Budget, Oral Questions, Wildlife — 4 April 1995 (12th Assembly, 7th Session, pp. 793–819)
1995-04-04, 12th Assembly 7th Session, pp. 793–819
Northwest Territories — Debates (Hansard)
Debates of April 4th, 1995
This is page numbers 793 - 819 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 7th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.
The word of the day was services .
Topics
Members Present
Item 1: Prayer
Air Tankers
Nahanni Ram Tourism Association Funding Cutbacks
Negotiations To Amend The Migratory Birds Convention
Concerns With The Labour Standards Act
Canadian Space Agency Tour
Implementation Of Custom Adoption Recognition Act
Mercy Killings
Member's Statement Re Government's In Action In Fulfilling Requirements Of Official Languages Act
Source Of Authority Of Elected Officials
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Translation Of Legislation Into Aboriginal Languages
Regulations Re
Section 11 Of Official Languages Act
Elimination Of Funding For Legal Interpreting Services
Elimination Of Funding For Legal Interpreting Services
Provision Of Funding For Services In French
Guidelines For Provision Of Services In Official Languages
Status Of Community Futures Program
Funding Increase For Tourism In Deh Cho
Consultation Re Amendments To Migratory Birds Convention
Establishment Of Bipartite Committee On Employment Standards Legislation
Written Question 19-12(7): Northern Preference Commitments With Nova Construction Limited
Written Question 20-12(7):
Summary Of International Travel
Written Question 21-12(7): Proposed Amendment To The Migratory Birds Convention
Written Question 22-12(7): Health Concerns Regarding Seal Meat
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Bill 1: Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1995-96Committee Report 4-12(7): Report On The Review Of The 1995-96 Main Estimates
To Adopt Recommendation 5
To Adopt Recommendation 6
Defer Consideration Of Department Of Justice
Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
Item 22: Orders Of The Day
Members Present
Mr. Allooloo , Mr. Antoine , Hon. Silas Arngna'naaq , Mr. Ballantyne , Hon. Nellie Cournoyea , Mr. Dent , Hon. Samuel Gargan , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Koe , Mr. Lewis , Mrs. Marie-Jewell , Ms. Mike , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Richard Nerysoo , Hon. Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. Patterson , Mr. Pudlat , Mr. Pudluk , Hon. John Todd , Mr. Whitford , Mr. Zoe
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Item 1: Prayer
Item 1: Prayer
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Pudlat . Good afternoon. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Morin .
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Minister's Statement 57-12(7): Air Tankers
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
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Don Morin
Tu Nedhe
Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to inform the Legislative Assembly that on Friday, March 31, 1995, Transport Canada issued dry leases to Buffalo Airways Limited for the four federally-owned CL-215 water bomber air tankers.
Buffalo Airways Limited will staff, operate and maintain these aircraft under a separate contract with the Government of the Northwest Territories for a period of five years. Buffalo Airways took possession in Abbotsford, BC, and the first aircraft was ferried to Red Deer, Alberta, on Sunday afternoon.
The three remaining air tankers are presently being prepared. The transfer process is expected to be completed by next weekend. The CL-215s will then be positioned at their bases during the third week in April. They will be ready for the May 1st availability date as required by the contract.
Mr. Speaker, I am also pleased to inform the House that Buffalo Airways intends to subcontract Bird Dog support services jointly between Landa Aviation of Hay River and Northwestern Air Lease of Fort Smith. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Minister's Statement 57-12(7): Air Tankers
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Antoine .
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Nahanni Ram Tourism Association Funding Cutbacks
Item 3: Members' Statements
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Jim Antoine
Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today, I would like to talk about tourism in the Nahendeh region. Mr. Speaker, the general consensus of the tourism industry in the north is no secret. This industry is fast becoming one of the areas targeted as a revenue generating vehicle for the Government of the Northwest Territories. In the Nahendeh region, the tourism industry has seen its share of activity. People have
identified the opportunities that are in our backyard and that are worth marketing to the rest of the world.
As a result of zone contribution cutbacks, NRTA and its objectives are in jeopardy. With a reduction of $200,000 in zone contributions this year, the NRTA will have this year's proposed contribution, or 60 per cent of its budget, slashed by almost $23,000, or almost 48 per cent of this year's total contribution. Of the eight tourism zones affected by contribution reductions, the NRTA will see the biggest cuts.
Mr. Speaker, I'm running out of time. I seek unanimous consent to finish my statement. Mahsi.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Antoine .
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Nahanni Ram Tourism Association Funding Cutbacks
Item 3: Members' Statements
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Jim Antoine
Nahendeh
Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. The NRTA has made great strides in the last few years and, as a result, the industry is growing, the economy is benefitting, and the whole region is beginning to realize the significance of the Nahanni Ram Tourism Association. I would like to take this time to mention some important accomplishments.
For the first time, the board of directors of the Nahanni Ram Tourism Association is an all-native board. The NRTA has its first native outfitter, North Nahanni Naturalist Lodge, which is owned by Loyal and Rea Letcher. Development of tourism infrastructure by the communities reflects a new era of cooperation of community involvement. NRTA has started networking with other native organizations across Canada to integrate plans with proven and established resources.
The NRTA cooperative marketing initiative for the fiscal year 1994-95 is the highest in history, reflecting an increase in membership. NRTA's focus on cultural interactive tours reflects cultural enhancement as a viable product and marketing strategy. Mr. Speaker, this last point is a key point and the benefits are twofold; these traditional skills can be passed on to the younger generation and, at the same time, contribute to providing a product for this emerging industry in the Deh Cho region.
