Debates of Feb. 9th, 1998

This is page numbers 639 - 668 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Developing The NWT Economy

Business Corporations Act

Value-added Diamond Industries

Grise Fiord Water Reservoir

Arctic College Student Living Allowances

Income Support Workers

Fiscal Caution

Yellowknife Community Events

Value-added Diamond Industries

Stanton Regional Hospital Board Appointment

Concerns Of Inuvik Constituents

Assistance To The Arts And Crafts Industry

Keewatin Pilot Project

House Pages From Tu Nedhe

House Pages From Rankin Inlet

Return To Oral Question 174-13(5): Nunavut Government Infrastructure In Arviat

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Marketing NWT Arts And Crafts

Student Financial Assistance Policy

Acting Ceo Of Keewatin Regional Health Board

Review Of Income Support Funding

Computers Purchased By Health And Social Services

Benefits From NWT Diamond Mining

Public/private Partnership Accountability

Skills In Value-added Diamond Industry

Commitment Re: Request For Proposals Disclosure

Grise Fiord Water Reservoir

Usage Of Housing Units As Temporary Nunavut Offices

Wildlife Act Residency Requirements

Lahm Ridge Tower Lease Arrangements

Item 17: First Reading Of Bills

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

To Defer Further Consideration Of The Activity Emergency Services, Department Of Maca

To Ensure Regular Inspections Of Fire Safety Equipment And Fire Safety Training

To Approve The Estimates For Community Monitoring And Evaluation Activity, Maca

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas, Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Seamus Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Honourable Don Morin , Honourable Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable Manitok Thompson , Honourable John Todd .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ningark . Good afternoon. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Minister's Statement 48-13(5): Developing The NWT Economy

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, this government has an economic vision. We see a prosperous, diverse economy built on the strengths of our people and the wise use and conscientious protection of our natural resources, one which attracts investment and provides communities and individuals with opportunities to be productive and self-reliant.

Developing a sustainable economy that provides employment and income opportunities for northerners is a key priority of this government. This is a significant challenge and there is no easy answer or one simple solution to meet the increasing demands of job creation. The Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development (RWED), tasked with addressing this challenge, has developed new strategies and approaches, which are seeing positive results.

Mr. Speaker, over this past year, the department has developed several fundamental principles which have been applied in finding new, cost effective alternatives for job creation. Briefly, these principles are as follows:

-The NWT's rich natural resources must be managed responsibly, particularly since they are the basis of our economy. Economic activity in natural resource areas must ensure northern benefits and must consider environmental stewardship.

-The government is not the engine of economic growth. Business and community development drive economic growth and are the lifeblood of job creation in a sustainable economy.

-New partnerships must be formed at every regional level to provide cost-shared sources for programs and services that maximize capital formation, job creation, labour force development and economic growth.

-Regional and community based organizations must have more say and control over their own development to ensure local involvement in finding solutions.

These principles have been applied and have resulted in fundamental changes to program delivery and how results are achieved. All the department's program and Northern Employment Strategy budgets have been allocated on a regional basis and regional superintendents are now responsible for making decisions on where to place investments for best results.

Mr. Speaker, it is important to point out that the department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development would not have been able to fund $34 million in projects on its own. Only through our new approach, which allows for increased access to flexible debt financing programs and cost sharing with regional partnerships, have we been able to achieve this volume. The impact on the economy of these investments has been significant.

RWED superintendents and partners have been aggressive in supporting new businesses and community economic development, resulting in the creation of 376 full-time and 948 part-time jobs. In today's difficult economic climate many existing businesses and community development organizations require assistance to expand or maintain employment. Assistance was provided, with the result of 459 full-time and 554 part-time jobs maintained. A full-time job is calculated to be a minimum of 40 weeks of employment and a part-time job to be a minimum of ten work weeks of employment.

The total work weeks of employment created and maintained as a result of projects was 48,434 which is the equivalent of 1,210 full-time jobs.

RWED's contribution costs per full-time work week of employment were $196, which clearly indicates a good return on investment in providing opportunities for northerners. Mr. Speaker, these results are very positive and clearly show that RWED is headed in the right direction in meeting this government's priorities. The bottom line is that we are devolving the money and authority to the regions and providing flexibility within each region to invest in its priorities. In closing, Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank colleagues and staff for their support in assisting RWED to achieve such positive results. Their hard work and efforts are greatly appreciated. Thank you.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 48-13(5): Developing The NWT Economy

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi . Ministers' statements. Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Minister's Statement 49-13(5): Business Corporations Act

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am pleased to announce that Cabinet has approved the regulations to be made under the Business Corporations Act and that this act will be proclaimed in force on April 1, 1998. This act is one of the cornerstones of the commercial law reform program announced by my colleague, Mr. Kakfwi , when he was the Minister of Justice .

This act is a very significant step forward in the evolution of commercial law, adapting the present Companies Act to modern commercial practices and reducing overlap with other legislation. In the past 20 years, most of the provinces and the Yukon have adopted legislation based upon the

Canada Business Corporations Act.

