Debates of June 19th, 1995

This is page numbers 1400 - 1440 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 7th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Minister's Absence From House

Changes To The Forest Fire Management Program

Mine Rescue Competition And Benefits Of Mines To Nwt

Display Of Hmcs Mackenzie Model In Legislature

NWT Ferry Schedules

41st Anniversary Of Fort Smith Catholic Women's League

Father's Day

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Role Of Saps In Bird Dog Officer Investigation

Acting Premier

Status Of Metis Health Benefits

Changes To Water And Sewer Subsidy Program

Effect Of Arctic A Airport Negotiations On NWT Airport Services

Status Of Federal Capital Assistance For Housing

Status Of Provisions For Funding Recreation Leaders' Program

Status Of Community Prospecting Course

Status Of Firefighting Training Program In Nwt

Commencement Of Salary Increase For Certified Firefighters

Funding For Community Elder And Youth Committees

Status Of Cedo Funding

Alberta Company Contracted To Assist Dc-4 Fire Crews

Further To Question 654-12(7): Alberta Company Contracted To Assist Dc-4 Fire Crews

Participation Of Aboriginal Groups In Hiring Senior Regional GNWT Employees

Monitoring Fishing Activity At Trout Lake

Written Question 34-12(7): Person Years To Combat Forest Fires

Written Question 35-12(7): Revenue Raised By The Government Of The Northwest Territories Fire Management Program Through The Mars Agreement

Written Question 36-12(7): Government Standards For Fixed-wing Aircraft And Helicopter

Written Question 37-12(7): Northern Pilots Employed By Buffalo Airways

Item 10: Petitions

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Committee Report 11-12(7): Report On The Review Of Bill 25 -the Education ActBill 25: Education Act

To Amend Clause 5 Of Bill 25

To Amend Clause 7 Of Bill 25

To Defer Consideration Of Clause 10 Of Bill 25

To Amend Clause 15 Of Bill 25

To Amend Clause 27 Of Bill 25

To Amend Clause 44 Of Bill 25

To Defer Consideration Of Clause 44 Of Bill 25

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Mr. Antoine , Hon. Silas Arngna'naaq , Mr. Ballantyne , Mr. Dent , Hon. Samuel Gargan , Mr. Koe , Mr. Lewis , Mrs. Marie-Jewell , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Richard Nerysoo , Hon. Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Mr. Pudluk , Mrs. Thompson , Hon. John Todd , Mr. Whitford , Mr. Zoe

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Whitford . That was Michif, was it?

---Laughter

Good afternoon. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Pollard .

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Minister's Statement 100-12(7): Minister's Absence From House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. Honourable Stephen Kakfwi will be absent from the House for the next several days to make representation to the Senate on Bill C-68,

An Act Respecting Firearms and Other Weapons. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 100-12(7): Minister's Absence From House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Morin .

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Minister's Statement 101-12(7): Changes To The Forest Fire Management Program

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, I want to take this opportunity to announce some initiatives and changes that are being made to the forest fire management program.

When responsibility for forest fire management was assigned to me several weeks ago, I set out to make it into a program that could be respected by our community leaders, effective in its task of protecting our resources, and efficient in spending limited financial resources.

The first step was to ask every community in the western Arctic to appoint a contact person who can represent the community leaders when decisions have to be made. As a result, community leaders and residents are now partners in decisions being made about how to respond and manage forest fires. We also have people in the north who have many years of experience and know the tried-and-true ways of effective firefighting. respected elder, Eddie Powder, has been hired to give advice on how things can be improved.

Mr. Speaker, one of the first things I did when I accepted this responsibility was to meet the ground crews and fire bosses who work in difficult conditions to control fires. Their jobs are tough and I have tremendous respect for them. I am announcing today that the salaries of certified firefighters are being raised from $8.75 to $11.50 per hour.

---Applause

I have made other changes to our fire management program and policy to improve effectiveness and efficiency of our activities. Following discussions with the Standing Committee on Finance, a target budget of $13 million has been set for fire suppression. I believe we can stay within that target, even though we are experiencing forest fire conditions as bad as last year. Giving the staff in the fire program a target to meet, rather than an open chequebook, is an incentive to save money. Economies are already happening as staff work with community leaders in finding better ways of doing things. Mr.

Speaker, I wish to advise Members that the For example, rather than using expensive helicopters to complete the mop-up of the Norman Wells fire, our people and the community came up with a plan to use men and caterpillar tractors with limited helicopter support. This plan to barge the tractors up the river to the fire site has cut our costs for cleaning up the fire by at least one third and has left the dollars in the hands of northern businesses.

