Labour Standards Act, Health and Social Services — 11 May 1999 (13th Assembly, 7th Session, pp. 521–548)
1999-05-11, 13th Assembly 7th Session, pp. 521–548
Northwest Territories — Debates (Hansard)
Debates of May 11th, 1999
This is page numbers 521 - 548 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 7th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.
The word of the day was education .
Topics
Members Present
Item 1: Prayer
Community Wellness In Action
Equal Pay Tribunal To Be Held In Ottawa
National Children's Agenda
Environmental Liabilities Associated With Northern Development
Safety Concerns During Reconstruction Of Highway 3
Leaders Meeting To Discuss Highway 3 Reconstruction
Recent Comments By Cabinet Ministers Regarding Education Issues
Proposed Beryllium Mine At Thor Lake
Return To Oral Question 145-13(7): Thelon Game Sanctuary Management Plan
Environmental Impact Of Mining Developments
Equal Pay Tribunal Hearings
Transitional Compensation To Departing Ministers
Access To Down Payment Assistance Program
National Highway Strategy Meeting
Union Representation For NTPC Employees
Ministerial Severance Packages
Reducing Accidents On NWT Highways
Central Student Hiring Agency
Written Question 6-13(7): Renumeration And Benefits Of Cabinet Ministers
Tabled Document 46-13(7): Community Wellness In Action: 1997-98,
Summary Report Of Community Wellness Initiatives
Tabled Document 47-13(7): A National Children's Agenda: Developing A Shared Vision
Tabled Document 48-13(7): Attributes Of Librarians
Item 17: First Reading Of Bills
Bill 19:
An Act To Amend The Labour Standards Act
Bill 20: Municipal Statutes Amendment Act
Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills
Bill 19:
An Act To Amend The Labour Standards Act
Bill 20: Municipal Statutes Amendment Act
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Item 20: Report Of The Committee Of The Whole
Item 22: Orders Of The Day
Members Present
Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Erasmus , Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Honourable Michael Miltenberger , Mr. Morin , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Rabesca , Honourable Floyd Roland , Honourable Vince Steen .
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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.
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Item 1: Prayer
Item 1: Prayer
Page 521
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Good afternoon. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Roland .
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Minister's Statement 59-13(7): Community Wellness In Action
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 521
Floyd Roland
Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, later today I will be tabling Community Wellness in Action: 1997-98. Community Wellness in Action is published annually by the Department of Health and Social Services based on reports received from the communities. The report summarizes community wellness activities that took place at the community and regional level during the last fiscal year. This is the third year that the Department of Health and Social Services has produced this report.
The activities reported in Community Wellness in Action reflect priorities set by the communities themselves. In 1997-98, communities identified mental health and child development as priority areas. Many projects in the report were planned and delivered by community organizations and agencies to address those areas.
Community wellness funding in the Northwest Territories comes from a variety of sources. This year's report includes information on activities that were funded through a number of different programs including:
- Brighter Futures;
- the Canada Prenatal Nutrition Program;
- the Healthy Children Initiative;
- Aboriginal Head Start Initiative;
- AIDS Community Action Program; and
- the Community Action Program for Children
In 1997-98, these programs saw over $6.3 million invested in community wellness initiatives in the western NWT alone. While much of this funding originates from Health Canada, the success of our Community Wellness Initiatives depends on the work of many partners. These include:
- Health Canada;
- the Department of Education, Culture and Employment;
- regional and community health and social services boards;
- tribal, hamlet and band councils;
- community groups and non-government organizations; and
- the Department of Health and Social Services
Mr. Speaker, being healthy is about more than whether or not you are sick. You cannot measure health by just looking at the rates of illness in a community or region. You cannot tell how healthy people are only by looking at the kinds of treatment services available to them.
Being healthy means being able to prevent sickness and avoid the need for treatment. People and communities need to be able to address the root causes of individual and social illness. In 1986 the World Health Organization expanded its definition of health to include, "the ability to identify and realize aspirations, to satisfy needs and to change or cope with a changing environment." We can help Northerners become truly healthy by building their capacity to maintain wellness at the community and individual level.
Community wellness funding in the Northwest Territories builds capacity and helps individuals and communities develop their own wellness resources. Promoting health and preventing illness is an important goal for the Department of Health and Social Services. The Community Wellness Initiatives carried out across the North help us work toward that goal. Mr. Speaker, I would encourage all Members to review the report and support the Community Wellness Initiatives underway in their communities. Thank you.
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Minister's Statement 59-13(7): Community Wellness In Action
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 521
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent .
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Minister's Statement 60-13(7): Equal Pay Tribunal To Be Held In Ottawa
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 521
Charles Dent
Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. Mr. Speaker, last week the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal hearing the equal pay complaint filed by the Public Service Alliance of Canada against the Government of the Northwest Territories decided to hold its hearings primarily in Ottawa. This government is disappointed that the tribunal did not recognize the significance of holding a majority of the hearings in the North. That way, Mr. Speaker, the process would have been open to those most affected by the outcome, which as the tribunal acknowledges, is at least three years away.
Mr. Speaker, I am very disappointed that the tribunal has, in its decision, stated the federal government has a "supervisory responsibility" over the territories, and assumes that the federal government will pay for any award made. The NWT receives funding from the federal government through a formula that is similar to the equalization arrangement for the provinces. For the tribunal to make the assumption that the federal government will pay for any equal pay decision in the Northwest Territories is irresponsible unless they have a commitment from Finance Minister Martin that we are not aware of.
