Debates of March 21st, 1994

This is page numbers 719 - 751 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Education Week - Technology In The Classroom

Appreciation For Conference Sponsored By Yellowknife Association Of Community Living

Financial Assistance For Students Attending High School In Provinces

Transportation Services For Special Needs Persons

Kids' Help Phone Bowl-a-thon

Opposition To Privatization Of The NWT Power Corporation

Film Production Commencing In Iqaluit

Inaugural Youth Conference In Rankin Inlet

Recognition Of Chief Joseph Judas

Appreciation For Actions Taken Re Mother And Deceased Child

Election Of President For Nunavut Tunngavik Incorporated

Premier's Actions To Protect Sanikiluaq In Great Whale Project

Federal Government Assistance With Western Constitutional Development

Agreement Between Makivik Corporation And Hydro Quebec

Government's Willingness To Take Legal Action Against Hydro Quebec

Canadian Centre For Justice Reports On Violence Against Women

Privatization Of Yukon Power Corporation As Example To GNWT

Policies Of Nwtpc To Support Northern Businesses

Invitation To Minister To Keewatin Youth Conference

Discussions With Federal Minister Re Contract Awarded To Southern-based Company

Policy For Sole Source Contracts

Policy For Sole Source Contracts

Provisions For Transportation For Handicapped People

Social Services Programs Available To Small Communities

Impact Of Recognition Of Metis By Federal Government

Written Question 21-12(5): Sole Source Contracts Entered Into By Department Of Justice

Report On Bills 9, 11 And 12

Report On Bills 15 And 17

Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Bill 1: Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1994-95Committee Report 2-12(5): Review Of The 1994-95 Main Estimates

To Adopt Recommendation 29

To Defer Estimates For Accommodation Services

To Adopt Recommendation 34

Item 19: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 21: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Mr. Allooloo , Hon. Silas Arngna'naaq , Mr. Arvaluk , Mr. Ballantyne , Hon. Nellie Cournoyea , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Lewis , Hon. Jeannie Marie-Jewell , Hon. Rebecca Mike , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Richard Nerysoo , Mr. Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. Patterson , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Hon. John Todd , Mr. Whitford , Mr. Zoe

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Good afternoon. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Nerysoo .

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Minister's Statement 52-12(5): Education Week - Technology In The Classroom

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I am pleased to announced that this is Education Week in the Northwest Territories. This year's theme is "technology in the classroom."

We've all heard about the electronic super-highway and how it will shape communications in the coming years. The development of this highway has implications for education in the Northwest Territories and the world.

First, if the Northwest Territories is going to keep up with the rapid pace of technological change now and in the future, it is essential that our students learn how to use new technologies as they emerge.

Secondly, the electronic highway is potentially an excellent teaching tool, enabling Northwest Territories students to access information from a wide range of sources, and to communicate and collaborate on projects with other students in the rest of Canada and throughout the world.

For example, a few days ago students at Samuel Hearne School in Inuvik, Ecole St. Joseph School in Yellowknife and a school in Hillsboro, California were linked by computer to participate in a unique pilot project. They were testing the capabilities of communications technology for an international expedition which will take place next year. Students and staff in the three schools worked with computers, scanners and a computer tablet to learn more about the international Arctic project from the expedition team which was working out of Ecole St. Joseph School.

Next year, this team of international explorers and scientists will conduct a major expedition to increase understanding of the Arctic and its role in the global environment. They will use an international computer network to interact daily with students in grades four through 12 in classrooms around the world.

The team is currently on a practice expedition into the central Arctic, and their progress reports are posted regularly on the North of 60 electronic bulletin board system and internet.

Northwest Territories schools will follow this project on a daily basis through the bulletin board system, which my department established last year. Their participation in the international Arctic project teleconference was made possible through the cooperation of NorthwesTel, which contributed a good deal of the equipment and staff expertise.

To ensure all students in the Northwest Territories have access to the bulletin board system, Education, Culture and Employment has provided all schools with a computer and a high-speed modem. Schools in every community and the department can exchange messages, transfer files and access data banks and distance learning materials. During Education Week, schools will participate in a number of projects using the north of 60 system.

The department is also developing a distance education strategy which will provide communities in the Northwest Territories access to an electronic information and distance learning system.

All communities will be electronically linked and connected to national and international information networks. The department will provide programming for these networks using television, radio, libraries and computers.

Through consolidation of programs, a new information networks division was established in the department which brings together staff with expertise in this area. Information networks coordinates Government of the Northwest Territories participation in Television Northern Canada supports regional, community and private broadcasters; and, provides library services in partnership with communities, library boards and school boards. It also produces, acquires and distributes learning resources for school-based and distance education programs.

Madam Speaker, my department is already working in partnership with other government departments and agencies, aboriginal broadcasters and the private sector on the development and use of new communications networks.

To ensure that the distance education strategy is developed with input from all of these partners, as well as the residents of the Northwest Territories, the department has contracted the Inuit Broadcasting Corporation to plan a symposium on distance learning and new communications technologies. The symposium will be held this summer on TVNC, so it will be broadcast in communities from Labrador to Yukon. Presenters at the TVNC uplink sites in Yellowknife, Iqaluit and Whitehorse will facilitate discussions, while people from all communities will be able to phone in with comments and suggestions.

