Debates of Oct. 21st, 1994

This is page numbers 429 - 457 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 6th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was ---agreed .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Minister's Absence From The House

Arctic College Week And Science And Technology Week

Elders' Residence In Gjoa Haven

High Cost Of Water In Summer

Timing Of Municipal Elections In Nwt

Uniqueness Of NWT Legislative Assembly

Award To Mr. Raymond Tuccaro

Lack Of Fire Protection In Small Communities

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Return To Oral Question 154-12(6): Use Of Radio Collars On Polar Bears

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Tabling Consolidation Plan Re Health And Social Services

Policy On Payment Of Salaries To Employees On Medical Leave

Funding Of Credit Unions

Investigation Of Stack Emissions At Royal Oak Mine

Funding Available For Training Of By-law Officers

Revenue Generated By Nwtpc At Snare

Revenue Canada Assistance In Preparing Income Tax Forms

Departmental Policy For Community Freezers

Unsafe Blasting Procedures

Funding For School Principals' Conference

Sanikiluaq Medical Referrals To Manitoba

Elders' Assistance In Birthing Cases

Statutory Recognition Of Midwifery Practices

Written Question 13-12(6): GNWT Policy On Recovery Of Monies Owed

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Tabled Document 36-12(6) "action Plan - Consolidation - Health And Social Services" To Committee Of The Whole

Increase In Wages And Benefits For Family Violence Prevention Workers

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Bill 1: Appropriation Act, No. 1, 1995-96Committee Report 10-12(6): Report On The Review Of The 1995-96 Capital Estimates

To Delay $70,000 From Educational Development For Video Equipment Acquisition

Bill 5: Mine Health And Safety Act

To Amend Clause 45 Of Bill 5

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 21: Third Reading Of Bills

Bill 5: Mine Health And Safety Act

Assent To Bills

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Mr. Allooloo , Mr. Antoine , Hon. Silas Arngna'naaq , Mr. Ballantyne , Hon. Nellie Cournoyea , Mr. Dent , Mr. Gargan , Mr. Lewis , Hon. Jeannie Marie-Jewell , Hon. Rebecca Mike , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Richard Nerysoo , Mr. Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. Patterson , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Mr. Pudluk , Mr. Whitford , Mr. Zoe

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---Prayer

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Good morning, item 2, Ministers' statements. Madam Premier .

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Minister's Statement 31-12(6): Minister's Absence From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, I would like to advise Members that the Honourable Stephen Kakfwi will be absent from the House today to attend a constituency meeting in Fort Good Hope. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Nerysoo .

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Minister's Statement 32-12(6): Arctic College Week And Science And Technology Week

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. As Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , I am pleased to advise you that this week and next week, we celebrate two important annual events, Arctic College Week and Science and Technology Week. I am happy to inform Members of the Legislative Assembly that many new initiatives to promote cooperation among educators, scientists and our northern communities have already begun.

Arctic College staff and students throughout the Northwest Territories are celebrating Arctic College week from October 17th to October 21st. Arctic College Week is held to promote post-secondary education and to inform people of the services provided by the campuses and community learning centres in their areas. It is also intended to emphasize the achievements of Arctic College and its cooperative relationship with the communities it serves. The theme of this year's Arctic College Week, "building community partnerships," celebrates that relationship.

To acknowledge the importance of partnership, the campuses and community learning centres of Arctic College have planned a number of public awareness activities that highlight programs produced in cooperation with municipal and tribal councils and industry.

Community teacher education programs are one example of programs produced in partnership. The Yellowknife teacher education program is sponsored by the Yellowknives Dene Band, Yellowknife's two school boards, the Department of Education, Culture and Employment and Arctic College.

Overlapping with Arctic College Week is National Science and Technology Week, which runs from October 14th to October 23rd. We celebrate this event to recognize the contribution of science and technology to northern development. This year, the Science Institute of the Northwest Territories is promoting activities at the community level.

The Science Institute's newly implemented research support programs are providing new opportunities for northerners to become involved in scientific research. We want to recognize the contribution of northerners in science and technology. Education, Culture and Employment, in conjunction with Renewable Resources, has submitted two nominations for the 1994 northern science award sponsored by Indian and Northern Affairs Canada.

The Science Institute also continues to introduce community projects demonstrating new technology. A northern wind farm has been established in Cambridge Bay as the first privately-funded alternate energy project. Also, from an educational perspective, the innovators in the schools program have been very successful this past year and have given many young northerners the opportunity to learn more about science and technology in an interactive manner.

Madam Speaker, at this time, I would like to thank all the communities, organizations and individuals who support Arctic College programs and science and technology initiatives. I invite the Members of the Legislative Assembly and residents of Yellowknife to participate in Science Sunday at the Prince of Wales Northern Heritage Centre at 2:00 pm on October 23rd.

I encourage northerners to contact the Science Institute here in Yellowknife or the research centres in Inuvik, Fort Smith, Igloolik and Iqaluit for information about science and technology programs in your area. As well, I invite you to contact community learning centres or Arctic College Campuses for information about college programs being offered this year. Thank you.