Further, to suggest that the Government of the Northwest Territories is simply an arm of the federal government is to deny decades of progress that has resulted in an independent, autonomous and responsible northern government.
The Government of the Northwest Territories spent considerable time and resources providing evidence to the tribunal concerning the importance of holding these hearings in the North. We asked the tribunal to allow us to call Northerners as witnesses to explain the importance of the tradition where hearings that affect Northerners are held in the North. Mr. Speaker, they refused to hear them. The tribunal's decision states that there is nothing to be gained by exploring the issue of bringing justice closer to the people. Further, they state that, according to the Public Service Alliance of Canada, the people most affected by and interested in this case are in Ottawa.
The Public Service Alliance of Canada and the Canadian Human Rights Commission both asked that the hearings be held primarily in Ottawa. The tribunal stated that convenience was a serious consideration in its decision. The Tribunal Registry, its staff, the PSAC and the Commission are all resident in Ottawa. By deciding to hold the hearings in Ottawa, the tribunal chose to ignore the fact that Government of the Northwest Territories documents, staff and ordinary witnesses are in the North. Obviously, whose convenience is most worthy of consideration depends on your point of view.
Mr. Speaker, Northerners have fought for decades to move decision making on northern matters from Ottawa to the North. The tribunal is ignoring this tradition. This decision allows for the opening and closing statements to be held in the North; however, the remainder of the hearings will take place in Ottawa. Given how long other tribunals have taken, we are probably talking about three weeks in the North and as long as five years in Ottawa.
Mr. Speaker, the Government of the Northwest Territories argued that an important part of educating the northern public on this issue is to ensure that the hearings are accessible to northern media. In response, the tribunal stated that the public interest in Canada will be better served by having the hearings in the national capital where it will be closer to the national press.
My understanding is that in most cases the hearing is held in the place that appears to be most substantially connected to the subject of the litigation. Given that the complaint was filed against the Government of the Northwest Territories on behalf of employees in the Northwest Territories, it is difficult to understand why the tribunal would consider holding these hearings anywhere other than in the Northwest Territories.
Mr. Speaker, over the next 30 days I will review this decision with officials to determine if we will seek a judicial review of the tribunal decision. I will update Members on any further developments. Mahsi.
--Applause
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Minister's Statement 60-13(7): Equal Pay Tribunal To Be Held In Ottawa
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 522
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Ministers' statements. Mr. Roland .
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Minister's Statement 61-13(7): National Children's Agenda
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 522
Floyd Roland
Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to inform the Members of this House that last Friday in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, the provinces and territories, in conjunction with the federal government, launched the National Children's Agenda.
The National Children's Agenda is an initiative that offers all Canadians the opportunity to determine priorities with respect to children. The agenda will support the critical and primary role that parents, families and communities play in the lives of children.
Federal, provincial and territorial governments worked together to identify key issues in the development of two publications that have just been released. The first is titled, "A National Children's Agenda - Developing a Shared Vision". There is also a supplementary document titled, "Measuring Child Well-Being and Monitoring Progress." Mr. Speaker, I will be tabling these documents in the House later today.
The vision documents are intended to guide a national consultation process to help frame social policies for children. National aboriginal organizations participated in the development of a special
chapter that addresses the specific issues affecting aboriginal children, including a perspective on children's issues written in their own voice.
The vision documents identify the following four goals for the National Children's Agenda; to ensure that Canada's children are:
- healthy physically and emotionally;
- safe and secure;
- successful at learning; and;
- socially engaged and responsible.
The launch of a public dialogue on a National Children's Agenda reflects the commitments made by governments in the Social Union Framework Agreement, to ensure that Canadians participate in developing social priorities and that governments share information on successes in their jurisdictions. Mr. Speaker, the Department of Health and Social Services will coordinate NWT participation in the consultation process for the NCA. The NCA documents will be sent to stakeholders and organizations. Residents of the NWT will also have opportunities to contribute through:
- a 1-800 number;
- a national website; and
- a national mailing address.
It is important that Northerners participate and provide input, particularly since 37 percent of the NWT population is under the age of 19 years as compared to the national average of 26.5 percent.
Mr. Speaker, the National Children's Agenda also coincides with work currently being undertaken in the NWT in relation to children and youth. In conjunction with the Department of Education, Culture and Employment, and my other colleagues in the social envelope, we are working to develop a Territorial Agenda for Children & Youth. The national initiative will complement this work. I encourage all NWT residents, both young and old, to take advantage of the consultation process for the NCA, to help create a shared vision of, and commitment to, a brighter future for our children. Thank you.
--Applause
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Minister's Statement 61-13(7): National Children's Agenda
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 523
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Krutko .
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Member's Statement 157-13(7): Environmental Liabilities Associated With Northern Development
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 523
David Krutko
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, one thing that we do not hear much of in this House and in the discussions that go on in the Northwest Territories, we seem to be discussing a lot in the area of development, diamonds, in consideration of opening up our resources. Mr. Speaker, the environment in the Northwest Territories is sensitive and must be viewed as such, in regard to the challenges that we face in the Northwest Territories compared to the rest of Canada and the world. But, Mr. Speaker, we have to consider those challenges such as tundra, permafrost, river systems that flow from high populous areas in the south and north to the Arctic Ocean.