---Applause

As part of the plan to save money in firefighting, a $1 million forest fire prevention program has been established. This program is to be used to supplement community fire protection activities. Forest fire management staff will be working with communities to develop plans and set priorities for actions that must be taken to help make sure that we do not lose a community to fire. A basic requirement for this initiative is that the plans have to be community-driven. We help the communities draw up their plans, we do not go in and tell them what we are going to do for them. A major advantage of this initiative is that it also leaves the dollars spent in the pockets of residents.

Mr. Speaker, over the years, all of us have heard the frustration expressed by harvesters when their cabins and equipment are lost to fires and their trapping and hunting areas are temporarily wiped out. Even worse, some harvesters have given up harvesting fur after fires destroyed everything. One of the reasons is that the compensation available to them was limited to a maximum of $4,500 for each cabin and the equipment they owned. Many Members of this Legislative Assembly have spent a lot of time on the land and know $4,500 does not come anywhere near the replacement costs for a harvester's cabin and equipment.

As a result, I am pleased to say that approval has been given for a program that allows up to $7,000 to replace a cabin, between 75 and 100 per cent for replacing equipment and up to $15,000 for relocation costs to establish a new trapline. With this increased compensation, harvesters will be able to re- establish themselves or even move temporarily to a new location.

---Applause

The increased compensation is necessary, especially in times when fur prices are low and in recognition of the fact that, realistically, we will not be able to control every fire.

Finally, Mr. Speaker, during this last week and a half, we have had one of our most threatening fires in history. Two communities were evacuated and we saw how community leaders, residents and staff pull together when the chips are down. A lot of people were working around the clock. I was particularly pleased to note that our fire management systems and processes for decision-making were working effectively. Regardless, we have room for improvement, especially in developing a real partnership with communities in fire protection and in increasing northern benefits.

As another step in achieving this, I have, this past week, completed negotiations to establish five more community contract crews and manage two satellite camps. The bottom line to me is that the resources around each community are first and foremost the property of the users. It is they who should have final say in protection plans and actions. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 101-12(7): Changes To The Forest Fire Management Program

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Mine Rescue Competition And Benefits Of Mines To Nwt

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, last week we celebrated Mining Week, and one of the important events capping off the week is always the NWT mine rescue competition. This year, the competition was won by the team from Miramar Con Mine, which I'm happy to mention is also the mine located in my constituency.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to congratulate the members of that mine rescue team, in particular, and all mine rescue teams for being ready when disaster strikes. It takes special dedication to be part of a mine rescue team.

Mr. Speaker, mining is probably the most important economic activity in the Northwest Territories. It currently provides large numbers of jobs, but probably most important, it offers the best potential for creating more jobs and new wealth for northerners.

Recently, an environmental group, with their tongue firmly in cheek, nominated the Premier for the mining hall of fame, accusing her government of opening the door to business; in particular, to mining companies. Mr. Speaker, being open for business is nothing to be ashamed of. Without businesses making profits, there would be no taxes to finance the operations of government. With federal grants being cut, for us to maintain important services like education and health care, more and more we must find ways to increase our own source revenues. One way to do that is to increase the numbers of businesses and jobs in the Northwest Territories.

In the short term, Mr. Speaker, the non-renewable resource sector offers us the best opportunity. If we can get everyone onside for the northern accord and successfully conclude that deal, we will be particularly well situated to ensure benefits for northerners.

Mr. Speaker, I don't think though that being open for business means the environmental concerns cannot be taken very seriously. My colleagues in this Legislature are very much aware of the importance of the land and the wildlife it sustains, and would not allow unmitigated development to take place. Mr. Speaker, no one in this House has suggested circumventing the environmental review process.

Being open for business has more to do with an attitude which recognizes that we need businesses to be successful in order to provide jobs and taxes, and then making sure government is not erecting unnecessary roadblocks. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Yellowknife Frame Lake is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement, Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker and honourable Members. Mr. Speaker, being open for business may mean a one-window approach, so businesses know exactly what the process will be, where to go for more information and what steps must be taken to prove their proposed project can meet environmental guidelines.

Mr. Speaker, I hope that the government will ensure that the NWT is open for business. We can have both: a healthy business climate; and, respect for the environment. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Whitford .