With even more initiatives in the works, Mr. Speaker, and a positive revenue-generating potential clearly identified, it does not make any sense to reduce core funding to this particular zone. In line with NRTA's directive, the federal government places tourism as a high priority item for increased funding. Mr. Speaker, in Prime Minister Jean Chretien's speech to the tourism industry association in Vancouver last October, he recognized the industry. Last year, the federal government committed $15 million to tourism promotion and realized its potential plans to increase tourism funding to $50 million this year.
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Item 3: Members' Statements
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Zoe .
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Negotiations To Amend The Migratory Birds Convention
Item 3: Members' Statements
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Henry Zoe
North Slave
Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. As most Members are aware, in 1916 a conservation agreement called "The Migratory Birds Convention" was developed to protect and manage, on a sustainable basis, those birds that migrate between Canada and the United States. Under the convention, both countries enacted laws and regulated the hunting of migratory birds by aboriginal people and sports hunters.
As I understand it, Mr. Speaker, the Canadian Wildlife Services of Environment Canada led a series of consultations across the country and the Northwest Territories between 1991 and 1993 to amend the Migratory Birds Convention Act. The act was then amended in 1994 to include a non-derogation provision to secure aboriginal and treaty rights with respect to migratory birds. Now, in 1995, the convention is in the process of being changed to recognize these treaty and aboriginal rights, consistent with
section 35(1) of the Constitution Act of 1982 of Canada.
The federal government is presently set to begin the final negotiations with the United States to amend the convention. I've been communicating directly with one of the aboriginal representatives on the Canadian negotiating team on this important issue, Mr. Speaker, in an attempt to put forth the concern and represent the issues of my constituents. I won't go into the details at this time, but I will say that the Dogrib Treaty 11 Council and the people of the North Slave region generally have a number of concerns with the federal government's latest proposal for change.
The point I would like to make, Mr. Speaker, is that if our government, namely the Department of Renewable Resources, has a position on the proposed amendments and the impending negotiation, we, in the North Slave, are not aware of it. While I recognize and acknowledge the role and contribution of the department representing the views of all territorial residents in providing input into the revision of the act, I'm at a loss to determine their role in representing those same interests in the negotiations to amend the convention, itself.
The people of the North Slave and the Dogrib Treaty 11 Council need to be assured that their aboriginal and treaty rights are protected and that, in an effort to remove barriers to harvesting, new ones are not being created that could impact on future generations.
Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
The Member for North Slave is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Zoe .
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Negotiations To Amend The Migratory Birds Convention
Item 3: Members' Statements
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Henry Zoe
North Slave
Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. As I indicated, the federal government is presently set to make these changes and the people of the North Slave and the Dogrib Treaty 11 Council need to be assured that their aboriginal and treaty rights are protected and that, in an effort to remove barriers to harvesting, new ones are not being created that could impact on future generations.
These are important developments, Mr. Speaker, and I will be following up with some questions for the Minister of Renewable Resources on this issue later during question period. Mahsi.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Zoe . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Dent .
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Concerns With The Labour Standards Act
Item 3: Members' Statements
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Charles Dent
Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I was recently talking to the president of the Chamber of Commerce who told me of some concerns held by the business community about our Labour Standards Act. He suggested that labour standards should be easy to understand, equally applied and vigorously enforced. Right now, the feeling is that our labour legislation is complex, unsuited for many business sectors and is not monitored at all.
Following that conversation, Mr. Speaker, I called the president of the Federation of Labour and found labour concerns to be remarkably similar. The federation's position is that our current act is outdated and in urgent need of being updated. In fact, they tell me they have met twice this year with the Minister to press for action on our current legislation.
Mr. Speaker, it is not every day that business and labour groups agree so wholeheartedly on an issue. Not that there won't be differing opinions among business and labour about some of the changes needed, but it is noteworthy that they both feel the urgent need to address our current labour standards legislation.
Mr. Speaker, both groups are also disappointed that there has not been more action resulting from the recommendation of the report of the labour standards law review panel into employment standards in the NWT, which was commissioned by the Government of the Northwest Territories and tabled in the Legislature in October of 1990.
Mr. Speaker, neither group is, at this time, recommending a $1 million plus commission, like the Northern Workplace Commission earlier proposed by this government. Whether or not this government should take over labour relations from the federal government is something that can be considered later. What is needed now is some action on labour standards, an area which is already within this government's jurisdiction.
Mr. Speaker, given the time left before an election and our current fiscal situation, we need a relatively quick and inexpensive solution. I note that the Minister has already committed to review the minimum wage; this is just one small part of the labour standards issue. Why not approach business and labour asking them to each put a representative forward to work on a bipartite committee with an impartial chair, and use the report, which was tabled in 1990 in the Legislature, as a starting point?
Mr. Speaker, I see that I am going to run out of time. I would like to seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. The Member for Yellowknife Frame Lake is requesting unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement, Mr. Dent .
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Concerns With The Labour Standards Act
Item 3: Members' Statements
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Charles Dent
Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker, honourable Members. Mr. Speaker, such a panel could review that report and further review standards across Canada and then make recommendations for immediate action to change our current Labour Standards Act. Such a panel could also advise on what further action might be necessary.
With the proper terms of reference, such an approach could ensure that essential amendments to our Labour Standards Act could be ready for consideration, perhaps by our June session; at the latest, by the new Legislative Assembly before the end of this calendar year.
Mr. Speaker, the panel which reported on the Labour Standards Act in 1990 found much of our existing act too ambiguous and open to varied
interpretation and inconsistent with current practise in other jurisdictions. As they said in their report, an employment standards act must be clear, concise and simply written, and must fulfil the expectations and requirements necessary for the decade of development that appears to be coming in the 1990s.
