Debates of Feb. 4th, 1998

This is page numbers 535 - 571 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Lahm Ridge Tower Lease

Construction Trades For Women

Intentional Damage To Gas Tanks

Timeframe For Establishing The Decentralized Nunavut Government

Yellowknife Office Space Lease Arrangements

Seniors' Fuel Subsidies

Rae-edzo Municipal Funding Inequities

Tribute To Apprentices And Tradesmen

Broughton Island Breakwater Project

Health Care Regionalization Concerns

Communication Shortfalls

Lahm Ridge Tower Lease

Health Care Regionalization Concerns

Status As A Nunavut Land Claim Beneficiary

Health Care Regionalization Concerns

Tribute To City Of Yellowknife Administrator Doug Lagore

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Trip To London And Antwerp

Discussions For Purchases Of Government Buildings

Tabling Of Lahm Ridge Tower Lease

Seniors' Fuel Subsidy Zones

Fur Shipped Through Canada Post

Completion Of Breakwater Project In Broughton Island

Release Of Lahm Ridge Tower Lease

Timely Responses From Ministers

Sale And Lease Arrangements Of Lahm Ridge Tower

Certification Of NWT Hospitals

Community Access Roads And Bridges

Time Of Lahm Ridge Lease Signing

Concerns With Policing In Small Communities

Affordability Of Pay Equity Resolution

Western Harvester Assistance Program

Review Of NWT Medical Association Brief

Addressing NWT Health Delivery Concerns

Written Question 7-13(5): Victims Services In The Nwt

Tabled Document 31-13(5): Minister's Trip Report, London - Antwerp January 5-9, 1998

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Honourable Don Morin , Honourable Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable Manitok Thompson , Honourable John Todd .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 535

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen. Good afternoon. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Morin .

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Minister's Statement 40-13(5): Lahm Ridge Tower Lease

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to tell you that I am fed up with the speculation and innuendo which is being repeated in this building, in the press and on the street about the Lahm Ridge Tower lease.

This is damaging the reputation of not only myself as your Premier but the Cabinet and the Legislature as a whole. It is also damaging and disrespectful to senior managers in the Government of the Northwest Territories and private citizens and it is untrue.

First, Mr. Speaker, I categorically deny any wrong doing or interference in the Lahm Ridge Tower lease by myself, my Cabinet colleagues and by my deputy ministers.

--Applause

Second the lease extension was and is a good deal for this government. But you know this, all the information has been put on the table. The Minister of Public Works and Services has tabled a chronology of events regarding the Lahm Ridge Tower office lease in this Assembly. The Minister and deputy minister of Public Works and Services have been candid and forthright in responding to questions on this issue. Despite this, rumours and innuendo continue to flow.

Finally, Mr. Speaker, we do have a process to deal with citizen's concerns about conflict of interest. I challenge the Member from Hay River or anyone else who may believe there is wrong doing to file a complaint against me with the Conflict of Interest Commissioner, that is if they have the guts and political backbone. If not, let us get on with the business of good government. Thank you.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 40-13(5): Lahm Ridge Tower Lease

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Morin . I would like to remind the Ministers to stick to their statements that they have filed and not stray away from what you have actually filed. Thank you. Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 41-13(5): Construction Trades For Women

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. Mr. Speaker, as part of celebrations for the Northwest Territories first official Apprenticeship Week, I would like to announce yet another first - the beginning of a new project called Construction Trades for Women.

Construction Trades for Women is a pilot project to introduce young women in the Yellowknife area to careers in construction technologies. The pilot project is a partnership initiative sponsored by North of Sixty Women in Trades and Technology. This project also has the support of the NWT Status of Women Council, the two Yellowknife school boards, Human Resources Development Canada, BHP, the NWT Chamber of Mines, the NWT Construction Association and the Department of Education, Culture and Employment.

Mr. Speaker, 24 young women in grades 10 and 11 will spend two years learning about the construction trades. The project consists of after-school training in various skills such as carpentry, plumbing as well as computer-assisted design. The courses are taught by Melanie Ridgely, who was one of the NWT's top graduating apprentices in 1995, as well as the winner of Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation's 1995 Woman Construction Apprentice of the Year Award.

Trades provide excellent opportunities for a lifelong career. The Construction Trades for Women project is an excellent start for these young women who wish to pursue careers in this area. On behalf of my colleagues, I wish them every success. Thank you.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 41-13(5): Construction Trades For Women

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Member's Statement 147-13(5): Intentional Damage To Gas Tanks

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last week during my Member's statement, I recognized and congratulated my constituents' achievements. I would now like to make a statement about something new that has been happening and is very serious and can have serious criminal implications attached to it. This may be something new, however, there have been a number of occasions where people have been putting sugar into gas tanks of skidoos and vehicles and this destroys motors. It is very expensive when this happens and can be very dangerous for operators of boats.

If that happens while boaters are out hunting in the ocean, it can become very dangerous out in the open sea. I would prefer to call this action serious under the Criminal Code, but I also realize there is no law to deal with people who do this, just like there is no law to deal with people who sniff substances.