The Business Corporations Act strikes an appropriate balance between the interests of the majority and minority shareholders, creditors and the public dealing with companies. The act is also simplifies procedures, eliminates unnecessary applications to the court and eliminates areas of duplication with other legislation.

The new act:

-simplifies the procedure for incorporating a company;

- provides greater flexibility in a corporation's share structure and in the relations between shareholders;

-simplifies the procedure for major amendments to the corporation's internal structure by reducing the need for court approval of significant changes.

-expands minority shareholder rights by providing for specific rights for shareholders who are not in agreement with fundamental changes; and

-simplifies the procedures for dissolving and reviving companies

Mr. Speaker, the act was also drafted with the creation of the two new territories in mind. By providing that the transitional requirements under the new act must be completed by March 31, 1999, the Companies Act and Companies Winding-up Act will be repealed and no longer apply in either territory on April 1, 1999.

By establishing a greatly improved legal framework within which existing and future Northwest Territories and Nunavut companies may operate, this act will support the economic development which is so critical to both territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 49-13(5): Business Corporations Act

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Arlooktoo . Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Member's Statement 179-13(5): Value-added Diamond Industries

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, last week saw a meeting of the joint territorial/federal task force on value-added diamond industries here in Yellowknife. It was obvious to me, Mr. Speaker from reports on the meeting, that by sending only one of the three deputy ministers that are on the task force, that the federal government might not consider this process to be as high a priority as we do.

I wonder how much federal development money would be available to create value-added diamond industries if this diamond find was in Ontario or Quebec where nearly 200 of our federal representatives originate from, as opposed to our two Members of Parliament from the Northwest Territories. What Canada has to realize is that the more economically self-sufficient the north is, the less we have to rely on the resources of Ottawa and the rest of the country.

I hope the diamond companies do not think that we are overstepping our bounds and dabbling in issues that no government has the right to be involved in a free-market economy. I heard, Mr. George Burne, the manager of the newly established De Beers presence in Canada, tell us this weekend that we should concentrate on diamond mining and leave everything else up to the professionals. Mr. Speaker, we are far too accustomed to the paternalistic attitude of Ottawa when it comes to charting our own course and being involved in where we want to take our northern economy.

Mr. Speaker, I have seen no quantifiable reports, studies or any other evidence that would convince me that value-added diamond industries would not flourish if located in the Northwest Territories. I see no major or insurmountable hurdles at the territorial, municipal or federal level that cannot be worked out in conjunction with the diamond producers and marketers. Mr. Speaker, the western NWT is fighting for our economic future. We have boomed and busted several times. The economy must diversify and expand.

Finally, Mr. Speaker, as the MLA for Hay River, I would like to thank Mr. Burne of De Beers for attending the NWT Chamber of Commerce meetings and banquet this weekend, the NWT Chamber for holding their meetings in Hay River and I would also like to thank the Honourable John Todd for taking the time to come to Hay River, being the keynote speaker for the banquet and also squeezing in several meetings with a number of my constituents and taking Hay River hospitality like a good sport. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 179-13(5): Value-added Diamond Industries

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr.

Barnabas.

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Member's Statement 180-13(5): Grise Fiord Water Reservoir

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. Mr. Speaker, I would like to address the issue of the water reservoir in Grise Fiord. The water reservoir has to be very clean because it is used for other household uses. There was a problem earlier with the reservoir. Mr. Speaker, because this is the main water reservoir, it is very important that it has to be clean for the health of the residents. The people, talking to the mayor of Grise Fiord, understood the reservoir was going to be cleaned.

The mayor was told that the reservoir was going to be fenced in so that human and animal waste would not reach the reservoir. If the water reservoir was to be fenced in, this would be healthier for the people of Grise Fiord. Mr. Speaker, I will be asking the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs on this issue later on. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Member's Statement 180-13(5): Grise Fiord Water Reservoir

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Member's Statement 181-13(5): Arctic College Student Living Allowances

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. I will also be speaking in Inuktitut. On January 12, 1998, there were 11 students going to Arctic College from Pangnirtung. They were from the Adult Education Centre. These students went to attend school from January 12 to February 6, and were given their per diem for two weeks. After their student allowance was paid for this time period, they received only $30 after their initial student allowance. Some students have children to feed. I would like the government to realize that the amount of money they were making was as low as ten dollars a day.

Considering that they were students and have children, this is not very much. I would be embarrassed if I was the government paying this amount of money to students who have many children to support. During question period, I will be asking the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment on this issue. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Member's Statement 181-13(5): Arctic College Student Living Allowances

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Krutko .

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Member's Statement 182-13(5): Income Support Workers

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise again to speak about the plight of income support workers in my constituency and the problems they encounter in trying to do their jobs on a minimum budget.

The community of Tsiigehtchic receives approximately $4,000 to administer the Income Support Program. They are unhappy about the work that has to be done to carry out these responsibilities and the amount of money that this government provides. At this point, Mr. Speaker, the communities of Tsiigehtchic and Aklavik are considering withdrawing from administering the Income Support Program for the department. This is to be expected, Mr. Speaker, with the method the department uses to calculate the Formula Financing Program.

