Debates of Oct. 1st, 2015

This is page numbers 6559 – 6620 of the Hansard for the 17th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was know .

Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

2014-2015 Public Works And Services Energy Conservation Projects Annual Report

Tourism Highlights

Impact Of Fiscal Restraint On The Public Service

Flexibility In The Delivery Of Government Of The Northwest Territories Programs

Shortage Of Long-Term Care Facilities For Seniors

Mackenzie Delta Elders Care Facilities

Great Slave Lake Fishery

Establishing Of NWT Ombudsman Office

Sahtu Child Care Requirements

NWT Housing Corporation Repair And Renovation Programs

GNWT Debt And Borrowing Capacity

Inuvik-Tuktoyaktuk Highway Project

Kakisa Community Hall Grand Opening

Tu Nedhe High School Graduates

Condolences To Tlicho Families On Recent Passing Tragedies

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Comprehensive GNWT Agriculture Policy

Child Care Services In The Sahtu Region

Disclosure Of Private Health Care Information To Approved Contacts

Mackenzie Delta Elders Facilities

Draft Conservation Plan

Housing Program Co-Payments

Question 904-17(5) Great Slave Lake Fishery

Diagnostic Imaging Issue

Inuvik Airport Road Improvements

Impact Of Fiscal Restraint On The Public Service

Hearing Aids For Children

Bill 54:

An Act To Amend The Forest Management Act

Tabled Document 318-17(5): Cabinet Operational Guidelines During A Transition Period

Tabled Document 319-17(5): Memorandum Of Agreement Between The Government Of The Northwest Territories And Government Of Nunavut On The Northern Employee Benefits Services Pension Plan Acts

Tabled Document 320-17(5): Northwest Territories Coroner Service 2014 Annual Report

Tabled Document 321-17(5): Annual Report Of The Conflict Of Interest Commissioner With Respect To The Filing Of Disclosure Statements

Tabled Document 322-17(5): Draft Ombudsman Act For The Northwest Territories

Tabled Document 323-17(5):

Article From NWT Literacy Council On Universal Child Care

Northwest Territories Disabilities Services

Bill 68:

An Act To Amend The Child And Family Services Act, No. 2

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Report of Committee of the Whole

Orders of the Day

Members Present

Hon. Glen Abernethy , Hon. Tom Beaulieu , Ms. Bisaro , Mr. Blake , Mr. Bouchard , Mr. Bromley , Mr. Dolynny , Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Hawkins , Hon. Jackie Jacobson , Hon. Jackson Lafferty , Hon. Bob McLeod , Hon. Robert McLeod , Mr. Menicoche , Hon. Michael Miltenberger , Mr. Moses , Mr. Nadli , Hon. David Ramsay , Mr. Yakeleya

The House met at 1:31 p.m.

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Prayer

Prayer

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Good afternoon, colleagues. Item 2, Ministers’ statements. Minister of Public Works and Services , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Minister's Statement 226-17(5): 2014-2015 Public Works And Services Energy Conservation Projects Annual Report

Ministers’ Statements

Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

The 2014-2015 Public Works and Services Energy Conservation Projects Annual Report published in June 2015 is both a retrospective of what the Government of the NWT has achieved since annual reporting first began and an overview of important changes we have made to support this work going forward.

During the life of the 17th Legislative Assembly,

finding energy solutions and focusing on energy conservation and technology have become an integral part of how government operates. Since the first biomass project in 2007, we have worked to set targets, create guidelines and develop both outward and inward energy strategies. We are now entering into a “new normal” of how government operates.

In the five years since the Department of Public Works and Services first started reporting on its energy conservation activities, the GNWT has progressively improved its energy performance in a number of important areas, including:

generating cumulative operational savings of $8

million;

reducing GNWT energy usage in major assets

such as schools by up to 15 percent and overall energy usage in government assets by 5 percent;

reducing our dependence on fossil fuel for

heating buildings by 3.5 million litres annually, which is equivalent to 9,500 tonnes of greenhouse gas emissions;

the installation of 18 large commercial biomass

boiler systems, nine in the last year alone,

increasing our wood pellet usage by 86 percent in a single year;

establishing the Capital Asset Retrofit Fund

Program which now produces over $1.7 million in annual operational savings as the program is quickly becoming self-sufficient in funding future energy projects; and

incorporating opportunities for alternative and

renewable energy as part of the planning for all new building projects coming forward for consideration

the

GNWT’s

annual

Infrastructure Acquisition Plan.

Operationally, this means a new set of practices, procedures and considerations which prioritize energy efficiency and conservation in the design, construction and operation of all new government buildings have become standardized over the course of this government.

The 17th Legislative Assembly has also taken steps

to ensure the GNWT is positioned to build upon the successes of the past several years by bringing our energy programs together and creating a focal point for energy policy, initiatives and management within our government.

On April 1, 2015, the new energy activity of PWS was established, bringing together energy expertise from across

government.

Combining

the

project

management, planning, fuel services and building operations expertise of PWS with those areas of government focused on policy development and promotion of renewable energy solutions means the GNWT is better positioned to respond to future opportunities in the planning and management of our energy needs.

Mr. Speaker, with a flat revenue outlook and a need to take a hard look at how we are spending our money in coming years, operating effectively and efficiently is more important than ever. Continuing energy conservation efforts will be an important part of that. At the same time, our newly consolidated energy activity can contribute to government work in addressing the high cost of living through continued public

education

and

information

sharing,

identification

energy

options

and

policy

development.

Going forward, the 18th Legislative Assembly will be

better positioned than ever to support energy

conservation and efficiency efforts and to assist the public in benefitting from what we have learned as a government. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 226-17(5): 2014-2015 Public Works And Services Energy Conservation Projects Annual Report

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Minister of Tourism , Mr. Ramsay .

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Minister's Statement 227-17(5): Tourism Highlights

Ministers’ Statements

David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Mr. Speaker, I rise today to report positive results and trends from this government’s investments and initiatives in the NWT tourism sector.

The official tourism statistics for the last fiscal year will be available in late October but the preliminary results are promising. We are seeing a broad spectrum of interest in the tourism activities available in the Northwest Territories. In particular, the segment of visitors from China, who are commonly associated with aurora viewing, are exploring well beyond this sector.

For example, this past summer, 50 Chinese tourists travelled the Dempster Highway to Inuvik. There they participated in numerous events and activities, including a community feast and drum dance. It was, they say, an unforgettable experience

– and still

more evidence of the unique and spectacular tourism product that is available to those who choose the NWT as a destination for their holidays and business travel.

Since January 2014, the Northern Frontier Visitors Centre in Yellowknife has received close to 7,000 visitors from China, a number that represents an incredible growth in this target market. Only four years ago the number of Chinese visitors to our territory was in the low hundreds.

The growth in the Chinese market is not an accident. It has been strategically advanced by our government’s trade missions to China; supported by investments, made through the Department of Industry, Tourism and Investment, into the operators and businesses that make up the tourism sector, and enhanced by new marketing funds approved by this Assembly for NWT Tourism.

The value of these efforts was confirmed when the Premier and I had the opportunity to host His Excellency Luo Zhaohui, Ambassador of China to Canada, on his first visit to the Northwest Territories earlier this

month. A visit from China’s highest

ranking official in Canada was a great opportunity to show off the tremendous tourism offerings in this region as well as in Inuvik and Tuktoyaktuk. During his visit, Ambassador Luo remarked on the natural beauty of this territory and our well-developed infrastructure. He also spoke publicly about his interest in doing more to support and promote NWT tourism at home in China.