Mr. Speaker, I am not sure which Minister I should question regarding this issue. I would like to work with my honourable colleagues as to how we can make laws to deal with people who commit acts of this sort instead of waiting for something serious to happen. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

--Applause

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Member's Statement 147-13(5): Intentional Damage To Gas Tanks

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. O'Brien .

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Member's Statement 148-13(5): Timeframe For Establishing The Decentralized Nunavut Government

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, with the division of the territories approximately 13 months away or 421 days, I believe it is time to put personal differences aside and concentrate all our collective energies on what is best for the people who we are elected to represent. Mr. Speaker, I have some serious reservations about the decentralized model of government for Nunavut that has been agreed to by all the signatories including the GNWT, NTI and the federal government. I clearly understand that the concept of a decentralized model has been approved and accepted. I strongly support it. My concern, Mr. Speaker, is what is the timing or

schedule for these jobs and positions to be relocated or transferred to the smaller communities such as Arviat and Baker Lake? Mr. Speaker, I am very certain that the majority of the people, the residents of Nunavut, believe that the long awaited jobs that have been promised with the coming of Nunavut will arrive in the next year or so.

Mr. Speaker, the timing of these jobs is further complicated by the delay in construction for example, of housing units in my home community of Arviat. Mr. Speaker, this can only slow down the process for these transfers and decentralization. Mr. Speaker, most of the residents of Nunavut, especially the elders have waited a lifetime for Nunavut and the associated benefits such as these much needed jobs. Mr. Speaker, I will close by saying we must make every hour count leading up to April 1, 1999 and ensure that all residents know what to expect and most importantly, when to expect it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 148-13(5): Timeframe For Establishing The Decentralized Nunavut Government

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Krutko .

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Member's Statement 149-13(5): Yellowknife Office Space Lease Arrangements

Item 3: Members' Statements

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My statement today is in regard to the question of fairness and opening the area around Yellowknife to other aboriginal organizations to look at the possibility of acquiring real estate in Yellowknife and also having the ability to lease back that space to this government. Mr.

Speaker, I am talking about two organizations in general, the Dene Development Corporation and the Gwich'in Development Corporation, who have made several inquiries into certain real estate transactions in this city in regard to Lahm Ridge Tower, the Laing Building, the Stuart Hodgson Building and other real estate opportunities they are presently looking at. Mr. Speaker, in regard to the comments in this House in reference to the Lahm Ridge Tower, I think the aboriginal groups have made it clear that they will not settle for anything less.

Mr. Speaker, regarding the organizations I speak of in which the Laing Building has been one of the real estate transactions they have been working on for a number of years, the Gwich'in Development Corporation have been looking at it for the last two years. Since then the Dene Development Corporation has taken on looking and purchasing such properties and also the possibility of becoming active in the real estate market in Yellowknife. They are involved in allowing themselves to compete in this market and be able to acquire leases from this government. Mr.

Speaker, at the appropriate time I will be asking the Minister of Public Works questions about these leases and why has it taken them so long and why was the Lahm Ridge Tower deal was done in such a short period. Thank you.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 149-13(5): Yellowknife Office Space Lease Arrangements

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Members' statements. Mr. Roland

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Member's Statement 150-13(5): Seniors' Fuel Subsidies

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I would like to speak on the issue of seniors' fuel subsidies. Mr. Speaker, it has been some time since there has been heated debate in this Assembly about the issue of seniors' fuel subsidy. I would like to bring it back to this forum in a different area. Once the Minister had reinstated the seniors' fuel subsidy, I believe they did it around the food index as to which communities would be categorized in the different zones. The community of Inuvik was put into zone one. That concerns me, Mr.

Speaker, for the simple reason that Inuvik is much farther north than any other communities in zone one. The cost of living is higher than the other communities in zone one. For example, this is, according to the 1991 census, the family weekly food costs in Inuvik were $199.00, Hay River $155.00, Yellowknife $163.00. By those numbers alone, I guess my

question later on will be what entails the food costs? If you are a senior in the Northwest Territories and you own your own home, that means you have to pay for your own power, your own water and your own fuel. So there is a lot of issues here that are not calculated into the costs. As I have said in this House before, the costs in the community I represent have gone up extremely high in the last year especially.

So I would like to know and I will be asking the Minister responsible on the reasoning for Inuvik being in zone one where there are many communities that have a lower cost of living, have shorter winter seasons and I believe a lower total overall cost of living. So at the proper time I will be asking questions to the appropriate Minister. Thank you.

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Member's Statement 150-13(5): Seniors' Fuel Subsidies

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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Member's Statement 151-13(5): Rae-edzo Municipal Funding Inequities

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I rise in this House asking myself what does it take? What does it take to get the Department of MACA to realize there is a serious problem with funding in the community of Rae-Edzo. As my colleagues may recall, last week I gave an example of the funding problems Rae-Edzo is having. Also myself and my colleague, Mr. Ootes , asked the Minister responsible for MACA regarding this and were told the department staff were coming up with a solution. Today, Mr. Speaker, I was told that the solution is that there is no problem. To that I would like to give two more examples.