Madam Speaker, access to electronic sources of information will play an increasingly important role in the development of the Northwest Territories in the coming years. Education, Culture and Employment, with the cooperation of our partners, is developing an interactive networking system for the use and benefit of all residents of the Northwest Territories. I am pleased that the theme of Education Week reflects and promotes this innovative direction. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 52-12(5): Education Week - Technology In The Classroom

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Lewis .

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Appreciation For Conference Sponsored By Yellowknife Association Of Community Living

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Speaker. On the weekend, Madam Speaker, I attended a conference at the Yellowknife Inn which was sponsored by the Yellowknife Association of Community Living. This association attempts to find ways in which mentally handicapped adults can integrate themselves into our society, and there were people from all over Newfoundland, from Manitoulin Island, Toronto and various other places in southern Canada. But, more especially, there were very large delegations from northern communities.

From Tuktoyaktuk there were half a dozen people who came, from Rae-Edzo there were at least half a dozen people, from Cambridge Bay, Fort Smith and many other communities right throughout the Northwest Territories to try to find ways in which people, in fact, who have handicaps, can find ways of living on their own independently, with their own small place and look after themselves, and also to help them to find ways in which they can provide some kind of satisfactory work, preferably, in the long run -- and this was part of the vision -- in the place that they would like to call home.

I would like to, on behalf of the association, thank, especially, the Department of Social Services that sponsored a banquet on Saturday night. The highlight of this banquet was the fact that people were forced to get together, but also to listen to some wonderful northern entertainers. I had not heard this young lady sing before, but there is a young lady in Yellowknife by the name of Amber Lemouel who I had heard a lot about. She is 15 years old and has a voice that will tear your heart out.

For those people who are looking for a young singer who has obvious vocal talents, this is the person they should be looking to, I believe, as someone who has a good career in front of her. Thank you very much, Madam Speaker.

---Applause

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Appreciation For Conference Sponsored By Yellowknife Association Of Community Living

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 720

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Amittuq , Mr. Allooloo .

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Financial Assistance For Students Attending High School In Provinces

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I rise today to speak on the lack of reasonable policy by the Department of Education in dealing with the issue of NWT students attending high school in the south.

In my constituency, there is one student whose parents decided was too advanced to take the general high school courses as offered in Pond Inlet. The only option given to this student to receive the advanced high school courses was for him to attend high school in Iqaluit. Madam Speaker, his parents did not want to send their son there because of all the social problems and the low rate of graduation by the aboriginal students.

Madam Speaker, this family has enrolled their son in a school in Ottawa at considerable expense to themselves. When they asked the Department of Education for help, they were told that there was no policy covering this, and ultimately it was the divisional board's responsibility to deal with this situation. The Baffin divisional board says that it is the Department of Education's responsibility to provide direction in this matter.

Madam Speaker, I'll be pursuing this matter during question period. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Baffin South , Mr. Pudlat .

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Transportation Services For Special Needs Persons

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) I will be making a statement today regarding problems with transportation services for a person with special needs in my constituency. Concerns have been brought to my attention from both Cape Dorset and Sanikiluaq regarding this issue. In both of these communities, there are a number of young people with either physical or mental handicaps who require assistance while going to school or other places in the community. I have been asked to bring up this issue by both parents and care givers.

I understand that in Cape Dorset, there has been some effort to provide rides to people with wheelchairs in regular vehicles, but this has proven very cumbersome and impractical without a proper wheelchair lift. They would like assistance from the government for obtaining a properly equipped vehicle. Madam Speaker, I am also informed that in Sanikiluaq, there is no formal arrangement for providing transportation assistance for those with special needs in that community. Parents have to do their best by using snowmobiles in the winter or all-terrain vehicles in the summer, which causes a lot of hardship to them.

During question period today, I will be asking the government for information on what programs are presently available to help these people and to find out if we are, in fact, doing everything we can to assist those with special needs in improving their mobility. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Transportation Services For Special Needs Persons

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife North , Mr. Ballantyne .

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Kids' Help Phone Bowl-a-thon

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I thought today I would bring Members up to date on the results of the Kids' Help Phone bowl-a-thon which took place on Friday night. Members will recall that Mr. Morin , Mr. Dent and myself canvassed Members for support for this particular event. The Kids' Help Phone bowl-a-thon was held in cooperation with the Yellowknife five pin bowler's association and the Bank of Montreal and they raised close to $25,000 for a national Kids' Help Phone line.

For the record, that phone number is 1-800-668-6868. I think it's a very important service that is being provided across the country to kids in trouble. Your MLA's team consisted of Captain Charles "Pinball" Dent, Donnie "Crash" Morin, my eight year old daughter Alexandra "Hawkeye" Ballantyne, and myself.

---Laughter

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Kids' Help Phone Bowl-a-thon

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An Hon. Member

What was your score?

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Kids' Help Phone Bowl-a-thon

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thanks to the generosity of Members, we raised over $1,000 for this cause.

---Applause

The actual details I can share with Members. My daughter's best game was 107. She did very well with an unorthodox two-handed technique. Charles Dent was really the star. He had the best score of anybody. He bowled 277 with five consecutive strikes, a cult hero among certain people in this town. Donnie and I went head to head and at the very end, due to bad luck on my part, Donnie won 204 to 200 when I missed the head pin in the last frame. But, we have a rematch for next year. I would, again, like to thank all Members, members of our staff and even the media who supported this very worthwhile cause. Thank you, very much.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Kitikmeot , Mr. Ng .

