Debates of Aug. 21st, 2007

This is page numbers 451 - 494 of the Hansard for the 15th Assembly, 6th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was work .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Speaker's Ruling

Prevention Services

Supports For Persons With Disabilities

Sidedoor Youth Centre Skateboard Ministry

Positive Working Relations In The Tlicho Region

Delivery Of Social Housing Programs By Local Authorities

Federal Infrastructure Projects In Canada's Far North

Support For Front-line Addictions Workers

Regional Wellness Centre For Sahtu Region

Deh Cho Bridge Project

Poor Condition Of Highway No. 3

GNWT Caribou Management Practices

Condolences To The Gargan And Teasdale Families

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 6: Acknowledgements

Regional Wellness Centre In The Sahtu

Condition Of Highway No. 3

Status Of Staff Housing Initiative In Behchoko

Caribou Management Issues

Sidedoor Proposal For Youth Programming

Deh Cho Bridge Project

Funding For Non-government Organizations

Deep Sea Port And Military Training Facility In Western Arctic

Deh Cho Bridge Project

Construction Of Seniors' Housing Unit In Fort Resolution

Great Bear River Bridge Project

Mr. Ramsay's Reply

Revert To Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Mr. Dent's Reply

Committee Report 5-15(6): Report On The Review Of Bill 6, Workers' Compensation Act

Motion To Receive Committee Report 5-15(6) And Move Into Committee Of The Whole

Tabled Document 55-15(6): Annual Report On The Activities Of The Rental Office, January 1 - December 31, 2006

Tabled Document 56-15(6): 2006-2007 Annual Report Of The Legal Services Board

Tabled Document 57-15(6): Package Of Information Pertaining To Safer Communities And Neighbourhoods Legislation

Tabled Document 58-15(6): Take A Kid Trapping Program Report 2005-2007

Appointment Of Sole Adjudicators

Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Amend Clause 124 Of Bill 15, Liquor Act

Amend Clause 12 Of Bill 6, Workers' Compensation Act

Amend Clause 56 Of Bill 6, Workers' Compensation Act

Amend Clause 65 Of Bill 6, Workers' Compensation Act

Amend Clause 96 Of Bill 6, Workers' Compensation Act

Amend Clause 115 Of Bill 6, Workers' Compensation Act

Amend Clause 118 Of Bill 6, Workers' Compensation Act

Amend Clause 120 Of Bill 6, Workers' Compensation Act

Amend Clause 128 Of Bill 6, Workers' Compensation Act

Item 21: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Bill 18: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 2, 2007-2008

Item 23: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Brendan Bell , Mr. Braden , Honourable Paul Delorey , Honourable Charles Dent , Mrs. Groenewegen , Honourable Joe Handley , Mr. Hawkins , Honourable David Krutko , Mr. Lafferty , Ms. Lee , Hon. Michael McLeod , Mr. McLeod, Hon. Kevin Menicoche , Mr. Pokiak , Mr. Ramsay , Honourable Floyd Roland , Mr. Villeneuve , Mr. Yakeleya

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---Prayer

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Speaker's Ruling

Item 1: Prayer

Page 451

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Good afternoon, colleagues. Before we begin, yesterday in the House, the Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins , tabled a number of documents dealing with a land dispute between two residents of the Northwest Territories and the Government of the Northwest Territories.

Article 43 of the rules of the Legislative Assembly permits a Member to table "any document which is required to be tabled in the House by any act or order of the Assembly, or which may be in the public interest." On initial review of the documents tabled, and there are many, I am not yet satisfied that they meet the test laid out in

article 43 of the rules. It would appear that much of the correspondence is between two parties to a specific land dispute and the responsible government agencies. I am not satisfied that all the correspondence tabled was intended to be public in nature by the respective authors. In order to ensure the protection of those individuals who are not able to protect themselves in this House, I am ruling Tabled Document 52-15(6) out of order until such time as I can conduct a thorough and complete review of the matter. Members should refrain from referencing these documents in the House until such time as I have made a final ruling on the matter. Thank you, Members.

Orders of the day. Ministers' statements. The honourable Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board, Mr. Krutko .

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Minister's Statement 35-15(6): Prevention Services

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Workers' Compensation Board recently redefined its mission to reflect not only its duty to care for injured workers, but also its commitment to the promotion of workplace safety. We need not only simply care for workers once they have been injured; it is equally important to help northern workers prevent those injuries from happening in the first place. The WCB will continue to stress the importance of prevention as part of workplace safety, striving to reduce injuries and suffering as a result of workplace incidents.

To further show its commitment to prevention, and in response to its stakeholders, the WCB recently made changes to its organizational structure. As of July 3, 2007, the mine and industrial safety units, formerly housed separately under NWT and Nunavut operations, are now part of the new prevention services unit, reporting to a common vice-president.

WCB safety officers and inspectors will continue to be responsible for helping to keep northerners safe by ensuring compliance with the Mine Health and Safety Act and Industrial Safety Act. The goal of the division is still to reduce workplace injuries and promote workplace safety. The new protection services unit will now share their knowledge, experience and resources.

The WCB will continue to help northerners build a safer culture that includes a strong emphasis on prevention. Through safety education and training, and dedication to the well-being of the clients it serves, the WCB continues to work toward making the North a safer place to live and work. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 35-15(6): Prevention Services

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Ministers' statements. Members' statements. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Supports For Persons With Disabilities

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I want to talk about some good news and some still outstanding issues regarding program services and support for persons with disabilities.

First, the good news. I was pleased to participate in an event to mark the start of the demolition of the Dene K'onia Young Offenders building recently in Hay River. It was only good news because the removal will allow the construction of a new assisted living complex in Hay River.

For many years, we have talked about the need to keep northerners who require assisted living in our communities and in the North. These new facilities will provide for that opportunity as well as repatriate northerners currently living in southern placements. I would like to thank Minister Roland for his commitment to this valuable initiative and his support for locating it in Hay River. We look forward to the details for the programming for permanent residents and day program clients.