Firstly, I would like to compare the community of Fort Providence in regard to the culverts funded under the hamlet funding formula. Fort Providence, a very nice community only a two and a half hour drive from my home, with a population of 674 receives $56,364 per year for culverts and streetlights. While in Rae-Edzo, a population of 1,615 receives from the same department $30,084. This seems a little strange.

The reason for this difference is because Rae-Edzo has very few culverts. The reason Rae-Edzo has so few culverts is because Rae-Edzo does not have proper roads and streets, with the number of culverts that we have, being 4 inch to 8 inch pipe, not real culverts. Our roads are not roads, we have something close to being called trails.

Every spring the hamlet staff of four works very hard to ensure spring run off drains properly. However, because we do not have the proper drainage, the staff works two or three weeks pumping water across the trails and digging drainage ditches in these very trails we drive on to ensure some form of drainage occurs. This is not a new problem, it has been this way since the hamlet was incorporated back in 1971.

My second example is the dump trucks the hamlet has. The only funded dump truck is the standard government issue with a box that holds approximately two to three yards. The hamlet also has a 1980 vintage surplus US Army DEW Line dump truck. This truck was purchased by the hamlet with the blessing and encouragement of MACA and is not a funded vehicle. This same truck has now cost the hamlet $25,000 in repairs to date and is still not in proper running order.

Mr. Speaker, I ask that I have unanimous consent to complete my Member's statement, please.

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Member's Statement 151-13(5): Rae-edzo Municipal Funding Inequities

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for North Slave is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Rabesca , you have unanimous consent.

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Member's Statement 151-13(5): Rae-edzo Municipal Funding Inequities

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I ask you, does this seem fair and equitable? It is my hope that this will finally show the Minister there is a serious problem in Rae-Edzo and that she will come up with a fair and equitable solution in the future. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Rabesca . Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Member's Statement 152-13(3): Tribute To Apprentices And Tradesmen

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As this week is Apprenticeship Week, I would like to rise to pay tribute to apprentices and of course, tradesmen. This is a week that has some special, personal significance for me. I have had the privilege for the last two and a half years, basically since we have been elected, of sitting next to my honourable colleague from Inuvik, who is a journeyman mechanic, a wrench-puller extraordinaire, from Inuvik and an all around swell guy as my Minister of Finance notes. I, as well, have the honour of being a journeyman carpenter, Mr. Speaker.

Clearly, tradesmen can be anything they want. Mr. Speaker, very clearly as a society we would be lost without tradesmen and apprentices. They build things, they fix things and they keep us going. Being an apprentice or tradesman is good work. It is valuable work and it is honourable work. In our territory, soon to be two territories, those kinds of skills are now needed more than ever. They have my full congratulations. They are a fine bunch of guys and women. Thank you.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 152-13(3): Tribute To Apprentices And Tradesmen

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Members' statements. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Member's Statement 153-13(5): Broughton Island Breakwater Project

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker and good afternoon. Mr. Speaker, the breakwater is important to the economy of Broughton Island. Mr. Speaker, the breakwater was set up to reduce the force of the waves and to provide a sheltered place for the community to dock their boats, but there is not enough space to safely dock all the boats at the existing breakwater. An extension of the current breakwater is needed.

The extension is part of a long-term plan to improve the fishing industry in Broughton Island. Fishing is an important part of the local economy. As in other remote northern communities, employment opportunities are hard to find. The local fishing industry in Broughton Island provides seasonal income to many people. Many people in the community may not have a source of earned income otherwise.

The first phase was to build the existing breakwater and this has been done. The extension is the second and final part of the breakwater project. It is time for the Department of Transportation to finish what they started, Mr. Speaker. The people of Broughton Island and I look forward to the prompt completion of the breakwater. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 153-13(5): Broughton Island Breakwater Project

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Member's Statement 154-13(5): Health Care Regionalization Concerns

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last night I had an opportunity, along with my fellow MLAs, to attend a presentation and discussion with four doctors as representatives of the NWT Medical Association on the issue of regionalization of health care in the north.

The doctors presented a written brief followed by a two and a half hour discussion. As was pointed out, there are advantages to regionalization but there are also tremendous disadvantages like fragmentation of fiscal and human resources and discrepancies in access to health care. The strong message last night was the NWT Medical Association has become increasingly concerned with the changes being made in the delivery of health care by the regional boards and the potential for destabilizing of the health care system.

Dr. David Butcher, president, said the most important resource of the system are the people working in it. It was stated that it has been the health care workers who have kept the system going. The health care workers are not being adequately supported in many cases by the boards.

Dr. Butcher spoke about the fact that economics is driving the system. He stressed the most important point was the quality of health care. He said there must be territory-wide standards and the need for leadership by the department in this area. Otherwise each health board goes in its own direction. He made reference to breast cancer as an example. Now each board sets standards and chooses what services to deliver, how to deliver it and who can do what in a region. He suggested what we needed to do is to ensure a plan is in place for appropriate training in clinics and hospitals with adequate supply of staff.

All institutions should be credentialized. Following that, all individuals should be credentialized.

