Debates of March 29th, 1999

This is page numbers 149 - 169 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 7th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was nunavut .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Western Boundaries

Resignation Of Ministers

National Wildlife Week, April 4-10, 1999

Cabinet Selection Reflections And Experiences

Congratulations To Cabinet Members-elect

Acknowledgement Of Colleagues' Support

Tribute To Mr. Todd And Mr. Arlooktoo

Opening Of Fort Mcpherson Curling Rink

Appreciation Of Colleagues' Support

Congratulations To Cabinet Members-elect

Congratulations To Cabinet Members-elect And New Commissioner

Congratulations To Incoming And Outgoing Cabinet Members

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Land Claim Agreements Implementation

Yellowknife Office Space Plan

Business Input Into Protected Area Strategy

Clarification On Aurora Fund Issues Strategy

Diamond Training Programs

GNWT Contracting Policies

Pay Equity For Excluded Employees

Further Returns To Question 55-13(7): Pay Equity For Excluded Employees

Aboriginal Employment Opportunities

Negotiated Contracts Benefits

Diamond Training Programs

Negotiated Contracts Benefits

Student Hiring Program

Reply 3-13(7):

Tabled Document 26-13(7): Report For The Meeting To Discuss The Future Of Inuit Stone Carving In Nunavut

Tabled Document 27-13(7): Package Of Letters From NWT Library Association Members Regarding The Pay Equity Offer For Librarians

Extended Adjournment

Appointment Of Members To The Executive Council Of The Nwt

Appointment Of Deputy Speaker

Appointments To The Management And Services Board

Appointments To The Standing Committee On Social Programs

Appointments To The Standing Committee On Resource Management And Infrastructure

Appointments To The Standing Committee On Government Operations

Appointments To The Standing Committee On Rules And Procedures

Appointments To The Striking Committee

Extended Adjournment

Appointment Of Members To The Executive Council Of The Northwest Territories

Appointment Of Deputy Speaker

Appointments To The Management And Services Board

Appointments To The Standing Committee On Social Programs

Appointments To The Standing Committee On Resource Management And Infrastructure

Appointments To The Standing Committee On Government Operations

Appointments To The Standing Committee On Rules And Procedures

Appointments To The Striking Committee

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Mr. Morin , Mr. Ningark , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Rabesca , Honourable Floyd Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable John Todd .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 149

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Rabesca . Good afternoon. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Antoine .

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Minister's Statement 28-13(7): Western Boundaries

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 149

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to update Members on recent discussions with Mr. Justice de Weerdt. The parties spoke to Mr. Justice de Weerdt by conference call on Friday, March 26, 1999. We are all concerned about the April 1st deadline. I instructed my officials to seek an interim extension to the April 1st deadline to give us a comfort zone to work out a longer extension on the time. Mr. Justice de Weerdt agreed on Friday to an interim extension to April 10, 1999. In addition, a motion to extend that time further will now be heard by Mr.

Justice de Weerdt in Yellowknife on Wednesday March 31, 1999. Open court will be held at approximately 10:00 a.m. to hear this motion. Everybody is welcome to come and listen to the case.

We have consistently said that the best decision for all residents of the Northwest Territories is to try to find a political solution. All parties seem to agree to that. We also agree that we have to buy some time to talk about that political solution. Hopefully, we will get that time on Wednesday. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 28-13(7): Western Boundaries

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 149

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Ministers' statements. Mr. Antoine .

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Minister's Statement 29-13(7): Resignation Of Ministers

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 149

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mr. Speaker, I wish to advise the House that I have received resignations, effective 5:00 p.m. today, from the Honourable John Todd and the Honourable Goo Arlooktoo . As Minister of Finance and Government House Leader, Mr. Todd has been a true leader during some of the most difficult years this government has faced. He has worked relentlessly to manage our limited resources in an environment full of challenging issues and demands on those resources. His vision, energy and his colourful personality will be missed.

Mr. Arlooktoo has continually displayed political skill and wisdom beyond his years. His quiet confidence and his sense of humour have been a stabilizing element in Cabinet. He has capably managed his portfolio responsibilities and has, on many occasions, demonstrated his leadership as Deputy Premier.

On behalf of Cabinet, I would like to say to these two Ministers that we are grateful for your work, your sacrifices and your inspiration and we wish you the best for the future. Mr. Speaker, I wish to advise the House that I will take over responsibility for their portfolios on an interim basis. Mahsi, Mr. speaker

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 29-13(7): Resignation Of Ministers

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 149

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Minister's Statement 30-13(7): National Wildlife Week, April 4-10, 1999

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 149

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, this is in regard to National Wildlife Week, April 4-10th. Mr. Speaker, the biggest threat to wildlife today is the loss of suitable habitat. In southern Canada, animals are being squeezed out of areas where they once flourished. Fortunately, wildlife in the Northwest Territories has not been threatened to the same extent. We have a unique opportunity in the north to be proactive in looking after our wildlife and its habitat.

