Debates of March 26th, 2004

This is page numbers 349 - 402 of the Hansard for the 15th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Kids' Helpline Bowlathon

All-weather Road In The Sahtu Region

Closure Of The Paulatuk Community Freezer

Accomplishments Of Hay River Biathlete Brendan Green

49th Annual Caribou Carnival

Congratulations To Tammy Cazon On The Birth Of Her New Daughter

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

All-weather Road Connecting Sahtu

Deh Cho Bridge Project

Community Freezer Program

Waiving The Business Incentive Policy

Flat Rate Rent Scale

Highway Maintenance Priorities

GNWT Rent Scale Policies

Business Incentive Policy Discussion

Including Land Claims And Treaties In Curriculum

Benefits Of Waiving The Business Incentive Policy

Written Question 11-15(3): Statistical Data For Sahtu Schools

Bill 2:

An Act To Amend The Income Tax ActBill 3:

An Act To Amend The Income Tax Act, No. 2

Tabled Document 14-15(3): NWT Power Corporation 2003 Annual Report

Tabled Document 15-15(3): Public Utilities Board 2003 Annual Report

Tabled Document 16-15(3): Second Year Activities Of The Maximizing Northern Employment Strategy - March 8, 2004

Tabled Document 17-15(3): Official Voting Results Of The General Election Of The 15th Legislative Assembly

Bill 5: Tlicho Community Government Act

Bill 6:

An Act To Amend The Payroll Tax Act, 1993 And The Income Tax Act

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Recommendation To Remove Funding For New Property Assessors From 2004-05 Main Estimates

Residential Tenancies Act

Item 21: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 23: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Mr. Allen , Honourable Brendan Bell , Mr. Braden , Mr. Delorey , Honourable Charles Dent , Mrs. Groenewegen , Honourable Joe Handley , Mr. Hawkins , Honourable David Krutko , Ms. Lee , Honourable Michael McLeod , Mr. Menicoche , Honourable Michael Miltenberger , Mr. Pokiak , Honourable Floyd Roland , Mr. Villeneuve , Mr. Yakeleya , Honourable Henry Zoe

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 349

The Speaker

David Krutko

Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Ms. Lee .

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Kids' Helpline Bowlathon

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 349

Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This being Friday, I would like to take this opportunity to highlight a fundraising event that was held last weekend in support of Kid's Help Phone, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this is an event that is held every year to raise money for Kid's Help Phone which is a national program where kids can call a 1-800 number about anything they want to speak to an expert about, whether it's about bullying in school, health conditions or what's going on at home. Any kind of issues that they are having problems with, they are encouraged to phone in. It's a very important and essential service.

Mr. Speaker, last weekend the event held in the NWT raised more than $50,000. Two hundred-plus people in teams participated. There were also major corporate contributors: Canadian North, BHP Billiton, Canadian Tire, Great Slave Helicopters and Polar Bowl were among the main sponsors.

I should also let you know that the Legislative Assembly was very well represented by a very strong team made up of Honourable Brendan Bell , Yellowknife South; Mr. Dave Ramsay, Kam Lake; Minister Charles Dent ; and our colleague from Sahtu and his son, Chase, was a big help in getting us a really good score in the end.

So, Mr. Speaker, I want to make note of this very important event and the effort made to raise money for it. There were lots of constituents from Range Lake in that event, but I want to recognize two young people who participated: Emily Thagard, who is in Grade 3. She raised about $290 plus. She was going door to door to raise money for this event, and her friend, Sam Embleton, who also went door to door and raised money. Their parents were there and they were telling me that the kids were there to let kids know kids can do a lot to help other kids who need help.

I would like to recognize all those who participated and all the sponsors for making this a huge event. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Kids' Helpline Bowlathon

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 349

The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 3, Members' statements. Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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All-weather Road In The Sahtu Region

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 349

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this morning I would like to give a Member's statement on the all-weather road in the Sahtu.

Mr. Speaker, I don't understand why this government spends a lot of money fixing the Ingraham Trail, which some people have called the best bush road in the North. Communities like mine don't have any bush roads like that, Mr. Speaker. The cost of living in the Sahtu is almost double that of Yellowknife. Yellowknife isn't a cheap place to live, so you can imagine what the communities face in the Sahtu region. In the rest of the world, poor people eat potatoes because they are cheap and because there is nothing else to eat. They even feed them to their farm animals, Mr. Speaker.

When you live in the Sahtu, potatoes are very expensive. We only eat them on special occasions and even then we slice them very, very thin.

---Laughter

In Colville Lake, for instance, a four kilogram bag of sugar sells for $25; a can of pop, $2.50; a tin of evaporated milk sells for $4. We are also really isolated. Mr. Speaker, for a few weeks a year, we have a winter road; a few weeks. The rest of the time if you want to see your family in Fort Good Hope, it will cost $400 return per person and that's just from Colville Lake. If you go to Norman Wells and back it costs you almost $500. Mr. Speaker, driving from Wrigley to Tulita is 148 kilometres and it takes seven hours to drive, while it takes only one hour from Rae to Yellowknife; this takes into account the bumps in the road.