Mr. Speaker, we are now more than half way through this decade and nothing has been done to update our labour standards. It is time to get on with the job. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Koe .
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Canadian Space Agency Tour
Item 3: Members' Statements
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Fred Koe
Inuvik
Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today marks the start of the Canadian Space Agency tour in the western Arctic. This is a voluntary event sponsored by Canadian North, Aklak Air and the Northern Air Transport Association, plus contributions from other corporate sources. One of our Canadian astronauts, Julie Payette, will be touring Yellowknife plus the communities of Aklavik, Inuvik, Fort McPherson, Tsiigehtchic, Tuktoyaktuk and Norman Wells. She will be visiting most of the educational institutions in these communities.
This tour will be promoting that children and adults stay in school and also encourage them to study science. I wish Astronaut Payette all the best on her tour and encourage all school children and members of the public to attend and participate in the events scheduled in each community. I also wish to thank all the organizers, the volunteers and the corporate sponsors of this tour. Mahsi.
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Item 3: Members' Statements
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Patterson .
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Implementation Of Custom Adoption Recognition Act
Item 3: Members' Statements
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Dennis Patterson
Iqaluit
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Custom Adoption Recognition Act was assented to on November 10, 1994. Hundreds, if not thousands of people of all ages are waiting for a mechanism to be put in place to implement this act. They are waiting for birth certificates, they are waiting for social insurance numbers. I know some young people in my riding who were adopted by custom, who haven't been able to go through the terribly convoluted procedures required by the courts to get their adoption recognized. They feel that they won't be able to work until they have a social insurance number.
And some people feel even more strongly that their very identity is in question until they have a birth certificate.
Now, Mr. Speaker, the act is very simple, it's elegantly simple. All we need to do is appoint native custom adoption Commissioners in every one of our communities. Their role would be simply to confirm that adoptions which have taken place conform with customary adoption law. The Commissioner would receive a fee for each certificate they issue. The certificate is then filed with the courts; it automatically becomes a Supreme Court order. Then vital statistics automatically issues a birth certificate.
As I said, Mr. Speaker, the bill was passed last November. However, the act has not yet been proclaimed in force. As of this date, no Commissioners have been appointed. As of this date, the proposed new forms for adoption commissioners have not yet been finalized.
Mr. Speaker, many, many people in all our ridings are waiting for this bill to be implemented. All we need to take are some very simple steps. For heaven's sake, Mr. Speaker, let's get on with the priority and next simple steps required to implement the Custom Adoption Recognition Act already passed by this House. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mrs. Marie-Jewell .
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Mercy Killings
Item 3: Members' Statements
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Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I would like to comment on an issue that has been brought to my attention by the Fort Smith Society for Disabled Persons. The issue is "Mercy Killing." As you know, Mr. Speaker, the society is highly respected by the residents of my constituency, as it's volunteers contribute countless hours towards helping those who must struggle with physical and mental illness and disabilities.
Mr. Speaker, the Society for Disabled Persons is also respected as a voice for those individuals whose physical limitations have made it difficult to speak out. From time to time, the board offers comments on issues of importance to disabled people, not only at the local or territorial level, but nationally.
Mr. Speaker, recently I have received correspondence from Sister Sutherland who is the president of the society. On behalf of the entire board she raised their serious concerns about apparent trends for its mass approval of what had been described as mercy killing of the severely disabled.
Mr. Speaker, I would like to share her words with my colleagues in this House, and I quote from her letter, "This society believes that persons with a disability should not have to live at the mercy of anyone who does not respect them and support them as they are. Disabled persons have much to offer family, friends and care givers and deserve their love and respect at all times. We believe that life is sacred for all and is a gift of God which no one has the right to take away. The Great Creator and Father of all will come for each one of us when he decides it is the right time.
We ask you, as our MLA, to speak out and ask all northerners for their compassion, their love and their respect for all, before it is too late for someone in the Northwest Territories who lives with a disability."
Those thoughts were communicated to me in a letter from the Fort Smith Society for Disabled Persons, dated March 15th. Mr. Speaker, I think we are all aware that recent instances surrounding the termination of life for disabled persons does evoke powerful legal, political, and particularly moral questions.
I seek unanimous consent to continue with my statement.
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Mercy Killings
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
The Member for Thebacha is requesting unanimous consent to conclude her statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Mrs. Marie-Jewell , conclude your statement.
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Mercy Killings
Item 3: Members' Statements
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Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thebacha
Thank you. Mr. Speaker, like many Canadians, I know that I've found myself drawn to contemplate the circumstances of Susan Rodriguez, who chose to end her life with her physician's assistance, and may God bless her soul. More recently, similar questions have arisen from the trial of Robert Latimer, a Saskatchewan grain farmer convicted of killing his 12-year-old daughter who suffered from severe cerebral palsy. The court's decision to find Mr. Latimer guilty of second-degree murder is now under appeal.
Mr. Speaker, those are not remote, irrelevant issues for northerners. They confront us as we talk, think and pray about the sort of society we want to have.
Indeed, I recall that a similar matter came before the Bourque commission for constitutional development, and the commission's first report, Working Towards a Common Future, even recommended, and I quote, "A new western territory constitution should establish the right of a competent person of majority age to refuse medical treatment to prolong life for themselves or their minor children." Ideas about entrenching such rights bring us face to face with questions about the sacredness of life, Mr.
Speaker, and will require careful thought and open discussions in our homes, in our communities and the forums from which our draft constitution will emerge.
