Debates of Oct. 23rd, 2006

This is page numbers 387 - 410 of the Hansard for the 15th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

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Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Update On The Affordable Housing Initiative

Health Care Difficulties Experienced By Constituent

Observations On Recent Actions And The Road Ahead

Rcmp Services In The Tlicho Languages

Condolences To The Family Of Lorna Norn

Mobile Alcohol And Drug Treatment Programs

Workers' Compensation Board Claimant Ivan Valic

Rcmp Presence In Sachs Harbour

Territorial Dementia Centre Funding

Incentive Programs To Address Housing Utility Costs

Cost Of Natural Gas In Inuvik

All-weather Year-round Road To The Diamond Mines

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Mobile Alcohol And Drug Treatment Centres

Highway No. 5 - Chipsealing Project

Rcmp Services In The Tlicho Language

All-weather Road Access To The Diamond Mines

Incentive Programs To Address Housing Utility Costs

WCB Policy On Chronic Pain - Valic Decision

WCB Policy On Chronic Pain - Valic Decision

Health Care Difficulties Experienced By Constituent

Rcmp Presence In Sachs Harbour

Affordable Housing Initiative

Fmbs Office In The Sahtu Region

Written Question 19-15(5): GNWT's Analysis Of Alternative North's Mackenzie Gas Project Assessment

Tabled Document 51-15(5):

Summary Report Of Meeting Hosted By Mp Dennis Bevington Regarding Federal Program Cuts

Tabled Document 52-15(5): Letter From Volunteer NWT Regarding Federal Program Cuts

Tabled Document 53-15(5): Mackenzie Gas Project: Financial And Economic Assessment Prepared For Alternatives North By Pacific Analytics Inc.Tabled Document 54-15(5): Alternatives North Media Release And Backgrounder Mackenzie Gas Project AssessmentTabled Document 55-15(5): Corporate Profile Of Pacific Analytics Inc.

Tabled Document On 56-15(5): Presentation Entitled Take A Kid Trapping Colville Lake/sahtu Renewable Resources Board

Recommendation For Appointment Of Executive Council Member

Appointment To Standing Committee On Accountability And Oversight

Bill 16:

An Act To Amend The Jury Act

Bill 18:

An Act To Amend The Education Act

Bill 19:

An Act To Amend The Archives Act

Bill 20:

An Act To Amend The Income Tax Act

Bill 15: Elections And Plebiscites Act

Bill 17:

An Act To Amend The Legislative Assembly And Executive Council Act, No. 3

Recommendation For Appointment Of Executive Council Member

Appointment To Standing Committee On Accountability And Oversight

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Bill 8: Miscellaneous Statutes Amendment Act, 2006

Bill 10: Forgiveness Of Debts Act, 2006-2007

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Brendan Bell , Mr. Braden , Honourable Paul Delorey , Honourable Charles Dent , Mrs. Groenewegen , Honourable Joe Handley , Mr. Hawkins , Honourable David Krutko , Mr. Lafferty , Ms. Lee , Honourable Michael McLeod , Mr. McLeod, Mr. Menicoche , Mr. Miltenberger , Mr. Pokiak , Mr. Ramsay , Honourable Floyd Roland , Mr. Villeneuve , Mr. Yakeleya

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Good afternoon, colleagues. Welcome back to the House. Orders of the day. Ministers' statements. The honourable Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation , Mr. Krutko .

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Minister's Statement 37-15(5): Update On The Affordable Housing Initiative

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I rise to update Members on progress made to date on the affordable housing initiative that will provide a $100 million investment in affordable housing in the Northwest Territories over the next three years.

Mr. Speaker, commitments made by this government to invest in housing through the affordable housing initiative will give us a lasting impact on our residents, our communities, and our territory for generations to come. Our success in acquiring the federal funding to complement the GNWT's investment will provide us with an opportunity to provide residents with an improved quality of life. Over the next three years, I anticipate that we will deliver new housing in every community in our territory. In addition, our increased emphasis on energy efficiency and maintenance is targeted to ensure that these homes will remain affordable and adequate well into the future.

Mr. Speaker, on two occasions during this Legislative Assembly, motions have been passed calling on the Housing Corporation to reduce core need. These motions called for reductions in core need, a renewed focus on the needs of seniors and the disabled, new partnerships with communities and aboriginal governments, and innovative approaches to provide adequate and affordable housing to northerners.

Mr. Speaker, I want to assure Members that this government takes these motions very seriously, and will continue working towards the goal we all share of improving housing conditions for all northerners and meet targets established by this Assembly.

I am pleased to inform this House that the Housing Corporation's initial allocations in communities called for up to 530 new dwellings. Based on these allocations, we estimate spending approximately $33 million in year one with the construction and delivery of over 170 homeownership and public housing dwellings in communities across the Northwest Territories. In year two we expect to expend an additional $32 million to construct and deliver more than 160 units, and year three calls for the spending of approximately $34 million to construct and deliver more than 170 units.

The delivery of new housing, the construction of multi-unit dwellings, and the replacement of public housing units will improve housing conditions, reduce core need, and ensure that residents in need enjoy the benefits of homeownership. As well, this year's construction has provided employment and training opportunities for our labour force.

Land planning and development is a key component of the affordable housing initiative. The Housing Corporation continues to work together with the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs and communities to ensure that land is available for construction. The formation of partnerships and community support are key factors in ensuring the success of this initiative. Land is in place for year one of this initiative, and we continue to work with MACA and communities on acquiring and developing land for years two and three.