I am happy to say, Mr. Speaker, there is a solution. The Sahtu needs an all-weather road. With an all-weather road, Mr. Speaker, a few dollar's worth of gas will give some in the Sahtu access to training, jobs and family and good fresh food at a reasonable price. While the road is being built, my people can be trained as heavy equipment operators and gain experience in road construction.

I am asking them to do what is right and get to work on making an all-weather road in the Sahtu. For the benefit it will bring, there is no better investment. If we need to find partners to help us build it, then let's get to work on that too.

Mr. Speaker, I will be asking the Minister of Transportation if he has considered taking the first step in getting the people of the Sahtu an all-weather road. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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All-weather Road In The Sahtu Region

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 349

The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 3, Members' statements. The Member for Nunakput , Mr. Pokiak .

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Closure Of The Paulatuk Community Freezer

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 350

Calvin Pokiak

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On my recent trip to attend the Beaufort-Delta interim regional council meeting in Inuvik, I was approached by a resident of Paulatuk who was very concerned about the possible closure of the community freezer. I also heard the same concern from two other residents in Paulatuk.

Mr. Speaker, my understanding is that community freezers were installed about 20 years ago to help small communities store their fish and game hygienically and to ensure that a supply was always available when game was scarce.

Public Works and Government Services used to fund the core maintenance of the community freezer program. This program was transferred to RWED in 1996. In 1999, RWED turned over the money to the communities in the form of block funding. Mr. Speaker, the community freezer in Paulatuk is being heavily used by the residents of Paulatuk according to the information supplied by my constituents. Community freezers are a vital component in a small community for preserving their fish and game. The most recent concern raised by my constituent is that RWED is considering not funding the community freezer in Paulatuk.

This individual indicated that to maintain the community freezer, it would cost about $17,000 a year, money that the community of Paulatuk or its residents do not have readily available.

Mr. Speaker, Paulatuk residents see the community freezer as a valuable resource for preserving their fish and game. Surely RWED can accommodate a request of just $17,000 a year for the maintenance of the community freezer in Paulatuk. RWED should reconsider assisting Paulatuk, as well as Holman and Sachs if required, in funding this program.

Mr. Speaker, in closing, I will ask the appropriate Minister questions on the funding of the community freezer program in Paulatuk. Thank you.

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Closure Of The Paulatuk Community Freezer

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 350

The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 3, Members' statements. The Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Accomplishments Of Hay River Biathlete Brendan Green

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 350

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I would like to use my Member's statement to talk about an outstanding young athlete from Hay River.

Mr. Speaker, Brendan Green completed his most successful competitive season so far with a series of incredible finishes in his first exposure to European competition. His crowning achievement was winning the German youth championships in the 15-kilometre individual event. Biathlon is a major sport in Germany, one of the top-ranking nations, and many of his German competitors attend special sports schools that focus on producing world-class biathletes. Their programs have developed a number of world champions. His win was the result of a combination of outstanding shooting and skiing against some of the top youth biathletes in the world today.

He followed up this victory with a silver medal in a 10-kilometre sprint race only four seconds behind the winner. Brendan also competed in the Europa Cup No. 6 in Arbersee-Langdorf, Germany. To compete, he had to move up an age category and race with the junior men who are two to three years older than him. He managed to place 15th in his first race, the 10-kilometre sprint, just one minute and 30 seconds behind the winner. Although it was a very difficult and challenging course, and he had to ski three penalties loops, he still managed to achieve a personal best time of 29 minutes and 30 seconds to break the 30-minute barrier.

In his final race, the 12.5-kilometre pursuit, he hit 18 out of 20 to tie for the best shooting in the competition and moved up to seventh place and top finish for the Canadian team. Although seven world champions were amongst the 25 entries, no one had better results on the shooting range.

Brendan is a member of the 2010 Olympic development program. He follows a training program that demanded 410 hours of physical raining and 200 hours of shooting this season. He got his start in biathlon with Coach Pat Bobinski who has supervised his training for the past eight years. Pat has developed many outstanding biathletes during his coaching career and has played a critical role in developing Brendan's marksmanship to the high level demanded for success in this sport.

Brendan assists with the jack rabbit ski program developed by the Hay River Ski Club for the Hay River school system. He has also managed to maintain his standing as an honour roll student in Grade 11 at the Diamond Jenness Secondary School.

I would like to congratulate Brendan and say that Hay River is very proud of this young man. Thank you.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 350

The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 3, Members' statements. The Member for Great Slave , Mr. Braden .

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49th Annual Caribou Carnival

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 350

Bill Braden

Great Slave

Mr. Speaker, thank you. This is carnival season in the Northwest Territories and it comes to life in Yellowknife this afternoon with the start of the 49th Caribou Carnival, Mr. Speaker. I have spoken about these events, with passion I hope, Mr. Speaker, several times in this Assembly. They are tremendously important to me and all of our communities.

In the Northwest Territories, we have so many unique things to celebrate and I think we take a bit of an optimistic view and we take winter as something we actually celebrate through many of our carnivals. The ones here in Yellowknife, like the Caribou Carnival, the Canadian Championship Dog Derby and one of the most wonderful and unique attractions and events that has grown very much from the inspiration of one man, Tony Foliot, is the Snow King Festival, which this year is going to complete it's 9th season.