Dr. Butcher said we are placing undue expectations on boards. They do not have a governance process in place. They do not have the critical mass of well-trained people. It was not the message of confidence in our system, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 154-13(5): Health Care Regionalization Concerns

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Steen .

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Member's Statement 155-13(5): Communication Shortfalls

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I rise to address the shortfalls in the government's communication strategy. Mr. Speaker, this government has spent millions in improving the communication strategy with this territory, including the use of satellite communication systems. Mr. Speaker, I had the opportunity to use some of this communication system such as the fax machine. I find it takes about a minute to fax a letter from the community of Tuktoyaktuk to Yellowknife. However, I faxed this letter to the Honourable Kelvin Ng , it was a Young Offenders Act issue.

I faxed the letter on the 14th of November and on the 26th of November he still was not aware of having received a letter. He finally responded on December 5th. I faxed the letter on November 14th to the Honourable Charles Dent on education issues. He had not yet received the letter on November 27th, but he responded on December 5th. November 19th I faxed a letter to the regional superintendent of Transportation regarding driver's exams. I took the trouble of copying the Minister to speed up the response. It obviously was a mistake on my part because I never got a response until February 2nd.

On January 27th, I hand delivered a letter to Mr. Ng 's desk. I still have not received a response. On January 27th, we hand delivered a letter to Mr. Arlooktoo . We received a response today. Thank you.

--Applause

Mr. Speaker, obviously we have addressed the problem of getting the letter in one minute from Tuk to Yellowknife. The communication problem seems to be from the fax machine to the Minister's desk. Perhaps I will ask the Honourable Premier if he might be able to speed up this response so all Member's could benefit. Thank you.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 155-13(5): Communication Shortfalls

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Member's Statement 156-13(5): Lahm Ridge Tower Lease

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to thank the Honourable Premier for his statement. Mr. Speaker, I would like to respond to the Premier 's statement. The speculation and innuendoes that are being repeated are being repeated in far more places than in this building and in the press. I am sorry if this innuendo is damaging to anyone's reputation because it should not be. Mr. Speaker, I did not create this situation that is being spoken out and questioned. I am merely trying to ask questions to clear up the perception that was out there, long before I started asking questions in this House.

Mr. Speaker, I have an obligation to raise the concerns and questions of my constituents in this House. I have tried to capture these concerns in my questions which I believe have been fair questions. The Premier states, "and it is untrue". What is untrue, Mr. Speaker? All of the events that have been questioned are real events. We have only been seeking details and further information. Maybe the lease extension was a good deal. We can still ask about it, can we not? It would be damaging to our reputation as elected officials if we did not respond to the concerns of our constituents. Finally, Mr.

Speaker, I want to ensure you that the Member from Hay River lacks no guts and in spite of being called to the Premier 's office, with the assistant deputy minister as the Premier 's witness. The Premier outlined that he would take appropriate action if I crossed the lines of impropriety in my search for answers. I still, Mr. Speaker, adhere to my fundamental right to ask respectful questions in this House and I will continue to do so.

--Applause

I also would like to inform the Premier that I have no intention of filing a conflict of interest complaint against anyone at this time. Thank you, Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 156-13(5): Lahm Ridge Tower Lease

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Member's Statement 157-13(5): Health Care Regionalization Concerns

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 539

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, last night, like Mr. Ootes said, I attended the briefing presented by the NWT Medical Association. Mr. Speaker, the president of the association, Dr. David Butcher, Dr. Jim Corkal, Dr. Angela Carruthers and Dr. John Shillington presented on behalf of the medical association.

The wide-ranging, free-wheeling discussion was, I believe, informative and opportune for the Members. The recurring theme throughout the meeting was what is happening with health care, recruitment, retention of staff and the medical services direction of the government. Mr. Speaker, we are politicians. We are not medical professionals. I think everyone in this House realizes there are concerns in the area of health.

As noted by the NWTMA, the advantages to the regionalization of services are increased responsiveness to local needs, local input into program development and local responsibility for the use of health care resources. The disadvantages of the regionalization process are the fragmentation of existing physical and human resources and disparities and access to health care. Currently the regionalization process has created a fear of loss of the quality of health care and a loss of public confidence in the health care system in general. Mr.

Speaker, later today, I will be questioning the Minister on some of these areas. Thank you.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Picco . Members' statements. Mr. Barnabas .

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Member's Statement 158-13(5): Status As A Nunavut Land Claim Beneficiary

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

--Applause

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .

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Member's Statement 159-13(5): Health Care Regionalization Concerns

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 539

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I too, rise today to speak about the health care system in the NWT. Mr. Speaker, I have been watching the Keewatin health issue for awhile now, listening and reading things. I had thought that it was a regional issue, but I now realize this could affect other areas as well, specifically this could happen in the west. I have read most of a report from the Nurses Association on attracting personnel to the NWT. I also attended a meeting with the NWT Medical Association last night. Mr. Speaker, these meetings confirmed my suspicions that perhaps things like this could happen in the west.

