Debates of May 23rd, 1996

This is page numbers 583 - 617 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

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Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Appointment Of Rcmp Auxiliary Members As Peace Officers

Northern Nursing Program

Congratulating Gjoa Haven Men On Commissioner's Award For Bravery

Treaty Rights

Community Wellness Conference In Iqaluit

Baffin Fishery

Graduates From Mowhi Community Learning Centre

Student Summer Employment

Need For Executive Representation In Baffin

Programs For Youth

Drug Abuse And Addiction Problems Of Youth In The Nwt

Commercial Fishing In The Nwt

Care Of NWT Elders

Unemployment Rate In Communities Of The Nwt

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Interim Measures For Contracting Procedures Re Nfa

Delivery Of Programs In Relation To Aboriginal And Treaty Rights

Students' Summer Wages Under Collective Agreement

Status Of Rcmp Reorganization

Charges Re Beluga Whale Hunt

Housing Allocations For Gjoa Haven

Provision Of Services To Non-resident Band Members

Dot's Division Implementation Plans

Distribution Of GNWT Positions To Nunavut

Curricula On Mobility And Wage Economy

Housing Needs Survey

Expansion Of Rcmp Auxiliary Force

GNWT Division Implementation Plans

Terms Of Reference For Pub

Item 12: Reports On Committees On The Review Of Bills

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Appointment Date Of Languages Commissioner

Rates Charged To Seniors Resident In Long-term Care Facilities

Bill 15: Statute Revision Act

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Bill 11: Appropriation Act, 1996-97

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Hon. Jim Antoine , Hon. Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Hon. Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Hon. Samuel Gargan , Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Hon. Manitok Thompson , Hon. John Todd

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. O'Brien . Good afternoon. Orders of 'the day, item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Ng .

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Minister's Statement 66-13(3): Appointment Of Rcmp Auxiliary Members As Peace Officers

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yesterday afternoon I had the pleasure of participating in the appointment of 16 RCMP auxiliary members as police officers. I would like to take the opportunity to recognize the significance of that event. This program is the first for the Northwest Territories. It allows citizens to take an active

part in the policing of their community and is a major step towards the enhancement of RCMP resources. The RCMP auxiliary policing program would not have been possible without the initiative and efforts of the RCMP members of "G" Division, who worked so hard to make this program concept a reality. I congratulate those members responsible for the development of this program.

Mr. Speaker, this is an important program and is totally dependent upon the participation of volunteers. The volunteer is a special individual. These persons put others ahead of themselves and are willing to give something back to the communities in which they live. In this instance, they have dedicated many hours of personal time to this program, over and above the basic training requirements, and will continue to receive training on an ongoing basis. They have participated in a number of community events such as the 1996 air show and zero tolerance policing activities.

Their presence has been noted and well-accepted by the public. Mr. Speaker, I would like to take a moment to mention the new auxiliary members: Paul Mounsey; Mike Bourque; Linda Thiel; Mitch Siemens; Emmett Crossman; Melanie Lacroix; Ron Nickle; Ross Jan; Jeff Steinwand; Steven Pagotto; Michael Dunsmore; Jim Peterson; Allison Gloeden; Gerta Groothuizen; Lorraine Conway; and, Francis Jackson. I would like to thank them for volunteering for this program and to wish each of them luck with this very worthwhile endeavour.

I am confident that the RCMP auxiliary policing program will be a successful one and that these individuals will prove to be an example for others to follow. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 66-13(3): Appointment Of Rcmp Auxiliary Members As Peace Officers

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ng . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 67-13(3): Northern Nursing Program

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the health care field offers northerners many opportunities for employment. Well-trained northern health care workers can make it easier for patients to receive treatment in a manner more reflective of their culture and language. Northern aboriginal health care specialists can reduce our staff recruitment costs and provide positive role models for our young people.

To develop this potential, my department has collaborated with Aurora College, Health and Social Services and the NWT Registered Nurses' Association to establish the northern nursing program.

