Debates of May 10th, 1999

This is page numbers 491 - 519 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 7th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was education .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Northwest Territories Investment Tax Credit

National Nurses' Week

Recognition Of Mother's Day

Consultation By Cabinet And Government

Recognition Of NWT Nurses

Education Funding Concerns

Development Of A Northern Accord

Dealing With Special Needs Children

Union Representation For NWT Power Corporation

Return To Oral Question 89-13(7): Policies To Assist Small Business

Return To Oral Question 166-13(7): Microfilming Government Documents

Returns To Oral Question 169-13(7): Alternative Mining Technology

Return To Oral Question 170-13(7): Evaluation Of Diamond Mining Proposals

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Dealing With The Education Budget

Social Services Delivery In Fort Mcpherson

Working Together Program

Alternative Mining Technology Policy

Attention Deficit Disorder Workshop

Break In The Budget Session

Designated Aboriginal Organizations

Working Together Program

Reviewing Past Reports And Recommendations

Petition 4-13(7): Dissatisfaction With Unw Representation

Petition 5-13(7): Sahtu Region School Bussing Services

Tabled Document 39-13(7): Letters From Diand Minister And New Commissioner Regarding Appointment Of Commissioner

Tabled Document 40-13(7): Report Of Hay River Parent Focus Group On Education - Survey Data

Tabled Document 43-13(7): Letter From Martin Palasz Regarding Wasteful Spending

Tabled Document 44-13(7): Letter From Fort Mcpherson Joint Council Regarding Social Services Workers

Tabled Document 45-13(7): Letter From Louisa Andre Re: Health Care In Tsiigehtchic

Bill 19:

An Act To Amend The Labour Standards Act

Bill 20: Municipal Statutes Amendment Act

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 20: Report Of The Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Erasmus , Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Honourable Michael Miltenberger , Mr. Morin , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Rabesca , Honourable Floyd Roland , Honourable Vince Steen .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 491

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Rabesca . Good afternoon. I would like to thank the Member for Mackenzie Delta for serving in my place while I was away.

--Applause

Orders of the day. Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 57-13(7): Northwest Territories Investment Tax Credit

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Welcome back. Mr. Speaker, I would like to bring Members up to date on the status of the Northwest Territories Risk Capital Investment Tax Credit. This initiative was announced in last years' budget, and approved by the House last September. The program allows investors in Northwest Territories and Nunavut businesses a credit of up to 30 percent of the amount of their investment against Northwest Territories income tax payable, to a maximum credit of $30,000 a year.

The purpose of the credit is to encourage Northerners to invest in northern business operations. I am pleased to inform Members that the administration of this program is now in place, and eligible businesses may apply. The government has appointed Carron Business Services as administrators of the program. Northwest Territories businesses interested in raising capital through the plan should contract Carron Business Services directly for information. Information is also available on the Department of Finance Web site.

To date, two businesses have registered to raise a total of about $1.5 million through the program, and several more are working on applications. I am confident this program will encourage new, small and medium-sized northern businesses to start-up, and existing businesses to expand. Smaller businesses create most new jobs for Northerners and contribute to the growth of our economy. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 57-13(7): Northwest Territories Investment Tax Credit

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Mr. Roland .

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Minister's Statement 58-13(7): National Nurses' Week

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to advise the Members of this House and the public that May 10-16, 1999, is National Nurses' Week. Nurses across Canada are being recognized this week for the valuable contribution they make to the country's health care system. I would like to take this opportunity to recognize all the nurses in the NWT for the work they do to help all Northerners lead healthy and productive lives.

Nurses play an important role in keeping our communities healthy. Through their public health, health promotion and disease prevention services, nurses help to provide us with resources to lead healthier lives. Nurses are the backbone of the NWT health and social services system. They make up almost 85 percent of our health care workers. In most northern communities, a nurse is the first person you see when you need health care. As the first point of contact, northern nurses are expected to provide a broad range of services, requiring special training and knowledge.

A new initiative announced in the budget, if approved, will commit $3 million over the next two years in nurse compensation to help us attract and retain competent nursing professionals. But compensation is only part of the solution. People also want to feel that their job matters and that they make a difference. A qualified nurse can choose where she or he wants to work. Nurses are in great demand, not just in the North, but right across Canada and internationally. It is important to let them know that they are welcome and appreciated in our communities.

Communities can play a critical role in making the North a more attractive place for nurses by supporting and respecting their role at the community level. Nursing is a challenging profession.

While at the International Council in England, there will be an opportunity for the NWT delegates to do some recruiting, and hopefully attract new nurses to come to work in our territory. National Nurses' Week provides all of us with the opportunity to say thank you to our nurses for the dedicated professional care they continue to offer us. I encourage my fellow Members to take some time during National Nurses' Week to recognize and thank the nurses in their communities for the important work that they do. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 58-13(7): National Nurses' Week

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Krutko .

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Member's Statement 150-13(7): Recognition Of Mother's Day

Item 3: Members' Statements

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, Mother's Day is a special day of the year to recognize and cherish all the mothers in the Northwest Territories for the caring, loving, guidance and patience they have given us. We all have been given physical attention as newborns with the love and care of our mothers. They were always there when we needed them. Mr. Speaker, I would like to extend all my wishes to all the mothers of the Northwest Territories in recognition of Mother's Day, which was yesterday.