The last thing we need or want is a general loss of confidence in the health system. Mr. Speaker, looking at that report from the nurses, it asked how can you attract people to the north and what is making people want to leave. What they had mentioned is exactly what we have taken away from them, lack of housing, lack of VTAs to travel back home, low wages because southern wages are comparable in some places, also lack of community support.

Mr. Speaker, the medical association indicated, as has been mentioned before, that our facilities and staff need to be certified so people know they have consistent medical services wherever they go. They also feel there should be core programs that are prioritized centrally, as well as some territorial-wide programs and standards that are set by a central agency which, of course, the boards could help set up and agree to. Perhaps their biggest message, Mr. Speaker, was that changes to the medical services that we provide should be to improve quality of programs and not to save money. Mr.

Speaker, I urge this government to use the Keewatin situation as a wake up call and make changes now that are needed. Mr. Speaker, I reiterate, we cannot afford for the general public to lose confidence in our health system. Thank you.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Henry .

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Member's Statement 160-13(5): Tribute To City Of Yellowknife Administrator Doug Lagore

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Page 540

Henry

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, over the last couple of years I have witnessed Members in this House stand and talk about some of the elders or statesmen in their communities, and they have had one thing in common. They had all passed away. I find that a little disappointing when the bouquets that are meant to go to people are not around to receive them.

I would like to change that. I would like to speak about someone who is very much alive in our community. That individual is the chief administrator for the City of Yellowknife, Doug Lagore, who came to Yellowknife in 1987 and has been the administrator ever since. I know Mr. Todd would probably take note when I mention that Mr. Lagore initiated pay equity in the City of Yellowknife in the early 1990s. He built a strong team through a difficult time. There was a strike when he arrived, and so he built a very strong team of management and an excellent working relationship with the union.

Organizations that this individual is involved with; he is director of the Canadian Association of Municipal Administrators; he is on various committees of international city managers; he is the founding member of the Association of Municipal Administrators of the NWT; he is chairman of the Employee Benefits Program; he is also the secretary treasurer of the Arctic Winter Games Association and is vice-president of the Arctic Winter Games.

--Applause

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Page 540

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Henry . Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Henry .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 540

Henry

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It gives me great pleasure to introduce the mayor of Yellowknife, Mr. Lovell and with him, the gentleman who I just spoke about, Mr. Doug Lagore, the city administrator.

--Applause

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Page 540

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Thank you. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Ms. Thompson .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Page 540

Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On behalf of the three MLAs in the Keewatin region, I would like to recognize the mayors from the Keewatin, Steve Mapsalak, mayor of Repulse Bay; Louis Pilakapsi, deputy mayor of Rankin Inlet; Peter Kritaqliluk, mayor of Arviat and vice-president of NWT Eastern Caucus; and Anthyme Kadjuk from my riding, mayor of Chesterfield Inlet.

--Applause

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Page 540

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Page 540

Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am pleased to introduce three important members of my staff from the Housing Corporation, Hunter Tootoo, Peter Scott, our managers from the Baffin region district office of the Housing Corporation. Sarah Flynn is the district director of the Keewatin. They are here today.

--Applause

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Page 540

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Page 540

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is a privilege today to recognize in the gallery the deputy mayor of Hay River, Dean McMeekin and long time town councillor and educator from our community, Mr. Ray Young. Welcome to the gallery.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Continue.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Page 540

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, I also wanted to recognize a former constituent from Hay River, a former resident of Hay River, Mr. Mike Mrdjenovich but he has left. Thank you.

--Applause

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Page 540

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. O'Brien .

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Page 540

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Although the honourable Member for Aivilik stole my thunder, I also would like to recognize and introduce my good friend and the fine mayor of Arviat, mayor Peter Kritaqliluk. Thank you.

--Applause

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Page 541

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Page 541

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to go back to Ministers' Statements. Thank you.

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Page 541

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Member for Sahtu is seeking unanimous consent to go back to Ministers' statements. Do we have any nays? Mr. Kakfwi , you have unanimous consent.

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Minister's Statement 42-13(5): Trip To London And Antwerp

Revert To Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 541

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you. Mr. Speaker, this is a month late, but it is essential to make sure we all report and become accountable. This is in regard to my trip in January to London and Antwerp. I recently lead a small delegation to London and Antwerp to meet with diamentaires who may play a significant role in the development of the diamond industry in the Northwest Territories and Canada. The diamentaires included companies and consultants from BHP Diamonds and Dia Met, Diavik, and Aber Resources, the Central Selling Organization and De Beers, and potential government diamond valuators.

The NWT and Canada are becoming players in the diamond world, and the NWT is seen by many as playing a key role in this unique global industry. It is important for the Government of the Northwest Territories to obtain opinions and information directly from those in the industry, rather than through the filter of the federal government in Ottawa. While we obtained a variety of perspectives and opinions, we feel we were also able to confirm our position on a number of issues.

Mr. Speaker, one of the things we have learned is that the valuation of rough diamonds is not a science. Rather, it is subjective because government valuation involves a degree of negotiation, supported by diamond experience, skill and knowledge. This is a new Canadian industry, Mr. Speaker, and it is imperative that if we err, we err on the side of caution. I am now even more convinced that a full and detailed sorting facility is required off of the mine site in a NWT community.

