Debates of Feb. 15th, 2012

This is page numbers 437 - 458 of the Hansard for the 17th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was need .

Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

Minister’s Statement 18-17(2): Education Week

Minister’s Statement 19-17(2): Support For Small Business

Minister’s Statement 20-17(2): Report On Northwest Territories Power Corporation General Rate Application

Hay River Seniors’ Society

Replacement Of Fort Simpson Health Centre

Aboriginal Languages Revitalization Project

Climate Change And Carbon Emissions Policies

Inuvik To Tuktoyaktuk Highway Project

Closure Of The Joe Greenland Centre In Aklavik

Supplementary Health Benefits Program

Need For Post-Secondary Education Facility In The Sahtu

Acknowledging The Work Of Aviation And Tourism Pioneer Merlyn Carter

Appointment Of Mr. Joachim Bonnetrouge As Chair Of Deh Cho Land Use Committee

Effects From The Use Of Road Salt

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Climate Change And Carbon Emissions Policies

Funding For Community Seniors’ Societies

Training And Education Needs In The Sahtu

Aboriginal Languages Revitalization Plan

Environmental Impact Of The Use Of Road Salt

Long-Term Care Needs Of Mackenzie Delta Elders

Risk Matrix For Large Infrastructure Projects

Status Of Suggested Changes To Supplementary Health Benefits

Costs Associated With Power Disruption Caused By Military Exercises

Effectiveness Of Potash On Icy Roads

Income Support Policy On Household Income

Minimum Wage Increases

Road Safety Concerns Related To Road Salt Usage

Old Age Security

Aboriginal Languages Secretariat

Bill 3: Supplementary Appropriation Act (Operations Expenditures), No. 3, 2011-2012

Bill 4: Supplementary Appropriation Act (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 3, 2011-2012

Bill 2: Interim Appropriation Act (Operations Expenditures), 2012-2013

Improving Alcohol And Drug Treatment Programs

Bill 2: Interim Appropriation Act (Operations Expenditures), 2012-2013

Orders of the Day

The House met at 1:35 p.m.

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Prayer

Prayer

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Good afternoon, colleagues. Members, before we begin today, I’d like to draw your attention to the Canadian flags on your desks. February 15th has

been declared National Flag Day of Canada.

It was on this day in 1965 that a flag with the first red and white maple leaf design flew proudly over Parliament Hill.

Our flag, with its distinctive maple leaf, is recognized all over the world as the flag of a people who cherish the ideals of democracy, freedom and respect.

I know we don’t see any maple trees in this part of the Canada, but we proudly fly our Canadian flag all across the Northwest Territories as a symbol of our unity with all Canadians.

Please join me, colleagues, in celebrating our flag and the great country we live in. Thank you.

---Applause

Item 2, Ministers’ statements. The honourable Minister of Education , Mr. Lafferty .

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Minister’s Statement 18-17(2): Education Week

Ministers’ Statements

Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mr. Speaker, February 20th to 24th marks Education Week. We

are celebrating the academic achievements of students across the Northwest Territories and recognizing educators who support and strengthen our education system.

This year we are recognizing Dr. Curtis Brown and Mr. Allan Karasiuk from the South Slave region. Last fall Dr. Brown received the Canadian Association of School Administrators Award for the best school superintendent in Canada. As well, Mr. Karasiuk received one of forty 2012 awards for Canada’s Outstanding Principal from The Learning

Centre. They are tremendous educators and we congratulate them both.

The Department of Education, Culture and Employment is committed to providing a strong foundation for learning at all levels. There are numerous initiatives focusing on learners at different levels and providing them with the supports and tools they need to succeed. These include the Aboriginal Student Achievement Initiative, endorsed by Aboriginal leaders and all education board chairs through the Education Partnership Declaration; the Early Childhood Development Framework review and renewal; and the Literacy Strategy.

Mr. Speaker, the school doors do not regulate the education of a child. Learning does not start, nor stop, when students walk into or out of a school. Learning is a lifelong journey that includes the family and the community. With us all working together, our students will receive a full education. I look forward to working with Members of the House to support the education goals of all students in the NWT. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister’s Statement 18-17(2): Education Week

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Ramsay .

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Minister’s Statement 19-17(2): Support For Small Business

Ministers’ Statements

Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment

Mr. Speaker, entrepreneurs and small business owners are a crucial part of the Northwest Territories’ economy. They are essential to creating an economic environment that is strong and diversified, providing each region with opportunities and choices.

The last few years have been challenging for business and investment in the Northwest Territories. The downturn in the global economy also affected this territory, and it is more important than ever to do what we can to help the NWT economy grow and develop. Today I would like to highlight recent work this government is doing to assist small businesses and improve the NWT business climate.

The Department of Industry, Tourism and Investment works in partnership with entrepreneurs, small business owners and local community organizations to promote and support economic prosperity in the NWT.

In 2010-11, ITI’s Support for Entrepreneurs and Economic Development Policy – referred to as the SEED Policy – contributed over $3.6 million to entrepreneurs, small business owners and local community organizations in the NWT. This year nearly $300,000 in additional funding is available to support entrepreneurs and small businesses.

This policy is focused on increasing business activity and employment, particularly in the smaller communities. Since its inception in 2008, the SEED Policy has been extremely popular with NWT entrepreneurs and small businesses.

ITI has also expanded its commitment to different economic sectors. We realize there is no one-size-fits-all approach when it comes to business support. NWT entrepreneurs are a varied group. We have responded by actively engaging with the film industry to find the best ways to provide support, reviving the Prospectors Grubstake Program, and increasing funding for residents engaged in the traditional economy, and arts and crafts. As well, we will continue to eliminate red tape whenever possible to provide better services to our clients.

A goal of this Assembly is reducing poverty in the NWT. A key element in reaching this goal is ensuring support has a significant community-based component. To that end, ITI remains committed to the Community Transfer Initiative and the Community Futures Program. The Community Transfer Initiative places resources directly into the communities through a locally-based economic development officer.

Through the Community Futures Program, support is directed to the community level, where the Community Futures development corporations are operated and managed. Year after year we continue to be impressed with the results of these programs and the economic development they encourage directly in the community.

I am also pleased to announce the launch of the newly-designed investment website, InvestNWT.ca. Developed in partnership with the NWT Chamber of Commerce, the NWT Construction Association, the NWT and Nunavut Chamber of Mines, and the Conseil de développement économique des Territoires du Nord-Ouest, CDETNO, the site highlights the economic potential of the territory and contains a wealth of information for potential investors. ITI is working closely with CDETNO on the French version of the website and we hope to launch that in the spring.

Finally, I would like to highlight that the United Nations has declared 2012 as the International Year of Co-operatives. The International Year ofCo-operativesis intended to raise public awareness of the invaluable contributions of co-operative enterprises to poverty reduction, employment generation and social integration. The year will also highlight the strengths of the co-operative business

model as an alternative means of doing business and furthering socio-economic development.

Co-operatives represent a tremendous source of economic activity here in the North and their dedication to community is both appreciated and applauded. Thank you.

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Minister’s Statement 19-17(2): Support For Small Business

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Colleagues, before we go on today, I’d like to welcome Mr. Anthony “Tony” Whitford to the House; former Speaker, Minister, Member and Sergeant-at-Arms and recent recipient of the Queen’s Diamond Jubilee Medal. Welcome back to the House, Tony.

