Debates of Feb. 18th, 2003

This is page numbers 123 - 156 of the Hansard for the 14th Assembly, 6th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

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Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Remembering Cliff King

Passing Of Cliff King

Gwich'in Contracting Memorandum Of Understanding

Anticipation Of The Federal Budget

Firearms Registration In The Northwest Territories

Arsenic Storage At Giant Mine

Condition Of Highway No. 3 Between Rae And Yellowknife

Affordable And Equitable Capital Planning Process Required

Representation On NWT Athletic Teams

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Need For A Physiotherapist In Hay River

Compliance With Federal Firearms Legislation

Representation On NWT Athletic Teams

Medical Travel For Periodontal Treatment

Addressing Highway No. 3 Concerns

Options For Dealing With Arsenic Trioxide At Giant Mine

Requirement For Physicians In Hay River

Medical Travel Co-payment

Gwich'in Contracting Memorandum Of Understanding

GNWT Share Of Medical Travel Co-payment

Access To Basic Levels Of Health Service

Gwich'in Contracting Memorandum Of Understanding

Revert To Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 10: Replies To Budget Address

Tabled Document 15-14(6): Government Of The Northwest Territories Business Plans, 2003-2006

Bill 6: Electoral Boundaries Commission Act

Bill 7:

An Act To Amend The Legislative Assembly And Executive Council Act

Bill 8:

An Act To Amend The Elections Act

Bill 4:

An Act To Amend The Consumer Protection Act

Bill 5:

An Act To Amend The Motor Vehicles Act

Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Bill 3: Appropriation Act, 2003-2004

Item 21: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 23: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Roger Allen , Honourable Jim Antoine , Mr. Bell , Mr. Braden , Mr. Delorey , Mr. Dent , Mrs. Groenewegen , Honourable Joe Handley , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Lafferty , Ms. Lee , Mr. McLeod , Honourable Michael Miltenberger , Mr. Nitah , Honourable Jake Ootes , Mr. Roland , Honourable Vince Steen , Honourable Tony Whitford

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 123

The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Ootes .

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Minister's Statement 16-14(6): Remembering Cliff King

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 123

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, I stand today to advise the House of the passing of a great educator yesterday in Yellowknife.

Mr. Cliff King of Inuvik was a dedicated teacher working for more than 30 years in Inuvik at the Samuel Hearne Secondary School. Mr. King will long be remembered as a teacher with a keen sense of humour who cared for his students, his profession and his community. He was a part of the school community, giving of himself in ways too numerous to mention. Many people in Inuvik will remember the 25 years Mr. King dedicated to his hockey teams and those he coached.

He demonstrated dedication not only to his students, but also to his profession. Most recently, Mr. King served as a vital member for the Northwest Territories Teachers' Association, in the current collective bargaining sessions here in Yellowknife.

His passing will be a great loss to our teaching community in the North, and for the community of Inuvik.

Our hearts and prayers go out to his wife Jodie and sons David and Jason. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 16-14(6): Remembering Cliff King

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 123

The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you. Indeed our condolences go from this House to the family. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Roland .

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Passing Of Cliff King

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 123

Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I, as well, would like to rise today and speak on the passing of Mr. Cliff King. Mr. Speaker, I had opportunity to work with Mr. King in my role as a Member of the Legislative Assembly and his involvement with education as a teacher on the negotiating team. But even before that, Mr. Speaker, I had opportunity to deal with Mr. Cliff King as a young student at Samuel Hearne Secondary School as he taught me a couple of courses in accounting, and his commitment to our community is one that will be missed.

It's difficult to express the loss that members of the community and his family would feel. Our prayers go out to his family for their loss at this time and to the rest of the teachers that he's dealt with and his friends back home. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Passing Of Cliff King

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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Gwich'in Contracting Memorandum Of Understanding

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 123

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to acknowledge a major milestone of aboriginal people and the Government of the Northwest Territories. They are reaching a goal set forth in Towards a Better Tomorrow. The signing of the memorandum of understanding between the Gwich'in Tribal Council and the Government of the Northwest Territories ensures the participation that will give aboriginal governments more success in the business sector.

Mr. Speaker, the aboriginal people being the majority of the population in the Gwich'in settlement region, it is only fitting that they benefit from economic development through public sector contracts, providing employment, capacity building for communities and for the region. The seasonal work being considered as sole income for a lot of our residents and also for the North, has caused much delight, knowing the government has taken the steps Towards a Better Tomorrow.

Mr. Speaker, this partnership will guarantee that both partners are working for the people and the residents of the NWT to ensure that the jobs, employment and economic opportunities stay within the local communities and the regions. With a more accountable system, the Gwich'in Nation would surely benefit from communities having ownership of the economic resources in the area they are serving. Mr. Speaker, the MOU intends that Gwich'in businesses be awarded 50 percent of public contracts for a five-year span.

