Debates of Oct. 3rd, 1997

This is page numbers 1389 - 1412 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Negotiated Agreement Reached With Nwtta

Baffin Geoscience Project

Financing The Baffin Regional Hospital

Division Concerns In Thebacha

Breast Cancer In The Northwest Territories

Clean Up Of Fox-5 Dew Line Site

Entrepreneurial Trials And Tribulations

Breast Cancer Screening

Student Financial Assistance Concerns

Mlas Living In Yellowknife South

Community Justice Committees

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Information Program On Breast Cancer

Report Of Breast Cancer Working Group

Clean Up Of Fox-5 Dew Line Site

Community Empowerment In Arctic Bay

Communicating Division Planning

Regulatory Reform Initiative

Implications Of A Diamond Sorting Facility

Costs/benefits Of Keewatin Health Services

Marketing The Aurora Fund

Status Of Personnel Secretariat

Run For The Cure Challenge

Appointment Of Aurora Fund Manager

Division Of Aurora Fund Loans

Item 17: First Reading Of Bills

Bill 21:

An Act To Amend The Companies Act

Bill 22:

An Act To Amend The Corrections Act

Bill 20:

An Act To Amend The Property Assessment And Taxation Act

Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

Bill 21:

An Act To Amend The Companies Act

Bill 22:

An Act To Amend The Corrections Act

Bill 20:

An Act To Amend The Property Assessment And Taxation Act

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Recommendation To Adopt Model C Of The Nunavut Electoral Boundaries Commission Report

Td 93-13(4): Recommendation To Amend Model C

Td 93-13(4): Recommendation To Amend Model C

Td 93-13(4): Recommendation To Amend Model C

Td 93-13(4): Recommendation To Amend Model C

To Defer Consideration Of Cm 52-13(4)

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus . Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Miltenberger , Honourable Don Morin , Honourable Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable Manitok Thompson , Honourable John Todd .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 1389

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Good morning. Orders of the day. Item 2,

Ministers' statements. Mr. Todd .

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Minister's Statement 103-13(4): Negotiated Agreement Reached With Nwtta

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 1389

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Yes, thank you. Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to announce that a negotiated agreement has been reached with the NWT Teachers' Association. The NWTTA will submit the agreement to our teachers with a recommendation for ratification. Ratification results are expected by October 24, 1997.

The agreement covers the period September 1, 1996 to August 31, 1999. It contains all the provisions which were put in place on December 6, 1996. In addition, the agreement updates the northern allowance rates effective September 1, 1997 to reflect current cost-of-living differences especially in smaller and more remote communities. It also provides a onetime $1,500 signing bonus for teachers on strength during the 1996/97 school year.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 103-13(4): Negotiated Agreement Reached With Nwtta

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 1389

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers statements. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Minister's Statement 104-13(4): Baffin Geoscience Project

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, over the past several years, the Northwest Territories has led all other Canadian jurisdictions in mineral exploration expenditures. The target of most of these exploration expenditures has been diamonds in the central Northwest Territories, primarily in the North Slave and Kitikmeot regions. Other regions have not seen a significant amount of mineral exploration.

There are currently two base metal mines in the Baffin region. Polaris and Nanisivik. Eventually these mines will close. To date, there are no advanced exploration projects in the region which hold the promise of developing into new mines in the next decade.

Mr. Speaker, we must continue to conduct mineral exploration in the Baffin. Due to the high costs and challenges of exploration in the north, we must find ways to stimulate interest and share current geological data.

To that end, a new partnership. which we hope will be the beginning of many, is in place. The Department of Resources. Wildlife and Economic Development, the Geological Survey of Canada and the Qikiqtaaluk Corporation are embarking on an initiative to increase and more fully utilize the available geological knowledge base in the Baffin region.

The objectives of the project are to assemble the available geoscientific data and make an assessment of the potential for minerals which can be mined economically. The research project will focus on the Melville Peninsula and central and northern Baffin Island.

Geoscience work is an important part of mineral exploration development. Geological mapping and sample collection by government agencies creates a knowledge base which mineral exploration companies can utilize while conducting their activities. The products of this partnership project will be used to promote mineral exploration and lay the groundwork for future geoscience research and mapping projects.

Mineral exploration and mining industries provide economic growth, increased employment and expanded business opportunities. We are working to ensure that the Baffin, like other regions in the Northwest Territories, takes advantage of the current growth in mineral exploration and the economic opportunities it provides. Partnerships of this type will ensure that we are positioning ourselves to encourage and to maximize opportunities for economic development related to mineral exploration and mining industries. Mahsi.

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Minister's Statement 104-13(4): Baffin Geoscience Project

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Member's Statement 420-13(4): Financing The Baffin Regional Hospital

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As a MLA for the Baffin region, Mr. Speaker, I rise today to speak about the recent confusion regarding the financing of a new hospital for the Baffin region. Members of the Legislative Assembly from the Baffin region have been hearing many things, some contradictory regarding this issue and I have been very concerned.

For example, has $47 million been committed or is it $25 million? Why do Baffin residents have to pay for their hospital and other regions do not? What does 85 percent federal contribution mean in real dollars? Is the money for renovations or replacement of the 35 year-old hospital? Why has the board said no to private financing or have they? Mr. Speaker, I believe more than anything else all of the stakeholders were suffering from the lack of information and a clear understanding of the complex issues around the financing of the hospital.

