Oral Questions, Legislative Assembly And Executive Council Act, Commercial Tenancies Act, Cost Of Living — 22 February 1993 (12th Assembly, 3rd Session, pp. 527–560)
1993-02-22, 12th Assembly 3rd Session, pp. 527–560
Northwest Territories — Debates (Hansard)
Debates of Feb. 22nd, 1993
This is page numbers 527 - 560 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.
The word of the day was chairman .
Topics
Members Present
Item 1: Prayer
Response To Member's Statement From Thebacha
Canada Scholars
Hondo Oil And Gas
Member's Statement Regarding Housing Corporation Minister's Handling Of A Complaint
Workers' Compensation Board
Additional Runway Lighting For Lake Harbour
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Status Of Application For Construction Of Gas Pipeline
Bussing Services In Gjoa Haven
Discussing Staff Housing Strategy Concerns With Mlas Versus Constituents
Opposition To Long-term Staff Housing Strategy
Shipwreck In Sanikiluaq
GNWT Negotiated Contracts
Review Of The Education Act
Pay Equity Negotiations
Additional Social Services Counsellor For Gjoa Haven
Ministers' Travel Throughout The Nwt
Incurred Costs For Proposed Payroll Tax
Cost Of Living Research
Accumulated Surplus In 1992
Business Travel Undertaken By Cabinet Ministers
Item 10: Petitions
Committee Report 11-12(3): The Standing Committee On Finance, Report On The Review Of 1993-94 Main Estimates
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
Tabled Document 3-12(3) The Report Of The Commission For Constitutional Development To Committee Of The Whole
Tabled Document 49-12(3) Long-term Staff Housing Strategy To Committee Of The Whole
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Bill 16: Norman Wells Natural Gas Distribution System Act
To Adopt Recommendation 1
To Adopt Recommendation 2
To Adopt Recommendation 3
To Adopt Recommendation 7
To Adopt Recommendation 8
To Adopt Recommendation 4
Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
Bill 11:
An Act To Amend The Legislative Assembly And Executive Council Act
Bill 6:
An Act To Amend The Commercial Tenancies Act
Item 22: Orders Of The Day
Members Present
Hon. Titus Allooloo , Mr. Antoine , Mr. Amgna'naaq, Hon. Michael Ballantyne , Hon. Nellie Coumoyea, Mr. Dent , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Koe , Mr. Lewis , Mrs. Marie-Jewell , Hon. Rebecca Mike , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Richard Nerysoo , Mr. Ningarik, Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Mr. Pudluk , Hon. John Todd , Mr. Whitford , Mr. Zoe
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Item 1: Prayer
Item 1: Prayer
Page 527
The Speaker
Michael Ballantyne
Good afternoon. I hope everyone had a restful weekend. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Morin .
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Minister's Statement 37-12(3): Response To Member's Statement From Thebacha
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 527
Don Morin
Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, on Friday, February 19, the Member for Thebacha rose and made a Member's statement regarding concerns she had with the way in which an issue she had raised with me was dealt with. I accept responsibility for the fact that the issue was not dealt with properly.
What I do not accept, however, is the tone and the manner in which the Member chose to communicate her displeasure. In the space of a two and a half page statement she claims that I am not taking my job seriously, I am cavalier, unprofessional, forgetful, unhelpful, lazy, irresponsible and unconscientious.
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Minister's Statement 37-12(3): Response To Member's Statement From Thebacha
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The Speaker
Michael Ballantyne
Point of order. Mrs. Marie-Jewell .
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Minister's Statement 37-12(3): Response To Member's Statement From Thebacha
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
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Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thebacha
Point of order, Mr. Speaker. I wanted to ask clarification, the Minister is making ...
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The Speaker
Michael Ballantyne
Mrs. Marie-Jewell , Members cannot ask for clarification. What is your point of order, Mrs. Marie-Jewell ?
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Minister's Statement 37-12(3): Response To Member's Statement From Thebacha
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 527
Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thebacha
Mr. Speaker, the Minister rose under Ministers' statements. I received a copy of the Minister's statement as put forth. Under the rules of this House, a Minister is to speak to a Minister's statement on a policy issue. Thank you.
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Minister's Statement 37-12(3): Response To Member's Statement From Thebacha
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The Speaker
Michael Ballantyne
Up to this particular point, I am unable to rule on your point of order. I wiU say, though, the issue at hand here is, I believe, to be that of policy insomuch as it deals with how the government and the govemment Ministers deal wilh concerns of MLAs. Up to this point, you do not have a point of order, Mrs. Marie-Jewell . Please continue, Mr. Morin .
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Minister's Statement 37-12(3): Response To Member's Statement From Thebacha
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 527
Don Morin
Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. She claims that I am not taking my job seriously, I am cavalier, unprofessional, forgetful, unhelpful, lazy, irresponsible and unconscientious.
Mr. Speaker, I am none of those things, the Member knows it as do the other Members of this House. I have tried as best as I know how to deal with Members' issues in a timely and conscientious way. This issue was dealt with the way in which most issues are dealt with. Staff are asked to research facts and provide answers and options available to the Minister at which point in time direction is given. There were two basic mistakes made in this case, the way in which the client was dealt with, and the way in which the corporation officials dealt with the Member's letter of complaint. Both of these have been dealt with and, hopefully, the issue is resolved.