Meanwhile, Mr. Speaker, tour operators in the North Slave and Sahtu regions are reporting an excellent

summer season; demand for river adventures in the Mackenzie Mountains west of Norman Wells was at record levels, and tour operators on Great Slave Lake worked virtually without a break throughout the summer.

Preliminary estimates indicate that the number of campground permits issued this season is up by 14 percent over last summer. Satisfaction with our parks amenities and services remains high, and public response to the Cultural Interpretive Program offered this past summer, especially in the Beaufort- Delta parks system, was overwhelmingly positive.

The strength of an increased tourism demand is evidenced in the new capital investments we are witness to in Yellowknife’s accommodation sector and the investments that communities across the NWT are advancing to improve the appeal of their local tourism infrastructure and product.

Communities such as Inuvik, Tsiigehtchic, Jean Marie River, Fort Simpson, Deline, Fort McPherson, and Lutselk’e have all partnered with the GNWT this year to invest in trails, signage, visitor centres, and other improvements with a view to attract and retain visitors and improve their travel experience in the NWT.

We know that the awareness and recognition for our territory’s existing attractions and infrastructures is also growing, as evidenced, earlier this year, by Explore Magazine, which named Queen Elizabeth Territorial Park near Fort Smith as one of the Top 25 Campsites in Canada.

Through training and skills development, we have supported our capital spending with investments in the men and women who make up our tourism sector. With a full suite of training and skills development workshops, ITI has worked with the NWT tourism industry to advance the safety, hospitality and the business savvy of our many and varying operators and business owners.

We have also seen considerable growth in the Aboriginal tourism sector, with a number of Aboriginal-owned and operated tourism businesses growing and thriving over the life of this government.

Since 2014-15, we have leveraged over $1 million in federal investment to match GNWT investments in tourism

businesses,

skills

development

and

Aboriginal community tourism, a reflection of the shared commitment that exists at all levels of government to developing a healthy tourism economy.

I am also pleased to report that the NWT’s new Convention Bureau, still in the first full year of operation, has confirmed five events. Another six are in the offing. They represent an estimated $1.8 million in future conference revenues, not to mention spinoff

benefits

for

transportation

suppliers,

restaurants,

artisans

and

tourism

operators

throughout the territory.

At a time when our economy is challenged by a downturn in resource exploration and development, a weak dollar and the impacts of a worldwide recession, our tourism sector has remained strong and shown signs of vibrancy and growth.

Annual visitors’ spending in 2013-14 was $132.5 million. Despite the fires that impacted travellers in the summer of 2014, we are recognizing modest increases for 2014-15 and we are expecting these numbers to rise even higher based on the strength of this year’s summer tourism season.

Supporting promising and successful sectors like tourism is an important part of our effort to foster the kind of economic growth this territory needs to build a prosperous future and ensure our government has the resources it needs to deliver programs and services to our residents.

Mr. Speaker, the tourism industry that we recognize in our territory today is strong and growing. It is a testament to the wisdom of this Assembly’s decision- making, in the face of tough economic conditions, to invest in a sector that is growing, bringing new dollars into our economy and creating jobs and opportunity throughout the territory. I would like to thank this Assembly for its support for our territory’s tourism and parks sector, the results of which I am able to share today. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 227-17(5): Tourism Highlights

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Item 3, Members’ statements. Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Impact Of Fiscal Restraint On The Public Service

Members’ Statements

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

On Tuesday I voiced my concerns about the impact of the Finance Minister ’s fiscal restraint measures on the morale of the public se

rvice. Mr. Speaker, quite frankly, I don’t

understand the mixed messages being sent by this government to the people of the NWT that we serve, especially to people who serve us each and every day by doing the job diligently and conscientiously and keeping the government programs running and ticking along each and every day.

The Premier and Ministers of this Cabinet finally say to this House, our employees are our most valuable assets. I happen to agree with that statement, but what is the point of this government repeating this tired phrase when its actions go along with the platitudes from these Ministers?

This government has a Population Strategy meant to tempt 2,000 new residents to the NWT to make their home here by 2019 as a way to increase their federal transfer dollars. The GNWT remains one of the NWT’s biggest employers, so it must be prepared to hire these new residents. Why would anyone take a

job with the GNWT and move their families here if they risk losing their job in the next Assembly’s collateral damage because of fiscal restraint?

This government also has a Human Resources Workforce Planning Strategy, a multi-pronged effort to maintain the GNWT as an employer of choice and to maximize recruitment and certainly retention of employees. How about the efforts of the Department of Human Resources to operate the multi-year strategy along with the Finance Minister ’s transition plan in exercising design, in his own words, to make sure revenues and expenditures on an ongoing basis stay the same and plan for what has been determined to be a flat economy with revenues going down.

Frankly, I must point out that the GNWT increased its workforce by 260 new employees and positions in the devolution process. How can this government possibly be considering lay-offs as a fiscal restraint measure less than a scant 18 months after devolution?

The GNWT has known for a long time by considering many options by trying to strategize itself for revenue growth and we’ve known it’s very limited, but controlling the cost by cutting away jobs is certainly not the way to attract employees or strengthen morale. We must find a different way.

I will be asking questions of the Minister of Human Resources about the impact of this fiscal restraint on our Human Resource Strategy. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Flexibility In The Delivery Of Government Of The Northwest Territories Programs

Members’ Statements

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have stated goals and initiatives of this government. For example, educating people. To that end, we boast the best SFA, student financial assistance, system in the country.

We have a stated goal of increasing the population of the NWT by 2,000 people. These are well-known goals and strategies that we work and expend resources to advance. However, every day we hear of anomalies, contradictions and decisions based on policy that fly in the face of these goals. I believe in rules and transparencies, but sometimes our policies lack discretion and common sense in applying these policies in real life situations.

This week in the House, my colleague from Hay River North shared the story of a constituent, born, raised and educated in the NWT, moving south for a period of time and upon return to enroll in northern post-secondary program with support of SFA is required to re-establish residency for a whole year

with no regard for their lifelong residency in the North. The message is don’t come home, don’t pursue higher education.

It’s well known that young people often decide to work or travel between high school and post- secondary education. Could there not be some accommodation for that reality?

Then there’s the single parent in public housing who goes south to educational opportunities to improve their life. They come home for the summer no longer eligible for any housing support because technically doesn’t conform to the residency requirement. Why come home?

Then there’s the single parent in social housing who proudly sends their child off to university and when the student returns home to work for the summer to make money to go back to school, they land a job and mom’s rent goes up to reflect that temporary increase in household income and then mom has no choice but to get their son or daughter to take those needed earnings to contribute to pay for the increased rent. Welcome home, Mr. Speaker.

Then there’s the income support client with a disability who gets financial support and contributes to the expense of the family that cares for them. The disabled client gets a GIC cheque and fails to disclose it, interrupting the benefit that they received. Those same benefits that help their family support them in their private accommodation, probably avoiding a very expensive care and support that would otherwise be provided to government service and agencies.

Mr. Speaker, I know we need rules. I know the staff on the front-line positions managing these programs are only doing their jobs in compliance with those rules and implementing too much discretionary latitude can also be a slippery slope.