The GNWT contracting policies and procedures remain in place to ensure maximized local, regional and northern employment in business opportunities. This ensures that aboriginal ownership and work towards self-government in the Mackenzie Delta region is a success that allows for an economic footing in the developments that take place in the Mackenzie Delta and in the Gwich'in settlement region. With that, Mr. Speaker, I would like to wish the parties all the best and I look forward to the next five years of a fair footing for the people of the Mackenzie Delta. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Gwich'in Contracting Memorandum Of Understanding

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 123

The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Hay River North , Mr. Delorey .

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Anticipation Of The Federal Budget

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 124

Paul Delorey

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I believe that every citizen of Canada, including Northerners, has at least two fundamental rights, that being the right to access quality education and the right to quality health care. By way of this Member's statement, Mr. Speaker, I would like to help rattle the federal government's chain once more on behalf of all Northerners. Mr. Speaker, I fully support the northern Premiers' stand against the federal government. It is high time we tell Ottawa that we won't be their puppet on a string anymore.

The critical state of our northern health care system demands that we do nothing less. Mr. Speaker, the recent decision by the federal government defining health care funding on a per capita basis has effectively taken away our right to quality health care based on the proposed amount of funding that we are to receive.

Mr. Speaker, I don't have to remind everyone that of the proposed $12 billion offered to the provinces and territories over the next five years, the NWT's share would amount to $15.6 million. Mr. Speaker, this paltry sum offered by the federal government is absurd and a slap in the face to all Northerners.

Mr. Speaker, we need to keep the pressure on Ottawa to adequately fund us to reflect the reality of providing services in the North. Residents of the Northwest Territories have the worst health care statistics in the country. In addition, we have the highest health care costs in the country. Yet, we are slated to receive the smallest share of the pie. That really goes to show where the federal government's priorities are.

Mr. Speaker, I am somewhat encouraged by recent developments that have come to light since the three northern Premiers took their stand. I am honored that the Premiers have a meeting scheduled this coming Thursday with the Prime Minister. I truly hope that the Prime Minister will do the right thing to ensure that Northerners have access to the same quality of health care as other Canadians. I find it extremely sad, Mr. Speaker, when I hear Canadian taxpayers saying that the only time the federal government makes any attempt to listen to them is at election time. It appears this is sad, but true. Mr.

Speaker, as I deliver my Member's statement in this House, Finance Minister Handley is getting ready to deliver the federal budget in the House of Commons.

---Laughter

---Interjection

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Anticipation Of The Federal Budget

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 124

The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Order, please. The time for your Member's statement has ended.

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Anticipation Of The Federal Budget

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 124

Paul Delorey

Hay River North

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Anticipation Of The Federal Budget

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you. The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to continue his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Proceed, Mr. Delorey . Brief us on who is going to be the next Prime Minister.

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Anticipation Of The Federal Budget

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 124

Paul Delorey

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, colleagues. Mr. Speaker, as I deliver my Member's statement in this House, Finance Minister Manley is getting ready to deliver the federal budget in the House of Commons. I anxiously await what he has to say. This will give Northerners a clear understanding of exactly where the federal government's priorities lie. Mr. Speaker, after the Prime Minister announced that he won't be seeking re-election, he has spoken at length of what he wishes to leave as his distinct legacy for Canadians. Well, Mr.

Speaker, it appears that if we, as Northerners, appear to have our distinct needs ignored by the federal government, then this legacy will truly be a legacy of neglect. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Anticipation Of The Federal Budget

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 124

The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Delorey . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for the Deh Cho , Mr. McLeod .

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Firearms Registration In The Northwest Territories

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 124

Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

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Firearms Registration In The Northwest Territories

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. McLeod . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Braden .

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Arsenic Storage At Giant Mine

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 124

Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Very early this year, residents of Yellowknife got a long-anticipated review of the arsenic storage situation at the Giant Yellowknife Mine. This was a well-received report, Mr. Speaker. It was quite technical in nature, but for anyone who took the time to read it, it really presented the whole situation very well and I recommend it to anybody who has any interest in this very dangerous situation out there. But it's something I have a growing amount of confidence in, Mr.

Speaker, because the science and the expertise being applied to research this issue and the way it is being communicated to the community, I think, is very good. I want to reinforce my confidence in the process to date, Mr. Speaker.

Now there is another briefing tonight at Northern United Place of the experts and officials from DIAND and the public is invited to this. Mr. Speaker, the message I want to deliver is that this is a situation that this whole community should be paying attention to, should be involved in. We are getting very good support from the DIAND people so far, but the quality and the depth of the understanding and the commitment we have to the solutions that are going to be eventually decided on are really up to this community. So I want to urge people to take in these opportunities to hear what's going on.

One thing I have learned, Mr. Speaker, is that we are not looking at something that is going to be solved in one potentially huge and expensive solution. We are looking at a perpetual management situation here at Giant Mine. This is going to go on for hundreds or thousands of years. The kinds of decisions that we make are very critical to how much this costs and how effective it's going to be. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Arsenic Storage At Giant Mine

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 125

The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Braden . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for North Slave , Mr. Lafferty .