I arranged for a meeting with the Baffin MLAs, the Minister of Health and Social Services and his staff in an effort to remedy this as soon as possible and avoid raising public concern unnecessarily. The Minister and his staff answered the many questions put to them by the Baffin MLAs. I also requested Ann Hanson. chair of the Baffin Regional Health Board to come to Yellowknife and meet with the Baffin MLAs to outline the issues and to clarify her concerns. I appreciate the fact that she responded immediately and came to Yellowknife on very short notice.

The meeting in my opinion was very productive. I believe this cooperative effort gave all of us a better picture of the issue and cleared up the misconceptions. We found common ground. After all, Mr. Speaker, we all share the same goal of getting a new hospital for the people of the Baffin region.

Ann Hanson and the Baffin MLAs will work together to prepare a letter to Minister Ng outlining the issues discussed at the meeting and confirm that the Baffin Regional Health Board remains open to all options for financing the Baffin Hospital. Ms Hansen will be discussing this issue when the foundation board meets on October 9th. In closing, Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank the MLAs, Mr. Picco , Mr. Ningark and Mr. Barnabas for helping on this important issue.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Member's Statement 421-13(4): Division Concerns In Thebacha

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1390

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Very clearly one of the biggest major challenges facing this Assembly is the issue of division, which will effect every one of the people we represent in the Northwest Territories. Mr. Speaker, the people that I represent want to understand this process and what is going on. However at this point they are besieged by all sorts of information. We have formula financing arrangements, we have transitional funding, we have incremental funding, we have goods. Our assets and liabilities need to be divided. People do not know exactly what is going on.

We need good, clear information for the people, that demonstrates we know and are in control of this process. The people want assurances, Mr. Speaker, that at the end of the day the level of service and programs cannot suffer, east or west, because of division. We have an obligation as we move ahead to give that good, clear, understandable information and keep the people informed. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 421-13(4): Division Concerns In Thebacha

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Member's Statement 422-13(4): Breast Cancer In The Northwest Territories

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This Sunday, hundreds of people across our territory will "Run for the Cure" raising money for breast cancer research. Breast cancer is now the leading cause of death from cancer for territorial residents, second only to lung cancer. Breast cancer rates among northern aboriginal women especially, are on the rise, and yet the Northwest Territories is the only jurisdiction in Canada that does not have a breast cancer screening program. Since 1991, 25 northern women have died prematurely because of breast cancer.

How many more will have to die or suffer the painful effects of intensive later stage treatment because their government did not fund an early detection program.

In July an ad hoc group of concerned citizens and organizations produced a report calling for more programs to increase awareness across the north of this disease. The recommendations call for the development of an early detection program. When this report was released, the Northwest Territories' medical health officer was quoted in the media as saying, "An awareness campaign would be difficult because regional health boards had different priorities, and were responsible for setting their own agendas." Surely this government has a way of making all residents, regardless of region, aware of this important issue.

Breast cancer has one of the best cancer survival rates, if caught early. By not having an early detection program in place, health officials are taking unnecessary chances with the health of northern women and others. I urge this government to consider finding the money to implement an early detection screening program so that one day events like Sunday's "Run for the Cure" will no longer be necessary and we will all be able to look forward to many years of good health for our mothers, sisters, spouses and friends. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 422-13(4): Breast Cancer In The Northwest Territories

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Member's Statement 423-13(4): Clean Up Of Fox-5 Dew Line Site

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning. Mr. Speaker. Nine kilometres from Broughton Island is the Fox-5 DEW Linesite. Two kilometres from the community is DEW Line cargoing beach that was used by the DEW Line. These sites are of great concern to local people. A 1991 study of the area was done by Roads Rhodes Military College Environmental Science Group. The group found a lot of visible debris at the sites which needs to be cleaned up, debris that includes waste such as oil, scrap metal, storage containers and barrels. In addition, the group found several locations where there were high levels of PCBs and some of the PCBs were moving from the landfill area towards Davis Strait.

Mr. Speaker, this site being so close to the community of Broughton Island and the possible impact on local wildlife, the priority of this site needs to be moved forward. It is because of this concern that I will be bringing this issue forward during the oral question period. Thank you.

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Member's Statement 423-13(4): Clean Up Of Fox-5 Dew Line Site

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Roland .

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Member's Statement 424-13(4): Entrepreneurial Trials And Tribulations

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning. Mr. Speaker, seeing that this Friday, I would like to do something that I have not done before in this House and that is to give you a little story with a northern twist. You see, there was a fellow who smoked fish and did quite a good job. So good, in fact, that he was having a difficult time keeping up with the demand. So, he went and bought a couple of more fish nets, built himself another smoke house, and he hired a couple of people to help him out.

Well, as word spread out that there was this great product available in the north, travellers from all over the world would stop by and buy his product. Sales were going through the roof. On the advice of those around him, he went to the government for help in developing his plans to further expand his thriving little industry. Once in the

government office, he was told that they would try and put a plan together for him and help him through the red tape. As he left there, he was wondering about this red tape the government talked about.