I sincerely wish that they all had their day with their loved ones and not just for recognition of one day, but throughout the whole year. I would like to recognize all the mothers in my riding of Mackenzie Delta at this time and wish them all the best for yesterday and for the year to come. Thank you.

--Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Member's Statement 151-13(7): Consultation By Cabinet And Government

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there are times that I am sure the average resident of the Northwest Territories gets very confused when they listen to the goings-on of this Assembly. We constantly talk about consultation, between ourselves as MLAs and Cabinet Ministers, between ourselves as MLAs and our constituents and, even, as a government, consultation between ourselves and our aboriginal partners.

While the other side of this House certainly tries to paint a positive picture on the amount of consultation that they do with the Ordinary Members of this Assembly behind closed doors, I would suggest, Mr. Speaker, that the consultation is not quite as all-encompassing as the Cabinet Ministers have led the public to believe. Mr. Speaker, I do not have to try very hard to think of examples of this government spending significant amounts of public money with no consultation with Ordinary Members of the Legislative Assembly or other affected stakeholders.

--Applause

The recent Minister's Forum on Education was formed and mandated with no consultation with the Ordinary Members or the Standing Committee on Social Programs. The $4 million and rising MDAP where any resident of the Northwest Territories could access up to $10,000 was announced by the previous Minister Responsible for the Housing Corporation with no consultation with the Ordinary Members or the Standing Committee on Social Programs.

In last year's budget there was $400,000 extra for the City of Yellowknife so that it could market itself as a potential diamond centre, again, there was no consultation with Ordinary Members.

This Government under the auspices of the former Minister of Finance spent $500,000 on an Economic Strategy, again, with no consultation with the Ordinary Members. Where was this item carefully considered in the Main Estimates?

I hope, Mr. Speaker, that by just mentioning a few examples from the past couple of years residents will realize that the Ordinary Members of this House are not consulted over every decision made by this government. And, that there are several occasions where Ordinary MLAs find our about new government programs and initiatives at the same time as residents of the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, I bring this up because the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment has stated that the Ordinary Members of this Assembly have had eight months to adjust the budget, behind closed doors, somehow implying that the failure of the government to address financial shortfalls in the education budget had to do with the inability of the Ordinary Members to make this happen.

This is not true, Mr. Speaker, as my colleague from Thebacha well knows having sat on the committee that considered the budget of the Department of Education, Culture and Employment for seven of those eight months. He is well aware of this. Mr. Speaker, I would like to seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Member's Statement 151-13(7): Consultation By Cabinet And Government

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

For the benefit of the translators, I would like to ask the Members to please slow down a bit. The Member for Hay River is seeking unanimous consent to conclude her statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Mrs. Groenewegen , you have unanimous consent.

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Member's Statement 151-13(7): Consultation By Cabinet And Government

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, throughout the budget process, Ordinary Members have stated that there is a need for more money in education. The government has stated that they agree, but instead of

dealing with the issue they have put the ball back in the Ordinary Members' court, by asking us where we should make the cuts.

--Applause

Mr. Speaker, this government appears to be able to make decisions that cost the taxpayers of the Northwest Territories money, without consulting the Ordinary MLAs or the affected stakeholders, when it suits them. However, Mr. Speaker, it appears that when there has to be a major decision made on the future of education funding in the Northwest Territories that requires a major governance decision to be made, this government is content to sit back and point fingers at this side of the House. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 151-13(7): Consultation By Cabinet And Government

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Member's Statement 152-13(7): Recognition Of NWT Nurses

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, on a more subdued note, Mr. Roland spoke about this being Nursing Week and I would also like to make some comments on that. I want to begin by also recognizing and thanking all our nurses for their dedication and professional commitment to the health care system in the Northwest Territories. We have often heard visitors and even residents within the territory comment that our health service workers are outstanding. We have many nurses who have been providing care in our communities for 20 to 25 years. That sort of commitment and continuity is of tremendous benefit to everyone.

As a front-line profession, the trust and working relationships established by nurses is crucial to the health of our communities.

The vacancy rate for nurses in the NWT is between 25 to 32 percent, I understand. That compares with what is considered a normal vacancy rate of 7 to 9 percent. The turnover rate in the nursing profession is not an isolated problem, nor is it to the territories. Similar turnover is being experienced in the teaching profession. Some of the circumstances, of course, contributing to the high turnover have to do with wages and benefits, but also with stressful working conditions. Nurses need to be better recognized for the important and crucial role they serve in our communities.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 152-13(7): Recognition Of NWT Nurses

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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Member's Statement 153-13(7): Education Funding Concerns

Item 3: Members' Statements

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today, Mr. Speaker, we find ourselves in this Chamber ready to continue our discussions regarding our current year's budget as well as working on various other important items. Recently, I received a letter from a concerned educator working in my community. Her concerns, of course, are in regard to the limited amount of funding available for our education system and our children's future in education.

Recently, we have seen the Minister's Forum on Education come forward with a number of very good recommendations, as well as receiving petitions regarding this important issue from across our territory. Yet, our government continues to inform us that we do not have the dollars to implement these recommendations. I ask this House, do we want our children to suffer from the highest pupil/teacher ratio in Canada, when we already have the highest level of special needs students in Canada and the highest illiteracy in Canada? Not to mention the highest dropout rate and the highest suicide rate among the youth in Canada, as well as the lowest funding in Canada.

