Debates of March 29th, 1994

This is page numbers 909 - 930 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Winning Partnerships

Arctic College Wins Two National Awards

Evaluation Of The Canada/nwt Cooperation Agreement For French And Aboriginal Languages

Response To The Special Committee On Health And Social Services

Welcoming French Exchange Students From Quebec

Social Services Terminating Hay River Group Home Contract

Clarification Of Eligibility For Polar Bear Tags

Sportsmanship And Abilities Of NWT Athletes

Appreciation To Supporters Of Yellowknife Curling Association

Confusion Between Mr. Pudluk And Mr. Pudlat

Appreciation To Iqaluit Rescue Team

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Termination Of Hay River Group Home Contract

Status Of Community Hall For Sanikiluaq

Clarification Of Remarks Made By Renewable Resources Minister

Policy On Paying Rent For Social Assistance Clients

Update On Colomac Mine Situation After Safety Inspection

Aboriginal People's Respect For Wildlife

Update On Negotiations Between Casaw And Miramar Con Mine

Status Of Kheraj Enterprises Under Bip

Financial Support For Students Attending School In Yellowknife

Time Frame For Review Of Bip

Status Of Kheraj Enterprises Under Bip

Minister's Meaning Of "qualifications" Of Students

Policy To Assist Parents In Sending Their Children To Southern Schools

Termination Or Suspension Of Hay River Group Home Contract

Extent Of Fire Damage To Print Shop In Pangnirtung

Department Of Health's Policy On Mammograms

Hiring Authority Of Public School Board

Written Question 23-12(5): Responsibility Of Mines To Provide Adequate Fire Fighting Equipment

Item 11: Reports Of Committees On The Review Of Bills

Item 12: Tabling Of Documents

Item 14: Notices Of Motions

Bill 21:

An Act To Amend The Tobacco Tax Act, No. 2

Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Bill 12:

An Act To Amend The Wildlife Act

Bill 10:

An Act To Repeal The Metric Conversion Act

Bill 18: Write-off Of Debts Act, 1993-94

Item 19: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 21: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Mr. Allooloo , Mr. Antoine , Hon. Silas Arngna'naaq , Mr. Arvaluk , Mr. Ballantyne , Hon. Nellie Cournoyea , Mr. Dent , Mr. Gargan , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Koe , Mr. Lewis , Hon. Jeannie Marie-Jewell , Hon. Rebecca Mike , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Richard Nerysoo , Mr. Ng , Mr. Ningark , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Mr. Pudluk , Hon. John Todd , Mr. Whitford , Mr. Zoe

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---Prayer

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 909

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Good afternoon. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Member for Keewatin Central , Mr. Todd .

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Minister's Statement 57-12(5): Winning Partnerships

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I am pleased to announce that I will be signing an agreement later today for a winning partnership between the Department of Economic Development and Susan Aglukark.

Too often, this government invents new and costly programs in the name of marketing the Northwest Territories economy. In many cases, simple partnerships or joint ventures between government and businesses of individuals can go a long way in developing awareness of the north, which in turn can assist with the sales of the Northwest Territories products and services.

Ms. Aglukark is fast becoming a star on the national and international music scene. Her growing stature as an international celebrity will provide invaluable support in promoting Northwest Territories arts, crafts, culture and tourism industries. Susan Aglukark is headed for big success, and I believe this government should build on this success.

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Minister's Statement 57-12(5): Winning Partnerships

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Some Hon. Members

Hear, hear.

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Minister's Statement 57-12(5): Winning Partnerships

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

The winning partnership agreement that Ms. Aglukark and I will sign later today, will ensure that Ms. Aglukark will assist in GNWT promotional programs by wearing northern clothes and accessories, using NWT products whenever possible during her stage performances and travels throughout Canada, the United States...

---Applause

...and overseas, and occasionally taking

part in special media events to promote the awareness of the NWT, our products and services.

The department will provide Ms. Aglukark with items of northern clothing to wear during stage performances, equip Susan and her band with other northern products such as luggage from the Fort McPherson Tent and Canvass Factory, and assist with other sport materials to project a strong northern image of the NWT in southern audiences.

Madam Speaker, this is a pilot project. If the winning partnership program is successful, as I know it will be, the department will be looking at forming similar partnerships with other prominent NWT artists, personalities and athletes.

Earlier today, Ms. Aglukark and I held a brief press conference to announce this agreement. I invite all Members of the House to attend the official signing ceremony and a brief reception at the Yellowknife Inn after the House adjourns this evening.

Madam Speaker, I believe Ms. Aglukark is in the gallery today and I am sure you, along with all my colleagues, will give her a warm welcome to this Assembly. Thank you.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 57-12(5): Winning Partnerships

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Welcome. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Nerysoo .

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Minister's Statement 58-12(5): Arctic College Wins Two National Awards

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. People in the Northwest Territories often raise concerns about Arctic College and its programs. The college and this government, however, have a commitment to developing and delivering quality programs and continues to improve services to its clients. The quality of Arctic College programs and its leadership has been recognized by southern Canadians, and the college has received numerous awards in these areas.

