great economic significance to the Baffin Region. The fisheries harvest has enormous potential to bring employment and better standards of living to the people of the Eastern Arctic. It is crucial that this potential be further explored, but there is more to the potential in Cumberland Sound than halibut and char. There are scallop beds just waiting to be exploited. The federal Department of Fisheries and Oceans, in 1989, set a quota for scallops in Cumberland

Sound at 220,000 pounds for the year, yet right now no one is harvesting scallops and bringing this money into the Baffin Region, even though there is great interest in developing this resource.

P and L Fisheries in Pangnirtung is an organization which operates without public funding and provides winter employment for 80 fishermen. This firm actually has a 45-foot multi-purpose vessel that has been used by the firm in the past to harvest scallops and other marine fisheries. Currently, funds are needed to refurbish the vessel to make h suitable for scallop harvesting, but when P and L applied to the Department of Economic Development and Tourism for assistance to repower their ship so that they could expand their harvest and provide year-round employment, they were turned down.

I understand that there is a policy against market disruption, and that the Northwest Territories Development Corporation is already involved in a winter fishery industry, but there is no existing scallop business to be disrupted even though the testing and processing by the Department of Fisheries and Oceans indicates that there is potential within the scallop harvest for more than one business to be involved. Since a significant market demand exists in places like Montreal and Toronto as well as in American centres, the potential for scallop sales is virtually limitless.

This will be the fourth season the potential for scallop harvest is being ignored by the government. The residents of the Baffin need this industry. The re-evaluation of policy and past decisions made in this area

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Michael Ballantyne

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Michael Ballantyne

The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Ms. Mike .

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Mr. Speaker, the residents of the Baffin need this industry. The re-evaluation of policy and past decisions made in this area is long overdue. This government must move now to help local people harvest this resource. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

I would like to take this opportunity to welcome Her Honour Helen Maksagak, Deputy Commissioner of the Northwest Territories.

--- Applause

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Further Return To Question O548-12(2): Amount Paid To Truckers For Hauling Gravel, Fort Providence

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Gargan on June 17, with respect to the amount paid to truckers for hauling gravel at Fort Providence. Truck haul rates are not set by the Department of Transportation. The department's long-standing practice for highway reconstruction contracts is to publicly tender the work. The market then determines the prices bid for construction, including gravel haul. The prime contractor will often subcontract hauling to local trucking firms. The rates agreed to between the prime contractor and trucking subcontractors are a private contractual arrangement.

In general, the rates currently being paid to subcontractors are less than the rates on the tender bid since the prime contractor allows for incidental costs, overhead and profit. The construction market has been very competitive lately, complaints from some trucking subcontractors stating that they cannot make a fair return at the rates being offered by prime contractors. Question O608-12(2): Term Position, Child Sexual Abuse The department is examining this issue, and I will be making a recommendation to cabinet in the near future. Our objectives are to ensure fairness and good value for public funds while ensuring the long-term viability and stability of northern businesses. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Todd on June 17, regarding a privatization study of the Northwest Territories Power Corporation. On March 26, 1992, I indicated to this Assembly that it was the intention of this government to privatize the Northwest Territories Power Corporation.

This direction is consistent with the position of the previous government and standing committee on finance, and it has been the objective since the purchase of the Northern Canada Power Commission At that time, I suggested a phased-in process may be considered but that a privatization strategy would be developed and that the strategy would be provided to the standing committee on finance.

On April 2, 1992, I indicated to this Assembly that the government would consider recruitment of an independent consultant to prepare a report on the feasibility of privatization. In addition, I agreed to provide the results of that study, if complete, at the fall session. To date, discussion between officials of the Department of the Executive, Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources, and the Northwest Territories Power Corporation has taken place. Mr. Fred Abbott, retired partner with Coopers and Lybrand, has been retained to prepare are port on the feasibility of privatization, and I anticipate the report will be complete by the fall session. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Further Return To Question O523-12(2): Power Corporation Layoffs In Fort Smith

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

I have another return to an oral question asked by Mrs. Jeannie-Marie Jewell on June 16 with respect to the recent layoff notices given to eight Northwest Territories Power Corporation employees in Fort Smith.

