Debates of Feb. 11th, 2009

This is page numbers 2135 - 2174 of the Hansard for the 16th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was health .

Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

Minister’s Statement 15-16(3): Fuel Price Adjustment For All Non-Government And Community Government Customers In Communities Served By Ppd

Minister’s Statement 16-13(3): Homelessness Initiative

Public/private Partnership Policy

Mackenzie Valley Highway

Eligibility Regarding Medical Travel

NWT Opportunities Fund

Coordinate Youth Budget Activities

Proposed Board Reform

Supplementary Health Benefits Program

Alternative Energy Initiatives

Sidedoor Youth Centre

Alternative Energy Initiatives

Increased RCMP Presence In Communities

Recognitions of Visitors in the Gallery

Increased RCMP Presence In Communities

Territorial Power Subsidy

Community Consultation On The Electricity Rates Review

Proposed Board Reform

Housing Issues In The NWT

Coordinate Youth Budget Activities

Opportunities Fund

Eligibility For Medical Travel

Public/private Partnership Policy

Mackenzie Valley Highway

Flooding Of The Dempster Highway

Supplementary Health Benefits Program

Committee Report 3-16(3): Report On The Use Of Laptop Computers And Blackberry Devices In The Legislative Assembly

Motion To Receive Committee Report 3-16(3) And Move Into Committee Of The Whole

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Report of Committee of the Whole

Orders of the Day

The House met at 1:36 p.m.

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Prayer

Prayer

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Good afternoon, colleagues. Welcome back to the Chamber. Colleagues, as a reminder for yourself and our guests in the gallery, we have interpreters with us today. Channel two is Gwich’in, channel three Tlicho. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers’ statements. The honourable Minister of Public Works and Services , Mr. Michael McLeod .

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Minister’s Statement 15-16(3): Fuel Price Adjustment For All Non-Government And Community Government Customers In Communities Served By Ppd

Ministers’ Statements

Deh Cho

Michael McLeod

Minister of Public Works and Services

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Around the world, market prices for petroleum products have dropped substantially since the summer of 2008. Unfortunately, many of our remote communities have yet to benefit as fuel has not been purchased and delivered to them at the current lower prices.

Under the existing FMB approved pricing guidelines, the costs of purchasing, transporting and delivering fuel is recovered in the retail prices charged to customers in communities served by the petroleum products division. Prices are normally adjusted after each annual resupply to reflect the costs of the fuel purchased for resale.

In light of decreasing fuel prices worldwide, and in order to reduce the cost of living in our communities, there is a recognized need to pass a portion of projected future cost savings onto our customers as soon as possible, well before the annual resupply adjustments take effect.

Mr. Speaker, effective fiscal management has allowed the petroleum products division to

accumulate a modest budget surplus. This surplus will be significantly reduced to immediately lower the price of heating fuel and gasoline and provide relief to those customers most affected by the high cost of living in our remote communities.

On January 26, 2009, the petroleum products division reduced the current retail prices of heating oil and gasoline by 16 cents per litre for all non-government customers and community government customers. This will result in retail prices that better reflect the recent decline in the market cost of fuel. More importantly, it would immediately reduce the cost of living in the 16 communities served by the petroleum products division.

Mr. Speaker, all communities served by the petroleum products division will see further retail price adjustments after their annual 2009 resupply. For those communities resupplied by the winter road, the adjustment will take place this spring. For those communities resupplied by barge, the adjustment will be in the fall of this year.

Mr. Speaker, if current prices for petroleum products continue, additional reductions in the retail prices for fuel can be expected in 2009. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister’s Statement 15-16(3): Fuel Price Adjustment For All Non-Government And Community Government Customers In Communities Served By Ppd

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Ms. Lee .

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Minister’s Statement 16-13(3): Homelessness Initiative

Ministers’ Statements

Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

Mr. Speaker, today I am pleased to share with you some of the initiatives the Department of Health and Social Services has undertaken in the area of homelessness. The Small Community Homelessness Fund is an application-based program currently supporting five projects that benefit homeless individuals in small communities.

The projects include:

$10,000 in funding to the Rae-Edzo Friendship Centre in Behchoko for a lunchtime soup kitchen Monday through Friday;

$30,000 in funding to the Salt River First

Nation in Fort Smith for the renovation of a homeless shelter;

$10,000 in funding to the Acho Dene Koe First Nation in Fort Liard for a “Winter Warm-Up Project” where hot nutritious meals are served on a weekly basis;

$9,900 in funding to the Zhahti Koe Friendship Centre in Fort Providence for the creation of a Youth Cafe where youth receive hot meals several times per month;

$41,900 in funding to the Pehdzeh Ki First

Nation in Wrigley for food vouchers for the homeless and the renovation of a church basement for use as an overnight shelter.

As well, Mr. Speaker, in response to the GNWT Framework on Homelessness, the Department of Health and Social Services implemented the Homelessness Assistance Fund in 2006.

The Homelessness Assistance Fund has been well accessed this year by homeless individuals requiring transportation to another community where they will no longer be homeless. The Homelessness Assistance Fund also has assisted numerous individuals at risk of becoming homeless by providing funds on a short-term emergency basis.

Mr. Speaker, the Department of Health and Social Services recognizes that homelessness is a complex and varied issue that cannot be solved in isolation.

In recognition of the complexity of issues relating to homelessness, the department works in collaboration with other government departments to address homelessness across the NWT.

The department is the lead of the GNWT Interdepartmental Homelessness Committee, which is comprised of members from the departments of Justice, Education, Culture and Employment and the NWT Housing Corporation. The Interdepartmental Homelessness Committee has begun the work of revising the GNWT Framework on Homelessness.

Mr. Speaker, as you are aware, the lack of access to public washrooms for homeless individuals has been raised as an issue in Yellowknife. I would like to take this opportunity to reassure you that the Interdepartmental Homelessness Committee is working with the chairs of the Homeless Coalition, officials at the City of Yellowknife and with the Chamber of Commerce to develop short and long-term solutions.

The department continues to be an active member at the table of the Yellowknife Homelessness Coalition. This active group was the force behind

the concept and construction of Bailey House Transitional Housing Project for homeless men and now is directing its energy toward developing a similar service for women.

Mr. Speaker, the department continues to work collaboratively with business, non-governmental agencies, communities, aboriginal groups, and all levels of government, with the shared vision of addressing the issue of homelessness. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister’s Statement 16-13(3): Homelessness Initiative

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you. Item 3, Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Public/private Partnership Policy

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. It’s no secret that Canada and the NWT, by default, are in the midst of a huge economic downturn. Members and Ministers alike have spoken about it often this last week, but if there is something we can be happy about it’s that we, the NWT, are to be the recipients of a sizable amount of funds from the federal government, the results of that government’s efforts to stimulate our economy. I know that our government intends to use these funds to their fullest. This money will allow us to start more projects and start them sooner than planned, but it will also put significant stress on our ability to complete all of our intended infrastructure projects.

Both GNWT staff and local businesses will be pushed beyond their normal limits. Some of these projects will be large ones and it’s quite likely that we will look for and find willing partners, industry partners, to help us bring them about.

