Debates of March 2nd, 2020

This is page numbers 393 - 436 of the Hansard for the 19th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was communities .

Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

Conservation Network Gathering

Colorectal Cancer Awareness Month

Fort Good Hope Seniors Complex

Minister Absent from the House

Northview Real Estate Investment Trust Purchase

Access to Information and Protection of Privacy Act Implementation

P3 Projects in the Northwest Territories

Seniors in Long-Term Care

Municipal Land Transfers

Support for Seniors Aging in Place

New Federal Child and Family Services Legislation

Income Security in the Northwest Territories

Service to Residents of Nunakput

Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Mr. O'Reilly's Reply

Ms. Martselos' Reply

Stanton Territorial Hospital P3 Partnership

Municipal Land Transfers

Private Cannabis Retailers

Question 126-19(2) Access to Information and Protection of Privacy Act Implementation

Question 127-19(2) New Federal Child and Family Services Legislation

Mental Health and Wellness of Seniors in Long-term Care

Housing for Seniors Aging in Place

Housing for Seniors with Mobility Issues

Protected Areas

Grants in Lieu of Taxes

Memorandum of Understanding for Municipal Land Transfers

Release of Names of those Involved in RCMP Drug Operations

Tabled Document 46-19(2): Follow-up Letter for Oral Question 3-19(1): Tracking Post-Secondary Student Accomplishments

Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Report Of The Committee Of The Whole

Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Hon. Paulie Chinna , Ms. Cleveland , Hon. Caroline Cochrane , Ms. Green , Mr. Jacobson , Mr. Johnson , Mr. Lafferty , Ms. Martselos , Mr. Norn , Mr. O'Reilly , Ms. Semmler , Hon. R.J. Simpson , Mr. Rocky Simpson , Hon. Diane Thom, Hon. Shane Thompson , Hon. Caroline Wawzonek .

The House met at 1:30 p.m.

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Prayer

Prayer

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The Deputy Speaker

Lesa Semmler

Item 2, Ministers' statements. Minister of Environment and Natural Resources .

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Minister's Statement 24-19(2): Conservation Network Gathering

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Shane Thompson

Nahendeh

Madam Speaker. The 19 th Legislative Assembly believes our decisions must reflect a full understanding of our communities and regions. It is our responsibility to ensure that the needs of our residents are reflected in the decisions that will impact them. This is especially important when it comes to decisions about the land, Madam Speaker. That's why our northern Indigenous governments and communities are at the heart of our northern approach to establishing and managing protected areas.

The Northwest Territories is a leader in Canada when it comes to conservation plans. We work closely with our Indigenous partners to protect the Northwest Territories' natural and cultural diversity. Today, I am pleased to tell you about a gathering that was held in Yellowknife recently to help advance this work.

On February 26 and 27, 2020, the Department of Environment and Natural Resources hosted this territorial first Conservation Network Gathering. The idea behind this gathering, Madam Speaker, is to share experiences and build partnerships to manage territorial protected areas under the new Protected Areas Act.

More than 100 partners from across the Northwest Territories took

part in the two-day gathering, including Indigenous governments and organizations, territorial and federal departments, funders, academics, and conservation leaders from across Canada. Topics discussed included:

new ideas in conservation and stewardships;

the role of Indigenous guardians; and

on-the-land success stories.

They also talked about the financial reality of protected areas and best practices for management and research. "Healthy land, healthy people" is our five-year plan for conservation network planning. It lays out how the Government of the Northwest Territories is moving forward together with its partners to protect the integrity of our northern ecosystems. Protected areas can also provide new job opportunities for small communities. Madam Speaker, the guardian programs, land-based products, and cultural tourism are all ways we can expand and diversify our economy.

Over the upcoming months, Environment and Natural Resources will work closely with our partners to develop a new "healthy land, healthy people" work plan to guide us over the next five years. Madam Speaker, we need to hear from all stakeholders as we determine a path forward. That is why I am pleased to confirm that we have secured federal funding for the next three years to make the Conservation Network Gathering an annual event.

Madam Speaker, we look forward to working together to develop the next made-in-the-North conservation work plan to keep our land healthy for current and future Northerners and visitors to enjoy. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Ministers' statements. Minister of Health and Social Services .

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Minister's Statement 25-19(2): Colorectal Cancer Awareness Month

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Diane Archie

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. We all want better health for our families and communities. The choices we make are important for our overall health and well-being. By eating good, being physically active, reducing the amount of alcohol we drink, living tobacco-free, and making healthy choices, we can help reduce the risk of getting chronic disease like cancer.

Cancer is the leading cause of death in Canada, and it is important that we talk about it. Over the past few decades, we have learned more about cancer, which is resulting in more people surviving than ever before. This is why it is important to observe cancer awareness months.

Madam Speaker, this month is Colorectal Awareness Month, and it is dedicated to raising awareness about colorectal cancer and honouring those who have been affected by this disease. Colorectal cancer is preventable; it's treatable. Yet here in the Northwest Territories, the incidence of being diagnosed with colorectal cancer is twice the rate than in the rest of Canada. Many people are unaware that they can reduce the risk of getting it with timely screening and healthy lifestyles.

Madam Speaker, the best protection we have against colorectal cancer is early detection. Taking a fecal immunochemical test, or FIT test, is the easiest way for Northwest Territories residents to learn if they are at risk of colorectal cancer. In an effort to improve screening and early detection, "one and done" FIT screening is an effort to improve screening and early detection. It was introduced in 2018. This approach makes it easier for people to collect a sample at home and return it to their healthcare provider. The FIT test, which you can easily do at home, is recommended for residents ages 50 to 74 and should be completed at least every two years.

To increase screening rates for colorectal cancer in our territory, Northwest Territories Health and Social Services Authority just launched a pilot project in February to mail FIT screening kits to eligible residents. The pilot project focuses on the Beaufort-Delta region. If the approach is successful, it will be expanded across the territory. Our aim is to increase the participation screening rate to meet the national goal of 60 percent.

Madam Speaker, we have also distributed community cancer awareness kits to community health representatives. Health care staff can use these comprehensive kits in their communities to raise awareness and have conversations with residents about the importance of early screening and healthy living.

While it is important to improve screening rates and to communicate directly about cancer with Northwest Territories residents, it is also critical that we support those patients who are battling cancer right now. We know that the emotional and physical effects of cancer can make it difficult for patients to process information. To help support patients and families, the NWT Health Authority has hired and trained two full-time cancer Nurse Navigators. The Nurse Navigators are specially trained to help patients and their families through their cancer journey.

In closing, Madam Speaker, I want to encourage all residents, particularly those aged 50 to 74, to speak to their health care providers about getting screened. Let us work together to promote healthy living, reduce the risk of colorectal cancer and other cancers, and support those who are living with it. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 25-19(2): Colorectal Cancer Awareness Month

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The Deputy Speaker

Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Ministers' statements. Minister responsible for Northwest Territories Housing Corporation .

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Minister's Statement 26-19(2): Fort Good Hope Seniors Complex

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Paulie Chinna

Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Supporting the housing needs of seniors is very important to our people in our communities. To do this, a key approach to support our elders is to recognize their desire to have friends and family close by as they age and to remain in familiar surroundings.

Having those strong networks of your long-time friends and family around you has impacts on your health and your age. Having the support to age in place in your home community will improve the quality of life for seniors and may prevent early admission to long-term care facilities.