I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Flexibility In The Delivery Of Government Of The Northwest Territories Programs

Members’ Statements

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Implementing too much discretionary latitude can also be a slippery slope, as we know. But surely we, as a government, committed to our goals and stated priorities, could find a way to expeditiously deal with these situations that arise. I know it sounds like the job of an ombudsman, but for now it remains the domain of MLAs advocating for constituents and Ministers and their staff using their time to consider these things on a case-by-case basis sometimes with positive outcomes, but often with unnecessary stress to everyone concerned. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Shortage Of Long-Term Care Facilities For Seniors

Members’ Statements

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, for some time many have warned that the crisis of too few available beds at the Aven Centre here in Yellowknife is coming fast. I rise yet again to remind us all that this catastrophe is not only looming, it’s here. We must address the shortfall promptly.

The problem has been studied to death by all concerned, who say with one voice,

“We need more

beds.” With a 200 percent growth in Yellowknife seniors over the next 16 years and a 125 percent increase across the NWT, we need several hundred new beds territory-wide. Yet, time is passing with little apparent progress.

We still do not have a single palliative care facility in the NWT. Avens is in need of major renovations and the waiting list grows longer. Our state of preparedness to serve our elders in need of beds is deplorable.

To humanize this situation, let’s look at one real life example of the many, to help imagine the human toll this neglect is exacting.

Annette Lemay, 93, moved to Yellowknife in 1951 to marry Aurel Lemay. Together they lived in their small house, which they moved from the Negus mine site, until Aurel passed away at 95 last July. Aurel retired in 1983 and he and Annette were determined to remain in Yellowknife. They had no children and no blood relations in the NWT, but Yellowknife has always been their home and their family. They were only able to make living independently work because they were together, with their respective abilities in cooking, mobility, corresponding and advocating care complementing each other.

They knew that the day would come when one of them would go, leaving the other needing comprehensive care, so an application was made in 2013 to place Annette on the waiting list for long-term care. Sadly, that day came on July 8, 2015. Annette immediately found herself alone and in urgent need of care.

While she currently has respite until October, she is sixth on the waiting list for placement in long-term care. She remains scared, worried and confused, and is seeking safety and comfort in the community of seniors for the last of her years.

Annette Lemay is the face of the seniors this government is failing. As lifelong founders and pillars of our society today, she and our many elders like her throughout the Northwest Territories deserve better. In Yellowknife, with half of our territorial population served by a facility with a meagre 29 beds needing mid-

life retrofit, our seniors’ plight is well

known and has been obvious for some time.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement. Mahsi.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Shortage Of Long-Term Care Facilities For Seniors

Members’ Statements

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

As I was saying, in Yellowknife, with half of our territorial population served by a facility with a meagre 29 beds needing mid-life retrofit, our seniors’ plight is well known and has been obvious for some time. How can we still be waiting for action?

We have the responsibility and the power. So I say, colleagues, Minister, executive, our Cabinet, out of respect for our elders like Annette, let’s get it done. Mahsi.

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Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Blake .

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Mackenzie Delta Elders Care Facilities

Members’ Statements

Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My statement today is focusing on elders’ care and the need for elders’ housing. I’d like to mention that on September 14, 2015, I was in Aklavik for the Gwich’in Annual Assembly. At this time we welcomed and celebrated the opening of the new Joe Greenland Centre. This building will indeed house many elders and will have positive feedback from residents of Aklavik.

This past summer the construction of a new elders home in Fort McPherson was halted due to problems that were occurring during building of the pilings.

This is very important to the elders of Fort McPherson, for the completion of this building. A lot of elders look forward to a new residence and a place to gather and call home.

As we speak on the elders home in Fort McPherson, the location was another issue for some middle-aged and current elders. The majority of the people would like to see the location moved to a scenic and quiet neighbourhood. For example, a place down along the Peel River banks, close to the church and walking distance to offices and the store and also a great view of our Richardson Mountains.

I will have questions for the Minister later today.

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Mackenzie Delta Elders Care Facilities

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Blake . The Member for Hay River North , Mr. Bouchard .

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Great Slave Lake Fishery

Members’ Statements

Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I rise on one of my favourite topics, Great Slave Lake fish. Over the last four years, I’ve made many Member’s statements on Great Slave Lake fish. We know it’s a great product. We know there are a lot of hardworking people out there. It’s a great industry, it’s a renewable industry, and it’s one that we haven’t seen the full capacity of. We know we’re not even

over half our quota that we can catch on a productive renewable basis.

We’ve made some progress. We now have a business plan in place for those fishermen through ITI. We know that we’ve gotten some capital money to do a fish plant. We know this spring the Department of ITI insisted on giving a subsidy, and the fishermen have responded over the summer. Over the summer we’re seeing anywhere from a 30 percent to 40 percent increase in production. We’re seeing just about a million pounds in production if those numbers work out correctly.

I also forgot to mention the fact that we have a new logo, we have a new marketing plan, and we’re going forward. We’re pushing this project forward. The fishermen need dredging, as well, but that project is not moving forward anytime soon, but the rest of the project is moving forward.

Som

e of the questions I’m going to have today are

for the Minister of ITI . Where we have, again, a roadblock, the federal government, the Conservative federal government right now, and hopefully, we’ll see what all our candidates have to say about this over t

he next little while where we’re going to go with

the Hay River fish plant. We have $1.5 million allocated. We’re looking for federal assistance to help us complete the project. We need assistance. This is a great renewable resource. We need to capitalize on it.

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Great Slave Lake Fishery

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bouchard . The Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Establishing Of NWT Ombudsman Office

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Later today I will table a draft act to establish an office of the ombudsman. You and all Members will know that I have been pursuing the issue since I was first elected eight years ago. It’s not a new issue by any means. MLAs have been talking about establishing an ombudsman office since 1992, five Assemblies ago. The general public has been looking for such an office long before that.

There have been numerous motions passed in this House recommending the establishment of an ombudsman office. The Standing Committee on Government Operations was mandated by the House to review the question. Their very thorough and comprehensive report recognized the need in the NWT and recommended establishing an office. That was over a year ago now, yet we still have no action by this government to develop legislation to establish an ombudsman act.

Too expensive, Cabinet says. Too time consuming to write the legislation, they said. Well, that second argument has been quashed. With the help of our very capable Legislative Assembly research staff, I have a draft ombudsman act all ready to go. It may

not be perfect. It may not reflect precisely how an NWT ombudsman office would operate, but the groundwork has been done. The document can be handed to the Justice department legislative drafters for language adjustment and final tweaking.

It can be, with political will, presented for the first reading during the winter 2016 sitting of the 18th Legislative Assembly.

At the risk of being repetitive, I want to list some of the many reasons why the NWT needs an ombudsman office:

The office is an avenue of last resort for the

public, one that is impartial, free and accessible.

It’s an avenue of last resort for landlord tenant issues that are outside the jurisdiction of the rental officer.

It’s an avenue of last resort for housing or income support issues where an appeal has been denied.

It’s an avenue of last resort for administrative decisions by officials in hospitals and other medical facilities.

It’s an avenue of last resort for residents to ensure fairness in the delivery of government services and programs.

At the appropriate time, I will table this draft legislation. My fervent hope is that the 18th Assembly

will make the passage of an ombudsman act one of their priorities and that an ombudsman act is one of the first priorities that they can check off the to-do list as completed.

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Establishing Of NWT Ombudsman Office

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Sahtu Child Care Requirements

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Hearing Mr. Bouchard ’s Member’s statement sure makes me happy.