Meanwhile, back at the camp, things were going smoothly. That night after supper he sat back and thought things were going good enough that he could finally put a small addition on his home and prepare for child number three. He no longer had to worry about how he could provide for his growing family. Later that week, he returned to the government office to find that they had prepared a plan for him. In this plan, he was told that he would need new equipment like bigger boats and improved working gear for his staff. He was also told that he would have to replace all his smoke houses.

He was told that it would cost him $250,000. Well. that was too much money so he said that he would just have to carry on as he was until he could afford to make the changes. It was at this time he was told that because of the policies of this government he would have to make the changes or he would not be allowed to carry on with what he had started. In fact, if he continued to carry on with what he was doing, he could be charged with an offence. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my Member's statement.

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Member's Statement 424-13(4): Entrepreneurial Trials And Tribulations

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Inuvik is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? Mr Roland, you have unanimous consent.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, colleagues. This is quite upsetting as he was a law abiding citizen. He agreed to make the necessary changes. With this, they began to put together a financing package. Well, the banks would not recognize his assets like the smoke houses and the fish nets as being worth much. He was also told that since he did not have an established credit rating that they would not be able to help him out. With, this in hand, he went back to the government and told them what the banks had said. The government told him because of the recession, they would not be able to help him out.

He asked what he could do. He was told he would have to close down his fish smoking operation until he could find some support. He then asked how would he support his family if he could not keep his operation open. He was told that he should go down to the income support office. Finally, he went back to his home and told his family and workers that they would have to shut down and go to the income support office. When he and his now past employees showed up at the income support office, they were told to qualify for support that they would have to make a productive choice. So, ends my story, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 424-13(4): Entrepreneurial Trials And Tribulations

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Member's Statement 425-13(4): Breast Cancer Screening

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, last year I had asked the Minister for Health about breast cancer screening and availability of portable screening equipment.

This weekend there will be a walk here in Yellowknife and other communities to raise the awareness of breast cancer issues. Mr. Speaker, the north is experiencing dramatic increases in the instances of breast cancer. In a recent

summary report produced by the NWT Breast Cancer Working Group should be prerequisite reading for all Members of this House. The report was carried out in 1996. Sixteen breast cancer survivors were interviewed. At the time of diagnoses the women were 30 to 64 years of age and the average age was 46. Participants represented the cultural diversity of the Northwest Territories, two Inuit, two Metis, two Denes, eight Euro-Canadians and two new Canadians were included in the group. In Nunavut and the Western Arctic, we have begun to see increased awareness of breast cancer and increased incidence of the disease.

Many of the diagnosed breast cancer patients are left in the situation with an uninformed and nonsupportive environment.

Mr. Speaker, there should not be any stigma attached to the disease. If this government would help with information and support breast health awareness programs as asked and recommended by the Northwest Territories Breast Cancer Working Group, then we will have made some progress. In Canada a women dies of breast cancer every 90 minutes. Mr. Speaker, if breast cancer is detected early, the five year survival rate can be more than 90 percent. The problem here, Mr. Speaker, is that since my questions on screening equipment last year in this House, very little has been done. Mr.

Speaker, I was not aware of the issues surrounding breast cancer until a constituent came to my office in Iqaluit last year and explained the problems, loneliness and lack of community-based counselling. It was heart wrenching and the ignorance I felt about the disease is too wide spread. It was after that I asked about the screening equipment in this House that could help with early detection.

The report made by the NWT Breast Cancer Working Group has made several recommendations and later today, I will be asking again the Minister for Health for an update as to the progress the department and this government is making on this most important issue. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 425-13(4): Breast Cancer Screening

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Picco . Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .

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Member's Statement 426-13(4): Student Financial Assistance Concerns

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to speak about Student Financial Assistance. Mr. Speaker, recently many college and university students went back to school. I am asking our esteemed colleagues across the hall to ensure that those students can continue going back to those colleges and universities by maintaining the current rates of student financial assistance and, in fact, increasing them in some places.

Mr. Speaker, the current assistance we provide to students is only a portion of the actual cost of attending university or college. Tuition rates, book allowance and travel costs seldom cover the actual amounts students have to spend. I am concerned that the appointment of a task force by the Honourable Charles Dent , the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , means that this government is looking to cut funding levels. The report has not been tabled yet, but the task force conducted public hearings on potential changes to Student Financial Assistance.

Many students do not have other sources of income other than summer jobs to help pay for a year of food and shelter. Older students with families who are trying to better their education are often hardest hit. Students who struggle to pay their way can find themselves with bad credit ratings when they cannot pay all their bills.

I must warn against comparing the Government of the Northwest Territories Student Financial Assistance Program to other jurisdictions. The opportunities for northern students to take courses close to home is quite limited. While the Aurora and Nunavut Arctic Colleges are filling roles, many students still must travel thousands of miles from home to study at university. Not only are their travel costs high, but the cost of trying to stay in touch with family members is also high.

The Members of this current Assembly have identified education as the answer to many of the north's social problems and unemployment rates. Providing adequate student financial assistance is an investment in the north's future and as someone much wiser than I once said, if you think education is expensive, think of the cost of not .supporting education. Thank you.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Henry .