I'd like to thank Sister Sutherland and the board of the Fort Smith Society for Disabled Persons for bringing this important subject to our attention, and I applaud their continuing commitment to improving and safeguarding the dignity in life and the quality of life among the disabled. Thank you.
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Mercy Killings
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mrs. Marie-Jewell . Item 3, Members' statements. Ms. Mike .
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Member's Statement Re Government's In Action In Fulfilling Requirements Of Official Languages Act
Item 3: Members' Statements
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Rebecca Mike
Baffin Central
(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. With the Northwest Territories 1984 languages legislation, and with significant amendments in the 1990s, speakers of aboriginal languages across the Northwest Territories had high hopes that they would be able to use their own languages in more of their communications with government offices, but I'm afraid these high hopes have not been realized.
The First Annual Report of the Commissioner of Official Languages was tabled in this House on December 14, 1993. In
chapter three, the Languages Commissioner notes that the government did not make any public announcement of the coming into force of subsection 14(2) at the end of 1992. A brochure...
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Your time has run out, Ms. Mike .
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Rebecca Mike
Baffin Central
(Translation) I seek unanimous consent to conclude my Member's statement.
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Samuel Gargan
The Member for Baffin Central is requesting unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement, Ms. Mike .
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Rebecca Mike
Baffin Central
Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and colleagues. A brochure which was to describe the act and the rights of NWT residents under the act was referred to in that report, but the brochure itself was not ready until December 1994. Most importantly, the government has not yet produced any specific regulations, policies, directives or guidelines to assist the departments and other government institutions in the delivery of services under
section 14.
During the review of 1994-95 main estimates in the House in February 1994, the honourable Premier said that the drafting of such directives would be a priority for the official languages unit of the Executive. On April 6, 1994, the Premier answered the question regarding those directives by saying I believe the work is almost complete. The planned directives eventually became known as the official languages handbook. When the Standing Committee on Agencies, Boards and Commissions reviewed the first annual report, they recommended that the government publish its official languages handbook by December 31, 1994.
This recommendation was adopted by the House on November 4, 1994, Mr. Speaker. I understand that the draft handbook has been developed and has gone to the departments for their comments. However, it is now more than three months after the deadline set by the Standing Committee on Agencies, Boards and Commissions and almost exactly a year after the Premier believed the work was almost complete. Meanwhile, residents of the NWT, government departments and institutions still have no specific guidelines concerning how the government will meet its obligations under the Official Languages Act.
Mr. Speaker, I find this state of affairs unacceptable. Speakers of aboriginal languages in the Northwest Territories have the right to communicate with the government in their languages, but these rights are not being met because of the government's in action. I intend to pursue this matter further by questioning the Premier on this issue later today. Thank you.
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Page 797
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Ms. Mike . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Lewis .
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Source Of Authority Of Elected Officials
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 797
Brian Lewis
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. For many hundreds of years, Mr. Speaker, throughout Europe, Africa and Asia, leaders emerged who governed people and it was expected that they would govern wisely and that people would be happy under their rules.
The very reason for that was because it was a tradition that the leader got his power from the Creator. It was the divine right of this person to rule. Therefore, for hundreds and hundreds of years, we had rules that convinced millions of people throughout the world that they got their power from God. Therefore, they were completely invulnerable. You couldn't touch them. It happened with the emperor of Japan, the empress of China, leaders in Africa and the crowned kings of Europe. They and their public believed that they got their power from God.
One of the things that happened in the development of parliamentary democracy was that the people said no, you get your power from us. You don't get it from God. I would like Members to remember that as we debate in these dying months of our Assembly. Power comes from the people and not from God. In the four years that we sit in this House, we should be always mindful of that. In a representative parliamentary democracy, we are here to speak because we represent people and the real power is with the people. They should have certain powers which, over the next while, we'll have a chance to debate. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Ms. Cournoyea .
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Further Return To Question 366-12(7): Legal Opinion On Contracting Summer Students
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Page 797
Nellie Cournoyea
Nunakput
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked of the Honourable John Pollard , chairman of the Financial Management Board , by Mr. Allooloo on March 30, 1995. It is regarding the legal opinion on contracting summer students.
Mr. Speaker, pursuant to its collective agreement with the Union of Northern Workers, the Government of the Northwest Territories is required to seek the views of the Union of Northern Workers before finalizing any plans to contract out work which would result in employees becoming redundant.
From a legal perspective, consulting with the union on contracting out is only one consideration related to employing summer students through outside agencies. Another matter of substance in this regard is whether the students would still be
deemed employees of the government, even if they were employed through a third party .
Notwithstanding the existence of a "contract for services," an independent contractor may be deemed to be an employee if an employer/employee relationship exists. If an individual is deemed to be an employee of the Government of the Northwest Territories, the provisions of the Public Service Act and the Union of Northern Workers Act would apply, and the government would have to pay wages agreed upon in the collective agreement.
There is no clear test that is used to determine if an individual is a contractor or an employee, although Revenue Canada provides guidelines and criteria to assist in this determination which are published in the government's financial administration manual and in the human resource manual. Contractors generally have control over how and when they do work, they use their own tools and equipment and they have an opportunity for profit or loss from the work. If summer students were hired to do government work in government premises, using government equipment, supervised by government employees, they would be deemed government employees.
There is also a principle of labour and employment law which provides that an employer may contract out work, if the contracts are made in good faith and for bona fide business purposes. If the government contracted work out solely to avoid the imposition of the terms of the collective agreement, this would clearly breach this principle. Thank you.