During my Sahtu community tours, I found there is a population of young people we have listened to and spoken to and these young people want to work. There’s a huge population of my young people in the Sahtu who want to work. We do not want to rely on government assistance and income support over and over and over. We want to work. We finished school, we’ve gone to post-secondary, we did the trades training and we want to work. We want to make a contribution to our family. We want to buy things for our family, for our children, take vacations. We do not like getting the income support system.

So when they told me that, I ask them what are some of the barriers, and one of the barriers they have said is that we do not have a child care centre in Norman Wells or in Colville Lake. That stops us. We either have to rely on babysitters in the community, and

sometimes they’re not very reliable, or we have to stay at home. They pay a price either way. They said, “If we had a child care centre where we can leave our children to be brought up in a safe environment, it would go a long way.

” Some of these are single

parents who want to go into the workforce or go to school.

Our young people are hungry to work, are hungry to go to school and hungry to make a living. They do not like to sit idle. They want to get off their keisters and go to work. It’s a simple plain fact for them. I’ll ask questions to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment why we need daycare centres in Norman Wells and Colville Lake. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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NWT Housing Corporation Repair And Renovation Programs

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. Today I wanted to talk about the repair and renovation programs offered by the NWT Housing Corporation. Over the past few years, I’ve had elders, seniors on pension and those with disabilities contacting me that part of the programming that the Housing Corporation offers comes with a co-pay portion and the minimum co-

pay portion is about $500. It’s very,

very difficult for those on pension and low income to even come up with that type of co-pay portion.

As an example, in Wrigley there was an elder who needs their water tank replaced. Typically in Yellowknife it would be about $1,500, but with the labour involved it adds up to about $5,000 in Wrigley alone and the co-pay portion is about $1,200. They’re living in a remote community with a high cost of living and they cannot make this co-pay portion. It is actually a burden on them and, as well, anybody with disabilities.

Just perusing the NWT Housing Corporation website, they say co-pay may be required, depending on household income, but the program that’s being offered is co-pay is necessary. So that’s a far cry from the guidelines that are listed on our website.

At the appropriate time I will be asking the Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation about how do we best serve our seniors and our elders and those with disabilities in accessing our NWT Housing Corporation home and repair program. Mahsi cho.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The Member for Range Lake , Mr. Dolynny .

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GNWT Debt And Borrowing Capacity

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In keeping with my theme of evaluating the McLeod government

and with reference to my report of September 29, 2015, today I will talk about GNWT debt and our borrowing capacity, our inability to borrow due to federally imposed debt limit restricting progressive capital investment from 2000 to 2007 thus leading to the territorial infrastructure deficit we see today.

Arguably, this has curtailed efforts to diversify the NWT economy and tied the territory to an intensely cyclical resource development sector. As a result, it is the 16th and 17th Legislative Assemblies that have

successfully pressured Canada to raise the debt limit.

My goal today is to evaluate the process we see before us. Have we been balanced in our approach or have we gone too far and put the taxpayers at risk?

Trends in debt and borrowing capacity are a good measure of fiscal performance. From 2007 to now, the total GNWT debt has risen dramatically by over 392 percent. Large capital projects such as the Deh Cho Bridge and the Mackenzie Valley Fibre Optic Link are major contributors to this growth.

So, although the new federally imposed limit has recently increased to $1.3 billion, as a general observation, as our total debt has grown, our borrowing capacity has shrunk. Interestingly, from 2000 to 2009 the GNWT ended up with a true cash surplus and did not require short-term debt. This short-term debt has generally increased in 2009 and has become significant during the life of this current administration. Hence, many will remember the increases we saw as short-term borrowing legislation in the 17th Legislative Assembly going

from $175 million to $275 million and the $25 million additional approved last year for a grand total today of $300 million for short-term borrowing.

So what did this translate? Rising debt and softening of static of our GDP in combination has caused the GNWT debt to rise as a percentage of GDP. Couple this with our government’s poor response to economic conditions, our infrastructure deficit or our meager revenue outlet, the percentage of total debt to GDP will no doubt rise with larger capital projects looming in the shadows.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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GNWT Debt And Borrowing Capacity

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

So, although the GNWT basks in the glory of a defined measure such as an Aa1 Moody credit rating for its debt management and current debt load, the real landscape paints a much bleaker forecast than Moody’s can safely measure.

Therefore, Mr. Speaker, we must be cautious moving forward. This was invariably echoed yesterday by the Finance Minister in his fiscal update. It is for these reasons of ignoring the warning bells that my assessment of the McLeod government

in dealing with debt and borrowing management will only muster a C grade. Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker.

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GNWT Debt And Borrowing Capacity

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .

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Inuvik-Tuktoyaktuk Highway Project

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. One practice of this government every year is that we approve infrastructure budgets. When we approve these infrastructure budgets, one thing we have to understand is we are not approving these budgets but creating jobs throughout the North, we are helping build skills and creating opportunities for our residents, our local residents and people in the small communities.

One of those projects that was recently approved and brought to attention

– even in the media and in

this House over the last few weeks

– is the Inuvik-

Tuk Highway. When this government approves big infrastructure projects or any other project, one thing we need to understand, as legislators as well as contractors and people who are putting these bids in, is that claims are a normal part of the construction contracts and that the government and the department involved try to resolve these as quickly as possible. Earlier in the week and in the media it was talked about that this project needs to be halted and stopped until further review takes place. Mr. Speaker, no, that can’t happen.

You heard today from some of my colleagues that we need jobs in the communities. We have people who are hungry to get off their butts and get to work. This is exactly what this job is doing with the Inuvik- Tuk Highway.

We just have to look at some of the highlights. At its peak construction period, there were over 600 individuals working on the project. About 75 percent of those were from the Inuvik region and there was also employment from other territorial communities as well. From those, about 120 people benefitted from training opportunities, and this is going to help when we look at other projects such as the Mackenzie Valley Highway. If any other mine or oil and gas companies want to start doing some work, we

’re going to have people who are trained to take

some of those jobs as well.

About 70 people were trained on the simulator for rock trucks and excavator training, which is also needed, and about 40 people were trained in class 1 and class 3 drivers’ licences with airbrakes. All those are going to help us in the future when we look at the Mackenzie Valley Project and other infrastructure in the Tlicho or towards Nunavut.

I do seek unanimous consent to conclude my Member’s statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Inuvik-Tuktoyaktuk Highway Project

Members’ Statements

Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Just to finish, we can’t forget about

the other future benefits and investment potential that the Inuvik-Tuk Highway is going to produce when we look at our offshore drilling, tourism and reduced cost of living for the communities toward Tuktoyaktuk and Inuvik.

Not only that, from a personal level, when you walk around Inuvik and you see the young guys and the young girls working, the family providers, the men who go and work long hours to provide for their families in Tuk and Inuvik and how that benefits them, it’s great to see people who are finally working, a decreased number of people on income assistance, all these benefits. I know in the summertime work is slow. I’ve seen the training opportunities that have been provided to some of these people who are working on this project going down south and getting further training, so they get higher level jobs in the project.

With that said, Mr. Speaker, I do support the continued work for the Inuvik-Tuk Highway and all the benefits it presents. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Inuvik-Tuktoyaktuk Highway Project

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Nadli .

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Kakisa Community Hall Grand Opening

Members’ Statements

Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Today I have some great news to share about the community of Kakisa. After more than five years, with special planning and construction, Kakisa is ready to host the grand opening of their new community hall.

The new hall is built alongside the old Deh Cho Assembly arbour. It was a bustling hub of community activity year round, ready to host sports and games, feasts and other community gatherings, with space left for storage and meetings.