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Display Of Hmcs Mackenzie Model In Legislature

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. Mr. Speaker, 19 years ago, by an Order in Council, the Government of the Northwest Territories adopted the destroyer, HMCS Mackenzie. Since September of 1981, a model of this 366-foot destroyer has resided in the Northwest Territories and was first displayed in the Prince of Wales Northern Heritage Centre.

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to inform this House that the model of the HMCS Mackenzie is now on display here in the great hall of this Legislative Assembly building, where we hope a will stay. We also have a plaque of the Mackenzie and pennant, and a replica of the ship's wheel here on permanent display.

The Mackenzie was designed as an anti-submarine destroyer and was named after the Mackenzie River and the ship travelled some 850,000 nautical miles during her commissioned years, or if we put it in more understandable terms, 24 trips around the world at the Equator.

The Mackenzie has had some exciting moments. She was involved in the first high-seas boarding and the seizure of a foreign vessel by the Canadian Navy since the Second World War. She also made a dramatic rescue of the entire crew of the Pacific Mariner, after other ships and other attempts had failed. She has had the distinction of participating in both the 75th anniversary of the Royal Canadian Navy and the 50th anniversary of the Royal New Zealand Navy.

The Mackenzie is unique in other ways, as the edges and the surfaces of her upper decks were rounded, a feature designed for two purposes: first, in war, the radioactive or chemical contaminants could easily be washed off; second, being designed for very cold climates, the rounded edges would prevent ice build-ups.

Commencing in 1972, the Mackenzie was used ... I seek consent to conclude, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Yellowknife South is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement, Mr. Whitford .

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker and colleagues. Commencing in 1972, the Mackenzie was used primarily to train 40 to 50 naval officers at a time. They learned how to handle ships, navigation, organization and administration; all important elements in our Canadian military.

After the Mackenzie was retired in 1993 --they call it the "pay- out" --rather than sell this beautiful ship for scrap metal, she was sunk off Vancouver Island in Sydney Harbour to provide an artificial reef. Her anchor was sent to Yellowknife and sits in front of the military headquarters down the street from us. Now that this beautiful ship has settled on the bottom of the Pacific where there was previously nothing but sandy ocean bottom, she will attract a variety of marine life and divers from all over the world, who will carry out observation work under the sea, to see how an artificial reef functions. It will provide many more years of usefulness to Canada.

So that is the model of the ship in the foyer. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Whitford . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Koe .

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NWT Ferry Schedules

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to express some concern about the hours of operation of the ferries, specifically at the Peel River crossing and the Mackenzie River crossing.

This year, the hours of operation of these ferries, and other ferries across the territories, have been changed. They are now working on a timed schedule. There have been many complaints by many of the people who are using these roads and ferries about the waiting time and methods of operation of these ferries. There is a lot of traffic in the Delta region between Fort McPherson, Tsiigehtchic and Inuvik. We are also now well into the tourism season and there are many tourists who are coming to these crossings and are a little dismayed at the time they have to wait.

Later this afternoon, my colleague from Mackenzie Delta is going to be tabling a petition which we received from residents in the area. They are complaining about the timing of these ferry crossings. So I would like to raise the issue and I would like to ask the Minister and the department to do a quick evaluation of the hours of operation of the ferries at the Peel River and the Mackenzie River crossings before we get well into the summer season. The timing is right that we do an evaluation now to take an assessment of how these operations are being run. Thank you very much.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Are there any further Members' statements? Mrs. Marie-Jewell .

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41st Anniversary Of Fort Smith Catholic Women's League

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Catholic Women's League is celebrating its 75th anniversary with more than 114,000 members across Canada. In Fort Smith, the Catholic Women's League will celebrate its 41st year with 11 active members.

However, we have been fortunate in Fort Smith and honoured to have the Catholic Women's League and the Mackenzie Diocese spiritual director from Fort Smith. Donna Currie is only the second woman to hold that position. In the past, the CWL always had a priest as a chaplain.

The CWL started in Fort Smith in 1954 with eight members and they were, at the time, Mrs. Saraphine Evans, Mrs. Bohnet, Mrs. Gratix, Mrs. Giroux, and Mrs. Amirault, who was the first president, with Father Mokwa being the chaplain.

During the 1960s and 1970s, the league concentrated on the sanctity of life, women in the church, Christian family life, world peace, pension reform and social justice for women worldwide. I would like to take the time to recognize the present active members of the CWL: Donna Currie, Anna Hodgkins, Monique Bird, Jean Le Guerfler, Dora Tourangeau, Saraphine Evans, Giselle Soucy, Joan Langevin, Isabelle Le Guerrier, Margaret Levadnuk, and Charlotte Anderson. Saraphine Evans was one of the initial members and continues to be involved.