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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
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Page 798
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Kakfwi .
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Further Return To Question 298-12(7): Status Of Maximum Secure Facility For Nwt
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
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Page 798
Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Mr. Speaker, I have two returns. One is a response to a question asked by Mr. Whitford on March 9th regarding the status of a maximum secure facility for the Northwest Territories.
The Joint Committee on Repatriation of Federal Offenders to the Northwest Territories has concluded that the most appropriate action is to consider the transfer of minimum security federal inmates, who can be safely held in existing territorial facilities. Discussions now ongoing with the federal government do not include the possibility of constructing a maximum secure facility in the north.
A number of federal inmates are presently in northern custody under an exchange of services agreement, signed in 1986 for a period of 10 years. There was a substantial capital contribution when that agreement was signed, that allowed the construction of an additional 20 beds for federal use in Yellowknife and in Hay River. The discussions now occurring are based on the renewal of that exchange of services agreement, and must be concluded by March 31, 1996 when the existing agreement expires. A new capital contribution will be part of the agreement if there is any increase in the number of federal inmates to be transferred.
The new agreement will last for three years, instead of 10. Renewal of the agreement will reoccur in 1999, at which time separate agreements can be made with the western Arctic and with Nunavut.
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Further Return To Question 293-12(7): Acquiring Responsibility For Processing Security Clearances
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Page 798
Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Mr. Speaker, my second return is in response to a question asked by Mrs. Marie-Jewell on March 9th regarding the responsibility for processing security clearances.
Mrs. Marie-Jewell asked a question of whether or not it was possible to acquire the responsibility for doing security clearances for northern people in the Northwest Territories. Presently, a criminal record check is required for security clearance for individuals applying for positions such as, but not limited to: social worker, nurse, teacher or Department of Justice positions. This requirement is stated in the advertisement for each particular position.
The legal requirements of the Canadian police information system are such that it is not possible for the Department of Justice to acquire the responsibility for doing security clearances for northern people. Even if it were possible, it is reasonable to believe that the process would, in fact, be slower, resulting in unnecessary prejudice to those seeking employment with this government. Thank you.
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Page 798
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Todd .
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Further Return To Question 363-12(7): Nwt Arts And Crafts At Cne
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
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Page 798
John Todd
Keewatin Central
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Ms. Mike on March 30th regarding possible NWT Development Corporation participation at the CNE.
to the supply of Arctic Foods and participation in the proposed daily fashion show.
There have been some initial discussions between NWT Development Corporation representatives and ITC concerning this proposal, and further meetings are tentatively scheduled later this month. Through these discussions, a range of options for participation will be explored. Each of the Development Corporation subsidiaries that are associated with Inuit arts, crafts, garment production, and Arctic Foods will be advised of the results of discussions with ITC representatives.
Participation will be contingent on the outcome of discussions with ITC representatives, consultations with the interested Development Corporation subsidiaries, and projections of costs and benefits. Thank you.
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Page 799
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Ng .
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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Page 799
Kelvin Ng
Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize two of my constituents from Cambridge Bay in the gallery, Mr. Ken Wessell and Mr. David Avakana.
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Page 799
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Ms. Mike .
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Rebecca Mike
Baffin Central
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Samuel Gargan
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Nellie Cournoyea
Nunakput
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Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 799
Rebecca Mike
Baffin Central
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If the Premier is not aware if she has made any request to have any acts translated into any of the official languages, what guidelines or regulations exist to determine when
an act should be translated into one of the official languages?
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Madam Premier .
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Nellie Cournoyea
Nunakput
Mr. Speaker, it is my understanding that the determination would be made by any request or serious need as it was requested before any of the acts would be translated.
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Rebecca Mike
Baffin Central
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Madam Premier .
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Nellie Cournoyea
Nunakput
Mr. Speaker, it is my understanding that the requirement for translation isn't an automatic occurrence. Where it makes sense, where it is needed and where it is requested, it will be translated. Primarily, most of the requests for translations have been for summaries of legislation, rather than for specific legislation, Mr. Speaker.
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Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Allooloo .
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Titus Allooloo
Amittuq
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Nellie Cournoyea
Nunakput
principles that are guiding the government in terms of public notices and signage. Thank you.
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Samuel Gargan
Supplementary, Mr. Allooloo .
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Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 800
Titus Allooloo
Amittuq
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Since there seems to be no regulation, even though the act has been in force since December 31, 1990 -- more than four years -- why has the government not prepared regulations as required by this legislation? Thank you.
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Madam Premier .
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Page 800
Nellie Cournoyea
Nunakput
Mr. Speaker, as the Member is aware, each language component in the Northwest Territories has a different status and a different requirement for that specific region. Rather than writing up regulations for the sake of regulations or guidelines, we are trying to be careful so that when we do put in place the guidelines, they reflect things that we can do. As well, it needs to reflect the fact that there are different demands in the Northwest Territories for the various languages that are spoken. Some languages are intact and we can move ahead much easier in Inuktitut, for example, because it is used.
Other areas need growth. It has been suggested that some of the work be done more verbally rather than written. These languages are in various stages of development and, therefore, the government has tried to be as flexible and cooperative as possible in supporting programs and initiatives that reflect the various language areas. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 800
Titus Allooloo
Amittuq
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The whole idea of having an Official Languages Act is to allow speakers of the official languages of the NWT to communicate with the government in their own language. Public notices published by government are an important means of communication. This is recognized by
section 11 of the act. This
section is meaningless if regulations do not exist to direct government departments and institutions regarding the translation of public notices into official languages. It seems to me that the government has not developed regulations. I would like to know, when will the government enact such regulations to adhere to
section 11 of the act? Thank you.