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Opposition To Privatization Of The NWT Power Corporation

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. During the past year, my constituents have raised concerns regarding the possible privatization of the NWT Power Corporation. Madam Premier has stated that she intends to bring forward a proposal on privatization for discussion before the end of this session. Madam Speaker, I, along with many of my colleagues, have also raised and discussed many concerns which must be addressed by the government prior to any consideration of our support to sell off the Power Corporation.

Some of these concerns and issues include the status of the rate subsidy program, how a continuation of the program can be ensured, and the justification for disposition of the NWT Power Corporation, why it is necessary, besides generating a one-time revenue from the sale which will be used to offset other fiscal requirements of the government on a short-term basis. The current NWT Power Corporation operation is profitable, generating a positive return to our government which is used to finance a rate subsidy program to assist higher cost communities while also paying back the long-term debt.

Madam Speaker, if operated efficiently, this GNWT asset will be one worth holding on to, unlike other privatization initiatives undertaken to save our government money. The other issues which must be addressed as to what effect privatization of the Power Corporation will have include the status of the current employees, power rates as a result of the corporation becoming a taxable entity, affirmative action initiatives, buy north initiatives, and the current responsiveness and accountability of the Power Corporation to the public through the GNWT and the Legislative Assembly.

Madam Speaker, the government is aware of these issues. I certainly hope they will be addressed in the proposal coming forward for discussion. At this time, I will not even consider supporting privatization of the Power Corporation until I am assured that these issues are dealt with to my satisfaction, to that of my colleagues, and most importantly, to the satisfaction of my constituents and all northerners who will be directly affected by the initiative.

Madam Speaker, I believe that privatization of the Power Corporation is a government initiative that lacks any political support from Members of this Assembly. If this is the case, I hope it's demise will be quick in order that our government can focus on matters which our constituents fully support, such as providing housing, education, training, and developing employment and income-earning opportunities. Mahsi cho.

---Applause

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Opposition To Privatization Of The NWT Power Corporation

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Iqaluit , Mr. Patterson .

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Film Production Commencing In Iqaluit

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, this week two major made-for-TV film productions are commencing production in the Northwest Territories: Frostfire, in Yellowknife, which some Members know about, and The

Trial at Fortitude Bay, in Iqaluit. Madam Speaker, these productions, I'm sure Members appreciate, provide sizeable economic benefits to the communities in which they shoot.

The Trial at Fortitude Bay, like Map of the Human Heart and Agaguk and other recent productions filmed in Iqaluit and many others filmed there over the years, will employ Inuit as actors at generous wages, many more local people as extras, as set builders, people who rent their snowmobiles and Komatiks, their vehicles, provide caribou clothing and artifacts. This is a well established industry in the Northwest Territories. Madam Speaker, so is the Canadian film industry.

Most provinces, and even the Yukon Territory, have film development corporations or policies to provide the financial incentives these productions sometimes need to make the shoot viable in their jurisdiction. I believe a program of this kind is now even more important for the Northwest Territories, since other provinces, and even the Yukon, have programs to offer incentives. I know for example that Churchill, Manitoba, with the support of the Manitoba Film Development Corporation, was actively bidding with the production consortium of the Trial at Fortitude Bay for the opportunity to have the economic benefits of shooting outdoor scenes on location in Churchill.

I would like to thank the Honourable John Todd , his deputy and his regional superintendent for some financial assistance that was provided to help tip the balance so the Trial at Fortitude Bay could be filmed in Iqaluit and in the Northwest Territories. We need a proper policy, proper programs and a more orderly approach to attracting these important benefits to the north. Thank you.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Aivilik , Mr. Arvaluk .

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Inaugural Youth Conference In Rankin Inlet

Item 3: Members' Statements

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to inform the House of a meeting that will be held in Rankin Inlet from March 22 to March 24 this week. Starting tomorrow, the youth of the Keewatin region will assemble at the Nanuq Inn in Rankin in the first-ever youth conference of its kind to be held in the Keewatin region.

For the information of Members and the public in the Northwest Territories, I will list out some of the topics to be discussed from the agenda: youth coordinator support; Nunavut Tunngavik Incorporated code of conduct; youth, the forgotten beneficiaries; finding solutions for our future; elders' traditions; social issues such as peer pressure and self-esteem; suicide; drugs and alcohol; and, there are many other issues to be dealt with which I did not mention.

Madam Speaker, the youth of today face great challenges and we, the adults of today, must remind ourselves constantly that whatever we do becomes our legacy and falls into the lap of the youth when they become adults, good or bad. (End of translation)

Madam Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Arvaluk .

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Thank you, Madam Speaker and colleagues. (Translation) I would like to remind the participants of the Keewatin inaugural youth conference not to be overwhelmed by all the issues that they face. Although the issues before them are serious and may seem daunting, remember to enjoy yourselves. Madam Speaker, I would ask Members of this House to join me in congratulating and wishing the youth conference participants best wishes in the Keewatin region. Thank you.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for North Slave , Mr. Zoe .

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Recognition Of Chief Joseph Judas

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to take this opportunity to recognize Chief Joseph Judas from Snare Lake in the gallery this afternoon.