Please join me in celebrating National Wildlife Week during April 4-10, 1999. This year's theme, Home is Where There is Habitat, reminds us that without sufficient food, water, shelter and space, wildlife simply cannot survive.

Many wildlife species travel great distances through a variety of habitats. For example, grizzly bears wander hundreds of kilometres looking for food while caribou travel vast distances during the annual migration. Even though wildlife species may not live permanently in an area of development, their needs must be considered in planning for any development. With growing interest in the resource development potential of the NWT, including oil, gas and minerals, it is increasingly important for us to remain good stewards of our wildlife and their habitat.

The Protected Areas Strategy will help us maintain wildlife habitat by protecting wilderness and important traditional harvesting areas. As we enter our first year as the new Northwest Territories, we want to celebrate our wildlife and their habitats. National Wildlife Week provides an excellent opportunity to profile our rich wildlife resource and its importance in our northern culture. Thank you.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 30-13(7): National Wildlife Week, April 4-10, 1999

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 149

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Before we go to Members' statements I would like to begin by recognizing the Honourable John Todd , who unfortunately was not present last week when the name plates were presented by the Legislative Assembly to

the eastern Members. This was to recognize their services to the 13th Legislative Assembly. Mr. Todd , you will find your name plate in front of you and our appreciation attached to it. At the same time, Members from the western Northwest Territories will also find their name plates on their desk. This gift from the Legislative Assembly also recognizes your services and commitment to the issues of the continuing 13th Assembly. With that I will continue with the business of the House. Item 3, Members' statements. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Member's Statement 79-13(7): Cabinet Selection Reflections And Experiences

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 150

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate Mr. Miltenberger and Mr. Steen as the two Members elect to Cabinet today. I had them both over for supper last night and they were joking with me about whether or not the turkey was cooked and whether I was taking this opportunity to feed them so that I could poison them. I must confess, at the time I did not think it was necessary.

--Laughter

They kidded me about what time the Leadership Committee started today attempting to lead me to believe that it started later than it did. You might think them honourable men, but they also suggested that they might hijack some of the candidates on the way to the Legislature today and lock them up in a room with a television so they could follow the proceedings, but not get out until it was too late to vote.

All this talk of pranks and capers resulted in me having a terrible dream last night and this was what I really dreamed. I am not making this up. This is not a joke. I dreamed I was in Hay River trying to get to Yellowknife for the Cabinet selection. I was driving an old car and after loading it up to set out the door fell off. I then rushed to the airport to catch Buffalo Airways at 7:30 and in my dream it was just taking off the runway and it was only 7:27, three minutes ahead of schedule. I then called Landa Aviation to charter a flight, and Larry and Anne were away.

The replacement pilot told me he could not fly me to Yellowknife, because his dog had just had puppies the night before. Just as I was resigning myself to the fact that, perhaps, I was not meant to be in Yellowknife today, I woke up and was pleasantly relieved to see that I was in Yellowknife. So as to avoid any unforeseen circumstances, such as hijackers, I left for the Legislature at 7:00 a.m. As the morning proceeded I realized that it might have been better if my nightmarish dream had in fact been a reality.

Seriously, everything turns out the way that it was meant to be. Now I do not have to be away from Hay River for the next six months, I do not have to move my office, I don't have to put my business into a blind trust, yet, and yahoo, I can spend the summer at home in my constituency. As I always believe, all things do work together for good.

Congratulations and thank you to all the candidates who had the courage to put their names forward and especially good wishes to Mr. Miltenberger and Mr. Steen . Thank you.

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Member's Statement 79-13(7): Cabinet Selection Reflections And Experiences

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 150

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Member's Statement 80-13(7): Congratulations To Cabinet Members-elect

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 150

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would also like to add my congratulations to Mr. Steen and Mr. Miltenberger for being elevated to our exalted positions of Cabinet Ministers. I am confident they will do excellent work there and do an excellent job of representing all of us, Mr. Speaker. However, I would like to make reference to Mr. Steen 's promise that he would continue to be one of the Ordinary Members in thought, and sometimes in practice. I think we should hold Mr. Steen to that, because we may, from time to time, need a vote on this side of the House. I think it is important for you to remember that, Mr.

Steen , because it was a promise and I think there were Members that voted a specific way in considering that.

I would like to say, Mr. Speaker, that it was a pleasure to be able to take

part in the leadership race. Certainly I think it was a good process and one that I enjoyed taking

part in. Naturally I am disappointed I did not get elevated to that exalted position, however, there will be another race hopefully in November, in which hopefully I will be able to return and seek a position then.

That particular opportunity this morning gave me a chance, Mr. Speaker, to speak about a number of areas, and one was the need to address a program over the next ten years to address the needs of our youth. I see we have many of them in the House here today, and I think that is a critical area for us to address our concerns. After all, here sit the future leaders of the Northwest Territories. Here are the leaders in the next millennium. People who will be sitting in this House perhaps in ten or 15 years, perhaps in five years depending on their age.