Business facilitated projects will become more and more common in the future. As well, as northern businesses grow and expand, GNWT is going to receive proposals from these businesses to enter into partnerships with them. We currently have a proposal from the Alberta company ATCO Group in regards to a potential partnership with the NWT Power Corporation.

In my view, it’s imperative that before we enter into any agreement with any partner, that the government has a well-established, well thought out policy for public/private partnership; P3s.

Yet, as of this time, GNWT still does not have a policy to guide us in entering into, negotiating, administering and overseeing P3 projects and it’s long past due for us to have one. In this year of

more than the usual infrastructure dollars and the resulting more than normal number of projects on the table and with the federal government’s emphasis on P3 for Building Canada Fund dollars, finalizing a P3 policy should be a top priority for this government. Why is it not a priority? What is holding it back? I don’t think we want to get caught. We definitely don’t want to get caught with a too-good-to-be-true proposal from someone for a Mackenzie Valley Highway, for instance, and no P3 policy to ensure that the deal we sign is a good one.

Without a comprehensive P3 policy, we risk entering into a contract that does not make the best use of our dollars, does not create efficiencies for the project and lacks the necessary financial security for the government and, by extension, our residents.

Goodness knows we do not want to sign our financial lives away as we did for the Deh Cho Bridge and, Mr. Speaker, I will have questions for the lead Minister for infrastructure later on. Thank you.

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Public/private Partnership Policy

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Mackenzie Valley Highway

Members’ Statements

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, my Member’s statement today is in terms of something that has been discussed throughout the last Assembly and could be some discussions around this Assembly in terms of our meetings. It has to do with the legacy of this government here, the legacy of the people of the Northwest Territories. I am talking about the legacy that would make a big difference to the people’s lives down the Mackenzie Valley as we continue on with the construction of the Mackenzie Valley Highway.

Mr. Speaker, the issue here for myself is in terms of who is to gain and who is to lose in terms of not having some serious discussions about building the Mackenzie Valley Highway. Mr. Speaker, there has certainly been some strategic investments along the Mackenzie Valley route from Inuvik to…Sorry, from Wrigley to Tulita up to Norman Wells, Good Hope and further up the Mackenzie Valley here in terms of putting in permanent bridges in terms of looking at when this road could be built as people in the region who desperately want to have one.

There are so many benefits of putting together a highway proposal, so many opportunities out there. It’s been said many times that the road here could reap many benefits for the people up and down the Mackenzie Valley.

Mr. Speaker, I understand that according to Connecting Canada, in the 2005 proposal, that the federal government could gain up to over $13 billion in tax and royalties if this road was built in terms of opening up the economic development in the Mackenzie Valley. They would be the biggest winners in terms of having this highway built. There have been many discussions as to how this highway could be built in terms of financing, in terms of P3, in terms of the government making a royalty sharing deal with the people of the Northwest Territories. There’s been private organizations working with the aboriginal groups to see how they could finance this project.

Mr. Speaker, the time is very right right now in terms of talking about a Mackenzie Valley Highway and having some serious discussions with the people of the Northwest Territories as to how this dream can become a reality within the life of this government to at least get the road open for the people in the North. Thank you.

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Mackenzie Valley Highway

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Jacobson .

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Eligibility Regarding Medical Travel

Members’ Statements

Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Today I come to the House and I got a call last night regarding one of my elders in the community of Tuk having to wait. This individual, she’s an elder, she’s over 60 years old. She has TB and cancer. She’s been waiting to leave our community of Tuk on a scheduled flight to Inuvik to get a blood transfusion. The plane was cancelled due to not enough passengers the first day. The next day they get a call from the health centre stating the airline called and said they’re not coming into the community again due to the passengers weren’t there, so they didn’t come in again.

She finally made it out of the community two days later. To me that’s not acceptable. Who draws the line in regards to medevacs? This lady should have been medevaced out of the community and into Inuvik to get proper care and attention.

Another thing in regards to the medevac contract, when it comes up, policies and procedures should be looked at from the Department of Health and Social Services at the time of the contract being awarded again. This is not only Tuk. This is also my other communities that are having the same problem. Who decides who gets medevacced out of the community? This is an elder. This is just not right. Unacceptable. At the appropriate time I’ll have questions for the Health Minister .

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Eligibility Regarding Medical Travel

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Jacobson . The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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NWT Opportunities Fund

Members’ Statements

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, recently there has been a decision to loan $34 million out of the Opportunities Fund. I’m personally not pleased that by this process it has been done without Members’ knowledge and we were always kept in the dark. I won’t get into the merits of should the money have been lent to this group, but more to the problem of why we weren’t informed earlier and what we are going to do in the future.

I feel, as many others feel, that we were kept in the dark until the contract was signed and all they were worried about was the official announcement and, oh, by the way, maybe we should inform the MLAs. By the time I found out, that decision had already been made and there was no room for discussion by process.

The Opportunities Fund, as many people know and have come to learn, is a fund to use to leverage federal dollars to make cash for this government. That sounds great to me, but a lending program like this should never operate under the cover of silence without Members being informed about a deal prior to the deal being finalized; not now and not ever.

Going forward, the Minister of ITI must realize that this whole Legislature is on the hook when a decision is made behind closed doors. Whether it goes good or bad, the results will fall on all our shoulders. This must end.

Oddly enough, we do have the tools to operate by better rules. We have the Financial Administration Act where we can find those rules and guidelines. I stand here today and clearly say that nothing can be better accomplished on this file than saying we will set rules in place to make sure this never happens again.

I do not want to hear that the Minister will do this again. I want to clearly hear that the Minister will not operate in isolation again. He may have had the power to do this, but perhaps he should have thought about the magnitude of this loan. That alone should have set off bells by saying maybe the Members should be informed. This must end.

Under

section 67(1.1) of the Financial Administration Act they discuss loans of over $500,000 and giving Members 14-day notice. Under

section 5, guarantees and indemnities and regulation, it talks about informing Members, giving them maximum liability information and proposed addendums. The rules exist; let’s start applying them.

I look forward to questions later today with this Minister and getting his full commitment that they

will not proceed with this type of loan in the future without contacting Members.

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NWT Opportunities Fund

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Coordinate Youth Budget Activities

Members’ Statements

Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Today my Member’s statement is about the youth of Tu Nedhe and the need to have a coordinated approach for the youth spending in this government.

This government has responded to the need to invest money in the youth and it’s time now to have all of those budgets coordinated. We should not fall into the trap of each department doing their own thing as far as youth are concerned. We have a Minister responsible for Youth that must coordinate all budgets and activities from the various departments where youth budgets lie. Those departments are departments like Education, Culture and Employment, Health and Social Services, MACA, and any other department that is working on investing in the youth of the NWT.

This government’s investment in the youth is very important for the future success of the whole Territory. On July 18th , 2008, I asked the then-

Minister of MACA to hire youth staff to assist the communities in completing items such as youth surveys. I realize that the Minister-of-the-day was not able to commit to hiring youth staff. At that time there was no money in the budget for it. However, now the time may be right.

On October 8th I asked the Minister of MACA to

increase youth budgets and look at how youth budgets were allocated specifically for my communities in the Tu Nedhe. In addition to responding to the questions, the Minister committed to working on a youth strategy for all communities in the Northwest Territories.