But yet, Mr. Speaker, we have to learn from our past experiences that we have had in the Northwest Territories when it comes to development. Mr. Speaker, I am talking about issues such as the Cannol Trail which was built in the 1940s in regard to running a pipeline from Norman Wells to Whitehorse in the Yukon. Also, consideration of the Dew Line sites that basically spread across the Arctic from Alaska all the way to Greenland. Also, uranium mines which were developed during the 1940s on Great Bear Lake which is now becoming an issue with the people of Deline. In regard to those issues, Mr.
Speaker, we have to consider, how are we going to deal with abandoned mines such as Pine Point, for example, the arsenic problem that we have at Giant Mine and also the abandonment of camps on the tundra, the cause of the prospecting rush that took place. Also, the consideration of the increased mining claims in the Northwest Territories, the possibility of abandoned mines and exactly what the cost to this government is going to be in the long term.
Mr. Speaker, as aboriginal people in the North that live in unity with the environment, we have to realize that the environment is probably one of the most sensitive things that we can deal with at this time. Mr. Speaker, we have not had an opportunity to really look at the implications of the greenhouse effect that is presently underway and the effects it will have on permafrost in the Northwest Territories, from the experience on the east coast of Canada with the problem with their fishery and now we are seeing it in the west coast. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like unanimous consent to conclude my statement.
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Member's Statement 157-13(7): Environmental Liabilities Associated With Northern Development
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 523
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
The Member for Mackenzie Delta is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do I have any nays? Mr. Krutko , you have unanimous consent.
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Member's Statement 157-13(7): Environmental Liabilities Associated With Northern Development
Item 3: Members' Statements
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David Krutko
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In consideration of experiences elsewhere in Canada, such as the slaughter of the buffalo herd in the Prairie Provinces in the early 1800s, recognizing that this problem is not only unique to the buffalo. You look at our neighbours in the west in the Yukon where they are presently having to find ways to replenish the caribou herds in certain areas because of overhunting and overharvesting. I strongly believe, Mr. Speaker, that we must keep in mind that the environment and development has to work hand in hand, but also realizing we do have a sensitive environment in northern Canada. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .
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Member's Statement 158-13(7): Safety Concerns During Reconstruction Of Highway 3
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 523
James Rabesca
North Slave
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today, Mr. Speaker, as spring has now brought new opportunities, we also see ourselves driving a highway that is badly in need of repair. Every year we go through this and I hope this year the Department of Transportation will act in a prudent manner and get the equipment out to repair the last 75 kilometres of gravel highway left on Highway 3. As both ends of this
section of road between Rae and Yellowknife are now under construction, this leaves only approximately 75 kilometres of Highway 3 for the department to repair and maintain. I hope the department will work extra hard to ensure the safety and standard of this road is maintained to the premium it should be in.
This is the time of year when many people travel and with this road in its present condition, it is not only very dangerous to travellers, but also to the many people that hunt and walk along this road. So with that in mind, I hope the Department of Transportation will start to repair the last 75 kilometres of gravel road on Highway 3. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Member's Statement 158-13(7): Safety Concerns During Reconstruction Of Highway 3
Item 3: Members' Statements
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .
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Member's Statement 159-13(7): Leaders Meeting To Discuss Highway 3 Reconstruction
Item 3: Members' Statements
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Jake Ootes
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To follow up on the statement from the Member for North Slave on the highway, I would like to state that two weeks ago community leaders from Rae-Edzo, Yellowknife and the surrounding area met to discuss the upgrading and reconstruction of Highway 3 between our two communities. The meeting was co-chaired by Fred Behrens, Mayor of Rae-Edzo, Dave Lovell, Mayor of Yellowknife, and Grand Chief Joe Rabesca. In attendance were council members from Rae-Edzo and Yellowknife, the four chiefs of the North Slave region, the Yellowknife MLAs and the Minister of Transportation , the Honourable Mr.
Steen . In all, about 35 of us gathered in the Caucus room here at the Legislative Assembly
to discuss this important issue. It was a very productive meeting. Collectively, we all want the same thing; a safe and efficient highway system.
There is dissatisfaction that the reconstruction of Highway 3 is being scheduled over a ten year period which those at the meeting felt was too long and people stressed the need for fast-tracking this project. In the NWT the highway system is of major importance. It provides the most economical means to connecting our communities. It is vital to our tourism industry and it is the backbone to mineral and resource development. A review of the national and international highway studies confirms that investments in highways can generate significant productivity, growth and support economic development.
We are now awaiting word from the Minister on the results of his further meetings and the level of funding the federal government may commit to a possible National Highway Strategy. My opinion is that public safety is being compromised by not moving faster in upgrading Highway 3. Further meetings of leaders from the North Great Slave region are being planned. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Members' statements. Mrs. Groenewegen .
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Member's Statement 160-13(7): Recent Comments By Cabinet Ministers Regarding Education Issues
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 524
Jane Groenewegen
Hay River
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to, today in my Member's statement, take the opportunity to jog the memory of a couple of the Ministers on the other side of the House. I am not sure what happens when you get elected to Cabinet because I have never had that privilege, but something happens to their memories, I am afraid. I will refer to Mr. Miltenberger after, but as far as the remarks of Mr. Dent in the unedited Hansard from yesterday on page 843, Mr. Dent states, "We did not talk about the budget on Friday the 30th.
We could at least have started and done some consideration." I just want to remind Mr. Dent that, in fact, we did hear all of the Minister's opening remarks on the department on Friday, the 30th. Then, if he forgets the committee report, I thought it was quite memorable myself, but I was in the chair. He said we did not consider it, so I just wanted to remind him.