We must find a solution to this very grave problem or our children's future will be a very dismal sight. We need to work together to ensure proper funding is in place for all of our educational facilities. We must also ensure that our children, have the opportunity to succeed as well as any child across the country has. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 153-13(7): Education Funding Concerns

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .

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Member's Statement 154-13(7): Development Of A Northern Accord

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to comment today on the development of a Northern Accord and the reasons why we need it. Mr. Speaker, last week the Premier and a couple of Cabinet Ministers made a presentation to the Dene chiefs here, in Yellowknife. They had indicated that they had wished to develop some kind of, what we have called in the past, a Northern Accord, to bring control of the northern resources to northerners. In the past the Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development has indicated that she would not proceed unless all the aboriginal governments were in agreement.

Mr. Speaker, a good example of why we need to act quickly in this regard is that the federal government refuses to act in the best interests of Northerners. You just have to look at the federal government's refusal to include recommendations on the secondary diamond industry in its comprehensive study of the Diavik Diamond Project. Mr. Speaker, 80 percent of the socio-economic benefits from diamond mining come after the diamonds are taken from the ground. If we cannot ensure northern access to rough diamonds, we may as well just leave those diamonds in the ground.

--Applause

Right now, we receive virtually nothing, no benefits, while the federal government receives over 90 percent of the royalties.

Mr. Speaker, the guidelines for the environmental assessment of the Diavik project state that the project must provide opportunities to diversify the northern economic base to produce and supply new goods and services. The federal government is refusing to put this into their guidelines and we cannot force Diavik to provide rough diamonds for a local secondary diamond industry or to provide jobs to Northerners because the federal government has legal control of our resources currently. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Member's Statement 154-13(7): Development Of A Northern Accord

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Yellowknife North is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do I have any nays? Mr. Erasmus , you have unanimous consent.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I indicated, we currently cannot do much to force resource developers to provide rough diamonds for a secondary industry and we know that we are probably going to have a $60 million deficit in a couple of years here and aboriginal governments need money to implement self-government. Mr. Speaker, this indicates to me that the aboriginal governments and the GNWT should focus on developing a process as quickly as possible so that, hopefully, this would provide enough extra revenue so we can maintain current levels of programs and services.

I applaud the government in its move and I urge the aboriginal leadership to accept the offer and to move quickly. Finally, Mr. Speaker, I also would suggest that the aboriginal leadership do not try to solve all the problems between us while coming to an agreement. Thank you.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Morin .

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Member's Statement 155-13(7): Dealing With Special Needs Children

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As my Member's statement today I will be reading a letter I received from one of my constituents.

As a parent, I would like to say to you, the Minister of Education , the former Minister of Education and the Assembly, the following:

Do any of you know what it is like to teach a child with special needs, along with 20 or more other children in the classroom? I am a parent with a special needs child that is ADHD and I have volunteered my time in the classrooms to help out. As a parent this is not an easy job, to raise a child with special needs. Could you imagine a teacher with just one child with ADHD, ADD, FAS or FAE with no help in the classroom? It would be like trying to teach 40 children all at the same time. In our school a lot of the classrooms are split classrooms.

Not only are the teachers frustrated, but the children are as well, not to mention the special needs children. We fail to help them for no other reason than for money. Our children want to learn and are not getting the help they need from their own government. Please do not pass the buck to the next set of MLAs. We need the help now. We are pleading to you for help. Find the money that is needed to help our children, do not tell us there is no money when we hear that $1 million is going to adult education. Put some of it into our young students, and if you do it now, then it will not cost you more in the future.

Make sure you know what is important to our future. As a parent and a Northerner, I believe our children's education is our future. I keep hearing that education is very important to our elected officials and yet it is the last to get help.

Our former Minister of Education spent approximately $350,000 on a forum, yet everything that the forum found out was put on the table with Mr. Dent last May by all District Education Council Chairpersons. Do you not think that the money spent should have gone into the classrooms? Do not forget it is taxpayers' money, so do not put us aside. In closing, I would like to thank everyone for listening and I would like you to reconsider your decision and put more money in the classrooms for the benefit of our children.

A parent in need.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Henry .

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Member's Statement 156-13(7): Union Representation For NWT Power Corporation

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, later today I will be tabling a petition signed by over a hundred employees of the Northwest Territories Power Corporation. I would like to give a little background to the issue raised in the petition. Under our Public Service Act, the Union of Northern Workers is designated as the employees' association for all employees of the Northwest Territories. The employees have no right under Northwest Territories legislation to decide who will most effectively represent their interests.

Mr. Speaker, the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees freedom of association as a fundamental freedom of each Canadian citizen. Our Public Service Act expressly denies that right. I have raised this issue before with the Minister responsible for the Power Corporation. I appreciate that he has said that he would be willing to change our act if he was convinced that a majority of Power Corporation employees wanted changes. Mr. Speaker, the petition that I will be tabling today bears the signatures of a majority of the unionized Power Corporation employees in our territory.

These employees all want the ability to explore alternative representation. I believe the Minister's condition has now been met.