On October 22nd , 2008, I asked the Minister of

MACA to look at youth programs for smaller communities and again asked the Minister to work with the communities on youth strategies. Today I will have more questions as it pertains to youth and the need for this government to have a focal point that is the Minister of Youth .

I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

Thank you, colleagues. I know there is a plan to hire two youth workers. A few of those workers should work directly for the Minister of Youth and

be responsible for coordinating all youth funding and to ensure that all the money that is targeted for youth is spent on the youth and spent to benefit the youth across the Territories. Later today I will have questions for the Minister responsible for Youth .

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Coordinate Youth Budget Activities

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Proposed Board Reform

Members’ Statements

David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to speak today about the government’s move to amalgamate boards across the Northwest Territories. The stated goal by this Cabinet is to go from 70 boards to seven. The model being presented is based on the Tlicho Community Services model and would be implemented in seven geographic regions across the Northwest Territories.

The government’s plan and process that they have embarked upon is full of holes. The consultation, if you can even call it that, is a one-sided approach that is nowhere near meaningful. There’s been no clear, compelling indication of what the problems are and what it is that you’re trying to address.

To the school boards in Yellowknife consultation has been a few restrictive, poorly worded questions that follow preconceived directions. There has been no opportunity to meet directly with the government as was promised. There’s no research shown in the documents provided; no data or data analysis is offered to justify directions proposed, and a lack of understanding on the proposed regional board’s governance. There’s no financial plan or human resource plan or a costing of a regional board approach. Added to this are some impossible timelines. How can adequate consultation take place with all of these boards in a two-month time frame?

The GNWT sent out its package on January 29th without the much-needed face-to-face meetings with boards. How can the government make a final call on this by April 1st ? To me, that’s simply

impossible.

Once again I have to stand up and ask this government why they just don’t seem to understand the reality that you must do all the groundwork, costing, and analysis prior to shopping an idea like this that would impact so many people across the Northwest Territories. On something as large as board reform, we owe it to our residents, to the stakeholders, to be able to answer questions.

We can’t be lazy or allow sheer political determination to rule the day. Our citizens won’t subscribe to it and I personally will not subscribe to

this way of doing business. We must do better than what appears to me to be just another pathetic attempt at consultation.

This makes me think back to my days at university when one of my political science professors told the class that if a politician wants to end their political career, all they need to do is cause upheaval within education or health care. In our case, this Cabinet seems intent on throwing housing in for good measure.

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Proposed Board Reform

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Supplementary Health Benefits Program

Members’ Statements

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Mr. Speaker, not to belabour the supplementary health benefits issue, I need to bring emphasis one more time to a certain segment of our population that will be negatively impacted to a change to supplementary health benefits if those income thresholds and caps are left in place.

I know the Minister has agreed to take the supplementary health benefits review back to the drawing board and not to implement anything until after extensive consultation has taken place and the stakeholders’ concerns have been taken into account, and none of that is going to happen before April 1st , 2010. I do thank the Minister for that. I do

again thank the seniors of the Northwest Territories who mobilized in such an effective way to address this concern. It was amazing. It really confirms the saying of grey power. They were amazing with their petitions and their very thoughtful and insightful questions.

Mr. Speaker, there is another group of people in our society that were potentially going to be negatively impacted by this Supplementary Health Benefits Program change. I want to just, by my Member’s statement today, bring emphasis to that group. That is the group of persons with disabilities. Mr. Speaker, on behalf of the constituents in Hay River who have contacted me with disabilities, I just again want to make sure that any consultation, we’ll make sure you contact the NWT Council for Persons with Disabilities.

Many disabilities that are health-related require specialized equipment, medication, things that can be very expensive. It may not strictly fall under the chronic condition, but it is persons with disabilities. Today, Mr. Speaker, I just wanted to emphasize that this sector who has not received perhaps as much attention as the impact on seniors, that we keep this group in mind as well and that the consultation expands and take into account their concerns.

I have a constituent in Hay River with a disability whose household income does exceed $50,000 a year, but, trust me, they would never be able to survive with their needs for medication and equipment if that service, if those benefits were removed. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Supplementary Health Benefits Program

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Alternative Energy Initiatives

Members’ Statements

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Mr. Speaker, I have spoken out in support of the government’s proactive approach to developing clean energy initiatives. Investment in alternative energy, hydro, wind and biomass are necessary if we are to move away from fossil fuels and reduce greenhouse gas emissions. These investments will also support communities in completing their community energy plans which will identify ways to reduce energy costs and reduce greenhouse gas.

Mr. Speaker, the community of Fort Simpson is developing its energy plan and has identified a number of goals to reduce its energy consumption and utility costs. They include working with the local Chamber of Commerce in investigating the potential of alternate energy sources such as geothermal energy, supporting the use of residual heat recovered from the NWT Power Corporation diesel generators, promoting recycling to reduce the volume of materials in the local landfill.

Mr. Speaker, these community initiatives line up closely with the government’s recently announced energy priority. I am optimistic that there will be funding and expertise and resources to work in partnership with the community of Fort Simpson to realize these very important goals. Mahsi cho.

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Alternative Energy Initiatives

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Abernethy .

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Sidedoor Youth Centre

Members’ Statements

Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Mr. Speaker, I arrived today to draw attention to the SideDoor Youth Centre and the good work that it is doing for the people of Yellowknife and the Northwest Territories.

---Applause

Now in their 14th year, the SideDoor provides

shelter and a safe haven for thousands of youth annually. SideDoor began in 1995 in the basement of the Anglican Church in Yellowknife as a hangout for youth who would otherwise be on the street.

Since then it has grown and now offers a number of programs from its own facility on the corner of 49th Avenue and 49th Street. Its programs serve young

people from ages five to 19. The SideDoor’s programs address the needs and services of youth ages 16 to 19 who are too old for child welfare and too young for social assistance and tend to fall through the cracks.

The care and dedicated staff has a passion for youth who struggle in our community. The SideDoor is open seven days a week, 24 hours a day. It offers one-on-one counselling, laundry, showers and a place for youth to stay overnight. It enforces a zero tolerance drug and alcohol policy and homeless youth who are struggling are encouraged to seek employment and develop skills to help them live independently. Junior SideDoor is a free afterschool daycare service for children from five to 13 to provide kids with snacks, structured and free time activities, and a warm, supervised place to play. Summer day camps offer recreational activities for children free of charge.

The SideDoor’s programs are preventative in nature, giving young people a constructive alternative to the streets, crime or any amount of police activity when what they really need is food and a safe place to rest.

The SideDoor provides safe shelter, emotional support, and increases the health and dignity of downcast and victimized youth.

Mr. Speaker, the SideDoor is located in Yellowknife but regularly welcomes youth from all across the Territory. It is the only youth drop-in centre of its kind in the region. The programs and services are effective and, most importantly, have gained confidence of the youth themselves. The SideDoor is taking care of our young people and they are shaping our future. I would like to thank and applaud them for their dedication to our youth. They are appreciated. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Sidedoor Youth Centre

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Alternative Energy Initiatives

Members’ Statements

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, the Northwest Territories relies heavily on imported fossil fuels to meet our energy needs. Community resupply last year cost us about $22 million. Were we to include oil and gas for O and M, we would be over $50 million per year. In addition, our economy loses when we send this money south and then environmental, social and more financial costs accrue when we add to rather than reduce greenhouse gas emissions and climate change.