Not only was a legislative amendment needed to ensure registered nurses could be graduated, but approval was needed from the Nurses' Association itself to ensure the program met all academic requirements and national standards. After an evaluation of the staff and curriculum, health care professionals said the program ranked with any in the country and could serve as a model of excellence for other programs. They praised the quality of the staff and the blend of traditional medicine and modern medical practices in the curriculum.

Mr. Speaker, the Nursing Association's board of directors has recently recommended that the northern nursing program be granted approval for two years. It will be reviewed again at that point and regularly in the future, so it can maintain its status.

I want to congratulate all partners who participated in the development of the northern nursing program. I would like to give special recognition to the staff at the Yellowknife campus of Aurora College. They have created a nursing program with high professional standards and one which will ensure a supply of well-trained northern nurses for the future.

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Minister's Statement 67-13(3): Northern Nursing Program

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Ningark .

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Congratulating Gjoa Haven Men On Commissioner's Award For Bravery

Item 3: Members' Statements

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is my pleasure to announce that last evening there was a Commissioner's award ceremony in Gjoa Haven, followed by a feast and a dance. The people of Gjoa Haven celebrated the commendable bravery of three young men. They are Sam Kenerk; James Kununak; and, Clarence Siutinnuaq. They saved the lives of five children who were going to play hockey on a lake which had just frozen over, in September of 1995.

The all-terrain vehicle they were on went through the ice in the deepest part of the lake. Some of the children pulled themselves out, when three men went over and pulled out the rest of the children who had fallen through the ice. We are all grateful that Sam, James and Clarence unselfishly came to the aid of the five children.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ningark . Item 3, Members' statements.

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Treaty Rights

Item 3: Members' Statements

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My statement today is with regard to a question of aboriginal rights, treaty rights, programs and services being transferred from the federal government to the Government of the Northwest Territories, as well as regarding other treaty rights that have been signed in the past and new treaties, which are now called land claims agreements.

Under

Section 35 of the Canadian Constitution, it clearly identifies aboriginal people having distinct rights. It seems through the transfers that have taken place and the downsizing of government, there is a fundamental problem in how people are recognized. We have band members who are registered Indians, under the Indian Act, in bands in the Northwest Territories, yet may live in southern Canada for medical, personal or family reasons. Those people have rights to only one band in Canada and that's the band with whom they're registered. The same thing applies to Metis organizations and people registered in land claims settlements.

It seems like we are spending a lot of time talking about devolving programs and services to communities, and also cuts in delivery of programs and services; yet, when it comes to the principle of individual rights, the whole question about who has authority over aboriginal people in the Northwest Territories, they are played off as pawns by the Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development and also this government. We have to identify the exact right we're talking about, in the context of the right to programs and services which have been transferred from Indian Affairs to this government, by way of contribution agreement or block funding.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Treaty Rights

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Mackenzie Delta is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement, Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In concluding my statement, issues have been raised in this House about individuals who return home from the South after a couple of months, and the problems we have seen in how they're dealt with by Social Services for access to social programs such as welfare and being restricted from those rights based on residency. These people we call aboriginal people have been here for thousands of years. In some cases, 20,000 to 30,000 years. Yet, when it comes to where they come from, this government seems to have a problem in identifying exactly where their homeland is. This is their homeland. They were here long before this government, or even Canada.

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Treaty Rights

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Treaty Rights

Item 3: Members' Statements

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

So I think we have to somehow deal with this question about how we deal with the aboriginal people who traditionally come from this homeland, to make them feel at home in their land without being questioned or disputed with regard to their status. This government should do an internal review on exactly how they see the registered systems for program delivery and how people's health cards or status cards can be put into all aspects of government, not just a number where you show up and say I've been gone for a while. Oh, sorry, you're not a resident.