---Applause

The honourable Minister responsible for the Power Corporation , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Minister’s Statement 20-17(2): Report On Northwest Territories Power Corporation General Rate Application

Ministers’ Statements

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, high electricity costs are a fact of life in the North and are a significant component of the cost of living for the people of the Northwest Territories. External factors like global energy prices, our remote location and lack of economies of scale all contribute to high costs in our communities. Some costs of producing and distributing electricity in the NWT can be controlled, however, and the Government of the Northwest Territories remains committed to managing these in order to keep costs for our residents as low as possible.

Last December I updated Members of the Legislative Assembly on the work the Northwest Territories Power Corporation has been doing to make sure its structure and operations support the government’s efforts to contain electricity costs, including:

• a flatter corporate structure meant to keep

NTPC more effective and efficient in the long run;

• eliminating nine positions in the organization,

three of which were senior management positions, including the chief operating officer;

• bringing the bonus pay system into alignment

with the GNWT’s bonus system;

• creating apprenticeships that will give NWT

residents the opportunity to be trained in skilled jobs that contribute to life in the North;

• implementing significant cost reduction initiatives to offset rising inflation and increased diesel costs over the past five years; and

• a strategic plan aimed at excellence in three

areas customers look to most: reliable service, price and keeping our commitments.

Other steps the government of the NWT has taken include new rate zones that spread the costs of generating and distributing electricity across more people, so no community is stuck with unfairly high electricity rates. We also made changes to the Territorial Power Subsidy Program – at some cost to the GNWT – to provide residential customers with more relief from the high costs of electricity while still encouraging them to conserve.

Even with these measures, the GNWT cannot prevent global energy trends and inflation from affecting the costs NTPC must incur to provide service to its customers. Costs continue to rise beyond the Power Corporation’s control and the rates it charges consumers are no longer enough to make up the difference. Very soon the Power Corporation will have to go forward with a general rate application seeking approval for new electricity rates.

A general rate application is an important part of the process for regulating public utilities. Through the GRA, the Power Corporation will explain to the Public Utilities Board why it needs to charge new, higher rates. Based on the information presented to it, and input from the public, the board will make a decision on whether or not new rates are justified. It has been five years since NTPC’s last GRA.

The GNWT is currently undertaking a due diligence review of the Power Corporation’s general rate application. We want to make sure we get our homework done and that only those costs that absolutely have to be passed on to the customer are included in the GRA. The review is examining cost pressures on NTPC, opportunities for operational efficiencies, and looking at how costs have risen for other electricity companies in the last five years.

The review will also consider strategies for mitigating rate increases, including the option of financial support from the GNWT to cover some of the shortfall between costs and revenues. Any financial support from the GNWT will have to be considered in terms of its impact on other programs and services in communities. Given the current fiscal situation, it is not likely that we will be able to cover the shortfall entirely, but we are committed to doing what we can to keep electricity rate increases as manageable as possible for our residents.

A final report from the consultants conducting the review is expected by the end of February. NTPC is expected to file its rate application in early March and the first rate adjustments may start as early as this April.

I will be providing regular reports to Members of this Assembly on the progress of NTPC’s general rate application and the government’s ongoing efforts to minimize the impact on NWT residents. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Item 3, Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Hay River Seniors’ Society

Members’ Statements

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to talk about the Hay River Seniors’ Society. This is a very vibrant and fun-loving group of seniors in Hay River, an association of which I am proud to say I’m a member.

I have a recent newsletter and I’m just going to use it to highlight the very busy

schedule seniors keep in Hay River. They do get together often and have a very good time. They have coffee at their facility five times a week. They’re having a crib tournament in February. They’re having a fun bingo with a Valentines theme. They’ve produced calendars and cookbooks which are almost sold out. They have decided this year to again undertake the management of the Hay River Tourist Booth. That’s something that they did last summer. They set up a

schedule so that when people came to Hay River and came to our Tourist Information Booth, they were greeted by seniors. They’re going to be involved in helping out with the fishing derby. They have dinners. They have their annual general meeting coming up. They’re involved in territory-wide work of abuse of older adults. They also have in their newsletter a little plug for our Seniors Parliament that they will be looking at sending a representative up for Hay River North and Hay River South.

Some stated priorities of this government are strong individuals, families and communities; sustainable, vibrant, safe communities. I want to suggest that the seniors of our communities are a very big part of that vibrant community and I am sorry to say that there is no direct funding for seniors’ societies that is provided by this government. Yellowknife is fortunate enough to have a large enough group that they can actually fundraise to hire a full-time staff person, but in a community the size of Hay River, even though there is a fairly good membership, everything is done on a voluntary basis.

It would enhance their efforts and some of the activities they would like to participate in greatly if even there were a small amount of money designated through a budget of this government for support for some of those activities. I think we could count on them to put the money to very, very good use.

I know that there is project-specific money for the NWT Seniors Helpline, for example, and there is project-specific money related to other activities and workshops that the seniors have, but I think there should be money for communities that don’t have a seniors’ society and those who do, because

I think it’s extremely important for seniors to get together.

Later today I’ll have questions for the Minister of Health and Social Services on why we don’t have that.

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Hay River Seniors’ Society

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Replacement Of Fort Simpson Health Centre

Members’ Statements

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Today I want to speak about a project that is very important to the residents of Nahendeh, which is a replacement of the Fort Simpson Health Centre.

This item has been bumped from the capital item for another year. I just want to make note of that. I understand that it is tentatively on the books for planning in 2013-2014 with construction beginning in 2014-2015. I want to make sure to keep to that schedule.

There has been a patchwork of renovations and retrofits that have kept it running over the years but these are band-aid solutions, and expensive ones at that. The facility is nearing the end of its useful life and now it needs to be replaced.

There’s an essential piece of infrastructure not only for the village of Fort Simpson but for the entire Nahendeh region. The current health centre has a laboratory, X-ray, sterilization equipment, OBS, pharmacy room, two emergency rooms and five clinic rooms. In planning for the new centre, it is critical that we include all these same components so that the level of service is not downgraded in any way.

A few months from now we will be starting the process of reviewing the 2012-2013 Capital Estimates and I want to assure my constituents that I’ll be fighting to ensure that the planning dollars for this new Fort Simpson Health Centre are included in that budget so that construction can go ahead in the following year.

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Replacement Of Fort Simpson Health Centre

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .

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Aboriginal Languages Revitalization Project

Members’ Statements

Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Yesterday we had a Minister’s statement regarding Aboriginal languages and revitalization into our Aboriginal languages across the Northwest Territories. I wanted to briefly touch on that today. It really sparked my interest, and being someone who

doesn’t speak their language, it’s something that I want to see brought forward over the next four years so that by the end of four years I’ll be able to stand here and do a Member’s statement in Gwich’in, and that some of our colleagues can do the same thing.

Aboriginal languages are the foundation of northern cultures. They define Aboriginal peoples, they describe northern values and beliefs, and they provide the framework through which northern people express their views and their visions. This was an opening address made by the Honourable Jackson Lafferty , Minister of ECE , in a report that was brought out in 2010. He also goes on to state that if nothing is done, we will lose our Aboriginal languages.

As stated, I would like to see that this government moves forward into some of the work that the Minister is doing, along with Members on this side, so that these languages can be revitalized. In a briefing that was done earlier in this government, we noticed that languages across the Northwest Territories – it’s not just the Gwich’in language, not the Inuvialuktun language – all languages are declining and that needs to be addressed and fixed, as I mentioned.