---Applause

He is here observing the proceedings of the House today, but the leadership of the Dogrib nation is scheduled to meet tomorrow all day and I know they have a number of issues they are considering. I wish them the best for the meetings that are scheduled for tomorrow. Thank you.

---Applause

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Recognition Of Chief Joseph Judas

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Natilikmiot , Mr. Ningark .

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Appreciation For Actions Taken Re Mother And Deceased Child

Item 3: Members' Statements

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. On Friday, March 18, I asked the Minister of Social Services about a mother having to carry a deceased child in a coffin at the airport. This morning I received a transcript of the 7:30 CBC news. I would like to commend Mary Broussard and I quote from the transcript, "We immediately realized that it will be in our best interest to convene a meeting with the people who are involved.

That would include Social Services, the airlines and we also spoke to the Status of Women and we will come together and talk about it and put procedures in place to ensure such an incident doesn't occur again in the future." I think Ms. Broussard deserves to be recognized publicly in the House and I hope this will not happen again. Again, I am thankful for the quick action upon this very sad issue. Thank you.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Kivallivik , Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Election Of President For Nunavut Tunngavik Incorporated

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to remind Inuit in the city of Yellowknife that there is an election being held today for the Nunavut Tunngavik Incorporated president. The election booths are at the Yellowknife Inn in annex "B." They were open at 10:00 am this morning and they will be closing at 7:00 pm. I would encourage all Inuit to go and make their vote count. There should be six names that they should be able to select from. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Baffin South , Mr. Pudlat .

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Question 331-12(5): Premier's Actions To Protect Sanikiluaq In Great Whale Project

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 723

Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is directed to the Premier . The recently published details of the agreement between the Makivik Corporation and Hydro Quebec over the Great Whale project, looks like it is a money deal as opposed to a deal that will look after the interests of all Inuit in the Hudson Bay. Can the Premier tell us what this government is doing to protect the interests of Sanikiluaq? Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Madam Premier .

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Question 331-12(5): Premier's Actions To Protect Sanikiluaq In Great Whale Project

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 723

Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, I have not seen the details of that agreement. I know there was discussion, so I will take that as notice and report back to the Member. Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 723

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Lewis .

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Question 332-12(5): Federal Government Assistance With Western Constitutional Development

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 723

Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is to Mr. Kakfwi . On Friday, the members of the Constitutional Development Steering Committee met with the Minister of DIAND, Mr. Irwin, for about half an hour, between 5:15 and 5:45 pm, and tried to get some idea of the federal government's commitment to helping establish some aboriginal rights in the Northwest Territories, and also in helping us with our constitutional development and the renewal of our act. He indicated some support for this process, but he didn't indicate what kind or how far.

I would like to ask the Minister, in subsequent conversations with the Minister, could he tell us what exactly the federal government will do to assist with this process in the Northwest Territories?

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Question 332-12(5): Federal Government Assistance With Western Constitutional Development

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 723

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Intergovernmental and Aboriginal Affairs , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The Minister has indicated that he wants to support the Constitutional Development Steering Committee process as the one visible and viable process here in the western territory for trying to get all aboriginal people and non-aboriginal people to work together to articulate what their political and constitutional vision is for the future of the western territory. In that respect, he has finally indicated he is prepared to talk in terms of dollars, and in terms of support by way of defining statements of what is and what is not acceptable with regard to political and constitutional development in the western territory.

There is no specific dollar terms that have been articulated. Hopefully, that will be done in the next few days. We have had some discussions with his staff to try to refine a budget and a process that would be acceptable to the Minister. We hope to finalize that this week. Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Lewis .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you very much. During this visit, the Minister has already given us an indication he is prepared to also sit down with treaty groups, Treaties 8 and 11, and also to come up with some arrangement for the Metis. I would like to ask the Minister, does this indicate to him that he expects the territorial government will be involved with aboriginal institutions, or will there also be money from the federal government to do that?

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 723

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Intergovernmental and Aboriginal Affairs , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Page 723

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Madam Speaker, the discussions that Treaty 8 is having with the federal government and ourselves regarding a bilateral relationship for programs and services to Treaty 8 are intended to be set up as a tripartite process, that with the expectation in the end, if everyone is satisfied with the talks and the negotiations that Treaty 8, probably on the establishment of reserves, can take over programs and services and have a bilateral relationship directly with the federal government. As to whether we can realize that or not is the prerogative of the federal government.

We're supporting the initiation of those talks and have given that strong indication to Treaty 8 and the federal government. Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Lewis .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 723

Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Since our government is committed to working with this process -- and it's to be commended for doing that -- I would like to ask the Minister, in these areas where there may be other arrangements, will this have any impact on the

community transfer initiative that this government is engaged in to give powers to communities even while this other process is going on?

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 724

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Intergovernmental and Aboriginal Affairs , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Madam Speaker, the Minister had indicated that he doesn't want to talk about jurisdiction and authority, at this time. He wants to get on with the administration. What it appears to mean is that he wants to get into the practical measures of communities, and in this case bands, to take on the day-to-day task of administering and running the programs and services. In his view, that is what is going to make a day-to-day difference in the lives of people, and not signing agreements that recognize theoretical terms like self-government and sovereignty and those types of things. That appears to be what he is saying.