Madam Speaker, as Minister and on behalf of Cabinet, I want to advise the people of the north and this Assembly, of national recognition recently given to Arctic College by the Association of Canadian Community Colleges. The association is made up of about 160 member institutions. Its awards program showcases the achievements of individuals and institutions by recognizing innovation, excellence and leadership in Canada's system of colleges and technical institutes.

All college campuses and community learning centres use these courses in upgrading programs. Almost 40 per cent of Arctic College's full-time students are enrolled in adult basic education courses. Standard course objectives, placement and marking practices ensure students have a firm foundation for employment or further training.

High enrolments in adult basic education courses indicate the need for this program in the Northwest Territories. The program excellence award demonstrates that the college's program is seen as a model for Canada.

The second award has been presented to an individual. The Association of Canadian Community Colleges has awarded its 1994 leadership award to Arctic College president Mr. Mark Cleveland. This award is given to an individual "who goes beyond assigned responsibilities to create, improve or transform the working environment, someone who creates a vision and persuades others to work with them to make that vision a reality." This definition wholeheartedly describes Mr. Cleveland's attitude and commitment to Arctic College.

Madam Speaker, Arctic College has developed at a tremendous rate over the past decade. It has changed from a small localized training institution to a comprehensive community college system with more than 40 delivery locations. This change has increased participation and success in adult and post-secondary education. More northerners then ever before can now access educational training, which will prepare them for the social and economic challenges ahead.

The awards I am announcing today bestow prestigious national recognition on the Arctic College board's innovations and the quality of its programs and leadership.

In closing, Madam Speaker, I would like to congratulate Mr. Cleveland on his personal leadership award and I would like to congratulate the Arctic College board of governors and staff as well as all those who work in partnership with the college for their contributions towards the 1994 association of Canadian community colleges program excellence award. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 58-12(5): Arctic College Wins Two National Awards

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Madam Premier .

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Minister's Statement 59-12(5): Evaluation Of The Canada/nwt Cooperation Agreement For French And Aboriginal Languages

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, later today, I will be tabling the evaluation of the Canada/Northwest Territories cooperation agreement for French and aboriginal languages. Members will each receive a copy of the four-part report.

The evaluation was conducted over a two year period and provides an assessment of how well the objectives of the agreement were met. The evaluation report also provides information on how knowledgable people are about the agreement funding, what changes could be made to make the agreement more effective and detailed information about languages in 30 communities across the north. The community language data was collected during the summer of 1992 and 1993. Local interviewers were trained to carry out this base line data collection.

Generally, the results of the evaluation are positive about the role and success of the agreement and the performance of the Government of the Northwest Territories. The Canada/Northwest Territories cooperation agreement for French and aboriginal languages in the Northwest Territories was signed in August of 1991 and ends March 31, 1994.

Madam Speaker, the territorial government is negotiating a renewal of that agreement and I will keep the Members advised of the progress of the negotiations. Madam Speaker, may I continue with the second statement?

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Minister's Statement 60-12(5): Response To The Special Committee On Health And Social Services

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, later today I will be tabling the government's response to the Special Committee on Health and Social Services.

The document provides an outline of current and planned initiatives that respond directly to the recommendations of the special committee and it also sets the direction for the future development of health and social services programs in the Northwest Territories.

The response represents the combined efforts of a number of Ministers and it demonstrates a renewed commitment by government departments to working more closely with one another and with other levels of government and community-based groups.

Madam Speaker, the work and recommendations of the Special Committee on Health and Social Services are significant and identify the changes necessary to develop a system that is more effective and responsive to the needs of residents.

The response being tabled today represents the government's commitment to a cohesive and coordinated strategy for the renewal of health and social services programs in the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Minister's Statement 60-12(5): Response To The Special Committee On Health And Social Services

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife South , Mr. Whitford .

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Welcoming French Exchange Students From Quebec

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, this afternoon I have the pleasure to welcome 46 students to this Assembly. These are the French language exchange students from St. Marc des Carrieres in the province of Quebec. They are in the Yellowknife area for the next eight days as guests of the staff and students at the St. Pat's school in Yellowknife. They are here to learn about our unique ways. They had a chance to tour the Assembly earlier on in the day

and I had an opportunity to speak to them in the Caucus room about our unique form of government. They are here to see what consensus government is and hopefully they will be able to convey to their fellow students back home the uniqueness of this form of government in a very unique part of the Northwest Territories. With that, I would like to say welcome to the students from Quebec, to their teachers who are accompanying them and the French students from the city of Yellowknife. Welcome.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Gargan .

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Social Services Terminating Hay River Group Home Contract

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I rise today to speak about a letter received from Jane Groenewegen addressed to all MLAs in which she makes some serious allegations about the conduct of Social Services staff at the Hay River district office.

Madam Speaker, the Groenewegens manage the Hay River group home for the Department of Social Services. The contract was terminated by the department after one year of a three year contract under a clause which provides for termination after 90 days of notice.