Mr. Speaker, peak oil is the point and time where we have used half of the world’s oil supply, the cheapest path by far. At the peak, the cost of fuel will rise dramatically. Optimistic estimates indicate peak oil will occur by 2017. Pessimistic views say it has already happened. Many middle of the road estimates figure peak oil is happening now. Back when world consumption was five billion barrels a year, we discovered reserves of 30 billion per year. Now we consume over 30 billion barrels a year and discover only about five billion. We have not made a giant discovery of oil for over a decade.

Fairly, we need to reduce NWT reliance on fossil fuels. The current recession broke our ever-increasing demand for oil and the cost per barrel has plummeted. However, Mr. Speaker, Mark Carney of the Bank of Canada predicted our economy will be roaring in 2010, a year from now. Others believe the recession will last two or three years. This leaves us only one or two years of cheap oil before we can expect high and erratic oil prices once again. Many say we have not seen anything yet on what can happen to the price of oil, but surely we have seen enough.

Mr. Speaker, there is much in the budget before us on energy initiatives. I applaud these efforts. My intent today is to underscore the opportunity we have during possibly the last period of cheap oil and to ensure awareness that this window may be quite brief. We use oil for heating, power, importing food and supplies for infrastructure, roads, air travel and maintenance. This dependence on oil makes us highly vulnerable. We need to radically decrease this dependency. I urge our Cabinet and all community leaders and all residents of the NWT to be aware of this and act now to change how we do business.

All plans on economic stimulus and infrastructure spending must include a strong element of energy conservation, fossil fuel reduction or replace them with renewable energy.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

Finally, Mr. Speaker, I request that this Cabinet immediately adopt a policy that commits the NWT using only low carbon fuels as the U.S. Energy Committee Chair Henry Waxman wants to see in the U.S. Given that we are downstream from the damaging high carbon fuel development in the tar sands, there are clearly additional northern benefits to such a policy. Mahsi.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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Increased RCMP Presence In Communities

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, in the 2009-10 financial statements, in the Minister’s opening remarks, there is something that jumps out at me which I am glad to see that they are going to be spending some $475,000 to add police officers and detachments in Fort McPherson, Fort Good Hope and Fort Liard as a way to increase patrols and stay in small communities without resident police RCMP members.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this time to thank the Minister of Justice for listening to the people in Tsiigehtchic in regards to finding ways of getting more police presence in their communities and also ensuring them that they do have a dedicated member who will be dedicated to work for that particular community. In light of that individual residing in Fort McPherson, Fort McPherson is only a half an hour away from Tsiigehtchic and I think this should be a way to solve that issue.

Mr. Speaker, policing is an important component of what happens in communities and gives the people some comfort knowing they were safe, secure and that the laws that we have will be enforced.

Mr. Speaker, the community of Tsiigehtchic over the years have done everything they can in regards to their powers by way of passing prohibition orders, enforcing laws by way of their bylaw officer. Yet, Mr. Speaker, that’s not enough.

Mr. Speaker, having an officer stay in the community, familiarizing themselves with the residents, meet with the community council, meet with the community organizations and working with the community to familiarize himself with the community knowing he has a…also have a commitment with the community and dedicate himself to ensure he familiarize himself with the residents.

Mr. Speaker, I, again, would like to take this time to thank the Minister, but this is not the end of it. The community of Tsiigehtchic would like to see an individual living in the community, having a police presence 24/7. Again, this is a good start and, with that, I would like to thank the Minister of Justice and maybe he can pass on some knowledge to the Minister of Health on how she can get some nursing services in Tsiigehtchic. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it’s my pleasure today to recognize in the visitor’s gallery Mr. Rocky Simpson, a businessman from Hay River. Thank you.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, I’d like to recognize Tom Brown, a constituent of Yellowknife Centre. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

I’d like to welcome everyone in the gallery today. I hope you are enjoying the proceedings. Item 6, acknowledgements. Item 7, oral questions. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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Question 96-16(3): Increased RCMP Presence In Communities

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister of Justice with regard to the statement I made today of putting police officers in Fort McPherson to serve the community of Tsiigehtchic. I would like to ask the Minister how soon can this initiative take place and when can the community of Tsiigehtchic have a dedicated officer to work with them and also give some assurance that we will try to move forward with this effort. More importantly, how soon is this initiative going to be rolled out?

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Question 96-16(3): Increased RCMP Presence In Communities

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . The honourable Minister of Justice , Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 96-16(3): Increased RCMP Presence In Communities

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Jackson Lafferty

Minister of Justice

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this particular area has been a concern by the community, the community of Tsiigehtchic and also surrounding communities. That’s one of the purposes we have proposed an additional PY for RCMP in the community of Fort McPherson; to deal with Tsiigehtchic. There was an incident in the community this past summer. So there has been a voice from the community, visiting community, and the outcome of that, we’ve stressed the importance of having an additional officer.

Mr. Speaker, part of that process will be going through that business planning process and once it’s approved by this House, certainly we will be establishing a unit in the community to serve the community of Tsiigehtchic and surrounding

communities. So we’re looking forward to that as well. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 96-16(3): Increased RCMP Presence In Communities

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, in regards to the initiative, I know there was talk about looking at special constables and bringing them back in regards to this effort, but again the communities do have bylaw officers and whatnot. I would just like to know is that one of the other alternatives that the community can look at; to have someone trained as a bylaw officer or some sort of a special constable position to work along with the RCMP in those communities that don’t have policing so we can increase that capacity in those communities along with the police officer to have someone working alongside them.

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Question 96-16(3): Increased RCMP Presence In Communities

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Jackson Lafferty

Minister of Justice

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Community Constable Program has been in the works for a number of years in the past and now the federal government wants to reintroduce that to the system again, especially for our jurisdiction in the Northwest Territories. We have been targeted to have up to three community policing officers to be trained and stationed in the Northwest Territories. We will continue to work closely with RCMP “G” Division, because it’s under their jurisdiction on the selection criteria.

We will continue to voice the committee’s concerns and, yes, this would be part of the community safety and we’ll take all those into consideration. We need to identify somebody that is knowledgeable about the community that speaks the language. That will be one of the assets and basically we are replacing the special constable that we had before. Mahsi.

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Question 96-16(3): Increased RCMP Presence In Communities

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

I’d like to also ask the Minister of Justice , we are looking at having permanent policing in communities. I know we’ve done that in Sachs, Wrigley and I know there are other communities. There are 10 communities I believe in the Northwest Territories that don’t have policing. So would this also end up at the point where we possibly can have policing in all communities that don’t have policing and basically have some sort of insurance that we will have some sort of service dedicated to those communities going forward? I would just like to ask the Minister, is that program also going to be considered for Tsiigehtchic where they potentially could have a permanent officer based in Tsiigehtchic?