In that regard, we have indicated to Treaty 8 a number of times that if they wish to talk community transfer initiative, we're prepared to talk. We know that in the case of at least one community, Lutsel K'e, it is very possible for us to get on with the administrative set-up of transfers, because Lutsel K'e is almost 90 per cent treaty Dene. It's the notion of trying to make it bilateral that would make community transfers not realistic for the Treaty 8 groups. They are not interested in doing administrative set-ups at this time, but they want to establish that programs and services will flow between the federal government and the First Nations.

So the community transfer initiative, as it is now, is not in the interest of Treaty 8 to engage in. Regardless of that, we're prepared to help them with getting on with negotiations with the federal government. We don't expect that we will be funding any of these initiatives since it is bilateral and Treaty 8 has shown very little interest, other than getting us to help by coordinating and supporting their initiatives of asking for funds. We see it as largely a bilateral process. Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 724

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Lewis .

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Question 332-12(5): Federal Government Assistance With Western Constitutional Development

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 724

Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Since the funds for programs for the residents of the Northwest Territories sit within the budget of the Government of the Northwest Territories, what would be the process to ensure that those funds, when the arrangements are made, could be handled on a bilateral basis since we already handle those funds?

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Intergovernmental and Aboriginal Affairs , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Madam Speaker, the federal government, as I understand it, is bound by a policy to deliver all programs and services in the Northwest Territories through the Government of the Northwest Territories. I understand that to be a policy of the federal government. One of the obstacles is how do we negotiate with that obstacle, which is why I say I think it's largely the federal government's responsibility to try to figure out how they can respond to Treaty 8. They can say yes or they can say no.

If they say yes, they have to be prepared to set up a bilateral relationship that bypasses and leaves out the GNWT for programs and services. That might mean a change in Cabinet policy. They have to decide whether they're prepared to provide that in the absence of reserves or other land-based

definitions.

There are a number of things that the federal government has to respond to. Our view is that, politically, it is the right way to go. If First Nations want to take over their own programs and services, if it can work to their advantage, if their membership supports them in it and there is actually improvement in prospects for the delivery of programs and services, we will support it 100 per cent. Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 724

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Aivilik , Mr. Arvaluk .

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Question 333-12(5): Agreement Between Makivik Corporation And Hydro Quebec

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 724

James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Aboriginal Affairs or perhaps Renewable Resources, they are responsible for environmental matters. I guess it is very handy it is the same Minister. Madam Speaker, I want to know if the Minister has heard about this deal between the Makivik Corporation and Hydro Quebec?

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister responsible for Intergovernmental and Aboriginal Affairs , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Madam Speaker, I only know of it through the media and a brief report I received from the staff. We don't have the actual agreement that is being talked about at this time. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Arvaluk .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Will he be tabling the hard material or anything like that, so that all Members can have information about this deal?

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 724

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Madam Speaker, we will try to acquire whatever documents and information there is available,

circulate it amongst Members as early as possible, and arrange for a tabling, if that's the request of the Member. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Arvaluk .

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I also have a newspaper clipping. I had hoped the Minister would have a little bit more detail and information than I have. However, my question concerns the

preamble by my colleague, Mr. Pudluk , in his question to the Leader, is the Minister prepared to do something to protect the interests of the residents of Sanikiluaq and the Hudson Bay communities?

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Mr. Arvaluk , Madam Premier took the particular question as notice, the one your friend Mr. Pudlat had posed. I regard your question as similar to the one he posed. Would you like to attempt to rephrase your question?

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The basic tenet of this agreement between Makivik Corporation and Hydro Quebec, according to the paper, is Makivik Corporation has agreed not to impede the completion of the Great Whale River Hydro Project in any way, shape or form. When the project has finally reached the environmental review hearing stage, is the Minister prepared to take

part in these hearings and represent the interest of the people of Sanikiluaq and the Hudson Bay communities?

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Madam Speaker, the Quebec government has historically taken the view that they are pro development and pro aboriginal in the sense that they have made deals before with northern Cree and northern Quebec Inuit, which has resulted in the settlement of their claims some years ago. This is another phase of hydro development that they have been engaged in. They make no bones about the fact that they want to make the Inuit and the Cree, if possible, partners and supporters of the project. In that sense, the compensation package that was announced and trumpeted in the media can be seen as a deal to go partners.

As partners, I suppose in any environmental hearings, you expect your partner not to be so critical of your plans. The businessman would say that is a good way to proceed because everyone is happy. An environmentalist would say it is compromising your responsibility to take care of land and resources and undermines the credibility you have as a member of the panel reviewing the environmental impact of that project.

Those are valid points and observations to be made. These are just thoughts I have, resulting from the media focus and the brief comments I've received from the staff today. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Amittuq , Mr. Allooloo .

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister of the Environment a question. My colleague was saying that there seems to be a cash deal between Hydro Quebec and the Inuit of Makivik of northern Quebec. According to press reports, this was a $500 million deal over a 50 year period. The first year, Makivik would receive about $30 million.

If, at some point during the environmental review process, it appears that all the questions are not answered -- the answers that people of Sanikiluaq and the Keewatin people are seeking, about whether there is going to be environmental damage because of the Hydro Quebec project -- is the government willing to take legal action if it seems Hydro Quebec will proceed with the project? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Mr. Allooloo , I have some problems with the question you are posing. It appears to be somewhat hypothetical and that is not allowed under our rules. I would like to ask if you could rephrase your question? The honourable Member for Amittuq , Mr. Allooloo .