Mr. Speaker, I would also like to point out that even without this petition, the Public Service Act should still be changed for all government workers. Employees must have freedom of association, the right to choose, at all times, not just when the Minister agrees. Employees may or may not choose to stay with the UNW at any time, but it must be their choice, without interference from outside parties.

Mr. Speaker, I trust that once this petition is tabled, the Minister will act with the utmost urgency to bring the necessary amendments to the Public Service Act to the House. As he is aware, negotiations are ongoing and this issue is extremely time sensitive. Changes must be made now or the Power Corporation employees' rights will be denied for a further three years. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 156-13(7): Union Representation For NWT Power Corporation

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Antoine .

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Return To Oral Question 89-13(7): Policies To Assist Small Business

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a return to an oral question asked by the honourable Mr. Krutko on April 21, 1999, in regard to policies to assist small business.

The Business Incentive Policy is the government's main procurement policy. The policy provides existing northern businesses with a level of business incentive that compensates for the higher cost of operating a business in the Northwest Territories. The business incentive provides a 15 percent bid adjustment for approved northern businesses and an additional 5 percent for operating the business in a specific community, resulting in a combined preference for local content of 20 percent. Despite this, it is still the responsibility of individual businesses to bid competitively on government contracts.

A negotiated contract for the design and construction of a new school at Fort McPherson was awarded to the Gwich'in Development Corporation by the Beaufort Delta Education Council. Tetlit'zheh Construction Ltd. is a sub-contractor under this contract. The parties to this contract are currently under mediation in an effort to resolve outstanding issues.

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Return To Oral Question 89-13(7): Policies To Assist Small Business

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Returns to oral questions. Mr. Steen .

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Return To Oral Question 166-13(7): Microfilming Government Documents

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Henry on April 30, 1999, regarding microfilming government documents.

The GNWT has made substantial progress in recent years toward improving records keeping and records storage processes. The Department of Public Works and Services has been working with departments toward effective records management in a variety of areas. The adoption of a standard classification system was a major step, as are the ongoing efforts towards computerization.

As part of its advice and support to departments, PWS provides regular information concerning the best form for keeping records, whether it be paper, microfilm or some other format. For example, filming records that must be kept longer than 25 years may be done to save storage space or it may be done so that a backup copy is readily available. Information about these types of issues is provided and discussed at regular meetings of department records coordinators. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 495

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Return to oral question, Mr. Kakfwi .

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Returns To Oral Question 169-13(7): Alternative Mining Technology

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you Mr. Speaker, I have two returns today, both to Mr. Erasmus from questions he asked on the 30th of April. The first is in relation to alternative mining technology.

As required by the Canadian Environmental Assessment Act, proponents are required to consider any alternative means of carrying out the project which are technically and economically feasible and assess the environmental effects of each alternative means. The Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development, as the lead regulatory authority under the environmental assessment process, evaluated the three alternative mining technologies presented by Diavik. DIAND hired a consultant who evaluated Diavik's assessment of alternatives and provided a written critique.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the second return is on the question about the evaluation of diamond mining proposals. Mr. Speaker, the responsibility for evaluating mining alternatives rests with the Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development as the lead regulatory authority under the environmental assessment and review process. The Canadian Environmental Assessment Act requires that the environmental impacts of any technically and economically feasible alternatives be considered.

The overall purpose of the environmental assessment process is to ensure that projects do not cause significant adverse environmental effects. Therefore, environmental effects are the key criteria government uses in evaluating alternative technologies. However, safety aspects and employment opportunities are also factored into the decision. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Returns to oral question. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Krutko .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize Pat Thomas with the NWTTA.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 172-13(7): Dealing With The Education Budget

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 496

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, from my Member's statement people might think that I have questions for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , but before I would turn my questions to him, I have some questions for the Minister of Finance . As everyone knows, Mr. Speaker, we concluded three weeks of consideration of the budget a week ago Friday. We had some times during that when there were some unusual circumstances in the House, whereby we had few members here and we did have an unanticipated break in the budget session for a one week period.

Now we are back, after that one week period, here in the House. So, Mr. Speaker, I was very disappointed on the Friday night after we rose for the week break to come back when I heard the Honourable Minister of Finance being interviewed on the radio on Friday night, making comments about the fact that the education budget had not been passed, and in fact, university students now returning home to look for jobs would probably be delayed, in part, thanks to the Ordinary Members for the budget not being passed and this would not be considered until sometime in May. That was on CJCD radio, Mr.

Speaker, that was on Friday night and all day Saturday. I have never heard a piece run so many times, and I perceived it as bullying, badgering and browbeating the Ordinary Members for what happened.

We had good cause and good reason to postpone dealing with the education budget last Friday because we had few Members, we wanted to go home to consult our constituents, and we were pressed for time. We had been here for three weeks and we needed time to do research.

Mr. Speaker, my question for the Minister of Finance is, did the Minister of Finance anticipate that we were actually going to consider the $167 million in education last Friday in two hours and walk out of here with a concluded budget? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Finance , Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the budget process has been going on for sometime. It started last fall when the business plans were presented to the committees of this House. It carried on with presentations of the budgets to the committees and then, finally, it culminates in the budget session in the Legislature. As the Member indicates, we were here for three weeks and, yes, it was the expectation of the government that we are here to work on the budget and we would probably conclude the budget. Mr. Speaker, the Member asks specifically about the Department of Education, Culture and Employment budget.