One of the other members, Dora Tourangeau, is in her late 80s and still helps out with the CWL. I would like to take the time to commend and thank the women who have given all their extra effort to the CWL. We are proud of our women, who continue to be active members in striving for the spiritual interest of our community. Thank you.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mrs. Marie-Jewell . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Ballantyne .

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Father's Day

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, Sunday was Father's Day. it is a day for fathers across the Northwest Territories to celebrate their relationship with their kids and reflect on the most important role that men with children must undertake in their life: that is, bringing up their children to be productive and caring adults. We often hear about parents' rights and we hear, very often in this House, about the responsibility of governments, courts, teachers and police officers to care for children. Let there be no doubt, the primary responsibility for bringing up children lies with their parents.

We have the responsibility to ensure our kids stay out of trouble, become educated and to become active and productive members of society. We should also take a moment to think about fathers less fortunate than us, who have lost children to crime, suicide and accident. When we're reflecting on the joy that our children bring to us, we should remember the tragedies that happen out there. We can never forget that. I think all of us have the responsibility to protect all children, not just our own.

We can count our blessings as parents. In the 1990s, the role of men has changed significantly. Men can no longer leave the raising of their children to their wives; we must be involved in every part of our children's lives. Having children is a wonderful gift, and it is a gift that we must take the time and effort to nurture. Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

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Father's Day

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ballantyne . Item 3, Members' statements. Do we have any further Members' statements? Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Pollard .

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Further Return To Question 634-12(7): Reinstatement Of Bird Dog Officers During Investigation

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a response to a question asked by Mrs. Marie- Jewell on June 16, 1995, concerning Bird Dog officer investigations. Mr. Speaker, today, under orders of the day, item 13, tabling of documents, I will table an excerpt from the human resource manual,

section 701, which speaks to the process for investigating recommendations for dismissal. Numbers 38 through 42 in

section 701 specifically address the investigation procedures followed upon receipt of a request for dismissal. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Further Return To Question 634-12(7): Reinstatement Of Bird Dog Officers During Investigation

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Ng .

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Further Return To Question 580-12(7): Creation Of Fire Breaks As Preventative Measures

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a return to an oral question asked by Mrs. Marie-Jewell on June 12, 1995, with respect to the creation of fire breaks as preventative measures.

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Lewis .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize Bob and Carol Latremouille. They were residents of Yellowknife for many years; they lived on my street. Carol was also an employee of the government. They are visiting in their retirement, just to show you that when people retire, they spend time here. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

Welcome to the Assembly. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Today, I would like to recognize the fathers, who are in the gallery and in this Chamber, and wish them a belated Happy Father's Day and also the mothers, a belated Happy Mother's Day.

---Applause

Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Whitford .

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Question 642-12(7): Role Of Saps In Bird Dog Officer Investigation

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In light of what Minister Pollard had to say regarding the subject of Bird Dog officers and the investigation taking place, I would like to ask the Minister responsible for Safety a question concerning the Bird Dogs. Over the past few days, Members of this House have heard on the radio numerous reports suggesting that there is political interference taking place with the investigation being conducted by the chief safety officer.

Some of my constituents, as well, are concerned about those allegations. I would like to ask the Minister it he could clarify and advise this House about the role his department is playing in this matter.

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Question 642-12(7): Role Of Saps In Bird Dog Officer Investigation

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister of Safety and Public Services , Mr. Nerysoo .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1405

Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would just like to advise the honourable Member that the chief safety officer is conducting the investigation according to the legislative authority he has. As Minister, I believe it is none of my business to intervene at this particular juncture. I've been asked to ensure that the responsibility that has been assigned is carried out accordingly and, to date, there has been no involvement on the part of any of the political leaders to deter or affect the investigation being conducted.

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Thank you, Minister Nerysoo . Supplementary, Mr. Whitford .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1405

Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister if his department has instructed them as to how long the investigation should take. Have they set a time limit?

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Page 1405

Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would just like to indicate to the honourable Member that there has been no suggestion of a time limit for the investigation. It is my belief that the chief safety officer has to assume the responsibility for investigating thoroughly the issues related to the concerns raised. Once that is done, obviously, the chief safety officer will file the report and advise us accordingly.

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Brian Lewis

supplementary, Mr. Whitford ; or are you finished?