I am pleased to advise Members that we will be ready to open the new Fort Good Hope Seniors' Centre this spring. This centre is the last of five centres that were designed in conjunction with the Department of Health and Social Services, taking into consideration local guidance and input. The development of these units has improved the lives of seniors in Aklavik, Fort Liard, Fort McPherson, Whati, and soon Fort Good Hope.

These complexes feature eight units that will be occupied by seniors and one unit will be designated as a caretaker unit. An on-site caretaker improves the safety and security of the building. As part of these designs, these buildings feature common areas where therapeutic and lifestyle programming can be delivered for seniors. The designs include non-step entrances to suites, wider doors, and common spaces that are used for delivery of Health and Social Services programming.

Madam Speaker, seniors are the bedrock of our lives. They have been there for us since the day we were born. They have given so much to us. Their knowledge, their guidance and their love. As such, we needed to take the time and use the necessary resources to ensure that these units were built to the best standard available. It is important that we give back to the ones that have given us so much. I look forward to opening this facility and celebrating with elders and their families as they move in to their new home. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 26-19(2): Fort Good Hope Seniors Complex

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The Deputy Speaker

Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Ministers' statements. Madam Premier .

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Minister's Statement 27-19(2): Minister Absent from the House

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Caroline Cochrane

Range Lake

Madam Speaker, I wish to advise Members that the Honourable Katrina Nokleby will be absent from the House today and tomorrow to attend the Prospectors and Developers Association of Canada Conference in Toronto, Ontario. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Member for Yellowknife North .

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Northview Real Estate Investment Trust Purchase

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Rylund Johnson

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Speaker. In light of Starlight Investments and KingSett Capital's recent intention to purchase Northview Real Estate, thus making the two largest landlords in Yellowknife. One, I wanted to read an open letter to CEO Jon Love of KingSett Capital and CEO Daniel Drimmer of Starlight Investments.

Congratulations on your intention to purchase Northview Real Estate Investment Trust for $4.8 billion. I wish to inform you that, upon closing this deal, you will own a small city in the subarctic called Yellowknife.

Yellowknife also happens to be the capital city of the Northwest Territories. I invite you to come and visit sometime. It's a beautiful place. In case you were not aware, Northview presently owns the majority of rental apartment units in Yellowknife, and when combining their commercial stock with KingSett's current Yellowknife stock, you will own the majority of commercial leasing space, as well. I have attached a picture of our downtown core to show you all the buildings you will own, one of which KingSett has managed to keep vacant for almost a decade. It recently had its siding fall off; I have attached that picture for you, as well.

Additionally, congratulations on your intention to purchase a company which is our city's leader in residential tenancies violations. When you come visit our town, I hope you will visit the various Northview apartments that have been left in disrepair due to rent money flowing south to fuel other capital investments. Before you purchase our city, I wanted to ensure that you are aware of the fact that the majority of Yellowknifers have, at some point, lived or worked in one of the buildings in this deal, and I have yet to ever hear a single positive thing about that fact.

My apologies, Dan. I know you have significant amount of investment in Northview, but I hope, as our new landlords, we can start a fresh and do some work to repair the relationship with our residents.

Now I recognize that by design real estate is first and foremost an investment for your companies and the fact that people live and work in your property is secondary; but I would hope you both put something extra in for exceptional cases such as this.

As I am sure you are aware the North is an exceptional market. The capitalization rate for Northview's Northern Canada holdings is 9.17 percent which is 55 percent higher than its overall capitalization rate and 40 percent higher than its next most profitable region. Of course KingSett, as a private equity fund for institutional and ultra-high net worth investors, does not have the transparency of an exchange-traded REIT like Northview, such that similar information is not publicly available for Kingsett's current holdings in northern Canada.

Madam Speaker, I am seeking unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

I also note that Northview's current market power, combined with Kingsett's market share, is an index that will make Yellowknife one the most highly concentrated real estate markets in Canada.

Dan, Jon, we all know this deal is not really about Yellowknife. There are so many assets in your combined multi-billion-dollar portfolios that I wouldn't expect you to ever know them all by city. I am hopeful that this letter, despite its sarcastic tone, can start a conversation. There are a variety of remedies available that will ensure the acquisition of Northview can allow some competition to once again exist in our northern capital. I have brought this market share issue to the Competition Bureau of Canada's attention on multiple occasions.

I encourage you to reach out the them and divest some of Yellowknife assets in this deal, ideally on a small enough scale to allow local ownership in a city which is desperately in need of competition and local developers. At the very least, perhaps you could try and do something about that 10-storey vacant tower that you own.

Yours truly, Rylund Johnson , MLA for Yellowknife North.

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The Deputy Speaker

Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Members' statements. Member for Frame Lake .

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Access to Information and Protection of Privacy Act Implementation

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Kevin O'Reilly

Frame Lake

Merci, Madam la Presidente. In June 2019, the Assembly passed historic changes to the Access to Information Protection of Privacy Act that had been in the works since 2012. The then- Minister of Justice worked well with standing committee, and we now have very good legislation; in fact, it may be the best in Canada. There was extensive consultation with GNWT departments, public bodies, the Information and Privacy Commissioner, as well as the general public.

Feedback received during the course of these consultations, including the Information and Privacy Commissioner's extensive submission, and recommendations identified by the standing committee were thoroughly considered and informed the development of the bill. Mandatory exemptions were reduced, the jurisdiction of the Information and Privacy Commissioner was clarified giving that officer the ability to issue binding orders, and the act will apply to municipal governments, as suggested by several parties over many years.

What is not clear is the Minister's plans for implementing the recommendations as documented in the November 2016 "what we heard" report from public consultations. These issues included fee reductions, training, identification of classes of records that do not require an ATIPP application, and many more.

When I asked the former Minister of Justice about fee reductions on June 6, 2019, he responded by saying:

the initial fee for general requests would be dropped from $25 to $10;

there would be 10 free hours of processing for general requests;

photocopy charges would be dropped to 10 cents per page; and

personal information charges would be kept at $25, but the number of free pages would be increased from 100 to 200.

Madam Speaker, we're still waiting for these changes. I will have questions for the Minister of Justice on the next steps of implementing the amendments passed in the last Assembly to the Access to Information and Protections of Privacy Act. Mahsi, Madam Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Members' statements. Member for Thebacha .

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P3 Projects in the Northwest Territories

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Martsellos

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My statement today is about P3 Projects in the Northwest Territories. Following the public technical briefing on the new Stanton Territorial Hospital, which took place on February 11, 2020, officials within the Departments of Health and Social Services and Infrastructure confirmed a series of pervading issues that have been plaguing the new building since it opened in May 2019.

Madam Speaker, for clarification the initial amount designated for the new hospital was $350 million, according to the media release of October 1, 2015. This project over the 35-year period, which includes the old Stanton Legacy Building, will now cost $751 million plus. The operating and maintenance contract is also included in this P3. Boreal Health Partnership and Dexterra are the main proponents in this agreement.

According to the officials of the Departments of Health and Social Services and Infrastructure this agreement/contract is being defended as a good agreement despite it putting our future governance and our people of the NWT in a very crucial financial deficit because of a very dysfunctional agreement, decisions and final signoffs being done improperly on behalf of the people of the NWT. However, as an MLA who is concerned about P3s, I think the figure that the Department of Finance provided is neither concrete nor precise and that it will cost much more than that.

As all MLAs have experienced, we have had a couple of supplements in this 19 th Assembly already.

Could I have unanimous consent to continue my statement, Madam Speaker?