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Condition Of Highway No. 3 Between Rae And Yellowknife

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 125

Leon Lafferty

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I drove into Yellowknife yesterday from my home in Rae. I was appalled at the condition of the road on the gravel surface between here and Rae-Edzo. Mr. Speaker, the road was icy and it was difficult to drive, especially with the light snow on the surface. Mr. Speaker, the poor condition of this road is not an isolated incident. I have raised this issue constantly, both in the House and in letters to the Minister. I have been continually assured by the Minister that this road is a priority and that it is being maintained effectively. Mr.

Speaker, there were two accidents along this road this weekend. In yesterday's News/North, a constituent wrote in thanking people for helping her when her vehicle went off the road between Yellowknife and Rae. In October, I wrote the Minister a letter offering detailed suggestions for improving the condition of the road. To my knowledge, none of these suggestions have been tried. Since my letter, there have been more than 25 accidents on this road.

The frequency with which accidents occur along this highway leads me to believe that either we have a lot of terrible drivers in the North or the condition of the road needs improvement. As I drive this stretch of road almost daily, I can say with certainty that there is room for improvement in how Highway No. 3 is maintained. In response to the concerns that I raised in my October letter, the Minister invited me to go with him to the maintenance shop to debate this issue with the highway operators. Mr. Speaker, as I stated then, the Minister is responsible for giving direction to his department.

I do not have the authority to direct the operators in highway maintenance, but the Minister does. If they don't take direction from him, they certainly won't take it from me. There are problems with Highway No. 3 that need to be addressed. Mr. Speaker, the Minister continues to say the department is doing a very good job and the highway is safe. Mr. Speaker, I have to say the Minister is a total stranger to the truth. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Interjection

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Condition Of Highway No. 3 Between Rae And Yellowknife

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 125

The Speaker

Tony Whitford

I would caution Members to be careful with the words they use in the House. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Affordable And Equitable Capital Planning Process Required

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 125

Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this opportunity to conclude my statement that I was not able to finish yesterday. Mr. Speaker, as I stated yesterday, the current capital planning process and formula to determine how the GNWT capital investment is spent and which projects receive the priorities is not serving Yellowknife any better than it does other communities.

While a more transparent and standardized process could help, I am not sure that getting more justifications of where the little money we have goes is going to make it any less painful for us to accept that some of us will inevitably and perpetually end up at the back of the bus. Mr. Speaker, I believe the fundamental problem lies in the woeful lack of funds we are putting into the capital investment pot. If we are really going to tackle this problem head-on as a consensus Legislature, we need to make some difficult choices together.

Mr. Speaker, I believe we want to make this a priority and agree that we need more capital investment in small communities for job creation. We should look again at what programs we currently have to meet that objective and how well we are doing at it. Perhaps we should look at reprofiling or channelling our money for that purpose. Mr. Speaker, perhaps it is time that we came up with a way to address the situations of rural non-tax-based communities, which are different from the tax-based communities that have capacity to raise some of the money for their infrastructure.

Perhaps it is time because the needs of our cities and communities are so divergent and incompatible that two separate capital budgets with different standards and criteria need to be created. I can tell you, Mr. Speaker, the reality of taxing the residents of Yellowknife is not as rosy as it might seem. The reality is that property taxes continue to go up year after year. Many of my constituents are paying more than $4,000 a year just in taxes, yet they continue to see crowded schools, inadequate recreational facilities and no land in the city to build affordable houses. Mr.

Speaker, the reality still is that the presence of a territorial jail does not do away with the need for a school and an arena. Yellowknife still needs and should be entitled to its fair share of schools, recreational facilities, municipal infrastructure and land development for houses. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don't want to seek any more unanimous consents.

---Applause

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Affordable And Equitable Capital Planning Process Required

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 125

The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Maybe we can credit you for tomorrow. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Nitah .

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Representation On NWT Athletic Teams

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 126

Steven Nitah

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I can't agree with Ms. Lee 's statement. Mr. Speaker, I would like to congratulate the participants who will be travelling to the Canada Winter Games next week on the 28th. Mr. Speaker, I would like to congratulate all the athletes who have worked so hard to get there, all the mission staff. However, Mr. Speaker, I continue to be troubled by the lack of participation by those athletes in the smaller communities.

Having a quick glance at the representation at the Winter Games, I see the majority of the athletes once again come from the city of Yellowknife where all the facilities are, where all the staff and coaches are. I am going to be asking the Minister of MACA why is it that we continue to see over-representation from one area or regional centre and hardly any representation outside of mission staff from the smaller communities. This is an issue that I have brought to the House when I got elected.