Mr. Speaker, the provision of affordable housing contributes to our territory on many levels. The economic and social benefits of developing housing are significant, and are among the most effective tools for community development. Housing is more than just bricks and mortar. Affordable housing is vital to the health and safety of our citizens, to the economic sustainability of our communities and the quality of life of NWT residents.

Mr. Speaker, the affordable housing initiative represents a new beginning in our efforts to reduce core housing need and to ensure that residents of the Northwest Territories have access to adequate and affordable housing. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 37-15(5): Update On The Affordable Housing Initiative

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Ministers' statements. Members' statements. The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Health Care Difficulties Experienced By Constituent

Item 3: Members' Statements

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I wish to make a statement about how a constituent of mine is being treated by our health care system.

The troubles began for him in December of 2003 when chest pain and tingling sensations were present. A stress test was to be performed but due to results from blood testing, a low priority was given to allow these tests to happen. The doctor quoted a wait time of six to 12 months. In January, while preparing for a vacation, my constituent consulted with his family doctor regarding concerns over travelling. While on vacation in February of 2004, my constituent had what appeared to be a heart attack. All tests for a heart attack were found to be

negative. The doctors overseas instructed my constituent to see a neurologist upon his return to Canada.

Since getting back to Yellowknife in February of 2004, my constituent has had numerous appointments, referrals and meetings with me, as his MLA, doctors, the former CEO of Stanton Hospital and others regarding his lack of a proper diagnosis. It has been almost three years, Mr. Speaker, and my constituent is living with debilitating pain, unable to work, unable to support his family, unable to sleep for more than 15 minutes at a time, all because we cannot find or get him the help he needs and he deserves.

How long does a resident of the Northwest Territories, or Canada for that matter, have to suffer before we offer some help? Mr. Speaker, his case needs a thorough examination and I find it unthinkable that we continue to let him suffer. He is now in the process of trying to go overseas to have his condition dealt with, at his own expense I might add. Why must he be forced into such drastic measures, and why is our health care system failing him? I'm looking for some answers for my constituent in his search for some help. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mahsi.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Colleagues, I'd like to draw your attention to the Speaker's Gallery and the presence of Mr. Sam Gargan, a former Speaker of the House.

---Applause

Members' statements. The honourable Member for Thebacha , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Observations On Recent Actions And The Road Ahead

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wanted to rise today to let my constituents know, and the people of the Northwest Territories know, that in the months that are remaining this Assembly that I will bring their issues to the table through this forum in the House using every Member's statement that's available, as well as questions to Ministers.

I will be rising in support of the many initiatives as the need arises and the occasion permits to speak to the many issues and initiatives that I believe are good ones that are underway by the government, but I'm also going to raise some issues that have to be resolved that we have to look at more closely. I'm going to be very critical of the Conservative government in this House in what they have not done for the North, or what they have done, and I'll be raising those issues.

Today I would like, as well, just to reflect briefly on the process that transpired here late last week. Mr. Speaker, the practice as we know it through years of trial, the convention, the tradition has been when there are issues that involve concerns with Ministers of significance that we go into Caucus. That was done back in the conflict days of the '90s; it was done more recently when there were criminal charges and such against another Member, as recently with the Premier .

I want to make the point in this House, as I have to the press, that what has transpired did not allow me due process, that we circumvented or ignored our own procedures; procedures that are absolutely critical in my mind for the functioning of a consensus government. The only thing I believe that allows us to function as a consensus government is the fact that we have the ability to come together as 19 Members to talk about issues, and I can remember meeting many times on these type of matters before any decisions were taken.

That was not the case and that is unfair and unfortunate, but it has been done, so now we move on.

But there are some lessons, in my mind, that we want to take a close look at because I understand we are not finished with some of the issues as regards to Cabinet. I want to say to this House that...

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Mr. Miltenberger , your time for Member's statement has expired.

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Observations On Recent Actions And The Road Ahead

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I request unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Observations On Recent Actions And The Road Ahead

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You may conclude your statement, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Observations On Recent Actions And The Road Ahead

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we must take the steps necessary to protect those processes that have been developed and that are vital to consensus government. As well, I will not be party to any further types of what I saw as legislative vigilante justice, nor will I agree to any unanimous consent. This Legislature deserves better and so do the people of the Northwest Territories.

Finally, Mr. Speaker, I will conclude by saying we have a tremendous agenda ahead of us with very limited time and we owe it to the people of the Northwest Territories to take care of their business. Thank you.

---Applause

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Observations On Recent Actions And The Road Ahead

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Monfwi, Mr. Lafferty .

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Rcmp Services In The Tlicho Languages

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Jackson Lafferty

North Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. (Translation) My Member's statement for today is regarding leaders, the RCMP. When we call the RCMP station in Rae, we are forwarded to Yellowknife station. Sometimes when there are emergencies, we have to wait a very long time to get a response and people are not happy with that. (Translation ends)

Mr. Speaker, elders in our community who can only speak their native tongue rely on the people to speak for them. They cannot always count on someone being able to help them especially in emergency and violent situations.

Mr. Speaker, as part of the RCMP accountability to the Northwest Territories, they state that in cooperation with the GNWT Department of Justice, they are committed to leading the country in the delivery of superior services, reflective of community needs and values. They have an opportunity to demonstrate this commitment by providing round-the-clock services in a Tlicho language, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, the people of Behchoko want to work with the RCMP and the Government of the Northwest Territories to find a solution. Together, in partnership with the GNWT and RCMP, we can work towards a safer community for all residents. Mahsi.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Villeneuve .

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Condolences To The Family Of Lorna Norn

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I just want to express my sincere condolences for the family and relatives and all the friends of the late Lorna Norn who perished in a house fire in Fort Smith earlier this week.