The old community hall quickly filled to capacity, but the new hall will have more than enough room for all residents, family and friends.

I know the residents of Kakisa have been eager to have a place to gather. When Rowe’s Construction completed the last of their work, the community will have a place. The opening has been discussed for October 1st , but I’ve been told this has been

rescheduled possibly for mid-October to make sure everyone in the community can attend.

Mr. Speaker, I want to congratulate the community on the dedication to the project and in their achievement and hope for many exciting events at the new community hall in the years to come. Mahsi cho.

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Kakisa Community Hall Grand Opening

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Nadli . Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Tu Nedhe High School Graduates

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. This summer I had an opportunity to attend the graduation for Liidlii Kue School as usual. This year Sydney Bailey, Rayleen Norn, Rylie Chapman and Teagan Laroque graduated. The total number of students graduating since graduations events started in Fort Resolution in 2000 is 53 students. Every year I attend graduation and one year we had nine graduates and we’ve also had single graduates in Liidlii Kue School. So it’s gone very well. In springtime I went to an event in Lutselk’e where we also had a graduation. For the first time ever in the history of Lutselk’e, they had two students, Tristin Lockhart and Lucas Enzoe, who graduated from Grade 12.

I just want to pass on congratulations here in the House to those students in Fort Resolution going all the way back to 2000. Many of those students are working in Fort Resolution and many of them have jobs outside. There are a good many of them that have gone on to further education and I think the same thing will happen with Tristin Lockhart and Lucas Enzoe in Lutselk’e. They are the first to do it and I know there are going to be graduates. We will probably see some graduates out of Lutselk’e every year from now on.

It’s a big milestone for the community. Just about everyone from the community came out to celebrate Tristin and Lucas. The Fort Resolution graduation is usually a big event. This year we had 200 people show up. T

hat’s over 40 percent of the population,

so that’s a very big event. I thought I’d like to stand up today and congratulate all those students. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Tu Nedhe High School Graduates

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Member for Tlicho, Mr. Lafferty .

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Condolences To Tlicho Families On Recent Passing Tragedies

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. [Translation] Today I would like to acknowledge what happened in our community. We just lost two of our c

itizens in the Tlicho region. I know there’s a lot

of people in our community who are suffering right now. We all know each other. Even when we’re here, we are remembering them and we want to have prayers in our hearts for their parents and their families.

We have to look at how we can resolve this. We have to support them and try to help the community in the situation they are in because of what has happened and what has occurred in our community. I know that next week we will be having a funeral service for the people and the communities. We have to support

them with prayers. Prayers go a long way and are a big help for the families.

I just wanted to acknowledge the fact that we have a terrible situation that happened in our community. I wanted to mention this in the House. We have families and friends in the Tlicho community who are all watching and listening to us. I am sure we are praying for the families. Although we are here today, we will support the families, remember them and have a prayer for them. Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize two Pages from Hay River South who have been working in the Chamber for us all week. They are two fine gentlemen, Ethan Schofield and Matthew Lafferty. Say hello to them if you get a chance to. Thank you.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Mr. McLeod.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize a constituent of Inuvik Twin Lakes and president of the Nihtat Gwich’in Council, Mr. Jozef Carnogursky. Welcome to the Chamber.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Mr. Moses .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, too, would like to recognize Mr. Jozef Carnogursky, president of Nihtat Gwich’in Council, a long-time friend and I really appreciate the work he’s done for the Gwich’in people up in Inuvik and the region and being a strong advocate for the people up in that region. Welcome, Jozef. I hope you enjoy the proceedings. Thank you.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . Mr. Yakeleya .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I would also like to recognize the elder from Deline First Nation government, Mr. Andrew John Kenny. Andrew John Kenny mentioned to me yesterday, he said he thoroughly enjoys the Assembly, listening to the people going back and forth.

“It’s a real good

meeting you guys are having,

” he said. “Too bad I

didn’t get in there.” But he’s watching, so I have to watch the election close. Thank you.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Mr. Ramsay .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to recognize all the work of the Pages we have working for us here who have been working this session. We have a Page from Kam Lake, Ms. Hayley Barry. I appreciate all her hard work. I also want to recognize a long-time friend and former chief of the community of Deline, Andrew John Kenny,

welcome to the House, as well as Mr. Carnogursky. Good to see you here today.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Mr. Hawkins .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Like my colleagues, I wish to recognize all the Pages, most particularly the Pages from Mildred Hall who are representing us today. Specifically I would like to recognize a constituent. I believe her name is Genzi Zhang. Thank you for your work. I am glad to have all Pages here. It’s a great opportunity for all. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . I would like to welcome everybody here in the public gallery. Thank you for taking in the proceedings. Item 6, acknowledgements. Item 7, oral questions. Mr. Bromley .

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Question 898-17(5): Comprehensive GNWT Agriculture Policy

Oral Questions

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are for Minister Ramsay today. I scanned the list of documents to be tabled this session, but I was disappointed not to see the promised Agriculture

Strategy listed. We haven’t even had a

whiff of a draft, in spite of it being promised by the end of this summer, long past.

This strategy, an intended action plan, has been called for by the citizens of the Northwest Territories for decades. With only days effectively left to deal with this, can the Minister tell me when we can expect to see a draft of this long-awaited strategy? Mahsi.

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Question 898-17(5): Comprehensive GNWT Agriculture Policy

Oral Questions

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . Minister Ramsay .

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Question 898-17(5): Comprehensive GNWT Agriculture Policy

Oral Questions

David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We’ve had some great forward momentum when it comes to agriculture here In the Northwest Territories.

We’ve

advanced

the

sector

tremendously. We have a What We Heard document from consultations we’ve had with the public and stakeholders around the territory. We will be tabling that report in the House during this sitting. Thank you.

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Question 898-17(5): Comprehensive GNWT Agriculture Policy

Oral Questions

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

That’s good news. In the absence

of a logical strategy, people have been pursing agriculture on their own, wrestling with volatile and inconsistent support and often barriers from this government. They have a lot of experience to share and they are hoping the government will actually hear them.

What consultative process is the Minister engaged in or was the Minister engaged in to hear from the

people regarding a comprehensive NWT agricultural policy? Mahsi.

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Question 898-17(5): Comprehensive GNWT Agriculture Policy

Oral Questions

David Ramsay

Kam Lake

We had a tremendous amount of positive feedback from around the Northwest Territories. In talking with stakeholders, people were involved in the agricultural sector here in the NWT. We believe we had a consultative approach. As I said, we will be tabling the What We Heard report in the House probably sometime next week. The Member can see for himself who we talked to and what we are going to focus on. Thank you.

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Question 898-17(5): Comprehensive GNWT Agriculture Policy

Oral Questions

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thanks to the Minister. Agriculture policy is important to the future of sustainable local economies and food security for the communities in the North. If our people are to achieve the optimum level of self-sufficiency, the Economic Strategy must contain a comprehensive agricultural policy.

Is this promised agricultural policy a priority for this government given we are just hearing What We Heard and not a policy or is this another case of this government paying lip service to the sustainable localized economic development communities require while pursuing fossil fuel which should remain in the ground, for example? Mahsi.

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Question 898-17(5): Comprehensive GNWT Agriculture Policy

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

I agree with the Member that this is a very important sector of our economy. I do take issue with some of the Member’s overtures that we are just paying lip service and that we are taking our time. Mr. Speaker, this is important to us. As I mentioned, we are going to come forward with the What We Heard report. We initially formed the basis of a draft Agriculture Strategy for the Northwest Territories.