I have previously spoken in the House about the office which was opened last year by the Committee for Persons with Disabilities in Hay River. This summer saw the start of our first summer day camp program for persons with disabilities and we look forward to more of this programming. Thanks to the many participants and contributors to our first summer day camp. I welcomed the news from the Minister of Human Resources that a position within the department is now dedicated to ensuring diversity in the workplace of the GNWT. Current affirmative action policy supports the inclusion of persons

with disabilities who self-identify with priority hiring status during the competition process. The Minister further clarified that a person with a disability had been hired by Human Resources in Hay River on a casual basis. I would like to see more positions created that would encourage participation of persons with disabilities to be involved and supported in work placements.

We are still awaiting progress on the barrier-free access to our medical clinic. We are also looking forward to modifications to the public use washrooms in our hospitals that would make them safe and usable by persons with disabilities. The height of toilets, wide enough doorways, properly positioned handrails and room for help from an attendant in the washrooms are very reasonable expectations, especially in a public health facility.

I appreciated the exercise this summer when some of our health care providers assessed our community infrastructure by getting in a wheelchair and experiencing firsthand the good aspects and the challenges that would be experienced by persons with disabilities.

In follow-up, Mr. Speaker...I would like to seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Supports For Persons With Disabilities

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude her statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You may conclude your statement, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Supports For Persons With Disabilities

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, colleagues. Mr. Speaker, in follow-up to something Mr. Hawkins raised yesterday regarding a constituent who was unable to work and care for a family member, along that same vein, this government must do more to accommodate employees who are caring for family members with disabilities. More discretionary latitude must be given to managers to make allowances in schedules to consider the possibility of work that could be performed from home to accommodate these employees.

It's difficult to quantify the value to the family's stability and the real savings to this government when we can do a little to accommodate as opposed to incurring the cost of full-time care, institutional care and when Members are willing and capable of taking care of family members with disabilities.

Mr. Speaker, later today I will have questions about our government's policy surrounding accommodation of employees who are caregivers for family members with disabilities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Supports For Persons With Disabilities

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Sidedoor Youth Centre Skateboard Ministry

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to speak today in support of the new program called The Rock Skateboard Ministry established by the SideDoor Youth Ministry. Mr. Speaker, this program currently has the youth of Yellowknife at the arena for the summer months and want to run this program year round. They are looking to secure a portion of the government warehouse building to continue this ministry and are asking for this government's and city council for support.

Mr. Speaker, they have already had a very good response to the program with over 350 youth attending the King of Kings "Revolution Tour" skate demo held between April 27th and 28th. This event was able to draw five professional skateboarders from across the U.S. and Canada.

The SideDoor has now contracted with the King of Kings to supply a professional skateboarder for the summer months and they look forward to a mutually beneficial and longstanding relationship with them. They feel that having this calibre of athletes and well-established organizations supporting this ministry in its grassroots stage is a true blessing and they wish to have role models like this year round to connect with the youth. These riders have made lasting impressions in the lives of the youth they have connected with in the short time they've been here.

Mr. Speaker, consistent numbers of 40 to 50 youth have attended The Rock since it has been open during the best outdoor skate weather Yellowknife has, confirming the youth's desire for an indoor program. This is in spite of having to have the ramps removed periodically for other community events going on in the arena and a difficulty in communicating the return of the ramp with the youth.

Mr. Speaker, what's really good about this program is the numbers seem to be growing from word of mouth on the street. With a set location and consistent days and times, they can only see these numbers increase. Their goal is to provide the youth of Yellowknife a mentored environment with healthy boundaries and limits set in an atmosphere of nurturing and acceptance. This program would continue to provide role models to reflect what it means to be a good person, with a long-term focus on helping the youth of our community reach their highest potential and encourage spiritual development and character.

Mr. Speaker, over the years, I have been a strong supporter of many grassroots programs in Yellowknife and two in particular. One is the program at the SideDoor. Mr. Speaker, I would like to seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Sidedoor Youth Centre Skateboard Ministry

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude her statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You may conclude your statement, Ms. Lee .

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Sidedoor Youth Centre Skateboard Ministry

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have supported two programs in particular; one is the SideDoor program and the other is the COPs program. Mr. Speaker, I believe strongly the real work and real difference can only be made by governments working and supporting the grassroots organizations and programs like these from the bottom up, rather than introducing a solution from top to bottom. In my opinion, the government has not done enough to support these initiatives and I urge the Minister of Justice and the Minister responsible for Youth to work with its partners and put some real money and support behind it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Sidedoor Youth Centre Skateboard Ministry

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Monfwi, Mr. Lafferty .

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Positive Working Relations In The Tlicho Region

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jackson Lafferty

North Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. (Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I will make a statement regarding working together within the government. Today is a celebration that our government in our territory, the Tlicho Government, and the territorial government and the agency is celebrating today. (Translation ends)

...territorial government, Tlicho Government and the Tlicho Community Services Agency. We are working as a remarkable accomplishment building upon our positive working relations during this last leg of our session.

Mr. Speaker, first let me highlight how we got here. A skidoo journey throughout the Tlicho region back in April was the first initiative to build a positive working relationship with the GNWT and Tlicho Government. The purpose of the trip was to get the Ministers and senior staff to familiarize themselves with the trails of our ancestors in the Tlicho region and how we travelled from community to community. Because of this, they would have a better idea of the Tlicho way of life when I speak in the House, Mr. Speaker.

Secondly, there was a government-to-government, GNWT and Tlicho, meeting in Wekweeti back in June. The two parties were going through some tough times dealing with some very critical issues they were faced with. Their mission: they needed to compromise, cooperate and work collectively. They achieved that goal, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, thirdly, we had the privilege of having our Commissioner, Ministers, MLAs and MP go on a canoe journey just last month during the Dene National Assembly in Behchoko. This is an annual event where youth, elders and community members join in on the journey, some from as far away as Wekweeti, that takes up to 10 days to paddle, Mr. Speaker. It is an ideal time for the elders to tell old stories, stories of the river, stories of the land, grave markers and so on, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, finally, just yesterday again we saw three levels of government cooperate and collaborate for the good of the people. The territorial government was struggling with the school expansion project in Gameti, a challenge we've been having for the past two years. Mr. Speaker, may I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement?