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Minister's Statement 32-12(6): Arctic College Week And Science And Technology Week

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Natilikmiot , Mr. Ningark .

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Elders' Residence In Gjoa Haven

Item 3: Members' Statements

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. As you know, the Kitikmeot is the only region in the NWT without an elders' residence. The elders in the region, especially the elders from Natilikmiot, have been expecting and looking forward to an elders' residence being built in Gjoa Haven since I first was elected to the House in 1989.

For mysterious reasons, every year, the elders' residence project has been postponed and not built. We were told that all elders' residence funding was put on hold because federal money for social housing was cut back.

This fall, my honourable colleague Mr. Kelvin Ng and I discovered the funding for the Gjoa Haven elders' residence was deleted from the capital plans.

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An Hon. Member

Shame.

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you. Being concerned, Madam Speaker, about this matter, I contacted Mayor Uriash Puqiqnak of Gjoa Haven to discuss it further. He was as surprised as I was to learn of the deletion of the elders' residence project. I have met with Madam Premier , who is also the Minister of Health and Social Services; the Honourable John Pollard , the Minister of Finance ; and the Honourable Don Morin , Minister of Public Works and Services . They have all agreed to reconsider addressing the needs in Kitikmeot, as my colleague, Mr. Ng , and I continue to pursue this matter on behalf of our elders.

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An Hon. Member

Good.

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Elders' Residence In Gjoa Haven

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

I ask the government to seriously revisit this very important issue of elders' residences for the Kitikmeot by reinstating the funding for the Gjoa Haven residence and by addressing the needs in the western Kitikmeot. Thank you.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Lewis .

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High Cost Of Water In Summer

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Speaker. This summer has been one of the driest summers on record, with very low rainfall levels. The natural course of events when you get very little rain is that the land gets dry, you get fires, and where you get fires, you get smoke, and because of the smoke, the mosquitoes die. They don't live very long.

People can understand that. People are happy with that. But, there is a certain lack of logic for many of my constituents who can't understand why, living by one of the biggest lakes in the world -- one of the top ten, which is pretty clean, compared with most of the others; even though we have some pollution, it is still pretty clean -- with so much water around us, that we have such high summer water rates. It is so easy to get water in the summer. Many of our dried out properties are causing

consternation among many of our citizens who enjoy gardening...

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An Hon. Member

Hear, hear.

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

...and would like to have a nice place, with nice flowers and nice vegetables and so on. This can be compared with the small towns in the desert around Kelowna where the water rates are still very, very low compared to ours. The $160 a month for water is an awful lot. The city of Yellowknife has this responsibility that we cannot really interfere with.

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Hear, hear.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Gargan .

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Timing Of Municipal Elections In Nwt

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I rise in this House today to offer my congratulations on behalf of my constituents to all the recently-elected officials in all the tax-based municipalities. It was very nice to see the seeds of democracy again take root in Iqaluit.

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Hear, hear.

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

As an aboriginal, it was very gratifying to see Mr. Joe Kunuk, an Inuk, elected as a mayor in one of the Northwest Territories largest tax-based municipalities.

I, too, would have liked to have been able to have risen as the same time as my honourable colleagues, full of praise and good will, and congratulate the people elected in town and educational councils in my own constituencies. But that was not to be. For this reason, Madam Speaker, as usual, I am a bit confused. Why do the tax-based communities get to have their election in the fall or, at least, what passes for fall in the Northwest Territories?

Maybe the residents of the tax-based communities can't handle the cold. Maybe they are afraid to go out in the dark. Why do smaller hamlets or charter communities get to have their election in December, which is definitely the dead of winter in the Northwest Territories? Is it because everyone works in a tax-based community and their officials want to make sure there is no daylight or no raging snowstorm on election day?

I think that whoever decided that community elections in the north should be held in December was a little addled. Maybe they thought that the residents in the smaller communities are more likely to be pursuing traditional lifestyles, such as hunting and fishing, so they would have nothing better to do in December than to fight their way through a blinding snowstorm to exercise their right to vote.

Indeed, Madam Speaker, in the high Arctic, there is total darkness during the election, which may or may not be appropriate.

---Laughter

I don't think, Madam Speaker, there is an appropriate time for an election in the Northwest Territories. The spring is no good in some areas because of ratting season. The summer is no good in other areas because...

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Mr. Gargan .

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Madam Speaker, I would like to have unanimous consent to continue my statement.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Gargan .

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Speaker and honourable Members. The summer is no good in other areas because of fishing and hunting. Fall and winter are no good because people go hunting for moose and caribou. Fall is also open season on ducks and, I guess, municipal politicians in tax-based municipalities. Summer is no good in a lot of smaller communities because that is when the construction and tourism employment occurs. It is also no good in Yellowknife because half of the government employees take off on holidays.

I don't know, Madam Speaker. Maybe the dead of winter with no sunlight and the chance of a blizzard is the best time to hold an election in the smaller, mostly aboriginal, communities in the Northwest Territories. Like I said, Madam Speaker, I am confused.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife South , Mr. Whitford .

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Uniqueness Of NWT Legislative Assembly

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Merci, Madame la presidente, bonjour. Madam Speaker, this past summer...