I think it is important for this government to dedicate itself to youth issues, youth programs and youth needs. Be they whatever they are, social areas, economic areas. That is what is really important, Mr. Speaker. I think everybody in the territories will agree with me if we do that. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 80-13(7): Congratulations To Cabinet Members-elect

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 150

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statement. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Member's Statement 81-13(7): Acknowledgement Of Colleagues' Support

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 150

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to take this one opportunity in three and a half years to say hello to my family back home. I will be hopefully home in the next day or so. I would like to thank my colleagues for the honour they have bestowed upon me, by electing me to Cabinet. I will work as hard as I have to, and as long as I have to, to do the job on behalf of all the people of the Northwest Territories. Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 81-13(7): Acknowledgement Of Colleagues' Support

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Morin .

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Member's Statement 82-13(7): Tribute To Mr. Todd And Mr. Arlooktoo

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 150

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to stand up and publicly say to the Minister of Finance, the Honourable John

Todd, as well as the Minister, the Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , thank you very much for the honour of working with you for the past three years. In your case, Mr. Todd , the past six or seven I believe. I really appreciated what these two Members brought to Cabinet as well as to this Legislative Assembly.

I can remember quite well, Mr. Speaker, three years ago when we received an economic plan from the staff at the government, and everything looked like doom and gloom. We have managed to survive that over three years with the great help of the Honourable John Todd as the Minister of Finance, the man that we always said should give t-shirts to all the MLAs saying we are broke, or say no. It is not easy to be in politics when there is no money. It is not easy to make the tough decisions.

Mr. Todd , I do appreciate the tough decisions that Cabinet had to make as well as yourself, the leadership you played. I believe both new territories are going to benefit from the decisions this government has made in the past, I believe that both new territories are going to benefit from the decisions the Minister of Finance made. I would like to thank you once again, Mr. Todd , on behalf of the constituents of Tu Nedhe, and the rest of the people in the western Arctic, as well as Nunavut. It has been a great three years working with you, best of luck, I know you will do well.

I would also like to congratulate Mr. Steen and Mr. Miltenberger on their appointment to Cabinet. We will have fun. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 82-13(7): Tribute To Mr. Todd And Mr. Arlooktoo

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 151

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Krutko.

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Member's Statement 83-13(7): Opening Of Fort Mcpherson Curling Rink

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 151

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I had the opportunity to celebrate with the people of Fort McPherson the opening of the John J. Francis curling rink. This facility is an example of what happens when the government programs follow community priorities and work along with the community to meet those priorities. This curling rink was not funded 100 percent by the government. A large portion of the construction costs were fundraised within the community of Fort McPherson.

This was possible, because the curling rink was a dream held by the residents of Fort McPherson and a priority for the people of Fort McPherson. It will give them the power and the opportunity to make all efforts in the community come true.

When building a dream we also are building an opportunity that brings the people, the residents, the children and the elders together in one place to play, to laugh and to watch each other during a period of the year when most of the people stay at home and watch television. The commitment shown by the people of the community to bring this project is a recognition that health, activity and leisure time by the residents of Fort McPherson will have the opportunity in this facility to spend time together and play together.

Mr. Speaker, Fort McPherson will now have an opportunity to compete locally, regionally and territorially, and be able to travel to the regional playdowns, the territorial playdowns, and possibly to the Brier. Mr. Speaker, opportunities such as this can only come with the efforts shown by the government, the people in the communities, and the people in this House to make the dreams of small communities a reality. Mr. Speaker, along with the people and residents of Fort McPherson, I would like to thank the Honourable Manitok Thompson , the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, for showing that she does have faith in the small communities, and also to make those dreams become a reality.

In closing, Mr. Speaker, I would like to congratulate the community of Fort McPherson on the opening of this facility and wish them all happiness and good health and good curling. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 83-13(7): Opening Of Fort Mcpherson Curling Rink

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Steen .

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Member's Statement 84-13(7): Appreciation Of Colleagues' Support

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank all the Members that put their trust and faith in me as a Cabinet Minister. I appreciate that I was up against some good Members and I must say that, on a third try, it is good to be able to say that you have succeeded. Mr. Speaker, I would like to say that my constituents at home, I am sure' are just as appreciative of the fact that I am here in Cabinet as I am, and they appreciate the Members putting their trust in me as a representative of my region, now as a representative of the territory through Cabinet.

I assure the Members and I assured Cabinet earlier, I will do whatever I have to do to cooperate with the Premier and with the Members to assure that we advance as a new territory. Thank you.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 84-13(7): Appreciation Of Colleagues' Support

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .

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Member's Statement 85-13(7): Congratulations To Cabinet Members-elect

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to take this opportunity to also congratulate Mr. Miltenberger and Mr. Steen on their election to Cabinet. I would like to thank the Members who voted for me, who said they would vote for me and did. I would also like to thank Mr. Steen for indicating that he was successful on his third try because that indicates to me that perhaps there still is some hope. This was my second try. Perhaps there is still some hope, if I am re-elected, of getting on the Cabinet next fall.

At this time, I would also like to thank Mr. Todd and Mr. Arlooktoo for the work that they have done on Cabinet and for serving in this Legislature. I know that both of you have always been very forthright when I came to you and spoke to you about projects or programs that I was trying to getting some assistance on for Yellowknife, Detah or Ndilo. I appreciate that and wish you all the luck in the future. Thank you.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 85-13(7): Congratulations To Cabinet Members-elect

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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Member's Statement 86-13(7): Congratulations To Cabinet Members-elect And New Commissioner

Item 3: Members' Statements

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I would like to start my Member's statement by congratulating Mr. Steen and Mr. Miltenberger in their victory for a Cabinet position. I am positive they will represent our government in a fair and equitable manner for the government of the entire Western Territory.

I am also pleased to congratulate Dan Marion for his recent appointment to the Office of Commissioner of the Northwest Territories. Mr. Marion brings many years of experience and knowledge of the north to this position. Over the years that I have known Mr. Marion he is always there for the community. Mr. Marion has served as mayor, as hamlet councillor, community service board member, and many other organizations within the community, as well as throughout the Western Territory. He is a man of compassion, a family man that works hard for his family and community. I feel that he will make our new territory proud.

Once again, congratulations to Mr. Steen , Mr. Miltenberger and Mr. Marion. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Henry .

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Member's Statement 87-13(7): Congratulations To Incoming And Outgoing Cabinet Members

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to take a couple of moments, too, to congratulate Mr. Steen and Mr. Miltenberger on their selection to represent this government as Cabinet Ministers from April 1. Congratulations to both of you. I would also like to say thank you on behalf of my constituents in Yellowknife South to Mr. Todd and Mr. Arlooktoo , serving as Ministers of this government. I think you have done an extremely good job. Mr. Speaker, Mr. Todd has spoken in this House suggesting that he is probably going to have a little rest from politics. Mr.

Speaker, it probably will be a short rest, and those that believe Mr. Todd is finished in politics probably still believe in Santa Claus and the tooth fairy. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 87-13(7): Congratulations To Incoming And Outgoing Cabinet Members

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Henry .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

--Applause

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, I would also like to recognize two grade 8 classes from the Mildred Hall School here in Yellowknife. They are students who will be in our trial run, Mr. Speaker, for the Territorial Youth Assembly to be held in April, and then the Territorial Assembly will be held in May. This is a new education program we are starting here at the Legislative Assembly. I want to welcome those students and teachers here today.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it gives me honour to recognize a hard worker of this Legislature, one of the researchers, Mr. Doug Pon, who I worked with in the Resource Management and Development Committee.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. For those that have not been recognized, including some of the staff, welcome to the Assembly.

--Applause

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Question 49-13(7): Land Claim Agreements Implementation

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Constitutional Affairs, Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as Minister responsible for Aboriginal Affairs , we do work in the whole area of implementing the claims that have been negotiated, the land claims through the comprehensive Land Claims Agreements and yes, we are as a government a signatory to the agreement and we have an implementation committee consisting of the Government of the Northwest Territories along with the federal government and the claimant groups. For example, the Gwich'in Nation are also a claimant

group so they are also part of it, so like the Innuvialuit have similar arrangements along with the Dene, Metis from the Sahtu; so, yes, we are a third party to these Land Claims Agreements and the agreements are such that if anything is going to happen to the claims, then all the three parties have to be included. So, I do not think there is any danger of any changes at all to the agreements as they have been signed today. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regard to the de Weerdt decision, he made reference that the Charter of Rights basically does not fall in line with the rights that flow from

section 25 and

section 35 of the Canadian Constitution.

Section 35 is the

section that the Land Claims Agreements flow through, but also it recognizes the distinct right of aboriginal people to establish certain regimes through their Land Claim Agreements. I would like to ask the Premier , in regard to Justice de Weerdt's decision, of considering the Charter of Rights over and above the constitutionally protected rights of aboriginal people under

section 35...

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. I have to rule the question out of order. The Member is seeking a legal opinion of the Minister, which is not allowed. Would you like to rephrase your question, Mr. Krutko ?

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Premier tell me if they have considered the implications of the de Weerdt decision in regard to the aboriginal land claim protection rights that flow from

section 35 and the rights that all Canadians have under the Charter of Rights. Have you considered the implications of this decision on the aboriginal people that do have land claims under

section 35?