Lorna leaves behind three small children ranging from ages two to 10. Lorna is the daughter of Leona Poitras from Deninu Kue and was raised by Bill and Terra Norn of Deninu Kue.

Mr. Speaker, our prayers go out to these family members who all came together to raise an outgoing, very vibrant and well liked, and a very family oriented northern mother who was keen on providing the best for her family, but sadly her dreams and aspirations were shortened by this tragic event; an event which will not be easily forgotten by residents, by northerners, friends and especially family members from all over Tu Nedhe who knew Lorna.

Lorna will always be remembered through her children, and I ask the Creator to watch over them and ask that the many family members and friends of Lorna to take care of her children, which I'm sure will happen, and ensure that her children are always reminded of the wonderful person that their mother was to all the people that knew her. God bless her and her kids. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Condolences To The Family Of Lorna Norn

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Mobile Alcohol And Drug Treatment Programs

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, one of the many goals of this government is to look at healthy families, self-reliant people helping themselves. Mr. Speaker, people in our smaller communities want to know how does that translate into their lives and into their communities. What does that possibly mean? What type of action could be put in place to get to those goals, and where do we start and where can we help and why do it?

Mr. Speaker, communities down the Mackenzie Valley have a high increase of alcohol and drugs in the Northwest Territories. It's been reported that the Northwest Territories are big spenders on alcohol and drugs; that we have probably the highest consumption of alcohol here in the Territories and that there's a high crime rate due to the use of alcohol. If you look at the RCMP stats or the Crown stats, businesses loose thousands and thousands of dollars in this issue here due to absenteeism from workers. Families, especially young children, are devastated, affected every weekend in the communities.

Children run homeless and there's homeless homes in those small communities. Mr. Speaker, then there's health, there's education. We just go on and on.

Mr. Speaker, interestingly enough this morning News/North and on CBC Radio there was a report of a potential strike of workers at Nats'ejee K'eh that may happen. The healing process will come to a halt, Mr. Speaker, for people who want to seek alcohol residential school care. Well, there is a solution, Mr. Speaker. It's right from the people; the people asking we could help ourselves. The government has to look at alternatives, mobile, residential treatment programs in the communities or on the land. Bring the programs on the land. Bring the whole family, not just the individual. Get them out into the land.

Get family instruction, have it small. People help themselves out there, Mr. Speaker, similar to the justice program that we started in Fort Good Hope under the Department of Justice. Do a pilot project. Bring the families out there to reconcile and do some healing. Put the families out there, Mr. Speaker, and in the communities they can help them by the Housing Corporation take care of homes. Education can look at the children and help them with their education studies; employment where people get to work.

Mr. Speaker, the solutions are there. We have to get behind these qualities and that and get the people to start looking after themselves the best we can. Give them the tools and support. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Braden .

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Workers' Compensation Board Claimant Ivan Valic

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Last Friday the Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board tabled in this Assembly a glossy version of the various activities of the WCB in the last year. The Minister related to us the cover story of this magazine which featured an inspirational story of a man who entered into Canada from Czechoslovakia who, after a serious work-related injury persevered and, through determination, returned to work.

Mr. Speaker, I'd remind the Minister that there is, in too many cases, a very unglossy version of affairs to do with the cases of some injured workers in our WCB. I would relate again to this Assembly the case of Mr. Ivan Valic, an injured worker who was injured some 19 years ago and continues to seek a resolution to his issues, especially

those regarding chronic pain. Mr. Speaker, on December 14th of last year, Justice Virginia Schuler of the NWT Supreme Court ruled that Mr. Valic's rights in regard to the Charter had been violated, that his right to natural justice had been denied. Mr. Speaker, I'd like to suggest that perhaps like the gentleman featured in the WCB's magazine, Mr. Valic is also an inspiration, but there's an irony here in that he's an inspiration not in the case of overcoming person adversity and suffering, but rather that he continues to struggle valiantly against a bureaucracy and a system that seems to have gone out of its way to trample his rights.

Mr. Speaker, when Justice Schuler granted Mr. Valic's request for a new tribunal there was a hope in that ruling that such a tribunal would be struck in a timely manner. We are now coming up 10 months and this is just not acceptable, Mr. Speaker. It shows again that our WCB, the Appeals Tribunal, and the various processes that we should have working on behalf of injured workers are indeed, in some cases, continuing to stymie them. Mr. Speaker, it's been 10 months since Judge Schuler's decision and I wonder what is meant by her request for timely consideration in the view of our WCB, Mr. Speaker.

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Workers' Compensation Board Claimant Ivan Valic

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Pokiak .

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Rcmp Presence In Sachs Harbour

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Calvin Pokiak

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Before I make my statement, I'd like to send out a birthday wish to my son Darren John Pokiak who turned 19 yesterday.

---Applause

Mr. Speaker, I rise today to talk about the need for RCMP presence in Sachs Harbour again. I know this has been going on for a long and I'm still going to pursue it for the presence of RCMP in Sachs Harbour.

Mr. Speaker, I had an opportunity to travel with the Honourable Brendan Bell and his staff and also the RCMP to Sachs Harbour in late June of this year. At that time, Mr. Speaker, there was a public meeting where the Minister heard firsthand exactly what's going on in the small community, where there's no RCMP presence, in terms of alcohol and drug abuse, carelessness of firearms, and also family violence, which shouldn't be tolerated in any community, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, Sachs Harbour, again, is one of the 11 communities without an RCMP presence and I hope that the department can address all these problems down the road. Also, Mr. Speaker, the mayor informed at the meeting that Sachs Harbour did have two RCMP members years ago. A small isolated community like that, they should have RCMP presence.