---Unanimous consent granted

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Martsellos

Madam Speaker, accountability and transparency are extremely important when dealing with public money. The money that is being used belongs to the people of the NWT. Most of the P3s are contracted with southern companies and the money flows south with little benefit to people of the NWT. P3s can be a positive way of doing business if we're dealing with northern companies or Indigenous groups and the detailed agreements are firm, signed off properly, and all the monies stay in the North. I will be asking questions to the Minister of Finance on this issue. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Members' statements. Member for Hay River South .

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Seniors in Long-Term Care

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Rocky Simpson

Hay River South

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to talk about seniors, and more specifically, to those seniors residing in the care facilities operated by this government.

Madam Speaker, prior to her passing, my mother lived in one of those facilities for a number of years. She was somewhat reluctant to move in at first, but once she was settled and realized that some of her friends were there, it became easier to adjust. While living in the facility, she was always visited and surrounded by family and friends. This was very important to her.

However, Madam Speaker, not all seniors have family and/or friends, and thereby find themselves alone. Although my mother is no longer in the facility in Hay River, I still try and visit the people there and take some of the foods that they probably shouldn't have, because it is about respect for our seniors, their quality of life, and it is the right thing to do.

Madam Speaker, when I visit these seniors, some may or may not remember me, but one thing they all have in common is that they are pleased to be able to have a conversation with someone. They all have stories to tell. They all have family members somewhere, and they will let you know how much they miss those members, and how proud they are of them.

We expect our staff to interact with the residents. They are busy as well, however, the staff have tasks they have to accomplish throughout their shift during the day. There are activity coordinators on site who also interact and provide the residents of its facility with recreational opportunities. The number of staff is not sufficient to provide the personal interaction time the residents need.

I'm not asking for more staff as it is important that in addition to families, we should look at engaging the community. It may be as simple as encouraging the local seniors' society, students, or businesses that would be willing to offer a few hours of their time to visit, which I know the seniors would find rewarding.

Madam Speaker, the seniors in these facilities or who may be at home alone need that social interaction. They need to be physically active. They need to feel like they can still contribute. They need to be shown they matter, and most important, they need to know they are loved. Madam Speaker, we have to slow down and reflect on what is important to us, and remember exactly why we are here. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Members' statements. Member for Kam Lake .

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Municipal Land Transfers

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Caitlin Cleveland

Kam Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The process of land transfers to municipal governments is not working. It prevents municipal governments from having the authority and autonomy to make timely land use decisions within municipal boundaries and impedes business development. In addition, YKDFN is now trading land with the City of Yellowknife, essentially removing the GNWT from the process.

Twenty-five years ago, MACA helped community governments develop land use plans and administered lands within municipal boundaries. MACA has long since devolved the responsibility for developing community land use plans to municipal councils, but the planning and administration process remains regressive and paternalistic.

The Community Planning and Development Act explains that a community plan guides the physical growth and development of the community. Under that act, a municipality must submit its plan to the Minister of MACA for approval before it has any force and effect. The act requires the plan be developed in consultation with a professional community planner so, Madam Speaker, why is the Minister's approval still required?

If an individual or Yellowknife business owner needs land, they must approach the city for a parcel of land within city boundaries. The city must then turn to the Department of Lands to seek access to that land through fee simple title transfer or land lease.

The current turnaround time for land transfers between Lands and the City of Yellowknife is an average of six to 10 months. During this time, if an application is declined or a secondary piece of land is suggested, the process and timelines start over. If the project requires new or conditional zoning, then there is an additional processes the city must go through.

If the city had fee simple tenure on land, the City of Yellowknife could sell or lease city land to the individual or business without the six to 10 months required for GNWT approvals, therefore allowing businesses to be more responsive to economic development opportunities including remediation projects from the federal government and tourism development driven by the GNWT. If efficient community planning is our concern, then, it is not clear to me what is gained by the MACA Minister needing to approve the city's community plan every year along with any revisions.

The Minister of Lands has indicated a willingness to make progress in this area, and I look forward to continuing this conversation with them. It will require leadership, collaboration between the departments of Lands, MACA, and EIA, along with a clear terms of reference and guidelines and timelines, as well. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Kam Lake . Members' statements. Member for Monfwi .

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Support for Seniors Aging in Place

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Masi, Madam Speaker. [Translation] Madam Speaker, I want to talk about senior citizens. We want the best for our seniors, and that's why we are speaking up, and the Premier had just given out the priorities, and one of them is elders. Sometimes, the elders' private home furnaces don't work. We want to make people aware of that to help them. [Translation ends]

Today, I would like to walk the talk and discuss something that is very important to me, and that is carrying for our seniors in the Northwest Territories; more specifically, my region. Madam Speaker, On February 7 th , the Premier tabled the 2019-2023 Mandate for the Government of the Northwest Territories. That mandate included 22 priorities for this government to focus on for the next three and a half years. One of them happens to be allowing or enabling seniors to age in their place with dignity.

Under that priority, this government committed to increasing supports for seniors to stay in their homes and also in their communities. This government also committed to funding actions to remove community-level barriers to aging in place.

Madam Speaker, many seniors in our communities are having difficulty maintaining their homes, and I believe that we need to step up to assist them more so that our seniors can, in fact, age in place with dignity.

Madam Speaker, I will have questions for the Minister responsible for Northwest Territories Housing Corporation at the appropriate time. Masi.

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The Deputy Speaker

Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Monfwi . Members' statements. Member for Yellowknife Centre .

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New Federal Child and Family Services Legislation

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Julie Green

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Speaker. On January 1 st this year, a new and unprecedented piece of federal legislation came into effect. Canada is now legislating Indigenous child welfare in an area that is a provincial and territorial responsibility. The purpose of

An Act Respecting First Nations, Inuit and Metis Children, Youth and Families is to recognize the inherent right Indigenous people have over child and family services and to set national standards in this area. In short, Indigenous children should grow up with their families, immersed in their culture and language.

Madam Speaker, I am going to review some of the highlights of this legislation as context for asking the Minister of Health and Social Services how this act aligns with the standards of the child and family services legislation in the NWT. The federal government started consultation on this act two years ago, following an acknowledgement that Indigenous children and youth are overrepresented in care. In fact, it is often repeated that there are more children living away from their families in care now than there were in residential schools.

Madam Speaker, the act applies to all Indigenous children with

Section 35 rights, no matter where in Canada they reside. It speaks to the importance of reuniting children with their families and communities. It details the principle of the best interests of the child and requires primary consideration of the child's safety and well-being as well as preserving an ongoing relationships with family and the culture to which the child belongs.

Madam Speaker, the federal government has established mechanisms for Indigenous government organizations to become self-governing in child welfare. If there is no Indigenous child and family law in place, workers need to make "reasonable efforts" to keep the child within the family or extended family and to place the child with an adult from a different Indigenous group or any other adult as a last resort. It also provides for ongoing reassessments, with specific timelines, to determine whether it's appropriate for a child placed outside the family to be reunited with them. All of this sounds good, but much depends on implementation and funding, both of which need to be sorted out.

Madam Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement. Thank you.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Julie Green

Yellowknife Centre

Madam Speaker, this is an area of historic conflict. I hope that with 1,000 Indigenous children in care in the NWT, Indigenous government organizations will lead the way in self-government in child and family services. I will have questions for the Minister of Health and Social Services . Mahsi.

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Thank you, Member. Members' statements. Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh .

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Income Security in the Northwest Territories

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Steve Norn

Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Mahsi cho, Madam Speaker. Today, I would like to talk about financial security and the high cost of living in the Northwest Territories. Last week, on Friday, February 28, 2020, the NWT Bureau of Statistics released a report on the state of financial security for residents of the NWT. The findings were based on the results of the 2019 NWT Community Survey. Overall, the results were pretty bleak, in my opinion, for many people across the territory.

Madam Speaker, 20 percent of households, that's one out of every five households across the NWT, have reported they had difficulties in making ends meet for their household expenses in terms of transportation, food, clothing, housing, and other expenses. The data also states that 23 percent of households reported that they were either "often" or "sometimes" worried about having enough money for food at any given time over the previous 12 months.

Madam Speaker, we as a Legislature need to start addressing these issues, and better sooner rather than later because, as I've said once already in a previous Member's statement, there are many folks across the NWT who live on very tight and fixed budgets. The results of this survey only confirm what I've said before.

Madam Speaker, there are no simple solutions to reducing the cost of living for our people. This is a multi-faceted issue that will need discipline and political will to properly addressed them and overcome them. This daunting issue will be addressed with a whole-of-government approach, starting first with the home, with prudent budgeting of household finances; followed by actions by local leaders, businesses, and us as legislators.

You've seen the like in news reports before, about the high cost of foods and stuff. I would love to see a show like the Price is Right come up here and to really highlight how much our food costs. I would like to see the Price is Right to go up to Tulita and say, "Oh, my god. There is a watermelon here. It cannot be $40 for a watermelon," just to drive home the point that a lot of us are trying to make. It's just too much to make ends meet for a lot of our residents, and I am hoping we can do that.

In closing, Madam Speaker, our goals must be simple, measurable, and achievable: lower costs of living, keep people in the North, and aim for people to thrive and not just to survive. Mahsi cho, Madam Speaker.

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Thank you, Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh . Members' statements. Member for Nunakput .

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Service to Residents of Nunakput

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Thank you, Madam Speaker. This morning, I woke up and I said, "Why, why am I here?" I am here, Madam Speaker, for my constituents in Nunakput and to make a difference across our territory. I am here for our elders, our youth, all residents in the territory and the Beaufort-Delta. I am here to serve Nunakput, Madam Speaker. I listen and try to make a difference in our constituents' lives, that we could try to make a change and help them with their tough tasks that they have ahead of them, which sometimes feel like mountains, so big that they can't change, but we are here to change it.

Anyone who asks for help from us, we are here to serve. That is our job. We are here to serve. We are here to listen.

When you take a look back, the jobs that we lack, we have to stimulate our economy. We need jobs. We need housing. The cost of housing, rental scale, everything, that has to be looked at, lower cost of living, income support, elders' facilities so we can take care of our elders in our home communities, supporting our local governments to make their jobs easier and not stretching them so far that they cannot provide service.

I will do my job to hold this House and this government accountable, Madam Speaker. I will hold them accountable, but I will work together with them to make a better NWT. We have to take a step back and look in the mirror, every one of us, and ask ourselves why we are here. We are here to work together to serve the people, and we are put in a position that we are blessed to be here, to serve all 33 communities across our great territory. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Nunakput . Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery.

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Lesa Semmler

I would like to recognize my husband, Jozef Carnogursky, today. He is here to visit me. Member for Frame Lake .

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Kevin O'Reilly

Frame Lake

Merci, Madame la Presidente. I want to recognize my good friend Chris O'Brien, who splits his time between Yellowknife and Toronto. He and I filed the first and only successful request for an investigation under the Environmental Rights Act on April 22, 1991, into air pollution from Giant Mine. Mahsi, Madam Speaker.

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to welcome my beautiful wife, Jenny, and my son Joseph into the House today. I am so blessed to have them down here. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

Lesa Semmler

Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, replies to budget address (day 5 of 7). Member for Frame Lake .

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Mr. O'Reilly's Reply

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Kevin O'Reilly

Frame Lake

Merci, Madam la Presidente. The Member for Yellowknife North has set a high standard for the replies to the budget address, so I want to recognize his passion and insights. I'm not sure I can come anywhere close to that performance, but I do wish to encourage all my fellow regular MLAs to use this opportunity to set forth their views on the budget, our fiscal situation, and how to translate our priorities and mandate into action through this first budget of the 19 th Assembly.

I will use my reply to the budget address to set out some thoughts on the following:

A quick

summary of the 2020-2021 budget;

High-level observations on the process for the 2020-2021 budget;

Comments on the fiscal strategy;

What is not in the 2020-2021 budget; and

Concluding remarks.

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summary of the 2020-2021 budget and fiscal context. The 2020-2021 budget is a refreshing change from the budgets and practices of the previous Assembly and Cabinet. Although the framework for this budget was set by the previous Assembly, there are no new cuts to programs and services to fund infrastructure. This budget is pretty much status quo, with only $94 million of new spending, or about 5 percent of the total budget, most of the new spending is tied to matching federal funding and forced growth through increases arising from the recent collective agreements. I agree and can support most of the new spending in this budget including the following:

Increased funding for mental health and new long-term care beds at the old Stanton hospital;

More funding for the Arctic Energy Alliance for energy conservation and use of renewables;

An increase in the funding for Environment and Natural Resources after continuous and devastating cuts of 10 percent over four year. This increased funding often comes from the federal government, but is welcome support for caribou and protected areas;

Funding to turn the integrated case management pilot into a permanent program, which I strongly support;

Creation of a specialized territorial support team to assist with youth mental health and additional funding for the successful Northern Distance Learning program;

Negotiation of a co-management regime for offshore oil and gas, even if there is zero prospect and interest in this activity; and

A small increase in funding for the NWT Housing Corporation with its growing gap in core housing needs across the Northwest Territories.

About the budget process, Madam Speaker, I can say that the relationship and negotiations with Cabinet over this budget have been cordial and respectful, a much different and welcome change from the last four years. The real crunch has yet to happen in terms of what is to be put forward in a supplemental appropriation to begin to deal with the mandate and the priorities of regular MLAs.

It was difficult to jump into main estimates without more detailed business plans this time around. MLAs were asked to approve millions of dollars of expenditures without adequate justification or explanation in some cases. I do look forward to an approach of four-year rolling plans that will allow greater transparency and accountability.

Some comments, now, Madam Speaker on the fiscal context. Despite the attempts by the Finance Minister to paint a picture of financial stability and sustainability, there are very dark clouds on the horizon. The Minister said that we will exceed the federal borrowing limit of $1.3 billion by 2020-2021. The operating surpluses, which are required for spending on capital projects or infrastructure, will crash dramatically from $203 million this year to only $3 million in 2023-2024. This drop is due to declining revenues, and, in my view, over-spending on capital projects initiated by the last Cabinet, which put roads over people.

The Finance Minister has promised creativity, innovation, and systematic evaluation of programs and services. This will take time and extraordinary focus. It cannot possibly make up the fiscal shortfall, or make a complete strategy moving forward. Put simply, we need more revenues to continue to provide the current level of programs and services, let alone the promises made in the mandate. The Finance Minister has said we have $25 million to work with to begin to make progress on the mandate over the next four years. That's only about a quarter of the new spending in the 2020-2021 budget alone.

The Finance Minister has not shared a costing of the mandate items, despite having been asked that several times. What we do know is that each of the large infrastructure projects, Taltson expansion, the Slave Geological Province Road, and the Mackenzie Valley Highway, will cost a lot more than $1 billion each. We have to stop fooling ourselves and the public that these can be done at the same time as we simply cannot afford them, even if the federal government gave us, or other potential partners, all the money.