At the appropriate time I will be asking the Minister a question on this item. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Community Wellness Conference In Iqaluit

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, an important event is happening at the present time in Iqaluit. The community is holding a community wellness conference. Workshops on topics like communication skills, sexual abuse, parenting skills, suicide, traditional Inuit healing practices, smoking, elders' issues and mental health are just some of the topics being discussed. Phyllis Chelsey from the Alkali Lake Indian Band will be one of the keynote speakers. The conference is being co-chaired by Mayor Joe Kunuk and Lena Evic Twerdin.

Mr. Speaker, this conference is part and parcel of the type of activity envisioned when the GNWT announced the community wellness strategy. Community wellness, to me, means taking control of our lives and social conditions at the community level. We have to build bridges and support mechanisms between cultures and economic conditions. We have to base the strengths of the community and balance these against the undercurrents of helplessness that have permeated through our communities.

Mr. Speaker, this conference in Iqaluit will build on the pride that has been evident in our community over the past several months. I congratulate the organizers, participants and volunteers who have made this event possible.

I will not be in the House tomorrow as I will be travelling to Iqaluit with Mr. Todd . I will be participating in a panel discussion on community wellness this weekend and, of course, will be hosting Mr. Todd . I am looking forward to participating with the guests and participants of the community wellness strategy and, of course, playing host to Mr. Todd , who will be much in evidence and in the spotlight this weekend in Iqaluit. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Picco . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Baffin Fishery

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A week ago today I talked about my optimism for the Baffin fishery. Today I am pleased to report some new developments.

In response to a letter sent on March 27, 1996, on behalf of all Baffin MLAs, the Minister of Fisheries and Oceans, the Honourable Fred Mifflin, has sent a reply to us, care of Mr. Arlooktoo , dated May 16, 1996. The Minister included with the letter a copy of a letter he had written recently to the chair of the Nunavut Wildlife Management Board, Mr. Ben Kovic.

Mr. Speaker, I am encouraged by the contents of the Minister's letter. In his letter he stated, "I understand the importance of marine fisheries to the people of Nunavut." In his letter to Mr. Kovic, the Minister also noted that weather has devastated the 1996 winter fishing for inshore turbot, as I have already described in this House. Taking that bad weather into account, the Minister stated that he would allow unfished inshore quotas to be transferred to offshore fishing for Nunavut in the amount of 970 tonnes.

He also agreed that again in 1996, Pangnirtung Fisheries will be allowed by the Minister to arrange to charter a Newfoundland vessel to fish for turbot in area "0," since they do not yet have a vessel of their own.

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Baffin Fishery

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Enuaraq . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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Graduates From Mowhi Community Learning Centre

Item 3: Members' Statements

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I am pleased to stand in the House to announce that at the Mowhi Community Learning Centre there will be a graduation ceremony for 36 young adults who have worked hard to better themselves over the past year. I wish I was able to attend this important event. Mr. Speaker, I would like to congratulate each and every one of them for their achievements, as well as congratulate all the graduates from across the Northwest Territories.

The graduates for the academic upgrading program are Bessie Apples; Doreen Apples; David Gon; Marilyn Kotchilea; Madeline Mackenzie; Mary Adele Mackenzie; Tiny Mackenzie; Alice A Mantla; Kathy Simpson; Mary Louise Tinqui; Adeline Wedzin; and, Alice Wedzin.

For the northern skills development program the graduates are Nora Beaverhoe; Therese Drybone; Johnny Dryneck; Nora Ekendia; Betty Ann Mackenzie; Joyce Washie; Betty Ann Wedzin; Lena Drybone; Rose Bailey; and, Mary Margaret Mantla.

For the pre-trades program the graduates are Peter Beggair; Peter Eyakfwo; Paul Lafferty; Gilbert Mantle; Raymond Mantle; Jean Louie Rabesca; Stanley Wallin; Alfred Whane; Justin Whane; William Tatzia; Wayne Sabourin; Jerry Quitte; and, Richard Bishop.