This is too important to be rushed through. We are taking our time. We are listening to people and stakeholders around the Northwest Territories to ensure that we get this right because it is such a valuable component to our economic well-being as we move this territory forward. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Bromley .

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Question 898-17(5): Comprehensive GNWT Agriculture Policy

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Again amazing context here between what’s real now on the ground and able to give us dividends versus the theoretical fossil fuel pursuit that gives us nothing. Given the need to diversify our economies and lessen reliance on boom and bust industries like that, our need for local sustainable jobs and food security, when will such a policy be in place? Mahsi.

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Question 898-17(5): Comprehensive GNWT Agriculture Policy

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

I don’t have a crystal ball.

I’m not sure who’s going to be back and who’s going to be in whic

h position, but it’s safe to say, early in

the life of the next government the Agriculture Strategy will be put forward to the 18th Legislative

Assembly and debated by Members of that government. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 899-17(5): Child Care Services In The Sahtu Region

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In my Member’s statement I talked about grandparents, single parents and people who want to go to work. One of the issues in Norman Wells and Colville Lake, ironically Norman Wells is an oil-driven economy and Colville Lake is a resource economy based on harvesting and trapping.

What can this government do to help young people with a daycare centre? How can we get those doors open? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 899-17(5): Child Care Services In The Sahtu Region

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker, We do have daycare facilities across the Northwest Territories. I know we need to improve certain areas. We have been working in the Member’s riding. We currently have three licenced early childhood programs in the Sahtu region. Obviously, Members are requesting additions to that as well.

Fort Good Hope has a daycare; Tulita, child development; and Deline has a pre-school. These are some of the areas where we have established early childhood centres. We continue to improve in those areas.

My staff, my department is more than willing to meet with leadership and stakeholders to develop these centres because we do have funding available. Those are some of the discussions we are currently having. Mahsi.

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Question 899-17(5): Child Care Services In The Sahtu Region

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

The Minister talked about the daycare centres and I appreciate the ones in Fort Good Hope, Tulita and Deline. I want to focus on Norman Wells and Colville Lake. If the funding is there, I want to ask the Minister if he can give me a commitment that prior to the writ being dropped that his staff will initiate meetings in Colville Lake and Norman Wells to act on this funding so that the daycare centres can be opened and these young people can go to work and go to school. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

In 2015, obviously these are discussions we’ve been having with Norman Wells to develop programs. My staff are working with community members from the Sahtu region, more particularly in Norman Wells, to open a licenced early childhood program within the Sahtu region as well.

Just last month the Norman Wells Land Corporation met with ECE and is considering establishing a daycare. Those are discussions we’ve been having

and we are making progress in that respect, Mr. Speaker. Mahsi.

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Question 899-17(5): Child Care Services In The Sahtu Region

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

I do want to thank the staff in Norman Wells and the willingness of the Norman Wells Land Corporation to initiate this meeting with the Education, Culture and Employment department. I appreciate that, Mr. Speaker. I want to ask now if the Minister would redirect his focus and attention to Colville Lake where they also need a daycare centre. There are lots of young families there also willing to look at this initiative.

Will the Minister take a leap of faith and ask his staff to go to Colville Lake and look at ways they can bring solutions to establish a daycare centre for young parents, young people in Colville Lake before the writ is dropped?

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Question 899-17(5): Child Care Services In The Sahtu Region

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

This particular issue is not new to my department. My department has been working very closely with the community and has provided funding over the past several years with respect to the summer preschool programming. Just recently Colville Lake residents have expressed an interest in having licenced daycare programming, so at this point my department is working with Colville to identify suitable space availability in the community. So, we’re doing everything we can to push that forward and I’m hoping we’ll see some progress in expeditious timing. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 899-17(5): Child Care Services In The Sahtu Region

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 899-17(5): Child Care Services In The Sahtu Region

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In the Northwest Territories there are eight health centres without full-

time nurses. That’s a fact. Another fact:

there are 11 communities without full-time RCMP members in that community. There are eight daycare centres that are not operating in the communities in the Northwest Ter

ritories. I’m just pointing out two in

my region, Colville Lake and Norman Wells.

I want to ask the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , seeing that we have two, can the Minister instruct the staff to work tirelessly to ensure that nobody else in Colville Lake has their doors open for daycare centre prior to let’s give a time date of Christmas, so the parents in those two communities can have a Christmas present?

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Obviously, we would like to see a child development centre established in those two respective communities. My department, again, is working very closely with the community to have that established and ready to go. So, we’re working with community leadership to make that happen and it’s just a matter of finding that suitable space in Colville Lake and also working very closely with Norman Wells, the corporation that has shown interest, and we want to move forward on that. So, we’re doing everything we can as a department. We need to push that forward as best of our ability with our parties involved. Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 900-17(5): Disclosure Of Private Health Care Information To Approved Contacts

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The question I have today is for the Minister of Health and Social Services, and it may seem like a small issue, but it’s a very important issue when a family is in crisis and a loved one is in the care of a health care facility.

So, I’d like to ask the Minister of Health and Social Services if he is aware of a policy that would guide a health

care

professional

person

administration when answering an inquiry about the condition of a patient. Let me give you an example. I recently had a constituent who was in the hospital who was nearing end of life, and her son called from another jurisdiction to inquire about his mother’s condition. When the person speaking on the phone checked the list

– which I wasn’t aware there was

such a thing

– this individual’s name was not on the

list, so they were notified, I’m sorry, your name is not on the approved list of people we can discuss your mother’s condition with. I’m bringing this up today because I know it seems like a small thing that I could just as easily ask you personally, but I want other people to be aware of it, too, who may be listening. If people are required to have a list of approved contacts when they are a patient in the hospital, it is very important for them to know that, because, like I say, the family could be in great strife or stress.

I’d like to ask the Minister, is he aware of the policy of the health care facilities with respect to providing information to people calling to inquire about family members. Thank you.

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Question 900-17(5): Disclosure Of Private Health Care Information To Approved Contacts

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Minister of Health , Mr. Abernethy .

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Question 900-17(5): Disclosure Of Private Health Care Information To Approved Contacts

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In the health care system, privacy and privacy rights is an incredibly important factor in providing services, and effective today we have the Health Information Act that actually guides our ability to share information. It indicates when we can share the information and also indicates when we can’t share information. Prior to today we were bound by ATIPP.

So, when it comes to health privacy and those types of concerns, I would strongly encourage you and I would strongly encourage all Members to make sure that when individuals are in the health care system, they are very clear and articulate who can and can’t receive information, and who can be told that som

ebody is in a particular facility. But if we don’t

have that information, we can’t and we won’t share people’s personal information. So, as of today’s

Health Information Act, it went live today, prior to that it was ATIPP. Thank you.

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Question 900-17(5): Disclosure Of Private Health Care Information To Approved Contacts

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

For the benefit of patients and patient’s families, then, is there a protocol or any requirement on the part of people in admitting or people who are in administration on the front desk of a health care facility to advise a patient or a patient’s family that this list needs to be articulated and held by the people who might be in a position to give out information on that patient’s condition?

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Prior to the actual implementation and the go-live date of the Health Information Act, and recognizing that we have eight health authorities here in the Northwest Territories who have all of their own operational procedures and protocols within the instit

utions, I can’t say for sure

that there was one policy for all authorities.

Moving forward with the system transformation, we will be able to have consistent standards that are clearly articulated and informed by the Health Information Act moving forward.