There would be lots of costs in simply managing these projects and the required O and M, as we have seen with the Stanton hospital with its ever-increasing operational costs, some of which are found in this budget, too.

What we do need, and I will continue to push for, is some realistic and detailed economic evaluations of the big three projects against other ways of investing public funds in terms of the number of jobs created, the location of those jobs, building of local capacity, how our labour force matches with job opportunities and other ways of more objectively examining value for money. If I had to choose between investing a billion dollars in the SGP road or Taltson expansion, and getting all of our housing out of core need for $500 million, and having 20 years of universal childcare, Madam Speaker, it's a no brainer.

We would create more jobs, especially outside of Yellowknife, with an investment in housing and childcare, and help our residents to better participate in our economy. Our government needs more money. This was something that the last Cabinet refused to take seriously. We are in a financial and fiscal crunch now with too many big projects being promised, even with matching 75 percent federal funding. The GNWT 25 percent share still comes at a cost that stops, or slows down, other initiatives and investments, especially housing and diversifying our economy.

I pushed the Finance Minister to take the initiative to begin a serious public debate around revenue options and she seems ready to take up that challenge. We need to get the federal government to allow us to keep more, if not all, of our own source revenues to begin to build sound fiscal sustainability. An increase in our borrowing limit is only a partial and short-term solution. Again, we need to raise more money and get to keep it. It is a very serious problem when we raise more money from tobacco and alcohol than we get to keep from the extractive sector.

Corporate taxes are a less than ideal way to capture revenues from non-renewable resources. Our one-time natural capital needs also be shared with future generations. A resource tax or capital tax should be seriously examined as a more equitable way of retaining the benefits of resource development. If you don't believe me on this point, look no further than the international expert hired by ITI, who evaluated our management of non-renewable resources and found we should be retaining more revenues.

We also need to look at other ways of generating revenues including a high-income personal tax bracket, which other jurisdictions have added, including the federal government, reviewing the fees associated with the post-devolution resource management, raising tobacco taxes that were last increased in 2017, and other means. I welcome this public debate.

What is not in the 2020-2021 budget. I recognize that this budget is status quo and that the mandate will require additional funding, partly through supplementary appropriations. The budget address was virtually devoid of any discussion of the commitment to, and need for, additional resources to ensure completion of the ongoing Indigenous land rights negotiations, and implementation of the agreements already in place. To assist with these efforts, our government will also need to seriously move forward with implementing the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples.

If we are to achieve more than the one agreement-in-principle at one of the negotiating tables in the last Assembly, more resources and a fresh approach are needed.

There was no mention in the budget of the potential for benefits from the billion-dollar remediation project, here in Yellowknife, around Giant Mine, or the work required to reclaim the Norman Wells fields, or other areas such as Cantung Mine. The remediation economy is the equivalent of at least one of the big projects, and it won't cost us very much, if anything, to get this work by the federal government or the private sector, but we also have to work very hard to ensure that Northerners will benefit from that work.

Of course, we must also put in place a proper post-devolution system to identify and manage environmental liabilities before they come back to this government and taxpayers. This is something the last Cabinet failed to do, as we have seen with the Cantung mine, Cameron Hills, and the rollback of mandatory financial security in the Public Land Act. The Finance Minister must stop this bleeding now, working with her Cabinet colleagues.

There is little to no mention of the untapped potential of arts and culture to diversify the economy. This is another no-brainer and there isn't even a whisper of it in the budget. Where is the promised arts strategy that should be used to help identify opportunities for investment and a supplementary appropriation that puts that into action?

There are many other commitments from the mandate and elsewhere that will require attention and investment, likely well beyond the $25 million that is available under the current fiscal strategy. This includes addressing the municipal funding gap; completing the network of the single-window service centres in all our communities; more work to protect caribou habitat; building food security, including an increase to the Community Harvester Assistance Program; other food production initiatives; and last but not least, housing. Without affordable, suitable, and adequate housing, and 42 percent of our population does not have that, people cannot meaningfully participate in our economy.

In conclusion, Madam Speaker, the decisions of the last Cabinet and the majority of the last Assembly have clearly boxed us in, in terms of our fiscal situation and budgetary options. The cuts to programs and services to fund big infrastructure projects has pushed us closer than ever to the debt wall, resulting in more short-term borrowing and increased debt servicing costs.

The infrastructure from the last Cabinet continues to lead to increased O and M costs and has generally failed to bring the anticipated benefits, whether it is the Mackenzie Valley fibre link that has not tied in communities, the failure to support tourism in Tuktoyaktuk, the lack of northern workers on the Tlicho All-Season Road, or the deficiencies in the Stanton Territorial Hospital building.

I am pleased to see this Cabinet beginning to promote a more balanced approach to our mandate and this budget with its people-focus. We need to spend more on our basic needs, whether it is housing, healthcare, or education, for the long-term outcomes our citizens deserve, and find the resources to do that. This means more revenues and new fiscal arrangements with Ottawa.

I sincerely thank my Cabinet colleagues and their staff, and my committee colleagues, for much hard work in getting us to this point. I have the feeling that the chances for change, transformative change, are greater now than any other point during my time in this Assembly. Madam Speaker, I may actually vote in favour of this budget, which has not happened for quite a long time. Mahsi, Madam Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Frame Lake . Replies to the budget address (day 5 of 7). Member for Thebacha .

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Ms. Martselos' Reply

Replies To Budget Address

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Martsellos

Madam Speaker, I would like to do a short presentation on the budget address that was tabled by the honourable Caroline Wawzonek , the Minister of Finance , on February 25, 2020. First of all, this budget is status quo, with the vast majority of funds going to Yellowknife. I want to remind all Members, including Cabinet, of our 22 priorities, which included regional centres and smaller communities.

Madam Speaker, this budget focuses on all of the capital city of Yellowknife's needs and less on the regional centres and communities. The 2019-2023 Mandate of the Government of the Northwest Territories clearly outlined our priorities. The process was followed, yet, again, this 19 th Assembly is leaving the people outside the capital without hope and future prospects for growth in a meaningful way.

The 51 new positions for Stanton and the Integrated Case Management Group under Justice will be increased by two, which includes four permanent staff members, and all of the new positions designated for growth in other departments only in Yellowknife must all be looked at in a more strategic and objective manner. As an MLA, I am not going to approve this budget, especially the Integrated Case Management Group, unless two out of the four new positions that this budget is asking for are situated one in Fort Smith and one in Inuvik, respectively.

Madam Speaker, as an MLA and a strong businessperson with 50 years of business experience, my main concern is the economy. I feel that this budget is not addressing how we are going to come out of deficit. Strong emphasis must be placed on the economy to advance our business sector in the exploration of diamonds, oil, tourism, and small business, to ensure that we have a strong economy so our people in the NWT can have hope and faith in their government. The Taltson expansion is probably the most beneficial green project that makes sense.

With 75 percent of the funds coming from the federal government and with 25-percent input from our own Indigenous governments, it's a win-win situation that must be looked at seriously.

Madam Speaker, the total expenditure for this budget is $1.9 billion. The majority of this budget is slated for the capital of Yellowknife. The ordinary Members on Cabinet should be more mindful of how Cabinet presents a budget of this sort when it affects the smaller communities and the regional centres outside of Yellowknife. Obviously, this did not happen.