We have the Cariblues Festival, the Aurora Arts Society, attempting to get a February music festival off the deck. Ndilo and Detah are going to be having their local festivals as well.

These are things that define our community. They define our culture. They are good for our communities and families. They are one of the anchors and I am positive will be a very significant part of our tourism industry as they grow.

Mr. Speaker, I have to save my most sincere message for the volunteers, having been one; I think we have all done our bit for these festivals, it is the volunteers who are the heart and soul of these events. We cannot take them for granted. I am looking forward to things that this government can do in the way of the NWT Arts Strategy that is going to be coming out later this year, hopefully as an anchor that we can use to really build on this and the efforts of the volunteers who deserve all of the credit. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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49th Annual Caribou Carnival

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 351

The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 3, Members' statements. The Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Congratulations To Tammy Cazon On The Birth Of Her New Daughter

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 351

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Mahsi Cho, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would just like to recognize Tammy Cazon, a constituent of mine who gave a safe birth to a baby girl at 6:30 this morning. What is important about this matter is that she is the young lady that had the dubious distinction of being in the House last year about this time, and virtually gave birth in the gallery. I just wanted to bring that to your attention, just a special recognition to her today. I am glad that she is tied to the Legislative Assembly in her own personal way. Mahsi cho.

---Applause

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Congratulations To Tammy Cazon On The Birth Of Her New Daughter

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 351

The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. McLeod .

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Further Return To Question 25-15(3): Update On New Housing Re-investment Proposal

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, I have a return to oral question asked by Mr. Allen on March 18, 2004, regarding an update on the new housing re-investment proposal. Specifically, the Member requested an update on the status of a proposal submitted in August 2002 to create a flat-rate rent scale for public housing clients in the Northwest Territories.

After studying the impacts of a flat-rate rent scale, the Housing Corporation has opted not to move in this direction. The corporation's decision not to proceed was made in light of the fact that the proposal to create the flat-rate rent scale would have resulted in increased rents for low-income families and students. In addition, this proposal included another significant change in that seniors' households would now be assessed rent. It is the corporation's position that increasing rents for the most vulnerable members of our society is not in the best interest of the public housing clients. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Further Return To Question 25-15(3): Update On New Housing Re-investment Proposal

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Menicoche .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I would just like to take a moment to recognize two Pages who have come over from Fort Simpson: Mr. Gerald Hardisty, and Mikhaela Antoine. I sure hope that they enjoy their time here serving the Legislative Assembly. Mahsi cho.

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The Speaker

David Krutko

Welcome. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Zoe .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize one of my constituents from Rae-Edzo who is in the gallery, Mr. Fred Behrens. Mr. Behrens is the interim project manager for the NWT Broadband Business Alliance. Welcome to the House. Thank you.

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The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would also like to recognize and thank two Pages from Hay River South for serving us in the Chamber this week. They have followed the debate, and were very interested a couple of times and said they wanted to jump in when we were reviewing education. So I think we have some future politicians here. Thank you. Matthew Gagnon, and Carisa Broadhead.

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The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Ms. Lee .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I can't see them from where I sit, but I do believe there is a Grade 6 class from Range Lake North School in the gallery today. This is Mr. David Speakman's class. Along with them are the principal, Ms. Sandra Bowden; the educational assistant, Mr. Spencer Lyman; and one of the parents, Eleanor Young, are accompanying them today. I would like to welcome them to the House. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

David Krutko

Welcome. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Delorey .

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Paul Delorey

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As well, I would like to recognize two Pages from Hay River North who have been here all week helping us get through our week. One of the busiest, Mark Benoit, over here, and the tallest one I think, Jordan Shaw. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Handley .

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, I believe Mona Morrow from Weledeh Catholic School is here as well on tour today. So I want to welcome one of my constituents. Thank you.

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The Speaker

David Krutko

I would like to welcome you to the House also, and I will always welcome you back. You are always at home in the House, so come on back and visit. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Yakeleya .

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize Mr. David Speakman, a one-time Sahtu constituent now living in Yellowknife. I also recognize Ms. Eleanor Young who works for MACA.

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The Speaker

David Krutko

Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 88-15(3): All-weather Road Connecting Sahtu

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in my statement today, I explained how expensive life is in the Sahtu, and how the cost of travel separates us from our families, the good jobs, and how the cost of food is overwhelming us. Yes, we have a winter road, but it is only open for about seven to 12 weeks, and that depends if the winter road is really long, and if it is really cold outside and the snow is good. We wouldn't limit anyone in Yellowknife to seven weeks of grocery shopping, or visiting other communities, or visiting families, et cetera, for the whole year so I don't think the government should ask the good people of the Sahtu to do that either.

I offer the solution of an all-weather road. An all-weather road would increase the quality of life for the people in the Sahtu by 100 percent. You need to connect the communities of the Sahtu before we connect south. Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister of Transportation if he is interested in reallocating some of the funding for the Canal proposal to connect the communities of the Sahtu by all-weather road. Thank you.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Department of Transportation is also very interested in the concept of an all-weather road into the Sahtu, from Wrigley to Good Hope. The early engineering studies have indicated that the cost of this road is approximately $220 million, and we certainly don't have that kind of money within our budget, but we have been fortunate to access some money through the SIFF program where we would partner 50/50 with the federal government.