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Question 900-17(5): Disclosure Of Private Health Care Information To Approved Contacts

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

I would further just like to ask the Minister, then, if he would ensure that there is consistency across the health authorities going forward and some mechanism that would remind patients or families of the need that if they want the information to be made available that they have to grant that authority or that approval in some form, maybe attached to the admission form, or some way, so that we don’t end up in the situation where someone is wanting to find out about something, which they rightfully probably should know and their parent or their loved one may want them to know.

Can we make sure that there is a formal system-wide process attached to this so that people are fully aware of it?

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Question 900-17(5): Disclosure Of Private Health Care Information To Approved Contacts

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

It’s a great idea and I

will certainly share that information with the department and ask them to ensure that we have mechanisms to ensure that our patients are adequately informed about their privacy rights and their information rights, and to encourage them to include people who should be involved or be aware of their files, particularly family.

This will be a lot easier moving forward with one system as opposed to multiple systems, and this is the type of conversation I know that the professional staff that we have working on amalgamation have been having.

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Question 900-17(5): Disclosure Of Private Health Care Information To Approved Contacts

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . Final, short supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could that also include provision for a patient to designate someone other than themselves as a decision-maker to work with the health care providers to make sure that list is comprehensive? So if the patients themselves are not capable of

providing that information, if they could be asked to confirm a designated decision-maker who could provide that list for the patient?

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

I know that with the new proposed Mental Health Act we actually have that provision in the legislation to designate an alternative decision-maker. As far as patients not covered under the Mental Health Act or the future Mental Health Act, I’m not actually sure, but I will check and I will get back to the Member.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Blake .

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Question 901-17(5): Mackenzie Delta Elders Facilities

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In follow-up to my Member’s statement, I have two questions for the Minister of Housing . As the Minister recalls from his visits to the community of Aklavik, when we had the old Joe Greenland Centre we’d have a place set out in front, a small deck where elders usually sat, whether it was during the spring, summer, fall. With this new facility, a great facility, as I mentioned, but one thing, I’m not sure if it was due to our budget, but they didn’t build much of a deck on each side of the Joe Greenland Centre.

I’d like to ask the Minister, will the department build a deck on each side of the Joe Greenland Centre where elders can gather?

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Blake . The Minister of Housing , Mr. McLeod.

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is a great facility in Aklavik and I was glad to be part of the opening. We still have a bit of work to do in the front of the building. We have some landscaping and that to do. I think that’s going to be t

aken care of next summer, I believe. I’m not sure

about the deck. I would have to check to see if there is an opportunity in the future to put a larger deck on there.

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

I thank the Minister. My next questions are on the new facility in Fort McPhe

rson. I’d like to

ask the Minister, how was the location of the elders home in Fort McPherson selected? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Mr. Speaker, we had some land that was available. I believe we did some consultation with the community. There were no issues raised at the time, so we determined the location of the new seniors centre.

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

My next question is: Why was the project on hold this summer for over a month? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Mr. Speaker, I’ll have to

follow up on that. I understand there may have been some issues there. I’m not quite sure what the issues were, but I will follow up and share with the Member

some of the information that I receive. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final, short supplementary, Mr. Blake .

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Question 901-17(5): Mackenzie Delta Elders Facilities

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I drove by the location, I noticed there hasn’t really been very much work done there. There are no supplies on the site that are ready to start building.

I’d like to ask the Minister, will the Minister direct his department to work with the elders in the community to select a location for the new elders facility? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

The piles are already in. We did some consultation with the community. We didn’t get any feedback, so we determined that that would be the location.

As far as the number of piles go, again, I will ask for an update and find out where we’re at with that. But it will be awfully expensive now to change the location.

They’d have to wait a little longer for their

facility. But I will get all the information and share it with the Member for Mackenzie Delta .

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Question 901-17(5): Mackenzie Delta Elders Facilities

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 902-17(5): Draft Conservation Plan

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are addressed to the Minister of Environment and Natural Resources . About I think three weeks ago now, ENR had put out a draft Conservation P

lan and it was done in conjunction…

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Question 902-17(5): Draft Conservation Plan

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It was done in conjunction with the Protected Areas Strategy, which has been in the process, in development since 1999, so that’s a very long process. It’s been many years of work and also many partners involved in the Prote

cted Areas Strategy. I’d like to ask the Minister

some questions about this draft Conservation Plan which came out, what some of the changes are, what it is intending for our territory, in terms of conservation.

I’d like to know first of all from the Minister, I know that we have lands right now which currently prohibit any and all forms of industrial development. I’d like to know from the Minister if he can give what percentage of our total lands area are currently prohibited from development. Thank you.

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Question 902-17(5): Draft Conservation Plan

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . Minister of Environment

and

Natural

Resources,

Mr.

Miltenberger.

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Question 902-17(5): Draft Conservation Plan

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I can give the Member a number for all the land that is current and proposed, including Thaidene Nene and areas that have been worked on

since 1999, keeping in mind that the proposed areas in all probability will end up shrinking as the final footprint is determined, but that percentage is 14 percent of the land mass. Thank you.

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Question 902-17(5): Draft Conservation Plan

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thanks to the Minister. I need to ask the Minister, there was a press release from the NWT and Nunavut Chamber of Mines just yesterday, actually. It states:

“According to the mine recorder’s

office, 32 percent of the NWT is off limits to staking and exploration. That figure includes lands for parks, interim land claim withdrawals and protected areas.

Can the Minister explain the difference between the 32 percent that the Chamber of Mines is talking about and the 14 percent that he just quoted? Thank you.

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Question 902-17(5): Draft Conservation Plan

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, the core protected or protected areas are those areas that would be permanently withdrawn from industrial

commercial

development,

like

the

proposed Thaidene Nene area for the federal and territorial footprints of Nahanni Park, part of Wood Buffalo that’s there, Edaezhe and the Ramparts and those types of things. That number all in is at 14 percent.

The other lands where there’s conservation designation, we have a Parks Act, for example, that has six levels of park. Five of those levels of park permit activity, commercial activity, permanent activity, so could include industrial development. That would account for the relating percentages. Thank you.

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Question 902-17(5): Draft Conservation Plan

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thanks again to the Minister. So, we’re talking 14 percent that is going to be totally prohibited, but there’s another percentage which is going to allow some development. I’m wondering if the Minister could try to advise me and the public what’s going to be allowed in this other percentage. I think it’s 20 percent, is what I’m advised, another 20 percent that is going to allow development.

What sort of developments or lack of developments will be allowed? What kind of conservation are we imposing on this other 20 percent of our lands? Thank you.

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Question 902-17(5): Draft Conservation Plan

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, what is permanent will depend on the circumstances of the particular area. It has to be appropriate, depending on what kind of conservation designation there is outside of the protected area designation. But it does include all the areas on the map.

The Member stated, for example, 1999 Protected Areas Strategy. All the land that’s on that map that is designated to be protected is all the land that is projected to have any kind of conservation designation far into the future. There’s no new land on there. There’s land that’s been identified now since 1999. Some of it is yet to be determined, the final designation, but we know some, like the Ramparts or Edhzhie, the request is that there be a

park there, a protected area. The others will have a range of different kinds of designations. It could be a cultural area; it could be a wildlife area; it could be just an area of some significance that has some designation. If there is some activity that’s found within that area, then we will collectively look at what it is and how does it fit, what kind of community support there is, but the door would be open to have that kind of discussion. Unlike Nahanni National Park or Edaezhe, once it’s fully withdrawn, or the Thaidene Nene footprint area.