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Member's Statement 427-13(4): Mlas Living In Yellowknife South

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last year, Mr. Speaker, I brought forward to this House an information item dealing with pride. The source of my pride was my constituency. To me, Yellowknife South is the best place to live. It really is great. So great, that six of my honourable colleagues choose to reside in my constituency last year. This year, two more of my colleagues, the honourable Member for Hay River and Nunakput have seen the light and decided to join us. Welcome.

Mr. Speaker, why do so many from our Assembly want to live in the riding of Yellowknife South? Is it because of excellent schools, good roads and easy access to retail stores? Is it that they feel well represented in this Legislature Assembly?

--Laughter

We must, because, eight of us live there. Perhaps, my honourable colleagues have just liked each others company. For the Premier and the honourable Members who have not realized that Yellowknife South is the best place to live, we are waiting. What is the matter? If half of the Cabinet and one-third of the honourable Members have chosen Yellowknife South to live in, why have not the rest of you? I wonder, Mr. Speaker, since I represent one-third of the Members in this House, can my title be changed from honourable Member to Yellowknife South party leader?

--Applause

For those honourable Members who have chosen to live in Yellowknife South, I will continue to represent you in the Legislative Assembly to the best of my abilities. For those of you who have yet to make the move, what are you waiting for? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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Member's Statement 428-13(4): Community Justice Committees

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to talk about the growing issues across the north. A number of communities are currently participating in exploring the advantage of setting up community justice committees. Over the past weekend, myself and a number of Rae-Edzo residents had the privilege to participate in a workshop hosted by the honourable Premier 's home community of Fort Resolution. This workshop gave us all a great insight as to the working of the community's justice committee and the reaction from the community. It was very well organized.

We had a number of frank discussions with elders and youth alike. I believe that this type of system can work and is working in most communities. I hope that our Justice Department and communities work together to ensure to get the most benefit available. I would like to say that it takes a lot of hard work and perseverance and dedication by the committee, but the benefits are there. To end, I would like to thank the community of Fort Resolution for the excellent opportunity to learn and participate in the workshop. Keep up the good work. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Rabesca . Members' statements. Are there any further Members' Statements? Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise on a point of order. For Members' information on Member's statement 417-13(4), Relocation of Federal Civil Servants. On October 2, 1997, the unedited Hansard on page 2307 and 2308, the Member Mr. Ootes stated, "You will recall the reason for the motion was because Cabinet was pursuing only the mineral, oil and gas functions. In the motion, Ordinary Members asked this thrust be expanded."

In case, Mr. Speaker, there is a lapse in memory, all Members of the Legislative Assembly will recall that the government had briefed Ordinary Members' Caucus on ourselves pursuing the transfer of federal employees to the Northwest Territories prior to this motion being raised in the House and prior to Mr. Ootes making his Member's statement. So, it was a thrust that the government is already pursuing so there may be a slip in memory, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Morin . Mr. Morin , you do not have a point of order. You do have a point of debate, but we do not have that on the order paper. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

I would like to recognize Peter Hope and your friend, Mr. Nahanni. Welcome to the Assembly. Mr Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Mr. Speaker, under recognition of visitors to the gallery, since I do not often get a chance to recognize people, I once again would like to recognize Mr. Cliff King from Inuvik, a long time resident dedicated to the community of Inuvik.

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Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Ootes

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Question 577-13(4): Information Program On Breast Cancer

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker This morning, I spoke about the breast cancer problems that we have here in the Northwest Territories. Last year this question was brought up many times and we asked the government to look into this matter. My question will be directed to the Minister of Health . Mr. Ng , We asked that an information program be started and that perhaps pamphlets that are produced in other jurisdictions be duplicated here for the Northwest Territories and put into the aboriginal languages. Breast cancer is a hidden disease and deaths are happening throughout the territories possibly as we speak, Mr. Speaker.

This is the only jurisdiction in Canada without a screening program. I wonder if the Minister could address the question again. Is he prepared to look at providing an information program as a start for the Northwest Territories?

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Health and Social Services . Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the department has been active in this area. In fact, the working group on breast cancer screening had completed a report on the development of guidelines for the implementation of breast cancer screening programs. That information now has been disseminated and those guidelines and recommendations are now provided to the boards from the department. It is expected that there will be implementation working groups at the board level to deal with how to implement breast cancer screening programs for their service areas, Mr Speaker. Thank you.

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Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr Ootes.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I asked last year if the Minister would consider providing a portable machine that could be used for travel throughout the Northwest Territories for screening. I am wondering if the Minister can address that question for me. Will the department consider that?

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Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I believe in response to that question and the same response this year, the boards have the say in outlining what their capital needs are. They may have other priorities that they deem within their service area, as far as addressing the needs of their health centres or their hospitals under the board's jurisdiction. We are certainly not opposed, non-supportive of having a portable mammography machine available if the request comes forward as a priority of any boards. They have to take into consideration, of course, the cost effectiveness of that equipment and the service that it is going to provide for the residents, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I hear the Minister again absolving his responsibility onto the boards and I do not think that is my question. My question is, is this government prepared to do something about breast screening problems in the territories? We are the only jurisdiction in Canada that does not have it. It is not a board problem. This is a territorywide problem, and I think the government has to address this problem. A funding program has been initiated in the territory to put a new mammogram machine at the Stanton Regional Hospital. This is not the government doing it. It is private individuals. I am wondering if the government will address this problem, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I indicated the government is addressing the problem by developing and implementing breast screening programs with the providers, the deliverers of the health care services in the territories, our boards, our partners. In respect to the capital requirement of the specific portable mammography machine, if there is a request that comes forward and they feel it is their priority to initiate that type of equipment for their service, then we will be supportive in looking at assisting them to that effect. Thank you.