A quote: "Self-government and self-determination are not possible in a society in which there is no set of criteria defining what behaviour and beliefs constitute acceptable expressions of leadership." Madam Speaker, when we get into the budget estimates, which we already have, and have to vote on the outcomes, we must keep in mind our mandate of inclusiveness, ensuring that the entire population of the NWT benefits from this budget. Changes to this budget must be made to reflect this. This is what the people of the NWT want.

The majority of the NWT, the people of Thebacha riding, and the Indigenous people outside of Yellowknife must benefit from this budget and in future budgets from this day on. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Thebacha . Replies to the budget address (day 5 of 7). Item 7, acknowledgements. Item 8, oral questions. Member for Thebacha .

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Question 123-19(2): Stanton Territorial Hospital P3 Partnership

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Frieda Martselos

Thebacha

Madam Speaker, my questions are for the Minister of Finance . My first question is: since the Stanton P3 and the legacy, 100-bed, long-term unit for Yellowknife have crippled our government for moving forward, could the Minister tell me who makes up the Boreal Health partnerships?

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Thank you, Member for Thebacha . Minister of Finance .

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Question 123-19(2): Stanton Territorial Hospital P3 Partnership

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Caroline Wawzonek

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Speaker. As to the first part of the Member's comment, about being crippled, I would reply to simply say that this actually did come in on budget and that the project costs for construction were as expected, and that the contract costs are as expected. To the second half of the Member's question, Madam Speaker, the Boreal Partnership is made up of HOCHTIEF PPP Solutions, Bird Capital Limited, and BBGI Corporation. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Question 123-19(2): Stanton Territorial Hospital P3 Partnership

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Frieda Martselos

Thebacha

Can the Minister tell us who owns the majority of shares of Dexterra, as well as where is the company based out of, and what the emergency number that is used by Stanton hospital staff after 5:00 p.m.?

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Caroline Wawzonek

Yellowknife South

Dexterra, I believe, is owned by a company named Fairfax Financial Holdings. They are based out of Ontario, for their corporate office. With respect to emergency numbers, those numbers are available to Stanton Territorial Hospital staff and, if there is some concern that the Member is raising on that, rather than having those numbers put here in the House, I will ensure that those numbers are, in fact, posted appropriately and communicated to staff in the hospital.

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Frieda Martselos

Thebacha

I want the Minister of Finance to justify and explain to the people of Thebacha and the NWT how all the shortfalls in this territorial hospital are going to be dealt with and who is going to be paying for those shortfalls?

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Question 123-19(2): Stanton Territorial Hospital P3 Partnership

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Caroline Wawzonek

Yellowknife South

A number of initiatives have been begun in the last few months as a response to the fact that there were some challenges with this building when it initially came online. It's always expected that there is going to be some difficulty with a building that is the size and complexity of Stanton Territorial Hospital. Indeed, this hospital is arguably one of if not the most complex building ever undertaken by the Northwest Territories government, certainly one of the most technical in terms of the kinds of equipment, so while we are cognizant that there have been challenges, there is work under way.

There are committees that have been formed now between BHP and the GNWT, to ensure that partners are adequately addressing issues in a prompt manner. There is currently a senior executive committee that meets now to oversee the fixing of any difficulties or problems that arise. Assistance is being delivered by the Department of Infrastructure to the partners over at the hospital so that, again, there are adequate hands on deck, essentially, to make sure that things are being looked at. As for the payment, there is a very detailed

schedule in the contract where, if there are issues that should have been delivered by the partner, then the partner has to pay for that. There is contract monitoring to ensure, indeed, that, if there are performance issues that fall within the contract, then the payments that are being made regularly to the provider of services deducts that from their monthly payment.

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The Deputy Speaker

Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister of Finance . Final supplementary, Member for Thebacha .

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Frieda Martselos

Thebacha

Madam Speaker, finally, I would like to address the mayor of Yellowknife's media statement of February 19, 2020. The new Stanton hospital tax bill for the amount of $4.5 million is the highest taxed building in the NWT. The mayor of Yellowknife made a statement that she did not have to raise taxes because of a new assessed property value of the new Stanton hospital. My question is: as all monies out of public funds belong to the people of the NWT, are you comfortable as the Minister of Finance with this statement?

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Caroline Wawzonek

Yellowknife South

We have a good partnership with the City of Yellowknife and with the mayor of Yellowknife, and I am confident that she was making every effort to explain to people who she represents how grants in lieu work and how taxes are paid by the Government of the Northwest Territories. We do not pay taxes. We pay a grant in lieu, and the grant in lieu supports the city when the Government of the Northwest Territories is using what would be municipal land that the municipality could otherwise garner tax-based revenue from.

Instead, there is a grant in lieu that is paid for the use of that land and, obviously, for all of the various city-based services that the GNWT uses on the footprint of the hospital. I am confident that the grant-in-lieu policy has been applied appropriately and fairly for the City of Yellowknife, for Stanton, as it is to all of the tax-base communities across the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister of Finance . Oral questions. Member for Kam Lake .

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Caitlin Cleveland

Kam Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My questions today are for the Minister of Lands . In regard to transferring Commissioner's land within city boundaries to the City of Yellowknife, what formal arrangements have been put in place at this time for this initiative and what are their timelines? Thank you.

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Shane Thompson

Nahendeh

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The department has been meeting with the city several times this past summer and most recently as of Monday, February 24, when I had the opportunity of meeting with the city as well as YK Dene First Nation. We have a working group in place that involves the city, the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs, Lands, and E and I, and so we are working together on this issue. The department's goal is to have the process document done hopefully this year, and then we will work on transferring the lands in the future. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Caitlin Cleveland

Kam Lake

This past weekend was the NWT Association of Communities AGM in Inuvik. Since long before the election of the 19 th Assembly, the topic of Commissioner's land within the City of Yellowknife has definitely been a hot topic. What commitments were made at the AGM in regard to the transfer of Commissioner's land to municipalities?

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Shane Thompson

Nahendeh

Yes. We did attend the NWTAC meeting, and there were no commitments or no questions asked from the association in regard to this issue, but I can tell this House and the public that we have had communications with the various tax-base communities on how we can move forward on this issue. This is very complex, and we are trying to work together.

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Caitlin Cleveland

Kam Lake

I am wondering if local Indigenous governments are supportive of land-transfer initiatives within the City of Yellowknife.

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Shane Thompson

Nahendeh

Like I said, last Monday, May 24 th , I did attend the meeting with the City of Yellowknife and the YK Dene. In that conversation, in that meeting there, basically what I believe the conversation, what we heard, was that they were supportive of this as long as it does not infringe or interfere with the Dehcho Process.

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Caitlin Cleveland

Kam Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. It's my understanding that the City of Yellowknife requested a memorandum of understanding in partnership with the City of Yellowknife, local Indigenous governments, and the GNWT. Will the Minister be prepared to satisfy this request for a memorandum of understanding, committing to working together on land-transfer solutions? Thank you.

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Shane Thompson

Nahendeh

An MOU may not be the necessary document or process we need to do moving forward, so what we are doing is we are working with the municipality to come up with a document that will ensure, as we move forward 10, 20, 30, or 40 years down the road. It's going to meet the needs of the residents of Yellowknife and the Government of the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Question 125-19(2): Private Cannabis Retailers

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Rylund Johnson

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My questions today are for the Minister of Justice , regarding cannabis. Madam Speaker, we find ourselves here, a year and a half after cannabis legalization, with the promise being, after one year, we would have private cannabis stores in the Northwest Territories or at least be along the road. My question is: when will we see our first private cannabis store in the Northwest Territories?