I would also point out, as we talk about this land, we have a very, very significant piece of land

- 44,000 square kilometres of land

– that has been under

interim protection for decades, tied up in land claims. As we commit ourselves to concluding land claims, when we do that will free up very, very high potential areas for potential development that could be contemplated by Aboriginal governments, industry and the territorial government. Thank you.

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Question 902-17(5): Draft Conservation Plan

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final, short supplementary, Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 902-17(5): Draft Conservation Plan

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to thank the Minister, as well, for his explanation. As we go forward, the Protected Areas Strategy has been in place for a very long time. As the Minister says, the areas in that Protected Areas Strategy will continue to go forward. But this draft Conservation Strategy I gather takes the place of the Protected Areas Strategy. It’s got a new name. Who’s going to be involved in dealing with this draft Conservation Strategy as we go forward? I presume there are partners. Could the Minister advise us who they are? Thank you.

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Question 902-17(5): Draft Conservation Plan

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, we’ve put this document forward for consultation and we’ve extended the consultation period to, I believe, October 19th , at which time we will put it in a box,

basically, and we’ll include it with the transition document for consideration in the 18th Assembly,

which will include all the feedback we get.

This document is basically post-devolution. The Northwest Territories has taken over the Protected Areas Strategy and has rebranded it and packaged it and is putting is out as a Northern Conservation Action Plan.

There is a process that we’re going to continue on with from the Protected Areas Strategy, and has been since 1999, a working group that includes representatives from all the different sectors of the economy and the territory, industry and business and communities, environmental groups, that type of thing that are part of the process and will continue to be part of that process as we move forward to provide oversight and work on the various areas that have been designated, some of them for literally decades now. Thank you.

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Question 902-17(5): Draft Conservation Plan

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 903-17(5): Housing Program Co-Payments

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I just want to ask some questions of the Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation. Earlier today I spoke in my Member’s statement about the repair and renovation programs that are available to all residents of the NWT, but most particularly my concern is about our seniors, those on pensions, and our disabled. There’s the co- pay component on the majority of our programming, and in my experience I’ve seen that in the small and r

emote communities people don’t have access to

$500 that they’re required to co-pay on. I’d like to ask the Minister responsible, has his department looked at this? Have these concerns been raised to his department with respect to reducing or, if not, eliminating and taking care of our seniors and those who are disabled with this housing program? Thank you.

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Question 903-17(5): Housing Program Co-Payments

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation , Mr. McLeod.

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Question 903-17(5): Housing Program Co-Payments

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We do have the new co-pay program and a lot of folks have done very well with it. However, we do recognize the Member’s concern with some of the challenges that are faced with our seniors and those with disabilities. So I will commit to the Member that we will go back and do an assessment and revisit and maybe make some adjustments to the seniors and those who are disabled, people who are living on fixed incomes. Thank you.

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Question 903-17(5): Housing Program Co-Payments

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much. I know that when I first began in the Assembly with the 15th Assembly, we did have a specific seniors or elders housing program which spoke to giving relief for those kind of things. I’m wondering if the Minister is willing to look at it in that perspective in identifying specific seniors or elders repair programs. Thank you.

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Question 903-17(5): Housing Program Co-Payments

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

We have a number of programs within the NWT Housing Corporation that the uptake in the programs is from the seniors themselves. We have the Mobility Policy now where we work with those who have mobility issues and we have a number of programs designed for seniors. We have the Preventative Maintenance Program. So, we have a number of programs. A couple of them are designed specifically for seniors and those with mobility issues, and we also have, as far as our CARE program goes, the greater percentage is taken by seniors. Thank you.

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Question 903-17(5): Housing Program Co-Payments

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much. Yes, just with the co-

pay component, I’m just wondering what

kind of timing does the Minister expect in looking at and reviewing that particula

r guideline that’s in our

programming currently. Thank you.

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Question 903-17(5): Housing Program Co-Payments

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you. We will start looking at it immediately and the work has already begun. We do recognize there are some challenges that the disabled and seniors are facing, those who are on fixed income, with the co-pay portion of it. So we have begun looking at that and we will see how soon we can get that work completed. Thank you.

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Question 903-17(5): Housing Program Co-Payments

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final, short supplementary, Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 903-17(5): Housing Program Co-Payments

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I’m pleased that they’ll look at it here right away. Like I said in my Member’s statement, a particular case is an elder needs his water tank replaced and in that case he cannot come up with the $1,200, but it’s a need for that elder and his family. Water and cleanliness is one of our basic needs. So, I appreciate the Minister looking at that immediately and if he can, once again, to look at it and review certain situations. Thank you.

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Question 903-17(5): Housing Program Co-Payments

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Yes, as I committed before and I’ll commit again, we will have a look at it and continue to try and improve our programs as we have done for the last number of years with the help of this Legislative Assembly. So, we will continue to try, not try, we will continue to improve our programs and help those seniors, those with mobility issues, the disabled and all those who are in need the best we can. Thank you.

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Question 903-17(5): Housing Program Co-Payments

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The Member for Hay River North , Mr. Bouchard .

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Question 904-17(5) Great Slave Lake Fishery

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Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As a follow-

up to my statement on the fishery, I’ll have

questions for the Minister of ITI .

I guess my first question will be: I know we’ve had a successful summer, but does the Minister have the actual production numbers and some of the update on where we are with the current fish plant? Thank you.

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Question 904-17(5) Great Slave Lake Fishery

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bouchard . The Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 904-17(5) Great Slave Lake Fishery

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A vitalization strategy and business plan have been developed to help ensure the longevity and the health of the fishery, the commercial fishery on Great Slave Lake. The Member highlighted a number of areas where the government has worked very hard at the revitalization of the commercial fishery. We continue to push forward. There’s a new fishing cooperative in Hay River. We’ve approached the federal government on a number of occasions, both the Minister of Fisheries and Oceans, Ms. Shea, and also CanNor. We haven’t had any success on getting a response from the federal government on our request.

As the Member mentioned, and others have mentioned, there’s an election coming up soon. We will have a better understanding of the government in Ottawa after that election takes place.

I can let the Member and Members know that the $1.5 million we have earmarked for the fish plant in Hay River is something we feel very strongly about. If we can’t get investment from the federal government

moving

forward

with

the

development of that export grade fish plant, we will be seeking some type of private equity, private investment in that facility so it can move ahead. We can’t wait forever for the federal government. Thank you.

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Question 904-17(5) Great Slave Lake Fishery

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Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

Thank you. My next question would be about that federal government influence. Have we been talking to our current MP candidates going forward to make sure that they know it’s on their priorities? I know I’ve written a letter, but has the Minister, has Cabinet made that a priority to those candidates? Thank you.

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Question 904-17(5) Great Slave Lake Fishery

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

We continue to talk about the importance of the commercial fishery to the Northwest Territories economy. It is a shadow of its former self. The numbers are better this year and I will commit to the Member and Members of the House to get the most recent numbers to them. The Member cited between 30 and 40 percent increase in production. We’ve seen some new fishermen get out on the lake taking

part in the fishery.

As I mentioned in my previous response, we can’t wait foreve

r for the federal government. If they don’t

make a move and support us on moving forward with the fish plant in Hay River, there are other ways to get that investment into Hay River and make this a reality. Thank you.

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Question 904-17(5) Great Slave Lake Fishery

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Robert Bouchard

Hay River