I was hoping to see a shift in how programs and services are delivered to the communities, how our resources are shared with the smaller communities, so that maybe we could get better coaching, better facilities, in those communities so that those people living in smaller communities can participate in our national pastimes. Obviously, Mr. Speaker, that has not happened yet. I am going to be asking the Minister why we continue to see high representation from the regional centres, specifically Yellowknife, and hardly any representation from outside.

I would like to congratulate one member of my community who is going and that's Tausia Lal, the recreation coordinator from Fort Resolution who is on mission staff. Congratulations, Tausia. It would have been nice to see some of our athletes go with you, but unfortunately not this year. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Representation On NWT Athletic Teams

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 126

The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Well, thank you, Mr. Nitah . Best wishes go with the athletes. Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 126

The Speaker

Tony Whitford

I would like to recognize a long-time Yellowknife resident, Mr. Richinger. He's been here as a businessperson for many years and he is now retired in British Columbia and is here to help us for the next little while. Welcome back to Yellowknife and to the Assembly, Mr. Richinger.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 126

The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Hay River North , Mr. Delorey .

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Question 34-14(6): Need For A Physiotherapist In Hay River

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 126

Paul Delorey

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I indicated in my Member's statement, it is imperative that we Northerners get our fair share of the pie when it comes to distribution of federal health care funding. Many examples of inadequacies in health care service come to light and we only have to look at our own communities to see evidence of this. I continue to hear examples from Hay River residents on what I consider primary care services. For example, Mr. Speaker, Hay River is without a physiotherapist and Hay River residents are still having to travel to Yellowknife to be treated by a physiotherapist.

Would the Minister please state what his department is doing to assist the Hay River Community Health Board to successfully recruit a physiotherapist, so that the residents of Hay River can be adequately served? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 34-14(6): Need For A Physiotherapist In Hay River

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 126

The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Delorey . The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 34-14(6): Need For A Physiotherapist In Hay River

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 126

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the sad reality is that Hay River, as well as some other communities, is competing in a very tight job market for physiotherapists. There was at one point in the recent past a possible applicant, I understand, who chose not to take the job. So we are looking, along with Fort Smith, for physiotherapists. Mr. Speaker, the reality is we are competing across Canada and in North America in a very difficult and scarce market. Thank you.

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Question 34-14(6): Need For A Physiotherapist In Hay River

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 126

The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Mr. Delorey .

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Page 126

Paul Delorey

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in October, I also asked the Minister if he would be willing to have a physiotherapist transferred to Hay River in the interim while one could be found for Hay River. The Minister stated, that it would be an issue that he would be prepared to bring to the table to discuss with other Members of the Joint Leadership Council, which is all of the board chairs, himself and the deputy minister. Well, it's now February, and we are still without a physiotherapist. So I would like to ask the Minister if he has indeed brought this issue to the Joint Leadership Council and what the outcome was. I certainly haven't heard anything yet. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Delorey . The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the issue has been discussed with the department and we are in a situation of having to rob Peter to pay Paul, as it were. At this point, we haven't come up with a way to take resources from one area of an under-resourced system to move into another area. So we continue to work with the authorities and the department on the recruitment side to see if we can fill that position.

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Page 127

Paul Delorey

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, whenever a Hay River resident has to travel to Yellowknife for physiotherapy, you are required to pay a co-payment of $250 if they are not covered by another form of insurance. This is very much a hardship for a number of people. We talk at length as legislators that we don't want to see a two-tiered system for health care, but I am seeing one at work right here in our government, those that have insurance and those that don't. To me, that's two-tier.

Would the Minister please indicate what his department is currently doing to address the issue of medical co-payments further to his answer in this House to my question of October 21, 2002, asking for the co-payment to be waived, whereby he stated that: "We have a review of a supplementary health program currently underway." Exactly where is this, Mr. Speaker?

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Page 127

The Speaker

Tony Whitford

It's such a good question that I am going to have to disallow it because it's not on the same subject that he started off with. He started off with physiotherapy, if I recall correctly, and moved on to something else. However, if you are indicating that this is on the same topic, Mr. Delorey , I will allow the Minister to respond to it. Mr. Delorey , clarify, please.

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Paul Delorey

Hay River North

Mr. Speaker, my approach to this is they are very much related because, for physiotherapy services to be accessed, patients have to come to Yellowknife and they have to pay a $250 co-payment. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Delorey . You clarified that for the Chair. The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Page 127

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we currently have a draft paper on the supplementary health benefits issue and they reviewed it. We have passed that onto the Social Programs committee and we will await their feedback in terms of their thoughts. This is an issue. Mr. Delorey is correct, there are gaps in the current system. Those with third-party coverage have the benefit of medical payments and there is a very clear

section of our segment of society that doesn't have that benefit of medical payments and it's not only co-payments. It's something we are struggling with and it has implications far beyond the co-payment issue.

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Thank you, Mr. Minister. Final supplementary, Mr. Delorey .