I welcome constructive criticism from Members of this House, but I will not allow mysett to be abused in an irresponsible manner by a Member who, on one hand, expects to be dealt with in a courteous and professional manner but, on the other hand, is not willing to act that way herself.
Perhaps, Mr. Speaker, this is why the reputation and conduct of Members of this House is being perceived by the public in an increasingly cynical manner. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Minister's Statement 37-12(3): Response To Member's Statement From Thebacha
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 527
The Speaker
Michael Ballantyne
Ministers' statements. Mr. Nerysoo .
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Minister's Statement 38-12(3): Canada Scholars
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 527
Richard Nerysoo
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to announce that seven students who graduated from NWT high schools last year have been named Canada scholars. These seven students are enrolled in university programs in science or engineering. They have all demonstrated high academic standards and we are very proud of all of them. We need to develop a strong resident population of scientists and engineers in the Northwest Territories.
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Minister's Statement 38-12(3): Canada Scholars
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
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An Hon. Member
Hear, hear.
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Minister's Statement 38-12(3): Canada Scholars
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
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Richard Nerysoo
Mackenzie Delta
I hope all seven of these new Canada scholars will excel in their studies and return to the Northwest Territories where they can help us build our future. For the record, Mr. Speaker, I would like to read the names of our 1992 Canada scholars. Our congratulations go out to Katherine Searle, a graduate of Samuel Hearne Secondary School; Jonathan Hazenburg of Fort Simpson; Robert Hewlett of Hay River, and Yellowknife students Brian Auge, Michel Haener, Josip Peleskei and Ivan Tolentino.
My best wishes go out to an these students and I, along with my Cabinet colleagues, and an of the Members of this Assembly, encourage them to continue their achievements by setting outstarnfmg educational standards and examples for students of the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Minister's Statement 38-12(3): Canada Scholars
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
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The Speaker
Michael Ballantyne
Thank you, Mr. Nerysoo . Ministers' statements. Ms. Cournoyea .
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Minister's Statement 39-12(3): Hondo Oil And Gas
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 528
Nellie Cournoyea
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. An announcement was made recently by a US based company, Hondo Oil and Gas, that it has created a subsidiary, the Mackenzie-Porcupine Pipeline Company, to pursue the development of a large scale project to take natural gas from the Mackenzie Delta by pipeline to a new terminal near Anchorage, Alaska. From there, the gas would be liquefied for shipment to markets in China, Korea, Japan and Taiwan.
Mr. Speaker, this is an ambitious project, and it is at a very preliminary stage. The proponents will need seles contracts in several different countries, purchase agreements with the Delta producers, environmental and regulatory approvals, and billions of dollars of debt financing. Discussions on these basic requirements for a successful project have only just begun.
We should also note that gas from the Delta would have to compete with gas reserves in the Persian Gulf and Indonesia, which could be developed and transported to Asian markets at a much lower cost.
Natural gas prices, and growth in the demand for natural gas, should continue to be much higher in the Far East than in North America. It, therefore, makes sense for industry to investigate the concept of bringing gas from the Delta to these markets. If this partirular project looks realistic, then it is also possible that other proponents will come forward with different ideas about how natural gas might be transported from the Delta to the Far East. If this type of project were to be constructed, it would probably displace any large scale gas pipeline from the Delta up the Mackenzie Valley to Alberta.
However, it is difficult to foresee when gas markets in North America could justify the development of a Mackenzie Valley gas pipeline. The project proposed by Hondo could open up the north to a potentially better gas market.
This proposed pipeline would not cross any caribou calving areas that we are aware of. It would be buied for most of its length, and would follow the Dempster Highway corridor as much as possible. The project would also involve the construc:tion of a small diameter liquids pipeline from the Delta to Norman Wells.
Mr. Speaker, at this point there is not enough information for the government to take a position on the proposal. It will take the companies involved several years to bring the project to the point where it could be reviewed by the appropriate regulatory agencies. In the meantime, we intend to keep an open mind and work cooperatively with the proponents. Next week representatives from Hondo Oil and Gas are planning to visit Old Crow in Inuvik to discuss their proposals with community leaders, the Gwich'in Tribal Council and the lnuvialuit Regional Corporation.
The company appreciates the importance of an open dialogue with the affected communities and aboriginal organizations whose support will be of critical importance to the success of this venture. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Minister's Statement 39-12(3): Hondo Oil And Gas
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
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The Speaker
Michael Ballantyne
Thank you, Ms. Coumoyea. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mrs. Marie-Jewell .
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Member's Statement Regarding Housing Corporation Minister's Handling Of A Complaint
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 528
Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was home on the weekend and it was indicated to me that at the beginning of my Member's statement on Friday, my constituents were unable to hear my Member's statement because at that time the radio was cut off. Therefore, my constituents wondered why the Minister of the Housing Corporation was using the tone that he did, saying I was conducting rnyseH in an irresponsible manner as a Member. I resent that. In fact, Mr. Speaker, I am thinking of requesting an apology. I would like to re-read my statement.