Mr. Speaker, I understand because of the legislation there needs to be two RCMP members located in the communities. This makes it really difficult, Mr. Speaker, for the communities without an RCMP presence. Where is the safety of these people?

Mr. Speaker, during the public meeting Minister Bell promised -- and I say promised -- the mayor and public that by July 2007 there will be two RCMP members stationed in Sachs Harbour. Mr. Speaker, I'm willing to work with the Minister in that regard and I'm going to quote Minister Bells' comment in light of the transcripts on page 721 on Wednesday, October 18th, 2006, and I quote, "It's not about, at this point, coming up with more from this government for officers. The feds pay for the tab when it comes to capital. We are looking at capital for Sachs Harbour. We think we have a federal commitment there." Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to complete my statement.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You may conclude your statement, Mr. Pokiak .

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Calvin Pokiak

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In closing, Mr. Speaker, the safety of all northerners needs to be addressed by this government and the federal government by ensuring police officers are stationed in all the NWT communities.

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Hear! Hear!

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Calvin Pokiak

Nunakput

In closing, Mr. Speaker, I will have questions for the Honourable Brendan Bell at the appropriate time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Pokiak . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Territorial Dementia Centre Funding

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, last week the former Minister of Health and Social Services committed to have in the capital budget for YACCS be in place for the '08-09 fiscal year, and obviously this is better than nothing but it's still disappointing from where we all thought we were at. Mr. Speaker, for at least a dozen years, concerned citizens of Yellowknife have worked tirelessly on this project. In fact, the government was so impressed with the proposal done by the YACCS that it actually hired the consultant that worked on the project to do a plan for the entire NWT.

Well, good on them for doing them, but where are we with the NWT-wide plan for the seniors with Alzheimer's and dementia conditions, I ask you, Mr. Speaker.

For the YACCS, the first idea was to borrow the money commercially and build it itself as long as the government would be willing to commit to O and M funding. Then the Minister came back to say that they would rather fund it within the GNWT budget through the regular capital project process. It was a hope that the federal government might be able to step in. I was especially encouraged when the Minister committed $1 million for planning money last year and I logically assumed that the project would advance accordingly in subsequent years. So imagine my surprise, Mr.

Speaker, when I learned that this was not in the books at all. So now we are all supposed to go away with the verbal commitment that this will be in the books for '08-09, but I have to tell you, the way the budget process works around here where even a

capital item in this year's budget could fall off the books for one reason for another, I'm going to have to insist on something more concrete and substantial.

Fiscal year '08-09 is a commitment for the next Assembly and that is just too distant and far too short. As such, Mr. Speaker, I'll be looking at the new Minister of Health to commit to a plan and put some money for the upcoming '07-08 budget; not only that, I'll be looking to him for an NWT-wide plan on Alzheimer's and dementia care, because I have to tell you this, Mr.

Speaker, this is not just a Yellowknife issue, I believe all our citizens with A and D, wherever possible, should be allowed to spend their days in their communities and to do that, this government is going to have to plan, a concrete and substantial plan, and this plan has to include how to look after these elders in the interim and not just in facilities. So we need to revamp the home care and assisted living programs all across the NWT to clear the void and we need a plan and we need a plan for infrastructure. So, Mr.

Speaker, I would just like to advise the House that whoever is going to get this portfolio has now been notified. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Incentive Programs To Address Housing Utility Costs

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 391

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we have been talking a lot about the cost of living in the North. However, I would like to challenge this government for the somewhat unobvious and intangible things that they are doing to address the cost of living.

We, as Regular Members, went around to communities in late summer and talked to residents of the North about the cost of living. Now, fortunately for us, the weather is holding very nice. The long-range forecast is still good. It's October 23rd and it's still warm and summer out. I can say in my own house in Hay River, we have not turned the boiler on yet, but that doesn't mean the cold weather is not coming and the cost of fuel is very high and many northerners are struggling to deal with the cost of living. A big part of that is their utility costs.

Mr. Speaker, when we take action as a government to address the cost of living, we think of things like the Arctic Energy Alliance. We think about public service announcements, we think about energy audits. We think about pamphlets and brochures and a whole bunch of stuff, which the only real value they have towards the cost of living would be if you are using it as fire starter if you are fortunate enough to have a wood stove in your house.

I think we, as a government, need to get a little more creative, do something a little more tangible. I think that an interest-free program for northerners to access money....Ironically, if you have an issue with the cost of living, you don't have the capital money you need to install a pellet stove or a wood stove or put insulation on your house. So we need something that is a tangible, real measure that will go some ways towards helping people address that.

So I would suggest that perhaps under the auspices of the NWT Housing Corporation, there should be an interest-free loan program that northerners can access and they can reinvest this money into their house. Enough with all those things that are out of everybody's reach. Later today, I would like to ask the Minister of Housing how long it would take him to come up with something real in that area, something useful. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. McLeod.

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Cost Of Natural Gas In Inuvik

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I would like to rise to speak on the increase in natural gas for customers in Inuvik. It's become a real concern to the residents of Inuvik because they feel like they have a forum or a hearing to express their displeasure over the increase in the price of natural gas. The supplier is allowed to make a reasonable profit, but a lot of people up there think that it's an unreasonable request that they are putting forward, a 16 percent increase when they had to deal with another increase last year and the supplier is saying that they are going to be cheaper than diesel.

Well, 1998-99 when this came forward, fuel was like $25 a barrel, now we are up around $60 a barrel. That's driving the price up. It's not realistic for people to switch back to diesel after they have already converted to natural gas. It's expensive and very costly. A lot of people's concern up there is that the fields are 50 kilometres from Inuvik and they are still expected to pay the high increases to the price of natural gas. The Public Utilities Board has said that there has not been enough evidence of public concern over this issue.