We also learned that sorting for market is an essential step, usually undertaken by the producer, in the process of selling diamonds. The level or detail of sorting for market depends on how and to whom the diamonds are sold. If diamonds are to be sold in the Northwest Territories, the amount of sorting for market will be done here and it will depend on how the diamonds are being sold. It must be recognized that the decision on how to sell the diamonds rests with the producer.

--Applause

In addition, trained workers, a favourable regulatory and tax environment and capital financing were all mentioned by existing diamond manufacturers as factors that must be examined.

We must also recognize that to develop a viable northern diamond manufacturing industry will take time and dedication. We need to develop the skills, the knowledge and the technology to compete with diamond manufacturing centres around the world. We must develop the proper environment to attract existing diamond manufacturers, and we must provide the necessary support to northerners who wish to enter into the diamond business.

--Applause

This trip to London and Antwerp gave our NWT delegation an opportunity to directly discuss our concerns and aspirations in detail with diamond valuators, dealers and manufacturers. The trip also allowed us to meet with individuals whose advice and input has been used by the federal government in the development of their positions and policies.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi . Ministers' statements. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Krutko .

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Question 197-13(5): Discussions For Purchases Of Government Buildings

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 541

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Public Works . Given the recent discussions in this House on the matter of the Lahm Ridge Tower, I would like to ask the Minister if there are any new developments in the discussions between the Denendeh Development Corporation and the Minister's department on the DDC's initiative to purchase the Laing Building and the Stuart Hodgson Building?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Minister of Public Works and Services , Mr. Antoine .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 541

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Yellowknife office space realization is a plan on how to deal with that has been approved by Cabinet recently in the last couple of weeks. We are in the process of developing a plan of action and how to proceed with it. Part of the plan is to look at the existing assets this government has. The decision has been to see if the possibility of selling off the Laing

Building is there. The Stuart Hodgson Building is not for sale, plus a couple of other properties. The Tapwe Building and some renewable resources property are going to be considered for sale. In regard to discussions with the Denendeh Development Corporation, apparently there have been some preliminary discussions in the past. There have been no decisions by this government until the last couple of weeks to go ahead with the office plan decision. Only a couple of weeks ago the decision was made that we are going to be selling some of these assets off and we are formulating a plan on how to do it.

I think there is an aboriginal content in that as well. Specifically, the Denendeh Development Corporation proposal, I feel, is in the preliminary discussion stages in the last year or so. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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Supplementary To Question 197-13(5): Discussions For Purchases Of Government Buildings

Question 197-13(5): Discussions For Purchases Of Government Buildings

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 542

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In light of the Lahm Ridge Tower deal which took a matter of days to come up with that arrangement, the Denendeh Development Corporation, in conjunction with the Gwich'in Development Corporation, have been spending years approaching this government, the Department of Public Works, to look at the possibility of acquiring real estate in Yellowknife. They have been talking, putting proposals...

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

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Question 197-13(5): Discussions For Purchases Of Government Buildings

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 542

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regard to my supplementary question, can the Minister tell me, in light of the Denendeh Development Corporation's ongoing discussions it has with this government, which has been going on for over a year along with the Gwich'in Development Corporation, when does he feel these discussions will be concluded so they will know exactly what the arrangements are so they can go forth in regard to coming up with the financial arrangements to acquire these assets?

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Antoine .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 542

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I had a meeting with the representative of the Denendeh Development Corporation two days ago. We explained to them the decision of the Cabinet to go ahead and sell the Laing Building. I think that is the building they are interested in, as well as the Stuart Hodgson Building. Again, the decision in Cabinet is that we are not going to sell the Stuart Hodgson Building and only the Laing Building. They told me they have been working on it for a number of years. They have met with members of Public Works and Services just looking at preliminary discussions.

At that time, there was no decision made to sell these assets. The decision to sell the assets was finally realized about two weeks ago, and we are working on a process now to go through a public process. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regard to the time it has taken to date, I would like to ask the Minister, why has this arrangement taken years? Yet, in regard to the Lahm Ridge Tower, it was just a matter of months? Why is there such a discretion between an aboriginal organization coming forth to this government versus a contractor, such as in the case of the Lahm Ridge Tower?

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The honourable Member is asking me questions about aboriginal corporations and development corporations acquiring assets from this government. He is also equating it to the Lahm Ridge Tower deal. The Lahm Ridge Tower is a privately owned company that sold to another privately owned company. It has never been a government asset. It is a deal between two private businesses. In that case, it is a question that is difficult to answer. In that regard, it has never been the government's property. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the aboriginal organizations have the same opportunity to acquire long-term leases such as in the case of the Lahm Ridge Tower, where it was a ten-year lease extension? Will they have the same opportunity in acquiring these government assets?

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the properties this government had decided to sell is going to favour an aboriginal component to it. If that is done through a public process, then the opportunity will be there in the market. It will be dealt with like every other company that owns buildings in this capital to lease space to this government. Thank you.