Mr. Speaker, on Friday I expressed my disappointment and concern in the actions undertaken by the Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation in dealing with a serious matter, which I brought to his attention. Mr. Speaker, on November 12, I wrote to the Minister to indicate that one of my constituents had approached me in exasperation and frustration with the attitudes of Housing Corporation personnel in the Hay River district office. In doing so, I had faith that the Minister would take the issue seriously and take responsibility to find an appropriate resolution.
I remember clearly, on November 13, 1991, in reviewing the edited Hansard, the honourable Member for Tu Nedhe said some things when he asked Members of this House to select him for a Cabinet position. He said, in this House, and I quote, "I am still committed to working with all 24 Members of this Assembly in the next four years, whether I be a Cabinet Member or an ordinary Member, guaranteed.
You are going to hear from me because I am here to represent my people who are aboriginal from small communities." He also said, "When you vote today, my friends, vote for someone who is here to do a job and not someone who is just here for the job." That is why, Mr. Speaker, I am disappointment and concerned with the cavalier manner in which the Minister conducted himself when he dealt with my constituent's concern.
The constituent who approached me...
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The Speaker
Michael Ballantyne
Your allotted time has elapsed, Mrs. Marie-Jewell .
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Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thebacha
Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to continue with my Member's statement.
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Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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The Speaker
Michael Ballantyne
The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mrs. Marie-Jewell .
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Member's Statement Regarding Housing Corporation Minister's Handling Of A Complaint
Item 3: Members' Statements
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Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The constituent who approached me heel a serious problem with his housing unit and had waited months for an answer to queries placed with the Housing Corporation. He found corporation personnel unresponsive and negative in their dealings with him. These are the sort of concerns that I believe the Minister should know about. I believe that he would take a professional approach and attempt to resolve the problem. However, he did not.
Mr. Speaker, what did he do? it seems that he delegated and then he forgot about it because I did not hear from him again until just the day before session started. He delegated the matter to one of his senior officials in the Housing Corporation. That person delegated it to the district manager. The district manager delegated it to the staff person who had caused the problem in the first place. This person took the matter to his lawyer. Instead of getting help from the Minister, which Members expect, we did not, in resolving a particular attitude problem within the corporation.
What I did get though, was a cease and desist letter from an employee's lawyer. Who knows what they might have in store for the constituent who brought the original concern to me in the first place. What was the Minister thinking about when he responded in this way? I wondered where his management skills were. Where was his commitment to working together and his concern for constituents that he told us about on November 13? Perhaps, Mr. Speaker, as I said on Friday, his teflon is rubbing off.
I recognize the Minister wrote and apologized, Mr. Speaker, the day before the session. However, Mr. Speaker, I want the Minister and the people who he is allowing to do his job for him to know that I will not cease and desist from continuing to express my concerns on behalf of my constituents. The fact that one of his employees tried to hire a local lawyer to intimidate me makes no difference. Should other constituents come and raise their concerns with respect to the behaviour of a civil servant, I will not hesitate to communicate those concerns to the appropriate people.
My privilege to do so, as a Member of this House, is clearly defined and has been protected by court decisions in countries served by parliaments all over the world.
To confirm what type of privilege I have, through legal counsel, I was advised it was called "qualified privilege," when it is outside of the House. However, in researching cases in 1972, judgement of a case in England, the court found, and I quote, "It will be a sad day when a Member of Parliament has to look over his shoulder before ventilating to the proper authorities criticism about the work of a public servant, which he honestly believes to merit investigation." I strongly believe that all Members of this House would do no less in bringing the concerns of their constituents to the appropriate Minister.
I trust that their issues will receive a more conscientious treatment than what was displayed towards me by the Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation .
I also bud when we bring forth our concerns in this manner, that Ministers will not get so defensive to the point where they are calling Members on this side of the House "irresponsible." I find that type of conduct ignorant, at the very least. of a Minister. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Michael Ballantyne
Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Antoine .
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Workers' Compensation Board
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 529
Jim Antoine
Nahendeh
Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. (Translation) Today I would like to say a few things about the Workers' Compensation Board. For a long time many of the ordinary Members have been concerned about the Workers' Compensation Board. We have known it was too closely tied to Yellowknife and that members of the board do not understand what it is like to be a worker in a small community. We are concerned about the policies that have been developed. Sometimes it seems like those policies have lost sight of the fact that injured workers are human beings and they have feelings and fears.
We have also been concerned about the way money was spent on the administration of the Workers' Compensation Board. These concerns are outlined in the report of the Standing Committee on Agencies, Boards and Commissions. I think all Members of the House are aware that some major changes have been made. What I want to say today is John Todd is doing a good job of addressing these problems. I agree with the decisions he made about the people who should be appointed to the Workers' Compensation Board. I also agree with his statement that he will put a stop to the run away administrative costs of the board. (Translation ends)
... challenges facing him. These are difficult financial times and the workers' compensation system needs much work. I look forward to seeing the report of this special advisor and I would urge him, as I am sure my honourable colleague for Deh Cho will also do, to finalize a workable plan for providing compensation to injured harvesters and traditional artists and carvers.
I am confident the Minister will be able to move ahead to deal with these and other issues. He has certainly gained my support of the approach he has taken so far. Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker.
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Workers' Compensation Board
Item 3: Members' Statements
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The Speaker
Michael Ballantyne
Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Pudlat .