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the government did not look into that specific area that the honourable Member is making reference to. We are setting a course of action as a government in Bill 15 to try and find a political solution, but all these highly technical questions, I am going to have to take it as advisement and direct our legal assistant, our lawyers, to look at the questions and see what the connection is here. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Mr. Premier . Can the Premier give some thought to, in reviewing this, of considering a constitutional expert who does have a constitutional background in regard to considering implications of the de Weerdt decision and also the question of the Charter of Rights for aboriginal people under

section 35? Will the Premier give me assurances that he will consider a constitutional expert in this field?

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Samuel Gargan

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, we are seeking some help in the constitutional expert area and we will get back to the Member on that. Thank you.

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Question 50-13(7): Yellowknife Office Space Plan

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My subject today will be in the area of a question for Mr. Roland , the Minister of Transportation and Public Works and Services . It is with respect to the Yellowknife Office Space Rationalization Plan, Mr. Speaker. For some time I have been trying to track this down and to get some answers from the government as to what they are doing with regard to the Office Space Rationalization Plan in Yellowknife.

By way of background, Mr. Speaker, you will recall that at one time the Lahm Ridge Tower was to be eliminated and when that was put back on the list to be included in the Yellowknife Office Space Rationalization Plan to be retained, then it became the Laing Building that was to be eliminated. Just two months ago the government changed its mind again and decided that they would keep the Laing Building. Mr. Speaker, this is going full circle and I need an answer, when are we going to get a copy of the Office Space Rationalization Plan in Yellowknife? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will try and answer Mr. Ootes 's concern. Mr. Speaker, when I took over the portfolio of Public Works and Services, I was aware that the Office Space Plan for Yellowknife was a concern of Mr. Ootes , as well as the committee. We have looked into this matter, no decision has been made as to the specific building Mr. Ootes brings up. I have committed to the committee and I have written a letter, I believe it should be in the hands of the committee, as to setting up a meeting when we can do a specific briefing regarding the Office Space Plan for Yellowknife. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I hope the committee is going to meet sooner than some other committees that are

supposed to be meeting in this House. In any event, I will leave that subject, but my question, further question to this, Mr. Speaker, is the decision made that the Laing Building be retained and be refurbished and I understand with substantial sums of money, so, what is the problem with getting the Office Space Rationalization Plan before us? I would like to ask the Minister, when will I have an answer to my question, when am I going to get the Office Space Rationalization Plan? Thank you.

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Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Office Space Plan, as Mr. Ootes brings up as I stated, I have written to the committee, he is a Member of that committee, when they set a date I said I would gladly have the department and myself ready for them to do this briefing. As everybody knows, the Office Space Plan is just that, it is a plan. I believe they have the original plan in place, I believe that has been given to the committee in the past.

I have looked at it and as for a decision made on any buildings and money committed to it, well, the budget has not been passed yet so there is no money in this existing year's budget for the refurbishing, as Mr. Ootes called it, for the Laing Building. That is yet to be decided as to where we go and that is one of the reasons I would like to meet with the committee on that issue. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I hate to be contradictory, but it was announced some months ago that the Laing Building was going to be retained and in order to retain it money was going to be spent on it. Additionally, yes, it is true the Minister has promised to brief the committee on this, but I have been asking for the Office Space Rationalization Plan outside of a committee briefing. I have not yet also received the original Office Space Plan which we always requested. So, I guess my question is, of the Minister, has the Laing Building definitely been included to be retained by this government? Will the Laing Building definitely be retained by this government? Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I cannot give the Member the definite answer he would like. That is an option yet that has to go through the committee stage, as well as to Cabinet. If I choose and the Cabinet supports the direction for either keeping the building or to let it go, that decision is yet to be made so I cannot tell the Member today, yes or no to his specific question. As I said earlier, I am looking for input from the committee as to where the direction goes.

The original plan that was in place, which looked at the sale of the building and moving departments into other office space in Yellowknife has been put on hold because the plan that was put out and the tenders that were put out had come back to the department and have been shown not to be feasible at this present time as they were existing.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister tell us why the Laing Building sale was not feasible? Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. One of the reasons that comes to mind when we refer specifically to the Laing Building was the results back from the tender showed that it was uneconomical to sell it for the prices that were submitted and we had to look at other options that were available to us. That is what I instructed the department to do and we have not finalized that yet. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the honourable Member, Mr. Kakfwi , Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development . Mr. Speaker, in today's statement the Minister talked about the National Wildlife Week, April 4-10th. In his statement, and I quote, "the Protected Area Strategy will help us maintain wildlife habitat by protecting wilderness and important traditional harvesting areas." Mr. Speaker, I would like to support the government's excellent position in this regard.