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Question 96-16(3): Increased RCMP Presence In Communities

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Jackson Lafferty

Minister of Justice

Mr. Speaker, this particular program that the federal government announced is up to three officers stationed in the communities. Part of the program, the criteria, is they have to be stationed where the detachments are, but at the same time we have to work with the communities such as Tsiigehtchic or other communities. We are also proposing an officer in Fort McPherson to deal with Tsiigehtchic. So we

are talking about two different areas, but certainly those are the areas that we need to focus on with the community. Mahsi.

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Question 96-16(3): Increased RCMP Presence In Communities

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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Question 96-16(3): Increased RCMP Presence In Communities

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister, is there going to be any additional equipment needed for the officer working in Tsiigehtchic such as radio communications or having a system? I know there was concern when we were at the public meeting in Tsiigehtchic from the RCMP, that they don’t have a lot of equipment based there in regard to communication systems, radios. In the case of…We have cell phone service, great. I would just like to know are there going to be other investments made to ensure we equip these officers so they can do their job in those communities and have the backup systems in case they need it in those communities? Thank you.

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Question 96-16(3): Increased RCMP Presence In Communities

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Monfwi

Jackson Lafferty

Minister of Justice

Mr. Speaker, certainly we will work with RCMP “G” division to make sure there is sufficient equipment in the community, to have officers in the community to do their daily routine work. We will continue to work with them to make sure it is in the works. Mahsi.

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Question 96-16(3): Increased RCMP Presence In Communities

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Question 97-16(3): Territorial Power Subsidy

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, in the budget address the other day, I learned about a $3 million addition to the Territorial Power Subsidy Program for commercial customers. I am wondering what will this bring the total subsidy to this year, the territorial power subsidy, and what has been the trend in that figure over the last five or six years. Thank you.

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Question 97-16(3): Territorial Power Subsidy

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Minister responsible for the NWT Power Corporation , Mr. Roland .

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Question 97-16(3): Territorial Power Subsidy

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Territorial Power Support Program is held under the Department of Finance/FMBS. So I will redirect that to Minister Miltenberger .

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Question 97-16(3): Territorial Power Subsidy

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . The honourable Minister of Finance , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 97-16(3): Territorial Power Subsidy

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Thebacha

Michael Miltenberger

Minister of Finance

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The trend of the Territorial Power Support Program has been steadily upward. The underutilized part of the Power Support Program has been the commercial subsidy. The cost of living in the communities in many cases is driven by the high

cost of power especially in stores, which has a direct impact on the price of food. With the $3 million a year, it will be in the neighbourhood of $13 million plus whatever forced growth pressures there’s going to be on the residential Power Support Program. Thank you.

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Question 97-16(3): Territorial Power Subsidy

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Slightly confusing there that we have an underutilized fund that we’re adding $3 million to. I’m a little bit confused there. Will these dollars...Are they primarily aimed at commercial customers in diesel generation communities? Thank you.

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Question 97-16(3): Territorial Power Subsidy

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I apologize for the confusion. The commercial subsidy is underutilized mainly because the amount of money in it is very small and from what I understand, the application requirements are quite onerous so that a lot of commercial businesses don’t bother to apply.

The intent is this is an interim arrangement as we look at the other broader, longer-term projects that we have to try to lower the cost of living to get people off of diesel. The commercial power support is geared to all those communities that are not on the hydro system that are currently on diesel. Thank you.

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Question 97-16(3): Territorial Power Subsidy

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thanks for those comments and the clarification. I’m wondering, given that we know our greenhouse gas emissions are soaring and we know the price of fuel is down temporarily but will likely be soaring, will these dollars have conditions on them that require that they actually need to go through renewable and alternative energy developments; sort of, permanent solutions as opposed to a band-aid. All of these commercial ventures, I suspect, are quite capable of installing renewable energy systems that will help reduce their costs with some help from this government. Thank you.

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Question 97-16(3): Territorial Power Subsidy

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

There are some short-term issues, mid-term and, of course, longer-term. The short-term issue is to try to get some assistance that’s going to bring down the cost of commercial power in the small communities that we hope will translate into direct cost savings in stores, affect the cost of the food basket, for example, including milk.

The longer-term, mid-term, we are working...The $60 million that’s in the budget, with the exception of the nine for the subsidy program, are geared to replacing fossil fuels, to work with communities to come up with the technology and the planning to be able to allow us, as a government, to unfold across the North the replacement of all the diesel-generated electrical installations we have, be they biomass, mini-hydro, wind or geothermal. Thank you.

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Question 97-16(3): Territorial Power Subsidy

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final supplementary, Mr. Bromley .

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Question 97-16(3): Territorial Power Subsidy

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

I’ll take that as a no. I really think these dollars should have conditions on them that require renewable and alternative energy development. That type of energy is quite compatible with individual systems and would be perfect for this sort of situation. I stated in my statement that I applaud the energy initiatives and I’m expecting those to go forward. Would this Minister commit to ensuring that this power subsidy, this additional $3 million on the existing $10 million-plus, be dedicated to the production of renewable energy for our commercial customers out there? Thank you.

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Question 97-16(3): Territorial Power Subsidy

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, the Member shouldn’t take that previous answer as a no. In fact, we have indicated that we have to work on the detail and the application of this power subsidy. The Energy Coordinating Committee will be having that as one of their tasks as we move forward with the budget. There will be an opportunity to work with Members to look at how to best apply that particular program. Thank you.

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Question 97-16(3): Territorial Power Subsidy

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 98-16(3): Community Consultation On The Electricity Rates Review

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Mr. Speaker, I’d like to ask the Minister responsible for the NWT Power Corporation a question with regard to their strategy for community consultation. I’d like to know, will the Power Corporation be heading it up or is it the GNWT that would be leading the discussions during their community consultations? Thank you.

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Question 98-16(3): Community Consultation On The Electricity Rates Review

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Minister responsible for the Northwest Territories Power Corporation, Mr. Roland .

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Question 98-16(3): Community Consultation On The Electricity Rates Review

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Mr. Speaker, if I can get more clarity as to what the community consultation is on. Is it the energy paper that we put out through the Ministerial Energy Coordinating Committee on rates, regulation and supply or is it the Power Corporation review itself? If I could get some clarity on that. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 98-16(3): Community Consultation On The Electricity Rates Review

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

There is much said about doing the electricity rates review by our government and I was just wondering if the Power Corporation was heading that up or our GNWT and how extensive will it be. Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Mr. Speaker, I’ll redirect that to the Minister lead of the Ministerial Energy

Coordinating Committee, the Honourable Bob McLeod .

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Question 98-16(3): Community Consultation On The Electricity Rates Review

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Mr. McLeod.

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Question 98-16(3): Community Consultation On The Electricity Rates Review

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

We were planning to advise standing committees, if we haven’t already, about the consultation process. We will have a team of experienced people who will be going to the communities and we will also go to those communities where we’re invited. We expect that process to take a period of time; hopefully, with the report this summer. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 98-16(3): Community Consultation On The Electricity Rates Review

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Residents of Nahendeh are really, really interested in speaking to this committee. I’d like to know who will be doing the work. Will the Ministers travel? Is it deputy minister level, senior staff? Who will be doing the consultations in our communities? Thank you.