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Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Yellowknife North . Minister of Justice .

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Caroline Wawzonek

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I acknowledge that there certainly has been a delay since even, I believe, the date that I provided to the House with respect to some aspects of the process. In order to have a cannabis store, there was first an RFQ, request for qualifications, that was sent out this summer, and then there needed to be an RFP, a request for proposals. That process was due out in January. I acknowledge that it's now not January. I am assured that that will be complete and that that will public this month. I will certainly ensure that I am doing my best to follow up on that date.

At that point, how quickly private individuals or private companies are able to develop their progress per store will be in the hands of those individuals or companies. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Rylund Johnson

Yellowknife North

I appreciate the Minister of Justice's response that we will see those RFPs out this month, and I will encourage my constituents who are interested to apply to that process. I had a constituent attend the uptown liquor store the other day, the only place to buy cannabis legally in town, and there was, in fact, no cannabis there. My question for the Minister of Finance : why, 18 months after legalization, do we still not have our procurement process in order?

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Caroline Wawzonek

Yellowknife South

There have actually not been very many stock outages since January of 2019, though there was indeed some delay recently. I am told that the resupply did come in last Friday and that it is something that we are continuously monitoring. Staff from the Department of Finance are involved in ensuring that the supply is regular and, indeed, I believe met with one of the repliers just last week. It is certainly our hope that, as we continue that relationship, that there should be hopefully fewer challenges for those seeking to avail themselves.

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Rylund Johnson

Yellowknife North

I want to express the issue here is that when someone attends a legal cannabis store and there is no cannabis, they go to the black market, which I can assure the Minister of Justice is still very much alive and well in the Northwest Territories. That means we are allowing criminals to continue to sell cannabis as well as not gaining the tax revenue needed from this. My question to the Minister of Justice is: what is currently happening to find new sources that can meet the demand?

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Caroline Wawzonek

Yellowknife South

The Northwest Territories Liquor and Cannabis Commission is tasked with identifying new suppliers, where they're available. It is a challenge that's being faced by our other territorial and provincial partners. It's one that we'll continue to talk to them about their own practices and see if there are options in our procurement that we haven't considered. As I say, I am alive to the ultimate impacts of not having supply and what that does. Again, it's a fairly new system across Canada, so hopefully, as all the provinces and territories work that through, that we will see a general improvement to the legal supply to all provinces and territories, including ours.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Frame Lake

Merci, Madame la Presidente. In my statement earlier today, I talked about how we have some of the best access to information, protection, and privacy legislation in the world, maybe. The problem is it hasn't been implemented; it hasn't been brought into force. I'd like to ask the Minister of Justice to explain what the next steps are with regard to bringing these changes to ATIP into legal effect and when that might happen. Merci, Madam Speaker.

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Thank you, Member for Frame Lake . Minister of Justice .

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Caroline Wawzonek

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I have some good news. That is that the majority of provisions are expected to be brought forward, or brought into force, in the fall, this fall of 2020. That would include the changes that are being made to reduce some of the fees. With respect to changes that are going to be made that will impact on smaller communities and municipalities, Madam Speaker, a working group has been formed with representatives of the small communities to ensure that they are part of the process to develop those regulations.

That working group now has set dates when they will meet, and as they meet the next stages will be developed in conjunction with that process. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Frame Lake

I want to thank the Minister for that great news. Unfortunately, it looks like it's going to take about one and a half years to finally get the fees reduced, maybe even closer to two or three years from when the "what we heard" report came up. That's still good news. There are a number of areas that were identified in the "what we heard" report, such as a training, identification of classes of records, that do not require an ATIP application. Can the Minister give us a sense of the priorities in terms of that work and when it's going to be implemented, as well?

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Caroline Wawzonek

Yellowknife South

The training and the guidelines, resource materials for all the different departments, that is either has been or is being developed right now, with some training due to begin, I understand, in April. As to the specific training schedule, of which departments, I don't know that offhand. I will commit to providing that to the Member as I can identify it. I can say that, certainly, reducing the fees has been a priority, and ensuring that movement to provide better access to information, there is one area of documents that will be identified, so they can be available without having to go through the process, that is also a priority that we will be working on.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Frame Lake

I want to thank the Minister for that reply. Back in June of 2019, the then- Minister of Finance read out in the House a series of proposed decreases in fees, and I mentioned those in my Member's statement. I'm not going to run through them again, but is that what the Minister going to do with the regulations that are coming forward as early as fall of this year?

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Caroline Wawzonek

Yellowknife South

I did take your full note, as the Member was speaking earlier, I can't confirm that those are indeed the changes that are being contemplated to reduce the fees.

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The Deputy Speaker

Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Final supplementary, Member for Frame Lake . No? Okay. Oral questions, Member for Yellowknife Centre .

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Julie Green

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My questions are for the Minister of Health and Social Services . As I mentioned in my statement, new federal legislation sets minimum standards for the treatment of children in care. These standards are meant to ensure that Indigenous children grow up immersed in their language, culture, and community. My question for the Minister is: how does our child and family services legislation align with the new federal legislation? Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker

Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Yellowknife Centre . Minister of Health and Social Services .

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Diane Archie

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The Child and Family Service Act and the federal Bill C92, and the child and family services in the Northwest Territories act is in line with the principles of the federal act. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Julie Green

Yellowknife Centre

My more specific question is: whether the order in which children will be placed, if they are taken into care, is that exactly the same order that exists in our Child and Family Services Act?

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Diane Archie

Inuvik Boot Lake

Yes, that's correct. The Northwest Territories Child and Family Services Act and the federal act recognize the need to deliver culturally appropriate services by decisions concerning the children are made in the best interests of the child, taking into consideration cultural values and practices. Also, each community has a role in supporting and promoting the best interests of the children, and the wellbeing of the families and the communities. Yes. They are in line, and some of the principles that we have are in line.

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Julie Green

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you to the Minister for that answer. What are GNWT's expectations with respect to accessing funding associated with the new federal law?

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Diane Archie

Inuvik Boot Lake

The Member is correct in her statement. She did recognize that the implementation and the funding has not been worked out. We are still in the process of waiting for the federal government to have a meeting. There was a meeting scheduled, an FTP for last month, and it has been rescheduled. Although we recognize that the legislation is place, we still need to work on what does that mean for the Northwest Territories.

DEPUTY SPEAKER. Thank you, Minister. Member for Yellowknife Centre , final supplementary.

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Julie Green

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Thank you to the Minister for that answer. One of the things this means for the NWT, and for all provinces and territories, is that Indigenous government organizations have an opportunity to become responsible for child and family services in their own jurisdictions. What role does the Minister see the GNWT having with respect to helping Indigenous government organizations take on this responsibility? Thank you.

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Diane Archie

Inuvik Boot Lake

The Member is correct. The child and family services, you look at the children who are in place, and we have 99 percent of Indigenous children in place in care. Right now, within the Child and Family Services Act, the Indigenous and government organizations can enact their own child and family service law for their citizens. Right now, we have only one Indigenous group in the Northwest Territories who has reached out to our department, and is interested, and looking at what does that mean for their Indigenous groups.

They have the option to enter into a process that would have their laws prevail over territorial law and the federal law. It is in our best interests to work with the Indigenous groups in the Northwest Territories as the majority of the children in care are in our care, and we would like to build on that partnership with Indigenous groups. If they can come to the table and do a better job than we are, then let's absolutely entertain that. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Oral questions. Member for Hay River South .