Not only languages. We’re speaking about culture here. We’re talking about dance. We’re talking about music. We’re talking about all things that are associated with culture that can bring our people stronger so that they’re proud to be Northerners, proud of their cultures. That’s something that I want to see brought forth within the next four years and get stronger each and every year as we move forward.

Later today I will be having some questions for the Minister of ECE in regard to his Minister’s statement yesterday, and how we can move forward on this and start addressing some of the priorities in terms of the languages that have really declined and are in an emergency situation. Mahsi.

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Aboriginal Languages Revitalization Project

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Climate Change And Carbon Emissions Policies

Members’ Statements

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. During the last session while debating how best to act on climate change, discussion was sidetracked as a focus on rules obscured the meat of the debate. Nevertheless, recognition of the need for real action shone through. Public responses sent to Ministers, colleagues and myself showed overwhelming public support for GNWT leadership on a more responsible position to fight climate change.

Here are some sample quotes: “We’re in denial about what every major academy of science is telling us.” “The imbalance has wreaked havoc on

the environment.” “Our behaviour is folly of the worst type.” “This government ignores the pleas of impacted communities and risks the future of my generation.” Just a few quotes, Mr. Speaker.

Comments restated a main point: that when our descendants judge us on the preservation of the planet and their future, our policies will be seen as irresponsible, inadequate and blind. I grant that to be on the leading edge is demanding, but by subscribing to scientifically sustainable policies, in contrast to carbon intensive development, progressive jurisdictions and businesses position themselves to compete effectively in the non-petroleum-dependent economies being forced upon us.

So back to the point. Clearly recognizing the science as our government does, a policy target of 100 percent increase in our carbon emissions by 2020 from such much earlier level is highly irresponsible and unacceptable, and our public agrees.

So what are some suggestions to help this government correct this? First, let’s put in place a policy that reflects the science and aim for a 40 percent reduction in NWT carbon outputs by 2020, with a firm program of proven policies and laws that fully mitigate any large projects proposed. In place of the current void, the GNWT would commit itself to becoming carbon neutral in our and our wholly-owned corporations’ operations by 2020.

These can be achieved by driving our expansion of renewables through informed policy, support of communities in development of alternative energy systems and early adoption of smart grid technology, and perhaps some purchase of carbon offsets. Besides terrifically enhancing local and territorial economic development, such action will substantially reduce cost of living in our communities.

We must be leaders in averting the environmental suicide current policies condemn our descendants to enduring. Let’s get it done. Mahsi.

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Climate Change And Carbon Emissions Policies

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Member for Range Lake , Mr. Dolynny .

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Inuvik To Tuktoyaktuk Highway Project

Members’ Statements

Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I sat yesterday eating my cold Valentine’s Day supper shortly after a long and grueling debate on approving appropriations for this government to commence its due diligence on the Inuvik-Tuk highway, and it hit me: the Gravina Island Bridge. What does that have to do with the Inuvik-Tuk highway, you may ask. Let me tell you.

The Gravina Island Bridge controversy started in 2006 during the campaigning of Alaskan governor

hopeful, Ms. Sarah Palin. Coined as the bridge to nowhere, this behemoth project clocked at over $398 million was a proposed bridge to replace the ferry service between the town of Ketchikan, Alaska, and Gravina Island. In the end, the bridge project was cancelled, yet the elected Palin administration forged forward, with federal money that couldn’t be returned, to build a highway system which would have connected this proposed bridge.

Interestingly, this is where our similarity lies. This dead-end piece of constructed road was later coined the Road to Nowhere. History has a way of teaching us lessons in life, and although I strongly support the concept of connecting our Tuk neighbours to the rest of Canada, creating jobs, creating infrastructure capacity and much needed hope for the Beaufort-Delta, I am equally torn that this government is not doing a great job selling this concept to the Members on this side of the House or the people of the Northwest Territories, for that matter.

Decisions to move forward on this project are being hampered with emotional feelings or political lobbying rather than rational thinking. The Minister asking for a leap of faith or asking us to put our best foot forward or, heaven forbid, asking the Department of Transportation to trust them after what we have seen with the Deh Cho Bridge is not only unacceptable, it is insulting.

Mr. Speaker, I have complete respect and admiration for the people of Tuktoyaktuk. However, we don’t want to see our own version of the Road to Nowhere. It is up to the people of the Beaufort-Delta and the rest of the Northwest Territories to stand up and be heard. Let’s get the right answers to our questions and let’s put all the cards on the table, because we are heading down a path or, in this case, a highway where the point of no return is just around the corner. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Inuvik To Tuktoyaktuk Highway Project

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Blake .

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Closure Of The Joe Greenland Centre In Aklavik

Members’ Statements

Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It has almost been a year since the government closed the Joe Greenland Centre in Aklavik to elders who cannot live independently. Now there is a line-up of elders waiting to get into the facility in Inuvik which serves the entire Beaufort-Delta region.

I am not convinced that the Inuvik facility can handle all of the elders who need care. I am not convinced that sending the elders to Inuvik and Yellowknife from the communities is the best way to care for our elders. In my riding alone, there are more than 300 elders over the age of 60. In Fort

McPherson and Tsiigehtchic there is only one home care worker in each community.

Mr. Speaker, even if they can’t stay at home, the elders themselves would rather live in one of the Delta communities instead of Inuvik or Yellowknife. The reason is family and friends visit regularly and bring their elders traditional food.

The Joe Greenland Centre is part of our social and cultural fabric of the Delta, Mr. Speaker. The community of Aklavik was proud of its role in taking care of our elders.

Members of the 16th Assembly, a year ago, passed

a motion to continue providing long-term care for elders at the Joe Greenland Centre. For all of these reasons, I am asking the Health Minister to reverse the department’s decision to end long-term care at the Joe Greenland Centre. I believe the current building can be renovated to meet necessary standards, but if that is not possible, a new facility should be built in the Mackenzie Delta. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Closure Of The Joe Greenland Centre In Aklavik

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Blake . The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Supplementary Health Benefits Program

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It was several years ago now, although it seems like just yesterday that the GNWT decided to implement the Supplementary Health Benefits Policy. The intent of the policy dated September 2007, was to provide consistent health benefit coverage for NWT residents who were not covered. But it also proposed to change the GNWT Extended Health Benefits Program to an income-tested model. Not surprisingly, there was considerable consternation, especially among seniors and residents with medical conditions requiring extensive treatment with expensive prescription drugs.

There was great debate here in this House. Residents marched to protest on the sidewalks outside the House. There were numerous public meetings and consultations. Things seemed at an impasse.

A Joint Working Group comprised of Regular Members and Cabinet Ministers was formed in July of 2010. After considerable time spent discussing the policy, reviewing options, considering residents’ concerns, the Minister of Health and Social Services of the day tabled the report of the Joint Working Group which contained 11 recommendations.

The 2007 policy was rescinded and work began on some of the Joint Working Group report’s recommended actions. On April 1st of last year,

several administrative changes took effect. To mention just a couple, one is residents with access to third-party insurance would be asked to use it

first before accessing the Extended Health Benefits Program or the Metis Health Benefits Program. A second one is we now use the same drug list for NWT residents whether they are funded by a federal NIHB Program or the NWT Extended Health Benefits Program.