There are certain things that have to be looked at in regard to the background materials and the notes. The case numbers are based on how many times the income support worker sees a client. However, Mr. Speaker, it does not mention the number of clients that see the income worker who are rejected or do not receive income support, also the amount of time it takes for the income support worker to spend to evaluate the client or clients who have been rejected. Working on each case load, I know of income support workers who have to take their work home and spend many hours after work to conclude the reports. Mr.

Speaker, taking into account all these problem areas, the income support workers are working at below minimum wage. Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister at the appropriate time, would he reconsider looking at the way this program is being evaluated? Thank you.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 182-13(5): Income Support Workers

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Member's Statement 183-13(5): Fiscal Caution

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as an Assembly, we have achieved some significant progress in regard to balancing the budget and achieving a small surplus this year. I think we should all be very proud of that achievement. We cannot loose track of the fact, in the enthusiasm of the moment, that there are significant problems still before us, financial and social. Mr. Speaker, we have an accumulated debt of about $40 million. There are a lot of forced growth issues we have yet to address in the social envelope. For example, we are short 4,000 housing units.

We have not addressed the needs of education for a number of years where they have had no increases to their budget in spite of an increased population. We have pay equity before us with a price tag of anywhere from $40 to $200 or $250 million. We have a P3 proposal that has a lot of potential providing it is done right with the proper check and balances. If we do not have the proper checks and balances, an amortization

schedule and it is not coordinated properly by the government, then we have the potential, almost overnight, to put ourselves back in the same financial situation we have just spent two years digging ourselves out of. While we should be very proud of our achievements, we cannot loose track of the fact we have a lot of work to do. We are not out of the fiscal woods yet, and that we have to stay the course in a lot of ways as we plan for the future. Time is running short but we cannot afford to stray. We have to keep an eye on the fact that we are now fiscally solvent for the time being We want to stay that way and build on that. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 183-13(5): Fiscal Caution

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Member's Statement 184-13(5): Yellowknife Community Events

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this is a busy time of year for Yellowknife, with worthy events nearly

every weekend. Last Friday, I had the privilege of attending a reception for some pretty amazing young ladies. Twenty-four from Yellowknife's two high schools are involved in a national pilot program where they learn the construction trade. It is fairly intense, four afternoons a week and one and a half hours at a time for the next two years. At least some of these girls will likely graduate to a construction site one day, and we, as a society, will be all the better for it. I would like to salute them for breaking into what has traditionally been a male domain.

Another event I would like to mention is the Ball in the Mall, which is coming up this Saturday night . It is the second time the Yellowknife Association for Community Living has organized this major fundraiser benefiting the Abe Miller Centre. Many of you are probably familiar with the centre. It has been offering programs for people with intellectual disabilities for the past 20 years. The association's work is no longer limited to Yellowknife. Over the past few years, its programming has been expanded to several communities, including Rae-Edzo and Rankin Inlet.

Programs are currently being developed for Inuvik. The Ball in the Mall is a fundraiser that raises more than money. It promotes community awareness and the acceptance of adults with a mental handicap into the community at large. I am pleased to say I will be attending the ball, and I would encourage all of you to support such a worthy cause.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Henry .

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Member's Statement 185-13(5): Value-added Diamond Industries

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I listened to a CBC news report this morning in which a Mr. George Burne from the Central Selling Organization, De Beers was interviewed. Mr. Burne told us in a nutshell to pay attention to the jobs the northerners can obtain through diamond mining and not worry about other activities after that diamond process. I would invite Mr. Burne to spend some time in the north and listen to what northerners would like and find out what they would like from their diamond industry. Sometimes, Mr. Speaker, mining companies mine diamonds.

The Central Selling Organizations or a similar organization market diamonds. The Central Selling Organization charges the mining companies 11 percent for that service to sort and market their diamonds. BHP's annual production is scheduled to start later on this year and it is estimated between $50 million and $600 million a year. From my calculation, that service to market their diamonds is going to cost them, regardless whether they go with CSO or some other organization, it is going to cost them $55 million a year.

I visited London and Antwerp, Mr. Speaker, and I found the costs to be extremely high. Much higher than I found them to be in Yellowknife. What I would suggest is that De Beers, with some consultation with the mining industry and our government, look at spending as much of that $55 million in the Northwest Territories as possibly can be accomplished.

--Applause

Mr. Speaker, if that service is provided in the north, the sorting for marketing, it will create infrastructure in the north. It will provide employment for northerners through security personnel that will be employed, maintenance people who will fix the equipment, banking and brokerage houses that will also come as part of that industry. It has been said we do not have the expertise to provide many of these services in the north. Mr. Speaker, I suggest that there are many things we do not have the expertise for, but we could bring it in. I would encourage that mining companies and so forth, do the same.

I would also demand, Mr. Speaker, that the federal government, the mining companies and the CSO, along with De Beers, listen to what the GNWT want for northerners so we can have some semblance in the north of self-sufficiency. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 185-13(5): Value-added Diamond Industries

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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Member's Statement 186-13(5): Stanton Regional Hospital Board Appointment

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate one constituent of mine, Mr. Moise Rabesca, for his reappointment to the Stanton Regional Health Board. Moise is a very strong person that has provided a voice for our region on this important board. Over his past term, he has dedicated himself to provide his input in all decisions made by the board, and I am sure he will continue to do the same for this term. Once again, I would like to congratulate Moise on behalf of Rae-Edzo and region. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statement. Mr. Roland .