Madam Speaker, in this letter Ms. Groenewegen states that she experienced serious difficulties in obtaining the support from the district office of Social Services that the contract called for the department to provide. If my understanding is correct, the reason the contract was cancelled by the department was that the working relationship between the department and the Groenewegens had deteriorated or did not exist. If the department was not fulfilling their end of the contract, how can they reasonably expect the Groenewegens to do the same?

I might suggest, Madam Speaker, that if the allegations the Groenewegens are making about the conduct of the district office Social Services staff are true, then it would appear to any reasonable person that the lack of communication was the fault of the department as opposed to the Groenewegens. Consequently, it should be the department's responsibility to clean up its act instead of terminating the Groenewegen contract.

Madam Speaker, in a package sent to the MLAs, included there were a number of letters of support from the majority of aboriginal organizations in the Hay River area. These letters state that there have never been any problems with the Groenewegens performing and running the group home and that the organization was pleased with the care their members received in this facility. I would suggest, Madam Speaker, that this situation deserves an independent review by an outside source before this government ends up facing another lawsuit.

I will be pursuing this matter in question period. Thank you.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Aivilik , Mr. Arvaluk .

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Clarification Of Eligibility For Polar Bear Tags

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 911

James Arvaluk

Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Madam Speaker. Yesterday, during committee of the whole, I was asking questions to the Minister of Renewable Resources regarding the role of renewable resource officers in explaining complex rules and legislation to the public. This morning on CBC, what I had said was made to sound as if I was making a personal complaint to the Minister of Renewable Resources . I was merely using myself as an example. This is what I said according to the transcripts on page 2007.

"When polar bear season arrived my name was included with those eligible to have their names entered into a draw for polar bear tags and my name was drawn. Unfortunately, I was informed by the HTA upon my arrival that I was no longer eligible to be included in a draw. Later I met with the chairman of the HTA and was told that I was eligible to be included in a draw and to participate in a polar bear hunt. Even though I am an MLA, since I am still a resident of Coral Harbour."

Yesterday, I was trying to say that the local HTAs are not familiar with the legislation that pertains to them. Some of the legislation is quite complex. However, the government pays the renewable resources officer's salary and provides him or her with housing. For that reason, it is the responsibility of the government employee to inform the local HTAs about this legislation, so they can adjust their practices in order that they follow the original agreement.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Mr. Arvaluk , your time for your Member's statement has lapsed. I believe your last paragraph has to be repeated. Would you like to request unanimous consent?

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Madam Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement. Thank you.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to continue. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Arvaluk .

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Thank you, colleagues. (Translation) What I'm trying to say is that the renewable resource officers have to make sure that they relay the legislation to HTA. I was blaming the renewable resource officer because he is supposed to inform the HTA. I wanted my statement and my questions to be understood by the Minister of Renewable Resources . Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Lewis .

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Sportsmanship And Abilities Of NWT Athletes

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I did have a prepared statement yesterday, Madam Speaker, about curling but recognizing that Mr. Koe was back in the House, I felt that yesterday was his day. But, I would like to talk briefly about sport today, Madam Speaker, because it is a distant memory now when over a decade ago two young ladies from Inuvik

were members of the Canadian national cross country ski team who are among the best cross country skiers in the world.

Over the last decade, a Yellowknife family has competed across this country and overseas and have made the whole sport of dog team racing something which we can compete with anybody in the world and become the best. In fact, there were five members of the Beck family this past weekend who were in the top ten in the Canadian national championship.

Just recently, members of one family represented us nobly, I felt, in Nova Scotia and showed people that when we concentrate in those areas where we can be strong because of our climate and all kinds of other things, not only are we a group of people who, when challenged, should not be taken lightly, but when things don't go our way, we can show people how to behave properly.

It's a sad thing for me to think that the Koe boys are not overseas representing not only the Northwest Territories, but Canada because they showed people what the true spirit of sport should be like. Thank you.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Inuvik , Mr. Koe .

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Appreciation To Supporters Of Yellowknife Curling Association

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I rise today to express my appreciation, on behalf of the Northwest Territories Curling Association, the athletes and the supporters who travelled to the Brier which was held in Red Deer and the Junior National Curling Championships which were held in Truro, I would like to thank the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism , the staff of his department, the people of the Northwest Territories Development Corporation and any other people in the Northwest Territories who supported these athletes and spectators in whatever ways they did.

The Northwest Territories Development Corporation, through the Rankin Inlet Meat and Fish Company provided some caribou and Arctic char delicacies which were served during hospitality nights in both places. The food that we served got rave reviews and I noticed that there wasn't one tidbit left on the tables that the food was set up on at the end of the evening. Everybody who ate these goodies came to me and expressed their appreciation and commented on how good the products were. We served over 750 people at the Brier and over 300 in Truro.