I would provide the following information: 1) These positions were declared redundant based on a review of operational requirements and technological change; 2) the corporation's operational requirements including those in Fort Smith, are unrelated to the Government of the Northwest Territories' decentralization initiative and, as such, are not covered by the work force adjustment program; and 3) employees of the Northwest Territories Power Corporation are covered under a collective agreement separate from that of government employees and layoff entitlements that are contained in that agreement.

In a continuing effort to upgrade the electrical supply system in the Northwest Territories, the corporation is involved in a program targeted at improvements to safety, efficiency and reliability. These improvements will not be accomplished without operational impacts. While it is not my intention to advise Members of each staff relocation or layoff notice, I can advise the Assembly that opportunities for limited work force adjustments are being considered and that any affected employee will be treated in a fair and forthright manner. Thank you.

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Returns to oral questions. Item 5, oral resulting in bid prices which are quite low. This has led to questions. Oral questions. Mr. Antoine .

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Coordinator

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Social Services in regard to the statement I made at the beginning of the session. The Status of Women Council states that 4000 sexual assaults took place in the NWT last year. There is a term position of a child sexual abuse co-ordinator which finishes in July. I would like to ask the Minister what the government plans to do with this position. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Whitford .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The position indeed is going to expire at the end of July. However, we have already begun a review of the terms of the position, with the intent of extending it.

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Michael Ballantyne

Oral questions. Mr. Pudlat .

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Question O609-12(2): Rcmp Services In Lake Harbour

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question I would like to direct to the Minister of Justice . As we know, the smaller communities do not have enough RCMP, or the RCMP are going to be taken out in some of the communities. The community I am representing is a small community, so I would like to ask the Minister a question. Before I was born, there used to be RCMP in the community that I am representing. I believe there was an RCMP even before Cape Dorset had one, so my question is to the Minister of Justice .

In the community I represent, they are concerned about whether the RCMP is going to be taken out of the community because of funding being cut. Since they have had an RCMP for many years, are they going to keep an RCMP in the community I am representing? Can he answer my question?

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Patterson .

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, I assume the Member is referring to Lake Harbour. There is no intention to deprive Lake Harbour of any RCMP presence. However, because of financial constraints, I am currently discussing with the RCMP and with the Solicitor General for Canada and the commissioner of the RCMP for Canada how the available resources could best be deployed in the Northwest Territories. The debate and discussion is not at this point resolved, so I cannot at this point assure the Member that the Lake Harbour detachment will not be deprived of one member. There is no possibility that the police presence in Lake Harbour would be eliminated. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Question O610-12(2): Outside Firms Bidding On Northern Work

Item 5: Oral Questions

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister responsible for Arctic College. In the Nunatsiaq News of June 12, there was an ad placed, an invitation to tender for catering services for the Arctic College in the Baffin Divisional Board of Education. In the tender call it said, and I quote, "Contractors may obtain tender documents from the above address as of June 5. Out-of-town bidders, please contact CINI Little International at (416) 967-," et cetera, a Toronto address.

In discussions with this company, I find that they have handed out four or five of the requests for proposals to Toronto firms. Is it the policy of Arctic College to encourage outside firms to bid on northern work when there are competent competitive northern contractors in place?

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Michael Ballantyne

Minister of Education , Mr. Allooloo .

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would have to take the question as notice since I have no background in this particular area. I will check into this for the Member and the Legislative Assembly as to what is happening in this particular matter. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Question O611-12(2): Government Action Re Child Care Services

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Social Services , and it has to do with the day-care situation in the North, where there is a real need for child care services in the North. Twenty-three hundred children require child care, while there are only 700 licensed spaces. Can the Minister tell the House what this government is planning to do about this situation? Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Whitford .

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the issue of day-care is one that I have already addressed in the House in terms of drafting a new policy for day-care from what we currently have. I think, specifically to the question, the program still exists in the way it was introduced; it is a subsidy program. We are able to maintain right now the same level of services as in the previous year. We are reviewing the policy with the intention of taking it to cabinet shortly.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Yes, the Minister indicates that he is working on adopting a new policy. Is it possible to see this policy and possibly have input from this side of the House? Thank you.

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, we fully intend to be discussing it as time allows, and there will be a consultation process taking place that will allow the public's input.