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Positive Working Relations In The Tlicho Region

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 453

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You may conclude your statement, Mr. Lafferty .

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Positive Working Relations In The Tlicho Region

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jackson Lafferty

North Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mahsi, colleagues. Mr. Speaker, the Tlicho Government and the community government decided to pitch in and invest in this important project. After numerous calls, e-mails and making errands across the hallway, both parties agreed to proceed with the project. The end result: a true partnership and driven initiative. All parties contributed. The high school in Gameti will finally become a reality.

---Applause

Mr. Speaker, to conclude, I would like to thank the Cabinet Members, my fellow colleagues around the table here for their generous support....

---Applause

...and consideration during our heated deliberations. I would especially like to thank the Tlicho Government for their commitment in building a positive working relationship with GNWT as a whole. This is a great day for the Gameti students, parents and elders. Mahsi.

---Applause

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Positive Working Relations In The Tlicho Region

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Villeneuve .

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Delivery Of Social Housing Programs By Local Authorities

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I use my Member's statement to talk about some of the housing delivery issues and how the delivery of the housing pertains to this government's new approach to program delivery, especially with the new income security model.

Mr. Speaker, the income security model has clearly stated that monitoring, evaluation and reporting are vital operational elements in order for this program to be successful and is based on the best available data, evidence and analysis of program recipients. I can only hope that this accountability process is diligently enforced and acted upon should there be changes required for future delivery and program success. Just as important, Mr.

Speaker, the delivery of our social housing by our LHOs should also be diligently monitored, evaluated and reported by the NWT Housing Corporation's regional offices to ensure fairness of delivery and transparency of spending our public dollars on social housing that will ensure that those most in need of social housing can receive assistance as soon as possible.

I can easily point out many situations in many communities, Mr. Speaker, especially here in Yellowknife and all of the other smaller communities, where LHOs continue to provide social housing to clients who are not in need. Many public housing clients have new vehicles, new boats, quads, skidoos and RVs parked around their social housing units and have never provided the LHOs with accurate information on the present circumstances related to their income or options that may be available to them through family support networks. This is the monitoring I am talking about, Mr. Speaker.

This government has to regain responsibility of our public dollars we provide to our LHOs to operate the public housing sector of our society so that we do not see more families, like the mother of six camping at Fred Henne Park, who are in dire need of social housing left out in the cold, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

---Applause

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Delivery Of Social Housing Programs By Local Authorities

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Pokiak .

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Federal Infrastructure Projects In Canada's Far North

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Calvin Pokiak

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Right Honourable Prime Minister Stephen Harper visited Nunavut to announce the deepwater port. During his visit to Nunavut, he made two announcements for a deepwater port in Nanisivik, Nunavut, and the military training base in Resolute Bay, Nunavut.

Mr. Speaker, it is encouraging to see the federal government is concerned about the Northwest Passage and Canada's claim for the Far North. It appears that the fellow government will move forward with a deepwater port and military training centre because of this announcement. However, Mr. Speaker, it is unfortunate the Prime Minister did not consider establishing a deepwater port for military training as well in the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, a logical location by the deepwater port for a military training facility would be Tuktoyaktuk, as Tuktoyaktuk already serves as a major transportation centre for the Canadian Coast Guard and NTCL operations. With regard to a military training facility, Tuktoyaktuk would also be an appropriate location because we have the facilities available to accommodate over 200 personnel at two camps located at Tuktoyaktuk.

Mr. Speaker, although the announcements made by the Prime Minister establishes a deepwater port and military training facility in Nunavut, I would like this government to lobby, on behalf of the Beaufort and the Northwest Territories, to request the federal government to reconsider establishing a deepwater port for military training facility in Tuktoyaktuk or Sachs Harbour, Northwest Territories. First, by establishing a deepwater port or a military training facility, it will bring economic and business opportunities to the Beaufort-Delta.

In closing, this will enable the Beaufort-Delta residents not to rely on the oil and gas activities presently taking place. This will bring much needed long-term employment and business to the region. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Pokiak . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. McLeod.

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Support For Front-line Addictions Workers

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we talked about our concerns with addictions across the Northwest Territories. We have studies on addictions across the Northwest Territories. We have people, Mr. Speaker, who work the front lines. They not only talk about all of these concerns, but they want to do something about it. They are hard working and caring people who do their job 24/7, Mr. Speaker, because they care about the clients they serve. They do this, for the most part, very cheaply. We have board members who are volunteers who do it for nothing.

It came to my attention, Mr. Speaker, last night as we went through the budget process. We go through the supplementary appropriation process, and I see all of this money that is thrown around, Mr. Speaker. I see thousands of dollars on a trip to China and yet we make these people who work the front lines, they scratch, claw and beg for every nickel they can get. It just doesn't make sense, Mr. Speaker. They have enough on their plate with the work that they do to worry about where their next dollar is coming from. The transition house in Inuvik is always having to wait for their funding.

The Inuvik Interagency Committee ran out of funding. They can't operate anymore and now they are trying to access the community capacity building fund just so they can keep going. Family Counselling Centre closed after 23 years because they couldn't compete with what the government was paying out. They couldn't compete with it, so they had to close their doors after 23 years of providing a service for Inuvik. Mr. Speaker, these front-line workers work in the trenches and they not only talk about doing something about problems with addictions, but they want to go and charge these problems head on. What do we do?

We arm them with a squirt gun to go charge the problems.

Mr. Speaker, it is time that we took a serious look at how we do business here. It is time that we put our money where our mouth is and not just talk about these problems across the NWT and pay thousands of dollars to tell us about these problems for the NWT. We have to support the NGOs who provide a valuable service because they care about the well-being of the residents of the Northwest Territories. It is about time that we did, too. Thank you.