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Question 198-13(5): Tabling Of Lahm Ridge Tower Lease

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, on the Lahm Ridge Tower deal, we have been hearing a lot of

questions on it. I guess it started the beginning of October. I would like to try to end it right now. I would like to ask the Minister for DPW would he table in this House a copy of the Lahm Ridge Tower lease with the pertinent financial information that is not needed by the Members of this House, black that out, give it to us, table it in the House? We can compare it to the lease that was tabled last week and then end all speculation there and then. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the deputy minister is seeking a legal opinion and seeking permission from the owners to say if that is possible. We will let this House know once that is done. Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it comes as a bit of a surprise that Justice is looking at doing this. I am very pleased that they are. I wonder if the Minister could give us any idea when Justice would know and when that could be done? I would like to have a commitment so we could end it now, as soon as possible. Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

The deputy minister is looking into it now and as soon as it is possible we will get it done. Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, can the Minister then commit to having that tabled in the House before the end of this session, before the end of February? Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, subject to approval and the right approval, we will do that. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question at this time will be directed to the Minister responsible for Education, Culture and Employment where the seniors' fuel subsidy is delivered through. Although it has almost been a year, Mr. Speaker, the issue has once again come up for the simple reason that it is this time of the year where the burners and furnaces are going fairly regularly. I would like to know from the Minister, why is Inuvik in the zone that it is categorized in zone one? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This hot topic has come back, as the Member says, almost a year later. I thought it had been put to bed. Mr. Speaker, the program has been indexed across the territories by following the food-basket rates under the Income Support Program. Communities in zones one, two and three are classified in one zone. Zones four, five, and six of the food-basket allowance are grouped in another zone for the fossil fuel subsidy. The last four zones are then grouped in the third. I would assume that if Inuvik is in the first zone for the fossil fuel subsidy, that its food-basket rates must be in one of the first three zones for income support. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The only thing that might be put to bed is maybe the seniors with extra blankets.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Mr. Speaker, what makes up the food basket? What is included in that, that would categorize the communities as they are? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the food basket is a figure that has been set up to determine what the cost of food is likely to be in a community.

This was set a number of years ago. There is currently a process underway whereby the Bureau of Statistics and my department are cooperating on a community-by-community review of the food basket rates to ensure they reflect the true costs. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister inform us as to when this review will be completed?

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Charles Dent

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I expect the review will be completed by the end of March.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Hopefully, at the end of the review, it will state that Inuvik needs to be moved to a different zone. I have actually written a letter to the Minister and I would like to know if he would look at putting Inuvik in a different zone which is more in the area of the cost of living associated with being in the community of Inuvik. Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, if the survey demonstrates that Inuvik should be in a different zone for the food basket in the process of adjusting the food basket rates for all communities, then we will certainly look at doing the same for the zones for the fuel subsidy. Perhaps then, we can finally put this issue to bed assured that seniors enjoy an adequate subsidy. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 200-13(5): Fur Shipped Through Canada Post

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 544

James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to address my question to the honourable Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Kakfwi . It is my understanding on January of this year your department was informed that Canada Post would not be shipping our trappers' fur to the market. Would the Minister please tells us if this in fact is true? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, this was a rumour that some of our officials had picked up as well, along with some of the trappers and people who are involved in the fur industry. There was some information sent out that Canada Post would no longer be shipping fur through the mail. We contacted Canada Post immediately to see if that information could be verified. There was apparently a misunderstanding at Canada Post of information that was received. They were led to believe that they were to stop shipping fur. We have since then clarified the understanding with Canada Post and all this to say that fur will continue to be shipped through the mail and accepted by Canada Post. Thank you.

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James Rabesca

North Slave

A further question. I would like to get more information as to what has been done to ensure that this kind of thing which affects our trappers in the future or this government?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think there was a misunderstanding at Canada Post of conditions for shipping. It was an internal misunderstanding. Canada Post has put out posters, somewhat like the one I am holding here, which is a Xerox copy that says in varying letters, all postal facilities, Canada Post does ship fur. On the info poster publication dated January, 1998, page four, it is stated that furs cannot be shipped by Canada Post that this headline and

article are incorrect. In actual fact, T&T Express Worldwide has been experiencing customs related difficulties with this commodity. They have decided this commodity will no longer be accepted for shipment via the sky tax service. This applies to all countries. However, you have customers who wish to ship furs by Canada Post air and surface parcel service. Proper customs declarations must be enclosed, since the governing regulations are country specific. Please refer to the postal guide part two. Please ensure that your postal outlet staff are aware of this correction. Thank you.

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Question 201-13(5): Completion Of Breakwater Project In Broughton Island

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will be speaking Inuktitut. As I stated earlier during my Member's statement regarding the wharf in Broughton Island, I would

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Transportation , Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the honourable Member is asking me about the breakwater system in the constituency of Broughton Island. Mr. Speaker, from 1991-1992 and ending in 1995-96, the Department of Transportation worked along with the municipality of Broughton Island and completed a breakwater system. We spent about $650,000 on that whole project. We also provided a floating dock for the community. At that time there were a lot of questions raised by the municipality if perhaps we should develop this breakwater into a much bigger project which would accommodate larger ships.