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Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you. I think the initiation of a program like this should start at this government not with the regional boards. This is a territorial-wide problem and if one individual board starts to take action, it does not mean the other boards have the time or perhaps the means to do anything about it. This government has to address this problem, and it is not an expensive problem. It is one of making literature and so forth available and a bit of machinery. I will ask the question again.

Will the Minister dedicate some effort into this area so that by next year when we ask this question we will not be facing a critical question period that we can say, great we have accomplished something? Will the Minister commit to do that? Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, once again the department has developed and is in the process of assisting boards in implementing breast screening programs. It is up to the boards to set the priorities for the service. If individual boards have different priorities that they would deem necessary to deal with to improve or enhance the service within their areas. If they see that breast cancer screening is one of those priorities, then they will act on it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 578-13(4): Report Of Breast Cancer Working Group

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to follow-up on some questions just related by my honourable colleague from Yellowknife. Mr. Speaker, has the Minister of Health reviewed the

summary report by the Northwest Territories Breast Cancer Working Group? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, no I cannot say that I personally reviewed the report. I know members of my staff, the working group on breast cancer screening, have had an opportunity to review it, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. After this session, I will give a copy of the report to the Minister. Will the Department of Health and Social Services, in cooperation with the Northwest Territories health boards, provide training to all Northwest Territories' physicians and community health nurses to include information on breast health issues? I guess I should give some examples in how to obtain clinical breast examinations, how to instruct others in doing breast self examinations which is called BSE and the importance of screening mammograph.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I will have to wait and see what the regional implementation teams would recommend in respect to the services, the training, literature and support that they will require before we would take it to the next step, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, in my constituency one of the concerns raised by a couple of people afflicted with this disease was that information was not available in aboriginal languages or in plain language. I wonder if the Minister would recommend to the health boards, and with financial contribution because it costs a lot of money to translate the information, material to make sure this information is available. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, certainly it is important that people understand in their own language and comprehend services and prevention measures that might be available to them, so certainly we will be supportive of that, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, I think the Minister, in a territorial health-wide issue like this, should take the lead and be asking the health boards how they will be dealing with this issue. I wonder if the Northwest Territories' Department of Health and Social Services will work with concerned groups to initiate and support a Northwest Territories' breast health awareness campaign? Will he direct his departmental officials to work with the boards to do this? Thank you. Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Certainly we would be receptive to any proposals that may have to deal with development and implementation of a breast health awareness campaign. Thank you.

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question will be directed to the Honourable Mr. Kakfwi . Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development . As I mentioned in my Member's statement this morning concerning Fox-5 DEW Linesite, nine kilometres from Broughton Island, Mr. Speaker, we know by reading the cleanup plan that was put out by the Department of National Defence. According to that cleanup plan, Fox-5 was not scheduled until the year 2000 to start the cleanup and finish up the cleanup by 2003.

To the residents of Broughton Island, knowing that PCB is spreading gradually, my question to the honourable Minister is, can his department make every effort to put forward the start of the cleanup before the year 2000? Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you. Mr Speaker. The cleanup of the DEW Line sites is an ongoing responsibility of the federal government. We have, as a government of the Northwest Territories, taken an active role in ensuring that we assist as much as we can to ensure that the lobs are all done properly and done with a political perspective of the people of the areas affected. It is my view that the DEW Line sites and the cleanup are being continuously monitored and if it is necessary to repriorize the areas that need attention in advance of other sights, then we are prepared to do that. Thank you.

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

agreement with the Government of the United States and have assumed responsibilities for the cleanups. It is of concern that residents of the north were not privy to these negotiations.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would be happy to do that and will provide a report to the Members as soon as possible. Thank you.

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Question 580-13(4): Community Empowerment In Arctic Bay

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

My question will be directed to the honourable Minister Thompson , Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs . As you know and other Members of this House, I had concern on community empowerment since last year and I believe this is a significant priority to this government. I believe it is the right for the communities to accept more responsibilities and authorities for the future wellness of our communities and our residents. My constituencies of Grise Fjord, Resolute and Arctic Bay have shown a great deal of enthusiasm towards community empowerment.

In doing so they feel there has been a problem in transfer of jurisdiction to the hamlet. My question is, can the Minister please tell me why the community of Arctic Bay received a total of $76,000 when the program was transferred in April, 1996 and today received less than the same position in just one year? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The government liaison officers were transferred to the Baffin communities in April, 1996. I understand that the Baffin regional office paid the Baffin communities at the same level for April and May as was paid in the 1996/97 fiscal year, rather than at the reduced rate which was reflected in the collective agreement. In June an adjustment was made to recover the over payment and that is why the community feels they have been wronged, That is the explanation for that. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to thank the honourable Minister for responding. However, I know that my community of Arctic Bay is receiving less funding for GLO position. I would like to know from the honourable Minister what she is going to do to correct this situation.