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Madam Premier .
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Nellie Cournoyea
Nunakput
Mr. Speaker, I don't want to object to the statement, but without the guidelines that are presently being processed...In terms of signage and posted notices, without regulations, that are taking place, so the Official Languages Act has been developed and these measures have taken place. However, I realize the importance of trying to get the policies and guidelines completed. We haven't done that.
As was stated earlier, when the guidelines were concluded and when we were officially negotiating with the federal government on the new funding arrangements and the possibility of more flexibility, we knew we could do better on the guidelines. So that work is being done. The guidelines are now circulated once again and we will try to get them done. We could have put out any ad hoc policy and they may not have been the type of guidelines that would work in the first place.
So we are attempting to work with the practical nature of the dollars we have and with a more flexible government approach on language expenditure. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Pudlat .
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Question 391-12(7): Elimination Of Funding For Legal Interpreting Services
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 800
Kenoayoak Pudlat
Baffin South
(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the same person, the Premier . Mr. Speaker,
section 12 of the Official Languages Act governs the use of official languages in the courts of the Northwest Territories. This is one area where I understand some success has been achieved. We now have a number of trained interpreters who can provide these involved judicial proceedings with appropriate
interpretation. Much of the credit for this should go to the legal interpreting
section of the Department of Justice.
In the 1995-96 main estimates, funding for legal interpreting was cut completely. I don't understand why such a successful office is subject to such a measure. Can the Premier explain why this office was eliminated? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
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Nellie Cournoyea
Nunakput
Mr. Speaker, I believe the specific item the Member is asking a question on is in the budget being deliberated in this House and will be answered when the budget appears before the House.
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I want to remind the Minister that Members are allowed to ask questions, whether the subject is in committee of the whole or not, on the budget.
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Kenoayoak Pudlat
Baffin South
(Translation) Mr. Speaker, as per your comments, I would like a response to the same question that I put forth before.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. The question to the Premier asked again by Mr. Pudlat is why they have eliminated the legal
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Nellie Cournoyea
Nunakput
Mr. Speaker, the Minister of Justice has legal
interpretation in his budget and I was only referring to the fact that the budget would be coming up immediately after Housing, which will be momentarily. The question would be better responded to by the Minister of Justice .
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Samuel Gargan
Supplementary, Mr. Pudlat .
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Kenoayoak Pudlat
Baffin South
(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Supplementary to the same Minister, I guess. How will the elimination of this office affect the ongoing use of interpreters in the NWT court system? This is my brief supplementary to the same Minister. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Mr. Pudlat , I believe the Premier has indicated that perhaps the two questions that you have asked of the Premier are better answered by the Minister of Justice . So, Mr. Pudlat , do you still want to ask the Premier the question or do you want to ask the Minister of Justice the same questions? Mr. Pudlat .
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Kenoayoak Pudlat
Baffin South
(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm not willing to let this issue go, but I'll pose the question at another time.
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Dennis Patterson
Iqaluit
Point of order.
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Samuel Gargan
Mr. Patterson , your point of order.
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Dennis Patterson
Iqaluit
Mr. Speaker, I understand that in response to the question posed to the Premier , the Premier said the question should be referred to another Minister. Would it not be appropriate for you, Mr. Speaker, to refer that question to the Minister designated by the Premier ?
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The Speaker
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Thank you, Mr. Patterson . I will follow up on the Premier 's suggestion to refer to the question to the Minister of Justice . There were two questions asked by Mr. Pudlat . Perhaps you would like to respond, Mr. Kakfwi .
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Mr. Speaker, there is some possibility of major reductions in the aboriginal languages program as a result of a change in funding levels from the federal government. At this time, the Member will note that in the proposed budget of Justice, there is a reduction of about a half person year in the Department of Justice for training legal interpreters, plus some reductions in the O and M requirements for the coming year.
This basically means that there is going to be a reduction in the support and training levels we've been able to maintain in previous years. The degree to which changes in funding will change the proposed budget of the Department of Justice is not clearly defined yet. The details will come out when the opportunity arises in committee of the whole for me to present the proposed budget for 1995-96 for the Department of Justice. Thank you.
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Is that okay, Mr. Pudlat ? Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Ningark .
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John Ningark
Natilikmiot
As I indicated earlier, I have no problem. But this seems to be a little odd to me. Especially when this government, through the Premier , lays off the government liaison officers, executive service officers who, in my community, in most cases, are used by the Inuktitut-speaking people who are not able to find interpreters and translators. My question to the Premier , Mr. Speaker, is who pays for the provision of French services for offices which have no French speaking employees? Thank you.
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Nellie Cournoyea
Nunakput
Mr. Speaker, the question is who pays for the provision of French services to offices where no one speaks French? Mr. Speaker, it would be my understanding that because there are no French-speaking people in that office or in that area, there would be no requirements for the provision of a person or people to do that work in that area. Thank you.
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Thank you. Mr. Ningark , supplementary.
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Nellie Cournoyea
Nunakput
Mr. Speaker, I just want to bring to the attention of individuals and Members that within the expenditure for languages, although we refer to the agreement on aboriginal languages between the federal government and the Northwest Territories government, the Government of the Northwest Territories also provides significant other dollars for language enhancement, such as in the Department of Education where language is taught in the schools. And certainly in a lot of other areas where there is a significant requirement. So there are other dollars that the Government of the Northwest Territories makes available for those expenditures.