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Question 98-16(3): Community Consultation On The Electricity Rates Review

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

We will have three people with significant experience. One is a former chair of the Saskatchewan Public Utilities Board or equivalent. We have a former deputy minister of the government and a former director of the Government of the Northwest Territories. They will be assisted by the staff of the Department of ITI. Also, there will be Power Corporation staff who we expect will be participating in the hearings. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 98-16(3): Community Consultation On The Electricity Rates Review

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final supplementary, Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 98-16(3): Community Consultation On The Electricity Rates Review

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Our communities are eagerly anticipating the discussion to have that review and how extensive it will be. For the record, I’d just like to say that our smallest communities must be part of the representatives of the discussions and I’d certainly like to invite the Minister to Nahendeh. As well, often these committees...They forget to advise the MLAs that they’re coming to their riding and their communities. I’d just like to ask the Minister to ensure that we’re certainly part of the loop and to advise if and when they’re coming. Thank you.

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Question 98-16(3): Community Consultation On The Electricity Rates Review

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

We will be scheduling hearings in some of the major centres and we will also be responding to those communities that invite us to their settlements for hearings. We will definitely make sure that all MLAs are apprised well in advance, because we would welcome their participation as well. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 99-16(3): Proposed Board Reform

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Mr. Speaker, my questions today are for the lead Minister on Refocusing Government Strategic Initiatives Committee. Getting back to my statement from earlier, it just seems to me that the Government of the Northwest Territories doesn’t seem to understand what engaging the public in a meaningful, consultative fashion means. If it wasn’t bad enough that we didn’t learn anything off of the supplementary health benefits and the proposed changes there, we’re doing almost the exact same thing with board reform.

The government has offered no compelling indication of what the problems are. It seems to me, and it seems to the public, that the government is just going ahead with this simply for the sake of doing it. I’m concerned that the Ministers of Health, Education, Culture and Employment and Housing are not willing to stand up to this initiative and the damage that it is causing and will cause into the future. I’d like to ask the Minister how were the three departments involved in the latest round or campaign that he refers to as consultation? Thank you.

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Question 99-16(3): Proposed Board Reform

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Michael Miltenberger .

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Question 99-16(3): Proposed Board Reform

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

The Refocusing Committee, of which the Member sits on, includes the Ministers of Housing and Education, who have been sitting at the table, as well as Health. We looked at the work that’s been done, the information that’s been pulled together, the plan to gather more information, the move to go to the communities as well as consult with senior staff. They have been at the table throughout.

The other piece I’d like to point out, of course, is that we are seven weeks away from April. We are working to bring the rest of the information to the table. It’s a milestone date, as I’ve said repeatedly. We will bring all that information collectively between Cabinet and Regular Members. We’ll look at next steps. Are there adjustments required? If so, what? Are there changes required? If so, what? The Member has indicated that his colleagues are interested in board reform, but the question will be to determine, I suppose, on that date what that will possibly look like.

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Question 99-16(3): Proposed Board Reform

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

I’d like to thank the Minister for reminding me that I do sit on that Refocusing Committee and my recommendation to the Minister in the committee was not to take this outside of the building unless they had done the research, analysis, and collected the data that was necessary to answer the questions.

I’d like to ask the Minister how it is possible to conclude these face-to-face discussions with the boards and report back by April 1st . It seems like an

impossible task, if you ask me.

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Question 99-16(3): Proposed Board Reform

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This process was geared to go to 2010-2011 before we would consider implementation. There has been a lot of work done in-house. There has been work with senior staff going out to meet with the boards. I’ve met with health boards, education boards; I’ve been up to some of the regions. Senior members of staff have been as well meeting with different staff across the region. We’re going to pull all the work together the first milestone date in April and we’re going to look at where we stand, if there’s changes that are required. If not, what do we do in terms of next steps? That’s seven weeks away.

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Question 99-16(3): Proposed Board Reform

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

There’s a big difference between listening to what people have to say and telling them what we’re going to do. I’d like to ask the Minister if he could commit today -- and I’m speaking specifically about the city of Yellowknife and the school boards that are located within the city of Yellowknife -- along with his counterpart Mr. Lafferty , the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , to sit down with the school boards here in Yellowknife to hear their concerns face to face?

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Question 99-16(3): Proposed Board Reform

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

I understand the senior staff are going to be meeting with the senior staff of the school boards after which we’ll talk about a meeting of that nature. I’ve met with the school boards collectively here. I’ve met with some of them in the regions. I would be, of course, prepared to do that with the school boards here as well, and the health boards and the two housing boards.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final supplementary, Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 99-16(3): Proposed Board Reform

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Since January 29th , when the consultation, if that’s what

they call it, went out -- the package went out to the school boards -- I don’t believe the Minister or any political or Cabinet Ministers have met with the school boards here in Yellowknife. Now that that consultation material has gone out and there are so many, as I refer to them, holes in that information, you could drive a truck through some of the information and the questions are poorly worded, it’s one sided. I think the Minister and the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment have an obligation to meet with the school boards here in Yellowknife. I’d like to see them do that.

Not send their senior staff, but send these two guys directly to meet with the school boards here in Yellowknife

and I’d like to see a commitment from them to do that.

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Question 99-16(3): Proposed Board Reform

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

I’ll just restate the commitment that I’ve just made. Currently the senior staff will be meeting them. Subsequent to that there will be a discussion, after I look at the scheduling, to have that meeting with the board chairs. I want to indicate as well, given the plethora of boards here, there’s also two housing boards and the health board as well. We’ll look at scheduling that particular slate of meetings.

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Question 99-16(3): Proposed Board Reform

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 100-16(3): Housing Issues In The NWT

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In the budget address it says, “Canada has committed to invest a further $50 million in the construction of new social housing over the next two years.” My questions are for the Minister of housing. We do have some housing issues in the Northwest Territories.

But whether you go to places like Fort Liard and see housing packages sitting on people’s front lawns, which lead one to believe that we have trouble finding a contractor to build the houses, or whether you go to the small communities where we have no housing for teachers and nurses, or whether you go to communities where there’s new homeownership units built but nobody subscribes to that, there’s nobody moving into them. There are places where we say we have housing issues, but there’s nobody on the waiting list for public housing.

I’d like to ask the Minister of Housing where this government’s focus and attention is going to be on with any new housing dollar; or is the federal money going to be highly prescribed exactly what we can do with that money; or can we tailor the program to the needs of the Northwest Territories?

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Question 100-16(3): Housing Issues In The NWT

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . About three questions there. The honourable Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation , Mr. Michael McLeod .

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

I can say yes to all of the above. The Member has raised a number of issues that have certainly come to my attention since taking on the position of Housing Minister . We’re trying to look at the issue of packages to the communities that have not been completed due to shortage of contractors, programs that are certainly not meeting some of the clients that should be accessing the housing packages. We’re looking at the issue of deferred maintenance on public housing. All these issues we would like to bring

forward to have a discussion with committee. We will be drafting a letter to request time to sit in front of committee and look at some of the proposed changes we would like to suggest.

The new federal money, question number two, is an area that we’re really working hard to get a handle on. We certainly have some challenges in front of us. Good challenges, I should add, because we have some resources that we were very nervous we would not have for the upcoming year.