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Member's Statement 187-13(5): Concerns Of Inuvik Constituents

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this past weekend I was able to travel home and touch base with constituents and my family. Mr. Speaker, I spoke to many people and held a constituency meeting while I was at home for the weekend. A number of issues came forward. There is a continuing concern with the education that is provided to the students and children of the Northwest Territories. There is concern in my community with the self-government process and what is happening.

How will the Beaufort Delta self-government work and tie into the whole constitutional effort that we are going through as the Government of the Northwest Territories? Mr. Speaker, an issue that came forward as well is the ongoing concern with government and how it does its business. Mr. Speaker, as I said earlier in one of my other Member's statements, sometimes we need to nip things in the bud. They are like weeds because if they start growing, they will continue to grow. The concern out there, no matter how much information we put forward, the seed has been planted. It is a hard one to turn around.

I would urge this government

and all Members of this Assembly that we need to start doing some weeding. We need to get the Weedex out and clean up our image and show the people of the territories that we truly represent the people and their interests in the Northwest Territories as we know it. It is time to put action our words. It is time to move forward. It is time to be responsible. Thank you.

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Member's Statement 187-13(5): Concerns Of Inuvik Constituents

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Ningark .

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Member's Statement 188-13(5): Assistance To The Arts And Crafts Industry

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, over the weekend I had the opportunity to speak to the mayor of Gjoa Haven. We have talked about the economy of that community and around the community of Kitikmeot east. We talked mainly about the economy across the board. When we talk about economy we are talking about Arctic Bay, Pelly Bay, Lac La Martre, Yellowknife and so on. We have talked about the diamond and mining industries, small businesses and other opportunities in the NWT. Somewhere during the process, Mr. Speaker, we forget about the little people in the community.

The little people who are trying to help out, who are dependent upon trapping, arts and crafts. Those people who do not wish to receive social assistance from this government, who wish to retain their pride and support their family in the job they are able to do. One area the mayor and I talked about was finding the market for arts and crafts. He indicated to me that although the products from the carvers are bought in the community, it is only in a limited quantity by the Co-op and by the Northern Store.

He also indicated those who are internationally renowned artists are able to sell their carvings in the local community, but those who are capable of producing good carvings are not recognized as much as they should be. At the appropriate time I will be asking the Minister of Economic Development , what are we doing to help those carvers at the local level? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Member's Statement 189-13(5): Keewatin Pilot Project

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Keewatin pilot project is a proposal by the Keewatiners to look at block funding of capital and operations and maintenance funding allocated to the region locally. Last week we had the opportunity to meet with some of the mayors and discuss the proposal. Bringing government closer to the people is one of reasons Nunavut was and will come into being.

MACA has explained the initiative as a pilot project that will allow the capital process to be managed closer to the communities so that the communities can have more ownership of decisions about project management and can better link project management with training opportunities. The communities would still have to abide the department's policies, standards and criteria. There are some questions that need to be answered concerning the Keewatin pilot project.

Those include, as the committee of the GNWT and the Kivallivik leadership officials develop a transfer proposal as planned, would the legislation be required to enable the region to assume these functions or would some other legal mechanism be available? Have the NIC, NTI or the KIA been consulted? If so, what are their positions? Can this proposal be rationalized in light of Footprints 2?

Mr. Speaker, the proposal warrants further discussion. I thank the mayors from the Keewatin who came last week to Yellowknife to meet with us to discuss the proposal. Later today I will be asking the Minister for MACA , for an update for these and other issues concerning the Keewatin pilot project. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Morin .

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Member's Statement 190-13(5): House Pages From Tu Nedhe

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It gives me honour and pleasure today to recognize two very important young people from my riding from the community of Fort Resolution in Tu Nedhe. I recognize Leanne Boucher from Fort Resolution and Ekecho Lockhart from Lutselk'e. They are here to serve the Members as Pages for this week. They were chosen by their principal and teachers to represent the communities and I am sure they will do an excellent job for us all. Welcome to this House and welcome to Yellowknife.

--Applause

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Samuel Gargan

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Member's Statement 191-13(5): House Pages From Rankin Inlet

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Like my colleague I would also like to introduce two Pages from my home town of Rankin Inlet. One is Najuk Kusugak, who is the son of Sandy and Mike Kusugak and Brian Tattuinee, who is the son of Annie and Louie Tattuinee. Both are not only outstanding students in school but they are also some of the better hockey players in the Keewatin. I would like all of you to join me in welcoming them here this week. Thank you.

--Applause

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Samuel Gargan

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

In response to Mr. O'Brien 's questions with regard to progress on Nunavut government infrastructure in Arviat, I can offer an update, which has been provided by the Nunavut Construction Company, the party responsible for the construction of this infrastructure.