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Additional Runway Lighting For Lake Harbour
Item 3: Members' Statements
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Kenoayoak Pudlat
Baffin South
(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to express my concerns regarding the airstrip in Lake Harbour. I am requesting that this concern be solved by the Minister of Transportation . There is mountainous country surrounding my community. We are requesting, from the Minister of Transportation , more runway lighting for the runway in Lake Harbour. We would like runway lighting above the mountain at the end of the runway in Lake Harbour. Some of the pilots who go to Lake Harbour have been complaining.
In the months of October, November and December, it is very dark in my community and there are always planes coming in, except for Fridays. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like the Minister to consider putting extra runway lighting in my community. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Michael Ballantyne
Thank you, Mr. Pudlat . Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Ms. Mike .
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Return To Question 243-12(3): Social Assistance Options For Traditional Harvesters
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Page 530
Rebecca Mike
Baffin Central
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to oral question asked by Mr. Antoine on February 17 regarding assistance to traditional harvesters.
The Department of Social Services' staff are aware of the problems raised by the honourable Member and have been working with the Department of Renewable Resources' officials, who have the lead role in developing strategies to assist traditional harvesters.
The Department of Renewable Resources is currently developing a fur strategy. Their consultant is expected to submit his report by the end of March. This report will include recommendations about price stabilization, which, together with other options also being considered will be carefully reviewed in order to develop alternatives for ensuring maximum benefits to traditional harvesters.
The Department of Social Services has the mandate to ensure that the basic financial needs of all NWT residents are met. This is done by providing social assistance to people in need regardless of their circumstances. The department also works with other departments, Education, Culture and Employment, and Canada Employment and Immigration, to develop job creation opportunities. The employment enhancement initiatives which were recently transferred to the Department of Education, Culture and Employment Programs and which is managed jointly by all departments, is a prime example.
Education, Culture and Employment Programs, together with Social Services, is working on development enhancement of social assistance recipients, including those whose income is effected by the low fur yield.
The impact of this low yield on social assistance has not yet been analyzed, however, early in the next fiscal we will be undertaking a complete analysis of the recent increases in social assistance. This will include the review of the trends in the fur industry. Officials will continue to monitor any changes in social assistance and factors that impact on costs.
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Return To Question 243-12(3): Social Assistance Options For Traditional Harvesters
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Page 530
The Speaker
Michael Ballantyne
Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Koe .
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Question 294-12(3): Status Of Application For Construction Of Gas Pipeline
Item 5: Oral Questions
Page 530
Fred Koe
Inuvik
Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources . I would like to thank the Minister for making a statement today on Hondo Oil and Gas. The Mackenzie-Porcupine Pipeline Company, according to their press statement, has filed a notice of intent with the state of Alaska for a pipeline right-of-way to transport gas from the Mackenzie Delta to Alaska. In their press statement they also stated they want construction to start sometime this year with a goal to commence gas delivery in mid to late 1997. What is the status of this application to construct a gas pipeline?
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Nellie Cournoyea
Mr. Speaker, it is true there has been a filing of intent with the state of Alaska, however, as I noted in the statement on Hondo Oil and Gas, it is in the very preliminary stage. When we first heard about this venture we indicated to Hondo Oil and Gas that they should be consulting with the claimant groups in that particular area as they could possibly have their project on stream next year, but I think that would be highly unlikely and it is very ambitious.
I am sure once consultation takes place with the Delta people and the north Yukon, Old Crow people, they will find there are various environmental concerns as well as participation of these groups which will have to be considered. I would think it would be highly unlikely that their
schedule to begin construction in 1994-95 is realistic. We are going to be monitoring this very consistently. I think it could be a good thing for the groups of people who could be participants in this venture, however we all realize how difficult it is to get the funding for such a project, let alone the environmental approval and regulatory approvals that would be required. Thank you.
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Mr. Speaker, no, they have not. The advice we have given to them is that it would be in their best interest to have informal, preliminary talks with the claimant groups within the particular area that they want to export gas from. They are taking that advice but there have been no applications filed at this point.
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With a project of this type and once we receive an application, there will be a need for the governments and the aboriginal groups to have public hearings. What initiatives will this government be taking to ensure there will be effective public consultation on this project?
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Mr. Speaker, I believe we do not have a great deal of information on the particular project and we will have to gather more. This week, the deputy minister of Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources will be meeting with Hondo Oil. As well, there are scheduled meetings with the Gwich'in, Inuvialuit and individuals from Old Crow. However, once the company decides to file, the normal process will be instituted whereby the regulatory process will take over. At that point in time built into the regulatory process is the involvement of all concerned parties to take
part in the hearings. However, I believe this will be determined once these informal meetings have taken place to see precisely what is being planned by the company. We will, as a government, ensure, as with all projects of this nature, that the concerns and the involvement of the people in those areas are fully informed and involved. Thank you.
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I spent a day with the people of Gjoa Haven and attended the opening of their community complex However, the issue of bussing did come up. The concern of the community and their requirements were sent to the Department of Education. I believe the Minister responsible is looking at an overall bussing policy. This would take in the needs of not only Gjoa Haven, but also other communities with a similar situation. Thank you.
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Premier has indicated that the Minister of Education will be developing a policy. When can we expect to see this policy? Thank you.
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made by Mr. Nerysoo , so I would refer that to the Minister responsible.