Mr. Speaker, these are the graduates and I would like to congratulate them and say best wishes for the future. Mahsi cho.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Rabesca . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Student Summer Employment

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Qujannamiik, Uquqtii. I would like to report on the town hall session held here in Yellowknife by the federal Ministerial Taskforce on Youth, on May 15th, and suggest ways our government can help youth employment. As you are aware, the federal government -- as we are, here today, in the North -- is very concerned about the lack of employment opportunities for current graduates of our schools, colleges and universities. To address this problem, the federal government is providing short-term funds for summer student employment this year to each province; including, I understand, the NWT. These funds are double what they have provided in previous years.

The federal government has also established a taskforce to address long-term plans to improve employment opportunities for new graduates. One of the Taskforce on Youth strategies is to hold town hall meetings throughout Canada to obtain views and opinions from the youth themselves and others who are concerned.

I attended the town hall meeting here in Yellowknife and heard many different ideas. One of these ideas is to provide hands-on career and technology programs. We have the CALM programs in our schools -- which stands for "career and life management' -- but students believe the program should be started in an earlier grade; that the employment experience should be extended over the summer; and that a stronger network be set up between schools and the workplace.

Other ideas put forth were that workshops and information sessions be held with people presently employed in certain careers; workshops should be given on the weekends for setting up student businesses; and, that the present career days be given in greater depth.

Some of the concerns that students in Yellowknife had were that it's difficult to get jobs while in high school, but students need part-time jobs, they feel, year-round to get the experience. Another concern is that in the communities the chance for student employment is even less; less than in Yellowknife, for example. The career program in the schools, they feel, is not suited to community situations.

I wonder what the government's long-term initiatives are for youth employment. I've just stated some ideas from the town hall meeting that should be considered.

Also, I wonder what our government's short-term plans are for summer employment this year. I understand...

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Yellowknife Centre is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Ootes , conclude your statement.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wonder what our government's short-term plans are for summer employment this year. I understand that Mr. Dent was to meet this week with federal government representatives concerning how much money is coming to the NWT for student summer employment, and I'm anxiously waiting for a report on that.

In my opinion, the funds are very late in coming because post-secondary students have finished their courses already and have been job hunting for over a month. I sincerely hope that the GNWT also will not use these funds to hire students at the casual wage rate of $22 an hour which, I understand, under the collective agreement, in some cases, they have to. I hope that we will see use of those funds provide a basic student wage, and in order to maximize the number of students who can be hired in government.

In order to take advantage of these one-time funds, I hope the personnel services of this government can arrange a special student rate more suited to the beginning skills of students, either by an immediate arrangement with the union or by temporary legislation. We have little time left to institute this temporary program and I would hope we don't let this opportunity slip by. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Barnabas .

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Need For Executive Representation In Baffin

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Qujannamiik, Uqaqtii. I wish to make a few further comments about the need for executive representation in the Baffin region. I know that this government made the decision to terminate the regional director's position in all regions as a financial restraint measure and I know that most Members of this Assembly, except the Members from Baffin, supported this decision. 1, therefore, accept that the decision was made and the positions are gone.

However, Mr. Speaker, I wish to point out to the Premier and his Cabinet that I still believe that they have a strong need for a representative of the Cabinet to be located in the region. My main concern is that our government should be represented at the executive level in the Baffin region in the years leading up to Nunavut. We already know that the federal government is planning on significantly enlarging their presence in Nunavut; especially, I suspect, in Iqaluit.

I believe that our government needs someone senior in place who can represent the government as a whole and represent the views of this Legislature and the Cabinet as the federal government enlarges its presence in Nunavut. Of course, we want to get along with the new federal departments and bureaucrats who will be moving into Nunavut, but I also believe that we should have someone there who will protect the interests of this government and this Assembly and monitor what is going on.

I know that the plan is that various superintendents will coordinate responses on an issue-by-issue basis, and I understand that Municipal and Community Affairs will have a major role in filling the former functions of the regional director. However, Mr. Speaker, I am doubtful that one or more superintendents can easily assume the duties of what was a busy office of four persons.

As we all know, our superintendents are busier than ever before...

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Samuel Gargan

The Member for High Arctic is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement, Mr. Barnabas .