---Laughter

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Some Hon. Members

Keep on going.

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Madam Speaker, I am working myself towards a full statement in French one of these days and with all due respect to my Francophone constituents, I won't do it quite yet.

As I started to say, this past summer I had the pleasure of touring quite a number of delegations through this building. For some reason or other, I happened to be at the right place at the right time. I am asked to do it on very short notice and, believe me, I thoroughly enjoy it. I have had the pleasure of taking people through this building and showing them every nook and cranny while the Members were away and were able to get into the areas that probably are inaccessible during the normal sitting times.

It gives me great pleasure to do that because we do have a very unique system of government and a very proud building. It represents the people of the north, which I keep referring to when I tell them about the animal pelts, the shape of the building, the languages that are written on our direction boards, et cetera. They all prove to be of interest to visitors. I have met the ambassador from India, Switzerland, Indonesia, the Consul General from the Netherlands, et cetera.

Just today, Madam Speaker, I have had the pleasure of touring through the building with a delegation from Yakutia in Russia. They are here in the city on an exchange basis with the Department of Public Works to learn northern ways of doing things in northern climates.

Madam Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to continue.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Whitford .

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Speaker and colleagues. It is always an important part of our culture to be able to show other people how we do things. We do have a uniqueness and I always take great pride in pointing out what the little windows on the outside of our chamber mean. It is the fact that we do translate, at any time, in this Legislative Assembly, eight languages; soon to be nine when we introduce Michif.

---Laughter

With that, I just wanted to tell you how pleased I was this past summer to have the pleasure of introducing our own unique way of government to many people from around the world. I will introduce this delegation later on, Madam Speaker. I would like to say to them welcome to our Legislative Assembly.

---Applause

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife North , Mr. Ballantyne .

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Award To Mr. Raymond Tuccaro

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, this week, a number of Members attended a special ceremony here in the great hall, where Mr. Kakfwi , our Minister of Justice , presented the corrections exemplary service medal to Mr. Raymond Tuccaro, one of my constituents, on behalf of the Governor General of Canada.

The corrections exemplary service medal recognizes the special obligations and hazardous conditions of services of those peace officers, whose duties bring them into daily contact with offenders in the Canadian corrections program. It is a tremendous honour for Mr. Tuccaro and a tremendous honour for our government. I am sure all Members will join me in congratulating Mr. Tuccaro for a very well-deserved honour.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Iqaluit , Mr. Patterson .

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

---Laughter

And I've been observing the influence of our language on the proceedings of this Assembly. What you should know about our culture, the qallunaaq culture, is that sometimes, or maybe I should say very often, we qallunaaqs say the exact opposite of what we really mean.

I'll give a few examples. In court, when lawyers want to ridicule their opponent's argument, they refer to the other lawyer as "my learned friend," or where the other is really off the wall, "my esteemed learned friend."

An equivalent has developed in this House, Madam Speaker. When a Member wishes to disagree with an honourable Member, especially when it is an ordinary Member who has the gall to criticize the Minister, you will sometimes hear the phrase -- and sometimes I use this phrase myself, but quite rarely -- "with respect." If the Minister has said something really ridiculous...

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An Hon. Member

(Microphone turned off)

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

You wait. If the Minister has said something really ridiculous, you will sometimes hear the reply prefaced with "with all due respect." This means you get as much respect from me as you deserve, which isn't very much.

---Laughter

When the Minister is really out to lunch -- and of course, that happens very rarely in our House -- you will hear the phrase "with the greatest respect." This means that the Minister deserves hardly any respect at all.

---Laughter

Now, I'm going to have to ask for some more time to complete my Member's statement, with the greatest of respect.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to continue with his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Proceed, Mr. Patterson .

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 432

Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I'm glad I'm allowed to conclude this because now I'm going to turn to Ministers.

Madam Speaker, ordinary Members are not the only ones who use this kind of language. How do we know when Ministers are showing their true feelings about ordinary Members? Ministers are a little bit more subtle, but there are ways of telling what they really think. For example, when I had the pleasure of serving in Cabinet with Mr. Ballantyne , I always thought he was a master of fending off what he thought was a totally useless question. You could always tell when he thought the question was absolutely silly by his response; after a long, pregnant pause, he would say, "The Member has raised a very good question."

---Laughter

Then he would say, "however," or -- long pause -- "the Member makes a very valid point, but..."

In the current Cabinet, I have made one clear observation; it has to do with Mr. Nerysoo . I have, with careful analysis, figured out that you can calculate exactly how much Mr. Nerysoo disagrees with a Member's point of view very easily. All you have to do to determine how much Mr. Nerysoo disagrees with you is count the number of times he uses the phrase "the honourable Member" in answering the Member's point. It's a very simple formula.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 432

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Antoine .

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Lack Of Fire Protection In Small Communities

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 433

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, today I would like to talk about a concern that I've had over the years with regard to fire protection and fire insurance coverage that is lacking in a lot of the smaller communities, including the communities that I represent: Jean Marie River, Nahanni Butte, Trout Lake and other communities.