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Question 334-12(5): Government's Willingness To Take Legal Action Against Hydro Quebec

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 725

Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to ask the Member of the Environment, if the Hydro Quebec project is going to proceed without answering all the concerns of the residents of Sanikiluaq, is the government willing to represent the people of the Northwest Territories and take legal action? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Renewable Resources , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Question 334-12(5): Government's Willingness To Take Legal Action Against Hydro Quebec

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 725

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Madam Speaker, I go on the assumption that the environmental hearings, set up by the federal government and the Quebec government, will go ahead. That the Inuit will participate. That the panel will be charged with doing a fair and objective assessment of it. We will see and fight for the community of Sanikiluaq to get maximum participation in it, to work as hard as we can to ensure that they are happy, or as happy as we can make them, in seeing the hearings take place. That is about as much as I can do. I go on those assumptions. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Allooloo .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 725

Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The Cree residents of the James Bay area have great misgivings about this project and do not appear to be even contemplating entering into an agreement with Hydro Quebec. Would this government consider entering into a joint defence agreement with the Cree to stop the project if it was thought to be environmentally dangerous? Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 726

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Minister of Renewable Resources , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Madam Speaker, I have trouble with the "if" so I would say that we will be monitoring the environmental review and watching how the project and the review takes place. We will certainly be aware of all our options in the event that things don't go exactly the way we would want them to go. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. The chair also had trouble with the "ifs." I would like to caution Members that questions posed to the government are questions with regard to knowledge within their responsibility. Questions should not be in any way on a hypothetical basis. Therefore, I would like to caution Members in formulating their questions posed to the government. The honourable Member for Amittuq , supplementary.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 726

Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Thank you for that advice. As all Members know, it is in the knowledge, I believe, of the Minister that the Cree residents of the Hudson Bay have always opposed the James Bay project because they know that their hunting grounds and their traditional grounds would be flooded. They have been opposing this project very vigorously. I wonder if the government would consider joining their forces to defend the people of the Northwest Territories, especially Sanikiluaq and Hudson Bay communities. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Renewable Resources , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Madam Speaker, we will consider the suggestion made by the Member.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife North , Mr. Ballantyne .

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Question 335-12(5): Canadian Centre For Justice Reports On Violence Against Women

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 726

Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Justice . Last week, the Canadian Centre for Justice issued three reports concerning violence against women. One report compared sexual assaults across the country. Quebec was the lowest with 64 per 100,000. Newfoundland was the highest province at 229 per 100,000. The Northwest Territories was a shocking 895 per 100,000. I think we recognize that the statistical base may have some effect on those statistics. Reporting success in provinces might have some effect. But, my first question to the Minister, has the Minister had an opportunity to see these reports?

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Justice , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

No, Madam Speaker, I haven't gone through these reports, but I do know that they are out. I have seen a brief

summary that outlines the main points much the same way that the Member just laid out. The statistics for the Northwest Territories are ones that always jump out at everybody. It simply reinforces what has been said by women and the organizations representing women, for many years, that there is a tremendous amount of violence in the north against women. It is just starting to be reported in recent times. My view is that it's not all reported yet. That the incidence will continue to climb.

It does not mean that the violence down south is less than in the north, it may only mean that it's suppressed just as much, maybe more, than it is in the north. The statistics do jump out at us. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Ballantyne .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Supplementary to the Minister. Would the Minister make these reports available to Members, and with those reports a commentary by the department explaining some of those statistics and putting them in some context? Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Justice , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Yes, Madam Speaker, I think that's a good suggestion to make. The staff ordinarily do that for me since I don't take the time to read these volumes of documents that come across. I ask for brief summaries and highlights of the interesting points that I should look at, and that easily guides my interest and sometimes I do actually open the big books to look at particular sections. I will have that done for the Members, and perhaps provide them with copies of the big books as well. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ballantyne .

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Supplementary, Madam Speaker. I thank the Minister for that. I think this report and other reports really highlight the seriousness of the problem here in the Northwest Territories. All Members supported the Minister and the government's initiative on zero tolerance for violence in the territories. What I would like to know is, what is the Minister's next step? We have a number of initiatives happening in the bureaucracy, but this is going to take some very strong

leadership at the political level. What does the Minister see now as the most important thing that the Minister can do to deal with this?

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Justice , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Madam Speaker, one of the first things we have done is sit down with the representatives of the women's groups. We have asked for them to advise us on what would be the approach to take from here. That is, there is a commitment to involve from the start the representatives from the women's organizations, like the Status of Women, Pauktuutit and the Native Women's Association to tell us as a government how we should proceed.

For instance, on the money we use now to deal with violence in the Department of Justice, in Social Services and Health, to advise us whether we have our priorities straight, where we should be focusing, on the type of approach we should take to selling and promoting this policy of zero tolerance. For instance, in our relationship with municipalities, with the aboriginal organizations, with the regional groups, the hunters' and trappers' organizations and the many organizations that we fund and do business with in the north today.