As far as Mr. Miltenberger 's comments yesterday in unedited Hansard, Mr. Miltenberger seems to have forgotten that any Ordinary Members ever thought that putting money into education was a priority of this government. I quote:
I sat on the committee up until recently on social programs. Nowhere in there is there indicated anywhere in my reading of this document right here of the need to move money to take money from other sources or other departments.
To that end I would like to remind Mr. Miltenberger of a motion that was, in fact, passed in this House on June 1, 1998. I am going to read the motion, if I may.
WHEREAS the Northwest Territories has the highest student-teacher ratio in Canada;
AND
WHEREAS teachers in the Northwest Territories are facing increasing challenges, including diverse and multi-grade classes, with fewer and inadequate resources;
AND
WHEREAS nearly one half of the students in the Northwest Territories require special supports in the classroom, and approximately half of these students receive them;
AND
WHEREAS the majority of Northwest Territories students who participated in the national School Achievement Indicators Program tests ranked below an acceptable level in most areas;
AND
WHEREAS there are 18,000 adults in the Northwest Territories who can be classified as illiterate, or semi-literate;
AND
WHEREAS most communities in the Northwest Territories do not have stable funding for Adult Basic Education with only 35 Northwest Territories communities having permanent adult educators;
AND
WHEREAS Adult Basic Education includes academic upgrading, pre-employment training, and personal skill development;
AND
WHEREAS alternative delivery approaches, supports for students, community involvement and accredit programs are necessary to achieve success in adult education;
Mr. Speaker, I am just about finished. I would like to seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.
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Member's Statement 160-13(7): Recent Comments By Cabinet Ministers Regarding Education Issues
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
The Member for Hay River is seeking unanimous consent to conclude her statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Mrs. Groenewegen , you have unanimous consent.
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Member's Statement 160-13(7): Recent Comments By Cabinet Ministers Regarding Education Issues
Item 3: Members' Statements
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Jane Groenewegen
Hay River
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
AND
WHEREAS most jurisdictions have been revising their curricula to place more emphasis on the core subject areas of reading, writing, mathematics and science; to return to more objective criteria and expectations; and to return to more traditional teaching methods;
AND
WHEREAS about 45 percent of new jobs created in this decade will require a minimum of 16 years of education;
AND
WHEREAS the Northwest Territories high school graduation rate is 25 percent of enrolment, while the national average is 68 percent;
NOW THEREFORE, I move seconded by the Honourable Member for Iqaluit, that the Legislative Assembly strongly recommends the Executive Council increase base funding to the Department of Education, Culture and Employment in the current 1998-99 fiscal year by the minimum of the 6 percent reduction that occurred over the past two years.
This is a motion passed in this House. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .
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Member's Statement 161-13(7): Proposed Beryllium Mine At Thor Lake
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 525
Roy Erasmus
Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to speak about the proposed beryllium mine at Thor Lake. Mr. Speaker, the proposed beryllium mine would mine some radioactive-like material and the idea is to bring the ore across Great Slave Lake and process it in a processing plant near Hay River. To do that there must be an environmental assessment report and the current environmental assessment is deficient. It must address concerns about human health, provide information on potential effects on fish and consult aboriginal groups about traditional knowledge. Mr.
Speaker, the project did not provide adequate information and one of its corporate partners is Royal Oak Mine, 40 percent, I might add, of it. Now, we all know that Royal Oak is now in receivership. I guess we can assume that the receiver is now 40 percent owner of this project. It is probable that the other owners will be looking for investors, but it must be known that most local people reviewing the proposal are opposed to it.
In opposition to the processing plant in Hay River, the Hay River First Nation spoke against it, the town of Hay River passed a motion against it, the MLA from Hay River also issued a statement against it. In relation to the total mine and the other project, the Dene Nation also spoke against that and businesses in the vicinity of the proposed mine site also spoke against it. The Yellowknives Dene First Nation actually said they want to see the file closed. Obviously the file cannot be closed as far as the federal government is concerned, so the environmental assessment will continue.
Highwood Resources wants to be given an opportunity to give more information that they did not provide the first time.
Mr. Speaker, it is safe to say that most say that most people in the NWT are not against orderly and safe development, but it is important for potential investors to realize that local people do not want this project to proceed. In fact, considering such high local opposition to the project, perhaps it might be appropriate to consider stopping the project now. Thank you.
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Member's Statement 161-13(7): Proposed Beryllium Mine At Thor Lake
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
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Return To Oral Question 145-13(7): Thelon Game Sanctuary Management Plan
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Page 525
Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Erasmus on April 28, 1999, regarding Thelon Game Sanctuary Management Plan.
The final draft of the Thelon Wildlife Sanctuary Management Plan has not yet been provided to the Government of the Northwest Territories. We anticipate receiving the final draft from the Government of Nunavut within the next six months.
It is my understanding, based on earlier drafts, that the plan will contain recommendations with regard to managing visitor activity in the sanctuary to ensure that visitor use is consistent with the conservation and wilderness values of the sanctuary. The plan will also recommend that Thelon Wildlife Sanctuary Management Authority be established as a vehicle to implement the management plan. If these recommendations are accepted by government, the management authority would advise government on issues such as permitting and access regulations needed to manage visitor activity.