The area that we plan to look at, and of course this is going to be floated by the committee, is to upgrade our public housing units, look at the energy side of it, look at extending the life of these units, replacing some of them, look at providing programs for homeowners across the Territories so they can upgrade their units also and look at energy and all the different issues that are challenging other people across the Territories. We’d also look at enhancing our Homeownership Program that we can provide houses to people who qualify for those units.

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Question 100-16(3): Housing Issues In The NWT

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

My second question is, in the Minister’s discussions with the federal government regarding this additional money, which is indeed very welcome, has it been his sense that it will be fairly narrowly described how we can use that money or do we have some considerable latitude in how we apply those resources to our specific issues and needs in the Northwest Territories? I raise the issue of the statement by the Minister of Health and Social Services on homelessness today. That’s a problem. I want to know how much latitude we have. How much discretionary latitude do we have in the expenditure of these funds?

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Question 100-16(3): Housing Issues In The NWT

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We still have yet to work out the details of how much money is actually going to be transferred to us. We expect it’s $25 million a year for two years. We haven’t seen the actual detail. We only know it’s going to be in the area of social housing. How we define that I think and hope will be up to us. That is yet to be seen.

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Question 100-16(3): Housing Issues In The NWT

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

I do hope that the Minister communicates that to his federal counterparts when he meets with them, that we do have issues in the North with housing, but we would like made-in-the-north solutions. To the issue of homelessness, I would like to ask the Minister, the list of the money that was handed out so far in homelessness is fairly minimal. That is a big issue in our communities. Does the Minister have any plans, ideas, innovative ideas on how we can address homelessness with some of that money? Could that be directed in that way?

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Question 100-16(3): Housing Issues In The NWT

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

The issue of homelessness and public housing in general is still a challenge. There are two parts of the challenges we face in tackling the housing situation in the Northwest Territories. First of all, it’s dealing with actual infrastructure of our units, whether it’s new or upgrades. The second part was to find some money to operate the units. Right now we’ve had one portion of what we needed identified for a two-year period, but that doesn’t allow us to invest in infrastructure. That’s going to require ongoing O and M. That means we can’t increase our housing stock. Our public housing stock, I should clarify.

That only allows us to replace units, upgrade units, and it doesn’t allow us to increase and invest into new public housing facilities. That’s the challenge we still have.

We’re not alone in this battle. We’re not alone in this need. It’s an issue that’s right across Canada. We have agreement from all the jurisdictions in Canada to try and pressure the federal government to convince them they have to continue to invest through CMHC or by other means in social housing operation and maintenance. This is an issue here, but it is a significant issue in Nunavut, for example, and we need to have that discussion with the federal government so we can tackle issues like homelessness and more public housing stock.

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Question 100-16(3): Housing Issues In The NWT

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final, short supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 100-16(3): Housing Issues In The NWT

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I cannot think of a community in the Northwest Territories at this moment that could not use capital money to address the issue of homelessness. I think we need to stop thinking on the grand scale of monstrous institutional buildings with huge O and M. I think we need to think on a smaller scale. Perhaps multi-client units built in the North without the huge O and M built with the needs of the homeless in mind. Would the Minister entertain such a kind of innovation outside of our normal programs thoughts?

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Question 100-16(3): Housing Issues In The NWT

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

There is a stream of funding that does come to the NWT for homelessness. That responsibility is managed by the Minister of Health . There is only one designated community in the Northwest Territories that can access that money from the federal government. We are certainly interested to see any innovative ideas come forward. Our concern, of course, is how to be operating. Who operates it? How do we pay for it? That’s an area that has to be defined. We have a committee that works with and addresses and looks at issues with homelessness. We’d be glad to review that.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 101-16(3): Coordinate Youth Budget Activities

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, in my Member’s statement today I spoke of the need to coordinate youth budgets and activities. I have questions for the Minister of Youth , Mr. Robert McLeod . Could the Minister advise me if there have been any discussions between the various departments on the various youth budgets that are up and coming for 2009-2010?

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Question 101-16(3): Coordinate Youth Budget Activities

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The honourable Minister responsible for Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. Robert McLeod .

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Question 101-16(3): Coordinate Youth Budget Activities

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to thank the Member for his consistency in addressing youth issues. It is very welcome. At this point there hasn’t been many discussions in my time here between the departments as far as coordinating the youth funding. The sport, recreation and youth department have a youth secretariat who would normally act as the first point of contact for youth issues within the GNWT.

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Question 101-16(3): Coordinate Youth Budget Activities

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Could the Minister advise me if there have been...I’m trying to get a feel for whether or not the various departments...As I look through the main estimates I see a lot of pockets of money here and there. I’m trying to figure out how we’re going to coordinate the expenditure of that. Could the Minister advise me if he plans to, as Minister of Youth , not as Minister of MACA , try to pull together some of the other Ministers and have some discussions on youth budgets.

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Question 101-16(3): Coordinate Youth Budget Activities

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

I’ve had some preliminary discussions with some of the Ministers inquiring about the pockets of youth funding within each department. The Member makes a good point. It would be beneficial to those out there to know that there is one point of contact where they can access to find out exactly what amounts of money are in what departments. I will assure the Member that I will continue to speak to my Cabinet colleagues about it and we will see if we can come up with a coordinated approach and one place where everyone can find out about the different pockets of money.

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Question 101-16(3): Coordinate Youth Budget Activities

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

There’s a budget item, I believe, to have two youth workers hired for the Northwest Territories to coordinate youth expenditures and a youth activities survey and whatnot; one for the North and one for the South. Can the Minister advise me how far along has the department gone in as far as hiring those youth workers?

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Question 101-16(3): Coordinate Youth Budget Activities

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

I can confirm to the Member that one has been hired and they’re just looking at trying to hire the second one.

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Question 101-16(3): Coordinate Youth Budget Activities

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final, short supplementary, Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 101-16(3): Coordinate Youth Budget Activities

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister commit to pulling all the pockets of money targeted for youth in all the departments into one workable budget so that we can have that information given to us in the consolidated form so that we become aware of what’s happening with all of the youth activities?

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Question 101-16(3): Coordinate Youth Budget Activities

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

As much as the Minister of Youth , I would like to have a youth budget. I think it would be very difficult to try and access or pull all the pockets of money together because what education may use is earmarked for their particular department and as far as the other departments go. But I can assure the Member that I will meet with my Cabinet colleagues and try to identify all the pockets of money first of all and then see what steps we can take from there.

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Question 101-16(3): Coordinate Youth Budget Activities

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 102-16(3): Opportunities Fund

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, I raised an issue during my Member’s statement, which is the process of the Opportunities Fund. A constituent contacted me the other day and basically emphasized their concern and fear that either other companies are eyeing this or potentially some companies could be coming back for this fund without Members being fully involved in a process going forward, one that’s both transparent as well as involves Members.

My first question to the Minister of ITI is what process will he be developing to ensure that Members are involved in being part of the Opportunities Fund, whether it’s knowledge or in the sense of discussion if this type of loan is warranted? And will he be considering these sections I highlighted earlier, which was under the FAA,

section 67(1.1), and certainly

section 5 on the guarantees and indemnities regulation.