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. MACA will be working with the Department of Executive and Financial Management Board to find a solution to this situation for the Member. Thank you.

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Question 581-13(4): Communicating Division Planning

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister responsible for Division, Mr. Todd . The issue of division is taking more and more attention by everybody. The issue I talked about in my Member's statement of trying to come up with understandable, clear information to the people to keep them up to speed and to allay any concerns. The question I would like to pose to the Minister, does he see this as an issue and how does he intend to proceed to address it? Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to point out to my honourable colleague, I now have two able assistants, the Honourable Goo Arlooktoo and the Honourable Charles Dent . I welcome them to the fold as they say in this difficult issue of the creation of two new territories. It is my intention later on next week to table a document that will show, hopefully, to the territories and politicians like yourselves and others, a pragmatic, practical approach to put in the essential ingredients, the essential services that are going to be required to get two new territories up and running.

In this report that I intend to table later next week, it also identifies some of the shortfalls, if you want, with respect to some of the transitional costs. It also tries to allay some western fears in respect to the need for a table to discuss incremental costs and ongoing transitional costs for a Western Territory as it unfolds. I am hopeful that we will get some buy in this transition plan because I fundamentally believe that it does provide a blue print for the initial steps that are necessary to ensure that we can celebrate on April 1, 1999, as our Premier frequently says. Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I hope that in fact, Mr. Todd , and his two able assistants or colleagues will in fact come to be known as the three wise-men of division.

--Laughter

Hopefully, if we do this right, not the three blind mice. Mr. Speaker, my question remains, while the Minister talks of transitional documents which are important, they are not written for the average public or the average person. Could the Minister indicate how he intends to, translate that and come up with a communication plan which is so critical and as an Assembly, we have struggled with to present this kind of information in a clear and timely way to the people? Thank you.

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Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Mr. Speaker, I want to ensure my honourable colleague, it will not be the blind leading the blind. I believe once we table this document that it is and we instructed them to write it in a manner that is understandable to the public at large and to ourselves. I think that it has been designed and the writing style is a very pragmatic one. I am hopeful that most people will be able to understand it. However, we will have a communication strategy and we will have a number of executive summaries of this report and we intend to, as we have been this last week, be talking to all the parties.

Yesterday, I finished a briefing with Mr. Natsiq Kango who is the Secretary Treasurer of NTI. We have had a number of briefings with the Interim Commissioner's office. I have spoken to both federal Ministers, Mr. Martin and Ms. Stewart on the document. We presented the document to Caucus. This afternoon, we are going to go through a detailed review of the document with the Nunavut Caucus. We need to do exactly the same thing with the public at large. We are developing that right now to ensure that everybody fully understands what we are suggesting in this transition plan.

If I may this morning, I would like to have the opportunity to stress to everybody, it is exactly that, a transition plan. It is not a complete blueprint for division. It is not a complete blueprint for the two new emerging governments. That is up to the two new emerging governments. It is a transition plan to put the essential bureaucratic services in place so that on April 1, 1999, we can have two functional governments. The transitional plan is going to require some buy-in by all the partners. There is no question about that.

I am hoping that we will have a healthy debate about it in this house later on next week and the following weeks as we move forward in this session. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Very clearly while Mr. Todd and his colleagues have a leadership role to play, we all have an obligation and responsibility in this process. The questions that we are going to have to respond to are going to be very simple. One of the fundamental questions that I think we have to address and I would like the Minister to speak to is, the whole issue east and west. Will division have a negative effect on services and programs in the two new territories? I think that is one of the most fundamental assurances that we have to try to provide people If the Minister could just briefly speak to that particular critical issue. Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker I think that is a good question and it is one that has been asked by everybody across the territories, is there going to be fairness, equity and transparency in the process. I want to assure my honourable colleagues here there is going to be exactly that. There will be fairness, equity and transparency in the process. In my discussion with Mr. Martin last week, I wanted to get his support as I have said consistently for two formulas with respect to the gross expenditure base.

I am reasonably confident and I am reluctant to say today whether he will agree or not agree, but I am reasonably confident he understands the need for this approach. I am hopeful that in the next week or so I will be able to get an affirmative response from him. When I do, I will announce that in the House. I have a great deal of respect for the Finance Minister of Canada and a great deal of respect for when he tells me what he is going to do. He will do exactly what he says he is going to do.

The issue of two new formulas, if that is what my colleague is alluding to, and the need to establish an appropriate gross expenditure base based upon the kind of new governments that we see emerging is critical if we are going to get fairness, equity and transparency in the process. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 582-13(4): Regulatory Reform Initiative

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in my Member's statement I referred to government red tape and its impact on the people of the territories. Mr. Speaker, we heard over the summer there was some work being done on regulatory reform. My question would be directed to the Minister responsible for Regulatory Reform, I believe it is the Honourable Mr. Kakfwi . I would like to know if this regulatory reform addresses some of the areas of aboriginal people when it comes to the natural food and the process and that ability to

produce things that would be saleable within the territories and probably elsewhere? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Minister responsible for Resources . Wildlife and Economic Development, Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The regulatory reform initiative that was launched by Cabinet last March has done some work to date. As Members know, the government has said two years ago when our new terms began that we were going to put the focus on the private sector for the creation of jobs. To that end, on our part we recognize that there may be a lot of what you would call red tape and artificial barriers that would prevent small business initiatives from creating the necessary momentum to be successful. This regulatory reform initiative has been set up.