What is still lacking is coverage for what has become known as the working poor, residents who have no health plan through their employer, who are not a senior over 60, not a Metis, not a status Indian and not on the department’s specified conditions list.

It’s been almost a year now since the initial changes were put into place. The Joint Working Group recommended provision of coverage for this segment of our population, yet there’s been no information to Members since the last update on March 10, 2011. Is the department working to fill this coverage gap, or has that thought quietly slipped away?

We have to provide for all of our residents equally, Mr. Speaker. We’re not doing that now and it’s time for action. Thank you.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Need For Post-Secondary Education Facility In The Sahtu

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. After the long deliberation yesterday of the supplementary infrastructure budget, I went home, I didn’t have any supper, I sat down on my couch, all alone in the dark.

---Laughter

However, Mr. Speaker, sitting there I thought about the rich resources that we have in the Sahtu region and the need for young people to start getting the proper education and training for the development that possibly could happen in the next four, five, or 10 more years.

We have a high population of young people. A couple of years ago, 45 percent of the entire Sahtu population was under 24 years of age. We need a Sahtu tech, a Sahtu college, a real college, real opportunity to bring the young people into one location. They have campuses in Inuvik, here in Yellowknife and in Fort Smith. We need a college like Keyano College or the college in Whitehorse.

We’ve had resource development happening since 1921. That’s over 90 years. We need to prepare our young people to get into the workforce. They are no longer the trappers and the hunters of my grandfather and the ancestors of my people. We need to properly prepare them to go out into the workforce. We need to get them ready and we need to start talking about partnerships with industry, the

different government agencies and the Sahtu leadership to start talking and planning for a Sahtu tech in our region and to prepare our young people.

It is irresponsible of this government to send our young people out with minimum training from the Aurora College campus. People are telling us the campus is not living up to what it should be. So we need to start preparing our people to do the things that are fair and just, and give our children a fair opportunity to make it in the world, because they can do it.

I’ll have questions for the Minister of Education and Culture at the appropriate time.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The Member for Hay River North , Mr. Bouchard .

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Acknowledging The Work Of Aviation And Tourism Pioneer Merlyn Carter

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Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On December 15, 2011, the Hay River Airport was renamed in recognition of Hay River pioneer, long-time Hay River resident Merlyn Carter.

After acquiring his pilot’s licence at 17, Merlyn moved from Meadow Lake, Saskatchewan, to the West Channel in Hay River to assist his parents with their commercial fishery. He later started Carter Air Services Limited, which he operated for 40 years. Merlyn was instrumental in assisting dozens of young men to start as pilots, including Joe McBryan, Perry Linton, Darcy Fleming and others who had successful lifetime aviation careers.

For decades, Carter’s floats- and skis-equipped aircraft provided vital air services to communities around the Great Slave Lake and as far north as the Arctic Ocean when many of the settlements had no airports. Merlyn’s fondness for the Aboriginal people in the NWT grew, as his many associations with them over the years grew as well.

On April 4, 2005, Merlyn and his wife Jean were recognized as honourary lifetime members of Northern Air Transportation Association for their contribution to aviation in the Canadian North. Sadly, on June 15, 2005, Merlyn was killed by a black bear at Nonacho Lake while preparing his tourism fishing camp for the summer season.

On June 3, 2008, Merlyn and Jean were inducted into the Canadian Tourism Hall of Fame, at a ceremony in Ottawa, for their contribution in the pioneering tourism in Canada’s North. His lifelong contribution to aviation and tourism in the Northwest Territories helped to open Canada’s North so that others could enjoy its beauty.

He was among the best-natured people we knew. Merlyn is affectionately remembered by all who had the pleasure to know him. On Friday my colleague Mrs. Groenewegen and myself will join the Minister

of Transportation in an official ceremony with the Carter family in Hay River.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bouchard . The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Nadli .

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Appointment Of Mr. Joachim Bonnetrouge As Chair Of Deh Cho Land Use Committee

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, the Deh Cho Land Use Planning Committee is pleased to announce that Joachim Bonnetrouge has been appointed as chair. His appointment is effective immediately.

Mr. Joachim Bonnetrouge was born on the land in Fort Providence. He attended 13 years of residential school, graduating with a diploma from high school in Fort Smith. He went on to study at college in Edmonton and Ottawa.

Mr. Bonnetrouge served the community of Fort Providence and the Deh Cho region in many capacities, including community development worker, Dene Zhatie language coordinator and employment workshop facilitator. He has served on numerous boards and committees, including the Native Communications Society, Deh Cho Health and Social Services, Dehcho Economic Corporation and the Youth Justice Circle.

Mr. Bonnetrouge has served in elected office, most recently as chief of the Deh Gah Gotie First Nations for a total of 13 years. Prior to his most recent term as chief, he served as project manager for the Aboriginal Health Foundation Healing Project for the Indian residential school survivors throughout the Deh Cho region.

Mr. Bonnetrouge has a keen interest in culture, traditions and values of his Deh Cho Dene people. He is a Member of the Dehcho Dene Drummers. He currently lives in Fort Providence with his wife, Nancy. They have worked together to raise four children.

Mr. Bonnetrouge replaces outgoing Interim Chair Herb Norwegian, who will resume the position of vice-chair.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Nadli . The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Effects From The Use Of Road Salt

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We all know that road salt is damaging to our vehicles but it’s also providing much harm to our natural world. Research in Canada and the United States shows that road salt is affecting drinking water sources and aquatic life. Levels of contamination to water

and sediment near Pickering, Ontario, exceed provincial water quality standards as much as 250 percent due to the amount of salt applied to the roads in winter.

Road salt is increasingly being used here in the North along Ingraham Trail. From the details provided by the Minister of DOT, it shows in the last six years that the increase in salt has gone up 200 percent on our Ingraham Trail road.

The fact is that road salt is not always the best choice for northern road conditions. In order for it to be most effective, temperatures need to stay above minus 10. Some public road authorities have started using liquid salt, but that doesn’t solve the problem of refreezing. As more snow falls and melts into slush, the water reduces the amount of salt and ice forms even faster, requiring more road salt before the road becomes rougher, slippery and more dangerous before it hardens up.

Up here the common source we use on the roads is called gravel. That makes a lot more sense. Unlike gravel, road salt dissolves into the spring runoff. That is particularly disturbing on the Ingraham Trail where the road crosses lakes and comes very close to the shorelines. Water runoff on the highway embankments into nesting areas affects aquatic life.

Dr. Nick Eyles says and recognizes that Environment Canada has pointed out that salt has adversely affected wildlife, plants, water, soil, and in 2001 they even considered adding it to the country’s list of most toxic substances. Instead, in 2004 the government instituted a voluntary code of practice to encourage municipalities to use other de-icing forms. We all know how voluntary practices and codes of conduct usually work out.

In closing, I want to point out that Northerners are a hardy bunch. We do like our salt on our eggs or fish at the dinner table, but we don’t like it in our lakes, rivers and streams. I’ll have questions for the Minister of Transportation later today.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It gives me great pleasure to join you in welcoming Mr. Anthony “Tony” Whitford. So many accolades, the list is getting longer daily. I’m looking forward to seeing him at the table with the table officers soon.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Member for Range Lake , Mr. Dolynny .