It is within $1 million or $2 million of the amount for the Department of Health and Social Services and, perhaps, the Member would like to check how long it took this Assembly to consider that budget. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, now I have so many questions. I will try to fit them into three supplementary. Could the Minister of Finance agree that education was the last scheduled department for consideration, and that the Department of Education has created a tremendous amount of concern amongst the people of the Western Arctic who have been contacting us as MLAs, unlike other departments of this government at this time? Would the Minister of Finance , in view of the scheduling, not agree, and come clean and tell the public that there was an unanticipated break in the budget session, a one week break? Thank you.

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Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Obviously there was a break in consideration of the budget as we were not sitting last week and we are here today considering the budget. I had not anticipated there would be a break, and there was. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If there was an unanticipated break, Mr. Speaker, in for one week, the budget session, would the Minister not concur that we would return to

this House to conclude consideration of the budget? Thank you.

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Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have said previously we are here today to conclude consideration of the budget. I hope we are able to conclude consideration of the budget today, tomorrow or however long it takes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, would the Minister of Finance , since he seems to be very keenly aware of this particular program he referred to in his radio interview called Working Together, would the Minister please tell us if the one week delay on the consideration on this very important Department of Education, Culture and Employment has caused a delay in the hiring of any students or has this caused any hardship that he is aware of, or was this just an issue he raised to, as I said browbeat the Ordinary Members? Thank you.

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Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On Friday, April 30th, the Members of Cabinet may have felt browbeaten by the actions of some of the Ordinary Members.

In fact, Mr. Speaker, there has been a delay in the implementation of that program because that program was not included in the Main Estimates. Therefore the Interim Supply Bill that was passed did not include any funds for that program. It is, therefore, in contravention of the Financial Administration Act for any funds for this program to be expended. The program cannot be funded until the budget is concluded and that amount of money is approved. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

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Question 173-13(7): Social Services Delivery In Fort Mcpherson

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 497

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I received a letter from the Fort McPherson Joint Council which is made up of the Band Council and the Hamlet Council. Mr. Speaker, the letter is in regard to concerns with the social worker in Fort McPherson. Mr. Speaker, the letter states that at the present time there is only one social worker in the community, and that person will be leaving the position on May 14th, which will leave the community with no social worker to deal with the social services and problems in our communities.

Mr. Speaker, the letter also states that at present the social workers are seeing an increased workload and administration in regard to client visits. They state that it is due largely to the closure of the Tl'oondih Healing Centre and having limited consultation resources to assist social services in the area of care. Mr. Speaker, I sent the Minister a copy of this letter to make him aware of the issue, so I would like to ask the Minister, what can his department do to assist the community of Fort McPherson so that they can continue to deliver health and social services programs in the community of Fort McPherson? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Health and Social Services Department, Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Member raises a very important point, that social workers all over the territories are feeling the pressure that we have in the system of demanding services or increases in the demand for services and increasing difficulty to complete their tasks. I did receive a copy of the letter from the Member this morning. The department is in contact with the regional health board to see what is occurring and how we can help to reduce the concerns and have qualified workers in the communities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the community of Fort McPherson has almost 800 people, yet we are leaving the responsibility to one individual. I would like to ask the Minister if he can also consider looking at the increased workload on other social workers in, say, Aklavik and also in Tsiigehtchic, who presently have to depend on limited resources for social workers. Can he also look to assist those other communities and see if there is also a problem with shortages of social workers in those communities?

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Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have to go back to the department to get more information in that area. I am sure that, as the Member and the Members of this House are aware, that we are quite concerned with the number of workers we have in the smaller communities. We are struggling to try and deal with that and come up with a solution. I think we have showed, as an Assembly, we are committed to that by approving the $3 million which is part of the retention package for health and social service workers. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Delivery in Fort McPherson

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regard to the joint letter, it clearly states that they would like this treated in regard to the concerns as the serious matter and that it be urgently dealt with. I would like to ask the Minister, how soon can he get back to the community and try to assure them that they will not have no one in the Department of Health and Social Services and they will ensure that there will be a social worker in the community?

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the department has been working with all boards and the Inuvik Regional Health Board, as well, to try and deal with the shortages of nurses and social workers in the communities. We do take this very seriously. As I said earlier, I think this Assembly has shown the importance that it places on the quality and care of residents in all the communities, so we are doing what we can. I will get back to the Member as to the information I receive. The calls are just going out early this afternoon to try and get more information as to the specifics of these concerns. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I also note in my letter with regard to the increased workload that the social workers are having that they are also finding, that with the closure of the Tl'oondih Healing Society and the limited consultation resources, people in other portfolios, the alcohol and drug providers, will the Minister also look at ensuring that when we talk about community empowerment, we also allow the community to take on these responsibilities and have the resources to assist the social workers so that we can decrease the workload of the social workers?