---Applause

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Support For Front-line Addictions Workers

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Members' statements. The honourable Member for the Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Regional Wellness Centre For Sahtu Region

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, several months or weeks ago, I heard the federal government make an announcement on the patient wait guarantee time in Canada. I was quite delighted to hear about this, Mr. Speaker. I wasn't too sure how the

interpretation was going to be interpreted or how it was to be translated into our region. The way I looked at it is this region here I am talking about is the Sahtu region. Patients are guaranteed to wait for health services, Mr. Speaker. Patient wait guarantee time for us. We are asking again in terms of like the highway, in terms of other issues that we are looking at this government to start planning a regional wellness centre like any regional centres they have in the Northwest Territories. Put it high on their priority, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, our region here is being left out so many times that it is ludicrous when we go into a community like Tulita when we see the health centre where they have a sign that says Inuvik Regional Health Authority. Now, Mr. Speaker, three years ago the Sahtu assumed the authority of its own health services, yet they still haven't changed that sign on the health centre, so we are far back. Some people call us the catch-up region, catch up on this and catch up on that. We always seem to be catching up on things, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I ask that this government look at putting this agenda in terms of a regional wellness centre into our region. We deserve the same programs and services as other regions in the Northwest Territories. It is time to get

it out of the medieval times of health care in the Sahtu and bring it up to modern standards like what kind of services they have in other regions in the Northwest Territories and put some real dollars and real cents and really look at the people in the hearts and the eyes in the Sahtu region and say you are no different than any other people in the other regions that deserve health care. Tell that to my people first and then start putting things into action. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 455

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Deh Cho Bridge Project

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 455

David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to speak again today about the Deh Cho Bridge and how it is that the government is marching full speed ahead on a project that continues to have more questions than answers.

Yesterday, I questioned the Premier on why the government has not provided proof to Members of the House, stakeholders and to the public, on how the proposed Deh Cho Bridge would impact the cost of living in Yellowknife and the North Slave region. Mr. Speaker, all I want is proof. Why can't anyone show me evidence or proof that for $150 million and $6.75 a tonne, this project would not adversely affect the cost of living here.

During my tenure here in this House, the cost of living has remained one of the biggest issues in all of our constituencies. Why would the government put in a piece of public infrastructure that would add to the cost of living for over half of our residents? There remains no proof or no evidence to the contrary, Mr. Speaker. That is why I am standing here again today questioning why this bridge is such a priority. If the Premier is so confident that the bridge would not increase costs, why hasn't he shown us? Is that too much to ask? The bridge project would have seemed a good fit, Mr.

Speaker, for a thorough analysis by our new macroeconomic policy shop. I wonder what they would have said. I guess we will never know; or perhaps someday we will go down the road when every government for the next 35 years will be putting $2 million extra into this bridge. Perhaps somebody, Mr. Speaker, will figure it out.

The cost of the bridge has gone from 60 to 70 million dollars to what will be well over $150 million, yet the Premier and government have not come back to Regular Members to see if, based on supporting evidence, we could support it. The fact of the matter is, Mr. Speaker, based on what many of us have seen or not seen on this side of the House and with no federal funding, a free vote by Members of this House would clearly show the majority of Members would not support this project as it has been rolled out.

There is currently a statement of claim in the Supreme Court of the Northwest Territories against the Deh Cho Bridge Corporation. Of course, Mr. Speaker, I can't talk about specifics of that claim, but what I want to get a handle on is the potential liability to the GNWT through this action. Mr. Speaker, it makes me wonder what other liabilities exist in our future negotiations.

Mr. Speaker, I will have questions for the Premier at the appropriate time. I do thank him for my invitation to the ceremony in Fort Providence on Friday. Mahsi.

---Laughter

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 455

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Poor Condition Of Highway No. 3

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 455

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am hearing from RVers and others who have been bottoming out on the Highway No. 3's dips and ruts. My concerns are twofold. Firstly, this is a newly paved road. I don't think we should be experiencing these kinds of problems so soon after completion. Secondly, I am concerned about what is being done to our tourism industry image. RVers are in contact with each other about facilities and road conditions. It is a huge community, Mr. Speaker. We would do well to pay attention to their concerns. The Japanese are being turned away from Canada and they are looking elsewhere for vacations.

Can we afford to turn away the RVers too? I am concerned about the poor highway conditions of Highway No. 3 between Yellowknife and Behchoko. I don't accept climate change as the excuse that they keep flogging. The same climate conditions happen on both sides of Behchoko on Highway No. 3, but I am not sure what they are doing about it because the answers addressing the dips seem to be dipless or foolish.

Mr. Speaker, ITI document Tourism 2010 mentions the need to provide world-class services if the NWT wants to move forward by tracking a vibrant tourist community. The older RV group is becoming an increasingly dominant group of tourists. They form what ITI calls the general touring group. They spent over $6 million in the NWT in 2004 and 2005. More and more baby boomers are retiring and taking that lifelong dream of travelling all around Canada. This is a booming industry. However, with the cost of fuel and the condition of Highway No. 3, Mr. Speaker, what are we doing to attract them? Mr.

Speaker, I am not sure I am prepared to turn away $6 million of tourism revenue, new money for opportunity for northern businesses or tourism operators. I would certainly hope that the Minister of Transportation would feel the same.

Mr. Speaker, a year ago we had the launch of what was called the completion of Highway No. 3. I certainly hope no one had a little sign out there that said mission accomplished, because we are going to have to go back and airbrush that photo because this highway needs a lot more work. We need a plan to start fixing it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 455

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Braden .

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GNWT Caribou Management Practices

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 455

Bill Braden

Great Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. In January of this year, along with many other territorial leaders and wildlife

professionals and outfitters, I attended the most successful Caribou Summit in Inuvik hosted by the former Minister of Environment and Natural Resources . There was a strong sense of a need for urgent collective action in the face of substantially declining caribou herds in the NWT, the Yukon and Nunavut.

Mr. Speaker, caribou is an absolutely essential part of the lifestyle, economy and the livelihoods of people here in the NWT, all northerners who have come to rely on this remarkable natural resource.