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Qujannamiik, Uqaqtii. ...dealing with financial restraint, employee morale, lay-offs and turnover. Mr. Speaker, I am not only concerned about the "fix-it" role that regional directors have played in the Baffin region, as I mentioned in my Member's statement yesterday. I am more concerned now about the role of the regional director in representing and, if necessary, protecting the interests of the entire territorial government.

I believe that as we move rapidly towards implementing division, it will be especially important to have good communications and working relationships with Inuit organizations and the federal government which is moving back into the Eastern Arctic in a big way. They will be spending $32 million in capital and operations and maintenance in the next few years up to 1999. For the past 25 years in the Baffin, regional directors have represented the Department of the Executive of the territorial government.

I am making these comments, Mr. Speaker, to respectfully suggest to the Premier and the government that some thought must be given now to new ways of establishing a better presence for the executive in the Baffin region. I hope the Premier and Members of Cabinet agree with me that it is especially important that our government have strong and senior representation in the Baffin at the same time as a major transition to the new Nunavut Government and the establishment of a new territorial capital is under way. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Need For Executive Representation In Baffin

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 587

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Barnabas . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Roland .

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Programs For Youth

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 587

Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to bring up the issue of youth. Mr. Speaker, I mentioned a number of times, in this House and in committee meetings, the importance of programs that concern the youth. It is good to see that we have some programs that are taking the initiative of trying to address the problems that face us today concerning youth, in education and health. This government needs to do more. I would like to take the time to point out that there are people who, even though we are in times of financial restraint, are continuing to work for the youth.

In Inuvik, we have a group of people who are working on a youth centre project and they are doing the best they can in these times. They are looking at the youth as potential for the future and a way they can keep us moving ahead instead of being problems later on in life. It is that kind of initiative, Mr. Speaker, we need to take and we need to help them provide opportunities for the youth and not just in sports and activities, but in real programs that the youth can utilize to better educate themselves and be better contributors to the future of the Northwest Territories.

I think, we, as a government, should be starting to develop new ways to deal with these people in times of difficulty. I think in the next little bit and as we come up to the next time we start dealing with budgets, we should be focusing on these. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .

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Drug Abuse And Addiction Problems Of Youth In The Nwt

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 587

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to speak on why community wellness should be focused on our youth. Listening to Mr. Ootes , I am glad to see that the federal government sees youth employment as top priority. I am concerned that too narrow a focus on employment will not help the youth of our nation. Many of our youth face tremendous barriers in their search for a place in Canadian society. This is especially true with aboriginal youth and youth in northern Canada. Some of these barriers are shared with all Canadian youth: the changing economy; the decline in manufacturing and resource industries; and, the rise of service industry.

There are some barriers which affect aboriginal and northern youth in much higher numbers. One of the highest barriers is that of substance abuse. We have tremendous problems with the abuse of drugs, alcohol and other intoxicants in the North. It should be obvious to the young person who is enslaved by addiction, that they are not likely to have very good employment prospects. Not only would an addicted youth be unlikely to get a good job, but he or she is unlikely to get an adequate education.

Addicted youth, rather than contributing to our society, are far more likely to represent a heavy burden on our strained social system. They will require more health care services, more remedial education, more social assistance payments and more intervention than would youth who are drug free. If we want to see the youth employment situation improve for northern and aboriginal youth, we have to address problems such as addictions. That is why I am confused by the mixed messages put out by both the federal and territorial governments. On the one hand, the government speaks of youth as a priority and funds training initiatives, the federal Taskforce on Youth and other projects.

On the other hand, the federal government takes money away from projects that are already making a positive difference to our youth. The territorial government also says there are no funds for this. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Yellowknife North is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement, Mr. Erasmus .

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Drug Abuse And Addiction Problems Of Youth In The Nwt

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 587

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In 1993, the federal government started funding a pilot project to address adolescent solvent abuse in the North. The Northern Addictions Services adolescent solvent abuse treatment program has been a great success to date. Starting with eight beds managed by Northern Addictions Services, the program has helped 60 youth on the road to healing.