I would also like to say that the athletes, especially the junior women athletes wore, as part of their uniforms, articles of clothing from the Northwest Territories, specifically they wore the Arctic Winter Games jackets. I know a lot of the parents also wore these jackets and they were one of the most popular items of clothing there. They got a lot of very nice comments and everybody wanted to buy or trade for them.

The point I'm making, Madam Speaker, is that when we send athletes and when we are supporting spectators and representatives of the north, they do represent the north and any support they receive from anybody in the Northwest Territories is greatly appreciated and is recognized as a good product by people of Canada. Mahsi.

---Applause

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Appreciation To Supporters Of Yellowknife Curling Association

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for High Arctic , Mr. Pudluk .

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Confusion Between Mr. Pudluk And Mr. Pudlat

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Madam Speaker. What's my name? Ever since I became a Member in 1975, I have encountered problems with regard to who we are as Members. During the 12th Assembly of the Legislative Assembly, we made some mistakes amongst our colleagues. Even the public get our names mixed up. I don't want to change my name at this time. I want to be Pudluk. I don't want to be Pudlat. In Nunatsiaq News on the 18th of this month, there was an

article that said that Pudlat said something to do with ammunition and firearms, and it was me who said it. Sometimes, they send the wrong faxes to us. I always get faxes for Kenoayoak Pudlat at my address. I don't mind this, but it is not my name. We don't have the same name.

I just want to tell my colleagues and the members of the staff that I am Mr. Pudluk and he is Mr. Pudlat . I don't want to see any confidential stuff for Mr. Pudlat coming to me. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Your names are very close, though. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Baffin South , Mr. Pudlat .

---Laughter

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Appreciation To Iqaluit Rescue Team

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would also like to thank my colleague, Ludy Pudluk . Madam Speaker, I was supposed to state that there was an accident because of the weather. Near Iqaluit, there was an accident. Someone had hurt themselves with a ski-doo. On the same day, one person got lost and he had only a ski-doo and nothing else. They were lost for two days because of the bad weather.

Madam Speaker, the person who was lost was found in good condition. I would like at this time, to thank the rescue people from Iqaluit. I would like to thank the Iqaluit rescue team very much, and all the other rescue people who have helped throughout the year. At this time, that's why I'm standing, Madam Speaker. Thank you.

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Appreciation To Iqaluit Rescue Team

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 913

Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, I have a return to an oral question which was asked by Mr. Gargan on March 25, and it concerns the clearing right-of-way between Taltson and Pine Point.

Madam Speaker, the corporation has tendered a brushing contract for the Taltson/Pine Point transmission line in the area from Fort Smith to Pine Point for the past three years. In 1991-92 the contract value was $42,000; in 1992-93, $31,000; in 1993-94 the contract was worth $11,000. This undertaking will be completed by April 14, 1994.

In 1994-95 approximately $41,000 has been budgeted for maintenance brushing on the north side of the river. This amount includes helicopter time and the hiring of three local northerners. The corporation's contact for this work is the Fort Smith operations superintendent. Thank you.

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. The honourable Member for Baffin Central , Ms. Mike .

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Page 913

Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Lewis on March 22, 1994, regarding the percentage of NWT population addicted to alcohol and/or drugs.

It is not possible to determine how many residents of the Northwest Territories are addicted to alcohol and/or drugs. To answer this question the department would have to access every resident of the Northwest Territories.

The information that can be verified is that in 1992-93, 598 residents of the Northwest Territories had requested assistance for their addiction to alcohol and/or drugs, and were provided treatment by the Department of Social Services. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

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Question 399-12(5): Termination Of Hay River Group Home Contract

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 913

Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

My question is to the Minister of Social Services . Madam Speaker, the situation in Hay River with the termination of the contract for running of the group home disturbs me. In light of a letter of support from members of my constituency, I have little choice but to lead the allegations of wrong-doing on the part of the district office of Social Services in Hay River. Can the Minister explain to me the rationale for the termination of the contract?

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Greenway Holdings ran the Hay River group home in 1992 and 1993, and were rehired on a three year contract for 1993-94 until 1995-96. The working relationship has deteriorated over the last year, and numerous attempts have been made by the area supervisor and the regional superintendent to maintain a viability of this contract. These attempts have not been successful. While all parties maintain that the well-being of the children in their care is their number one priority, there is a demonstrated inability between the contractor and the area office staff to work together to meet this priority.

The contract with Greenway was cancelled under a provision of the contract which allowed that department to terminate the contract with 90 day's notice. The reason for the termination was that the working relationship between the contractor and the Social Services area office had broken down completely. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Item 5, oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Gargan .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Serious allegations have been raised about the professionalism of the staff at the Hay River district office of Social Services. Is the Minister prepared to strike an independent committee to investigate these allegations as was requested by the Groenewegens, subsequent to their contract being terminated by your department?

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Yes.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 913

Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

My last supplementary, Madam Speaker. In view of the community support for the operation of the group home as it now stands, can the Minister please tell this House what the plans are for the group home in Hay River?

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Minister of Social Services , Ms. Mike .