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I indicated to Mr. Arngna'naaq previously, I was hoping to have a draft bussing program before the end of this fiscal year. If not, I will report back to my colleagues as to the reasons why that particular policy is not going to be considered.
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Fred Koe
Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Personnel . In the Minister's statement on February 18 regarding the long-term staff housing strategy, the Minister stated and I quote, "Finally we welcome the Assembly's review of the strategy and want Members to know that our staff is prepared to sit down with each Member of this Legislature to review the concerns of individual constituents, house by house, or case by case." I am very pleased that the Minister and his staff are willing to discuss these issues, however late, on a cow by case basis. This offer bodes well to more open government.
However, why is the Minister's staff willing to sit down with each MLA to discuss individual constituents' concerns, rather than taking the time to sit down and meet with each constituent in his/her own home?
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Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We made the offer because there are individual cases which have come to our attention and legitimate concerns which are anomalies that we need to deal with. There are cases where, for instance, power bills are unusually high and tenants have brought those to our attention. We have other cases where commitments were understood to have been made to certain tenants only to be changed, such as the case as the Member for Iqaluit brought forward last week.
The reason for making the offer, as well, is to bring to the attention of MLAs and to the tenants that they have written letters in which they make certain assertions. For instance, in my review of letters there are two which I remember of government employees who say they live in staff housing and, in fact, they do not. There are cases where very minimal rent is being paid by people who are paid very good salaries. In the course of the outcry we think there are extreme cases which the government should property deal with.
Also, there are extreme cases of people overstating the case and not presenting the full facts which should be brought to the attention of MLAs. We think this is the proper way to do it. This is the reason the suggestion was made. Thank you.
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Inuvik
To me, it makes more sense to talk directly to the tenants to clear up these misunderstandings or overstatements. Will the Minister make a commitment to have his staff available to meet with each tenant to discuss individual concerns?
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Mr. Speaker, yes. We are offering to do it at this level with the MLAs so that the MLAs who have specific cases, which they have questions or concerns about, can be dealt with on a case by case individual basis. The tenants who have raised the concerns will also be dealt with by the appropriate staff in the communities and regions. Thank you.
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Brian Lewis
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Personnel . I would have hoped this issue would have been dead by now but, dearly, it is not. Today, all Members received a letter from David Sudlovenick from Pond Inlet about the now staff housing policy. It says, 'This policy, to be blunt and to the point, is irresponsible, dishonourable and has been hastily executed because any reasonable person can see it will destroy the eastern Arctic." Mr. Speaker, this has been an issue for the past week.
On February 16, 1993, the Minister was interviewed on CBC radio and Members now have a transcript as Tabled Document 38-12(3). The transcripts show the Minister stated that this policy has been well accepted by the public. Recognizing that a record number of petitions opposing this policy have already been tabled in this House and we continue to get letters, and recognizing that there continues to be an outcry from employees and the unions across the territories, can the Minister explain why he has made public statements indicating the policy has been well accepted?
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Mr. Speaker, with the exception of a few letters, such as the one the Member is referring to, the overwhelming majority of letters and statements which have been made suggest that employees and the public accept that the government has for some years now begun to move out of staff housing and move toward creating market rents which are equitable and fair across the territories. We are in the middle of finalizing this initiative which was started some 12 years ago.
The general sentiment we get from the majority of employees, again through letters and other forms of communication, is that the public and the employees in particular are not debating the intent of the strategy, which is for government to get out of staff housing and for the government to implement equitable market
rents. The focus of the controversy and the criticism is that as a government we are perceived as moving too last. People are asking for more time. This was the intent behind the comments I made at that time. Thank you.
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Mr. Speaker, recognizing this policy includes a provision whereby the government is going to save a great deal of money if everything goes according to plan, I would like to ask the Minister whether his department has carried out any studies on the potential costs of staff turnover related to the implementation of this policy, which would have the opposite effect? In fact, instead of saving money it is going to cost you more. Thank you.
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Mr. Speaker, it is our view, based on the statistics of the past couple of years, that the percentage of turnovers which this government enjoys or suffers every year is already at about the 20 per cent range. It would almost have to come close to doubling that figure for us to question the financial value of this strategy. It is my view that the removal tariff rules and guidelines set in place a month or two ago, are going to reduce the cost of removals this year. It is going to help substantially.
We are also of the view that the majority of government employees are going to begrudgingly accept the strategy we have set out, and that it will be seen, in the course of the next few months, that the job prospects in southern Canada are dismal, to say the least.
I have asked for an informal check of the situation in other provinces. It is dismal. There are other governments which are in financially difficult times. The fact is, we are a country suffering financially. We are in a recession even though it is recorded as being over. In the end, employees will see that strategy as a fair and equitable move to put them on par with their other neighbours and friends in the communities they live in. Everyone has to pay a fair, equitable market rent and they have to accept that. It may have been better received it we had given them more time, but it will be done in any case. Thank you.
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is very evident that some people prefer death to dishonour because, as I understand, Mr. Bell has left a very good job as fire marshal to return to Saskatchewan rather than stay in the Northwest Territories. Is he assuming that there will be no more than the 20 per cent removal of people from the territories in protest against the staff housing policy?