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Question 643-12(7): Acting Premier

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1405

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Government House Leader, who is the acting Premier today. Thank you.

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Brian Lewis

The question is to Mr. Pollard . Who is the acting Premier today?

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John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. Mr. Speaker, there is no acting Premier today. The Prime Minister was here on the weekend, as everybody knows. The Premier went to visit him. She is still in the Northwest Territories, we're still in contact with her, so there is no need to appoint anybody. I merely will be taking questions for her if there are any questions directed at her. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I'm interested in knowing where Mr. Todd was on Friday. I know he was in Rankin, but I would like to know what types of meetings he attended in Rankin. Thank you.

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Brian Lewis

I would like to rule that question ... Maybe you could rephrase it, because it's not a supplementary to your first question about who the acting Premier is. Maybe you could rephrase it so it would be in order.

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Brian Lewis

Mrs. Marie-Jewell , I understand that, so I'll put you down on my list. I have to go to another Member for a first question. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Koe .

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Question 644-12(7): Status Of Metis Health Benefits

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1405

Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, on Friday, June 16th, I asked the Minister of Health and Social Services about the status of the Metis health benefits. The Minister, at the time, indicated that it was still under review. I understand that the issue is more than under review; that they're trying to negotiate the terms of the program. I would like to ask the Minister of Finance if an agreement has been reached with the Metis Nation of the Northwest Territories on the Metis health benefits?

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John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, no, I don't believe an arrangement has been concluded between the Department of Health and the Metis Nation. However, there has been an agreement between

myself and Mr. Bohnet that the Metis health benefits will be retroactive to the date of assent of the budget bill that passed through here in late April, I believe around the 26th or 27th of April, Mr. Speaker. I did that last week in order to take pressure off of both sides who were trying to get this deal together. I wanted them to have some assurance that they didn't have to rush the process through, because I would like it to be fair to both sides and I would also like it to be an economic arrangement, as well. So that's the latest, and the department will continue to discuss this issue with the Metis Nation and, hopefully, they'll conclude a soon. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Brian Lewis

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1406

Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi. One of the contentious issues, I understand, is the issue of when the benefits are going to come into effect. Has any arrangement or agreement been made as to what date the Metis benefits will come into effect?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1406

John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, assuming an agreement can be reached some time this fiscal year, it will be retroactive to the date of assent of the budget that went through here in April, and I think that date is around the 26th or 27th of April. So if an arrangement is made, it will be retroactive to that particular date, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Brian Lewis

Thank you, Mr. Pollard . Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Antoine .

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Question 645-12(7): Changes To Water And Sewer Subsidy Program

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1406

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed towards the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs regarding the water and sewer subsidy. The government has made some changes to the water and sewer subsidy program; the subsidized commercial rates in the hamlets, charter communities and designated communities changed. I would like to ask the Minister, as of June 1 st, have there been any changes to the subsidy program? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1406

The Deputy Speaker

Brian Lewis

Minister of MACA.

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Page 1406

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, a hold has been put on any further changes to the water and sewer subsidy program until such time as the department evaluates what happened as a result of that initial change that took place last year. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1406

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last year before the Minister now responsible took over, we made some changes to the water and sewer subsidy program. I know the Standing Committee on Finance asked that this subsidy program be delayed until we have a full evaluation of it. Is that one of the reasons the Minister and the government are now holding off on changes to the water and sewer subsidy program? Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker

Brian Lewis

Mr. Ng .

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Page 1406

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, that is one of the primary reasons, Mr. Speaker. As well, the department wanted to assess what financial impact these changes had to the municipalities and the businesses out there. So until such time as that is done, there won't be any further changes to the existing policy.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1406

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister a further question. We had made some changes some months ago and there is definitely an impact on the private consumers as well as the commercial consumers. Can the Minister tell the House what type of impact the initial changes to the water and sewer subsidy program have in the north? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1406

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The department heard initially from some private business operators about the impact the changes had. They basically decreased the level of subsidy available to commercial businesses, to a small extent. But as far as the dollars and cents, Mr. Speaker, I don't have that information. Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker

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Thank you, Mr. Ng . Final supplementary, Mr. Antoine .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1406

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you. The last information I had about the subsidized commercial rates to communities was that effective June 1st, 90 per cent rather than 100 per cent of the water and sewer consumption by commercial users will be subsidized. Is the Minister telling us that that's all changed and that's on hold until the subsidy has been done? Thank you.