I say this because the government here is building infrastructures in the communities such as homes that cost over $100,000 a piece, and we are building new buildings, as well, such as schools, community centres, and two and three-bay garages that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. Yet, the fire protection is lacking in these communities. I say this because in some of my communities there have been fires. For example, in Jean Marie River over the last five years, there were seven fires that took out some homes and three-bay garages. Nahanni Butte band office burned down some time ago.

In Trout Lake there were a number of fires, including a fire that took out the chicken coop last year and destroyed the chickens there and their program. The fire protection that is there is not adequate.

One of the ideas I've been trying to push with the department is to put some pumps, the type of pumps that are used in fighting forest fires, with enough hose to reach the furthest house away from the water source. If you have this type of protection there, along with what they have -- chemicals -- I think that would help because some of these communities are too small to warrant fire trucks and they don't have water systems, as well. So this type of protection would certainly help them.

With fire insurance coverage, I think these communities, because they don't have fire protection, are not eligible for fire insurance coverage. So we are building expensive infrastructures in small communities, yet we cannot protect them with fire insurance, and I have a concern about that. So I would just like to express that the government do something about that. Thank you.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 433

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Nerysoo .

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Further Return To Question 205-12(6): Planned Use Of Akaitcho In Arctic College Plans

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 433

Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. This is an oral question that was asked by the honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Lewis , on October 20, 1994, with regard to planned use of Akaitcho in Arctic College plans.

The college system in the Northwest Territories, as you know, is decentralized. It includes campuses and community learning centres across the north which offer programs and services designed to meet local and territorial education and training needs.

The college's head office in the west is located in Fort Smith. College programs are offered in Yellowknife and at the Thebacha and Aurora campuses.

We are currently examining the potential use of Akaitcho Hall to house both the administration and delivery of some of the college programs offered in Yellowknife. The college's Yellowknife activities are offered widely throughout the community and consolidating them in fewer locations would result in a more efficient and effective operation. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Further Return To Question 205-12(6): Planned Use Of Akaitcho In Arctic College Plans

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 433

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. I'm sorry, I didn't see your hand up, Mr. Arngna'naaq , for returns to oral questions.

I'll go back to item 4, returns to oral questions. The honourable Member for Kivallivik , Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Return To Oral Question 154-12(6): Use Of Radio Collars On Polar Bears

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 433

Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I have a return to oral question asked by Mr. Pudluk on October 17, 1994 on the use of radio collars on polar bears. The particular study the honourable Member is referring to is being conducted in the Alaskan part of the Arctic Ocean. Canadian and American biologists worked from two ice breakers that were travelling to the North Pole from Alaska. Two adult female bears were captured and fitted with satellite radio collars. The bears are being monitored by Alaskan researchers.

Madam Speaker, radio collars are an important tool used in polar bear management. They are used to track polar bear movements and to determine population boundaries. Once this is known, other studies are done to estimate population size in order to ensure that a population is not over harvested. The Department of Renewable Resources will continue to use radio collars whenever they are the best method of obtaining information for managing polar bears. Communities are always consulted before a study using radio collars can begin within the Northwest Territories.

During the last two years in the Northwest Territories, polar bear research and management studies have been focused from McLure Strait east to Baffin Bay. Last fall, radio collars were attached to polar bears in this area. Good information on polar bear movements was collected and biologists began removing collars this fall. The remaining radio collars will be removed next spring. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 433

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Yellowknife South , Mr. Whitford .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 433

Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Speaker and colleagues. I have the pleasure today of introducing to you the delegation from Yakutia in Russia. The four gentlemen and two ladies who are in the gallery are on a business exchange program with the Department of Public Works and Services under the

Honourable Don Morin , to learn Canadian ways of doing business, particularly with regard to project management.

As you well aware, there are a lot of exchanges between Canadians and the Russians in the northern parts to develop ways and means of building and managing buildings. They will be here until December 19th, then they will be going back to Yakutia for Christmas. But, to our pleasure, they will be coming back to Yellowknife again in January to complete their experience. I would like to welcome them to our Legislative Assembly.

---Applause

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 434

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. May I remind honourable colleagues that, when they recognize visitors in the gallery, they do have a 30 second time limit. I would like to caution you on that for the future. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Prior to going to oral questions, there are a couple of rulings that I would like to advise Members about.

Speaker's Rulings

Yesterday, the honourable Member for Kitikmeot , Mr. Ng , raised a point of order respecting the chair, redirecting a question asked by him to another Minister other than the Minister he had addressed it to. Firstly, I should state that no one can raise a point of order against the Speaker.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 434

Some Hon. Members

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 434

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

As Speaker, it is my role to adjudicate between Members on points of order. Rule 12(2) provides that when I have decided points of orders or privileges, my decision is not the subject of debate or appeal.

In reviewing unedited Hansard, page 1005, I note that Mr. Ng asked a question relating to the protection of by-law officers. As Members are aware, by-law areas fall within the jurisdiction of municipalities. Therefore, normally this question would be within the realm of responsibility of the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs. In an effort to assist the Member for Kitikmeot in getting his question answered, I felt the Minister responsible for the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs would be able to respond to the Member's question. I note also that on page 1005 of the unedited Hansard that the Minister did, in fact, answer the question.