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, too, would like to recognize Mr. Tony Whitford, but for

one more accolade. He’s actually a gifted auctioneer and on behalf of the Yellowknife Community Foundation he’s raised thousands of dollars this past weekend for a lot of needy people and a lot of needy organizations around Yellowknife and the surrounding area.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, too, would like to recognize the very special, kind-hearted Anthony W.J. Whitford. He’s a kind friend, a mentor of mine, and like Mr. Dolynny pointed out, he set that place on fire once he grabbed that microphone. His community volunteerism and participation is certainly well known, not only in the Northwest Territories, but as legislators, quite often when we travel, the first person they want to know about is: Do you know a guy named Tony? Boy, oh boy, he’s made an impact not only in the North but I’d say worldwide. We’re glad to have him.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Member for Thebacha , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to rise as well. I’d be remiss if I didn’t take this opportunity to recognize a Metis boy from Fort Smith who made good, who came to the big city, who has been a colleague and a friend for many years, and no matter how long he lives in Yellowknife, he’ll always be a Metis boy from Fort Smith.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Not very often I get to recognize people. I would also like to recognize Tony. Some 30-odd years ago I want to say that Tony said some things to me that made a huge difference in my life and I thank Tony for saving my life at that time.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Item 6, acknowledgements. Item 7, oral questions. The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Question 82-17(2): Climate Change And Carbon Emissions Policies

Oral Questions

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are directed to the Minister of Environment and Natural Resources . I want to follow up on my earlier Member’s statement, a key priority of the 17th Assembly’s support of

environmentally sustainable development, and obviously the public is on track here. Given our current policies, we’re not achieving that and we’re

not able to achieve that. There’s no potential to achieve that. What is the Minister prepared to do in terms of improved policies and law to counter the threat to our people and environment?

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Question 82-17(2): Climate Change And Carbon Emissions Policies

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Minister responsible for Environment and Natural Resources , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 82-17(2): Climate Change And Carbon Emissions Policies

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think the more important question is, given the Member’s acknowledgement or description of, in his mind, the shortcomings of what the government is doing, what does the Member suggest we should be doing differently that we’re not currently doing, given that we’re on the eve of moving into yet another business planning process?

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Most of my Member’s statement was in fact dedicated to that, but I’d be happy to offer a lot of suggestions. We have elected this Minister to lead us and I’m expecting… This was raised in the last session, as you are well aware, having ruled on various points of order and so on. Now we’re finally getting back to the debate here. Obviously, months have gone by and there’s still no response. I’d like to ask that question again. What is this Minister doing, what is he prepared to do to modify our policies and laws to address the concerns on greenhouse gas emissions?

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Question 82-17(2): Climate Change And Carbon Emissions Policies

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

This is consensus government and we’re in this together. The Member brings decades of experience, knowledge and skill on this issue to the table. It would be a shame if it wasn’t fully incorporated into our thinking. We do rely on his advice in terms of what he would suggest.

We have laid out a plan. We have the Greenhouse Gas Strategy. We invested tens of millions of dollars into alternative energy, solar energy, building standards, any number of areas, waste reduction, all that have energy components, all that have climate change implications. We’ve spent millions on adaptation and we’re trying to do the same on mitigation. We have a full slate. The Member says it’s not enough. What would the Member like us specifically to do?

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Question 82-17(2): Climate Change And Carbon Emissions Policies

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

I guess we have a new protocol here. The Minister is asking me questions. I’m happy to take some time to answer those questions, as long as the Speaker will allow me. The first thing I would do is I would immediately get rid of the policy that says that we will allow our emissions to increase 100 percent by 2020 from some much earlier level when we were much lower when we know, and the Minister agrees, that the science says we need a 25 to 40 percent reduction in emissions by that time. It’s behaviour such as this government…

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Question 82-17(2): Climate Change And Carbon Emissions Policies

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Mr. Bromley .

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Question 82-17(2): Climate Change And Carbon Emissions Policies

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Yes, Mr. Speaker?

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Question 82-17(2): Climate Change And Carbon Emissions Policies

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Mr. Bromley , this is time for question period. I’m sorry to cut you off, but if you could just raise your question, the Minister will answer. Continue.

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Question 82-17(2): Climate Change And Carbon Emissions Policies

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Will the Speaker request the Minister to respond to my questions, to answer my questions?

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Question 82-17(2): Climate Change And Carbon Emissions Policies

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

The current plan has us working to stabilize our emissions at 2005 levels or less. We have laid out - and I could go on at great length but I appreciate your direction on short answers - the things we have underway with the resources we have available. We’re going to continue to work on those. We’ve met with local groups. We’re pursuing the work on carbon tax, emission standards, all those types of things in addition to the ongoing work. We’re in fiscal restraint so we don’t have the same amount of money that we did in the 16th Assembly, so we’re

trying to be as creative as possible. We would appreciate all the guidance and assistance we can get as we move forward with the resources we have to deal with this issue.

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Question 82-17(2): Climate Change And Carbon Emissions Policies

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thanks for that response from the Minister. I appreciate that. Will the Minister commit to immediately revising the Greenhouse Gas Policy to remove the policy of allowing greenhouse gas emissions to soar to 100 percent above earlier emissions by 2020 and replace it with a more responsible policy in line with the science with which he agrees?

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

As I’ve indicated, we’ve set the target for ourselves at reducing our emissions to 2005 levels or less. If that is through the course of the business planning process not deemed adequate by the Legislature and committees as we come forward, we will look at making whatever adjustments are agreed to. This is the result of the Greenhouse Gas Strategy that was just renewed at the tail end of the last Assembly. Of course, it’s subject to ongoing review and we’ll be happy to work with Members opposite as we go through the business planning process.

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Question 82-17(2): Climate Change And Carbon Emissions Policies

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final supplementary, Mr. Bromley .

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Question 82-17(2): Climate Change And Carbon Emissions Policies

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thanks for that response from the Minister. There are two main keys to achieving a reduction of greenhouse gas output and both of them also provide many opportunities for economic development reducing cost of living and so on. One is getting this government and our communities off carbon-intensive fuels and onto renewables. Another is requiring all future major industrial development to achieve carbon neutrality as a condition of approval. When will the Minister table a plan for achieving these crucial objectives?

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Question 82-17(2): Climate Change And Carbon Emissions Policies

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

We have tabled a Biomass Strategy that speaks to that particular initiative. We’re concluding a Solar Strategy. We’re doing a Hydro Strategy. We’re looking at wind as well. Geothermal. We, as well, are clearly on track. We have a plan that’s called devolution. Devolution will give us the authority to control land, water and resource development, and it will allow us to make changes that are appropriate to the North on regulatory regimes to address some of the very issues that the Member talks about. With his full support, we could have that agreement signed by 2014. Thank you.

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Question 82-17(2): Climate Change And Carbon Emissions Policies

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 83-17(2): Funding For Community Seniors’ Societies

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are in follow-up to my Member’s statement about seniors’ societies. I talked about the Hay River Seniors’ Society and mentioned that recently the Hay River Seniors’ Society applied to the Department of Health and Social Services for funding and was turned down.

I wish that all Ministers would ask on this side of the House what we’d like. If Minister Beaulieu wants to ask me what I want, I want a pot of money set aside by this government that seniors’ groups can apply for and be granted, for activities such as social activities, sports activities, health-based activities. I’d like to ask the Minister, is that something that we can do. Thank you.

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Question 83-17(2): Funding For Community Seniors’ Societies

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 83-17(2): Funding For Community Seniors’ Societies

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Tu Nedhe

Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Health and Social Services

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. At this time the funding from the Department of Health and Social Services for seniors’ groups in the Northwest Territories is to the NWT Seniors’ Society which, in turn, works with the seniors’ societies at the community level.