This could include such things as establishing controls or restrictions on aircraft traffic. There will be an opportunity for further public input prior to any specific regulations being put in place, both through the Management Authority and directly to the responsible government agency. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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David Krutko
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regard to my opening statement, I would like to ask a few questions to the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development . It is concerning the amount of energy and resources this government is putting into the diamond industry, as well as consideration of the environment and protection of the environment when we consider funding such activities, and realizing that we do have a sensitive environment in northern Canada. I would like to ask the Minister exactly how do they deal with the environment component or concerns in northern Canada when they are dealing with a mining company?
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there is a process set up to receive proposals from the mining companies that propose to get into mining activity, mining production, here in the Northwest Territories, and they are primarily federal processes. In the case of BHP, there was a process set up by the federal government to review their application to get into diamond mining. With Diavik, another federal process was set up to review their application as well, and our government takes
part in these processes, primarily by advising the federal government and assisting in the review of the applications as a government. Thank you.
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David Krutko
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, one mine that comes to mind right away is the problem we see at Giant Mine, yet this government continues to put money into that project, and also there is the question of investing $2 million in the previous budget at that time. I raised concerns at that time about the question of liability of this government when it comes to dealing with concerns of environmental cleanups, ensuring that there are bonds in place to protect the public so when we do have a situation like we do with Giant Mine where we are looking at $200 million to clean up the arsenic in that mine.
Yet this government continues to invest in that mine and also consider human resources and energy to continue to put money into a mine yet, at the end of the day, the government is going to get stuck with the $200 million cost of the cleanup. So can the Minister tell me exactly how does he see that issue being worked out?
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the liability at Giant Mine is largely federal. The federal government, we believe, will assume liability for the $250 million estimated amount of liability with Giant Mine in the event that the owner is unable to cover that liability. The Government of the Northwest Territories is responsible for the surface reclamation and remedial work that would be required, estimated in the neighbourhood of perhaps under $10 million. It is true that we are working to find ways to keep Giant Mine operating, at least in the short term.
We know that the huge environmental liability, much of which has happened under previous governments from a time when environmental laws were not so stringent, and environmental knowledge was not yet of the state that it is in today. We are working on the Giant Mine issue, primarily to keep it going so that, while it is still possible to be productive and marginally profitable, we should continue that operation to protect the jobs that are at stake there.
In the meantime, we are also working to pressure the private sector or the federal government to address the environmental liability, that is the massive amounts of arsenic that are stored underground, to see if we can start to address some work and some resources towards perhaps starting a cleanup program of that. Thank you.
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David Krutko
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister tell me exactly where does he see the $10 million coming from for the cleanup of Giant Mine, and what plans are in place to get this cleanup started as soon as possible?
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this is just an estimate. We are not assuming that we are going to do it. We have the view that the private sector should be still interested in Giant Mine as a property, as an operation, and we are hopeful that some work will be done to find a new owner and/or operator to keep this going, and that will give us time to address the questions that the Member is raising. As long as the mine is operating and the private sector is involved, it is possible that some or all of the liability will be covered by the private sector. Thank you.
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David Krutko
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister tell me if there are any plans in place for this department to strengthen our environmental regulations and bring them in line with other jurisdictions across Canada to ensure that we do have mechanisms in place to ensure the public that we are considering protecting the environment and we are looking into legislation to have a look at that. Can the Minister answer that?
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. All lands and inland waters are still under the jurisdiction of the federal government, so we do not have the capacity to deal with environmental issues that deal with most of the land and the resources and the water in our territory. The environmental jurisdictions we do have we believe are adequately covered at this time. Thank you.
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Roy Erasmus
Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are for the Minister of Finance , and the questions are in relation to the statement that he made earlier today on the Equal Pay Tribunal to be held in Ottawa. Mr. Speaker, I must say that I am very disappointed to hear that the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal decided to hold the vast majority of the hearings in Ottawa and, obviously, even more disappointed to hear that the union wanted to have the vast majority of the hearings in Ottawa.
What I would like to know is if the Minister could indicate to me whether holding these hearings, the vast majority of the hearings other than the opening and closing remarks, I think he said, is this going to be an added cost to this government? Thank you.
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Charles Dent
Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I said in my statement, because the government
has its records and its witnesses in the North, there is probably an increase in cost to hold the majority of the hearings in Ottawa, yes.
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Roy Erasmus
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Mr. Speaker, the Minister in his statement also indicated that according to the Public Service Alliance of Canada, the people most affected by and interested in this case are in Ottawa. Could the Minister indicate what was the rationale behind that statement if there was any provided?
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Charles Dent
Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I cannot provide the rationale for why the PSAC would make that kind of statement. Considering this is a complaint which has been lodged against the Government of the Northwest Territories on behalf of employees who, for the most part, are still residents in the Northwest Territories, I do not understand how that statement could be made. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Roy Erasmus
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister had also indicated that he understands that in most cases the hearing is held in a place that appears to be most substantially connected to the subject of the litigation, and I could certainly understand why that would be. Could the Minister indicate if he has any examples of when this has occurred? Thank you.
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Mr. Speaker, I do not have with me, in the House, specific examples of other hearings that have been held. I will endeavour to provide that information to Members within the day.
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Roy Erasmus
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Mr. Speaker, the Minister in his statement also indicated that the government asked the tribunal to allow us to call Northerners as witnesses to explain the importance of the tradition where hearings that affect Northerners are held in the North. They refused to hear them. Is the Minister indicating that we were not even allowed to have witnesses to speak to the tribunal so that we could try to explain to them why it is important to have these important hearings here in the North? Thank you.