However, on more detailed examination of the question in Hansard, it appeared that the Member was seeking information relating to the legal status of by-law officers, as that legal status pertains to peace officers under the Criminal Code of Canada. As Members are aware, the Criminal Code is a federal statute and, technically speaking, our Minister of Justice has no authority or jurisdiction over it. The issue is one that may cross two Ministers' responsibility.

However, since the Minister of Justice cannot be asked questions that are not a matter he has direct responsibility for, the Member could ask a written question to the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs because this issue could require a detailed technical and legal response.

The enabling legislation dealing with the appointment of by-law officers falls clearly under the responsibility of the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs. Therefore, I rule that the Member does not have a point of order.

In addition, yesterday, the honourable Member for Yellowknife North , Mr. Ballantyne , during question period, asked the Minister responsible for the Power Corporation if the Cabinet had approved the 22 per cent low-water surcharge. The Minister answered Mr. Ballantyne 's initial question and the Member for Yellowknife North then asked a supplementary question, if the Minister had approved the proposed 22 per cent low-water surcharge.

At that point, I only cautioned the Member on this particular issue and the Member then raised a point of order. I advised the Member that I would take the issue under advisement and review the unedited Hansard. I have now had an opportunity to review the unedited Hansard, page 988 and 989, and am prepared to comment on this matter to the House.

From reviewing Hansard, it is evident that I did not rule the Member's question out of order and, in fact, the Member was able to ask his initial question and three supplementaries. I merely cautioned the Member that this particular issue was before the Public Utilities Board. As Members are well aware, rule 23(

g) prohibits reference to any matter before a quasi-judicial or administrative body where any person may be prejudiced in such matter by the reference.

It is the role of the chair to alert Members to the possible application of the sub judice rule so as to ensure that the Members do not cross the boundaries of what is an acceptable question. In making my comments yesterday, I was merely carrying out my responsibility as Speaker, so as to ensure that there is no violation of our rules, intentional or inadvertent. As stated in my earlier ruling on Mr. Ng 's point of order, points of orders cannot be raised against a decision of the Speaker. Therefore, the Member for Yellowknife North does not have a point of order.

Item 6, oral questions.

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Question 212-12(6): Tabling Consolidation Plan Re Health And Social Services

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 434

Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Madam Speaker, the Premier made a statement yesterday about the amalgamation of the departments of Health and Social Services. In that statement, she promised to table a detailed plan. I would like to ask the Premier if she is going to be tabling that plan today because I do not believe it was tabled in the House yesterday, as she had indicated she would do in her statement. Thank you.

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Question 212-12(6): Tabling Consolidation Plan Re Health And Social Services

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 434

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. The Premier is not in the House. The honourable Member for Hay River , Mr. Pollard .

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Question 212-12(6): Tabling Consolidation Plan Re Health And Social Services

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 435

John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, good morning. Yes, we will be tabling that particular document today. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 435

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for High Arctic , Mr. Pudluk .

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Question 213-12(6): Policy On Payment Of Salaries To Employees On Medical Leave

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 435

Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

Thank you, Madam Speaker, good morning. I would like to ask the Minister of the Financial Management Board, what is the policy for the payment of salaries to employees who are forced to take time off for health reasons on a doctor's orders?

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Question 213-12(6): Policy On Payment Of Salaries To Employees On Medical Leave

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 435

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Finance , Mr. Pollard .

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Question 213-12(6): Policy On Payment Of Salaries To Employees On Medical Leave

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 435

John Pollard

Hay River

Madam Speaker, I will take the question as notice. Thank you.

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Question 213-12(6): Policy On Payment Of Salaries To Employees On Medical Leave

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 435

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Amittuq , Mr. Allooloo .

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Question 214-12(6): Funding Of Credit Unions

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 435

Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism a question. The Minister stated that his department is looking at possibly funding the credit union, which was good news to us. Could the Minister report to the House as to the approval of funds that might be coming forth? Thank you.

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Question 214-12(6): Funding Of Credit Unions

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 435

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

I am sorry. The Minister of Economic Development and Tourism is not in the House. The honourable Member for Hay River , Mr. Pollard .

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Question 214-12(6): Funding Of Credit Unions

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 435

John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I think the Minister is having his officials approach the EDA Secretariat and I will take the question as notice with regard to the time frame involved in making that presentation. Thank you.

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Question 214-12(6): Funding Of Credit Unions

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 435

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Lewis .

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Question 215-12(6): Investigation Of Stack Emissions At Royal Oak Mine

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 435

Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Two local people made an application, under the Environmental Rights Act, to get the Department of Renewable Resources, responsible for environmental matters, to investigate stack emissions at Giant Mine. I would like to ask the Minister what the result of that investigation was.

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Question 215-12(6): Investigation Of Stack Emissions At Royal Oak Mine

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 435

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Renewable Resources , Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Question 215-12(6): Investigation Of Stack Emissions At Royal Oak Mine

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 435

Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

The results of the applications made by the two individuals have resulted in an investigation of air pollution from the Royal Oak/Giant Yellowknife Mine. It was determined by health officials that there really is no need for concern.