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. In the meantime, the children who are in care have been placed in homes. The care of the children has to be the number one priority. So they have been placed in foster care homes. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Baffin South , Mr. Pudlat .

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Question 400-12(5): Status Of Community Hall For Sanikiluaq

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 914

Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Madam Speaker. I have a question for the Minister. In Sanikiluaq, it was quite a long time ago that it happened -- I don't know how long ago, maybe two or three years -- that we have been working on this project. We wanted to get a community hall. They were going to consider applications for the community hall after the arena was built. Maybe the Minister of MACA would be able to tell me when they are planning to establish a community hall there. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

(Translation) Thank you, Madam Speaker. In answer to the question from my colleague for Baffin South, the hamlet councils in the communities have been requested to establish a capital plan for the next year. In the immediate future, applications have not arrived yet from some of the communities for a capital plan. I have not seen their request or application for a community hall, so I cannot answer at this time. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Inuvik , Mr. Koe .

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Question 401-12(5): Clarification Of Remarks Made By Renewable Resources Minister

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 914

Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, in reviewing the unedited Hansard of March 28, 1994, the Minister of Renewable Resources made some statements. In the excitement of the discussions, I guess I didn't hear the comments that were made. I would like to ask the Minister for some clarification on a statement he made on page 2051 of the unedited Hansard of March 28. I quote: "The Dene, for instance, and Metis, I know, and the Inuvialuit for that matter, may differ. At least with the Dene and Metis, if they don't make the regulation and they have no

part in the management of the resource, then they have little regard for the laws and quotas that are set by this government."

I would like to ask the Minister what he meant by that statement?

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. I just want to caution Members that when you quote the unedited Hansard, you don't take the quotes out of context. Minister of Renewable Resources , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The context in which those remarks were made is in the context that for the most part, the Dene and the Metis have been calling consistently -- at least since 1974 -- for recognition that they have a right to govern themselves. The territorial government, as such, was denounced as a government not of their choosing. With that regard, the laws that are made, sometimes even by the federal government, are not held in the esteem they should be held by the Dene and the Metis.

In recent years, with more involvement of northern people in the making of laws and regulations and in moving, for instance, in the Department of Renewable Resources, to managing cooperatively with communities and aboriginal groups the wildlife resources, the esteem they hold for laws and regulations has gone up considerably. That is the context in which those remarks were made. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Kitikmeot , Mr. Ng .

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Question 402-12(5): Policy On Paying Rent For Social Assistance Clients

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 914

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Social Services . It is my understanding that the department, directly or indirectly, pays rents and utilities for at least two private sector units on behalf of social assistance clients in Coppermine. These housing units are former northern rental units that were written off by the local housing association and purchased through the local tender process by individuals.

Unfortunately, these housing units are in terrible condition. Two of them are on the honey bucket system, none have running water, there hasn't been any upgrading and minimum maintenance has been done on these units. I would like to ask if the Minister if it's the policy of the department to pay rent to private landlords, either directly or indirectly, on behalf of social assistance clients who have no housing? Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. For the social services recipients, the department does pay rent, whether it is for the housing corporation or for the unit they are renting. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister, then, if the department has minimum standards they set for these residential units prior to them allowing social assistance clients to live in them? Thank you.

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. If the department, on behalf of the clients, is renting these dwellings, I would have to look into this situation that Mr. Ng is talking about. If the clients, on their own, decide to live in these units, to me that is out of the responsibility of Social Services. It is different if Social Services is directly renting these from the private owner. Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister if her department or somebody on behalf of her department in the government carries out inspections of these units to ensure they meet building codes, fire and electrical codes and those types of things, prior to their authorizing rental payments for these units? Thank you.

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would have to get more details on the two individuals Mr. Ng is talking about in order to address his concern. At this point in time, I don't know whether the department accessed these units for the clients of Social Services or not. If they are, I would certainly like to know. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister feels it is acceptable to have social assistance clients living in residential units which have no running water and which are using honey bucket systems? Thank you.

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Like I said earlier, it really depends if these individuals, of their own choosing, are living in these units. I don't know the background detail on these individuals. I would have to get more details on whether or not the Social Services department accessed these units for them or if the individuals accessed them themselves. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Lewis .

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Question 403-12(5): Update On Colomac Mine Situation After Safety Inspection

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 915

Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, my question is to the Minister responsible for Safety . I was pleased to hear that the city of Yellowknife was able to assist in putting out the fire in Colomac Mine. I would like to ask the Minister if he has an update for us on what has happened since his safety people have been there?

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 915

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Safety and Public Services , Mr. Nerysoo .

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you. I appreciate the honourable Member's question. Madam Speaker, the deputy fire marshal in the company of a fire safety inspector were despatched this morning to Colomac via an aircraft hired by Royal Oak. Obviously, the inspectors took advantage of a free flight.

It was agreed among the city of Yellowknife fire department officials, the fire marshal, the mine safety division and Colomac Mine officials that the investigation would not commence until today, to permit exhausted fire fighters and employees sufficient time to recover and to permit the excessive smoke to clear and the hot remains of the building to cool sufficiently to permit a thorough investigation.