I take exception to that because I have been getting a lot of correspondence from people up in Inuvik and I do speak for the people in Inuvik. I would like to think I speak for them. So they are asking me to bring this forward and they want a public outcry. They will get a public outcry minus the tears.

I feel people up there want a forum, they want a hearing, they want the opportunity to hear the supplier's case for increasing the price and they want an opportunity to voice their opposition to such price increase. The supply, Mr. Speaker, is only 50 kilometres from Inuvik and it's probably cheaper in Alberta than we pay in Inuvik. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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All-weather Year-round Road To The Diamond Mines

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

In 2004, there were over 50,000 passengers and cargo flights landing in Yellowknife. This year, the number of flights grew by 30,000 flights because the winter roads closed early. A lot of these flights flew over Yellowknife waking babies, upsetting parents and causing a serious amount of noise pollution. When and if the pipeline goes ahead, flights over Yellowknife will only seriously increase.

Last year, the diamond mines were only able to get about two-thirds of their vehicles that they required in to get their freight and resupply ready. That forces them to find extra alternative ways to get that freight in by flying it through. As a consequence, Mr. Speaker, Yellowknife is subjected to the Russian planes in our airspace flying over 24 hours a day all summer. This means this annoyed a lot of Yellowknifers, if the Minister of Transportation isn't getting it.

The territorial government is spending millions on fixing winter road access every year to help industry, but it seems climate change is beating us down and our winter roads are shrinking. So, yet again, Mr. Speaker, this is a fine example where the NWT continues to support industry and the federal government by us spending millions of dollars on roads that we get very little or no return at all on, but it's not all doom and gloom, Mr. Speaker. I have a solution to the problem. We need to finally complete the Ingraham Trail, Mr. Speaker, by building an all-weather year-round road to the mining corridor.

We have to do this long before Nunavut wakes up and realizes that the Bathurst deepwater port may be a good argument. So, Mr. Speaker, we need to reinvigorate Diefenbaker's dream about access to the North.

Mr. Speaker, maybe this Conservative Prime Minister will finally wake up and hear the cry of the North's promise about true access. Mr. Speaker, now I have heard the cost of flying those planes, the diamond mine resupply, costs millions and millions of dollars. So let's start reinvesting this money into road infrastructure rather than allowing it to fly away.

As the Premier has said, it only costs about $50 million to build a rough road all the way up from Yellowknife to this mining corridor, so let's spend money that would be money well spent. Logistically, it makes sense to allow resupply to happen year round, rather than squeeze it in between 90 days or less. I am saying the GNWT and the mines should petition the federal government together, because the federal government is the one receiving the royalties and they should be a major player in this. Mr. Speaker, may I seek unanimous consent to continue my statement?

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays?

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Nay.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

I hear a nay. Members' statements. Returns to oral questions. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it gives me pleasure today to introduce in the gallery, my constituency assistant, Ms. Jennifer Debastien, down for orientation at the Assembly. Thank you.

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Page 392

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It gives me a great honour to recognize my sister Elizabeth Hardisty in the gallery today. Mahsi cho.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . Recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. McLeod.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, I wanted to recognize the former MLA for the Deh Cho and the Speaker of this House, Sam Gargan.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Pokiak .

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Calvin Pokiak

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize Ms. Donna Bernhardt, my constituency assistant from Tuk and also Kayla Kudlak and Craig Ruben, who are Pages here. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Pokiak . Recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to welcome everyone in the gallery, but if I may make special mention of Mr. Sam Gargan. I used to work in research when he was a Member and I worked for him when he was Speaker. I remember he used to call me at every telephone stop with a project. I don't know if any other Members do that, but I would just like to welcome Mr. Gargan to the House. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Recognition of visitors in the gallery. If we missed anyone in the gallery today, welcome to the House. I hope you are enjoying the proceedings. It's always nice to have an audience. Oral questions. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 157-15(5): Mobile Alcohol And Drug Treatment Centres

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in my statement, I talked about the alcohol and drug issues in the Northwest Territories. My question is to the Minister of Health and Social Services , the Honourable Floyd Roland , in terms of the issue the communities want to look at regarding mobile alcohol and drug treatment programs that are community based, regionally adapted, that would serve not only the individual but the families as a whole to have mobile family treatment centres in our communities. Would the government consider looking at that option in terms of best effectively working with the families in this issue of alcohol abuse?

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The issue of drug and alcohol treatment programs in the Northwest Territories is one that has concerned us for quite some time. As long as I have been a Member of the Legislative Assembly, the issue has come up time and again. The Department of Health and Social Services, over a number of years, has tried to adjust its programming to fit the criteria for northern families and individuals. In this situation I know the department has undergone a review of how it provides programs and, with the previous efforts of the previous Minister, things are in the works to change.

I would have to look at this particular avenue, what's entailed in it, what direction we would like to go in and see how that fits with the plans that are in place. As of yet, I think Members would realize that I need to get some of that detail from the department and gladly look at it, initially at least. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the issue of alcohol and drug treatment programs comes up almost on a weekly basis in our communities where children are running around and families are disrupted by the abuse of alcohol and drugs now. The complexity of drugs now in the Northwest Territories makes it really hard. So in terms of the Minister catching up on some of the issues here in terms of Nats'ejee K'eh, in terms of other treatment programs, we need to have specialized treatment programs. I am looking for the option for the Minister to come to this side to our region and look at mobile treatment centres.