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the area of human resources, the health boards have been block-funded, and on a formula basis, it is worked out as to the amount of funding they would receive that they can apply to the different areas, whether it be nurses or social workers and facilities-wise. That is all included. We do not have more funding to go over and above what has been delegated to the health boards. As I stated earlier, we are trying to deal with the issue of the shortages that we are seeing throughout the territory and the extra funding we got will go a long way to ensuring that we can try and meet the needs of our residents. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are also for the Minister of Finance , Mr. Dent . They also are concerning the Working Together Program, which is a program that was part of the budget. My question relates to the Interim Supply Bill that we passed in April, Mr. Speaker. I believe, on this budget, it was for three months of supply because we anticipated that we could not pass the budget until May or June, depending on when we would meet. Therefore, I am wondering if the Minister could tell me why the Working Together Program was not a part of the interim budget that we passed, the Interim Supply Bill?

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The last time the budget was presented to the committees, the Working Together Program had been presented as a sunsetted item, meaning one that would not have any funds attached to it. The decision to continue the funding for that program was made, I believe, seven or eight days before the budget speech. Therefore, it was not included in the Interim Supply Bill.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

That confused me, Mr. Speaker. Perhaps the Minister can just restate that for me because I guess the question I have from that is, was that a Cabinet decision not to include it in the budget, or was it a committee recommendation not to include it in the budget?

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, when the program was initiated, it was presented as an initiative for two years, which expired on March 31st, 1999. In the business plans that were presented to committee and in the detailed budget presentations, that program was shown as having no funding. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It still does not answer my question. Was it a Cabinet decision not to put this item in the budget or was that a committee decision not to put it in the budget? Since I am not part of the social envelope committee, I think it is a fair question for me to ask here. Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The decision was made two years ago to fund the program until March 31, 1999. That was a decision that, as part of the regular business planning process, came from the government, was presented to the committees, and was voted on by this Legislature in terms of the allocation of funds. In early April, when we were considering the budget as a new Cabinet, we looked at initiatives that we could undertake given our fiscal situation and felt that the Working Together Program had proved very worthwhile and one that should be continued for one more year.

Therefore, this initiative was announced in the budget speech. It is now up to this Legislature to determine whether or not those funds are approved. Thank you, Mr. Speaker

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Since we are only dealing with $1 million and since we, no doubt, in the next two to three months, will pass this budget because we did provide, I believe, a $40 million or $50 million interim appropriation, could the Minister not see fit to apply the $1 million dollars to this particular program? Surely they have that right within the department to juggle money between programs. I am wondering why that cannot be done in this particular instance instead of suggesting that this Legislature is holding up this particular program because we asked questions beyond last Friday. I do not think that is fair. Thank you.

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Charles Dent

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am advised that the Financial Administration Act does not allow funding transfer for programs not included in the Interim Supply Bill. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 175-13(7): Alternative Mining Technology Policy

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development . Mr. Speaker, the Honourable Minister had made a reply to an oral question that I had asked him on April 30th concerning the alternative mining technology in relation to the Diavik diamond project. I had asked the Minister what was the government's position on the use of alternative mining technology to carry out this project.

The Minister, in his reply, had indicated that, as required by the Canadian Environmental Assessment Act, proponents are required to consider any alternative means for carrying out the project which are technically and economically feasible, et cetera. However, he neglected to answer my question. I was just wondering, if the Minister did not answer my question, what is the government's position on the use of alternative mining technology, does that mean that the department does not have a position on Diavik using alternative mining technology to carry out their project? Thank you.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister had indicated that the government does not develop positions on this type of stuff, or mining technology. Could the Minister indicate why they do not develop positions on these things?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, as we have said, it is not for us to take a position and to make a decision on these. These are being advanced by the proponents of the mine that is being discussed with the aboriginal leaders and aboriginal communities to a federal process. There are a variety of interests here, and at the end of the day it is not the Government of the Northwest Territories that is going to make that type of decision. We do look at the different suggestions that are made and we do evaluate the merits, the pros and cons of them, but we do not take a final decision on these types of issues while they are still being discussed. Thank you.

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Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister had indicated that it is not up to the GNWT to make a final decision. That is obvious, Mr. Speaker. However, it is up to the GNWT to look after the best interests of the residents of the Northwest Territories and looking after the environment and the wildlife, I would expect is included in looking after the best interests of our residents. What I would like to know is has the GNWT expressed a preference of how the mining projects are

developed, whether they should be more actively pursuing different alternative mining technology to carry out the project? Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The aboriginal communities and aboriginal groups are also involved in this process, as I have said. It would be premature and presumptuous of us to take positions in advance of their having an opportunity to give due consideration to some of the suggestions that are being made by the proponents.

We try to make it a habit to hear out communities as well as the environmental groups, the aboriginal communities affected, to ensure that their concerns, economically, from a business standpoint, their concerns and interests regarding wildlife, the land, and the environment are all properly weighed and considered by themselves as well as by the process and that we take an active

part in that. That is generally how we carry out our part of the exercise in a process like this. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister had indicated that I did not want to move prior to the aboriginal organizations reviewing and making some type of statement, I believe. I cannot remember the exact wording. However, does this mean that if the aboriginal organizations, governments, are basically in agreement that this project should proceed using alternative mining technology such as more underground mining, that this government will go hand in hand with that agreement and also indicate that this is the way things proceed? Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, it does not mean that we will take a position simply to be in agreement with any party involved in the process. What it means is we enter into the process with the best of intentions to work as best we can to make sure all factors are considered, so the process in everyone's interests are taken into account and given due consideration before the process concludes. That is really what it means and that we hope that the process will give due regard to the interests of everyone and that somehow we will all end up happy with the decision and the results of the work and deliberations we enter into. That is what it means. Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question will be for the Minister of Education . Mr. Speaker, I had an opportunity last fall because of the initiative of our local education society in Fort Resolution. Fort Resolution Local Education Society had the vision to bring in a Mr. Tom Hartman, a leading expert in attention deficit disorder into the community. They also had an opportunity to bring over to join in the workshop, a local education society from Lutselk'e, as well as many teachers and people from the South Slave district. To date, Mr.