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Page 1407

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The change to the water and sewer subsidy program that took place last year is in effect now, and there won't be any further changes to the change that was put into effect last year. Thank you.

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Page 1407

The Deputy Speaker

Brian Lewis

Thank you, Mr. Ng . hem 6, oral questions. If there's nobody new, Mrs. Marie-Jewell .

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Question 646-12(7): Effect Of Arctic A Airport Negotiations On NWT Airport Services

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1407

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Transportation . Mr. Speaker, last week the Minister of Transportation made an announcement with respect to the Arctic A airports transfer agreement on the accomplishment he has made with respect to the transfer with the federal government of Arctic A airports.

First of all, I commend him on such a successful process with respect to this transfer agreement. But I would like to ask him, Mr. Speaker, whether or not he can give us some indication how this will affect Arctic A airports in the north? Thank you.

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Page 1407

The Deputy Speaker

Brian Lewis

Thank you. Mr. Todd .

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Page 1407

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We are, as I said earlier in this session, optimistic that the current levels of funding that we have managed to negotiate will permit us to maintain the current levels of services that are currently provided. It's not the department's intention to see any significant change in the current levels of services provided at these nine Arctic A airports.

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Page 1407

The Deputy Speaker

Brian Lewis

Thank you, Mr. Todd . Supplementary, Mrs. Marie-Jewell ,

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1407

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Since he indicated that the communities wouldn't appear to see any significant change, can he indicate to this House whether or not this transfer agreement of Arctic A airports will have any affect on PYs in the regions or in the communities where this transfer is effective? Thank you.

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Page 1407

The Deputy Speaker

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Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Again, Mr. Speaker, as I said, it's our hope and our intention to maintain the current levels of services. I am optimistic. As I said, they are still working out the day-to-day details of taking over the Arctic A airports. July 1st is the sign-off date. I am confident and optimistic that we will be able to maintain the jobs, the levels of services and, in fact, because we will be able to integrate all the expertise that is sitting in the nine Arctic A airports into our B and C airports, we are even optimistic that we will be able to harness a whole bunch of expertise that we haven't had in the past.

So it should actually make our operations oven more effective than they currently are. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Todd . Supplementary, Mrs. Marie-Jewell .

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister mentioned the different levels of airports. Currently, I know our regional people at the community level, even though we have an Arctic A airport, also look after B and C airports. So will they continue with the responsibility of look is after the B and C airports? Thank you.

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Yes, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you. Final supplementary. The Minister indicated in his statement that the agreement transferred a staff of 122 employees. I would like clarification on whether these 122 employees were current PYs within the Northwest Territories, or did we receive any additional PYs from out of the Northwest Territories upon the transfer? Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

I stand to be corrected, but I believe that all the PYs were territorial Transport Canada employees, I believe. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister responsible for housing. Mr. Speaker, can we say now, finally and absolutely, that the federal government is out of any capital assistance to the Northwest Territories government to build new houses? Thank you.

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Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have managed to get approximately $9 million out of the federal government for home ownership programs that have been carried out this year, and I am going to be attending a housing Ministers' meeting in Newfoundland in the early part of July and hopefully, if there's any money available, we'll get our share. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you. At the very least, we can probably say a trend has developed, and the capital part of the federal government contribution is slowly dissolving to nothing over a period of time.

My second question to the Minister is, do we still have a firm commitment that for whatever new houses we build, the federal government will continue to pay their portion of the O and M for social housing?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We do have a firm commitment. It is my understanding that we have a firm commitment of the federal government paying their share of the O and M for the existing public housing stock that we have. That is shared with them, but for the last year, we have not built any new public housing because they do not cost-share any public housing. They have agreed to cost-share our home ownership program.

There is also information available that the Minister of Indian Affairs as well as the Minister responsible for Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation are supposed to be putting a paper together for an aboriginal housing program on-reserve and off-reserve, so we are looking forward to seeing that paper.

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Thank you, Mr. Morin . Second supplementary, Mr. Ballantyne .

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The second part of that response is interesting. Even though we haven't taken advantage of it, because we haven't built any social housing that needed the O and M component, if, for instance, the Minister this year decided to build 100 units that weren't part of the home ownership plan, would the federal government cost-share the O and M?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is my understanding that, no, they would not.

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Thank you, Mr. Morin . Final supplementary, Mr. Ballantyne .