I have provided to all Members a copy of a media advisory from the Nunavut Construction Corporation. It summarizes the labour force and construction situation for those NCC projects presently underway. As the media advisory suggests, winter weather is the reason for a slow down of construction activities. In Arviat, no outside work will be done on the housing units until the weather improves which will probably be in April. However, a crew of three continues to do electrical and mechanical work on the housing units in Arviat. This work is taking place inside the housing units. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to today recognize two Pages from Hay River who have come up to serve the Members of the Legislature, Sarah Pope and Morgan Schauerte, incidently the nephew of the our Deputy Clerk.

--Applause

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am pleased to recognize two good friends of mine, Cecelia and William Palvialok who are both residents of Rankin Inlet. William was an original resident from Cambridge Bay, but when he met Cecelia, he had to come to Rankin to live there.

--Applause

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Ningark .

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Question 251-13(5): Marketing NWT Arts And Crafts

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 644

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. First of all I want to salute and recognize Mr. Stephen Kakfwi , Minister of RWED for his speech on developing the NWT economy, from the bottom of my heart, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It has been a fact for some time that while many of our people, businesses and community-based organizations have done well in producing arts and crafts, we have not done a proper job in developing marketing strategies. We produce, but we do not spend enough time developing a way in which to sell to make sure that we have a market place to go to. People are going to accept the goods, reproduce and move them on to the consumers.

We need to do more work in deciding what type of arts and crafts we need to produce and in what quantities, so that we are meeting the needs of consumers and tourists. We need to do more work so we know the volumes and the quality of work that is required to meet the needs of the consumers. We need to do more work in identifying the potential consumers and then alerting and making aware these potential consumers of the goods that we have available to us.

The NWT Development Corporation in the last year and a half has done considerable work just to shore-up the existing businesses we have across the territories to make sure they are running and operating in a manageable way. We are now turning our attention towards marketing. I have just come back from attending a conference in the United States, in Scottsdale, just outside of Phoenix, Arizona where we have brought producers of arts and crafts from all the aboriginal communities across Canada.

The Northwest Territories was very well represented there under the organization of the Northwest Trading Company and the NWT Development Corporation and also with the involvement with the Cultural Institute. There we met with dealers, gallery owners and people from across the United States, who have a specific interest in becoming aware and acquiring carvings, paintings, arts and crafts from aboriginal communities. We think we have made a good start and a positive impact. We will know over the next couple of months whether this has been a good investment or not.

Those are some of the examples of the things we are doing in regard to the concern to make sure as the market goes up and down that we continue to be diligent and trying to promote and maintain the markets that we have established to date. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ningark .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you. Mr. Speaker. Supplementary to the same honourable Minister. Mr. Speaker, carving, arts and crafts are much more than providing an economy across the board, I think it is also retaining the pride and identity of the native people. Mr. Speaker, if indeed the honourable Minister has a plan or strategy to promote the arts and crafts in the jurisdiction, will the Minister share that strategy and plan with this House? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, at this time we do not have comprehensive documents that would outline the specifics or strategy in general terms for all the different products that we have. We can develop a document that would outline specific initiatives we have in regard to Inuit carvings. Things we have done to make sure that the material required for carving is accessible to the artists in the communities, illustrate the kind of work we are doing to make inroads for new markets and increasing the marketing of Inuit art in southern Canada. We have done work, for instance, in the lumber sector.

We can share with Members all the different sectors of our economy that we are looking at. Fish for instance, wild meat products, and share with them, in a general

summary document, the kind of initiatives we are taking to promote and market these products in the different sectors. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ningark .

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We know that the Arctic Co-op is trying to market arts and crafts across the country. I do not know how much we are able to export because of animal rights activists. Mr. Speaker, my question is, what seems to be the problem of not being able to find a market for the arts and crafts in the territories and across the country? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I do not think there is any specific problem that can be pinpointed in regard to all the different products that we have. For instance, we produce lumber. We produce fish. We have fish products, muskox meat, caribou meat, hides, fur, things like moccasins, fur products, shrimp and char. A whole range of different products. Inuit carvings, Dene carvings and paintings. Each one of these products are handled a little differently, have different markets and require different types of work to be done in order to get it flowing into an established market.

In general terms the one problem we might say we have is, we spend a great deal of time and money developing businesses to produce goods, to make jobs that result in the production of goods, but we have not spent enough time and resources in preparing a market place for these goods. Very often we end up stockpiling certain styles of products because we scramble only after the fact to try and figure out who is going to buy these things. Is it the kind of product they want to buy, how much of these goods would they be interested in buying?