The price on that is undetermined but it is quite a substantial amount. We have not really put into our plans at this time to expand the work that we have completed recently. However, the regional superintendent of transportation, Methusalah Kunuk from Iqaluit is responsible for that area through our department. We do have some operation and maintenance funding to maintain the existing structure from any slumping or damage, just to do some overall recapping on this community. This is the extent of the work we have done in the community. Thank you.

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Question 202-13(5): Release Of Lahm Ridge Tower Lease

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 545

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have some questions about the Lahm Ridge Tower. It has taken a tremendous amount of time and excruciating prying to get answers on this, Mr. Speaker. I think the Members are merely trying to raise questions. They have a concern about the dollars that are being spent in this situation and the people out there are pressuring Members to ask questions. If there is some concern and if there is paranoia developing, I am sorry. My question, Mr. Speaker, is on the question of checking the legal situation whether it is legal to release this lease. Is it not true that these are public dollars?

Public dollars, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister when did they start checking as to whether this was legal to release the lease? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we have an Access to Information Act that clearly lays out the requirements to make these types of documents public. I think it is subject to approval by the owners of the company. I think we have to respect that. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister did not answer my question. When did they start looking at it to see if this could be released legally? Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the deputy minister informed me, perhaps he had started earlier, but yesterday he informed me that he had already started at looking at the possibilities of blanking out certain areas that may not be required on this lease. He is seeking the owners of the Lahm Ridge Tower to see whether these documents could be released. Again, it is subject to their approval, I believe. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I suspect this type of question has probably risen before in the Government of the NWT. Could the Minister tell us if they checked back to see if there is a precedent for this? Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I do not know that. Again, the intention is to seek the owners, and our intention is that if it is approved then we will table it in this House. Thank you.

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Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister indicate when that could be settled? It does not seem like a complicated issue. Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you. Again, Mr. Speaker, subject to the approval, we will table it as soon as we can to settle this matter. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Again, just to remind the Members, regarding questions that have already been asked in one session. It has already been asked today. I ask Members to pay attention so you do not have to ask the same questions again. Oral questions. Mr. Steen .

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is in relation to my Member's statement. I do not wish to expand on this, other than to say some of these issues that we write about, as Members to the Ministers, are quite important and with a fair sense of urgency sometimes. I wonder if the Premier could perhaps discuss it with his colleagues, Cabinet and perhaps find a way to shorten the response time to the Members? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Premier .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ministers of the government receive hundreds of letters a week. Members' letters do take priority over other letters. Sometimes Ministers are unable to answer as quickly as they would like to, for the simple reason in some cases, the assignment books have piled up on your desk for ten days at a time, if you are off travelling. I will be writing to all of the Ministers to try to assure that Members' requests get answered in a prompt and quick way. Myself, I try to respond within ten days and at least acknowledge the letter. Sometimes we are unable to meet that time

schedule as well. I will be writing Ministers and raising the concern the Member raised and we will try to respond as quickly as possibly. Thank you.

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I thank the Premier for that response. I wonder if perhaps the Minister could pass this on further down the line to the bureaucrats because I do not believe it is appropriate to write to a superintendent of transportation, for instance, while almost three months later we receive a response that he did get the letter. Perhaps just a response confirming that they have the letter would assure it is being looked into. Thank you.

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Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you. Mr. Speaker, that must have been an oversight. I will request Ministers in writing. They respond to the public in general as well as Members of the Legislative Assembly as soon as possible. We will try to get a turnaround in our correspondence, speeded up. Thank you.

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Question 204-13(5): Sale And Lease Arrangements Of Lahm Ridge Tower

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Page 546

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question today, Mr. Speaker, is for the Minister of Public Works and Services . Mr. Speaker, on Monday I asked the Minister if one of the conditions of extending the leases was the sale of the property to the company owned by Mr. Mrdjenovich and Mr. Bailey. The Minister's response, I do not know, Mr. Speaker, and then the Minister reiterated, the written conditions of the extension relating to renovations, mechanical upgrades, et cetera. I would like an answer to the question, Mr. Speaker. Was the agreement by the department to the lease extension conditional upon the sale to the new owners being concluded? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this question as notice. I will get back to her. Thank you.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Health and Social Services , in the area of consistent medical care, which the medical association yesterday was so concerned about. One of the methods which is nationally used to ensure consistent medical care is credentialling, whereby facilities are certified by a national agency. Could the Minister indicate whether all our hospitals are certified?

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The Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I believe the Member is referring to accreditation. To my understanding, all hospitals in the Northwest Territories are accredited by the national agency that does that. Thank you.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Could the Minister indicate whether the nursing stations are also all accredited?

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I do not believe they are. Accreditation of community health care facilities has only been a recent thing with the accreditation agency as a result of over the past few years those facilities being changed in other jurisdictions, in respect to them being the primary health care facility within communities as a result of some of the reforms other jurisdictions have undergone. It has only been, I believe, about the last two or three years that the accreditation of community health care facilities has started to take place across the country, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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