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Mr. Speaker, the majority of employees who are being affected by this, find it as an acceptable initiative. However, there are hardship cases that have to be dealt with. For those people who feel like they are hard done by because we are asking them to pay a fair rent, they have options to move to greener pastures. I believe they will do that. I do not begrudge it. I believe that, in the end, people who want to stay in the north, who love the north and have a commitment to the north, will stick with that commitment.
I believe that the number of people who resign may publicly be perceived as leaving as a result of this strategy. In fact, there has been a high unacceptable level of turnovers for years. My view is, in the long-term this housing initiative will help stabilize the employees of the Northwest Territories.
When people start to see they can make long-term commitments, they can receive an opportunity to buy the houses that they are assigned, they will have assurance that the government will buy back their units, people will, in the and, start to see it as a real benefit to make long-term commitments to the north and not just come here for two or three years. Our own home-grown northern and aboriginal employees will also start to stabilize as they see the benefits of this initiative and reap the benefits through the home ownership programs and the sale of staff houses. Thank you.
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Mr. Morin , point of order.
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Don Morin
Tu Nedhe
Point of order, Mr. Speaker. I do not have the book to refer to, but I believe that calling a Member ignorant, which the Member did call me, is also unparliamentary, so I request an apology as well. Thank you.
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Michael Ballantyne
We have two requests for apologies. I will consider both points of order and will relay my decision to the House. I would like to say that this, again, is another example of a point of privilege that was made last week, which I will be giving my judgement in the next couple of days. It comes to the very fundamental way a Legislative Assembly works. It comes to a matter of common sense and politeness. This is a political process, it is not a debating society. However much latitude the Speaker decides to allow, it must be fair for both sides of the House. I will get back to the House as soon as possible with my judgement. Thank you. Mrs. Marie-Jewell .
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Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Perhaps calling the Minister ignorant was unparliamentary. I have not been able to see it in...
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Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thebacha
Point of order, Mr. Speaker. I cannot see the word "ignorant" in Beauchesne's, however I apologize for using that word. I should have said that I found the Minister's reply to be appalling. Thank you.
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Kenoayoak Pudlat
Baffin South
(Translation) Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism regarding the shipwreck in Sanikiluaq. I had asked this question earlier. Has anyone been sent to look at the shipwreck in Sanikiluaq? I would like a response to that question. Thank you.
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John Pollard
Hay River
Mr. Speaker, I believe that was done, but I will provide the Member with the dates, the person and the report. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Question 299-12(3): GNWT Negotiated Contracts
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Brian Lewis
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On Friday, I asked Question 285-12(3), the government policy on contracts. In reply, the Minister of Public Works, Government Services and the Housing Corporation, indicated there was no policy but, normally, a community requests to negotiate a contract. Later he indicated that a development corporation may ask to negotiate a contract. Would the Minister indicate that this forms the basis of a policy that a community and a development corporation may ask to negotiate a contract, but no one else? Is this the policy?
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Don Morin
Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Normally, it is a community or a development corporation that requests a negotiated contract, but anyone may ask for a negotiated contract. The process is, they ask and I take a paper to Cabinet to got approval to negotiate. Once Cabinet gives approval to negotiate, then my department negotiates with the community. Once they finish negotiating, it goes back to Cabinet for approval.
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Brian Lewis
Yellowknife Centre
Since there is a process whereby someone can ask to negotiate a contract, on what basis does Cabinet decide whether something should be negotiated or not? What are the parameters? What is the policy? How many groups can be invoked?
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Don Morin
Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Normally there are certain guidelines to negotiate a contract. These include, if a community is going to train a local work-force, if it is going to help the community develop a business and if all the jobs and benefits from that contract stay local or in the north. They are not allowed to use southern people in a negotiated contract. Thank you.
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Brian Lewis
Yellowknife Centre
Since Mr. Todd is not involved in the Evaz Group of Companies any more, I will ask you this. Can the Evaz Group of Companies negotiate a contract with this government, or would it be an automatic, "No, this is not a group that could be involved in negotiating a contract with this government?
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Don Morin
Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, we could negotiated with that company. Presently, we are not. Thank you.
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Question 300-12(3): Review Of The Education Act
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Mr. Nerysoo .
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Richard Nerysoo
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to indicate to the honourable Member that I am preparing the documentation to take to Cabinet for review so that we can got the direction and approval of Cabinet to proceed with the review of the Education Act.
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Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thebacha
Mr. Speaker, with respect to students' school attendance, under
section 131 (1), is the definition of a child. 'Child means a person who, on December 31 of an academic year, is between the ages of six and 15 years inclusive: 'compulsory school attendance' means the attendance of a child at school that is required by this act." According to this act, the compulsory age requirement to attend school is between the ages of six and 15. In reviewing the Education Act, would the Minister consider raising that requirement of the age to, at the very least, 17 years of age as opposed to 15 years of age? Thank you.
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Richard Nerysoo
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. All ideas and suggestions with regard to those particular issues will be sought from the people in the communities, the local education authorities, including school boards and also Members of this Assembly. It is my view that there is an obvious need to amend the Education Act, to modernize it and to recognize some of the charter responsibilities we have for providing education. Any changes that will accommodate those are in the interest of improving the educational system and the offers of good schooling and good programs and services to our students.