Looking at things like quality, workmanship, availability, consistency of supply and the many other things the consumers at the other end require. Also, the particular price tag, the particular market might be willing and able to spend. In general terms, if there is any one problem that we have, I would say, it is specifically as the Member has alluded to, the problem that we have not spent enough time developing work to make sure our products are available, the consumer is aware and a willing interest in acquiring these products. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Ningark .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the carving, arts and crafts, sewing, and fish marketing is native to this area. The majority of the people at the local community across the board depend upon these things. Will the Minister look at the possibility of improving in the area of assisting arts and crafts, fish marketing and so on across the territories? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, it is the intention of our department and the intention of the NWT Development Corporation to continue working on this particular area of responsibility that we have. Specifically, one of the areas is to ensure Inuit carvers maintain and continue to expand on the interest different countries of the world have in acquiring carvings from people in northern Canada. Yes, we will continue to work on that. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Question 252-13(5): Student Financial Assistance Policy

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 645

Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question will be directed to the honourable Minister of Education , Charles Dent . As I indicated in my Member's statement that 11 students at Arctic College in Pangnirtung registered on January 12, 1998, and these students were doing northern studies towards Nunavut. These 11 students did not get paid for four weeks and they received a pay of $100 for two weeks. This is very low when you have two kids or five kids to feed. Can the honourable Minister please explain to this House what is the policy of this government in order to give out student allowances for student financial assistance? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Charles Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. Mr. Speaker, the guideline the department uses is to try to have student financial assistance cheques delivered to students within ten working days of the time they apply for their assistance. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we are talking from January 12 to February 6 which is more than ten days here. Would the honourable Minister of Education look into this matter? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would be happy to look into it. To make sure I have all the details correct, I will take the question as notice.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Question is taken as notice. Oral questions. Mr. O'Brien .

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Question 253-13(5): Acting Ceo Of Keewatin Regional Health Board

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 646

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister responsible for Health and Social Services . Mr. Speaker, last week, there was an announcement that Mr. Chris Keeley would serve as the CEO for the Keewatin Health Board. My question to the Minister is, were the stakeholders involved in this selection or the screening process before the hiring of Mr. Keeley? Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I cannot recall if they were or not because this is an interim position to act for approximately three to four months until a full-time CEO is hired. Thank you.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, just to refresh my memory, in reference to the selection or appointment of the chairperson that is yet to be announced, what will be the criteria or the selection process and who will be involved in that? Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the call letters were just signed on Friday, and so they should be en route if individuals or groups do not have them already. The intent is to have nominations back to myself before the end of the month. I have set the date of, I believe it is February 27. There will be some consultations, of course, with municipalities and with the Keewatin Inuit Association to get their feelings on the candidates and at that time, I will make the decision. Thank you.

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Question 254-13(5): Review Of Income Support Funding

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . I do not think that the health care system is the only social safety net that is in crisis. I believe that the Income Support Program is also in crisis. The Minister indicated last week that the department, as part of the normal course of its duties, conducts ongoing reviews of the program it administers. The department has to also take a close look at the formula financing of the Income Support Program and adjust it to reflect actual workloads of the individual income support workers. Will the Minister consider looking at this or has that also been part of the review?

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Samuel Gargan

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, that would, in fact, be part of an ongoing review as we come to the completion of the first full year that most communities have administered the program. We will be discussing with the communities how the program has worked and trying to find ways in which the program could be improved. I cannot make any assurance that there will definitely be some change, but the intent is to try to work with communities to see that they can effectively deliver the program for the amounts provided. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Regarding my opening statement, I mentioned the community of Tsiigehtchic which receives $4,000 to hire someone to deliver the Income Support Program. This amount, which is minimal compared to other communities, does the Minister feel that $4,000 for a one-year program which we are supposed to put as a priority to get people off welfare and put them back to work, is adequate?

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, when this program was taken over by Education, Culture and Employment from Health and Social Services, the intent was to free up time for social workers to deliver the

support services that people needed. Income support was seen much along the lines of a clerical function, wherein a clerk could figure out whether or not a person's income was over or under a certain line in a community and determine whether or not their income needed to be topped up. In calculating the formula for paying for the administration for the delivery of the program, it was felt that the amount of money represented by one full-time equivalent for 2,000 cases would be adequate. I have to assume that if the amount is $4,000 as the Member has said, that would be based on that formula. We have found that formula to work across the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, with the whole idea of the formula working, I do not believe I would be standing here asking questions because there is a fault to the delivery of this program. What are the plans the department has for communities that want to bow out of this program and give it back to the department to administer on their own?

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would hope that communities would not actually want to follow through on that, because it would remove some of the community flexibility that may exist with the program being delivered by people at the local level. We would certainly be prepared to work with the community to discuss where they are finding the challenges and see if we cannot find some way to help them meet those challenges. Perhaps with some support for a while, they can find a new way to deliver the service that does not tie them up so much. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister advise me how soon can he have someone go into the communities of Tsiigehtchic, Aklavik and Fort McPherson to consider remapping the financial formula that is in place and the amounts that they feel adequate? How soon can he have someone in there?

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I did not make that offer to the Member. What I did say was, the department is prepared to work with communities that are having problems. If the community wishes to approach the regional office, I am sure we can set something up with them fairly quickly. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Ootes .

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Question 255-13(5): Computers Purchased By Health And Social Services

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng . Last spring and summer, a request for proposal was issued to purchase computers for the social services system throughout the Northwest Territories and health centres. I believe that contract was awarded for around $1.2 million with about 350 computers required. I wonder if the Minister could tell us, where are those computers at the moment?

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Samuel Gargan

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

I understand, Mr. Speaker, there are 19 in Arviat, but other than that, I am not exactly sure.