I have also spoken in this House about the government's need to create an environment so that jobs can be created for the population of the Northwest Territories and we have been well represented by these people in the gallery today. I talked, Mr. Speaker, about the need for business to have a good voice into the strategy. I was wondering if the Minister could give the House an update on the voice of business at this particular strategy and some assurances that it is being well represented there to create the jobs and the environment for job creation in the future. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In the beginning of 1998, on request from the federal government to take the lead in developing the Protected Area Strategy, this government convened a conference in Inuvik that asked the aboriginal leaders from the western Arctic to set out a process which they would support that would have involvement from the

governments, federal, territorial as well as the aboriginal organizations, and in turn the process would allow for the involvement of stakeholders such as environmental groups and industry and members from the business community of the north. An advisory committee was established that allowed for input from the major stakeholders as well as the other groups that I have mentioned.

We have completed a Protected Area Strategy which has been approved for submission by this government on behalf of all the aboriginal organizations and the stakeholders involved to the federal government. It has been forwarded to the federal government at this time, as I said, with the full support of all the people that were involved in the process. Thank you.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank the Minister for the response. The Minister mentioned that the strategy has been prepared and has been forwarded to the federal ministry. My question to the Minister is, he had mentioned that all parties were in agreement with it, if I could have assurances that the business input did have agreement to the forwarding of this proposal to the federal government I would appreciate it, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my information is that, aside from the South Slave Metis Tribal Council, who at the 11th hour decided because of their

interpretation of certain wording to no longer support the strategy, all parties, all aboriginal organizations, including the environmental groups, the representatives of business and from industry, are in support of this strategy. Thank you.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister advise me when the strategy that has been forwarded to the federal government will be available for public review with maps of the areas that are protected? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We are hoping the federal government will indicate its support, hopefully with the appropriate commitment to fund this strategy as soon as possible. I will take the last part of the Member's question as notice as I am not privy to that information at this time. Thank you.

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Question 52-13(7): Clarification On Aurora Fund Issues Strategy

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe my question may be directed to the Premier , however, I appreciate it if he has to refer to another Member. It is with regard to the Aurora Fund. My question, Mr. Speaker, is that I would like to start getting some clarification on this whole area, because to be quite honest I have been left with the impression that I do not know how much has been invested in this fund. I do not know how much has been received for this fund. It has been difficult for me to interpret this whole area. What I would like to know to start with, Mr.

Speaker, is who will be taking over as chairman of the board or organization that heads this, that Mr. Todd has been chair of. Who will be taking his position? Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, whoever is assigned the Ministry of Finance will be taking over as the chair of the Aurora Fund. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wonder it the Premier can also undertake to commit to me to provide within the next ten days, before April 13, 1999, a listing of all of the monies received for this fund, all of the monies that have been invested, and the amount of money invested in each organization that has been awarded to various organizations in this territory? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have to take this question under advisement. I need to get some clarification about the Aurora Fund on the limits of providing the type of information that the honourable Member is asking for and I will get back to him as quickly as I can. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Additionally, I wonder if the Minister could provide me with a list of the board members and a list of all those individuals who have worked on the Aurora Fund? Thank you.

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Nahendeh

Yes, thank you. We will get the information that the honourable Member is asking for in regard to who are the board members and who are the employees involved in the Aurora Fund. Thank you.

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Question 53-13(7): Diamond Training Programs

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . Mr. Speaker, recently this government approved Sirius Diamonds for a training program. I am not sure if there were other items that were approved to assist them in their efforts to open a cutting and polishing facility here in Yellowknife. They had a diamond training course in Victoria and I have been led to believe that there was not one aboriginal selected on that course. I have a very, very difficult time understanding how this could be done when we are paying for that.

I would like the Minister to indicate if what I am hearing is true, that there were no aboriginal people selected to go on this training course in Victoria?

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Sirius Diamonds is supported through a training on-the-job-program to provide training to people in the diamond industry. Although I do not have any figures with me in the House, Mr. Speaker, I believe, the Members is correct and there are no aboriginal trainees in the program at present. If I remember the situation correctly, Mr. Speaker, and if I am wrong I will make sure to correct this with the Member, I do not believe that Sirius had any program applicants who were aboriginal. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Mr. Speaker, if that is the case, if there were no aboriginal people involved, then I do not think we can give serious consideration to any further ongoing financial commitment to these people. What I would like to know is do we have an ongoing financial commitment to Sirius Diamonds for further on-the-job-training, whether it is for these same people or for new people?

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the program will be ongoing for the existing trainees who are all northern residents. I believe a commitment has been made for a second intake, so the existing trainees will qualify for ongoing support and I do believe, Mr. Speaker, that there will be a second program offered.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Mr. Speaker, the Minister has indicated that there would be a second intake. I am assuming he is meeting with the same Sirius Diamonds people.

I would like to have a commitment from the Minister that a certain percentage of those training dollars should be allocated for aboriginal trainees because I do not think we should give one dime to these guys if they are not going to make a serious effort to ensure that the aboriginal people who comprise 50 percent or thereabouts of the western population, if they are not going to make a serious commitment to one half of the population in the western NWT, then why should we bother providing them with any money? We have all kinds of diamond companies lining up to open up their business here. Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the commitment I will make is that the department will work with Sirius Diamonds and all other companies to ensure that we do get a representative workforce in the diamond industry in the Northwest Territories. We were hoping that with the second intake being planned for residents in Yellowknife, there will be a greater opportunity for us to encourage northern aboriginal people to apply.