All of these parties, as well as the insurance adjustors, are meeting at the mine site today to jointly commence a thorough investigation which will include careful physical examination of the fire remains and the interviewing of multiple witnesses to ascertain the state of the fire protection system at the time of the fire as well as the cause of the fire. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Item 5, oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Lewis .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Speaker. That was an easy question. I have a more difficult one for the Minister. Since we have mines throughout the Northwest Territories that are very isolated, what requirement do those mines have to provide for their own fire fighting capability?

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I don't have the information for that particular technical question

. That would probably be a written question. I will provide, though, a written answer to the oral question.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you, Mr. Nerysoo . I believe it is the responsibility of the chair to determine whether oral questions should proceed or whether they should be written questions. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Gargan .

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Question 404-12(5): Aboriginal People's Respect For Wildlife

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Just to follow up on what Mr. Koe asked regarding the Minister of Renewable Resources . Madam Speaker, I do travel a lot on highways. I always get the opportunity to see wildlife in its natural state, but the message that the Minister is sending to a lot of the people who are fighting this government over wildlife furs may differ because, in his statement, it certainly implies maybe that I, as an aboriginal, am not conservative, and that, because of my disregard for the law, I have disregard for the land or the animals on it.

I would like to ask the Minister, for the record, whether or not he can make some corrections to this statement since perhaps I don't have a lot of regard for the law, but I still have a lot of regard for the animals and the land.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Minister of Renewable Resources , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Madam Speaker, I did not get the exact question that the Member was asking, but again, in response to some of the concern, I think the issue that I was trying to drive at yesterday, when the Member was asking what it is we need in order to hunt and receive tags, was perhaps the highest law of aboriginal people is that people closest to the resource, that need it the most, have the highest priority. That has been the case with the Dene and the Metis throughout history. That is, if I live in Yellowknife, I don't have the same priority with regard to exercising my right to harvest moose as the people in Good Hope, since that is their source of food, so they have priority.

It doesn't deprive me of my right, but there is an unstated law that says, those people who need it the most, who have the greatest need of it, should have priority. My statement yesterday was to reflect the suggestion that we can make laws in Ottawa and we can make laws in Yellowknife, but unless the people at the community level feel it is a just law, that they are part of it and that the law respects their place, their access and their right to a renewable resource, they would not hold it in the esteem that they should. That is the suggestion that I was making. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. Supplementary. Do you have a supplementary, Mr. Gargan ?

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The Minister plans on travelling to Europe within the next two weeks. Anybody who picks up this unedited Hansard and reads this will get a strong message from the Europeans as to what the aboriginals feel about the laws we create, but it doesn't talk about anything beyond written laws that the aboriginal people live by.

Madam Speaker, I had a buffalo tag that I didn't use. There was a reason for that. Last spring, on my travels to Yellowknife, I saw about seven moose. I didn't shoot at them or anything like that, mainly because I didn't think I needed one at that time. Those are the kinds of messages we should be sending out to people in Europe. If you pick up something like this, I am afraid we send the wrong signal to the people about aboriginal people and their feelings about the laws.

So I would like to ask that you maybe go beyond just making such a statement and also say that the unwritten laws of aboriginal people would probably say the same thing and that the respect is there.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Minister of Renewable Resources , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Madam Speaker, it is all semantics, and we can blow any particular word out of proportion if we want. My answer is in response to the suggestion made by Mr. Allooloo who was suggesting that there is a difference in that the Inuit see it as a privilege to harvest and not a right. I was suggesting that there is not a great difference but that the highest law of the land is the right to survive and that people, for thousands of years, have seen it as a right to harvest the wildlife of this land and their duty to manage it.

Then I suggested that if we want to fool around with the words "right" and "privilege" that, in my view, it would become a privilege to harvest if the resource was mismanaged and dwindling and no longer there as a certainty.

But in no way was I suggesting that people are lawless and have no regard for the law. We had a case just recently where Members of this legislature were extremely concerned with a federal law that was going to be proclaimed April 1 which suggested all Canadians would have to complete and pass a firearms safety course before they would be able to acquire a firearms acquisition certificate, which would have been expensive and, in large part, no use to the aboriginal people of the Northwest Territories.

There was concern that the law was not appropriate or relevant to the majority of our people and people did not want to be breaking the law or to show disrespect for it, but at the same time, because they had no

part in formulating it, they were expressing extreme concern with it. We have rectified that. Those are the examples we were responding to. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife North , Mr. Ballantyne .

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Question 405-12(5): Update On Negotiations Between Casaw And Miramar Con Mine

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 916

Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I have a question for the Premier or for an appropriate Minister, I'm not

sure what Minister could respond to this question. The Premier is aware that the Royal Oak/CASAW labour nightmare is slowly receding into the past and Yellowknife is slowly getting back to normal. But, there's a problem on the horizon in negotiations between the United Steelworkers of Canada and Miramar Con Mine. Many of my constituents are worried about where this dispute is heading. Could the Premier give us an update on what is happening with those negotiations?