That is what has been worked on for the last couple of weeks, following the adoption by this House on the policy of zero tolerance. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Ballantyne .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

My final supplementary, Madam Speaker. I appreciate that consultation is going on. The Minister is aware that there are countless reports and studies that have been done. I think that we have reached the point where we have to come up with a very concrete plan. The question I will pose to the Minister is, before this House rises, can we expect a comprehensive statement from the Minister as to a specific approach that the Minister and the government will follow to follow up on the zero tolerance policy, with potential budgets attached? Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Justice , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Madam Speaker, I would like to be able to answer in the affirmative to the Member, but there are only two to three weeks left in the session. I am not certain I will be able to meet it. But, I do know that I would like to be able to have a document that will show a commitment by this government in cooperation with the women's groups.

A commitment in terms of policy and in terms of existing dollars, at least how we can make better use of the resources we are presently allocating to combat violence and the many root causes that it results from, and the kind of initiatives and approaches this government can take in promoting that policy. I would like to be able to do that, and that is the objective we have. I am not certain I can provide it in the next three weeks.

But if it is after the session, perhaps before the end of the session I can advise Members of when I can expect to have some sort of a definitive document that can be shared with MLAs as they are out in their constituencies. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Iqaluit , Mr. Patterson .

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Question 336-12(5): Privatization Of Yukon Power Corporation As Example To GNWT

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 727

Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is for the Minister responsible for the NWT Power Corporation, the Premier . Madam Speaker, the Government of Yukon acquired the Yukon assets of the Northern Canada Power Commission at about the same time as the GNWT purchased the NWT assets of NCPC. The Union of Northern Workers has recently asserted that the sale of, I believe it is called the Yukon Electrical Corporation, to private interests in Yukon provides an example of how power subsidies will disappear if NWT Power is privatized.

Although I have taken note of the UNW views, I would like to ask the Minister for the NWT Power Corporation, in her view, what lessons does the Yukon experience have for us in the Northwest Territories? Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Madam Premier .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, often times, when one goes before the other, the types of mistakes that are made or the decisions that are made are not to the benefit of any given decision, and these learning experiences are good for everybody. It is difficult for me to answer because I have read a lot of articles that have been put out by others than the Power Corporation itself. My plan is to present, to this House, a comprehensive paper on many of those elements such as the questions that were raised earlier by the honourable Member for Kitikmeot .

First of all, there is a misunderstanding that the Yukon Power Corporation has been privatized. It has not been privatized. What has been done is to move the power corporation under the Yukon Energy Corporation which is all owned by the Yukon government. Yukon Energy then, which is owned by the Yukon government, owns the assets of the corporation, but their present arrangement is that they are contracted out to the Yukon Electrical Company, which is a company that is owned by Alberta Power. So the Yukon Energy Corporation, their power corporation, has contracted out the management of the electrical company or the power corporation to Alberta Power. So this is a present arrangement.

At the time of the transfer, the employees retained their salaries and their seniority, and the employees' pensions were transferred to a new private pension plan. The new pension plan was approved by the federal Treasury Board, and no funds were permitted to be transferred until the Treasury Board was satisfied that the new pension plan was, at least, equivalent to the public service superannuation plan. This has covered all the employees prior to transfer.

Like I said, the Yukon Energy Corporation really is a subsidiary company of the Yukon Development Corporation. I guess one of the things done when they put the power corporation under the Yukon Energy Corporation was that about $15 million to $20 million that the power corporation had made went into other economic development initiatives, such as, I think, the Watson Lake sawmill. So they were able to move the profits from the power corporation into other economic development opportunities.

But the dollars that were used, plus the profits in excess of the loan payments made to pay off the YTG debt for the purchase of the assets, are annual dividends required to pay the power subsidy program. So they are doing a number of things, and they can move that around because it is under an energy corporation, unlike the Power Corporation, not being housed under any other development corporation.

So I guess one of the things that we would have to learn from that is whether we would want to move in that direction or not, or deal with exactly what is going to be done with the sale of the corporation, if it should happen, at that time. But I think there are a lot of questions that get raised out of this type of arrangement about whether it is good for us or not. I would hope that all the questions that have been raised in the general public and in the experiences of the Yukon would take into account where we take our next step. Thank you.

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Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Patterson .

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I appreciate that detailed information about precisely what happened in Yukon. I guess I would like to ask the Minister, and I think the public needs to know what is being proposed by the Government of the Northwest Territories and the NWT Power Corporation. As I understand it, in Yukon, the government retained ownership of the power corporation through a holding company, the Yukon Energy Corporation, but it basically subcontracted the management of the electrical company to a private concern, and this, I think, has been described as privatization by the UNW.

I would like to ask the Minister for the Power Corporation , if this model, where you would subcontract the management to a private company, is what is being proposed for the NWT Power Corporation? Thank you.

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Thank you. Madam Premier .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, I believe that is one detail that really hasn't been taken into consideration or even really been discussed that much. At this point in time, according to the Abbott report, the Power Corporation is to stay intact. It already has all its employees who are situated in various communities.

In the Yukon, because Alberta Power is a very large institution -- I would say it is so large, you can call it an institution -- they really didn't have any need to build up some of the higher technical engineering capabilities that we have in Hay River. They would just import them from their more senior companies. Any area of expertise would just be drawn from a very large firm and brought into the Yukon.

At this point in time, we have the people who we require for planning. It is maybe not a large component, but for the day to day operations. What should be understood as well, is that in the Yukon, it is mainly a hydro energy corporation. There are very few communities on diesel. They have an ability, in a better way than we do, to have lower-cost power generation.