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Member is right, we were not even allowed to call witnesses to explain the importance of holding hearings throughout the North so that people in the North could be educated and aware of what the issues are. This, I think, Mr. Speaker, is unheard of. In my history in the North, from the time of the Berger Commission, almost every time there has been an issue of importance to Northerners, the hearings have been held in the North and this government is extremely disappointed that these will not be held here. Thank you.
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Jane Groenewegen
Hay River
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Premier . I would like to ask the Premier if there is such a thing as transitional compensation available to Cabinet Ministers who resign or depart prior to the end of their term in office as Cabinet Ministers? Thank you.
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yes, there are ministerial severance benefits that exist for Cabinet. Thank you.
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Thank you. Mr. Speaker, I assume that these ministerial severance benefits come into play when a Minister is departing earlier than anticipated. It would not be at the end of any term of office as a Cabinet Minister, is that correct? Thank you.
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, according to the procedure, the Minister has to either resign or has to be removed from office. Thank you.
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, could the Premier please describe what the components are of this ministerial severance package, whether it be for travel, housing, pay, benefits, vacation allowances? Could the Premier please describe what the components are of this severance package that would be given to Cabinet Ministers departing earlier than anticipated? Thank you.
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Jim Antoine
Nahendeh
Thank you. The honourable Member is asking about severance. The severance payout, I believe, is about two months. Thank you.
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Jane Groenewegen
Hay River
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question was, and I do not understand the answer, are there various components to this or is the Premier saying that it is two months' compensation based on what they normally are paid including all the various components of remuneration for Cabinet Ministers? I did not understand the answer to that question. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Jim Antoine
Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, under this procedure, when Ministers resign or are taken out of office, they are eligible to receive severance pay up to a maximum of two months as a Minister. There are also things like vacation leave credits that are there that have to be taken into consideration. There is a matter of accommodation expenses and so forth that has to be worked out from the resignation date so there is a period, I believe, of about 90 days to try to take care of that. Also there is a whole thing about leasing furniture and so forth that is also 90 days.
There is the matter of removal type of assistance if their residence is outside of Yellowknife. These are all kind of calculated into and taken into consideration in the ministerial clearance procedure. Thank you.
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Question 184-13(7): Access To Down Payment Assistance Program
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Roy Erasmus
Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister responsible for Housing . Mr. Speaker, we have heard and the question is in relation to the Minimum Down Payment Assistance Program. Mr. Speaker, we have heard glowing reports of how many people have been able to purchase homes using the $10,000 homeowners grant to help people with the minimum down payment. I wish I could say that all my constituents are able to participate in this very worthy program, however, I have received complaints from people living on Ingraham Trail that they may not be able to participate in the program.
Could the Minister indicate how people living on Ingraham Trail, if they are eligible to actually participate in this program? Thank you.
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Floyd Roland
Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the situation that is happening out at Ingraham Trail has to do with the lots that are out there. The majority of lots that are out on Ingraham Trail are leased through the federal government and are leased on the basis of cottage or seasonal use. The MDAP program is for your principal residence so that, in a lot of those cases, they would not qualify on that basis. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Roy Erasmus
Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Is the Minister saying then that anybody that is not on, I guess you could call it a recreational or seasonal lease, anybody that is not on a seasonal lease then would be eligible for the $10,000 MDAP?
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Floyd Roland
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, if there are lots out on Ingraham Trail that are leased for a permanent site or permanent residence, then they would be eligible for the MDAP. The concern is that it has to be the principal residence of the individual, and the lot has to be leased on the basis of, a full lease, not as a cottage or a seasonal use lease. Thank you.
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Roy Erasmus
Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister had indicated something about a principal residence. I think that this government is well aware that quite a few people actually live out on Ingraham Trail in what was originally supposed to be seasonal leases, but now these are principal residences. In the case where it may actually be called a seasonal lease but it is a principal residence for someone, would that family or couple or that individual, if it is an individual, would they be eligible for the MDAP?
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Floyd Roland
Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, again the issue is one of the conditions for MDAP is that it would go to purchase or to build your principal residence as well as the issue on the Ingraham Trail is that the lot they are on has to be on titled land, I think that is the proper term, that the land it is going on or the existing facility, the house that is out there, is on titled land specifically for the purposes of permanent residences. Those are a number of the conditions that would have to be met before MDAP could apply. If there are people out there, and we know people do live out on Ingraham Trail, but if it is not on titled land, then they still do not qualify for the MDAP.
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Roy Erasmus
Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am starting to get a little bit confused here. I think originally the Minister had indicated that if the people were on leases that did not say seasonal leases, that they would be eligible, but in his last answer he indicated that only titled landowners would be eligible. Could the Minister clarify that please? Thank you.
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Floyd Roland
Inuvik
Mr. Speaker, I will try to get this correct for the Member. The issue is that the lease or the titled land would have to be one of a principal residence or not indicated as being for seasonal or recreational use. It has to be their permanent area that they have the permission of the governments, whether it is the federal government or the territorial government, depending on which area, the Commissioner's land, for example, falls under, it has to be approved for the use of a full-time occupancy. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Question 185-13(7): National Highway Strategy Meeting
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Jake Ootes
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question will be to the Honourable Mr. Steen , Minister of Transportation . Earlier today I made a statement regarding the upgrading of Highway 3, and I made reference to the National Highway Strategy. I understand the Minister attended a meeting of his counterparts, provincial and federal, several weeks ago at which there was some discussion as to the possibility of reviving a National Highway Strategy. I wonder if the Minister could tell us what that strategy may be all about? Thank you.