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Question O612-12(2): Status Of Report Re Fuel Oil Contracts

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 724

Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Government Leader . Several months ago the government awarded 22 contracts for the delivery of fuel oil in NWT communities. Following concerns expressed by the 11th Assembly's standing committee on finance, Mr. Ben Anderson was retained to conduct a review and delivered a report to the Government Leader on December 17, 1991. This report was provided to the Government Leader , so I am certain that she will be able to respond to my question. On December 17, the Government Leader advised the House that she had asked Mr.

Anderson to do a follow-up report to include recommendations for improving the award process. What is the status of that follow-up report? Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Ms. Cournoyea .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I will take that question as notice.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Question O613-12(2): Changing Definition Of "principally Engaged" In Workers' Compensation Act

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 724

Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to direct my question to the Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board. Mr. Speaker, there was a ruling by the appeal committee of the Workers' Compensation Board that indicated in

section 10(1) of the Workers' Compensation Act, that the policy is contrary to the spirit of intent of the section. I would like to ask the Minister whether or not there is a review now in place that would lock at maybe changing the definition of "principally engaged" as described by the policy.

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Mr. Patterson .

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, yes.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister when he intends to bring the new policy forward.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, the review of the hunters' and trappers' coverage under the Workers' Compensation Board has been under way for some time now. It is being conducted by the Workers' Compensation Board and officials from the Department of Renewable Resources, who are paying for hunters' coverage under the WCB Act. I am told that a meeting was held again this week on this issue and that the review committee is awaiting the report of the

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister responsible for Arctic College. Does Arctic College fall under the policy and procedures of the Government of the Northwest Territories when seeking and tendering contractual agreements?

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Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker As far as I know, yes, and if they do not, they should. Thank you.

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Given my previous case, Mr. Speaker, will the Minister assure that they do?

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board whether or not the appeals committee -- I do not know whether or not there are any claims right now under the definition of "principally engaged," but, in practice, how are they handling the

section now that you no longer have the policy defining "principally engaged'" What are the appeals committee basing their decisions on now?

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Mr. Speaker, I will have to take that question as notice. Thank you.

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Question O615-12(2): Plans For Expansion And Diversification Of Fishery Industry In Baffin

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism . Mr. Speaker, I spoke earlier about my concern about the lack of response by the Department of Economic Development and Tourism to efforts of Pangnirtung business people to harvest the ripe scallop beds of Cumberland Sound. My question is, could the Minister advise the House what plans, if any, have been developed for the expansion and diversification of the fishery industry in the Baffin Region?

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John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, as I said yesterday in the House, there is a long-term plan to develop the fishery there. We recognize the importance of it to the south Baffin. We recognize the importance of it to Pangnirtung. There are two competing interests in Pangnirtung. We are extremely interested in the scallops coming out of that particular area. I know there is a problem with the vessel there. I know the engines are out of it, and there may be some cracks in the hull. I am going to lqaluit and Pangnirtung in July. I hope to resolve the issue when I am in Pangnirtung at that time, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Supplementary for the same Minister. Will the Minister table that plan sometime during this session?

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John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, we do not know what the resource is there yet. We are presently seeking a vessel to do some exploratory work over the next few years in that area, so as far as tabling a plan in the House that says what the resource is overall and what our long-term goals and objectives are with that resource, it would be hypothetical for me to say that we had one. But I will get back to the Member with how we intend to proceed over the next three or four years with a view to the exploration of that fishery. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Mr. Speaker, my supplementary to the same Minister. I had understood him to say that there is a long term development plan. Would it be possible to have that long-term development plan tabled in this House?

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John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, I will table the EDA plan that pertains to fisheries in the Baffin. That is one I was talking about regarding exploration, but as far as harvesting that resource, we do not know what is there yet, so I do not have a harvesting plan. I will table the EDA plan for that particular area. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Supplementary to the same Minister. I thought the Minister was aware that just outside of Pangnirtung Fjord there is a three-mile long, one and three-quarters wide, scallop bed that has been identified. There are two other areas that also have been identified. The one in Pangnirtung Fjord has been estimated to be 10 feet indepth. I am wondering if the Minister is aware of the scallop bed that I am talking about?