It's a good option. The funding seems to be okay. We can have an option to look at it, almost to the point where we could look at piloting such a program in the region as the Minister of Justice has done with the correctional institute. Can I ask the Minister to come back to the table with that type of flexibility? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the Member's statement he made a number of comments on the issue we face in the Northwest Territories and what we need to do as a government; provide the tools. Ultimately, Mr. Speaker, in this area of programming -- and I can speak from experience -- it starts at home with the individual. If you want real change, it has to start at that level. As a government, we have to have the necessary tools in place to ensure that people can deal with the issues that are before them.

In this specific case, I would have to get up to speed as to where the department is in the area of alcohol and drug programs. I know in the past, we have looked at a mobile treatment plan. I have to see if that is still in the works and how effective that was. Once I have that information, then I would be able to look into it a little further. At this point, I don't feel I can give a serious commitment as to what needs to be done. Once I get further updated, then I can respond in a more appropriate manner. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I agree with the Minister 100 percent; it starts with us. We have to start taking some ownership and responsibility. That's what the community has been asking for for a number of years. They want to take the responsibility. We have the Department of Housing to help out. We have the Department of Education that can help out. We are looking at a comprehensive program, not just the individual where they are taking from the community into Nats'ejee K'eh or some other treatment centres...

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Do you have a question, Mr. Yakeleya ?

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Yes, Mr. Speaker. Can he look at these types of options and come back to my question in terms of yes, we can do this, it's feasible and it can get done. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

As I stated earlier, once I get up to speed in the area of particular programs in the drug and alcohol area, if we are working on that initiative, I would gladly sit down with the Member and look at what options are there, what plans may come up, and work with the Social Programs committee in this area as well. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. What are the plans of the Department of Health and Social Services in light of the newspaper or CBC report in terms of Nats'ejee K'eh? Where will people go?

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe the plans are almost completed as we go through this process, but, as I stated earlier, I need to meet with the departments and get some indication as to where they are with the work. At that point, we would be prepared to sit down with Members. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Oral questions. The honourable Member for Thebacha , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 158-15(5): Highway No. 5 - Chipsealing Project

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 393

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask a number of questions to the Minister of Transportation and

it's with regard to a road issue that is very dear to the people of Thebacha and Fort Smith. That is the incomplete chipsealing of Highway No. 5 from Fort Smith to Hay River.

This has now been incomplete for years. There has been some work done. They put it on very thinly, the last application, almost with a butter knife. It is breaking up as they put it down. There is another significant track that's unpaved and it goes through the park. I would like to ask the Minister if he would consider approaching Parks Canada, who I understand as well has an infrastructure budget and is prepared to consider those types of projects that go through their parks, as something they are possibly interested in cost sharing. I would like to ask the Minister if he would consider contacting parks in that regard. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Minister of Transportation , Mr. McLeod.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Yes, Mr. Speaker, we will do that.

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Paul Delorey

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, would the Minister please indicate to the House what kind of time frame he would be able to, in the next two weeks or so, have his officials draft a letter for his signature? Thank you.

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Page 394

Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the department does have a condition rating of all the highways in the Northwest Territories including Highway No. 5. In our rating, Highway No. 5 has come back as a highway that is safe and reliable. There are some areas that we have included for attention in terms of chipseal. There are two sections is particular that we are looking at. We will certainly take the recommendation from the honourable Member to speak to the parks people and see if we can look at some cost-sharing initiatives. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate that commitment. If the Minister could just indicate the time frame that he would be looking at being able to get his officials to have that letter drafted for his signature, it would be of great comfort to the constituents of Thebacha. Thank you.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We will commit to having that letter drafted within the next couple of weeks and have it sent out. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final supplementary, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would also like to ask the Minister if he would commit to the involvement of his staff regionally, because we are going to be sitting down with the new parks superintendent and, of course, the band and the Metis president. This is a very important issue to Mayor Martselos to talk about how we could possibly do this at the regional level as well. Would he commit to his staff being involved when that meeting is set up? Thank you.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, we certainly will involve our regional staff in our discussions with parks. We will also consult with them as to any prior discussion that may have been held and be able to relay that information to the Member. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Oral questions. The honourable Member for Monfwi, Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 159-15(5): Rcmp Services In The Tlicho Language

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Page 394

Jackson Lafferty

North Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. (Translation) Mr. Speaker, my previous statement, I would like to ask the Justice Minister a question. When we call the RCMP station, they forward the information to Yellowknife. (Translation ends)

...Member's statement, the community of Behchoko has serious concerns about the safety of its Tlicho speaking residents who do not have the ability to access RCMP in their own language around the clock. Mr. Speaker, what is the Minister prepared to do to ensure our citizens have the ability to communicate with the RCMP around the clock in the Tlicho language? Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Minister of Justice , Mr. Bell .

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank the Member for the question. This is an issue the Member has raised a number of times. We've had discussion in committee about the challenge. I think it's particularly heightened in the Tlicho region where there are many unilingual speakers. We want to make sure they

have access to the RCMP. So it is something we have raised with the RCMP. I am prepared and have indicated to the Member that we would go into the community and talk about policing issues, along with the Minister of MACA . We will be doing that shortly after session. I think we need to propose a number of potential solutions and discuss how they may work. One of the things we know is that Justice has piloted a program called Can Talk, which involves translation of something like 150 languages for court services and other justice programming. It is something we have offered to the RCMP and I will follow up with those discussions. Thank you.