However, they indicated that the department's monitoring stations remain below levels which could cause a significant health risk to the city residents and the sulphur dioxide that could affect human health isn't a concern. These were the results that we received from health officials. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 435

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Lewis .

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Question 215-12(6): Investigation Of Stack Emissions At Royal Oak Mine

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 435

Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

It is my understanding, Madam Speaker, that the mine agreed to negotiate with the government on this issue, in an attempt to reduce emissions, even though they weren't at a critical level. What form is that negotiation taking?

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Question 215-12(6): Investigation Of Stack Emissions At Royal Oak Mine

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 435

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Renewable Resources , Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Question 215-12(6): Investigation Of Stack Emissions At Royal Oak Mine

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 435

Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, there have been initial discussions by the department and Royal Oak Mine. The joint work which has been initiated with mine officials to examine options available to reduce the sulphur dioxide levels in Yellowknife is presently going on at this point. However, I would like to bring together community leaders -- namely. the two chiefs in the area of Yellowknife, the Metis Nation, the Yellowknife MLAs, the new mayor of Yellowknife, representatives of the Department of Indian and Northern Affairs, Environment Canada and a mine representative -- to try to come to an agreeable solution to the problems we have with the mine. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Question 215-12(6): Investigation Of Stack Emissions At Royal Oak Mine

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 435

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Natilikmiot , Mr. Ningark .

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Question 216-12(6): Funding Available For Training Of By-law Officers

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 435

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

(Translation) Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of MACA. In the communities, there are by-laws officers. They are usually in the smaller and larger communities. They have to take some kind of training. Do they train the by-law officers under the departments funding? Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Question 216-12(6): Funding Available For Training Of By-law Officers

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 435

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, Ms. Mike .

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Question 216-12(6): Funding Available For Training Of By-law Officers

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 436

Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

(Translation) Thank you, Madam Speaker. At this time, there is no funding for training for by-laws officers. During 1995-96, we will be trying to come up with funding for that particular area. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife North , Mr. Ballantyne .

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I thank you for your ruling. I totally respect the jurisdiction of the Public Utilities Board. My line of questioning is the owners' responsibility in the decision-making. So my question today is to the Minister of Finance . It seems from the Premier , that Cabinet isn't involved in the decision. The Premier is only peripherally involved in the decision. So the owners are really out of the equation. Surely the Minister of Finance would get financial advice.

My understanding is between 1989 and this summer, the water levels were much higher than the 30-year historic average. The 30-year historic average is 152 gigawatt hours. The levels were higher over that period of time and that generated an extra $7 million to go into the overall system. Was the Minister informed that there was an extra $7 million generated by the Snare system during this period of time?

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John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, it was drawn to my attention some two weeks ago, that there may have been, shall we say, above-average water in the system in previous years, and that might have generated a bonus. It was drawn to my attention, but I have seen no figures or details. I didn't get that from the Power Corporation. It came up in discussion with our lawyers who are representing us, as customers, and other people of the Northwest Territories at the PUB hearings. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Ballantyne .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 436

Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Supplementary to the Minister of Finance . It would seem to me that the Minister of Finance , because we are the owner of the Power Corporation, has certain financial responsibilities in this area. When a decision is going to be made by the Power Corporation which will have very serious impacts on the number of communities in the Northwest Territories, the Power Corporation would make all the information available to the government. Would the Minister agree that the Power Corporation has an obligation to make all

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John Pollard

Hay River

Madam Speaker, the Power Corporation is run by its board of directors and it reports to the government and this House, through the Minister responsible, which is the Premier . So in that respect, there is a reporting line and, obviously, as owners of the corporation, we are keenly interested in how the corporation is doing. But do we get into the details on a daily basis? No, Madam Speaker, that is left to the Minister in charge. Thank you.

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Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Ballantyne .

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Page 436

Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you. The Minister is aware that under the legislation, the Minister responsible for the Power Corporation can issue directives to the Power Corporation. Would you agree that the Minister responsible for the Power Corporation has it within her power to direct the Power Corporation to have put this extra money which is generated for the whole system into a fund to deal with low-water use?

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John Pollard

Hay River

Madam Speaker, the Power Corporation has not advised me and I do not know if they've advised the Premier that there might have been some bonus water in years gone by. I would reiterate that it was drawn to my attention during a meeting on how our lawyers would represent us in the PUB hearings. So I don't have any hard and fast data in that regard. But, obviously, the honourable Member has researched this issue, as well, so there may be some meat in this rumour that there was above-average water in the system.

With regard to a directive being issued by the Premier or Minister responsible for the corporation, I guess the answer to that is yes. But I think that what has happened is that the corporation is operating, and even though we freely admit that we own 100 per cent of the corporation, the corporation operates at arm's length from the government as much as possible and the corporation went through the public process of applying to the Public Utilities Board for this particular increase. They would have had to apply to the Public Utilities Board to enable themselves to set up a reserve, I believe, Madam Speaker.

So, yes, I suppose we could have told them to do it, but I think the Minister responsible has chosen to let the Power Corporation do these things in front of the Public Utilities Board where everybody can have an input. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Final supplementary.