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Question 83-17(2): Funding For Community Seniors’ Societies

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

The funding that goes to the NWT Seniors’ Society is project specific. It goes to fund things that are clearly outlined in terms of programming, the NWT Seniors Helpline, and various things like that. There is no money that is given to the NWT Seniors’ Society which then is passed on to a local seniors’ society such as the one in Hay River.

I would like to know if it would be possible to identify funds that could be applied for directly by local seniors’ societies. Thank you.

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Question 83-17(2): Funding For Community Seniors’ Societies

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Tu Nedhe

Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Health and Social Services

The Department of Health and Social Services offers a range of programs to all seniors across the territory in all the

communities. They range from home care to long-term care, extended care and other seniors’ benefits across the territory. I don’t believe there are any monies actually marked for specific seniors’ societies in the communities, but there is money given to the community for those very seniors. Thank you.

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Question 83-17(2): Funding For Community Seniors’ Societies

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

I don’t think anyone could deny that we, as a government, are mindful of the needs of seniors in the Northwest Territories, and the programming that Mr. Beaulieu articulates is correct. There are very good seniors’ programs in place for many different things. However, the seniors themselves like to get together, plan activities, and these kinds of activities give the seniors something to look forward to and there’s a lot of well-being in them being able to get together and do things together.

We fund youth in the communities. Why not seniors? Thank you.

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Question 83-17(2): Funding For Community Seniors’ Societies

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Tu Nedhe

Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Health and Social Services

I will work with the NWT Seniors’ Society, which is made up of seniors from all the communities – I believe the president of the seniors’ societies in the various communities for the NWT Seniors’ Society – to see if we could redistribute the money that’s going to the seniors. If it’s possible to put little pots of money into the communities so they can do those functions, I will make note of and discuss that with the NWT Seniors’ president and the society. Thank you.

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Question 83-17(2): Funding For Community Seniors’ Societies

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Your final, short supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 83-17(2): Funding For Community Seniors’ Societies

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would ask the Minister, if he has time and if his

schedule permits, would he commit to meeting with the NWT Seniors’ Society on this matter to get the information from them firsthand on whether these representatives of the various seniors’ societies believe that specific funding for communities would be appropriate. Would he have time to do that? Thank you.

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Question 83-17(2): Funding For Community Seniors’ Societies

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Tu Nedhe

Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Health and Social Services

Yes, Mr. Speaker, I will meet the NWT Seniors’ Society. I have met with the Seniors' Society once since being appointed the Minister responsible for Seniors, and they know that I’m prepared to meet with them again any time that they wish to meet with me. I think we may actually have a meeting scheduled in a very short time here. I will bring that specific issue up at that time. Thank you.

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Question 83-17(2): Funding For Community Seniors’ Societies

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 84-17(2): Training And Education Needs In The Sahtu

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I talked earlier about the need for a Sahtu tech in our region

here. I want to ask the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment what has this department and Aurora College done to find out what types of employment needs, training needs are needed in the Sahtu, the oil patch and how can they be met.

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Question 84-17(2): Training And Education Needs In The Sahtu

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 84-17(2): Training And Education Needs In The Sahtu

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. In the Sahtu region there are four community learning centres: Norman Wells, Deline, Fort Good Hope and Tulita. Each of those community learning centres have their own adult educators as well. There is also a Sahtu Regional Training Committee that deals with the long-term planning for the region. We are part of the process as well as the department. Those are ongoing initiatives and discussions that are happening at the regional level. Mahsi.

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Question 84-17(2): Training And Education Needs In The Sahtu

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Some of the facilities that Mr. Lafferty spoke about, our people in the communities are saying that we need more than what the campuses are providing right now. They’re providing very minimum training for our people, and we need to advance it to a technical college in the region to take advantage of the potential of the oil and gas exploration, mining, construction. I want to ask the Minister if he can move this level of education to a new era that we would actually see a Sahtu tech college being planned for the region.

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Question 84-17(2): Training And Education Needs In The Sahtu

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Those types of discussions I believe are happening in the Sahtu region. Part of the committee, the Sahtu Regional Training Committee that deals with the five-year plan, I’m sure those types of discussions have occurred. I will find out from my departmental representatives if there has been discussion in that capacity with respect to the Member’s request of a tech in the Sahtu region. Those types of discussions and also a lot of the training needs of the regions are part of the five-year training plan that’s been produced by the region. Mahsi.

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Question 84-17(2): Training And Education Needs In The Sahtu

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

The people in the Sahtu will look at opportunities such as the building of the new wellness centre or the long-term care facility in the Sahtu, and we want to prepare for that through that type of programming that could be available. That’s one of the things I ask of this Minister: what type of programs that we could start initiating with the training of construction.

There’s oil and gas coming in. We’ve spent up to $70 million in the Sahtu this winter. There are oil and gas companies coming in for the next four or five years. We need to initiate. Can the Minister tell me if his department is planning to meet with the leadership, the oil and gas industry, any type of construction company and this government, to start looking at a Sahtu tech?

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Question 84-17(2): Training And Education Needs In The Sahtu

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

From the Sahtu perspective, I think we certainly need to take full advantage of the community learning centres at the regional level. Yes, indeed, we need to prepare our people for the opportunities that are coming. At the same time there are talks and we do have a representative from the Sahtu region on the Aurora College Board of Governors, Ms. Ethel Blondin-Andrew. There have been talks about a potential mobile trades unit similar to the Inuvik initiative that’s been very successful. Those are some of the discussions that are happening within the training committee.

If there is a meeting proposed by leadership, by all means, my departmental staff are more than willing to partake in the discussion as well. Mahsi.

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Question 84-17(2): Training And Education Needs In The Sahtu

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 84-17(2): Training And Education Needs In The Sahtu

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. With the recent booming of the oil and gas activity in the Sahtu region, I want to ask the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment what is he doing or his department doing with the Aurora College to prepare our people to work in the oil patch development and have jobs so they can apply for jobs and make a career in that field? What is he doing? We are proposing a Sahtu tech. Will the Minister support that?

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Question 84-17(2): Training And Education Needs In The Sahtu

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mr. Speaker, I can definitely find out from the Aurora College – they are arm’s length from us when it comes to program delivery – and find out exactly what kind of program has been offered in the region pertaining to the Member’s request. I can get back to the Members as well. Mahsi.

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Question 84-17(2): Training And Education Needs In The Sahtu

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .

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Question 85-17(2): Aboriginal Languages Revitalization Plan

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . It is in regards to the Minister’s statement that he mentioned yesterday and working to increase the number of Aboriginal language speakers, provide employment opportunities for elders and improve educational opportunities for our Aboriginal students.

Mr. Speaker, with this whole work plan in place, I wanted to ask the Minister, will he give priority to those languages that are being detrimentally declining over the last few years. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 85-17(2): Aboriginal Languages Revitalization Plan

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 85-17(2): Aboriginal Languages Revitalization Plan

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. The Northwest Territories recognizes 11 official languages. Nine of them are Aboriginal languages. Yes, indeed, some of the languages, we are losing our language, more specifically, the Gwich’in area and the very reason why we have gone to Fairbanks, Alaska, to find out the best practices. We have initiated that and we brought the information back. We are pursuing rolling out the program.