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Page 127

Paul Delorey

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Minister please advise why this department calls the $250 that an uninsured person has to pay for a flight to Yellowknife to seek treatment a co-payment? Why do they call it a co-payment? In my view, there is no co-payment. A flight from Hay River to Yellowknife costs $250 and the patient has to pay $250, so where is the co-payment in this?

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Thank you, Mr. Delorey . The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the general rule is it is a co-payment. I appreciate Mr. Delorey 's point that it's very expensive, comparatively speaking, to fly between Hay River and Yellowknife...

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

...on a comparative basis, but the intent is to acknowledge that this is partial assistance and a personal contribution to what are normally very expensive flights.

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Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. McLeod .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 127

Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to follow up with a question regarding registration of firearms. I wanted to pose my question to the Department of Justice. I would like to ask the Minister if he could tell me if he has discussed with the federal government what course of action it would take with respect to compliance. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

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Thank you, Mr. McLeod . The honourable Minister of Justice , Mr. Allen .

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Roger Allen

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a fairly lengthy legal opinion on several key issues that are related to the subject, but taking your advice from the previous Assembly, I will quickly try to summarize by saying that we have collaborated with the Saskatchewan justice ministry to take a joint position to the federal Justice Minister . At this point, we are still in the process of trying to put a formal letter together to the justice department since this very sensitive issue is...We want to take a joint approach Canada-wide. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Mr. McLeod .

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to thank the Minister for that information. It's good to hear that this government is trying to tackle this issue. I would like to ask the Minister if he can tell us the position he's taken, the joint position, they are formulating. What is the position this government is taking on the approach to this issue?

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Thank you, Mr. McLeod . The honourable Minister of Justice , Mr. Allen .

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Roger Allen

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as well, I understand the three Premiers of the territories have jointly tackled this problem as well. Just to quickly summarize; in early November at the federal/provincial/territorial justice meetings, the subject was to try to see if we can convince the federal government not to conduct prosecutions under the Criminal Code. That is one of the immediate steps we are trying to convey to the federal Justice Minister . Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary question, Mr. McLeod .

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister then if he knows what the position of the federal government is on those persons possessing unregistered firearms. Is there an amnesty period?

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Thank you, Mr. McLeod . The honourable Minister of Justice , Mr. Allen .

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Roger Allen

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. No, I am not aware of any specific positions taken by any jurisdictions. Thank you.

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Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Nitah .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 128

Steven Nitah

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , following up on my Member's statement. Mr. Speaker, I would just like to ask why is it that we see such high representation from regional centres and hardly any representation from small communities in events such as the Canada Winter Games and Canada Summer Games, even the Arctic Winter Games. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Nitah . The honourable Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. Steen .

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I believe it's quite evident that the larger the population of the communities, the more athletes you will have. Up to now, larger communities have more sports activities taking place of a different nature. Smaller communities, because of their size, more than anything else, have limited their various activities to the one or two that the community sees have the most participation. Thank you.

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Steven Nitah

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Northwest Territories is a community. The 27 non-tax-based communities are a community in itself. How are we proportionally, by percentage, distributing our financial resources across the Territories? Are we giving more to the larger centres because of their population base versus smaller communities? Why is it that we see more athletes coming out of the regional centres?

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Thank you, Mr. Nitah . The honourable Minister of MACA , Mr. Steen .

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there is more than one funding program that is being made available to the sports partners within the Territories. Some of it is coming, probably the major portion of the funding for sports activities, is coming from Sport North through the system they have for raising funding, through the lottery system. It is then distributed by Sport North to the retailers. MACA also has a program where we fund communities and it is based on population. Larger centres, because of their larger population would get larger funding.

In particular, I believe there is a base limit for those communities very low in numbers. We bring the dollar figures back up so we don't go below a minimum number.

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Steven Nitah

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. What is the department doing to ensure that the same resources associated with sports are distributed evenly across the Territories, so that a person in Aklavik has almost the same chance of making the Canada Winter Games team as a person in Yellowknife? How do we distribute the human resources, so there is a somewhat even chance? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The department's human resources in relation to sports and recreation are normally done through the regional centres. We administer our sports and recreational programs through the regional centres. We do encourage the department to boost the ability for small communities to take

part in territory-wide sport activities through the regional sports partners and then through the territorial sports partners. We've gone one step further in that we are recommending an NWT sports board be created so that all the sports partners have input, including the communities, to how the funding is distributed by Sport North. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Steven Nitah

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I think that might be a good idea. Once again the regional centres get all the resources, communities get left with whatever is left on the plate afterwards. That's not just sports, but right across the board that program delivery is like that. I would like to ask the Minister some statistical information. Since the start of this government or the Canada Winter Games, what has been the representation from the Northwest Territories at these games from communities to regional centres? I would like to see a record of who has been representing the Northwest Territories at these games. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Nitah . I realize that is a question, but it's going to require a long answer. We will let the Minister decide on the length of this. Mr. Steen .