The Department of Education, Culture and Employment, in cooperation with the departments of the Executive, Justice, Health and Social Services, and the public colleges, are looking at and conducting a review of the interpreter translation training programs delivered or used by these departments. They do say that:
"The purpose of their review is to assess the delivery structure of the existing training programs and to recommend any changes that will maximize the utilization of human and financial resources. An interim report containing the findings of the review will be submitted to the interdepartmental steering committee by the end of February..." which is there, "...and the final report containing recommendations will be submitted by March 15th."
So, Mr. Speaker, in trying to lend services to the various levels of government and due to our requirement to meet people's needs, we are trying to do everything possible. Not only with the dollars that are available through the aboriginal language agreement with the federal government, but also through resources available through the budget of the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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John Ningark
Natilikmiot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Supplementary to the same Minister. I would like to ask the Premier , is there a guideline or regulation that exists to determine exactly what is a significant demand? What is reasonable? Thank you.
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Nellie Cournoyea
Nunakput
Mr. Speaker, I believe that we have been very flexible on what significant demand has been. Where it makes sense, we try to offer the services and the support. So, I guess it is determined on the basis of how important it is and what we can do to accommodate the request. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Nellie Cournoyea
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Mr. Speaker, I believe that I have already answered that question. Thank you.
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Dennis Patterson
Iqaluit
Mr. Speaker, the Premier 's answers were quite unsatisfactory, that is why I am asking this question. The Premier earlier told Mr. Allooloo , well we could have put together ad hoc guidelines, but we wanted to do a proper job. Then she told Mr. Ningark that they wanted to have flexibility. About a year ago, she told this House that the work on these guidelines was almost complete. So, I would like to ask the Premier , which one is it? Are they going to be flexible? Are they going to finish the work? Mr. Speaker, what is the status of these guidelines she committed to completing over a year ago? Thank you.
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Nellie Cournoyea
Nunakput
I guess I will have to be repetitious. Over a year ago, we had committed to do these guidelines and policies. We were working very hard to get them completed, and the languages unit had put a lot of effort into getting those guidelines and policies completed. As we were moving along and getting these policies and guidelines in place, we were attempting to enhance or take into consideration the agreement between the federal government and the territorial government and aboriginal languages.
Subsequently, during the negotiations of the new agreement, we became aware that there would be some problems that would exist because of cutbacks or there would not be the amounts that we had become accustomed to. As a result, we took out the guidelines to see if the direction we were going made the best of the possible resources we would have. As well, we are well aware that some of the initiatives taken by aboriginal organizations and workshops show that some expenditures were requested to have a more community-based type of delivery. That affected the guidelines.
When the federal government began moving closer to the agreement, they were inclined to be more flexible. Therefore, the guidelines would take that approach, which would meet two objectives. One, what people have said they would like to see, more community involvement and more community-based language development. Now we can incorporate that and see where it can best fit in. We are trying to work that into the guidelines, Mr. Speaker.
I guess it is all of the three. The only problem is, we can't move as quickly as we had anticipated in the beginning to get those guidelines in place. We're trying our very best to do that. I said we should have them done earlier but we didn't. Other things came into play, like a new agreement and what people had recommended from the various workshops. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Dennis Patterson
Iqaluit
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is very informative to know of all of this work that is going on and why progress has not been made but I guess the problems remain, Mr. Speaker, for members of the public. We're dealing with
an act that was passed five years ago by Members of this Assembly, a legal obligation on the part of the Government of the Northwest Territories, with amendments, and we still today don't have any concrete guidelines explaining how it is to be implemented.
As a result, government departments have no direction on how they should conduct themselves under the act. Members of the public have no idea of their specific rights to deal with government offices in their own languages. I would like to ask the Premier , will she commit to publishing specific concrete guidelines and regulations immediately so that government departments and members of the public will know where they stand? Thank you.
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Nellie Cournoyea
Nunakput
Mr. Speaker, as I outlined earlier, the guidelines are presently being reviewed once again so we don't overlook any issues or make priorities different than what people are recommending. The booklets on the Official Languages Act have been produced. That was an earlier question. I know it is not definitive, but it does give general guidelines about what individuals can expect.
The language brochure is in all written languages and is widely circulated. Along with that, we realize we have to provide those guidelines and we'll do them as quickly as we can. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Fred Koe
Inuvik
Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yesterday in response to a question, the Premier indicated that the community futures program may be on the block and we may lose it. I believe there are four areas which host community futures program: Iqaluit, Rankin Inlet, Hay River and Inuvik. I would like to ask the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism , what is the status of the community futures program in the Northwest Territories?
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John Todd
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was recently in Ottawa meeting with Mr. Axworthy and our MP for Nunavut, Jack Anawak, on this issue. The community futures program was and is, I believe, at the national level, going to be transferred to the western diversification organization. We have asked Mr. Axworthy if he would consider transferring the current community futures program in the four areas Mr. Koe spoke about to the GNWT, and at this time he's agreed to initiate some discussions to see if there is a possibility that this transfer could take place. Thank you.
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Fred Koe
Inuvik
Thank you. The current community futures program, I believe, are all managed and directed by boards of directors. These boards are made up of people from the surrounding communities that the program services. If the programs are taken over by this government, will the existing boards be reappointed or will they be in place to continue to direct these programs?
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John Todd
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I know this program very well. I initiated it in the Keewatin a number of years ago. It's not our intent to change anything in this program. It is my understanding, at least from my experience, that it is highly successful in the NWT. It certainly is in the Baffin and Keewatin and I believe it is also in Inuvik and Hay River. While the discussions are somewhat preliminary at this time, I'm reasonably confident that as we move forward, we will have to do so in consultation with the community futures program groups in those four areas.