As I said at another time, the Northwest Territories has the youngest population in Canada. The 1991 census showed that over half our population was under the age of 25. Given that we have the highest birth rate in the country, that figure will probably be even higher when the 1996 census results are tabled.

The mixed messages we are sending to our youth are not very helpful about where our youth fit in amongst the governments' priorities. We need to be sure our youth are healthy first, ahead of anything else. All the training programs and educational strategies in the world are a complete waste of time and money to youth who are coping with the slavery of drugs, alcohol and solvents. If the federal government and the territorial government want to be taken seriously on the issue of youth employment and other youth initiatives, then a holistic approach is needed.

Don't just look at issues like the transition from school to work, difficulties with labour market entry, or real and perceived employment barriers. Look at the health of our children; look at providing the services needed to help families overcome problems of substance abuse, physical abuse, sexual abuse, neglect, disease and inadequate housing.

We have many examples in the North of youth who have applied themselves with dedication and hard work and have developed into productive, happy, healthy adults with growing families. If we can strengthen the health of all of our youth physically, emotionally and spiritually, then we can be sure that all of our youth will have a much better chance of making the transition.

Mr. Speaker, Yellowknife is different from any other community in the North. The population in Yellowknife has increased by 1,000 in just over one year. In some cases, we could fit two or three of our Members' communities into that population increase. One of my constituents has indicated that you can buy drugs, any kind of drugs, as easy as buying candy in Yellowknife. He told me that a 14 year old was approached by a drug dealer who wanted to sell cocaine in cough syrup to that child.

The child also told my constituent that he could buy marijuana joints for $5 a piece on the streets of Yellowknife. My constituent also told me that drug dealers are getting 14 and 15-year-old girls high on drugs -- whether by shooting up intravenous injections or by other means -- and then they sell their bodies to their customers; prostitution, Mr. Speaker, amongst our youth in Yellowknife. As I say, I don't think any other community is like that.

This is why I am saying that community wellness should address the youth, particularly in Yellowknife. When this government makes money available for community wellness, we need to put guidelines in place to use that money for our youth. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus . Item 3, Members' statements. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Commercial Fishing In The Nwt

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 588

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, commercial fishing is a very important sector of the economy in the area that I represent. For years, I have listened to the pros and cons, the good and the bad aspects of our central fish marketing agency; the Freshwater Fish Marketing Corporation. I have heard the reports of the good old days of commercial fishing when several private buying companies tried and sold our resource to ready markets. I have heard about the good and respectable living that

commercial fishermen made and the money they contributed to Hay River's economy.

However, times have changed and a federally legislated and controlled marketing board moved in and was going to be the answer. Since this has been in place, I continue to hear about things like the lack of adequate prices for our product, the lack of processing and related jobs for northerners, the marketing corporation's resistance to buying less desirable species, which ended up going to waste, and about the lack of efficiency of FFMC in identifying and delivering our world class product to potential markets.

The debates go on. Some like the present system and some don't. What I am concerned about is the resources of the Great Slave Lake. Are we managing it in the best and most sustainable way that we can? Are we receiving the most direct and indirect benefits for our northern residents from this valuable resource? I don't know when this whole issue was looked at last, but I would suggest that the experts on the subject are the commercial fishermen themselves. I would like to see this government undertake a very comprehensive assessment of how this valuable resource is being managed or, should I say, mismanaged. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. O'Brien .

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Care Of NWT Elders

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 588

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wish to comment briefly on a shameful situation that is existing in my region of Kivallivik. Mr. Speaker, this government has placed our precious elders in a very frightening situation. Mr. Speaker, with the adjustment of the fee

schedule for elders living in government-run centres, in Arviat alone we will have six elders who will be leaving the centre due to the fact that they cannot afford to stay there. Mr. Speaker, these elders will be going back to live with their extended families in situations where there is overcrowding and they will not get the care and time they deserve because the families they will be living with are presently working and trying their best to look after their children.