Yes, all the languages in the Northwest Territories need to be protected, revitalized, and more specifically, those are on the verge of losing their language. We must put more emphasis on program delivery in those areas. That is our goal for the Department of Education, Culture and Employment. Mahsi.

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Question 85-17(2): Aboriginal Languages Revitalization Plan

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Mr. Speaker, I know we have to put the programs and services into place for all languages. However, we do have a couple of languages that are close to extinction here, specifically the Gwich’in language. We have some in the South Slave. Will the Minister see those results and put the emphasis and priorities to address those languages and cultures first, before moving on to the ones that are already doing well in the Northwest Territories? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 85-17(2): Aboriginal Languages Revitalization Plan

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Those are discussions that we definitely need to have with language experts from the region and communities because I need to hear them out. It won’t be coming from the top down to say this is what is good for you. I will be working with the Member and also the language experts at the community level. We did form a committee to deal with the Aboriginal Student Achievement Initiative that is part of that and also Aboriginal Languages Strategy.

There are certain languages that are almost on the verge of extinction. At the same time, we need to protect all languages. If we need to identify Gwich’in as the first priority and second priority and so forth, we need to have those discussions. Mahsi.

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Question 85-17(2): Aboriginal Languages Revitalization Plan

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

I appreciate all of the efforts that Education, Culture and Employment is doing to revitalize our languages and taking our Members down to Alaska to look at best practices that we can incorporate here in the Northwest Territories.

With that said, moving forward in the strategic plan, can the Minister look at possibly creating a curriculum in the Aurora College to address these languages? That is one avenue to do it to get our adults back into the Aurora College system to start learning the language. Will the Minister please respond and let me know if that is one avenue that he is looking at, is having the credited course through the Aurora College system on Aboriginal languages? I believe in Inuvik we have had some Spanish classes. I am looking at Gwich’in. I am

looking at Inuvialuktun. Will the Minister please answer that question? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 85-17(2): Aboriginal Languages Revitalization Plan

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

I am challenging the leadership around this table and across the Northwest Territories to promote more of those individuals that can pursue the Teacher Education Program that speak the language to come out of the programming with qualified qualifications so they can start teaching our own people in their own language. That is part of the wish and we will pursue that even further. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 85-17(2): Aboriginal Languages Revitalization Plan

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Moses .

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Question 85-17(2): Aboriginal Languages Revitalization Plan

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regards to the revitalization of Aboriginal languages and he has also talked previously about Aboriginal student achievement. Can he combine the two and make languages in elementary schools part of a strong curriculum in the schools and enhance that and put more funding towards that? Will the Minister commit to those funding dollars? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 85-17(2): Aboriginal Languages Revitalization Plan

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mr. Speaker, that is part of the plan to have full-fledged emergent programs in schools. We may not be able to cover all schools at the beginning, but that is part of the long-term plan, part of the ASA and also Aboriginal Languages Strategy. We are going through a business planning cycle. We need to identify those funds. Those two documents that I have highlighted, it is a big document. It is a long-term strategy. We will be rolling out those programs. Mahsi.

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Question 85-17(2): Aboriginal Languages Revitalization Plan

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 86-17(2): Environmental Impact Of The Use Of Road Salt

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In my Member’s statement today I talked about road salt and certainly I tried to highlight some of the impacts of road salt usage in the Northwest Territories. I want to thank the Minister of Transportation . He has

provided me with some raw data on what is used annually here since 2006-07 on road salt.

As I said in my Member’s statement today, in the last six years, it has increased over 200 percent. What type of monitoring of the impacts of road salt usage is happening by his department to ensure that we are not creating problems with the environment such as the rivers, ponds and streams? Thank you.

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Question 86-17(2): Environmental Impact Of The Use Of Road Salt

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Minister of Transportation , Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 86-17(2): Environmental Impact Of The Use Of Road Salt

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Transportation

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Department of Transportation has been using road salt for the de-icing agent in the Northwest Territories for the past 26 years. If the Member would like some detailed information on possible environmental impact of the use of road salt, I would be more than happy to ask the department for that. Thank you.

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Question 86-17(2): Environmental Impact Of The Use Of Road Salt

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, in answering the Minister’s question, I will say yes.

Mr. Speaker, Environment Canada, as I am aware, has done a fair bit of research along Highway No. 3 to study the impact of road salt. Is the reason why the Department of Transportation wouldn’t typically monitor the amount of road salt considering the amount we use? At the same time, why do we use road salt? Why don’t we just go with gravel, which is a product naturally found here so we wouldn’t be introducing anything new and doing any harm to our environment? Thank you.

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Question 86-17(2): Environmental Impact Of The Use Of Road Salt

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Transportation

Mr. Speaker, the application of road salt happens when the temperature is minus 10 and rising in periods of close to freezing. It is considered to be better application than the gravel in those instances. It is not used all the time, all winter, but predominantly in the fall and the spring. Because our climate is changing and we are seeing more days where we are susceptible to freezing rain, the use of salt has increased. If the climate continues to change, that trend is likely to continue. Thank you.

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Question 86-17(2): Environmental Impact Of The Use Of Road Salt

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, and I appreciate the answer from the Minister. Interestingly enough, through my research and, of course, some of the response for the Minister, it highlights minus 10 or warmer is basically the time, I’ll say the opportunity to use road salt, because if you use it when it’s colder than minus 10 it doesn’t work. So would the Minister of Transportation be willing to re-evaluate the Department of Transportation’s usage of road salt in the Northwest Territories because of the possible negative effects that are happening? I shouldn’t say possible, these are known negative effects that are happening to our environment. Would he be willing to review that policy? Thank you.

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Question 86-17(2): Environmental Impact Of The Use Of Road Salt

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Transportation

Thank you. As I mentioned earlier to the Member, I’d be more than happy to go back to the department to get their understanding of what any potential environmental impact is with the use of road salt. But like I said, we’ve been applying that to the roads here in the Northwest Territories for the past 26 years. So I will get that information. Thank you.

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Question 86-17(2): Environmental Impact Of The Use Of Road Salt

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 86-17(2): Environmental Impact Of The Use Of Road Salt

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Not to sound combative, but just because we’ve done it for 20 years this way doesn’t mean we couldn’t do it better or another way tomorrow. We’ve all been using the same beaver pelt hats where they use mercury on them in order to be safe. So, I’ll take the Minister’s point, though, and if he could provide that to the standing committee as well as all Members, that would be very useful for us, especially the companion of the Environment Canada study that has been looking at the lakes along the highways here. Thank you.

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Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Transportation

Thank you. Yes, we’ll do that. Thank you.

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Question 86-17(2): Environmental Impact Of The Use Of Road Salt

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Jackie Jacobson

The Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Blake .

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Question 87-17(2): Long-Term Care Needs Of Mackenzie Delta Elders

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are directed to the Minister of Health and Social Services . Is the Minister willing to review the decision to end long-term care at the Joe Greenland Centre and come up with a plan that meets the needs of elders in the Mackenzie Delta? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 87-17(2): Long-Term Care Needs Of Mackenzie Delta Elders

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Blake . The Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 87-17(2): Long-Term Care Needs Of Mackenzie Delta Elders

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The long-term care facilities need to be located near larger centres where we have physicians and nursing care and so on. Right now it makes it very difficult to put long-term care in the smaller communities where that service is not available 24/7. That’s been the issue in the past. Because physicians are not available 24/7, it’s difficult to keep long-term care in the smaller centres like Aklavik. Thank you.