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Final supplementary to the Minister of Finance , Madam Speaker. I would like to get the assurance of the Minister of Finance that in future when the Power Corporation is going to appear in front of the PUB and ask for an extraordinary increase such as this, that the owner and the Minister of Finance , on behalf of the board of directors, I suppose, the 24 of us, will ensure that the total information package is available; and if there is going to be a severe impact on a community or a number of communities, that a better process of information exchange is developed. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Minister of Finance , Mr. Pollard .

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John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I'll pass on that concern to the Premier . Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Baffin South , Mr. Pudlat .

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Question 218-12(6): Revenue Canada Assistance In Preparing Income Tax Forms

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 437

Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question will be directed to the Minister of Finance . First, I would like to thank him for coming to Cape Dorset and Sanikiluaq, and for having people from Revenue Canada come to those communities. Secondly, I'm sure people are already aware of what I will be mentioning. We did not know in Cape Dorset or Lake Harbour about the following.

Many of the carvers ended up owing a lot of money to Revenue Canada and we seem to have a problem with this. I wonder, Madam Speaker, if the Minister of Finance will be able to prepare, for the new tax year, information for people on how to properly fill out their income tax forms and to avoid further debit to Revenue Canada, especially for the carvers who have a big problem with this. Will the Minister be able to provide some more staff to visit the communities in dealing with income tax returns? Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

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John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, it's true that Revenue Canada did visit south Baffin communities last year. They have told us that it was a useful experience and they felt that people in the communities learned. Unfortunately, the Sanikiluaq hotel was under renovation at that time. There were no accommodations there so they didn't make it to Sanikiluaq, but they will be, in fact, going there this year. I understand that the communities appreciated the visit as well, and we are working with Revenue Canada now to see if those visits can occur again this spring.

Madam Speaker, I would also point out to the honourable Member that if there is some kind of hardship with regard to people who are just catching up with the system and they owe large amounts of money, Revenue Canada has told me in the past that they would be willing to work out terms that are not too onerous on people in order to catch up those arrears, Madam Speaker. Just for the information for the Member. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Kitikmeot , Mr. Ng .

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Question 219-12(6): Departmental Policy For Community Freezers

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 437

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question to the Minister of Renewable Resources . I would like to ask the Minister if his department currently has a policy to deal with community freezers. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Renewable Resources , Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

The area in which the Department of Renewable Resources has been involved in the community freezers has been basically to pass it on to the community hunters' and trappers' associations who have been monitoring and maintaining the freezers in the communities. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I recognize that may be adequate for communities that have freezers. My question is whether the policy would address establishing freezers in communities that currently don't have them. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. At the present time, we are looking...I believe it's the Department of Public Works which is doing an analysis of the use of community freezers in those communities which do have community freezers; and to re-look at whether the use of community freezers are an efficient means of these facilities. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. In two of my communities, they have no power so the establishment of community freezers is very critical to them in the storage of their meat over the course of the summer. I would like to ask the Minister, would it be a priority of his department to address these issues in communities where there is no power and where there are no community freezers. Thank you.

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. For the communities that are making requests for community freezers, at the present time, we are doing a review on this particular policy. We are still receiving requests from communities which do not have community freezers. We're looking at ways in which we would be able to address the needs for community freezers, at the present time. Thank you.

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Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Final supplementary. I would like to ask the Minister then, when he would expect the review of this policy to address these community freezers to be completed. Thank you.

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I believe the review started this past summer. We should have a complete assessment sometime next year, but I don't have any firm dates at this point, Madam Speaker.

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Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife South , Mr. Whitford .

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Question 220-12(6): Unsafe Blasting Procedures

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 438

Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, in 1993, a blasting incident took place here in the city of Yellowknife. A lot of work goes on for building buildings, streets and so on that requires lots of rock to be blasted out of the way, and companies come in to do this kind of work. It is a dangerous business at the best of times, Madam Speaker, but if all the safety regulations are not maintained, it puts the public in danger.

There was an incident where a rock went through a roof of a trailer in my constituency. I want to ask the Minister responsible for Safety and Public Services , under whose department inspections come, what has been done about this incident. In many opinions, the safety procedures were not followed. What is being done?

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Page 438

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Minister of Safety and Public Services , Mr. Nerysoo .

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I want to indicate to the honourable Member that the case that was brought forward against the individuals involved has been withdrawn, on the advice of the Department of Justice, because of some technical issues that allowed the individuals to carry out the work they were doing were under a permit that had already been issued.

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The issue of safety comes under the Minister's responsibility. I recognize the fact that, legally, there may be some technical matters that may prevent the case from going ahead, but the question of safety still prevails. My biggest concern and the public's concern is safety. I will ask the Minister whether or not these same companies that were involved in this incident are being inspected a little bit more, perhaps, to ensure all regulations are complied with so the public are in a safe position while work is being done.

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. So I can be clear about this, what had occurred was that a safety officer had authorized the use of a previously-issued permit without indicating to the individuals that there was a requirement for them to undertake to apply and receive a new permit. That situation hasn't been rectified. There is a requirement now for the individuals to apply and receive new licences to blast anywhere.