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Final supplementary. Let me just try to pin this down so everyone knows. Essentially we have come to the end of capital. They've capped O and M. So my last question is a question I've asked the Minister. It's always been my fear that now they've done those two things, the next thing they are going to do is look into cutting back on their O and M commitments. The Minister was going to look into it to ensure that our present agreements were airtight and that there's no chance that the federal government will start to claw back their commitment to O and M funding of our present stock.

Is the Minister confident that he can protect the present agreement with the federal government for their present social housing stock?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is my understanding that we do have tight agreements with the federal government. Whether or not they can find a way to get out of those agreements, we will try to ensure that they do not, and I will make the Minister of CMHC aware that we would be most unhappy if they did back out of the agreements that are signed and sealed already. Thank you.

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Brian Lewis

Thank you, Mr. Morin . Next on my list I have Mr. Koe , but is there anybody who wants to ask an oral question who hasn't asked one yet and who wants to do so? Nobody? Mr. Koe .

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Question 648-12(7): Status Of Provisions For Funding Recreation Leaders' Program

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1408

Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. The training for recreation leaders has been provided by the Aurora College with funding provided through the municipalities which in turn receive their monies from the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs. It's been my understanding that up till now, these students who take the recreation leadership program have been sponsored through subsidized wages by their municipalities.

I understand also that the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs is now or may be changing its policies with regard to providing funds to municipalities for supporting the recreation leadership program.

I would like to ask the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, is the department changing its policies for funding recreation leadership programs in the municipalities?

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Brian Lewis

Mr. Nerysoo .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Currently, the department provides a funding subsidy of 80 per cent of the salary, up to the amount of $35,000, to municipalities for their recreation leaders; coordinators, we call them. We've found, Mr. Speaker, that some municipalities are having a difficult time finding people from the communities to undertake the recreation leadership program and to complete their studies, and have requested that we allow them to have candidates for the recreation leadership programs who are not from the Northwest Territories and still receive the subsidy.

So, based on that, we are looking at removing the criteria of having the eligible candidate be from the Northwest Territories, at the municipalities' request. Thank you.

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Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Koe .

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

The recreation leadership program is probably one of our most successful ones provided by Aurora College. I'm just curious, if the policy is changing, what does that mean in terms of the type of sponsorship that is going to be provided to students who are from the north, or wherever, to take this program?

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. What it will mean, Mr. Speaker, is if a municipality requests that they continue to receive the subsidy for a recreation leader who is not from the Northwest Territories, the department will allow them that flexibility, given that we encourage municipalities to hire individuals who have completed the recreation leadership program, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Just for the record then, can you confirm that the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs is not cutting the subsidy program for recreation leaders?

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Currently, as I said, municipalities receive 80 per cent, up to the amount of $35,000, for recreation leaders. The department does not plan to cut back on that subsidy at this point. However, I would like to reiterate what has been said in the past: given the fiscal conditions of this government and this department, it will be something that will continue to be looked at in the overall context of funding for municipalities. Thank you.

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Question 649-12(7): Status Of Community Prospecting Course

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1409

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, last week was Mining Week in the Northwest Territories and we have received all kinds of literature on our desks regarding it. I'm very interested in mining in my area. Recently, in travelling in my constituency, some questions were raised about the government having a course for people in the north to study prospecting. So, I would like to direct my question to the Minister of Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources , in this regard. Has the government or his department had in the past, or currently, a program to help people in the communities take prospecting courses so they can get involved in the mining industry as prospectors? Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, Mr. Speaker, the Department of Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources, in partnership with the Department of Education, Culture and Employment, have run some prospecting courses here in Yellowknife and, I believe, in my honourable colleague's riding of Baker Lake. Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Is this prospecting course a regular type of Arctic College Program or is it a program that the people of the community have to develop themselves, and request departmental funding for? Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

I'm familiar with Arctic College, Mr. Speaker, and these programs would be best suited to go into the communities to help communities get involved. I would like to

ask the Minister it that is possible; if communities are interested in running programs such as would they be developed, offered and delivered in the communities interested? Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, we've already accomplished that, in Baker Lake, for example. And I believe that, at the request of the Prospectors' Association of Baker Lake, we are also doing it this summer. So, it certainly is possible. Thank you.

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Question 650-12(7): Status Of Firefighting Training Program In Nwt

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a question I would like to direct to the Minister responsible for Education . Mr. Speaker, a number of my constituents have spoken up about an issue currently being debated; forest firefighting in the territories. It has sparked the interest of a good number of young people wanting to get into the business of fighting fires. They recognize the need for training and they would like to know if they can get this training here in the Northwest Territories.