Over the next five years, we intend to extend the use of the winter road in the Sahtu. We are investing a total of $46 million over the next five years. We intend to put in 23 bridges in that area, we are also expecting to do a lot of grade work. This will result in an extended season. As for the question of moving money from one project to another, I believe it was referenced in the Member's statement that Highway No. 4 was suggested; right now we are looking and talking to the federal government in identifying other projects. However, moving more money into the Sahtu is not something we are considering at this time. Thank you.

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Mr. Minister. Would the Minister commit to consider writing another proposal to the Minister of Transportation with the federal government to initiate the development of the all-weather roads in the Sahtu?

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we have already embarked on that line of discussion. We have met with our MP to discuss the possibility of her assisting us in setting up a meeting with Tony Valeri, the federal Minister, and she has also indicated, through a call to me this morning, that she has talked to him and he's very interested in talking to myself and our officials about a number of issues, including new programs and how they will unfold. We need to have a good sense of where the national highway strategy is and the possibility of further access of dollars to the SIFF program.

We also want to talk about some of the projects that were listed under A-Cap and some of the projects that didn't get funding this year. We want to talk to him about a number of things, so he has indicated he is willing to meet and we are trying to set our schedules accordingly and trying to arrange for that meeting. Thank you.

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Mr. Minister. Would the Minister consider looking at developing some training proposals and opportunities for people in the Sahtu to begin training in road building and heavy equipment operation? Thank you.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you. Mr. Speaker, in light of the high amount of activity that we're expecting in the Sahtu and the amount we're planning to invest in that area, I would certainly be willing to meet with the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment to discuss the opportunities. We are also planning a tour and I want to meet with the members of the communities in the Sahtu to discuss and talk about the different options out there. We believe industry also has a role in this, and they have indicated they were interested in having that discussion. So we will commit to talk to the departments that we believe should be part of this. Thank you.

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and thanks Mr. Minister. My final question, Mr. Minister, is that the Sahtu is quite a distance from the regional office in Fort

Simpson where they have the highway office. Would the Minister consider instructing his department to assess the feasibility of having the regional office of Transportation in the Sahtu region? Thank you.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we have looked at the issue of having the office for Transportation in one of the communities in the Sahtu. At the present time, we are looking at costing it out and looking at the pros and cons and how effective it would be and where and how we could set it up. We haven't concluded that review, but we would be glad to share our findings with the Member when the entire review has been concluded. Thank you.

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Question 89-15(3): Deh Cho Bridge Project

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question this morning is for Mr. Handley , in his capacity as the Minister responsible for the Mackenzie River bridge project. Yesterday, Mr. Speaker, we heard from my colleague, Mr. Delorey , about situations such as rapidly-rising steel prices in Canada. We know we're already dealing with an unexpected potential delay in the project due to environmental and regulatory hearings. This is a significant project for the whole of the south Mackenzie region.

I'm a bit concerned and I've heard expressions from the business community that they are also concerned with the viability of this project. I wanted to ask Mr. Handley just what steps are available for government that we can do to help keep this project not only alive, but keep it healthy. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Mr. Premier .

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As Members know, this project is a private/public partnership. The private ownership of it is the Deh Cho Bridge Corporation. The bridge corporation has approached us and we have, as I told Members, provided up to a $2 million loan guarantee to them, and I have advised Members that we have extended that for a year.

Mr. Speaker, I was very pleased yesterday when Mr. McLeod , the Deh Cho Bridge Corporation and myself were advised that the federal government, through DIAND, have now approved a $3 million contribution to the Deh Cho Bridge Corporation.

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I appreciate the work that our Member of Parliament, Ethel Blondin-Andrew, has done on this project for us. I think this now gives the Deh Cho Bridge Corporation the working capital that they need in order to continue this project ahead. But, Mr. Speaker, the only hold-up right now is on the environmental assessment. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And that's great news. Thank you.

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you. Yes, that is terrific news. This injection will certainly make a difference. It's the kind of thing that I know we were looking forward to; having $3 million less that we have to finance through a toll, I think is good news for the customers. The Minister indicated that it is only the environmental step that needs to be resolved now. Is there a sense now of the timing of that? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, we expect that the environmental assessment is probably going to take until this fall to complete. I expect that while we could see some preliminary work being done on, for example stockpiling gravel and so on, that could start earlier. I haven't talked to the bridge corporation on their plans. If it looks good, we will see working on this certainly this winter.

Mr. Speaker, I just want to clarify that the only major thing that's holding up the progress right now and delaying the bridge for a while is the environmental assessment. But we are still in the midst of finalizing the financing, for example, for the total project, but I think there are no hurdles on that now that we have the $3 million from the federal government. There are issues around insurance and, of course, still finishing up the final design and reviewing the design. There are things that we're doing right now, but none of them are holding up the progress.