Speaker, I have never heard any negative response to that workshop that we held in Fort Resolution. I have only heard positive things about that workshop that was held in Fort Resolution. Also, at that same time, Mr. Speaker, we had an opportunity to have Mr. Hartman put on a small type workshop here at the Legislative Assembly and at that time there were also many teachers from Yellowknife that were able to attend as well as many of the Members. Mr. Hartman's theories are quite different than other peoples' theories. He is known as one of the leading experts in attention deficit disorder.

He is renowned around the world. I do not know if Mr. Miltenberger had the opportunity at that time to attend the workshop. I cannot remember. But is Mr. Miltenberger , as Minister of Education , aware of Mr. Tom Hartman and his theories on attention deficit disorder? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In fact, I did have the opportunity to attend the workshop session over, I believe, it was a lunch hour, that was organized by the Member from Tu Nedhe . To that extent, I am familiar with Mr. Hartman. I am also somewhat aware of the issue of attention deficit disorder. It is one of the many special needs that we are trying to deal with in a constructive way as a government and, in fact, it is on the list along with FAS and FAE as I work with my colleague from the Department of Health and Social Services trying to pull together a more coordinated approach in dealing with those very critical issues. Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is good to hear that the Minister of Education is working with his colleague, our Minister of Health and Social Services on the special needs in our classrooms. Mr. Hartman had tried to, he has never firmed up, but he made a statement at that time that he may be willing to come to the Northwest Territories to work with our teachers and our educators, our parents and our local education societies to help them with the special needs in our communities.

Now, I know that there are many different special needs and he may not have benefit to them all, but I think that we do have to look and see how we can address the issues in our classrooms. It may not necessarily only mean just throwing dollars at the problem, but it may mean being innovative and trying things differently. Is the Minister, Mr. Speaker, willing to take a look at innovative ways and different approaches on how to meet the special needs in our communities and in our schools? Thank

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, very clearly, as the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , with a budget of $170 million which everybody has pointed out quite eloquently is insufficient, I am definitely very interested and so are the officials of Education, Culture and Employment at looking at innovative ways to, in fact, see how we do business, how can we address issues working with communities and DEAs and schools to look at some of the issues that the Member has just touched on. Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Sometimes the answers may lay just across the street in some of the issues that need to be addressed in our education system as well as in our schools. Mr. Speaker, I know that in some cases the government has worked in a cohesive manner with other departments to enable programs to be carried out in the school. Like the Minister has just mentioned, Mr. Speaker, I believe he said it was a $168 or $170 million budget, the Department of Education has. But also, Mr.

Speaker, I must bring to his attention there was approximately another $500 to $600 million that the government has out there and there are other departments that can assist with our educational need in our school systems. It does not necessarily mean the money has to be transferred to the education budget.

What it means is that the government has to work as a whole on the education issue in the Northwest Territories whether it means creating economic development opportunities so our children can go there or creating opportunities through the Housing Corporation so that they can make use of the big shops that we have in our schools that sit idle. Those are the ways. Is the Minister willing to work with his colleagues to find other ways to work within the schools to develop programs, ultimately educational programs that we need in the school so that we can make better use overall of our government dollars? Thank you.

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Mr. Miltenberger

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Member has succinctly and quite, accurately outlined, I think, an approach that we are trying to take, that the social envelope committees Members with the Departments of Health and Social Services, Education, Housing, Justice and MACA are, in fact, at the table trying to come together with a work plan as we were directed to as well by the social programs committee. But yes, we recognize, along with the Member, that the $170 million that education has is not the only money that the government has in the social envelope.

We spend 60 percent or so of the government's budget and there is a lot of room and a lot of potential to better integrate our efforts to better coordinate what we are doing to come up with, along with the communities and DEAs and health boards, ways to integrate and make sure we are as efficient and effective as possible. Thank you.

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Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Final supplementary. As the Minister is aware the community of Fort Resolution is situated in my riding of Tu Nedhe. I have Lutselk'e in the riding as well. I know that local education societies are very, very involved as well as the parents in the educational needs of their children. I also know that sometimes, Mr. Speaker, when we seem to look too broad or talk a problem at too high of an issue, that sometimes you do not come up with the proper solutions and sometimes it is better, Mr.

Speaker, that you tackle those issues at the grassroots levels right at the communities and right at the schools where our communities are willing to look at innovative new ways and look at everything in their community in order to move ahead on their education. Is the Minister willing to look at pilot projects or is he willing to also look, Mr. Speaker, at working with the communities of Fort Resolution and Lutselk'e on new innovative ways to meet the education need in their community with all the other departments in that community as well? Thank you.