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, it's going to be a short answer. This morning I signed information to each MLA as to which people from their riding will be going to represent the games. Some communities have some. I believe from my community, there is nobody going, but I believe the Member for Lutselk'e, there was somebody going from one of his communities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. I stand corrected. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife South , Mr. Bell .

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Question 37-14(6): Medical Travel For Periodontal Treatment

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 129

Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question today is for the Minister responsible for the Financial Management Board Secretariat and it's about periodontal treatment and medical travel. I have been corresponding with him for about the past seven months after several constituents of mine raised this issue with me. They are GNWT employees and need periodontal treatment not available in the Northwest Territories and have to find their own way south because our medical travel assistance policy apparently doesn't cover this type of treatment.

The Minister indicated that the government is currently conducting a review of periodontics and medical travel and he also indicated that it would be completed by the end of January of this year. I am wondering if the Minster can tell me if that review has been completed? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 129

The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Bell . The honourable Minister responsible for the FMB, Mr. Handley .

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, I am not sure if the report has been completed. I have not received a copy of it yet, but I will follow up with the Management Board Secretariat and get back to the Member. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Mr. Bell .

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Page 129

Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just in the way of some background, Mr. Speaker, medical travel assistance used to be provided for this treatment until the mid-90s and then it was deemed at that time that, not because it was not a medical procedure but because we simply had to undertake some restraint initiatives, we were going to cancel the MTA for this procedure. Is that, in fact, the case? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Bell . The honourable Minister responsible for the FMBS , Mr. Handley .

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, generally that may be the case. I look forward to receiving the report though, and I assume it will provide us with more detail on why this coverage was taken away in the mid-90s, but we will have to wait for the report. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for North Slave , Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 38-14(6): Addressing Highway No. 3 Concerns

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 129

Leon Lafferty

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Honourable Joe Handley , Minister of Transportation . Mr. Speaker, because I am so concerned about the safety of motorists travelling on Highway No. 3 on a gravel surface, and the lack of results that we are getting, I am seriously wondering what happened to the correspondence, the questions and concerns I have been forwarding to the Minister about this road? I would like to ask the Minister if he can give me details? What happened with my correspondence or anything that was said in the House? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Minister of Transportation , Mr. Handley .

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I can assure you that any correspondence I receive from MLAs receives serious consideration. Most often it is passed on to the department and they take a look at the issues and get back to me as quickly as they can. I don't believe there is any outstanding correspondence with Mr. Lafferty . I believe I have responded to all of his letters and in fact any verbal advice he gives me I take seriously and relay onto the department. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Mr. Lafferty .

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Page 129

Leon Lafferty

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is my understanding that the amount of maintenance the road gets is based on a formula related to the amount of traffic on it. Although Highway No. 3 is a priority one, meaning it should get a lot of maintenance, the road is still unsafe. Can the Minister tell me why the correspondence given to the department, why is there nothing being done about the safety of this road? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 129

The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Minister of Transportation , Mr. Handley .

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Page 130

Joe Handley

Weledeh

If the road was unsafe, we would close it. We consider it safe. It is safe given the winter driving conditions people have to take into consideration when they use the road. That road or any other road in the Territories. We will put up notices if we feel that it is getting to the point where people have to take special precautions. The road receives daily patrols from the department. We continue to check out any spots where we feel there may be trouble. We listen to advice from the public. We have a toll-free line if people want to phone in with reports. Whatever work is necessary, we carry it on. In response to the Member's

preamble, traffic count is only one factor. Certainly road condition and weather conditions play a very big role in terms of the maintenance that is done on the roads. None of the roads can be perfect. People have to use them with due caution and take into consideration the road and weather conditions. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Supplementary, Mr. Lafferty .

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Leon Lafferty

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to thank the Minister for his answer, but the definition of safe depends on whose definition it is. Maybe their definition of safe is, when you get to the other end safely, it's safe, but from my definition that isn't what you would call safe. I would like to ask the Minister because of the condition of the road, could there be more signage installed on this road, especially where the gravel and the chipseal join? The warning signs are right at the corners and it's unsafe. I would like to ask the Minister if he could get his department to make sure the road is safe.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Minister of Transportation , Mr. Handley .

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, the department does everything they can to make sure the road is as safe as possible. They can never make it absolutely safe for all people, including those who drive recklessly beyond the posted speed limits and so on. We can't ever have it absolutely, totally safe. In terms of signage, we will continue to monitor. I will take the Member's concern to the department and ask the people responsible to take a look at it. If we need more signage, then definitely we want to put that up to ensure that there aren't any accidents caused by the road conditions. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Final supplementary, Mr. Lafferty .

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Leon Lafferty

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I travel that road a lot during the time that I do my work in Yellowknife and I fail to see anybody patrolling that road because I travel that road pretty early in the morning. That would be the best time for patrolling. I would like to ask the Minister if he can give me details on their daily patrols, on the maintenance manual that they are using, if he can share it with the House. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . This is going to require a long answer again. Make it short. The honourable Minister of Transportation , Mr. Handley .