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Question 87-17(2): Long-Term Care Needs Of Mackenzie Delta Elders

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Is the Minister going to increase the amount of home care workers as an interim measure until we receive a long-term care facility? Thank you.

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Question 87-17(2): Long-Term Care Needs Of Mackenzie Delta Elders

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Yes, we have. In the difference between the year when last year when the Joe Greenland Centre had housed the eight

people that were level 1 and 2 in the facility, we had 139 home care visits into the private home or into the units that are allocated in the Joe Greenland or around the community from the Housing Corporation, to just under 700 visits the year after that portion of the facility was changed to independent living. Thank you.

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Question 87-17(2): Long-Term Care Needs Of Mackenzie Delta Elders

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you. At this time I have no further questions. Thank you.

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Question 87-17(2): Long-Term Care Needs Of Mackenzie Delta Elders

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Blake . The Member for Range Lake , Mr. Dolynny .

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Question 88-17(2): Risk Matrix For Large Infrastructure Projects

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. For the record, I do support the Inuvik-Tuk highway. What I’m going to be questioning here later is the process on how we get there.

Less than a year ago, the Auditor General of Canada brought forward to this House their statements or findings regarding the Department of Transportation and their handling of the Deh Cho Bridge. My question today will be around some of the findings in that study that have to do with the risk matrix. The risk matrix, Mr. Speaker, is what worst-case scenario could happen, and would have happened, and did happen, and quite frankly we know, with all due respect, that the Deh Cho Bridge had a lot of things that went astray.

So my question for the Minister of the Department of Transportation is: What has the Department of Transportation and the Minister of Transportation learned from the Deh Cho Bridge project as it pertains to risk management to the risk matrix? Thank you.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . The Minister of Transportation , Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 88-17(2): Risk Matrix For Large Infrastructure Projects

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As we move the Inuvik to Tuk Highway Project forward, obviously a risk matrix is going to be an important factor in this construction. We have to learn from lessons in the past, but again, the parallels that some Members like to make between the Deh Cho Bridge and the Inuvik-Tuk highway are unwarranted. We have a willing and able partner in the federal government that’s contributing $150 million to the Inuvik to Tuk Highway Project and we will develop a risk matrix and we will continue to move the project forward. Thank you.

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you. I do appreciate the Minister’s comment regarding the partnering, but again, risk matrix is more than just a partner. There are a lot of elements behind it and I’m sure the Minister is aware of that. So having said that, do we have any preliminary findings of a risk matrix that can be shared with the people of the Northwest

Territories as it pertains to this new project that is on the floor? Thank you.

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Question 88-17(2): Risk Matrix For Large Infrastructure Projects

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Yesterday in the House we approved the $2.5 million in the supp. That will enable us now to go out and do that work that will, again, push us towards developing a risk matrix for the Tuk-Inuvik highway. So I want to thank the Members that supported that yesterday. Again, we will continue to make sure that the project does move forward. Thank you.

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you. Again I thank the Minister for his comments, but at what point can we expect to have a full risk matrix for the Inuvik-Tuk highway and will this critical piece, which is an important piece I think for the Members and the people of the Northwest Territories to have, will we get this information and will it be available before we get past that point of no return when it comes to proper funding?

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Question 88-17(2): Risk Matrix For Large Infrastructure Projects

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you. We’ve got to get out, get the geotechnical work done, the environmental work done, ensure that the environmental assessment is complete, get the financing arrangement with the federal government complete and get a better estimate of what the project is going to cost, and I think once all that work is done, we will be able to ascertain what the risks are associated with the construction of the highway between Inuvik and Tuktoyaktuk. So that, again, that work is going to proceed and we will at some point in time in the very near future develop that risk matrix for all Members to see. Thank you.

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Question 88-17(2): Risk Matrix For Large Infrastructure Projects

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 89-17(2): Status Of Suggested Changes To Supplementary Health Benefits

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are addressed to the Minister of Health and Social Services and I’d like to follow up on my statement. The issue of changes to the Extended Health Benefits Program was extremely contentious and it was a couple of years ago that we went through great upheaval and discussion about the changes. The policy was rescinded, but there were some recommended changes and some of those actions were put in place.

I’d like to ask the Minister if he can advise the House and the Members and the public where things are at on the rest of the recommendations that were in the Joint Working Group’s report, provide us with an update on what has been implemented since the update that we had last year. Thank you.

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Question 89-17(2): Status Of Suggested Changes To Supplementary Health Benefits

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 89-17(2): Status Of Suggested Changes To Supplementary Health Benefits

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think there’s been a lot of discussion and that in dealing with the Supplementary Health Program. One of the key areas that the MLAs asked be looked at was addressing the working poor that didn’t have coverage, any existing supplementary or any sort of health coverage at all. The department has done the work, is now working on trying to fill that gap, and it seems to be a gap there now of the working poor, and the department is bringing information together to try to fill that gap.

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Question 89-17(2): Status Of Suggested Changes To Supplementary Health Benefits

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thanks to the Minister. I’m pleased to hear the department is doing some work. I guess I’d like to know from the Minister what kind of timeline we’re on to do this work and to get the coverage that’s required for the people who are not currently covered in terms of our health program. Can he tell me when Members will be advised of the work that the department is doing and what kind of a time frame we can expect to see this coverage in place?

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Question 89-17(2): Status Of Suggested Changes To Supplementary Health Benefits

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

This is a fairly large group of individuals. One of the key aspects of the work will be to cost out this type of benefit, and once the benefit is costed out, then this government would have to come back to the House in the business planning process to get the money together. It’s not going to be in this business plan, so I will commit to the Member that we can do the costing for the next business plan.

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Question 89-17(2): Status Of Suggested Changes To Supplementary Health Benefits

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

To the Minister, I guess if the Minister is needing costing, I have umpteen documents in my files which I can provide to him. That work was done when the Joint Working Group met over a year and a half, two years ago. One of the recommendations in the report was to look at a pharmaceuticals plan for the NWT and/or to work with Western Canada provinces and territories to try and develop a plan to reduce the costs of our drugs. It’s well known that drugs are our most expensive cost. Can the Minister tell me whether or not any work is being done to develop a pharmaceuticals plan either within the territory or within Western Canada?

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Question 89-17(2): Status Of Suggested Changes To Supplementary Health Benefits

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

The department is doing a pharmacy strategy. I’m sure all the costs of medicine, pills, pharmaceuticals are within that strategy.

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Question 89-17(2): Status Of Suggested Changes To Supplementary Health Benefits

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Final supplementary, Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 89-17(2): Status Of Suggested Changes To Supplementary Health Benefits

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My usual question to the Minister: If we’re developing a strategy, when are we going to see it?

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Question 89-17(2): Status Of Suggested Changes To Supplementary Health Benefits

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

I don’t have the timeline with me here. I will commit to providing that information back to the Member as soon as the department is able to give me the details on when that strategy will be in place.

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Question 89-17(2): Status Of Suggested Changes To Supplementary Health Benefits

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Question 90-17(2): Costs Associated With Power Disruption Caused By Military Exercises

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are for the Minister responsible for the NWT Power Corporation and it’s my hope I can get answers beyond finalizing devolution as the answer to all of my questions. The hydro supply for Yellowknife and Behchoko was recently knocked out by the Canadian Military’s current exercises for our protection. We face a huge bill for one kilometre of transmission lin