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Rocky Simpson

Hay River South

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The mental and physical wellbeing of our seniors is very important to me, and I would like to ask the Minister of Health : what process in place does her department have to ensure that the workers would engage the residents in the community to assist in visiting the seniors and helping out? Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker

Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Hay River South . Minister of Health and Social Services .

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Diane Archie

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I do want to start, and I will get to the Member's question. I do want to recognize that enabling seniors to age in place with dignity is one of our priorities. If you look at the mandate priorities, it is a partnership, not only with the Health and Social Services, but also the Department of Education, Culture and Employment and the department of housing. If you look at the three objectives, number one, we need to increase supports so that seniors can stay in their own homes and communities. That's number one.

Number two is fun actions that can enhance inclusion, safety, and remove community barriers. The other one is to help protect seniors from abuse or neglect. These are some of the areas that we are looking at for our mandate, but in addition to that, I do want to talk a little bit about what the Member's asking for, what are we doing. We have a variety of activities that are in our regions, and I do want to speak about a couple of them. We have adult day programs, including the elders in motion exercises, meal program, meals on wheels, and other recreation and social activities. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Rocky Simpson

Hay River South

In the wintertime, many of the seniors are kind of locked up. Not locked up, but they're in there in the facilities. They don't have, really, an ability to get out on their own. I am just wondering: does your department have anything in place to allow that to happen, to take them outside the building during the wintertime so they can get a little fresh air and also a little sightseeing?

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Diane Archie

Inuvik Boot Lake

There are some limitations in delivering some of the programs for a variety of reasons, lack of suitable space or lack of transportation for elders. Every region is different. You look at some of the regions. For example, I'll use in the Beaufort-Delta. We have a very strong elder day program where the elders come from their homes into the elders' day program, and they have a variety of activities. There are supports in place. However, there are limitations. I understand the Member's concern about the lack of possibly transportation or whatever the case may be.

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Rocky Simpson

Hay River South

I know the Minister will say yes to this one. We have a 48-bed slated for Hay River, and I think there is one for Inuvik, as well. One of the issues that I find is that, when I was visiting the other day, I noticed the handy van was sitting there, covered in snow.

I asked the person, "Do they use it?" They said, "Not really because to take people out, it was slippery, and it was hard to get them in the van." One thing I suggest is that with this new 48 facility is that if they could have a little something off to the side where they can have the van parked so the people can go right in from the building into the van where it's warm and take them out. Kind of like they have for the ambulances. I would just ask the Minister if she would consider that in the design of the new 48-bed facility for Hay River and for Inuvik?

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Diane Archie

Inuvik Boot Lake

I say yes to the concept and the idea because I feel it is important. I feel like if there are many ways that we can get our elders from their facility into their community, it is very important. I also do want to remind the Member that the 48-bed facility in Hay River and Inuvik is still through the design process, so there is an opportunity for our department to work with the Department of Infrastructure to have a look at the designs and to be able to see what works for the communities. I mean, we need to build these facilities so that they work for our elders and for our communities.

If that's one way of getting the elders out into the community, then, of course, that's something we would look at.

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The Deputy Speaker

Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Hay River South , final supplementary.

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Rocky Simpson

Hay River South

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I appreciate the Minister's responses, and I look forward to working with her, and I have no further questions. Thank you.

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Thank you. Oral questions. Member for Monfwi .

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

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The Deputy Speaker

Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister responsible for NWT Housing Corporation.

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Paulie Chinna

Sahtu

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Again, I would like to touch on the support agencies and families to identify gaps in existing resources as part of our mandate. We know that the cost of airfare into our isolated communities is quite high across the North and my region, about three communities I represent. If any work has to be done on a senior's home in an isolated community, those travel costs are often passed on to the senior on top of the actual cost of the work involved. Are there any Housing Corporation programs specific to having a certified oil burning mechanic to visit all our communities so that they can service the furnaces for our most vulnerable seniors?

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Paulie Chinna

Sahtu

The Northwest Territories Housing Corporation created the seniors aging-in-place program to help seniors improve the durability of their home and to make energy-efficient retrofits every year. It is an easy program to access and seniors can apply for this every year. There is also a co-payment portion for seniors who make only low to moderate income. Seniors can also access the SAFE program, the emergency repair program, to access up to $10,000 per year for urgent emergency repairs, such as furnace failure.

Seniors can also have their furnace maintained under the preventative maintenance program, up to $3,000 per year. As for seniors' complexes, I just really would like to stress that we have completed seniors' complexes throughout the territory, and we are now just looking at one in the Sahtu that is just completed. We've constructed five of them.

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

The Minister hasn't really answered my question about if they had specific certified burner mechanics visiting the isolated communities. I'll just move on to the next question, because these are tough questions that the department should be answering, especially for our elders in the communities. A couple of months ago, I had an 82-year-old senior constituent out of Behchoko who had furnace issues, and this was broadcast on the CBC, as well, when we were in the middle of a two-week-long cold spell. Apparently, her furnace had not been serviced for a few years.

In the end, Polar Ice from Yellowknife stepped up to the plate and fixed her furnace for free. Masi to Polar Ice for doing such an awesome job for this elder. Would the Minister consider implementing a pilot project so that every senior in our communities can have their furnace serviced on an annual basis as a safety precaution, as well?

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Paulie Chinna

Sahtu

My apologies to the Member that I didn't answer the last question about the burner mechanics going into the communities. We do have contractors who go out and they do work on the function of the homes, looking at the water heaters and the furnaces, and making sure that they are up and they are functioning. I'm not familiar with the contractors who go into the isolated communities, but also I just wanted to inform the Member that we do have the SAFE program that is accessible for the furnace and upkeep of them and to make sure that they are maintained, and it's up to $10,000. I would encourage the residents in his riding to contact the Housing Corporation further to complete the application.

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Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Monfwi .

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Masi, Madam Speaker. The Minister is referring to an application-based process, and a lot of our elders obviously are struggling, sometimes because of individuals living in their household. It's based on household income, so most times, they don't qualify, unfortunately. When it comes to two weeks of cold spell, this is a very urgent matter that we need to deal with on an annual basis, to service their furnaces, especially the vulnerable elders. I've touched on Polar Ice as a contractor going to the community, on their own services.

Could we have something similar to that as a pilot project in our communities, not just my Tlicho communities, but other isolated communities in the Northwest Territories? I believe this is, indeed, an asset that we should be utilizing, having those individuals qualified to service the furnaces. Madam Speaker, masi.

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Paulie Chinna

Sahtu

I am interested in looking at that, actually looking at our application process. I have gotten feedback that it is quite difficult for the residents of the Northwest Territories to access our programs. I would like to go forward and encourage that initiative and that suggestion from the Member. It's something that I will work towards, and I would like to have a conversation with my department to see how we can initialize that and work with that initiative going forward throughout the Northwest Territories and make sure that our elders are getting the services that they need.

If it's just a simple application process that is keeping them from accessing our programs, I would really like to connect the LHO housing managers and the clients, that we are there and we are able to get the applications done immediately, but I will be working with the Member going forward. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Final supplementary, Member for Monfwi .

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

I believe that's my fifth question, now, Madam Speaker. I just want to say I look forward to departmental correspondence on this particular, very important, matter in my region. When can we see this happening? Masi.

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Paulie Chinna

Sahtu

Going forward, looking at this initiative, I would like to hopefully be able to get back into the communities, hopefully, I want to commit in July