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, if the Member wants, I can give him my information on the road conditions. I don't mind doing that. I can give him some advice on the way we are maintaining the roads. I am not an expert at driving a grader and I am not going to tell those people who are professionals how to do it anymore than Mr. Miltenberger will tell the doctors how to do appendix operations. That's not our job. I will give him whatever information we have. I don't know if there is one maintenance manual we follow.

I think our professionals out there take a look at the road conditions and do the maintenance that they feel is within their ability to do. So, Mr. Speaker, I will provide as much information to the Member as possible, but I can't say that we could ever give 100 percent safe conditions for people driving in any kind of condition. Mr. Speaker, I went on the road last on February 3rd. I drove to Fort Providence and back. The road was in great condition for people who drive within the speed limit, but if they are going to drive at 130 kilometres an hour, it is a dangerous road. They should not be driving that speed.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Braden .

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Question 39-14(6): Options For Dealing With Arsenic Trioxide At Giant Mine

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 130

Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I mentioned in my statement earlier today, the 237,000 tons of arsenic trioxide dust stored underground at Giant Mine is probably the greatest environmental situation we have to deal with here in the NWT, but a lot of good science has been done on it. Mr. Speaker, the community is looking at two options that are recommended. One is to freeze and keep this poisonous material in the ground perpetually or take it out and treat it and dispose of it that way.

I wanted to ask the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development whether this government has taken a position on whether any of these options or anything else is the way we should go. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 130

The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Braden . The honourable Minister of RWED , Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the situation at Giant Mine with regard to the underground storage of the trioxide is that DIAND has been doing a lot of work. DIAND has been taking full responsibility for the underground contaminants and they have come out with about 12 different management alternatives, and zeroed in on two. The honourable Member mentioned that. There are still consultations going on. We have departmental committees looking at it. As Cabinet, we haven't really made a decision on which option that we prefer at this point in time.

We continue to work with DIAND to look at the best possible alternatives. Even though they have come out with two alternatives, we think there might be a third that we would like to explore. So as a Cabinet, we haven't really taken a position on one or the other.

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Page 131

Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am wondering if the Minister would be able to advise the Assembly today of anything concerning this third option as he's mentioned, Mr. Speaker.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Like I mentioned earlier, there were about 12 different management alternatives and DIAND had preferred two. One of them is the frozen block which leaves the contaminants in the ground and not exposed to the surface. The other one is the whole thing about putting it in cement and putting it at a disposal site. There is also a discussion about a disposal which would transfer the arsenic to the base of the mine and re-store it in vaults. I think this is another alternative that has been thrown around. At this point in time, there are still consultations going on and we continue to work with DIAND in this area. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That is encouraging. I am glad to hear the department is engaged. Mr. Speaker, the Minister mentioned that there are other departments as well that have a stake in this. I would assume, for instance, that MACA, which is involved in some of the leases, perhaps our public health, Health and Social Services, are also involved. Could the Minister advise the Assembly how are these multi-departmental interests being coordinated? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, RWED is leading our working group and is compiled of MACA and Health and Social Services, the Workers' Compensation Board, in working on this long-term arsenic management plan for Giant Mine. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

The situation on the surface cleanup is somewhat different I believe, in that we do have a more direct jurisdiction on the surface cleanup of the Giant Mine property. Could the Minister advise us of the status of that and any plans for the future? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 131

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Thank you, Mr. Braden . The honourable Minister of RWED , Mr. Antoine .

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Page 131

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, from the very onset of this problem, our government wanted to engage with DIAND to look at which government is responsible for what is on the surface of Giant Mine. To date, DIAND has confirmed that the federal government has taken full responsibility for water-related surface liabilities such as the tailings ponds and the containment ponds and water treatment facilities, anything that has to do with water board licensing.

We are currently, as a government, wanting to know further who is responsible for the other types of contaminants on the surface at Giant Mine such as waste oil, fuel spills, chemical spills, contaminated soil, so that we can ensure there is public safety. We are continuing to talk with DIAND to try to further negotiations on the responsibilities. We wanted to clear up who's responsible for what on the surface at this point in time. Thank you.

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Page 131

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Tony Whitford

We are back to business after that short pause. Your question, Mrs. Groenewegen . For the record, please repeat your question.

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Question 40-14(6): Requirement For Physicians In Hay River

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 131

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Health and Social Services in follow-up to Mr. Delorey 's concern about medical co-payments. There is the issue of expectant mothers who are not only expected to pay medical travel co-payments, but also other costs associated with coming to Yellowknife to have babies. They need to come three weeks in advance; there are accommodation issues, child care issues for the children they leave behind and it splits up the families. Is Mr.

Miltenberger aware of Hay River's desire to add two positions to their complement of physicians, that being a GP anesthetist and a GP surgeon? Is he aware of that request and that need? Thank you.