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Madam Premier .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, I will have to take that question as notice. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for High Arctic , Mr. Pudluk .

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Question 406-12(5): Status Of Kheraj Enterprises Under Bip

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 917

Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is to the Minister for Housing . I have a question about Kheraj Enterprises Limited requesting local status under the BIP. Your deputy minister said on December 8, 1993 that the organization would be reviewed again to determine whether they could have local status in Pond Inlet. That was in 1993. Has the review been done? Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister for Housing , Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. To my knowledge, the review has not been completed yet. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Supplementary, Mr. Pudluk .

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Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

How long does it usually take to make that review and how much longer will we have to wait? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I don't know how long it will take, so I will have to get back to the Member. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, oral questions. The honourable Member for Natilikmiot , Mr. Ningark .

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Question 407-12(5): Financial Support For Students Attending School In Yellowknife

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 917

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, my question is directed to the honourable Minister for Education, Culture and Employment . Madam Speaker, we know that Akaitcho Hall is going to be closed in late spring or early summer. My question is, since there are students who wish to continue their education here in Yellowknife -- I have two boys who want to continue their education here -- will the Minister assure the House that the Department of Education will continue to pay for home boarding as well as air travel to and from communities for those students who want to study here in Yellowknife? Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 917

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Minister of Education, Culture and Employment Programs, Mr. Nerysoo .

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. For those who qualify, yes, we will continue to support them in home boarding and air travel.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Amittuq , Mr. Allooloo .

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Question 408-12(5): Time Frame For Review Of Bip

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 917

Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister of the Department of Public Works a question. I know the business incentive policy is being reviewed to improve it. When does the government think this will be done? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Public Works and Services , Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The business incentive policy revisions should be ready to go to Cabinet in May of this year and then it will go out for consultation this summer. Thank you.

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Before it becomes a policy, would we, as MLAs, have input before it is finalized? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Once I have agreement from Cabinet on the draft business incentive policy, then we will be consulting all northern businesses as well as the Members of the Legislative Assembly, hamlets, band councils and everybody. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for High Arctic , Mr. Pudluk .

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Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

Thank you, Madam Speaker. On the same issue to the same Minister. I asked a question about the status of a BIP review and he took the question as notice. When is he going to get back to me? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. The Minister of DPW did not take the question as notice. He indicated that he would get back to the Member. If a Minister takes a question as notice, he would not be allowed further questioning. Minister of Public Works and Services , Mr. Morin .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 918

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. We are reviewing the business incentive policy and local preference with regard to Kheraj Enterprises Limited. We have also done consultation with the community, the mayor, the council and the hamlet of Pond Inlet. They did not support local preference for Kheraj Enterprises Limited. Kheraj Enterprises Limited is a major subcontractor on a major Public Works project in the community right now and we are going to look at Kheraj's performance on that subcontract, including if he employed local people, what training he gave and other things. Once that contract is done, we can review local preference status again. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Aivilik , Mr. Arvaluk .

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Question 410-12(5): Minister's Meaning Of "qualifications" Of Students

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 918

James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment for clarification. There are so many broad words that can be used. My honourable colleague for Natilikmiot asked whether students who want to attend school in Yellowknife could be accommodated. My question is, what does the Minister mean by qualification, those who qualify? If a general course is being conducted in Cambridge Bay and if the student wants to study academics, is that part of the qualifications? What is the meaning of qualification? Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Minister of Education, Culture and Employment Programs, Mr. Nerysoo .

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. There are criteria that have been established for home boarding situations in Yellowknife. There's another issue where those students who are presently attending Sir John Franklin will be, what you might say, grandfathered in terms of continuing their education. Another element is, as part of the transfer of Sir John Franklin, we will be working out an agreement with both district school boards on their responsibility for home boarding and the services that they will provide to the students.

But, generally speaking, there are criteria that will allow you to qualify whether you receive home board. I will be prepared to provide that criteria to the honourable Member so that he is aware of it. It is generally criteria that are used across the Northwest Territories.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Arvaluk .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Do I understand the Minister then that it does not mean that those who want to study academics would not qualify? I will rephrase it, Madam Speaker. Those who want to study academic rather than general, will be qualified to come to Yellowknife if academic courses are not held in the Kitikmeot, for instance.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Education, Culture and Employment Programs, Mr. Nerysoo .

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Just for the purpose of Members, I believe that question was asked by the honourable Member for Deh Cho , for me to provide a copy of the programs and subjects that were provided in high school programming across the Northwest Territories. It's interesting to note that the academic programs are being offered in the Kitikmeot. What the honourable Member should be aware of is that in some cases some of the students will not be returning to Yellowknife next year, but will be attending high school either in Cambridge Bay or in Coppermine.

However, there are some students who will be completing their final year. But it is not a criteria for academic programming or general programming. The subjects for academics will be offered in the high school programs in both Coppermine and Cambridge Bay, next year.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Supplementary.