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Vince Steen
Nunakput
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the meeting the Member referenced actually was a meeting set up by the Liberal Caucus, and it was to do with a plan the federal government has whereby they would direct money in a new budget, next year's budget, toward transportation infrastructure, and highways in particular. The proposal at this point in time is just a proposal, the federal government would put in $3.5 billion over five years into highway infrastructure, in particular, national highways infrastructure. The territorial government, at this point in time, has 535 kilometres of highway that would be considered as part of the national highways infrastructure.
The thought, Mr. Speaker, is that over five years $700 million a year would be put in by the federal government towards national highway improvements. The plan is, of course, that provincial, territorial and industry would meet that money. What the ratio would be is still up in the air, but we would definitely have to come up with our share of whatever the ratio would be. It could be 2/1 or it could be 50/50, but we would definitely have to come up with our share to meet the federal contribution.
We are hoping the formula will be based on our portion of the national highway system, in other words, roughly 2 percent of that funding would be available to the territories. That would work out to approximately $80 million over five years, Mr. Speaker, however, we would have to find our share to meet that in the budget, whether it is 50/50 or 2/1. There was another meeting scheduled for later this week in Ottawa to further discuss and arrive at some decision on exactly what the ratio would be. Thank you.
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Jake Ootes
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister tell us, it is restricted to certain highways within the territories and the Minister referred to the mileage. If I understand correctly, perhaps the Minister could confirm this, it would apply to Highways 1, 3, and 2. Is that correct? Thank you.
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Vince Steen
Nunakput
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the particular portion of the highway this would apply to would be the highway from the Alberta border to Yellowknife and then a portion of the highway, I believe, into Hay River. That is what qualifies as a national highway. In there, as well as planned capital funding of our own towards the project, the federal funding would be used to finalize and possibly accelerate construction on Highway 3 between here and Fort Rae. I doubt if the acceleration would be any faster than five years because that is what the funding is based on, a five year program.
We would still have to find our share of capital funding. The other portion of the highway funding that we would get from the federal government could be applied towards putting a bridge in place at Fort Providence. The estimated cost of that bridge right now is $60 million. Again, it depends on whether the funding is, in fact, put in place by the federal government in the next budget.
Previous to this the federal government had a program called Municipal Funding National, this time they have a program called Transportation Infrastructure, so that is the idea the federal government has at this time. Encouragement from the provinces and territories is for the federal government to go forward with this program. Thank you.
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Jake Ootes
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is certainly encouraging that there is a possibility for this funding and certainly, while I believe there is a need to fast- track it even beyond the five years, at least, it would be welcome news even if it was five years. Perhaps the Minister could tell me what is the next stage of the Minister's process, along with his counterparts on a national basis? He mentioned they were meeting next week, I believe, or later this week, perhaps the Minister could clarify that for me. Thank you.
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Vince Steen
Nunakput
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, at this point in time, there was a meeting planned for this coming Friday in Ottawa, where the provincial and territorial Ministers and Mr. Collenette, the federal Minister, would be at the particular meeting and we would hopefully arrive at some kind of conclusion or agreement on formula funding.
I understand now that there is a possibility this meeting may be postponed, so I cannot say at this point in time when the next meeting will go forward, but we hope that everything will be in place so that the federal government's plan for their federal budget, presumably over the summer, plans would be made before then to give direction to the federal government as to have it included in the federal budget for next year. Thank you.
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Jake Ootes
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister tell us if we might know ahead of time so that we can plan our budget process properly this fall? We do need to fast-track this highway, and if we are going to tackle this, and there is a possibility of federal funding, then we have to allocate a certain amount of funding in the budget next year to meet the federal funding. If the Minister could tell us if he might know by early this fall? Thank you.
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Vince Steen
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I believe, if this government reached an agreement with the federal government on a funding formula, it would be through a MOU whereby we would be committing x number of dollars and they would be committing x number of dollars per year for five years, so obviously it would have to be in time for our budget and it would have to be in time for their budget. If the House is sitting or whatever way is available to me as a Minister to make the other Members aware of what the plan is, I will use that approach. Thank you.
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Question 186-13(7): Union Representation For NTPC Employees
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Seamus Henry
Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Honourable Member of the Department of Finance with the responsibilities for the Power Corporation, the Honourable Mr. Dent . Mr. Speaker, yesterday I tabled a petition signed by over 100 employees of the Northwest Territories Power Corporation. These employees wanted the freedom to choose their employees' association rather than having their representation dictated to them by the government under the Public Service Act.
As I stated yesterday, the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedom guarantees freedom of association as a fundamental freedom of every Canadian citizen. Our Public Service Act expressly denies that right, not only for the Power Corporation employees but for all government employees other than teachers. Employees may choose to remain with the UNW but it must be their choice, not the government's.
My question, Mr. Speaker, is to the Minister responsible for the Financial Management Board . Given that the Public Service Act appears to be in direct contradiction to the charter, will the Minister make a commitment to amend the act to ensure that employees covered by the act can exercise freedom of association? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Charles Dent
Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wondered which Minister was going to get a chance to answer that because the honourable Member used three different titles in the question. I would like to indicate that while I have received the petition, and we are examining it to determine which way to go, I am not sure that I can accept the Member's allegation that our current act is in contravention of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. We did in fact, go to court when this government took over health in 1988 with the health care workers. The ruling indicated our act is in compliance with the Canadian Charter.