Prompted by this, the Minister undertook a number of prompt and dramatic actions. One of them was to bring a request before this Assembly to I believe almost double our budget for surveying caribou herds this year to over $800,000 and that was readily accepted by this Assembly. The Minister also took prompt and dramatic action to cut allocations to caribou sport hunting outfitters, Mr. Speaker, reducing the allocation by almost half this year to 750 and half again next year to some 350 tags in total.

Mr. Speaker, the government also promptly, dramatically and unfortunately locked horns with the Wekweezhii Resource Management Board by going into some very unknown and confusing territory and frustrating dispute over jurisdiction, Mr. Speaker, based on the Tlicho land claim, that put our government at odds with the Tlicho over who is responsible for management of this resource in Tlicho land.

Mr. Speaker, the survival of caribou is a paramount issue across the North and all of our communities. It is also a real source of cash and opportunity in our tourism industry. I am going to be asking some very carefully worded questions for the Minister of ENR later today. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 456

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden . Members' statements. The honourable Member for the Deh Cho , Mr. McLeod.

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Condolences To The Gargan And Teasdale Families

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 456

Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, it is with great sadness that I rise to mark the passing of two members of the same family from my home town of Fort Providence. Elise Gargan and her daughter, Rose-Marie Teasdale, or Rosa as she is better known in Fort Providence, passed away within a week of each other in July of this year. Elise Gargan was 81 years old. She was born in 1926. Her daughter Rosa was 61. Elise was married to Baptiste Gargan. During her long life, she gave birth to 17 children.

The couple lived a very traditional life, hunting, fishing and trapping along the Mackenzie River and more specifically lived around the Redknife River area. In their later years, along with their children, they moved to the community of Fort Providence so their children could attend school.

Rosa lived most of her life in Fort Providence and also lived in the community of Pine Point. She had four children: Ricky, Barb, Bobby and Colleen. My condolences go out to all of them and also to her partner, Morris Nadli. Mr. Speaker, both of these women will be greatly missed by the Gargan and Teasdale families, by their many friends and by the community that they were such a big part of. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 456

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Members' statements. Returns to oral questions. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 456

Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a number of visitors I would like to recognize. First, two teachers from St. Joe's who are spending part of their summer holiday to visit us. I don't think we could see from this side, but it is my constituent Rosemarie Critch and her friend Linda Nickerson.

---Applause

I would also like to recognize my family, my mother-in-law who is visiting from England, Peggy Radcliffe; my brother-in-law, Steve Radcliffe, and my other half, Mr. Dave Radcliffe, who is also a teacher.

---Applause

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Page 456

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 456

David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize all of the visitors in the gallery today. In particular, I have a constituent, Mr. Allen Hartman, with the Department of Transportation. Welcome, Allen. Also a former co-worker at the former Department of ED&T, Mr. Glen Abernethy. Welcome.

---Applause

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Page 456

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Recognition of visitors in the gallery. If we have missed anyone in the gallery today, welcome to the House. I hope you're enjoying the proceedings. It's always nice to have an audience here. Acknowledgements. The honourable Member for Monfwi, Mr. Lafferty .

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Item 6: Acknowledgements

Item 6: Acknowledgements

Page 456

Jackson Lafferty

North Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, on June 26, 2007, the Tlicho Community Services Agency was once again recognized for their innovative management, this time internationally. They were recognized by the 7th Global Forum in Vienna, Austria. Mr. Speaker, we were honoured and privileged to have attended the celebration in Austria. Members who joined the journey were myself; Mr. Charles Dent from ECE; Alphonse Nitsiza, the chair of the Tlicho Community Services Agency; Joseph Mackenzie, vice-chair; and Anna Beals, the director of Health and Social Services. Mr.

Speaker, I would like to recognize the Tlicho Community Services Agency staff and board members for their contribution and commitment to make this happen. Without them this would not have been a reality. Mahsi cho.

---Applause

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Page 456

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Acknowledgements. Oral questions. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 161-15(6): Regional Wellness Centre In The Sahtu

Item 7: Oral Questions

Page 457

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Roland . In terms of the Sahtu's wish to...I don't know how you interpret the patient wait time guarantee in terms of what does it take in terms of our board, our community here, communities in the Sahtu, to look at the possibility of having a regional wellness centre in the planning stages of the upcoming government in terms of we want to have regional wellness centres?

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Item 7: Oral Questions

Page 457

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Minister responsible for Health and Social Services , Mr. Roland .

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Question 161-15(6): Regional Wellness Centre In The Sahtu

Item 7: Oral Questions

Page 457

Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there are a couple of items there. One, although the Member's had a play on words with the patient wait times guarantee process we've set up with the federal government, our goal is to get nurses into our smaller communities through our community health nurse initiative. That's ongoing and that's targeted at the front line where people in our communities don't have doctors, so that they can see the nurse in there and making sure those are fully operational.

The other area the Member is speaking about is a regional facility as the Sahtu area is taking on more and more responsibility. The Sahtu now has the Sahtu Health and Social Services Authority and the department is working with them on a master development plan as well as community development plans. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 7: Oral Questions

Page 457

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 161-15(6): Regional Wellness Centre In The Sahtu

Item 7: Oral Questions

Page 457

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, would the department look at an initiative brought by the Sahtu leadership in terms of looking at a P3 model in terms of helping out with this government? We want to be part of the government. Would something like that be feasible by this government to look at a P3 model in terms of building a regional wellness centre?

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Item 7: Oral Questions

Page 457

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Mr. Roland.

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Item 7: Oral Questions

Page 457

Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, before we can look at a proposal, we have to work with the Sahtu Health and Social Services Authority on that master development plan and look at the infrastructure we have in the region, then at that point decide if further steps need to be taken, then look at how we can build that into our plan as a department and requesting funds from this Assembly. Thank you.

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Page 457

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Item 7: Oral Questions

Page 457

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, some of the responses from the other Ministers in terms of the work that we want to do in the Sahtu, we want to ask this Minister what would it take for them, for this department to say this is urgent, this is a need that needs to be happening right away in the Sahtu in terms of establishing a wellness centre? What does it take from the Sahtu people to say we want something like the Deh Cho, something in the South Slave, something they can...(inaudible)...to say we want a regional wellness centre, also? What will it take, Mr. Speaker?