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I know that both courses are available in the grade extensions. However, there are some instances, like in Pond Inlet, where there were so many students taking general that it did not warrant having academic classes being held there because there were only one or two students who wanted to take them. Can these two students, for example, be sent to Yellowknife or another centre or another high school where they will be allowed to take academic courses, rather than general?

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Education, Culture and Employment Programs, Mr. Nerysoo .

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Generally, the decision, first of all, of choices of programs is really left with two groups. One, the CECs, through their representation to the divisional board. They determine the

courses that will be offered and the method by which those courses will be offered in the appropriate high school. Secondly, in responding to the needs of -- for instance, the honourable Member gave the example of two students. If the choice of the divisional board is for them to pursue what you might say are 10, 20 and 30 courses, and the suggestion to the divisional board is that they attend school in Iqaluit, that is certainly a decision that could be made in each divisional board.

What would concern me would be if the decisions were such that they didn't want to continue the development of their programs, rather would send them elsewhere. It's in their interest to develop the appropriate programming in their high school to deliver services and programs to students.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Arvaluk .

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I cannot see how he can say a divisional board has any business whatsoever to decide on behalf of the student what kind of course that student should be taking in high school. The CECs and divisional boards' responsibilities are to accommodate students to give them an education along the standards given by the Department of Education, to accommodate the students so that they may take a proper course if they wish to prepare themselves either for Arctic College, university or other trade schools.

My question to the Minister is that the parents or the education administrators -- meaning CEC or divisional board -- do not really know what is the best for that particular student who may be entering grade ten, 11 or 12, if he should take 10, 20 or 30 courses. Can the Minister tell the House that these students who want to take academic courses will be accommodated to the best extent possible, rather than given the run-around, telling them this course is not available in Pond Inlet, Coral Harbour or elsewhere? Would they be accommodated to the best of their ability? Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Minister of Education , just before you proceed, if I could remind Members to keep your

preamble as brief as possible. Minister of Education .

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I don't have a problem with the suggestion made by the honourable Member. However, I do say this, that the decision to offer courses and the subjects that are taken by particular students are really the choice of the student. We are prepared to offer, according to the curriculum that is offered which includes academic programs to those students who require them. We will do the best we can in trying to provide the best service possible to those particular students.

If the choice is such that it becomes difficult, then we have to find the alternatives by which we can offer those programs to those students. I just want to advise the honourable Member that the only difference that students will be able to identify, in terms of academic or general, in future, will be the subjects on their transcripts. In other words, if they are 10, 20 or 30, that will be the basis. There will only be one diploma that says you graduated and the basis on which you are considered academic will be the subjects on your transcripts at the end of the year.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Amittuq , Mr. Allooloo .

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Question 411-12(5): Policy To Assist Parents In Sending Their Children To Southern Schools

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Madam Speaker. To the Minister of Education . I would like to ask the Minister a question. He told me, during this session, that his department won't help a student from my constituency to be educated to any degree. So the parents end up having to pay for their kid's education, totally, even though the kid is an aboriginal person. Could the Minister tell me if there is any government policy that would assist parents in sending their kids to the south, even though there may be grade 12 education in the community in any language? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Education, Culture and Employment Programs, Mr. Nerysoo .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Just to indicate to the honourable Member, that I think he should first advise the House that Cabinet did make a decision on one particular case to support a student who was in the Member's constituency, in providing some financial support.

Secondly, there's no existing government policy that will allow us to support students to travel to southern institutions. Our policy is that we will develop programs in the Northwest Territories to the best of our ability. It's our first priority that our students attend quality programs in the Northwest Territories. That is the present policy, that was the policy before I was Minister and I believe it is a good policy.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Allooloo .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I know of a government policy that would assist parents if they are living in Yellowknife and Iqaluit if the parents would like to send their kids south. I thought it was government policy that the government would assist you to the tune of $5,600 if you're from Yellowknife and $5,800 from Iqaluit. Isn't that a government policy to help students to go to high school? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Minister of Education, Culture and Employment Programs, Mr. Nerysoo .

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I'm not aware of the existence of that policy. I don't believe there is one. I will review the matter, however, I can advise the Members of this House that I don't believe that policy exists.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Allooloo .

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you. It's unfortunate that the Minister doesn't know his own policy. The policy applies to French students. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Mr. Allooloo , there was no question there. This is oral question period. I would suggest that you make your comments under Members' statements. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife South , Mr. Whitford .

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Question 412-12(5): Termination Or Suspension Of Hay River Group Home Contract

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 920

Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I would like to direct a question to the Minister of Social Services . It deals with the matter of Greenway Holdings Limited that we heard about earlier on. I'm not quite clear on a couple of things, Madam Speaker, because I also received a document on the issue. I wanted to ask a question that relates to the termination or suspension of this contract. I would like to know whether or not the Department of Social Services has terminated this contract or has it just suspended the contract, pending the investigation that the Minister promised?

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Social Services , Ms. Mike .

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The contract was terminated on the recommendation of the regional superintendent by the deputy minister. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. It