--Laughter.

I will attempt to find that information and advise the Member. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you. Could the Minister tell us if there were any deficiencies in these computers? What action is being taken about those deficiencies?

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Mr. Ng , two questions.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I understand there were three or four units that were not working properly, and they have since been replaced. Thank you.

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Question 256-13(5): Benefits From NWT Diamond Mining

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 647

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister responsible for Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Kakfwi . Mr. Speaker, during the environmental hearing process, we heard many veiled threats from different groups within the north as to some of the actions

they would take if northerners did not get a fair deal out of the new diamond industry starting in the Northwest Territories. Some of those suggestions put forward were the initiation of road blocks into the mining companies. My question to Minister Kakfwi is, what assurances can he give northerners that they will not have to resort to these types of tactics, that there will be fair and equitable returns for northerners through jobs and value-added industries? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is our view, as a government, that it is possible to do business with the industry and with the many companies who are interested and have interests in the land and resources in the Northwest Territories. As difficult as it appears at times, it is even possible and reasonable to expect the federal government and federal officials to treat reasonably the interest and concerns this government and northern aboriginal people have, in being a significant beneficiary to any type of development that takes place within the boundaries of the Northwest Territories.

We do not advocate or entertain the notion of, at any time, civil disobedience as a means of levering benefits. All of which, we believe, can be done through civil and proper discussions and negotiations. Thank you.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I certainly understand it from the government's perspective. I certainly would support they could not be seen to be promoting any such activity. Mr. Speaker, I am referring to statements that were made at the hearings and are being continued to be made. We have also heard the Minister of Finance suggest he would put on taxes that would choke a mule. I would like to speak to the Minister and say, this is coming from all areas of the public. I just want some assurances from the Minister that indeed he believes he can work out a fair deal for northerners with all the interested parties. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the former leader of the Assembly of First Nations explained the logo that the organization had at one time, which had displayed a peace pipe and a tomahawk. He said it is always our policy to use the first and display prominently the second, which produces good results. I am sure that in this public arena where everybody has a say, there is a very strong reason to believe that the interests of communities, the leader and particularly the views of aboriginal leaders are always to be taken very seriously. I am sure.

I am absolutely positive that people in the mining industry, BHP, would not make the mistake of misreading the potential and the cost that would be incurred if relationships with this government or with the people in the communities of the Northwest Territories became severely tested. Thank you.

--Applause

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Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Finance in relation to the public and private partnerships initiative. Mr. Speaker, there seems to be a growing perception out and about that this P3, as it is called, is $200 million possibly, of free money, that we will be able to have almost unlimited construction without really having to track it or possibly pay the tab. I would like to ask the Minister what steps he is taking to, in fact, ensure this very beneficial program will have the proper checks and balances? Is there clear information out there as to what exactly qualifies under this particular initiative? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate, first of all, my honourable Member's question. I think it would be fair to say that, in some quarters, there is an expectation out there that perhaps is larger than it should be. I did have the good fortune this weekend, on my trip to Hay River, to meet with the NWT Chamber of Commerce and the Hay River Chamber of Commerce and give them a full briefing on the P3 and seek their input. We need to ensure, first of all, that there is affordability. I think that is priority one. Two, transparency, as I have said before.

Three, in the selection of the P3 projects, they have to follow a certain criteria. It is not a goody bag or anything like that. This is just a way in which we can bring about the historical spending we have had as it relates to our capital projects. As I have said many times in this House, the last time we had $200 million to spend on an annual basis was over two years ago. We are currently spending about $130 to $140. We want to bring it back up. I would not want anybody, in the public particularly, to be given the impression this is a panacea for everybody's favourite project.

The reality is, it will be very restricted. It will be very disciplined. This House and the Members will get an opportunity to see what projects have been recommended and more importantly, there has to be both short and long-term viability and affordability. The last thing we want to do, and certainly I want to do as Finance Minister and my colleagues in Cabinet, is to leave an inordinate amount of debt for future governments that is not affordable. There is going to be a great deal of scrutiny on these projects, and rightfully so.

I hope that at the end of the day, we can get on with putting some of the construction industry to work, create some jobs and bring about some of the infrastructure we desperately need and currently cannot afford under the old system of capital spending. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Just to remind the Members that Tabled Document 19-13(5) deals with that specific item. You will have the opportunity to ask questions at that time. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my supplementary question to the Minister then would be, are in fact the actual rules of engagement and implementation, the checks and balances, under development? Will they be in place before we start proceeding with any initiatives?

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Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

In terms of the identification projects, we are using the same criteria we currently use. There may be some new policies we need to put in place to give people the comfort level and the requirements that had been asked by a number of colleagues. We are working on that, but the policies of this government, as they currently stand, are what we are guiding ourselves under. At the end of the day, I think I have said, most of these projects will be RFPs. We need to find a way to be a little more transparent there and answer some of the questions of industry. I do not see the need for any significant policy shift.