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Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Member from Tu Nedhe raises a critical issue and that is, in fact, how important the family is and the child is. It is the centre and the starting point for the development of our programs. There is a need to work back from there, be it to preserve language or culture, come up with a way to improve the education system. That is where you learn your values. That is where you get your start in life. Yes, as Minister, I am very interested as are my colleagues, as I have indicated, to sit down and work as closely as we can with the communities.

I agree that a lot of the common sense, hands-on suggestions are going to be found in the communities. Very clearly, communities will not have a standard response to every issue and that the Member's communities of Lutselk'e and Fort Resolution probably have their own unique perspective and suggestions in how to improve their situation. I would be happy to speak on behalf of my social envelope colleagues that, yes, we are interested and I hope to in the not too distant future get an opportunity to go down to the Member's communities to, in fact, talk to the DEA.

Next week I am heading off to the Beaufort Delta, Holman Island, Sachs Harbour and Paulatuk and Tuktoyaktuk, but I am going to try to visit all of the communities. Yes, I look forward to the chance to sit down with the Member and his community to, in fact, touch on these issues. Thank you.

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Question 177-13(7): Break In The Budget Session

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions again are for the Minister of Finance . Mr. Speaker, since the Ordinary Members of this House are being vilified in the media for not rushing through the education budget, I think it is important for the benefit of the public that they understand the rationale of why the Ordinary Members took their time with this. To that end, could the Minister please inform the House why did the Assembly during the budget session in the middle...

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We have a point of order. Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. With the greatest of respect, a point of order. The Member from Hay River continually mentions the Ordinary Members of this House. I am one of those Ordinary Members and let me assure you the Member from Hay River does not speak for me as an Ordinary Member. Thank you.

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There is no point of order. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That is good to get that clear. I am sure everybody understands that. Could the Minister of Finance please advise this House why we did break for one week in the middle of the budget session? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you. I will allow that question to be forwarded to the Minister of Finance , but I do not know if the Minister can answer for the whole Assembly. The Minister of Finance .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As you have pointed out, I cannot answer on behalf of the Assembly. I can say that it was the government's expectation that we would come back this week after concluding the budget to see whether or not Bill 15 might be coming forward from the standing committee for consideration. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the interest of a thorough consideration of the education budget, perhaps the Minister could explain to us why he took it so personally that the education budget had not been concluded on Friday to the point that he would comment on this on CJCD radio and, did he truly expect that education and the budget as a whole could have been concluded that day in the two hour time period before we had to recognize the clock? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you. I will rule the question out of order. The Member cannot ask a personal opinion of a Minister that is responsible for a department. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Perhaps then I could ask if the Minister could just clarify for us what was the intent of his comments on CJCD last Friday and Saturday? Thank you.

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Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I was asked, as was the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , for a comment by the press on the budget not having been concluded. I said that I was disappointed we had not concluded the budget. When asked if there was any impact, I said yes, there are two programs we had announced, Investing in People and the Working Together Program that would be affected in terms of when access to funds would be available. My colleague, the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , made similar comments to other members of the media, and it was reported in other media in the same manner. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you. This is my final question then, Mr. Speaker. What the Minister of Finance is saying is that he wanted this House to conclude consideration of the $167 million for the Department of Education, Culture and Employment in the less than two hours that we had last Friday before the planned break in the House, he wanted that concluded in less than two hours in order to recognize the clock at 2 o'clock on Friday. Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I was not saying that we needed to necessarily conclude it, I said I was disappointed that we did not conclude the budget. I would point out that we did not answer any questions about the budget, nor did we get into the details of the budget. In fact, we did not talk about the budget on Friday, the 30th, when we could have at least started consideration. Mr. Speaker, there were at least two previous occasions during that week when this House voted to extend hours to conclude consideration of items or to carry on the consideration.

We were not limited necessarily by the four hours less the lunch hour we had scheduled for ourselves on Friday. We could have carried on consideration if it was the will of the Members. Members did not have that will, and as a result, we took a break for a week. Thank you, Mr.

Speaker.

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Oral questions. Mr. Krutko .

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Question 178-13(7): Designated Aboriginal Organizations

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Transportation . I would like some clarification in regards to the

interpretation of designate aboriginal organizations. There are certain organizations which are out there at the present time, you have the Gwich'in Tribal Council which recognizes or basically represents a Gwich'in person who is enrolled in a land claim to implement the land claim. Myself, I am enrolled in the Gwich'in claim in which, ...basically the Gwich'in Tribal Council, who is the one implementing the land claim on that sector. Then you also have other organizations in the communities such as the Metis Local which recognizes the Metis of the community.

You have a band council which recognizes the band members who are basically enrolled through the Indian Act. I would like clarification from the Minister, is there a policy within the department which basically decides which organization you are with? Because I am an aboriginal businessman, does that mean that I am also an aboriginal organization? I would like clarification from the Minister on exactly how do you designate an aboriginal organization in the context of contracts?

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Transportation , Mr. Steen .

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Department of Transportation has some guidelines to follow in relation to negotiated contracts. To my knowledge, the negotiated contract policy does not specifically identify any set aboriginal group that would be recognized as eligible for negotiated contracts. It simply says that any group is eligible to be registered under BIP is, in fact, then eligible to approach the department for a negotiated contract.

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