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, first and foremost it would take having a master development plan agreed with between the Sahtu Health and Social Services Authority and the Department of Health and Social Services. That would be a starting point. Thank you.

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Page 457

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Your final supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Page 457

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in light of that, getting the process in place with the department and the Sahtu regional health board, would the Minister look at committing to put together a feasibility study in terms of looking at a regional wellness centre and putting that on the agenda with the next government?

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I can't speak for the next government but on our process as we're working, we are working, from a department level, with all of the authorities and we continue to review our development plans. We have a master development plan with every group that looks at community infrastructure and regional infrastructure.

So first things first is we need to get agreement on a master development plan with the Sahtu Health and Social Services Authority which would take into consideration the population served and the facilities they have at their disposal for providing programs and services to residents. So that would be the first part. Once we have that, then we can, as I stated earlier, as a department if that priority comes through, is bring it forward in our departmental plans and then bring forward a plan that would require the approval of the Assembly. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 162-15(6): Condition Of Highway No. 3

Item 7: Oral Questions

Page 457

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I highlighted in my Member's statement today, there are a

lot of concerns, as I see it and RVers see it coming to Yellowknife, with that Highway No. 3. Mr. Speaker, some sections are very good; I'll say that for a fact. But some sections are very less good let me tell you, Mr. Speaker...

---Laughter

Mr. Speaker, that highway cost us approximately $200 million and I'd say that's probably $200 million well spent on a dust control program but not a highway, Mr. Speaker. So, Mr. Speaker, I'd like to know, has the Minister of Transportation done any work in finding out what it will cost to fix those dips in that highway? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 162-15(6): Condition Of Highway No. 3

Item 7: Oral Questions

Page 458

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Minister responsible for Transportation , Mr. Menicoche .

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Transportation takes concerns raised by the travelling public very seriously.

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Hear! Hear!

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

The concerns raised on Highway No. 3 have been raised by the chief of Behchoko as well as the MLA...

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An Hon. Member

Numerous times.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

...numerous times and I just have to remind the Member, as well, that the Government of the Northwest Territories has invested millions of dollars over the past many years and the highway is now wider, straighter and safer overall. We continue to monitor any major concerns and we'll address them as such, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Well, Mr. Speaker, the Minister of Transportation reads that script very well. I almost believe him. But I didn't. So, Mr. Speaker, the fact is the warranty of this project seems to have gone by the wayside. I'd like to know was there a warranty in place or did we get a second-rate job at a second-rate price? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. The department takes great pride in all its projects. We complete them to the best of our ability and we will continue to do so. We pride the contractors that work for our department as well. The Member did mention that climate change is affecting the highway and we do maintain that, as well, Mr. Speaker. There are many, many ice lenses that were discovered during construction and we continue to repair those and mitigate them as conditions dictate. Mahsi.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate the Minister with his very thorough answer on the lenses and climate change problem, but it's interesting because on one side of Behchoko, the side that Yellowknife is on, the highway goes up and down like a roller coaster and the other side between Behchoko and Fort Providence is relatively smooth; it's a great quality highway. So, Mr. Speaker, maybe the Minister of Transportation can enlighten this House on why our side of Highway No. 3 is in such poor condition in reference to why the other side is in so much better condition. Can he help me with that? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Mr. Speaker...

---Laughter

...the Member's asking for enlightenment and I'll try my best to do that.

---Laughter

He's got to remember that the new Highway No. 3, there were some major realignments which means we had to cross some new sections; some of them had these ice lenses in them. So that's what's causing the slumping and erosion that's going on to this date, Mr. Speaker. Also, because it's a fairly new highway, it will take about seven to 10 years it's estimated for it to settle and maintain that solid base. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . Final supplementary, Mr. Hawkins .

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I think all through this we've missed the answer of how we're going to fix this and how we're going to deal with it. We're going to hear just sit and wait, but we just had a mission accomplished or a big celebration last year. Well, Mr. Speaker, yes, it was a great celebration that it sort of got done, but when are we going to actually go back and just finish the job? So how much is it going to cost to fix and when are we going to get started on that? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Our Chipseal Program is something that we monitor. There is a five-year cycle for it; it takes about five years for the chipseal...It does deteriorate. We do have an annual budget to address this on Highway No. 3. that's about $650,000 to $700,000. The first sections that were done on Highway No. 3 were about five years ago and we're addressing those right now, Mr. Speaker. Mahsi.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . Oral questions. The honourable Member for Monfwi, Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 163-15(6): Status Of Staff Housing Initiative In Behchoko

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Jackson Lafferty

North Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. (Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to talk about the transfers of some positions to the Tlicho region. I'm not sure when this will happen. I'm talking about the staff housing. We're still not sure about what's happening with that so I'd like to ask the Premier a question. (Translation ends)

I raised an issue on the North Slave staff being transferred to Behchoko, the soon-to-be headquarters for the Tlicho region. Mr. Speaker, today I'd like to focus on a staff housing initiative that the Executive department is currently undertaking. The question is to the Premier . Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Premier for the current status of the proposed staff housing in Behchoko for all of these new GNWT employees who are supposed to be transferred. Where are they at with their discussion and plan? Mahsi.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Premier , Mr. Handley .

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The regional director has been dealing with this issue; he has been looking at which staff positions can be transferred, the availability of staff housing and the availability of office space. Mr. Speaker, I don't have an up-to-date report on exactly where that's at. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jackson Lafferty

North Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my next question was to get into detailed questions, but I can probably wait. The next question I have is the Tlicho Government continues in effect as in all two years ago. It is imperative that the GNWT respects the self-governance of the Tlicho people. How soon can we anticipate the building of this staff housing? Mahsi.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We are continuing to build houses in all of the regions through the affordable housing initiative. We don't build housing specifically for staff but we're building affordable housing that people can either rent...We also build public housing that people could continue to rent. Mr. Speaker, I can give the breakdown of where we are with the whole North Slave and possibly by community. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jackson Lafferty

North Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, would these staff houses I'm referring to, those GNWT North Slave regional office being transferred to our region, specifically under staff housing, has the Department of the Executive been working with the Tlicho Community Services Agency? Are they working with the Behchoko Development Corporation, the community government of Behchoko? Where are they with that? I understand the regional director is working on it but I'd just like to get a feeling of how far we're at with that. Mahsi.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am sure that the regional director is working with the Behchoko leadership on this one. I'm not sure exactly what the Member is asking. When it comes to housing, then, yes, we definitely are working through the local housing authority, community services agency and also with the Behchoko government on that. Mr. Speaker, there are a number of units going into each of the communities. In Behchoko there are 33 units that will be going in there over the next couple of years. On office space, I'm not sure of any specific discussions that are happening on that front. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley . Final supplementary, Mr. Lafferty .