The only one that's slowing us down at this point is the environmental assessment, but I'm optimistic we'll see work this fall. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 90-15(3): Community Freezer Program

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Calvin Pokiak

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the honourable Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development . As I stated in my Member's statement, the residents of Paulatuk rely on the local community freezer to store their fish and game. Will the Minister find the necessary funds to continue this program? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Member did, in his Member's statement today, provide some very useful background information on the program. In fact, these community freezers have been government assets, but at a point in the recent past we made the decision that this was not the most cost-effective means of storing traditional harvests and we're looking for a way to do something that is more energy efficient. So we have been in the process of closing these freezers down, but I think in all cases, we have made the offer to the community to transfer the asset to the community for a nominal charge, and I'm sure we would do the same here.

I do know that my officials are in discussions with the community of Paulatuk to see if some alternate arrangements can be arrived at to make sure that we still continue to support the traditional harvest, because we do recognize the importance of country foods to the community. Thank you.

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Calvin Pokiak

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thanks for that information, Mr. Bell . Will you keep me informed with regard to your department's discussions with the community of Paulatuk so I know exactly if funds will be available? Thank you.

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I will keep the Member apprised of any development on the file with Paulatuk. I believe we are also in discussions with Sachs Harbour, so for any of the Member's communities in relation to this program I will certainly keep the Member apprised. Thank you.

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Calvin Pokiak

Nunakput

Thanks, Mr. Speaker. One more question for the Minister. Mr. Minister, will you ensure that the hunters will be able to continue operating these programs? Thank you.

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you. We're looking at a number of solutions and I don't want to say that we're going to continue this program. We have been in the process of either closing the freezers down, or turning the assets over to the community. I'm not sure of the exact figures to maintain the freezer for a year. In some communities, the freezers have been well used; in others, not very well used. I think we can't just have a program that we would extend to Paulatuk and exclude all other communities.

So if it's $20,000 a year or so for O and M, we would have to look at that for all communities in order to be fair, and it has proven to be a very expensive way to store the traditional harvests. So I think the best offer I can make to the Member is that we'll look for better solutions, work with the community to make sure that there are more energy-efficient solutions, and I'll certainly keep the Member apprised of any developments. Thank you.

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Calvin Pokiak

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Again, it's fine to provide assets to the communities, but one more time, Mr. Minister, will you provide the funds necessary to ensure that the community of Paulatuk can continue using their freezer for fish and game? Thank you.

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Brendan Bell

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Thank you. As I've said we would make the offer to turn the asset over to the community. We can't provide the O and M funding at this point, but we are sitting down with this community and others to look at alternative approaches. I want the Member to know that we certainly are supportive of the traditional harvest, but in discussions in the last few weeks here, we have seen that we have fewer resources than needs and this area is no exception. We want to be as supportive as possible, but we have to do so in a cost-effective manner. Thank you.

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question today is to the Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation , and it's with regard to the document that I tabled in the House which was a notice of tender for 22 mobile homes; I believe that closes this Friday. The most interesting part of that notice was a little quote saying that the government's business incentive policy would not apply. So I would like to ask the Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation when he made this decision and why he made this decision to exempt the government from their own policy. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 354

Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Member is correct. Our tender indicates that the BIP will be waived on this initiative to supply market housing to the non-market communities. It's an initiative that we have put together to attempt to meet the demands that are being voiced by the communities for housing for people who can afford to live in market rent units. Our communities across the North are facing a real challenge to attract professionals. Now that we are seeing our economy allow more people to become employed, we need to have accommodation in the communities where they can lease or rent.

We decided to target some communities and look at different methods of trying to put accommodations in these communities in the cheapest way possible. The direction from Cabinet was to determine what it would cost to set up units in these communities where we would have competitive rental rates and would also have a good resale value, and we also needed to be able to recover all our costs and not have any subsidies towards these units. We, therefore, decided that trailers were the best way to go. To remove any potential for increased cost, we also requested that the BIP be waived for this initiative.

It is one time only. Thank you.

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Of all the things that the Minister just stated, I don't think the argument that because we need to provide housing that we have to waive BIP makes any sense. I don't think government should be comfortable in saying we have to do this and the way to do it is to waive the BIP. I think the most germane thing that the Minister said is that there is cost involved in the BIP. He's saying that there was potential for cost, this is the cheapest way to do it, and I've been reading from that that the Minister and the Cabinet are suggesting that BIP costs money.

I want to know from the Minister what information he has and what his information says about how much extra cost applying the BIP would have made. Thank you.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Member is indicating that I alluded to the fact that there were increased costs. My comments were that we wished to remove any potential for increased costs. As the Member knows, it's very difficult to calculate whether the BIP does cost us more or whether it costs us less, and that's a difficult calculation to make. In this case, we wanted to ensure we had removed any potential for increased costs and that we knew fairly comfortably that we were working with solid numbers. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don't believe the Minister is working with solid numbers and I don't accept what the Minister just stated that the Members are aware that it's hard to figure out the cost of the BIP. I don't accept that. That has been the government's position for the last Assembly. During the debate about the government exempting the BIP on the jail, that was a multi-million dollar project. If the government cannot figure out what the extra cost would have been on 22 mobile homes, I want to know what all the number crunchers are doing in the government if they can't figure that one out.