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Jackson Lafferty

North Slave

Mr. Speaker, in light of the recognition of the Tlicho language as one of the largest aboriginal communities and we also speak our language, I am glad the Minister recognizes that. We are faced with a dilemma in the community where there is a lack of communication between the departments. a lack of understanding. Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister, could the Minister commit to hiring a full-time Tlicho speaking, whether it be receptionist, clerk or dispatch, at Behchoko detachment for after hour services. Mahsi.

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, I think it's best that we sit down with the community and talk about some options. Obviously the concern is after hours and we need to come up with some sort of 24-hour mechanism in order to do it in a cost-effective manner. We have looked at solutions like this translation service through the telephone. I am not sure that that would be adequate. It's possible we can work with other departments and talk about the need maybe at the health centre. Potentially there is translation there that we could borrow. Mr. Speaker, I will say that this is a problem.

We can't go by the number of asks, because I have a feeling that many people would not come forward with concerns when they know the service isn't available. So I think the first step is to go to the community and talk about how we might provide a service like this. Thank you.

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Jackson Lafferty

North Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, when the opportunity arises in a partnership, we are always happy to join forces with departments or the Ministers. On this particular issue, the community would like to see some results, whether it be this year or next year, but the sooner the better. So I would like to ask the Minister if he's willing to make a commitment in this House, whether this will be part of the business plan cycle for 2007 to implement for next year. Mahsi.

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, I can't make that commitment on behalf of the RCMP. Obviously we don't provide them direct operational advice. We can't indicate to them where they have to put their resources, but I will raise this with the RCMP. I will come to the community and I will give the commitment to the Member in this House that we will work to find a solution. I know this is a need in the community and I do appreciate the region's support in this regard. So we will work with the region to try to address this problem. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bell . Supplementary, Mr. Lafferty . Oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 160-15(5): All-weather Road Access To The Diamond Mines

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Page 395

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I was getting to in my Member's statement, I was talking about this government not taking a sit down approach when dealing with the federal government. Mr. Speaker, we need year-round access to our mining corridor and, Mr. Speaker, we need a Transportation Minister to deliver that message. So to start to get to some of the answers to these questions, can the Minister tell me if his Department of Transportation has any preliminary estimates or any information on how much industry has spent this spring and summer because of the loss of their winter road access through flying in all the materials to the mines? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Minister of Transportation , Mr. McLeod.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I can't guarantee the accuracy, but my information that we have through our discussions with a joint venture group has indicated that the costs, because of the winter road situation to the mines, will run around $100 million. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yesterday in Yellowknife, it was plus five degrees. I checked the weather before I came downstairs, it was plus three degrees in Yellowknife and it was plus nine in Hay River. So I am getting at the fact that the climate is changing. Does the Minister of Transportation have any estimates on what it would cost to turn the Ingraham Trail into a year-round road, not of paving or chipseal quality, but simply a year-round access road to the diamond mine corridor? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don't have a firm number on what it would cost to build an all-weather road. We have been working with a joint venture company, stakeholders that utilize this winter road and had looked at a number of options including an all-weather road. I think there were 18 different scenarios that we were looking at as options. They narrowed it down to two or three. We haven't scoped it all out. An engineering firm has been hired to do some of the early assessments. We certainly will work with them and support them, but I don't have a firm number at this point. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister earlier said it was approximately $100 million spent in resupplying the mines this spring and summer, Mr. Speaker. I think it's a shame that that money is being spent in that regard. We could be putting it into real infrastructure, Mr. Speaker. When we have a Prime Minister who says if we do not approve the pipeline, there will be no resource deal, so, Mr. Speaker, let's turn that around and say if the Prime Minister doesn't approve infrastructure and a resource deal for the NWT, we should say no pipeline, Mr. Speaker. Let's show him who truly is standing up for the NWT.

With that said, Mr. Speaker, would this Minister be willing to build a coalition approach with the industry such as the mining groups and go stand up to Ottawa and say we need their support? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Of course. I think we are already taking the first steps to do that. We have participated as stakeholders with the joint venture initiatives that are underway. We have also been working with the Tlicho and the Tlicho corridor to look at realignment, look at scoping out what it would cost to do work in that area. There are a number of initiatives on the table here. I don't know if we are ready to move forward and go pound on the Minister's door in Ottawa until we have some firm numbers on how we would cost-share some of these initiatives.

I have to point out also that the $100 million costs are not government costs. Those were the mining companies that had to bear that burden, so that's not something that we have any flexibility on. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Well, that $100 million would have been good money going into highway infrastructure, Mr. Speaker, with a partnership three ways with the federal and territorial government, but that's another argument. Mr. Speaker, can I get some timelines from this Minister? Nunavut is considering the Bathurst Inlet port and if we are asleep at the switch too long, they are going to jump ahead of us on this opportunity. So what type of timeline can this Minister of Transportation tell me he's going to work with industry to ensure we are doing this project in a timely way? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have already had some early discussion on this. We've had some face-to-face meetings with industry. We have had some discussions on some of the options with different stakeholders. So we have already embarked on looking at how we can deal with some of these initiatives. Of course, this coming winter is going to give us a better understanding of what we are really up against. Are there ways we can look at alternate routes? Are there ways we can consider some other options is something we will have to decide.

I want to point out though that we have already, along with the Premier , sat down with the federal Minister and indicated that these were some of our concerns and these were some of the issues that may be coming forward. So we've already taken the first steps. There is still a lot of legwork to do in trying to resolve some of these issues. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

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Question 161-15(5): Incentive Programs To Address Housing Utility Costs

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions are for the Minister of the NWT Housing Corporation , Mr. David Krutko . In my Member's statement today, Mr. Speaker, I talked about the real challenges of northerners living in their own homes and living in rented homes, and the cost of living and how they struggle to address that cost of living. I don't know exactly what would be the best vehicle for delivering a program that could assist with making homes more energy efficient, but I have not been too impressed with what I've seen so far in terms of tangible efforts on behalf of this government.