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Jackson Lafferty

North Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yes, on the office space and also the accommodation for the staff that would be transferred to the community, I'm sure they will be needing some accommodations instead of commuting back and forth. As my colleague highlighted, the road is in bad shape so I don't think they will be commuting back and forth. Mr. Speaker, my final question to the Premier is, when could you provide that information to myself so I can sit down with my chiefs and move forward with this? Mahsi.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, I will undertake to have a report, an update to the Member, before the end of the month from the regional director on where we're at with the discussions on the transfer of positions, the creation of more job opportunities in Behchoko. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a couple of carefully crafted questions for Mr. McLeod, the Minister for Environment and Natural Resources . It concerns the very high profile debates and work that has gone, so far, into the plight of our caribou herds and our role as stewards of the caribou to see what we can do to better manage them. Mr. Speaker, we got into a jurisdictional dispute between our government and the Wekeezhii Renewable Resources Board over who has jurisdiction for allocating tags and harvest levels in Tlicho land. My question is, will the GNWT recognize the Wekeezhii board's claim to jurisdiction in allocating caribou harvest in the Tlicho region? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden . The honourable Minister responsible for Environment and Natural Resources , Mr. McLeod.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank the Member for his carefully crafted question and I'll craft my answers accordingly. Mr. Speaker, we work with all aboriginal groups, all aboriginal governments and we respect and abide by all the land claim settlements and all the agreements that are out there, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Mr. Speaker, $800,000 was allocated by this Assembly for additional work to conduct surveys to confirm, determine, and keep a much closer eye on the trends and circumstances that are affecting the health of the herd so we can make better management decisions. I would like to ask the Minister if he can advise, have those surveys been undertaken yet and what indicators, if any so far, are the caribou counters bringing back to us in terms of the health and the status of the herds? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we don't have the results of the surveys that have been conducted. Some of them are still ongoing. The ones that have been done haven't been compiled and been provided to me. So I don't have that information and we don't expect we'll have all the information compiled until sometime later this fall. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In Inuvik we participated in a number of workshops there over a couple of days. It was one of the more remarkable meetings that I've attended, Mr. Speaker, because of the unity and the consensus that was demonstrated there. Many, many different ideas and approaches were discussed about a very wide range of actions that could be undertaken by the GNWT, by aboriginal organizations, by hunters and trappers to help us do a better job of managing the resource. We talked about better education, better monitoring and reporting practices and, above all, collaborating. Mr. Speaker, I'd like to ask the Minister what other steps are we undertaking to do our

part in better managing the caribou herds? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden . Mr. McLeod.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There's been contact with all the different regions regarding the situation with the caribou herds in those specific areas. We've had action plans discussed with the different resource management groups and aboriginal governments. Some of the actions have been readily accepted, others we're still discussing on if there's better ways to do and implement some of these actions. Mr. Speaker, they're all at various stages and I certainly could provide that information to the Member if he wanted. It's quite a lengthy process and there's a lot of different actions. Some apply to some areas and others don't. So, Mr. Speaker, I'll have to commit to do that.

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Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final supplementary, Mr. Braden .

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thanks for the information. Mr. Speaker, given the high profile, the seriousness, the significance of caribou in our economy and our lifestyle up here, can the Minister advise is there a solid communications strategy in place that will be distributing this information and helping to inform everybody of the results and the steps as they are developed, Mr. Speaker?

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There are action plans that we're working jointly in the Beaufort-Delta and the Sahtu. There is still some concern in this area where we've made recommendations to the Wekeezhii board and we don't anticipate that we'll hear back from that board until the end of September, Mr. Speaker. Then certainly if our legal division has a review, we can provide what we can make public at that time, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Oral questions. The honourable Member from Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today my questions are in following up to the Member's statement I made about the proposal being put forward by the SideDoor in support of a program that would, I think, create another opportunity for the youth in the community to spend their time productively. Mr.

Speaker, I have to say that in my time as an MLA, I've had the good fortune of meeting and working with a lot of young people who are doing great things, a lot of positive things, taking full advantage of all the financial assistance and everything available to reach their potential, but we all know that there are youth who could use help with being in more productive places. We need to organize programs that are attractive to them and skateboarding seems to be something that is really attractive to young people. The SideDoor has a good program to do that.

They have already done a pilot program on this in April and they want to continue to do this. I know that they have already submitted a proposal to the government, through the Premier , and I'd like to ask either the Premier or any Minister responsible about where they are with this proposal. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable Premier , Mr. Handley .

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have taken this issue up with the Department of Public Works who are responsible for the government warehouse, which is the facility the ministry was interested in. I want to acknowledge first the good work that the ministry does with young people and the efforts they've made on this skateboard park idea and King of Kings competition that they're putting on. Mr. Speaker, it's all good work for young people.

Unfortunately, when we took a look at the government warehouse then, there were several issues; the primary one being just space. There just was not the space to be able to accommodate what they were wanting to do there. There were also issues that could have been overcome; things like security and safety and liability and insurance and so on. Those are all things we could resolve, but the problem was with space. Having said that, Mr. Speaker, we don't want to let this drop. I want to see if there are ways that we can encourage the city to make more space available. Mr.