Mr. Speaker, this is not my idea of treating our elders, the pioneers of the North, with respect and dignity. I will be addressing this issue later on to the appropriate Minister. Thank you, Mr. Speaker,

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. O'Brien . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Henry .

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Unemployment Rate In Communities Of The Nwt

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 588

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We would all like to have the freedom to live where we want. For some of us, it might be the place of our birth. For others, it might be a larger community. Unfortunately, the reality for many is that we have to go where the jobs are. Even within this House, we have evidence of just that. The Premier has requested that his Ministers move to Yellowknife simply because that is where they are needed to do the job. It has finally dawned on me why, in one community, we have a small

unemployment rate and in another, the unemployment rate is very high. The simple fact of the matter is, there aren't enough jobs in the communities with the higher unemployment.

In my community of Yellowknife, we have a low unemployment rate because if people don't have a job, they have to leave and go to where they can find one. It is a basic rule of the wage economy. Everyone, I believe, would love to have a Lac de Gras at the edge of their community. It would be so nice and convenient. The reality is, Mr. Speaker, this is not the case. People who want jobs will have to inconvenience their lives and be prepared to go where the work is. This is nothing more than what the Ministers in this House have done. I would ask MLAs to encourage their constituents to look for work and be prepared to move to find it.

Let's look at the aboriginal people as an example. Aboriginal people who lived on the land went to where the food was. They migrated to different areas in order to sustain a food supply. Now, in our wage economy, we must use that simple principle and go to where the jobs are which will provide us with the means to supply food for our families. Some aboriginal people still choose to live their traditional lifestyles of living off the land. I commend them for that. For some, this lifestyle is not their first choice and it is those who must seek a sustainable lifestyle in the wage economy and go to where the jobs are. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Henry . Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Todd .

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Further Return To Question 251-13(3): Application Of Seniors' Housing Rates

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 589

John Todd

Keewatin Central

As part of the government's commitment to ensure that all housing is managed as efficiently as possible, in cases where staff housing units are no longer required for that program, one of the options that will be considered is converting them into social housing units. This will be determined on a case-by-case basis. Only when this occurs, would the social housing policies of the Housing Corporation apply.

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Question 290-13(3): Interim Measures For Contracting Procedures Re Nfa

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 589

Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I was very pleased to see that, yesterday, the Deputy Premier tabled the interim measures for the contracting procedures to comply with

article 24 of the Nunavut final agreement. I was wondering why these are only interim measures and not permanent government policy. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Deputy Premier, Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, as the Member is aware, it takes some time to consult and implement a government policy. Cabinet felt that time is of the essence. We need to implement these measures immediately. We need to get the Inuit workers and businesses participating as much as possible in the upcoming contracting season. Therefore, we have implemented these measures in the interim. In the meantime, we will be working with NTI to develop a policy to be tabled in September.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Supplementary, Mr. Enuaraq .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 589

Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Recently, in the

article of Nunatsiaq News, the president of NTI is of the view that the GNWT is not in favour of the four birthright corporations owning and contracting all the new infrastructure to be built in Nunavut. Could the Deputy Premier please explain exactly what the GNWT position is on this? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Arlooktoo .

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Interim Measures For

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, by way of background, I think it is important to know that there are several issues here. First, the decision by the federal government to use Public Works Canada as the infrastructure manager for infrastructure construction in Nunavut, rather than the GNWT. The GNWT took exception to that because we are of the view that we can do that cheaper and can build more infrastructure with the amount of dollars that are there than the federal government. At the same time, they have also indicated their interest to make a special deal with NTI birthright development corporations, to own and construct this infrastructure.

When the GNWT raised its objections on who will do the managing, because of the cost factor, I think it was immediately interpreted by NTI to mean that we were somehow not in favour of their birthright development corporations being involved. We have tried to make it clear to them, since then, that it is a GNWT position that the birthright development corporations have an important and critical role to play in the infrastructure development of Nunavut and I've said that many, many times.