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John Pollard

Hay River

Yes, I am, Mr. Speaker. The vessel that presently has no engines, that is in Pangnirtung right now, is one of the vessels that was working in that area. I do not think it completed, before it lost its engines, all of the exploration in that area, so I know there is a resource there already but there may be more, Mr. Speaker, and that is what we intend to find out. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

I wonder it I could take this opportunity to welcome my former colleague, Mr. Peter Fraser.

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We all miss Mr. Fraser's humour in this Assembly.

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board. This is a follow-up on my colleague's question in regard to the policy regarding "principally engaged." Mr. Speaker, this whole review has been going on for a couple of years now. Why is the review committee waiting until the agencies, boards and commissions committee review is concluded?

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Mr. Minister.

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, I am surprised that the honourable Member would question why people working on an aspect of the operations of the Workers' Compensation Board that came under great scrutiny and criticism in this House in the last session and previous session-- I am surprised that the honourable Member would question why people working on that review would not want to receive advice from this House that has undertaken a fairly extensive review of the WCB, including that issue. Let me make it clear, Mr. Speaker, the review is not paralysed while they area waiting the ABC committee report.

It is ongoing, but they are going to take into account the advice of the ABC committee, if any, on that issue before they conclude their work. I do not think that is an unreasonable approach for them to be taking with regard to any committee of this Assembly.

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Zoe , supplementary.

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Mr. Speaker, I am surprised at the response the honourable Minister has just given me. On this specific issue, I am not worried about the overall comprehensive review of the agencies, boards and commissions committee review. That specific issue, in regard to that specific policy, is the one I am questioning. Why is the review committee not moving forward on it? They already know the views of the agencies, boards and commissions committee. Why can they not deal with it right away?

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, I think the real problem is money. The real reason why this issue is still not resolved is that the government has to reimburse the Workers' Compensation Board for every dollar that is provided by way of compensation to a hunter, and if the definition of a "hunter" is to be made more generous, then additional money that is now presently in the budget of Renewable Resources has to be identified to pay for those additional costs. That is a real problem.

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Question O617-12(2): Creation Of Jobs In South Baffin

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) I have a question to the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism . We all know we are facing budget restraints, and those of us from the small communities have to maintain ourselves in the small communities. In the South Baffin, we are trying to get jobs for people. We are trying to find ways to start supporting the local community economically. Can the Minister indicate to me if they are going to have a survey done on creating jobs in the communities? Could he answer my question in the next session?

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Hay River

Yes, Mr. Speaker.

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Question O618-12(2): Action Taken On Pipeline Spill

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, I have a newspaper clipping from May 4th. There is a pipeline that burst about 25 kilometres north of Fort Simpson. I know the

article is true because it was done by Mr. Mercredi.

---Laughter

I think it was the Mackenzie Times. I would like to ask the Minister responsible for Economic Development if there was any action taken with regard to containing the spill, and what kind of damage was done?

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Michael Ballantyne

With these sorts of questions, it is up to the asker of the question to attempt to verify the authenticity of the report. Mr. Gargan obviously has done that. Mr. Pollard .

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John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, I have no knowledge

of this incident. I did not read that particular newspaper, although I am sure it is a good publication. But I will look into it and report back to the House. I will take it as notice.

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Michael Ballantyne

The question is being taken as notice. Ms. Mike .

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Question O619-12(2): Long-range Plan For Corrections Services

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Page 727

Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Social Services . The Department of Social Services currently has the responsibility for corrections services. I am concerned about long-range planning for these services and the direction in which the department plans to develop. Can the Minister confirm to the House that a 15-year corrections plan is in the process of being prepared?

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Whitford .

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There is a long-term plan for corrections being undertaken. I am not certain it is 15 years. I will seek out the exact length of time that this review will be encompassing and get back to that portion of the question.

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Michael Ballantyne

The question is not taken as notice unless a Minister specifically says it is. Supplementary, Ms. Mike .

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Recognizing that concerns were made last Thursday about the need for cabinet Ministers to remain abreast of important issues, can the Minister assure the House that his departmental officials are briefing him regularly on the status of this important initiative?

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Mr. Whitford .

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Yes, Mr. Speaker.

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Mr. Koe .