The transfer, if and when it takes place, will be done in a manner that would keep the boards, their lending and administration, as independent as they currently are. Thank you.
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Fred Koe
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I also believe the current managers of these programs are federal public servants. Will there be discussions, for the ones who wish, for them to transfer to the GNWT if that happens? Will they be allowed to do that?
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John Todd
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In my preliminary discussions with Mr. Axworthy, we talked about the possibility of transferring some of the jobs that are directly related to service in community futures program. That will all be on the table in our discussions with the federal Minister. Thank you.
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Question 396-12(7): Funding Increase For Tourism In Deh Cho
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Jim Antoine
Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Earlier today, I made a statement on the tourism industry in the Nahendeh area. I would like to follow up that statement with questions directed to the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism .
As I said in my statement earlier, there is a legitimate need for tourism enhancement in the Deh Cho. Can the Minister look into the current contribution for the Nahanni Ram Tourism Association and explore the possibility of increasing this year's contribution? Thank you.
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Keewatin Central
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Well, nobody will deny that Mr. Nahendeh...
---Laughter
Mr. Antoine 's riding, the Nahanni area -- in my opinion, anyway -- is certainly one of the premier attractions in the Northwest Territories for tourists.
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John Todd
Keewatin Central
But in the OPPLAN review for cuts we had to make some decisions and we made those. We tried to cut in as fair and equitable a way as possible. What I would say to the honourable Member is I understand there is going to be a meeting very soon of all the zones in the west, in an effort to determine an appropriate arrangement for a western tourist association. Should an appropriate accommodation be made with the different groups, I have stated to them, and I'll state again today, that we would be prepared, in consultation with the department, to transfer marketing dollars that are currently in the hands of the civil servants in the department into the hands of those associations.
I know there's no money right now for financing the zones with the zone budget allocations but there may be, subject to a satisfactory arrangement being made both in the east and west with the tourist associations, a possibility of additional marketing dollars being there that we would be prepared to transfer over to a representative group of associations both in the western Arctic and in the Nunavut area. Thank you.
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Jim Antoine
Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister tell the House if he would make commitments on behalf of the zone associations to take advantage of any type of federal government tourism marketing funding that I mentioned earlier in my statement? Thank you.
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John Todd
Keewatin Central
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I know we are looking at how we can lever additional federal dollars and federal dollar programs. We are currently having discussions with Mr. Irwin, in terms of a replacement for the EDA, which gets sunsetted in April 1, 1996. We have certainly been pursuing an alternative to that because we know it is going very aggressively. So I would say that we are going to make whatever effort we can to find new sources of funds outside of the current base funding that is provided to the territorial government and my department, as it relates to tourism.
I would stress again that if we can reach a satisfactory arrangement, with both east and west, in terms of the development of a tourist industry association, that clearly reflects the concerns of both those areas, we would be prepared to transfer existing dollars that we have in the department for marketing into those zones to assist them in making sure that the marketing is reflective of their needs and contributing to some of their administrative costs. Thank you.
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Jim Antoine
Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there are associations out there. The one I am familiar with is the Nahanni Ram Tourism Association. They are taking the initiative to become self-sufficient in developing a market in their area. Could the Minister secure additional funding for these associations that are taking these initiatives to be self-sufficient? Could he try to assist them in developing strategic plans for achieving their eventual financial independence? Thank you.
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John Todd
Keewatin Central
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I already said I am extremely pleased that we now have an association in Mr. Antoine 's riding that is more reflective of the population and should be more reflective of the industry. I would be prepared to instruct the department to sit down with the Nahanni Ram Association and see if there is some way, over and above what we are currently doing, we can assist them. From my own personal visit there two years ago, at the invitation of the Member, it is an area we should let the rest of Canada know about.
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Henry Zoe
North Slave
Mahsi. Mr. Speaker, my question would be directed to the Minister of Renewable Resources . It is regarding the upcoming negotiations between Canada and the United States to amend the Migratory Birds Convention. As I mentioned in my statement, my constituents have some concern with the present Canadian position. In order for these concerns to be addressed, Mr.
Speaker, we must have some means to participate and provide our input, with the understanding that the Department of Renewable Resources represented the interest of the Northwest Territories residents in the consultation to amend the Canadian Migratory Birds Convention Act. I would like to ask the Minister, is the Department of Renewable Resources involved in the process to negotiate the amendments to the Migratory Birds Convention Act by soliciting input from territorial residents and presenting the views to the Canadian negotiating team?
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Samuel Gargan
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Silas Arngna'naaq
Kivallivik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I know that the department has been involved in discussions along with the federal government. In consulting with the US government, we've had some officials who have made presentations to various organizations in the United States. I also know that the Department of Renewable Resources has involved such organizations as the Wildlife Management Advisory Council which was formed under the Inuvialuit settlement agreement, and I also understand that the Nunavut Wildlife Management Board will also become actively involved in the discussions on the Migratory Birds Convention Act.
As far as I know, the department will be involving all other aboriginal groups in the Northwest Territories in trying to get an understanding of what the aboriginal groups would like to see in this act. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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I and my constituents were not aware of the department's role in this particular matter. Given that my information is that the negotiation is set to begin in less than three weeks, when did the department expect to consult with the aboriginal people affected by these negotiations? I understand, Mr. Speaker, that there was some sort of consultation earlier on in the process. The Minister mentioned the Inuvialuit management board of something. I'm wondering if they're going to continue to consult other aboriginal groups that will be affected by these negotiations. Thank you.
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