I see a need for maybe some improvement in the policy, some greater transparency, and on the fiscal side, to ensure there is an affordability issue. The rules we have in place now are fairly solid. They just need to be embellished a little more. Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Other jurisdictions have had much more experience than the Northwest Territories in this particular area. Some have, in fact, had their own fatalities, very costly ones. Many jurisdictions, as a result, come up with their own processes and procedures. Is the Minister going to check so that we do not, in fact, reinvent the wheel and then we can learn, hopefully, from what works and what does not work in other jurisdictions as well?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Yes, Mr. Speaker. I think there is a great deal to be learned, hence the reason we hired Mr. Coles. He has a significant amount of experience across Canada. I do not want to go out there and reinvent the wheel as some Members have suggested, with task forces and hearings and all the rest of the stuff. This is $100 million worth of spending. This government spent a billion dollars a year. We need to get into place some of the checks and balances that we can learn from other constituencies. We will do that, and we will have full discussion and full debate about it.

I am prepared, this afternoon, to listen to any other suggestions the Members have got. The bottom line is, we want to get on the ground as quickly as we can, the infrastructure requirements of the constituency that we represent so it can create new jobs and new opportunities, et cetera. Yes, we are going to be doing all the things that my honourable colleague talked about. At the same time, I want to move reasonably quickly so we can get some projects on the ground for this coming year. I am fairly confident at the end of the day that most of the Members of this House will see the value of it. Thank you.

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Question 258-13(5): Skills In Value-added Diamond Industry

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of RWED on a matter that is not before committee of the whole. Mr. Speaker, apparently Mr. George Burne of BHP recently indicated that we should keep our noses out of the business of diamond mining other than to keep the roads open to ensure the businesses can get to the diamond mines. Mr. Speaker, when I was in London, I had occasion to meet Mr. Burne and to talk with him. When we were leaving, we gave him a book on Yellowknife, and he took a look at the cover. There was a cover of Yellowknife on there with modern buildings and everything. Modern buildings?

Mr. Speaker, this is the same guy who is telling us to keep our business out of the mining industry because he thinks we do not know, he thought this was a mining town with little mining shacks all over. He also indicated that he did not think aboriginal people had the right temperament to be suited for preparing diamonds for market of sorting, polishing and cutting. Mr. Speaker, my question is, what type of skills are required for sorting, cutting and polishing of diamonds? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think this should be said. Northern people, particularly aboriginal people, it should never be suggested are genetically deficient in regard to those physical requirements that are required for sorting, cutting and polishing diamonds.

--Applause

I think people have said you need a lot of patience. I think probably better than any other people in the world, the Inuit, Dene and Metis are known for that. The traditional lifestyle and the culture of our people require a tremendous amount of patience, something that is not seen to be held in great value or in great quantities by the southern wage economy. We also require astute sense of sight, stable hands and keen appreciation for art and for fine lines and other attributes given to small things. These are all things that I think the culture, the

values and the lifestyle of all northern people have always required in great abundance. I know we do have them. There is no basis whatsoever for whatever policy the gentleman seems to have developed in his very short stay here in Canada with us. Thank you.

--Applause

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Earlier the Minister had indicated the fact that offering a peace pipe is a good method of operating with a tomahawk prominently displayed. I was wondering if his department and this government would be willing to offer this peace pipe and to assist people in training and other ways to help set up the basis for a secondary industry in the NWT rather than using threatening postures and the rest to force the diamond industry to begin a secondary industry in the north?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If we do create the option and the possibility to access arrived diamonds here in the Northwest Territories, this creates a possibility to create a secondary industry. It would be logical to expect this government to provide training funds to make sure northern people, aboriginal people, are trained to take up the jobs that would be created as a result of this new industry. Thank you.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister possibly elaborate on what is currently being done to help people get into the mining industry?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, in the area of training, it is the responsibility of the Minister for Education, Culture and Employment . I would have to defer to my colleague. Thank you.

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Question 259-13(5): Commitment Re: Request For Proposals Disclosure

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, during the mid-term review four months ago in October, some of these following commitments were made. Minister Todd made a commitment to look at the option of using RFPs and analyzing it. There were some other commitments on RFP disclosures that were made at that time. I am wondering if the Premier or Minister Todd could update the House on those commitments? For example, Mr.

Todd committed he would coordinate with the Premier and the Minister of Public Works to re-examine the request for proposal policies to provide the transparency and clarity that the Ordinary Members requested. Would the Premier or the Finance Minister update us on that commitment? Thank you.

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Mr. Premier .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We are doing that, and we are working with the NWT construction industry, as well as the industry to work out a protocol or an agreement to how we can accomplish that. The problem is, with the request for proposals, of how to do that without jeopardizing some business interests or let the people know what the financial aspects of that business are. Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we do have a policy called the request for proposal policy. Is it possible that the Premier could table that in the House for public disposal purposes? Thank you.

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Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can I have the Member repeat his question? I did not quite catch him. Thank you.

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Mr. Picco , second supplementary.

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Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we have ascertained that indeed the government has a policy for request for proposals. Is it possible to have that policy tabled in the House?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We do have contractual procedures that we use for tender proposals, requests for proposals, public advertisement, invitational tenders and requests for proposals and how they are evaluated. I would be pleased to table it. It was sent to all Members but I can table it as well. Thank you.

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