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Question O620-12(2): Recommendations Of 1990 Labour Standards Law Review Panel

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Page 727

Fred Koe

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The NWT Federation of Labour states that thousands of northern workers and their families, especially single moms and workers not represented by unions, and youth, suffered from inadequate enforcement of outdated laws, such as the 1974 Labour Standards Act. To the Minister of Public Services , who I think is responsible for labour: When will the territorial government accept the recommendations which were made over two years ago by both business and labour by the 1990 labour standards lawreview panel?

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Patterson .

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, I answered questions about this issue during the last session. I informed Members of this Assembly that the department was studying the recommendations of that important review group; that we were hampered by a lack of resources and the priority that has been placed on the mine safety bill now under development; but that I was confident I would have something to report back to the Assembly on that issue this fall. Thank you.

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Question O621-12(2): Provision Of Services For Abusers And Abused

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 727

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Social Services . Earlier, I commented on the findings of the YWCA, which points out that only 2.4 per cent of male spousal abusers have had access to counselling, so that means about 97.6 per cent of male spousal abusers did not have any counselling at all. The YWCA also stressed that only 20 per cent of the women who are abused have direct access to safe shelter facilities.

Can the Minister of Social Services explain to the House why his department continues to overlook the need to provide programs and services aimed at intervening the cycle of violence, which threatens the safety and well-being of so many families across the Northwest Territories? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

I wonder if I could ask Members to take note. I think the question is presupposing something on the part of the government. Maybe I could ask the honourable Member to rephrase that question.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

I am just asking the Minister of Social Services to explain to the House what his department is doing to try to deal with the situation.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Antoine . Mr. Whitford .

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think the answer to that is in the efforts that the department is making to establish safe shelters in each of the regions and to respond to requests by the Society Against Family Violence, for instance, which has made for new initiatives that may be deemed necessary in that area. Encompassed in the safe homes will be provisions for counselling for both spouses, whichever one it may be, the children, and the abuser as well in some cases. We are endeavouring to meet the needs on a regional basis first, given the limited financial circumstances we see ourselves in.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister of Social Services a supplementary question. I would like to know what the Minister is doing to ensure that there are adequate programs and services in place in the correctional facilities, and in community-based counselling, to make sure that the abusers receive appropriate counselling. Thank you.

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Mr. Whitford .

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In situations where the person is in a facility and they themselves attempting to address a problem of spousal assault or violence, it is within the facility's mandate to provide, as much

as it can, counselling services within our corrections facilities. But the individuals themselves take on some responsibility to seek that help. We provide it wherever we can and wherever it is requested.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is evident from the statistics provided by the YWCA that only 2.4 per cent of male spousal abusers have access to counselling, and it is obvious that the existing program is not providing necessary services to them. Can the Minister explain to the House how his programs are being provided? He says they are provided in the correctional facilities. I am wondering how they were provided. Thank you,

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Mr. Whitford .

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would be glad to make arrangements for the YWCA to discuss this problem with our department, and see how we can review the report that they have, so that we can find some commonground and some solutions to it.

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Question O622-12(2): Arviat Health Committee Representative On Keewatin Regional Health Board

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Page 728

Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Health . I would like to find out if there has been an appointment made from the Arviat health committee to the Keewatin Regional Health Board to date.

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Michael Ballantyne

Ms. Cournoyea .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

No, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

I would like to know why there has not been an appointment. This vacancy has been there since November or December of 1991.

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Michael Ballantyne

Ms. Cournoyea .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, the initial delay in appointing additional members to the health boards when they became vacant, is because we had a general directive put out that we would put on hold, for a period of time, appointing members to boards and agencies unless there was a requirement for a quorum, until we had established and looked at the boards while we were going through our budget exercise. Recently, we took another change in direction, which was to put forward the appointments that are from the communities.

Because the Legislative Assembly has been in place, we have tried to keep the cabinet decision-making to a minimum, so these appointments are prepared and they are ready to go to cabinet. But at this point in time, because we are in session every morning, with caucus and other meetings, we just have not been dealing with it. As soon as the session is over and we can proceed with the paper work, they will be appointed. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Oral questions. Mr. Lewis .

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Question O623-12(2): Tabling Of Housing Needs Survey

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have heard quite a bit today about social problems in the Northwest Territories. Some half a dozen years ago, there was a major survey on housing in the Northwest Territories. I would like to ask the Minister responsible for housing whether he is going to table that housing needs survey, which was done at great expense, so that Members can have a look at it soon?

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