I do take seriously the request by the employees of the Power Corporation, however, I choose to be cautious in predicting how I can respond. I am advised that there are 217 unionized workers at the Power Corporation, members of the union. As the Member noted, the number of signatures on the petition was 108, which is one short of being 50 percent, and I do understand that this is an important issue. I have received letters from both the union and from unionized workers and am working with the staff at FMBS to examine the situation to decide the best and proper way to respond. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Seamus Henry
Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As the Minister noted, I had addressed him with by three different titles, I can assure him that a number of times in the hallways there are more titles that are contributed towards him. Mr. Speaker, my second question is, the Minister mentioned that when health was transferred from the federal government the Public Service Act was looked at as to be constitutional. Was that specific
part in the act looked at or was it just the act in general as to meeting the Charter of Rights and Freedoms in regard to the association part? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Charles Dent
Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I understand it, the question to the courts was whether or not health professionals had to belong to one union, as stipulated in the act. The courts found in the government's favour. The act was found to be constitutional. Thank you.
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Seamus Henry
Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and thank the Minister for that. Could the Minister indicate when his officials will have reviewed the concerns that I have brought to his attention and report back to the House? He mentioned earlier he would do that, but did not set a time limit. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will endeavour to do that with all haste, however I doubt that I will be able to report back to this House by tomorrow. I will report to the Member on what we have found and to the employees who have written to me within the next two to four weeks. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Jane Groenewegen
Hay River
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I had some more questions for the Premier on the issue of the ministerial severance packages. I believe that the Premier said that the ministerial severance only comes into play when a Minister leaves his office earlier than the end of a term. We have had some resignations from Cabinet recently, so my question is when the resignations of Nunavut Members were announced in the House, were they deemed to have resigned their positions prior to the end of their term on March 31st? Thank you.
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Nahendeh
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Jane Groenewegen
Hay River
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It would follow then that even though some of them only left a couple of days earlier than the end of their term that that would have made them eligible for a ministerial severance package? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Jim Antoine
Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. According to the policy, yes, it makes them eligible for this ministerial clearance procedure. Thank you.
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Jane Groenewegen
Hay River
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If the Nunavut Cabinet Ministers had not resigned prior and had just let the clock run out on their terms and had left after March 31st, they would not have received ministerial severance packages? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, according to this policy, if they would have let their term run out to the end of March, they would not have been eligible for the severance pay of the two months of their salary. Thank you.
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Jane Groenewegen
Hay River
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, was this unique to Nunavut Cabinet Ministers leaving this department and would it be within the Premier 's knowledge whether Cabinet Ministers would have done the same thing, for example, resigning two days prior to the end of their term at the end of the 12th Assembly? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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I will rule the question out of order. The Members cannot ask questions about the previous Assemblies. Oral questions. Mr. Krutko .
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David Krutko
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Transportation . It is in regards to an issue that I have raised in this House. It is about the increased number of highway fatalities on our highway system. In 1996, there were some 160 highway accidents. Mr. Speaker, in 1997 there was an increase of 130 accidents on our highway systems. Mr. Speaker, also the record shows that there has been a decrease in the number of registered vehicles and licences issued in the Northwest Territories.
Mr. Speaker, the concern I have is the cause of the increased number of fatalities on the road systems. I travel a lot on the highway systems, and one of the biggest concerns that I see on the highway system is the question about dust control. Also, problems driving on the highway system especially in the summertime with 24 hours sunlight where you have a hard time seeing if there is a vehicle in front of you and also of the vehicles coming to you. You cannot always determine exactly where these vehicles are on the road or if there is a turn coming up. Mr.
Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister about the number of fatalities that are on our road systems, and the large cause of these accidents are because of the dust problems we have on a lot of our roads which are gravel highways. What is this department doing to improve, repair, and maintain those highway systems so that we can decrease the number fatalities on those roads?
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Vince Steen
Nunakput
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we are talking about highways in general. The department, as everybody knows, is working towards hard topping the highway from the border to Yellowknife. Those other highways that are heavily used are normally calcium-applied for dust control. If the Member is referring specifically to the highway in his region which is the Dempster, at this point in time, the department is working towards widening that highway, and we are applying dust controlled-calcium in those areas that are critical at this point in time like approaches to the bridges or approaches to the communities.
We are also, at this point in time, considering whether we can afford to put or apply more calcium to the Dempster.
Mr. Speaker, as all the Members know, whether the department is going to be able to have more funding to apply more dust control to the highways, we are also competing with the funding that the House has been directing towards the social programs in the last couple of days like education. The government needs direction as to what the priorities are. Right now there is no doubt my department places a high priority on dust control. But again, it depends on how much money we are given to do the job with. Thank you.
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David Krutko
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the highway system, as we know it, from Enterprise to Yellowknife is some 333 kilometres, yet the Dempster Highway from the border to Inuvik is 272 kilometres with a difference of almost 60 kilometres. Mr. Speaker, I am not sure if Highway 8 is in Alaska or whatever, but it is part of the Northwest Territories. This is the second longest stretch of highway we have to maintain in the Northwest Territories. Why is it that that highway is being treated any differently than any highway.
When you talk about money, I just heard the Minister mention earlier that there is some $60 million to build a bridge across the MacKenzie River. I would like to ask the Minister, why is the dust control such a problem with this government, yet we are spending some $50 million to upgrade Highway 8? Why is there no money for dust control?
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