They have been advised and the appropriate safety measures have been undertaken by the safety officers.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Natilikmiot , Mr. Ningark .

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Question 221-12(6): Funding For School Principals' Conference

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 438

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, my question is directed to the honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . Madam Speaker, I am informed by my region that Kitikmeot school principals will be meeting in Yellowknife to attend the school principal's conference.

Madam Speaker, when the group gets together to meet, usually, in most cases, the meeting is funded by the government or other organizations. My question to the honourable Minister is, is this conference fully funded by this government? Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you. I assume that, one way or another, we fully fund the conference, whether it is through the board or through some offsetting cost to us. With regard to the conference, I was unaware of it, and will take the question as notice.

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Page 439

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Baffin South , Mr. Pudlat .

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Question 222-12(6): Sanikiluaq Medical Referrals To Manitoba

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 439

Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Health . Madam Speaker, in the Keewatin, if there is going to be a hospital built, we, from Sanikiluaq are not against this idea. But the people of Sanikiluaq would rather go to Winnipeg for emergencies. I wonder whether the people of Sanikiluaq would be able to go to Churchill and Winnipeg for medical attention. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Health , Madam Premier .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, Sanikiluaq is part of the discussions on the proposal to have a health facility in the Keewatin and how the referrals will be taken care of, once a facility is built in the Keewatin. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Amittuq , Mr. Allooloo .

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Question 223-12(6): Elders' Assistance In Birthing Cases

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 439

Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Some time ago, the Department of Health established a birthing centre in, I believe, the community of Rankin Inlet. I asked the Minister about allowing elders and local people to assist pregnant women to have their babies in the communities, rather than going out of the communities for six to eight weeks, away from their families. That disrupts many families and contributes to social problems.

I wonder, if there are capable people in the communities and if a pregnant woman is not in danger of complications, if the department is open to allowing community members to take over where they would really love to, along with nurses?

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, the issue of birthing centres is actively being looked at as an option to provide services closer to home. The Rankin Inlet project was the pilot project and we are doing an evaluation of it right at the moment. I believe, through re-looking at health care delivery, that we should support the use of elders and people who have traditional knowledge about birthing. This is one of the elements of providing health care closer to home, that is supported by the department. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Since the department supports that kind of initiative, would the Minister support my community of Pond Inlet, where there is a group of people who have assisted pregnant women to give birth against the policy of this government in the past? I believe last year there were a few births assisted by traditional midwives. Would they support that kind of group now? Thank you.

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Thank you. Minister of Health , Madam Premier .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, what I would suggest is that we almost have completed an evaluation of the Rankin Inlet pilot project and we would be interested in discussing the issue with the

honourable Member's constituents on how we can marry that to the responsibility of government.

As the Member is aware, in all issues like this, once the government takes the responsibility, there are certain legislative responsibilities that aren't placed on community midwives. That raises the question about just how far we can go. But, we would be interested in discussing that with his constituency. Thank you.

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The Minister seems to be saying that there is legislation that hampers the people in the community who are traditional midwives in their practice. What kind of legislation is that?

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Thank you. Minister of Health , Madam Premier .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

The legislation, Madam Speaker, and the policies guide how we provide health

services and programs to individuals. Once a process such as midwifery comes under the umbrella of health care of government, then it becomes more complicated because there are more protections for the patient that would have to be addressed because of the responsibility and legislation that guides the health care system in the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Allooloo .

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Madam Speaker. So, my constituents who are assisting pregnant women to give birth outside of normal practice using traditional knowledge -- which allows the mothers to stay with their kids and husbands in the community and prevents the need for these women to go outside of the community, specifically to Iqaluit -- are breaking the law? Is that what the Minister is saying?

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Minister of Health , Madam Premier .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, the issue is, once that practice is brought under the umbrella of the government, there are certain legal obligations that the government has for patients, that is not inherent in the practice outside of the system. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Iqaluit , Mr. Patterson .

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Question 224-12(6): Statutory Recognition Of Midwifery Practices

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 440

Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Madam Speaker, I would like to like to ask the honourable Minister of Health some further questions about midwifery. Madam Speaker, I understand there are legal constraints presently in place, but I would like to ask the Minister, are there not good legislative models available from progressive jurisdictions like Ontario, where midwives have been given statutory recognition and given the protection of that government. Thank you.

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, yes that information is well-known to the department because this issue is not a new issue. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister then, is the department considering developing appropriate legislation for the Northwest Territories to eliminate some of the current legal issues that seem to be impeding the growth of midwifery in the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, because the issue isn't new, there has been a collection of material on how a process could work in the Northwest Territories. It was the government's decision to try a pilot project in Rankin Inlet to see how it worked and where some impediments might constrain the broader delivery of midwifery in all the communities. The information is available, but the pilot project was necessary to see if there could be some areas that could be improved upon by operating the program in one community. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Madam Speaker, I realize the pilot project may not be fully complete, but it has been up and running for some time now. I would like to ask the Minister, is the pilot project in Rankin Inlet demonstrating that midwifery could be successfully used in the Northwest Territories as an alternative to sending mothers away for childbirth in remote locations. Thank you.

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, it is my understanding to a certain degree, up to what we know