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Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Further to my comments with respect to the Education Act, I would like to ask the Minister, under
section 111, respecting vocational education, it indicates "Any person who has attained the age of 17 years and has been resident in the territories for at least two years is eligible to make application for admission to an adult or vocational program." Would the Minister consider, in his review of the Education Act, looking at raising that age from 17 to 19 years? Thank you.
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Again, Mr. Speaker, I would suggest that if there are any suggestions in which we can improve the Education Act, certainly those considerations will be given to the suggestions that are being made. I welcome the constructive ideas and thoughts Members have with regard to amending the Education Act. Those issues will be considered.
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Question 301-12(3): Pay Equity Negotiations
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Jim Antoine
Nahendeh
Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Personnel . On February 18, the Minister gave a Minister's statement regarding pay equity. I understand to deal with the pay equity the government was negotiating with the union. These negotiations have fallen apart because the positions were over $50 million apart. The Minister informed Members of this House that there was potential for substantial liability. Could the Minister tell the House what the plan is for dealing with this pay equity situation? Thank you.
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Mr. Speaker, the intent from the beginning was to arrive at a negotiated settlement with the union. The intent is still to see whatever is available to help us get back to the negotiating table to try to come to a settlement. In the event that does not happen, I believe we would be looking at issues such as arbitration and legal proceedings to advance our own particular arguments in the hope that we can arrive at a situation where we can look at a potential deal that would be fair and equitable to both sides. Thank you.
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The Minister was informing Members of this House that there is potential for substantial liability. I wanted to know if the Minister could tell the House how he is going to deal with this pay equity situation? Thank you.
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Mr. Speaker, the intent from the beginning was to arrive at a negotiated settlement with the union. The intent is still to see whatever is available to help us get back to the negotiating table to try to come to some sort of settlement. In the event that does not happen, I believe we would be looking at issues such as arbitration and legal proceedings to advance our own particular arguments in the hope that we can arrive at a situation where we can look at a potential deal which would be fair and equitable to both sides. Thank you.
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Jim Antoine
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For clarification, Mr. Speaker, could the Minister tell the House which union we are talking about? In his statement he mentioned a union, but he did not specify which one. Thank you.
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It is the Union of Northern Workers.
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Item 5: Oral Questions
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Jim Antoine
Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister tell the House what kind of time frame we are looking at in terms of deciding whether we are going to arbitrate or take legal proceedings? Thank you.
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Mr. Speaker, we are currently doing an assessment of the situation and I will be briefing the Cabinet shortly on the options which I think are available and the implications of the various options we may have. I am really not at liberty to get into detail because it is still, in my view, a subject of negotiations. With those general comments, that is the best I can respond to the Member at this time.
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Michael Ballantyne
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Question 302-12(3): Additional Social Services Counsellor For Gjoa Haven
Item 5: Oral Questions
Page 535
Ningark
(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to direct my question to the Minister of Social Services . My question is in regard to Gjoa Haven. In Gjoa Haven there is a social worker who only deals with social assistance. Presently, because the community is growing, I think they should deal with counselling. Has the Minister received a letter from the hamlet of Gjoa Haven requesting three counsellors in the community? Has she received that letter and will she look into this further? Thank you.
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Michael Ballantyne
Ms. Mike .
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Rebecca Mike
Baffin Central
(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have not received the letter to date, but I will look into it further. Thank you.
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Michael Ballantyne
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Question 303-12(3): Ministers' Travel Throughout The Nwt
Item 5: Oral Questions
Page 535
Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thebacha
Mr. Speaker, I have a question for the Government Leader . Mr. Speaker, some time in December I asked the Government Leader for a duty travel list of the previous Minister of Culture and Communications, the Minister of Education and the current Minister of Renewable Resources, and that was provided to me last week by the Government
Leader. Mr. Speaker, in reviewing this list I have noticed an extensive amount of travel to the east by this particular Minister. I would like to ask the Government Leader , does she have a mechanism in place that ensures her Ministers travel in an equitable manner to both the eastern and western parts of the territories? Thank you.
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The Speaker
Michael Ballantyne
Madam Premier .
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Nellie Cournoyea
Mr. Speaker, no, we do not have a guideline or a policy that tells the Minister where and when to travel. Each Minister, within his portfolio, should be looking at the global situation in the Northwest Territories and be responsible to take into consideration the requests that he or she has in responding to the various meetings and activities they have been requested to attend, but there is no quota system. Thank you.
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Michael Ballantyne
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Item 5: Oral Questions
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Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In reviewing the reply to my written question, I have looked at, for example, six trips to Iqaluit alone compared to one trip or even three trips to the western part of the Arctic. I would like to ask the Government Leader it she would consider setting up some type of guideline that would allow Ministers to make sure they look at their travel, and travel just as extensively to the west as opposed to one particular area in the territories? Thank you.
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Michael Ballantyne
Ms. Cournoyea .
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Item 5: Oral Questions
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Nellie Cournoyea
Mr. Speaker, I can certainly do that, but in this last year we have been meeting quite often in Yellowknife. I know many meetings have been held with the Ministers during session, with delegations either coming from the Sahtu, the Delta and Dogrib areas, so many meetings have been held in Yellowknife because many Ministers have been here in the past year and a half. We can look at that. I think everybody would want to be sure when they are holding certain portfolios that they treat each region in the Northwest Territories fairly.