Speaker, I just signed a letter to the proponents of this proposal just before noon saying that we would not be able to make space available in the warehouse. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm glad the Premier mentioned that because I checked with them prior to noon and at that time I was not aware that they had made a decision. So it was somehow criss-crossed in our communication. Regardless, I think this is a good issue that the SideDoor ministry is working on and it's something that the government and all municipal governments should look at; especially our city.

So I would like to ask the Premier if he would employ what resource is available in the government, whether it's somebody in the youth department or MACA, to see if there are any other options we can look to to implement this, The Rock program, because I think it's a very good program. Could he look into that for me? Thank you.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, we will take a look at it. As I said, it is a good program. I like what they're doing with young people. Mr. Speaker, I don't think the government warehouse is the only space. We do have other space in the GNWT. We might be able to look at something else or work out a deal with the city somehow. I don't know and without knowing too much about what's out there, you know, we have facilities out at the airport, we've got something that we would like to work with this group on. But, Mr. Speaker, unfortunately there's no easy answer to this one right now. Thank you.

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Without having had a chance to look at the letter I don't know how final it was, but listening to Mr. Premier I think that there might be a wee little tiny bit of room open there. So could I ask the Premier , could I take his answer to mean that he's encouraging his department to work with this group to see if there are any other avenues and perhaps he could commit to asking the MACA department to look at that further? Thank you.

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Joe Handley

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Mr. Speaker, yes, she can take my answer to mean that we will not let this one drop. We will see if there's another way of helping this group. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Handley . Oral questions. The honourable Member from Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. When I thanked the Premier for my invitation to the ceremony on Friday, that was my effort at humour and it's a good thing I'm not a stand-up comedian, Mr. Speaker, because it wasn't that great. I wanted to ask the Premier some questions today about the Deh Cho Bridge project again. Mr. Speaker, I, too, want to be able to stand up here and defend this project. I want to be able to stand by the government and say that this project makes sense, but it's much like the discussion we had in Committee of the Whole yesterday about the trip to China.

The government expects us to make decisions without giving us the information to make the decision with. The same is true with the Deh Cho Bridge, Mr. Speaker.

I want to ask the Premier , once again, how come there is no cost-benefit analysis on the Deh Cho bridge project based on the $150 million and the $6.75 per tonne? Mahsi.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm glad to hear the Member has a sense of humour and I certainly hopes he takes up the offer to come to the opening.

Mr. Speaker, I don't know what happened. I think the Member has convinced himself that there's some devious plan here and that the cost to consumers has gone up. Well, he's listening to himself too much.

---Laughter

Mr. Speaker, let me say again, let me say the cost to consumers, the cost to industry, is $6 a tonne based on 2002 dollars, or $6.75 per tonne. It doesn't matter what the total cost of the bridge is. That's how much it's going to cost those who use it. It's $6.75. It doesn't matter what the total cost is. Mr. Speaker, the balance is paid for by others. Let me explain that again. It's $6.75 a tonne to consumers. There was a report done by the co-op stores and others in 2002 saying this is a savings. That remains.

Mr. Speaker, the other money that goes into it, we, as a government, are putting the costs for operating the ferry and the costs for building and maintaining the ice road into the pool of money to pay for this bridge. That will go in annually. That is indexed, as is the $6.75.

Mr. Speaker, in addition to that, the federal government are putting a little bit of money right now through the Aboriginal Business Development Corporation. They are also considering the P3 money and we hope they provide that. In the event that they don't provide that, the government, out of our increased fiscal resources, are putting up to $2 million in to pay for our additional costs to balance it out. So this doesn't go directly on the backs of consumers. Mr. Speaker, how much is that $2 million worth?

Well, if you took 25,000 people living north of the river, then that's roughly $80 a person per year, but you can't do it that simply because there's also the benefit to the mines. So that $2 million could be argued it costs somebody something, but it's going to be marginal, Mr. Speaker, but that's the only piece that's in addition to what was there in 2002. It's still the $6 in 2002 dollars, Mr. Speaker. It's very simple. It's easy. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Yes, I thank the Premier for his economics lesson, Mr. Speaker, but the problem is, and the fact remains, that the last cost-benefit analysis that was done on the project was done in 2002 at 60 to 70 million dollars. The project has more than doubled in price. The totals were, at the time, $4.50 to $5 a tonne, that's what the cost benefit analysis was based on in 2002. Totals now are going to be $6.75 a tonne. All I'm asking, Mr. Speaker, is where is the evidence? If the Premier can stand up here today and say that that is in fact the truth, show us.

I haven't seen anything that would indicate that prices aren't going to increase here in Yellowknife. The reason why is because the government, now that the project has changed in scope, hasn't gone back out to the transportation companies, hasn't gone back out to industry, hasn't gone back out to the chambers of commerce, hasn't gone back out to the municipalities. That's why, Mr. Speaker. So where is the evidence? Where is the proof? Thank you.

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Joe Handley

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We don't have to go back to the trucking companies or the industry again. It's still the same amount as we said it was in 2002 indexed. So that $6 is now $6.75 or so. By the time the bridge is built in 2010 it will be something different. That's the same deal that was offered to the industry and trucking companies in 2002. It's still the same deal. Mr. Speaker, it's very simple. It's not hard to figure out.

What has the cost of the total project gone up? Well, there was a presentation done to the committee on it. I can give the Member another copy of it if he wants to take another look. If he wants to come to my office, I'll lead him through it. Mr. Speaker, if the whole committee wants to come to my office, I'll do it with the whole committee, but, Mr. Speaker, we know the cost has gone up. We also know that the population's gone up; we know that there are now soon to be three diamond mines operating north of the river; they've gone underground; they're using more fuel.

There's lots of reasons why or how there's going to be the dollars to pay for the bridge. There's more tonnage going over that bridge than we ever expected. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, going back five years, and I've been a Member of the House for four years and I've asked questions in the past about the Deh Cho Bridge project, the Deh Cho Bridge Corporation, how it was being funded by the government. You know, we stand here today and the project is over $150 million. Sure, they had to go through an environmental review of that project. That took a year. It has been almost five years since the inception of that Deh Cho Bridge Corporation that we're here today trying to make a decision on a bridge. So somebody has got to bear the responsibility for taking so long to get thi