It is also important to note that the courses offered by Aurora College are being taken advantage of by many aboriginal people. So, we are hoping that some of the graduates from the Aurora College course will find jobs in the secondary diamond industry with Sirius or any one of the other approved diamond projects. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am certainly glad to hear that we are going to train only northerners. I do not think we want to be training someone that just jumped off the plane, has been here for one day and signs up, but what I would like to know is, can we make a commitment that a certain percentage of these people will be aboriginal northerners, since we do make up 48 percent or thereabouts of the population in the western NWT? It does not have to be that high, but can there be a commitment that at least a certain percentage of that money will be for northern aboriginal people? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will look at what sorts of limitations there might be on training-on-the-job programs and advise the Member.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister of Public Works . It is in regard to his department and the whole aspect of contracts and how contracts are let go. Mr. Speaker, my question to the Minister is, is there a policy in place in regard to individuals or a group of individuals who may owe money to this government or have outstanding bills or whatnot with this government, from being able to bid on negotiated contracts, sole source contracts or public tenders?

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The Minister of Public Works and Services , Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, at this time I am not aware of any rules that are in place if a construction company was owing funds to this government if they would be prohibited from bidding on any contracts that are open to the public. I would have to check on the specifics to get back to the Member. If he has a specific area of concern, I would gladly meet with the Member to try and address his concern and see what can be done about it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is more in line with the concerns that you have from employees or people who have worked for different contractors who have not been paid or who have had contracts with this government and who have not fulfilled them. There are a lot of concerns out there from people who have worked for certain contractors who may have moved south, but then were left with not being paid their wages for working for these individuals.

I would like to ask the Minister also, is there a certain outstanding amount of money that is owed to this government by funds which are used for training individuals on certain projects that contractors may have taken on, on behalf of this government.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In the area of funds being owed to this government, if they are to another department, I would have to look into that to see what kind of a relationship there would be. I know, for example, if it is to do with a contractor or if there is money being claimed against a contractor that is working for the government or has a government contract, there would be built into the contract on withholding a certain amount of dollars that could be put towards it, but that is on a specific project if they are working in that area.

I am unfamiliar right now and I will have to get back to the Member, as I said earlier, on the specifics. If he had some concerns that I could address with him later on, possibly after we rise, to get the specifics to see what area he is looking at. As it refers from one department to another, I am not sure if there are any agreements in place on withholding on public contracts are open to the public. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 55-13(7): Pay Equity For Excluded Employees

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question will be for the Premier . Last week, I asked in this House from the Minister of Finance on the issue of equal pay benefits for excluded employees. At that time the Minister stated that he would consult with his Cabinet colleagues to see if they could extend the deadline to consider equal pay settlements for the excluded employees. Mr. Speaker, I have five more letters that I have received from librarians who are lumped in with wildlife officers into one classification code.

The Minister explained last week that they would not be receiving benefits, or at least in letters it was explained they would not be receiving benefits, because they are in that classification code.

Now my question for the Premier is, the Minister of Finance agreed to consult his Cabinet colleagues and have some idea by today as to whether the deadline for these employees could be extended for consideration. Could the Minister tell us, the Premier tell us, if that meeting took place and if it will be extended? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the honourable Member asked about whether the Minister of Finance consulted us and if he extended the deadline to the excluded employees who were caught in the situation and I would like to respond by saying that this will be the responsibility of the Finance Minister and we will wait until that assignment is done here, hopefully in the next couple of days. We still have until the end of the month to look at this and make any necessary changes if we have to. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It makes it very difficult for people that are out there to get some answer on this. Mr. Speaker, in one of the letters, and I can only paraphrase what I know, and that is that they did not even know or were not even aware of the possibility of being provided with equal pay benefits. I think we have a bit of a situation on our hands that

needs to be addressed. I had hoped that Cabinet would have addressed this issue by now. My question for the Premier is, will he, with all due respect, extend the deadline so there is fair treatment for those people out there who feel they have not been treated fairly in considering equal pay benefits?

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Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the situation here, we are caught in one of the situations here, when we are doing a transition here, but I will try to get the information and clarification as soon as I can and I will try to get back to the Member as soon as I can. This transition period here, once the new Finance Minister is assigned, we will immediately, first duty would be to try and get some clarification on this very important question. Thank you.

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Thank you. Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate the Premier 's interest in addressing this issue. Would he also commit to immediately e-mailing the employees that may be affected by this so that they understand what the decision on this may be? Also there is the concern, what about the excluded employees that are no longer employees of this government? My question is how does he intent to address the issue for them? Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We will address these issues as soon as we have a new Minister of Finance and we will try to clarify the situation for the affected employees and try to get the decision known as quickly as we can to the people who are affected here. Thank you.