I know the Kitikmeot has raised some questions on why we do not go to that particular area more often. In the coming months we will be looking at travel schedules to see that we more evenly distribute the presence of the government within the different regions. Thank you.
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Michael Ballantyne
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Question 304-12(3): Incurred Costs For Proposed Payroll Tax
Item 5: Oral Questions
Page 536
Fred Koe
Inuvik
Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Finance . In the last session, under Bill 14 , Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 3,1992-93, the Minister requested some start-up funding for the proposed Payroll Tax Act, specifically .3 PYs and $155,000. Subsequently, in committee of the whole, by Motion 47-12(3), this request was deleted. Can the Minister advise this House whether or not the Department of Finance has incurred any costs in the 1992-93 fiscal year for the development and/or pre-implementation of the proposed payroll tax?
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Michael Ballantyne
Mr. Pollard .
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John Pollard
Hay River
Mr. Speaker, beyond preparing information for the Standing Committee on Finance, for this Legislature, for the budget speech or beyond answering questions which have come in from either companies or individuals, no, there has not been anything further done in this regard.
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Michael Ballantyne
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Fred Koe
Inuvik
Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Has anyone been hired specifically to work on the Payroll Tax Act?
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John Pollard
Hay River
Mr. Speaker, not to my knowledge. Thank you.
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Fred Koe
Inuvik
If the Minister is not currently aware, will he make a commitment to us to find out whether anyone has been hired to work on the payroll tax?
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Michael Ballantyne
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Question 305-12(3): Cost Of Living Research
Item 5: Oral Questions
Page 536
Ningark
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Premier . In the past few weeks we seem to be comparing prices between Yellowknife and the smaller communities. I wonder if the government is prepared to do research in the area of cost of living between Yellowknife and the smaller communities and to report to this House on its finding? Thank you.
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Michael Ballantyne
Madam Premier .
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Nellie Cournoyea
Mr. Speaker, yes we can do this.
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Michael Ballantyne
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Question 306-12(3): Accumulated Surplus In 1992
Item 5: Oral Questions
Page 537
Brian Lewis
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I refer to the budget address, a graph on page 20 indicates that in 1992 we had an accumulated surplus of over $30 million. What has reduced this $30 million of accumulated surplus which we had Lad year?
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Michael Ballantyne
Mr. Pollard .
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John Pollard
Hay River
Mr. Speaker, we will run a deficit in this fiscal year of some $26.8 million, which is $1.8 million higher than I had anticipated. This will eat away at the $20 million surplus. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Michael Ballantyne
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Question 19-12(3): Business Travel Undertaken By Cabinet Ministers
Item 6: Written Questions
Page 537
Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Government Leader provide to this House a detailed list of all business travel for the past 12 months done by all her Ministers? Thank you.
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Question 19-12(3): Business Travel Undertaken By Cabinet Ministers
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Page 537
The Speaker
Michael Ballantyne
Item 6, written questions. Item 7, returns to written questions. Item 8, replies to opening address. Item 9, replies to budget address. Item 10, petitions. Mr. Kakfwi .
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Item 10: Petitions
Item 10: Petitions
Page 537
Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to table Petition 10-12(3) from the constituents of the Sahtu. The petition states,
Whereas the need for a ground transportation system in the western Arctic has been identified by all levels of government since the early 1960s and continues to be a priority today.
Whereas the Canadian government announced the commencement of the Mackenzie Valley Highway in 1972 and construction was started on this important transportation link to the north.
Whereas the economic need for a highway system has never been greater than it is today.
Whereas the government has transferred responsibility for northern road construction but not funding to the Government of the Northwest Territories. Therefore we request that both the federal and territorial governments accept their joint responsibilities to the residents of the Mackenzie Valley Corridor and commence discussions now to prepare the phased implementation plan for completion of the highway to Fort Norman, Norman Wells, Fort Good Hope and north to tie in with the existing highway south of Inuvik. Furthermore we recommend that these discussions take place with the involvement of northerners and include a construction time table to completion."
Mr. Speaker, the petition is signed by 363 residents of the Sahtu and western Arctic. There are signatures of people from other parts of the Northwest Territories. The petition has also been tabled in the House of Commons by the Member of Parliament, Ethel Blondin.
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Item 10: Petitions
Item 10: Petitions
Page 537
The Speaker
Michael Ballantyne
Item 10, petitions. Item 11, reports of standing and special committees. Mr. Antoine .
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Committee Report 11-12(3): The Standing Committee On Finance, Report On The Review Of 1993-94 Main Estimates
Item 11: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees
Page 537
Jim Antoine
Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Standing Committee on Finance is pleased to submit its report on the review of the 1993-94 Main Estimates for the Government of the Northwest Territories.
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The Speaker
Michael Ballantyne
Please proceed, Mr. Antoine .
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Item 11: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees
Page 537
Jim Antoine
Nahendeh
Thank you. Members of the Standing Committee on Finance believe the comments and recommendations contained in this report are critical to the positive evolution of the Legislative Assembly. This review has been comprehensive. Our previous review occurred in the contend of a new government, a short time frame and a focus on major restructuring.
The Standing Committee on Finance recognizes the government's initiatives in reducing the deficit and tackling a number of emerging issues. We acknowledge the