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Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I am.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, when would the Minister be in a position to respond to that request for the funding required for those two additional positions? Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would hope in the next couple of weeks we would be able to address that issue along with the $8.3 million that's in the budget for 10 GPs we also have to deal with. The package was offered to the general practitioners and was approved by their bargaining unit. So we are looking at those particular options right now, thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister what criteria or information he will be using in order to make that decision. Will he be doing a cost benefit analysis of the savings that would be realized as a result of having those two positions located in Hay River? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 132

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, apparently we have capacity in Yellowknife and Inuvik to deliver babies. We've been working at trying to implement midwifery into the system to have a broader spectrum of birthing delivery services capacity. We are looking at legislation and such. Hay River has expressed a desire as well to have the medical model that exists in Inuvik and Yellowknife. We are currently dealing strictly with general practitioners, so that is an issue that is on the table for discussion. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Minister. Final supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In considering this request for these two additional positions for Hay River, would the Minister commit to polling and getting a good indication from surrounding communities how they would feel about using Hay River as a regional centre for birthing services in addition to the number of babies that are born from Hay River residents? Would he consider the desires of the surrounding communities with respect to receiving those services in Hay River? Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, clearly if Hay River would be proposing to be a regional catchment site for birthing of babies, then we would consult with those communities that would be in that catchment area. So that will be one of the facts and factors that figure into the mix. Thank you.

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Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Question 41-14(6): Medical Travel Co-payment

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 132

Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question today goes to the Minister of Health and Social Services and it's with regard to the medical co-payment as well. Mr. Speaker, this issue has been brought up many times and it was something I asked the Minister about yesterday. I totally sympathize with the concerns that Members from Hay River have. Mr. Speaker, the difficulty with this is that I believe the application of this policy of $250 to some people and not others is so unfair and it's an unequal application of the law. It's discriminatory. I don't think it would stand up to our own Human Rights Act.

So why doesn't the Minister just stop this and not talk about all these discussion papers and everything else that's going on. He's heard enough of it, Mr. Speaker, why can't he just end the policy? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Tony Whitford

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this medical co-payment generates a significant amount of income into the health and social services system. The key is that there is a segment of the population that doesn't have third-party coverage. One of the concerns is, for example, if we just did away with the medical co-payment, we would be losing over $1 million for the uninsured health benefits that currently comes into the system. So we have to look at this carefully and we have to see how we are going to respond to this. This is one item in the supplementary health benefits review.

I am clearly aware of the impact and the concern it has. It has a similar concern in my community as well, Mr. Speaker. So we want to deal with this as part of the overall review. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am not sure if this should be part of the review of the supplementary health benefit anyway. That's a wide spectrum of areas and this is a very specific thing. Another thing I suggest to the Minister is I don't believe the government has the right to raise money by breaking its own law of equal treatment. Look at the situation, Mr. Speaker. It's only those who don't have services in their communities who have to pay this and it's only those who don't have their own company insurance, government insurance or some kind of non-insured health benefits under aboriginal programs.

So it's the working poor without a job or the self-employed who are paying this. This is totally against equality provisions. So why can't the Minister come up with a way of dealing with that? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have indicated the process we have undertaken to address this issue within the context of review of supplementary health benefits. I am not in denial on this issue. I am aware of its pressing nature, but we have to do this in a broader framework and we have to do this with a plan that's going to stand scrutiny and make sense and not cost us money we don't have, but also recognize the need to close gaps that currently exist in our system. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The answer the Minister has just given, if I were to repeat that to a constituent of mine, she would never understand it. That doesn't make any sense, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, if he wants to take advantage of the revenues he is getting, why can't he come up with a rebate for those who can't afford it, those who are self-employed and who are being unfairly treated in having to pay for it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, the issue of third party coverage is a complex one. In many jurisdictions down south, there is no such thing as people being flown to where they need the service. If you have a doctor's appointment in Toronto and you live in Peterborough, they tell you you have an appointment in Toronto and the expectation is you get there. What we are intending to do is provide a basic minimum level of service and additionally we try to provide enhanced services. What we have, unfortunately, is a gap in that level of service and we are trying, within a broader context, to address that issue.

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Thank you, Mr. Minister. Final supplementary, Ms. Lee .

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

I would suggest, Mr. Speaker, that there is a way to address that gap without studying any further. The Minister could reduce the co-payment amount to those who don't have any other third-party privileges or give a rebate to those who can't afford it. Why can't he consider that, Mr. Speaker?

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, one of the concerns is, once again, if I can use the uninsured health benefits is, if it's not a universally applied fee, then the federal government will just assume that they should have to pay it as well. So it is not just as simple as giving a rebate to a particular segment of the population. We have to come up with a way that's going to allow us to meet all those considerations when we come up with that review. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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Question 42-14(6): Gwich'in Contracting Memorandum Of Understanding

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 133

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is a follow-up to my Member's statement with regard to the signing of the memorandum of underst