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Question 56-13(7): Aboriginal Employment Opportunities

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to follow up to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent , with some questions my colleague, Mr. Erasmus , was asking today regarding employment opportunities for aboriginal people in the Sirius Diamonds Agreement and Mr. Dent 's department. My question to the Minister is, were there any employment expectations put on the funding agreement between Sirius Diamonds and the Department of Education, Culture and Employment? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Yellowknife Frame Lake

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I accept the Minister, of course, would not get into the details, but there are some fundamental things that I think the Minister should be aware of and if he is not, I would suggest that it is important to be aware of them. This government had an agreement with BHP Diamonds, who we gave no money to. There were conditions put on them regarding the hiring of northerners and aboriginal people.

There was money given to Sirius Diamonds and my question, is the government being consistent in its policies regarding one organization having to employ northerners and aboriginal people and then another one who is getting money from this government with no conditions? That is my reason for asking. Are there no conditions put on funding to organizations having to employ northerners or aboriginal people or both, Mr. Speaker? Thank you.

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Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I have stated previously, I do not know whether or not there is that stipulation on training on the job contracts. I would doubt that there is. I should point out that in our agreement with BHP, it is a voluntary agreement. It is not one that we can enforce and we are in the same situation with other employers. I have no doubt this government and my department encouraged Sirius Diamonds to do their utmost to employ northern aboriginal people, as well as other northerners, because this government does want to see a representative workforce. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just a final question to the Minister. Will the Minister make available to the Members of this Legislature a copy of the agreement between Sirius Diamonds and the Government of the Northwest Territories so we can compare if the government is being consistent with their requirements of industry? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am not certain those contracts are public documents. I will have to look into that. In any case, since it is a contract between a private company it may not be entirely open for perusal, but there may be some way which we could black out certain portions of the contract to allow Members access to it. We will see whether or not that can be done. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I was finished until the Minister gave me his response. Mr. Speaker, the agreement between BHP Diamonds and this government is available to Members of this House. My question again to the Minister is, the document between Sirius Diamonds and the Government of the Northwest Territories is public money that is spent and I would ask the Minister again, will he make that document available to Members of this House? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There is a big difference. One is a contract document, one is not. When this government has a contract, like a lease, the details of those leases are not made public, as Mr. Henry knows. We may or may not be able to make a contract available to Members of this House on the training on the job program, but I will say again, the agreement with BHP is not a contractual one. Thank you, Mr. Speaker

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Oral questions. Mr. Krutko

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Question 57-13(7): Negotiated Contracts Benefits

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 159

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . As we all know, the economic situation in the Inuvik region is in dire straits and not as plentiful in regard to job creation and economic opportunities like some other regions, but I would like to ask the Minister, especially one of the methods we have been using in the negotiating contract process is to ensure we get as much economic opportunities and benefits out of these negotiated contracts to stimulate not only the community, but the region as a whole.

Especially when it comes down to employment opportunities for the Inuvik region and communities and also the opportunities for the local suppliers who have made it their business to establish business in the Inuvik region to supply goods and services to this government. Mr. Speaker, my question to the Minister is, what is this department doing to ensure that the maximum benefits from negotiated contracts are perceived in the local and regional level in the Mackenzie Delta?

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my department does not have any direct involvement in negotiated contracts such as the one the Member refers to. As a sponsoring department, we are responsible for funding a contract like the new school in Fort McPherson, Aklavik, or in Tsiigehtchic. However, Mr. Speaker, the details of negotiating the economic impact and benefits from a contract to build one of those buildings would fall under the mandate of the Department of Public Works. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The funds will be coming from the Department of Education. That is why I want to ensure that the department allows those funds to flow directly to the communities and the regions when it comes to development of infrastructure for the department. I would like to ask the Minister who, at the end of the day, will have to make the final decision on exactly what process is being used. Can I get some commitment from the Minister that he will consider the different aspects of the regional economy and also employment opportunities when making that decision?

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Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The process for the negotiated contracts is that the contract itself is negotiated by the Department of Public Works and Services so, I cannot make any commitment as Minister of Education . My department provides the money from the budget to build the school or learning center, but we are not responsible for determining the final contract arrangements. That, Mr. Speaker, is decided by the Department of Public Works and has to come back to Cabinet and meet the criteria that have been established for negotiated contracts. If it does, Cabinet will usually support it.

Certainly economic benefit for the community and the region is considered by Cabinet. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am glad to hear the Minister state that economic development for the communities and region is one of the priorities, but I would like to make it clear to the Minister that I feel it should be the only priority that you consider when you allow any major development or construction of infrastructure for the Department of Education. I would like to ask the Minister again, will he consider ensuring that there will be maximum benefits and opportunities for the communities and

the region in any such projects in regard to construction of infrastructure for the Department of Education?

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