I know from discussions that Yukon Energy has to a certain degree, like the Northwest Territories Power Corporation, improved the level of service since the transfer. They have also invested quite a significant amount of dollars to improve the plants and also to install some new upgraded equipment. But, unlike the Northwest Territories Power Corporation -- and this relates to how a company operates -- the investment and new capital plan has been difficult for them because the cash flow and working capital has been depleted by using funds for other purposes.

At this point in time, it's not anticipated that the employees or the work would be sub-contracted and neither, at this time, with the Abbot Report, would there be the flexibility to use the Power Corporation's profits within an energy corporation for purposes other than power generation. Thank you.

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Do I understand, Madam Speaker, that if the Yukon Power Corporation got into trouble, it was because the government had basically raided the profits from the corporation to put into ill-advised economic projects? Does that describe the situation in the Yukon? Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Mr. Patterson , I would ask you to rephrase your question. Your question is based on a hypothetical situation, as you said, "if the Yukon Power Corporation got into trouble." Can you somehow rephrase your question, stating that whether it got into trouble, or whether it did not get into trouble? The honourable Member for Iqaluit , Mr. Patterson .

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My understanding is that the Yukon electrical corporation, which inherited the assets of NCPC did get into financial difficulties. I understand from the Minister that money was taken from the profits of that corporation and put into various economic development ventures, such as a controversial sawmill in Watson Lake. Is that description of the situation, where profits were basically taken and used in ill-advised ways, describe what happened in the Yukon? Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, I don't have the intelligence of the situation to determine whether their investments were ill-advised or not. I know that there was $15 to $20 million taken out of the corporation to redirect to other economic developments other than energy development. Some of these investments have not worked out. But the Yukon government made a conscious decision to put the Power Corporation under the umbrella of the Yukon Development Corporation which gave them the flexibility to make decisions about what to do with dollars that were available from the Power Corporation, if there were any available.

That was their decision. I believe that some of the issues surrounding that have been considered negative, and perhaps taking away from the proper development of energy resources in the Yukon Territory. I think that these events can only lead us to make better decisions about where we go from here. We can learn from mistakes and profit from good decisions. The issue is somewhat like what the honourable Member is outlining. There have been concerns about how they pay their dividends and the power subsidy program, which is somewhat less than ours, because they are somewhat short of cash.

These are all areas I think we can learn from. We haven't made those decisions or decided to go in that direction, but I think whatever we do, we should do things for the benefit of Northwest Territories residents. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Kitikmeot , Mr. Ng .

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Question 337-12(5): Policies Of Nwtpc To Support Northern Businesses

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 729

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is again for the Minister responsible for the NWT Power Corporation. Our government has policies which encourage their staff and businesses doing work on behalf of the government to use local business resources, such as taxis, hotels, and those kinds of businesses. I would like to ask the Minister if the NWT Power Corporation has similar policies for their staff and contractors engaged in work on behalf of the corporation, to use these same services in the communities? Thank you.

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, to my knowledge, as much as possible, the use of local businesses and services has been the policy of the Power Corporation. I know of a lot of instances where the type of work they do is difficult for NWT residents or residents to take advantage of, because of the particular area of expertise that is required. However, to my knowledge, staff and workers of the company are dedicated to, as much as possible, support the basic principles of the NWT government in using northern businesses and operators. Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister if she could give an example of some of the policies that the Power Corporation currently has to support local enterprises. Thank you.

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, I would be pleased circulate a series of those policies. Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you. I would like to ask also, then, if she could provide some information regarding how these policies are monitored or enforced, to ensure that benefits are being derived by the communities. Thank you.

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, I will be more than pleased to do that. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Aivilik , Mr. Arvaluk .

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Question 338-12(5): Invitation To Minister To Keewatin Youth Conference

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 729

James Arvaluk

Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Madam Speaker. I have a question for the Minister responsible for Social Services with regard to the conference in the Keewatin. Has the Minister been asked to attend that meeting? Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Social Services , Ms. Mike .

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

(Translation) Thank you, Madam Speaker. I have not received any correspondence to invite me to attend that meeting in the Keewatin. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Amittuq , Mr. Allooloo .

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Question 339-12(5): Discussions With Federal Minister Re Contract Awarded To Southern-based Company

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 730

Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I am aware that the Honourable Ron Irwin was in Yellowknife this weekend, and held a number of meetings with our Ministers. My question is to the Premier , Madam Speaker. It relates to the recent awarding of the core camp contract by the federal government to the southern-based company, Laval Fortin, rather than to Avati. Did the Premier and her Ministers have a chance to discuss this matter with the Minister and, if so, what was the outcome? Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Mr. Allooloo , you asked two questions in one, but I'm sure the Premier will only answer one at a time. Madam Premier .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, no, there was not a meeting to discuss that particular subject. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to ask if the government is going to approach the federal government on this particular issue. Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, I believe that the Minister of Economic Development has already made a commitment to move that ahead and have a discussion on that particular subject. So, the short answer is yes. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife South , Mr. Whitford .

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Question 340-12(5): Policy For Sole Source Contracts

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 730

Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I have a question I would like to direct to the Minister responsible for the Department of Justice. It's a question I asked on Friday, but in reviewing Hansard, to my surprise, the Minister didn't answer the question and I would just like to get an answer from him. He didn't take it as notice either, so I will re-ask the question. Would the Minister be able to tell th