I want to know from the Minister what information he used and the Cabinet used in waiving this policy. I'm telling you if you're going to exempt yourself from government policy, you better have the figures to back it up. You better say it's costing us X amount of dollars and it's worth it for us to exempt ourselves. So I want to know from the Minister what were his numbers. Thank you.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we've discussed this, as the Member indicated, yesterday. I informed the committee that we used the best-case and the worst-case scenarios that we could provide. It's very difficult to calculate these things, so what we did was calculate them on a best-case and a worst-case scenario. I have committed to the committee that we will compile all the information and it will be submitted to the committee. I will commit again to the Member that we will get this information to her. Thank you.

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Question 92-15(2): Flat Rate Rent Scale

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Mr. Speaker, today my question is to the Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation . I would just like to say thank you for addressing the honourable Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes with regard to the flat rate rent scale zone. I did bring it up yesterday in Committee of the Whole that it's something that my constituents were interested in. More specifically, the way it currently exists is that they're not interested in paying rent or mortgage on a fluctuating scale. I was just wondering if the Minister was looking at some other alternative where they can base the rent scale on let's say last year's annual income. I'm just wondering if perhaps the Minister is looking towards that at all.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, we have looked at the concept of a flat rent scale and, as I indicated in my response to Mr. Allen , it is not something that at this point we are looking at as an option. Right now our social housing programs have a ceiling of 30 percent of household income, and we are concerned that by going to a different methodology of calculating rent, we would allow our clients to have to pay higher than that. It would have effect on some of the groups. We would really be putting extra burden on especially our seniors and our singles. So it is not something we are looking at at this point.

It is something that we are keeping an eye on or leaving open as an option as the CMHC funds decline, and we have to keep everything that is a possibility on the table. Thank you.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. As I understand more about the flat rate rent scale, I am not in a position to support an increase in the cost of living when it comes to one of the basic necessities, which is having a roof over your head. However, I am just trying to get the Minister to lean towards an appetite that my residents are interested in, which is to base their rent and/or their mortgages on last year's salary, instead of doing a month-by-month verification of income. I am just wondering if the Minister has looked at that and if there is

an appetite by the department to go in that direction. Thank you.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, we haven't recently been looking at any changes to the way we apply our rent scales to our public housing units. In fact, we are in the process where we are trying to increase and encourage homeownership. Our rent scales reflect what the client is making, we do an assessment on a month-to-month basis; however, if the Member is encouraging or would like us to take a look at the whole policy again, and look at a longer term, then maybe it is a good opportunity or a good time to review the situation. We have more people entering the workforce, so we can take another look at it and come back with some comments for the Members.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I am glad that the Minister is willing to be flexible and open to this whole question, and willing to address it. I think I brought it up, as well as the household income, anything else like running a business, you operate best once your expenditures are fixed, and, of course, rent and/or mortgage is one of the biggest expenditures that any one person and/or family has. So this is just one of my ideas of stabilizing household income as well as maybe reducing some of the overhead with regard to maintaining the current program the way it exists for the department.

I am glad that the Minister would be willing to look at that. What process would kick in from the department that would address this process of re-evaluating rent and/or mortgage scales? Thank you.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I hope I was fairly clear that we would take the opportunity at this time to direct our officials to take a look at how we charge rent. We have to recognize the nature of a lot of our clients in our public housing units are on the low income side of the wage scale. More and more of our clients are seasonal workers, therefore the income fluctuates throughout the year. We have to have a system in place that is responsive. The current system has proven that it works.

Although it has its problems, as the Member has indicated, it allows for huge spikes when a person goes from not working to finding a job. Again, we will commit to the Member that we will take a look at the system we have in place, and make comments back to the Member.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Mr. Speaker, thank you very much. I would like to thank the honourable Minister for his reply. My next question is should we be leaning towards this direction? What is our relationship to the local housing organizations in each of the communities, and how can we say this is the direction we are going and do we have input into how they run their boards? Thank you.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, our relationship with the local housing associations or authorities is a partnership arrangement. We have signed universal partnership agreements with roughly half of the LHOs in the Territories. These agreements will be kicking in on April 1st of this year. As per sending a directive, I don't know if that is the way we want to approach it, but if we could come up with a better way to appraise the rent and do assessments, we certainly will bring that to their attention and encourage them to utilize it. Thank you.

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The Speaker

David Krutko

Colleagues, I would like to draw your attention to the visitors' gallery. We have a class from Range Lake North School, the grades 6 and 7 classes, with the principal Sandra Bowden, teachers David Speakman and Mr. Spencer Lyman, and also one of the parents, Mrs. Eleanor Young. I would like to welcome Eleanor. I know Eleanor from her many days up in Holman Island with the Beaufort-Delta leaders meetings. So I would like to welcome you to the House and hope you learn something here today, and if not come back and we will try to redo it all over again. Welcome to the House.

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Item 6, oral questions. Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Villeneuve .