We have set up a small office and several projects have been set up in the last few months that would look at different sectors of our economy and the businesses that have potential to grow and to look at the different sectors and see how the present environment is perceived by those sectors whether it is really a jungle or whether there are major obstacles in the way of growth in the private sector because of bureaucracy and regulatory entanglement. When we look at small businesses, being initiated by aboriginal peoples it is one of the sectors we are currently looking at. Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That is good news for many of the small businesses especially when we have a lot of natural products in the north that we see at local events such as northern games, but as soon as those products go up for sale we run into problems with meeting codes and different regulations. In particular, can the Minister inform me of any work that is going on within this initiative to address the local and northern products we have? For example, I used in my story the smoked fish or the meat or local hunts. I know we have to meet some pretty large regulations right now when it comes to any kind of meats. Can the Minister inform me of that? Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

My Speaker, some of the issues that the Member has raised are in fact outside of the regime of this government. For instance, in regulation of what you call the red meat issue, we have an abundance of, for instance, caribou meat in the Northwest Territories and other wild meat. It is under the legislative authority and jurisdiction of the federal government that meat wild, or domestic, is exported and licensed for consumption, resale and marketing.

But having said that, as a Minister, I have been working for sometime on trying to resolve some of these impediments to the export of red meat from the Northwest Territories to southern markets. I had a meeting recently with the Minister of Agriculture and we have, I think, basically resolved the issue of egg marketing. We have signed an agreement that says we will commit to going to our respective Cabinets to ensure that the Northwest Territories will become part of the egg marketing agency that we have been excluded from previously.

I believe that is going to be resolved after a long history of conflict, argument and dissension amongst us mainly between the southern producers and ourselves here in the north. On the red meat issue, it is an area of work that again needs resolution. We have no particular, quick solutions to that although the Minister, Mr. Vanclief, has agreed to put our officials to work on it with a view of trying to resolve the difficulties that we have in the Northwest Territories to recent selling caribou meat, muskox meat and other meats from the Northwest Territories to buyers in the south.

Some of the difficulties we acknowledge are international, for instance buyers in Europe and the United States. Having said that, we have agreed to work on that together. Thank you.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question today is to the Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd , on the implications of acquiring a diamond valuation sorting facility for the north. Mr. Speaker, on Wednesday, we heard several Members including myself on the issue of diamond valuation and sorting facility for the north. My colleagues, Mrs. Groenewegen from Hay River, and Mr. Ootes and myself from Yellowknife, all spoke on this issue. It may have appeared that this call for a facility in the north is a local or regional interest. My question to the Minister is, is this a local issue or does it have territorial implications? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Mr. Speaker, no. I want to assure my honourable colleague that this is a major policy issue in relationship to the way in which Canada is going to determine in the north our tax royalty regime as well as if you want the secondary benefits derived from this industry that is very dynamic. As I said earlier in my speech, I do not think we want to be treated any differently or our desires are any different than Mr. Tobin's are in Newfoundland with Voisey Bay. I think he is going through the same issues.

If not, as he wants to ensure that he gets for his constituents the kind of levels of revenues that is due an area like Newfoundland, I think we are no different. We are saying we have got a major project on our doorstep. It has territorial-wide implications in respect to our fiscal position. It provides us for the first time, as long as I can remember, if we do this right and if our partners, the federal

government, agree to do it right with us, it provides us with an opportunity to be less dependent than we have ever been in the past. I want to remind everybody and I am sure I do not need to, but I have to remind the territorial population this is one diamond mine. There maybe others to come. My honourable colleague is correct. This is not a small regionalized, localized issue it has territorial implications both now and certainly for the future when the two emerging governments will occur on April 1, 1999. Thank you.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, when the appropriate legislation is put in place by the federal government - and you will note that I said when and not if -- can the Minister please indicate what the next process will be in the establishment of this facility? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Our focus right now, Mr. Kakfwi in particular and myself, as I said many times in this House is to get the federal government to recognize the diamond sorting valuation and I want to stress that diamond sorting and valuation must be done in the Northwest Territories and must be done off site. I heard yesterday that the new spin from BHP is well, we are going to do it on site whether we like or not. That is totally unacceptable. Let me say that loud and clear. First of all we have to ensure that in the diamond regulations, they are currently being developed, if you want as our former colleagues, Mr.

Avison, used to say the rules engagement are now being developed. We hope that he will be developing partnership with us. Certainly Mr. Kakfwi 's department and my own, Finance, have been intimately involved in trying to influence if you want how these regulations will occur. We have not yet seen what the final regulations will be. We have insisted that we be an equal partner in this process. I think it will be premature by me to say it this time what the next step will be.

Our focus has to be to ensure that we get into regulations and work with our federal colleagues in developing an appropriate course of action and Mr. Kakfwi 's office has been very active in this side of things. Hopefully we will come to a satisfactory arrangement to satisfy both Canadians and southern Canada and more importantly northerners in northern Canada. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Henry .