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Question 102-16(3): Opportunities Fund

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Minister responsible for Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Bob McLeod .

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Question 102-16(3): Opportunities Fund

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have approached standing committees to work with us to make the Opportunities Fund more active and to design the funds so that it’s more transparent and can maximize the benefits to businesses in the Northwest Territories. I should point out that the Opportunities Fund has grown and is funded by funds from the federal government

collected from immigrant investors. That money has to be paid back every five years; as such, seeing that as the Government of the Northwest Territories’ funds, although it is accounted for in the public accounts.

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Question 102-16(3): Opportunities Fund

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

The problem is it’s the membership of the Assembly and the membership of the Northwest Territories that are on the hook if something goes wrong.

I want to make sure that we start with a fair, open and transparent process that involves Members up front. Mr. Speaker, I have highlighted the FAA and I have highlighted even sections under regulations that could involve Members that talk about maximum liability, potential risk and certainly risk assessment. It involves contacting the Members 14 days prior to a final recommendation being made. Mr. Speaker, the important thing here is, is the Minister going to make those considerations and will we stop running any money until full policies come forward? Thank you.

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Question 102-16(3): Opportunities Fund

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Mr. Speaker, my understanding is that the Standing Committee of EDI will work with us to develop a program that will be acceptable to everybody. Certainly, we have committed that any queries we won’t act on them unless the Members on the opposite side are aware of them and we don’t see us going forward on a one-off basis until such time as we have policies and procedures that we all agree upon. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 102-16(3): Opportunities Fund

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, for the record, is that the official policy of this department that no loans will be granted until we come up with policies and procedures developed through the committee system that are agreeable by the government? Thank you.

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Question 102-16(3): Opportunities Fund

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

I can’t commit to that because we have a number of loan programs that, as I understand it, have been established through legislation of this Assembly, so we will continue to make big loans on that basis. But loans from the Opportunities Fund, we will make sure that we work with the standing committee to have a process that everybody is happy with. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 102-16(3): Opportunities Fund

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final supplementary, Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 102-16(3): Opportunities Fund

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, respectfully, the Minister is evading a simple question which is, if the Opportunities Fund is completely on hold until policies and procedures are developed, working with the committee that oversees that department, is that lending process on hold until those policies and procedures are developed? Thank you.

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Question 102-16(3): Opportunities Fund

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Just to be very clear, we are continuing to collect money from the federal government, but we will not lend or make any loans until such time as we have agreed upon policies and procedures that we develop with the standing committee. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 102-16(3): Opportunities Fund

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Jacobson .

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Question 103-16(3): Eligibility For Medical Travel

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. From my Member’s statement today, I have questions for the Minister of Health and Social Services . Is there a policy for determining who is eligible for medical travel? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 103-16(3): Eligibility For Medical Travel

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Jacobson . The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Ms. Lee .

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Question 103-16(3): Eligibility For Medical Travel

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

Yes, Mr. Speaker, there are. In practical terms, anybody who needs immediate attention and has to be transported, those decisions are made between the front-line health care provider and the doctors or any other health care providers, say, in Stanton or in Inuvik that they are in touch with. Thank you.

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Question 103-16(3): Eligibility For Medical Travel

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, in the decision making about whether they should send someone on the

schedule or the medevac, who makes that final decision? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 103-16(3): Eligibility For Medical Travel

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

Mr. Speaker, the Member did speak to me about this before session. My officials are looking at it. I will be able to provide more information on this specific situation as much as we can. But with respect to the decision about who decides, it would be the health care provider on the ground. It might be the nurse or the nurse in charge or whoever is in that facility and then they would be consulting with the receiving facility, whether it be Inuvik, Stanton or Aven, or outside of the Territory’s location. Thank you.

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Question 103-16(3): Eligibility For Medical Travel

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

I guess in a nutshell that is pretty poor judgment in regards to my Member’s statement today. Who makes decisions about cancelling patients’ travel due to overbooking or not enough passengers? Would the Minister look into this problem in the Beaufort-Delta and do something about this problem with the airline? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 103-16(3): Eligibility For Medical Travel

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

Mr. Speaker, the Member raised a number of things I think that need to be looked into. I will undertake to do that and get back to the Member on what happened in these

individual cases as well as a broad policy. Thank you.

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Question 103-16(3): Eligibility For Medical Travel

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Final supplementary, Mr. Jacobson .

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Question 103-16(3): Eligibility For Medical Travel

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. She answered the question. Thank you.

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Question 103-16(3): Eligibility For Medical Travel

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you. The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 104-16(3): Public/private Partnership Policy

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In my Member’s statement today I asked a few questions in regards to P3 and P3 policy. I would like to address my questions to the lead Minister for infrastructure. Given that the NWT is going to be receiving literally millions of dollars from the federal government for infrastructure projects over the next couple of years and considering that in the world of builders, P3s are sometimes considered bad public policy, I would like to ask the Minister whether or not GNWT has a P3 policy in place for the government and, by extension, for our communities to use and to protect themselves for P3 projects. Thank you.

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Question 104-16(3): Public/private Partnership Policy

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The honourable Minister of Finance , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 104-16(3): Public/private Partnership Policy

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Michael Miltenberger

Minister of Finance

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there is a P3 working group that was formed following the commitment by the Premier a while back to look at this with Finance in the lead including Public Works and Services, Transportation, MACA, and Justice. They worked at looking at all of the information that we have and they looked at other jurisdictions as well, what the federal government is doing. They have a final report that is being reviewed by the working group. They anticipate that will be ready by the end of March, which we will then be in a position to collectively look at. Thank you.

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Question 104-16(3): Public/private Partnership Policy

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

I guess the Minister is getting really smart because he is anticipating my second question. I would like to know whether or not this is going to be a comprehensive policy. Is it going to cover the negotiations that would happen in entering into a P3 project? Is it going to cover the administration of this particular project and follow it right through the management of the whole project? Thank you.

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Question 104-16(3): Public/private Partnership Policy

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Michael Miltenberger

Minister of Finance

Yes, Mr. Speaker. The intent is to make it as comprehensive as possible. One other jurisdiction’s P3 project policy seems to us to be particularly applicable. That is the one in Alberta. It seems to be very

comprehensive in all regards. We will be coming forward with results of that survey of best practices, but, yes, we tend to have that as comprehensive as possible. Thank you.

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Question 104-16(3): Public/private Partnership Policy

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thanks to the Minister for the answer. Given that there are opinions out there that P3 projects are not the way to go, I would like to know from the Minister whether this working group is considering all aspects of P3 projects when they develop this policy. Are they considering that there are very strong opinions in some quarters that P3 projects are a bad thing and will they be looking at any policy that is developed through that lens? Thank you.

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Question 104-16(3): Public/private Partnership Policy

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Michael Miltenberger

Minister of Finance

Mr. Speaker, we are looking at this policy as one that has some applicability that the federal government is getting involved in, in a significant way, and if we are going to have such a policy, what is the best way to set it up so that it is as comprehensive as possible and covers the range of needs and it will be one of the tools that will be available to us as we look at the infrastructure requirements and planning and capital plan of the government. Thank you.

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Question 104-16(3): Public/private Partnership Policy

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final supplementary, Ms. Bisaro .

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