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I want to direct my question to the Minister of Transportation . Mr. Speaker, this has to do with the fact that the Department of Transportation had figured there should be no improvements to Highway No. 6 in the foreseeable future. Mr. Speaker, I just want to point out again the importance of this highway link for residents of Deninu Kue insofar as travelling to the Hub -- Hay River -- to pick up medical supplies, prescriptions, dental and banking, and many other activities that members of Deninu Kue and the settlement of Little Buffalo River rely on on a daily basis.

The volume of traffic has been increasing over the last two years due to the fact that we lost our air service. Mr. Speaker, I want to ask the Minister to tell me how the department measures the volumes of traffic on the highway systems, and what the criteria is to prioritize the amount of work that should be on each road system. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

David Krutko

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, a number of highways require surface overlay, and the department has been attempting to respond as best they can. We have to realize that we are working with a limited budget. We were fortunate this year to receive approval for some funding from the federal government. We have two revenue sources: a partnership arrangement with the federal government, and also through our corporate capital planning system. Highways 5 and 6 were submitted under the corporate capital planning system this year. They were assessed and did not receive any funding.

I am not in a position to force the review committee to decide what projects are going to be brought forward or not. What we can do is resubmit them again next year. The capital planning process allows for review every year, and we will certainly submit it on the community's behalf. Thank you.

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just a question on the review committee's criteria for the allocation and review of the highway system, and the basis on which they prioritize the Transportation department's commitments to highway improvements. I want to know how much weight the review committee puts on the ratio of collisions to highway volume in their evaluations.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we do put a lot of emphasis on the safety factor, but there are other criteria used; the condition of the road. As I indicated, it is something that has to be approved through the corporate capital planning system, and unfortunately this highway did not make the grade for any major improvement. Thank you.

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to ask the Minister if he can provide me with some of the terms of reference for the review committee and their basis of how much weight they put on each factor that they take into consideration, and if the Minister will commit to re-evaluating the importance of this

section of highway for the residents of Deninu Kue so that when they come and ask me as to why there will be no improvements on that

section of the highway that I will be able to provide them with some legitimate reasons and explanations as to why the department disregarded or just didn't consider this highway for improvements in the foreseeable future. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you. Mr. Speaker, we would be glad to provide that information in terms of where it ranked throughout the process. We have to recognize though that we are not able to accommodate all of the capital projects in the North. I think we are doing roughly 60 or 70 percent of what comes forward. It is difficult when we can't access the funding for certain projects. However, the road, we feel, is still in fairly good condition. We will take another look at what was being raised as safety concerns by the Member, and we will provide back in writing where the status of this road is, and what we are presenting to the corporate Capital Planning Review Committee for consideration. Thank you.

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Question 94-15(3): GNWT Rent Scale Policies

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 357

Roger Allen

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Regrettably the Minister is so ideologically married to the old doctrines of this government that he is not willing to consider a change from a rent geared to income to a more levelized kind of rent scale that we so advocate here to help the people adjust to the changes in social economies. Mr. Speaker, that brings me to the point I want to ask the Minister. Has he decided to suddenly introduce new policy changes that would now charge seniors rent, contrary to the old policy? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, if I understand the question correctly, the Member has asked if I am introducing rent to seniors. If that is the question, no, we haven't made that decision. We have deferred the review of the harmonization initiative until the fall. That will come up for consideration at that time, but as of today, no. Thank you.

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Roger Allen

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Under legislative rules to last administer a fee, in his statement back to me he says significant change that seniors' households will now be assessed rent, thus the question is raised again to the Minister, is he willing to or is he planning on introducing policy changes to that effect on charging seniors rent, based on his statement in his reply to my oral question? Thank you.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In my reply to the Member with regard to the oral question, the letter indicates that a flat rent scale if implemented

would cause and place a burden on our seniors and our singles, because a flat rent scale does not take into consideration seniors, or singles, or low income families. It is across the board based on the number of bedrooms, or the number of rooms in a house, and it applies with no discretion. So in the letter I have indicated that it causes us concern to introduce or look at that concept, because it would mean charging rent to seniors. I did not indicate in the letter that we will be bringing to the House a rent scale for seniors. I want to clarify that. Thank you.

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Roger Allen

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Then would the Minister interpret the precise wording of this letter to me in the context of assessing seniors' rent? Thank you.

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Michael McLeod

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Mr. Speaker, I thought I had answered that very question in my previous answer, but again...

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You can answer the question, you can take the question as notice, or don't answer the question, but it is a question.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, again I will answer the question by stating that the flat rent scale would apply undue hardship to our seniors and our single people, and the people on our low rent scale. That is what I indicated in the letter, and that is the reason we haven't moved forward with this whole concept. To us it is, of course, a very attractive concept. It is a way for us to look at bringing more revenue because it would increase the rent scales and it would bring more revenue to the Housing Corporation, but at this point we are not moving forward on it. We have put that on the back burner for the time being.

It is an option that we can look at some time in the near future, but at this point we are not. Thank you.