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Does the Minister have any indication from the Minister of DIAND, Minister Stewart, as to when the draft documents of the mining regulations will be ready for the Government of the Northwest Territories input? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

No, at this time I do not have an indication. I know that it is currently being worked on. I believe so and there is some discussion underway with industry and hopefully with ourselves. I think we are reasonably entrenched in the process. I would hope that the partnership, cooperative arrangement that we currently have with the federal government would be maintained.

I know that we have cranked up the stakes lately, and I think it is important that we do that. I would hope that the federal government would see that we have a legitimate point of view that we are either a legitimate partner in the process or we are not. I am fairly confident Minister Stewart recognizes that we need to be a legitimate, equal partner in the process and as we move forward.

I am trying to develop public policy Because that is what this is all about, as to how the diamond industry operates in Canada and how we can reap the benefits, if you want, and ensure that the industry has a reasonable playing field that they can make the kinds of dividend payments that they expect to ensure there is some stability for the shareholders and they can continue to invest in this part of the country. Thank you.

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Question 584-13(4): Costs/benefits Of Keewatin Health Services

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister responsible for Health and Social Services . Mr. Speaker, in a recent report the Minister conducted regarding the Keewatin Health Board and the Baffin Health Board, he indicated that there will be a cost benefit and analysis conducted regarding the major changes that would take place to the Baffin Health Services. My question to the Minister, did the Minister also request that a cost benefit analysis be conducted regarding the major changes to the services in the Keewatin? Thank you.

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The Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the recommendations, a cost benefit analysis on the Keewatin changes was not one of the recommendations. Thank you.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question then would be why was a cost benefit analysis not requested? Will the Minister move forward to request a cost benefit analysis before any major changes are made regarding health services in the Keewatin? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Mr. Ng . Two questions.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, a cost benefit analysis for the Keewatin was not seen as an integral part of the change there as a direct result of the fact that the costs were already in place for bringing in services from outside. It is a matter of where they received those services from.

In respect of why it was recommended in the case of the proposed Baffin changes because they were doing an entire shift of their service from one jurisdiction to a different jurisdiction which has, of course, financial implications based on the fee schedules and would have financial implications based on having to set up a new referral service, new boarding arrangements, new interpreter services and those types of things that would have to be put in place, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Mr. Speaker, with the upheaval and uncertainty regarding the major changes in health services in the Keewatin, will the Minister state in this House that he guarantees that the public, the Keewatin residents, are not at risk and will not be at risk as a result of these proposed changes? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Can I ask the Member for Kivallivik if he can maybe rephrase his question regarding no Minister can guarantee the health of people or the lives of people, but they can answer to the policies that govern the health issues of people. I would like to ask the Member if he can rephrase his question. Mr. O'Brien .

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I believe at one point there were assurances given that the people in the Keewatin would not be at risk, are not at risk as a result of these changes. I am asking the Minister to state that in the House today. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Can I ask the member for Kivallivik again, to rephrase the question again regarding the level of services. The level of health services that will not put at risk would be the appropriate way of putting it. The Minister cannot guarantee, you know, the risk. He can only address the delivery that would eliminate that risk. I think the Minister knows the general question and perhaps he would like to respond.

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Keewatin Central

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Question 585-13(4): Marketing The Aurora Fund

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yesterday we heard something about the Aurora Fund. I would like to follow up on that. My question is to the Minister in charge of the Aurora Fund, Mr. Todd . How do Northwest Territorial businesses know how to apply for this fund? How are they marketing this fund in the Northwest Territories? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

It is not often that Mr. Picco can stump me. Mr. Speaker, my understanding is that we have had a number of discussions with a number of the business communities across the Arctic. I explained what the fund is about.

I have spoken to a number of the Chamber of Commerce on the fund. It is generally accepted across the territories that it is available. We have not gone, if Mr. Picco is heading in that direction, to an expensive campaign as to alerting everybody about the fund.

The fund has its limitations in respect to the fact that its minimum lending authority if you want, I say minimum, there is $.75 million. I am fairly confident that most people if not all, pretty well understand the fund is there. They know that Mr. Bailey is currently in charge of reviewing the applications, and as I said to a question earlier yesterday, we have a finance committee made up of three outside expertise who make recommendations to the board. Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, could there be a perceived conflict between the fund manager doing studies on privatization of POL for this government at the same time being involved with the fund that could be

accessed to fund the privatization scheme? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

I do not know, Mr. Speaker. I am not a lawyer or an expert. I am assuming and as I always have because I worked with Mr. Bailey before, he is a man of significant integrity. He has been in this country a long time, is well respected within the business community, and I believe has the infinite capacity to be fair and transparent in this issue. That is the only way I can answer.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, are there guidelines, policies, procedures in place to make sure that perception of conflict when the person is doing studies for this government on privatization and involved in a fund that has been sponsored by the government are in place? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Well I do not know. I would have to look into it, Mr. Speaker. I think it is important to remember that while we initiated this fund, it is an independent fund, independently financed, independently run, outside of government. Government provided only the seed money which the fund gave back to the government.

I would have to look into the matter and I would probably take the question as notice, so I can make sure that my honourable colleague, who constantly must be reading Oliver Stone again, gets the correct, clear and precise answer to his question. Thank you.

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