I would like to ask the Minister whether Arctic College is currently, or certainly in the future, going to be training forest firefighters and Bird Dog officers because of the training necessary to participate in this occupation? Do they have this at Arctic College?

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I can advise the honourable Member that my colleague, Mr. Morin , and I have had a discussion on this matter already. We have advised our departments to discuss the issue of training, in conjunction with Aurora College. Once those discussions have taken place, we can probably report to the Members the extent of that discussion. The intention is to try to ensure we have some training programs in place, at least this winter some time. But that's not to suggest, Mr. Speaker, that we may not be able to put into place all the technical requirements for that program. But we will be working on the development of a program of this type. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I gather, then, from the answer that there is nothing currently. Where would and how would young people seeking involvement in this profession go about doing that? Is this information available through Arctic College?

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I can advise the honourable Member that there already are some courses offered outside of the Northwest Territories for anyone who wants to be skilled in this field. Part of the information could be received through discussions with our peer centres or With the Department of Renewable Resources. However, I can advise the honourable Member that there is no program offered in Aurora College or Nunavut Arctic College. It is our intention to discuss the matter of developing an appropriate program, but it will take us some time.

We need to have discussions with Aurora College, Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources, probably Education, Culture and Employment, and Renewable Resources in order for us to be certain we have the appropriate program in place, but it will take us some time. We are interested in reviewing this matter and bringing forward a response to the suggestion made by the honourable Member.

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Mr. Whitford , second supplementary. Are you finished?

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Question 651-12(7): Commencement Of Salary Increase For Certified Firefighters

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister responsible for fire suppression a question with respect to his Minister's statement. I commend him for being able to give an increase to the certified firefighters, as they certainly are worth all of the money that they make. They work very hard and they work in very hard conditions. I've noted that the Minister has increased their wages from $8.75 to $11.50 per hour. The Minister indicated in Fort Smith in May that he was going to do this. I would like to ask the Minister whether this increase in salary is effective today's date, or at the beginning of the fire season. Thank you.

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Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This would not be retroactive because I had not gotten Cabinet approval until Thursday or Friday to carry this out. This is for the emergency firefighters and casual firefighters. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you. Mr. Speaker, the other question I want to ask under the responsibility of the same Minister is with respect to --as he indicated in his Minister's statement --how the department plans to address using resources; whether it be helicopters, fixed-wing, or machinery

from the community. With respect to requesting resources to assist with the fire, is it the responsibility of the Government of the Northwest Territories fire management program to call in the resources, or is it the responsibility of the contractor providing these types of services to the government? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It's my understanding that if equipment is needed on the fire, the fire boss is the one who requests it through his regional office and that goes to the fire centre that controls all of them. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Would the Minister be able to determine whether it is the northern contractor to be able to bring in these resources, or a departmental responsibility and advise the House? Thank you.

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Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can I get the Member to repeat the question, I didn't hear it.

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Mrs. Marie-Jewell , can you repeat the question?

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

As the Minister indicated, it's up to the fire centre to determine. Would the Minister determine whether or not the fire centre acquires the resources from northern contractors, or does the department take on the responsibility of acquiring these services and advise the House accordingly? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is my understanding that the fire centre is in the Department of Renewable Resources, and it's my understanding that they make the request. For example, it they need...(inaudible)...helicopters or more bombers, they make the request directly to the deputy minister, Joe Handley, and he has the final say on whether it comes here. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you. Since the Minister does not know for sure what the process is, Mr. Speaker, my understanding is fire control asks the contractor to provide resources if they're fixed-wing, helicopter or any type of aircraft. I'm trying to determine who the responsibility lies with; whether it is the contractor who brings in these services, or whether it's a departmental responsibility. This is why I'm trying to determine this, in order to be able to question the process used when they want to get southern expertise to assist them in fighting fires. Thank you.

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Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'll take that question as notice.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Finance . Off and on we have talked about training programs, supplying training to our youth. At times, we have talked about counselling our youth in this particular jurisdiction. We all know that keeping the dialogue going between the elders and youth is very important, especially in this day and age. I think the Members of this Legislature know what I'm talking about. Our youth needs direction from the elders, and we all need the wisdom and knowledge of the elders in our communities.

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Hear! Hear!

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Mr. Speaker, we spend a substantial amount of money providing training and we are very thankful for that. We also spend a substantial amount of money providing counselling. We are thankful for that, Mr. Speaker. My question to the honourable Minister is this: is there any funding available from this government to