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Roger Allen

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Then I would ask the Minister, based on his pro forma statement he introduced yesterday during Committee of the Whole, based on his operation expenses in excess of $35 million and rent recoveries only in the neighbourhood of $2.9 million, would he introduce some calculators that would prove that a flat rent scale wouldn't work for the communities under our ideology of trying to promote a social economy? Would he introduce calculators to that effect? Thank you.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think our calculators work fine, but I will get a breakdown of those numbers for the Member and provide them to him. Thank you.

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Item 6, oral questions. Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 95-15(3): Business Incentive Policy Discussion

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 358

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, during my questions early in this Assembly, I had requested more information from the Premier in regard to the written policy on how the Cabinet chooses to waive the BIP, or subsequent to how they choose to apply it would be sort of part and parcel to the question. My question, Mr. Speaker, is to the Premier . Following up on that note, what signal is the Premier looking for in order to bring the whole BIP to general discussion amongst Caucus Members? Thank you.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the BIP is one that has been debated a lot over the last 10 years. It has gone through several amendments, modifications and so on. There is a lot of debate about its value, what it costs us or doesn't cost us, who it works for and who it doesn't work for. During the coming year, RWED is doing an assessment to determine what it costs us in the various scenarios, and when we have that then we may chose to review the whole BIP, but at this point there is no decision made to review the whole policy. We recognize that it fits some situations better than others, but there is no commitment at this point to review that policy again. Thank you.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. May I reaffirm that Cabinet does have to have the liberty of knowing when to waive the policy and when to apply it, I will state that upfront. I have to admit on the other side -- and I am referring to the Regular Members' side of this Assembly -- we have to wear the blindfolds of the decisions made by Cabinet, and when they decide to waive the policy the phone calls come to us, and it truly affects all of our constituents as well as our industry.

My question to the Premier would be in this particular case, when Cabinet decides to use that waiving discretion, would they be able to brief Caucus on some of the pros and cons of why they chose to go in that direction, because I think that truly affects the general membership of this Assembly in a critical way. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, a policy is a general statement of intent, and direction, and so on from a government. It is not a commandment, it is not a law. It is statement of how we

intend to conduct business. Every policy we have in government has a statement that says that nothing in the policy shall be construed to limit the prerogative of Executive Council to make exceptions where the circumstances warrant. We have to look at the various interests and determine what the best way of doing this, does this warrant an exception. Mr. Speaker, in some cases we do that, but in other cases we most often choose not to. If we are making a lot of exceptions, we need to review the whole policy. Mr. Speaker, I wouldn't take this to Caucus.

I don't think it is a matter we want to deal with in Caucus, but certainly it is an issue that we intend to fully communicate with AOC and let committee Members and Members of the Legislative Assembly, where we can, know in advance. But on the communication side, we will do everything we can to make sure that everyone knows why we are making the exception before we do it.

Mr. Speaker, in this case, we have pushed a budget very quickly, and there may be some things that we could have done better in communicating the most recent decision here. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My line of questioning is focused on appreciation that we are not here to limit their discretion, but I guess the way some of us hear about this discretion that is being used is through the media. It is difficult to walk down the streets of Yellowknife without having to wear a helmet due to safety on the concerns that many citizens are very upset about the fact that you can waive or apply the policy.

So without prior notice of this coming, or for us to understand some of the reasons why, it is difficult for us to defend our Executive Council or even understand why they consider their approach. Not to say we speak in favour of it, but it is a position. Therefore, I am asking the Premier , although he slightly said it, I wish him to clearly commit that he will send us some information as to why they chose to waive a policy; therefore, we will protect the general membership and our belief in the system. Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to remind Members that this issue was brought up in committee. It was brought up in committee as you reviewed the mains for Housing, we did it there. If that wasn't enough and we didn't provide enough information on why we were doing it, or the rationale for it, then we would be happy to do that again if Members want, and we'd be happy to talk about how we may be able to communicate these kinds of exceptions more effectively.

We want to do business with all of the MLAs cooperatively, and we want to do what is right for the majority of the people in the Territories, recognizing we are not going to please everybody all of the time. Mr. Speaker, we are trying to do what we can to make sure Members are aware of changes we are making. We will continue with that, and certainly we would appreciate any advice on how we can do this when we meet in committee at some point to discuss this further.

In terms of the impact of this, again, we'd be pleased to provide information as best we have following the awarding of this particular contract. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I guess in my old age I musn't be hearing very closely to the commitment that was made there, and I am not sure I actually heard one. I almost got the feeling that our Ghandi-style Premier has traded in his sandals for Fred Astaire tapping shoes because he tapped right through this and I didn't hear a solid commitment. Will the Premier clearly commit to us that he will brief us prior to this becoming public knowledge, therefore, we are up to speed fully on the reasons on why they chose to waive the BIP? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Joe Handley

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Mr. Speaker, this particular situation is already public knowledge, so I can't do it before that. In terms of any future exceptions to BIP or to other policies, then we will undertake to let the committees know as soon as we can. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 96-15(3): Including Land Claims And Treaties In Curriculum

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , in keeping with my young age. Would he consider looking at the possibility of working with the education board in the Sahtu region with regard to bringing in a curriculum around the land claims document, because it is a very important document for our children. We have a living document that will benefit and that is going to have an impact on their lives and futures. So it is something that they need to learn about in our education system. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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