Right now under the NWT Housing Corporation there's funding available for emergency home repairs, seniors' home repairs, so it's something that's along those same lines. It would not be grants, but even if residents could get interest-free loans that they could pay back over a period of time, they would recover the cost of the money they would invest by the savings in their homes. It could be for a fairly short list of improvements. It could be siding; it could be insulation; it could be new windows; it could be a pellet stove, a wood stove; something that would make their cost of living more affordable.

Is this something that the NWT Housing Corporation has even contemplated and would there be anything that would preclude the Housing Corporation from undertaking such a program? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd just like to thank the Member for her question, because I think it's important that we do look at new initiatives and make sure we're able to assist residents to bring down the cost of operating and maintaining a home, but I think it's important we change the method.

I think one of the best programs I've seen today, especially where people depend on the Fuel Subsidy Program, we have a program where we assist seniors by putting monitor heaters in their homes as a secondary heat source, which they're able to sustain the fuel that they do get through the subsidy program but it gets them through the winter because it's up and it's energy efficient. It also consumes less fuel so they're able to use the fuel that they do have over a longer period.

I mean these types of initiatives that we've piloted, we've done with different communities, but I think it's through the Emergency Repair Program we have. We can have a universal program like that for all communities and I think it will really assist in the cost of living, it will assist us in the cost of the Fuel Subsidy Program. But I think, more importantly, how do we operate and maintain homes, bring down the cost of energy but, more importantly, make it affordable for people to live in it.

So we do have programs, such as the monitor heater program I mentioned, but we do have other areas in regards to the programs we have for repairs, emergency repairs, RRAP, in regards to people with disabilities.

But I think we do have to look at the programs we have. We are looking at coming forward with a consolidation of our programs. We're hoping to come out with something in the new year which will have those features in it. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am aware of those programs. I am talking about a new program. You know, kudos on all that and thank you for that, but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm asking for a set aside amount of money in a revolving fund that can be loaned out to homeowners to do energy saving upgrades to their home. Is there any capital, or does the Minister know of any source of capital, which could be the start of something like this that could be implemented in the near future? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we are looking at consolidating our programs into four general areas, and also we're looking at increasing the borrowing limits that we have had in these programs before. I think by increasing that, looking at especially the eligibility criteria that we have in our programs so that it's more accessible to all residents in the Northwest Territories. But more importantly, we do look at the energy efficiency of how do we improve homes to make them more energy efficient but also make them cost neutral so you're not spending more money.

If anything, you'll be spending less money to operate and maintain a home. So we are bringing that forward by way of consolidation of our programs from the 14 programs we have to date into four general areas. So with that change, we're hoping we will see a real change in the programs we deliver. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Okay, Mr. Speaker, thank you. I'd like to make this really simple. I'm a resident of the Northwest Territories. Say as an example I'm having a hard time affording to heat my home. I would like to have $3,000 to install a pellet stove in my house. I would like the government to loan me that money interest free, and over a period of time I would pay it back and I would use the savings on my heating cost to pay back that loan. Is such a program available? Do you have the capital anywhere? Is this doable? Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, the programs we have today are needs tested. They don't allow all residents to have access to our programs, and I think that's why we are looking at changing that. We are developing energy plans and whatnot that we're putting in place. But more importantly, we realize we do have to change the programs and services we do deliver, working with other departments to look at this by way of looking at the energy we use but, more importantly, by consolidating, changing the criteria we have in our program. So we are looking at that by the way of the consolidation of programs. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I just want to say that I was not speaking about myself personally when I was...I was just trying to give you an example to make it very clear for the Minister. Mr. Speaker, I'm talking about a new program and I don't want it to be needs assessed. Many people who have two income earners out there still don't have the money to do an energy upgrade or add something to their house that would make it more affordable, so I don't want this to have a test applied to it. I want it to be a loan. The money would be paid back. It would be in a revolving fund.

All it's going to cost the government is the administration. I'm not talking about existing funds. Would the Minister undertake a new program to assist residents with their cost of living? Is there any money in the system for that? Thank you.

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David Krutko

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Mr. Speaker, at the present time, no, there is no such program in existence.

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Paul Delorey

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Mr. Speaker, thank you. My questions this afternoon are for Mr. Dent , the Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board of the NWT and Nunavut. Mr. Speaker, the WCB set out a new policy for chronic pain in 2004. The Valic decision of the NWT Supreme Court of 2005 rejected this policy on the basis that it was discriminatory. Mr. Speaker, the Minister, in a letter to my colleague Ms. Lee in June of this year, said the WCB was going to reapply to the Supreme Court to see if its new policy was indeed going to comply with these constitutional issues. Mr. Speaker, has this been done and has the WCB now got a policy that won't violate workers' rights anymore, Mr. Speaker?

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Paul Delorey

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I think while Justice Schuler's decision did comment on the policy in effect as of 2004, the decision and the ruling was based on the policy in place as of 2001. So that was the reason that the WCB was considering having a constitutional look at the 2004 policy, to see if it would fit the test. In fact, I'm advised the WCB has decided that they are going to go out to stakeholders and take a look at redrafting the 2004 policy over the course of the next few months. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Bill Braden

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to see if I get this straight now. So the WCB has decided not to take the direct step of going to court and checking its work out, it's instead going to go to stakeholders and add yet more months, perhaps even longer, to getting a policy that is constitutionally correct, Mr. Speaker?

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Thank you