However, related to that, it is my own view that it is important we foster individual Inuit businesses, whether on their own or in partnership with others, to make sure that we have a large number and a broad base of businesses that will support the Nunavut economy, rather than the economy being dependent on three or four major corporations. I've tried to make that clear, but I can't seem to get through to NTI for one reason or another, but that is the view.

We are in favour of the birthright development corporations and they should be involved. So should the GNWT and all Inuit of Nunavut. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Krutko .

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Question 291-13(3): Delivery Of Programs In Relation To Aboriginal And Treaty Rights

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 590

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question to the Premier is regarding aboriginal rights, with regard to how programs and services are delivered and also cut. Have the aboriginal groups been involved in any way through deliberations, or made aware of these cuts and how they affect the whole question of the rights and obligations that the federal government has to aboriginal people under treaty rights, and also how funds have been acquired from block funding from the federal government on behalf of aboriginal people?

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Mr. Premier .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 590

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It's my understanding that aboriginal groups have been consulted, as well as all public in the Northwest Territories, for any cuts that this government is making. As far as the federal government responsibility for aboriginal rights and the federal government's legal responsibility to aboriginal people, we have raised this issue many times; that we, as a government, feel that the federal government has not lived up to its legal obligations to aboriginal people on many of the programs. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. You say they have been consulted, but what was the method of consultation? Was it by telephone, by letter or by public meetings?

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

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Page 590

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don't know if all Members of the Legislative Assembly met with their constituents, but I can say that I did because I had public meetings in my riding and that included all people from my riding, including treaty and Metis people who gave myself advice, just like they would give every other Member in this House advice of what to cut, what not to cut and what to try to maintain. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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Page 590

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

With regard to devolution of programs, we've heard that you have been doing block funding agreements with municipalities. Yet, there are bands and Metis locals within those municipalities who are presently looking at the same thing, either through self-government negotiations or else through looking at programs and services that they may be interested in. Have they been involved through those block funding arrangements, and how will it affect the Metis locals or bands in those communities through community transfers?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Morin .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 590

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We made it very clear at the outset of this government that we will be consulting and talking to aboriginal leaders throughout the Northwest Territories. I'm very confident that Mr. Antoine , who is in charge of Aboriginal Affairs, is dealing with that issue and working with the aboriginal groups to get a protocol agreement signed so that this government will recognize band councils as well as Metis locals as a government structure in the communities. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Krutko , you asked two questions in your first question so you have asked four questions. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Ootes .

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Question 292-13(3): Students' Summer Wages Under Collective Agreement

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 590

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Education with respect to my comments. I believe that there is a big problem of paying summer students, in some cases, $22 per hour. This is because of our collective agreement. I'm wondering if the Minister has considered discussing this with his Cabinet colleagues to consider legislating students out of the collective agreement, such as has been done with the firefighters.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 590

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Samuel Gargan

Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I believe the Minister responsible for the FMBS has already informed this House that that issue was discussed with the union and was not one of the areas in which agreement could be found. I do not believe that the Minister has indicated anything but support for the collective bargaining process, so I don't believe that that is a possible response at this time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

In relation to that, I'm wondering what the government is doing to increase summer employment. How much money was transferred from the federal government for summer employment?

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Mr. Dent , two questions.

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Page 591

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, no money was transferred from the federal government to the GNWT for youth summer employment. The program to which I had referred earlier was the $300 million program that the federal government had announced some time ago. In meetings with Human Resources Development Canada, as of today, we're informed that the Alberta/Northwest Territories region of Human Resources Development Canada still has not had its budget finalized by Ottawa. Until it is, they will not know how many dollars are available for summer youth employment programs in the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Ootes .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 591

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

I'm wondering if the Minister could tell us, simply because the students from universities, colleges and institutions are coming back -- and, in some cases, are already back -- in the North, and they're becoming quite anxious about jobs. In Yellowknife alone there are 230. I wonder if the Minister could tell us if he has an indication of when the federal government may indicate they'll have a decision on this.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Dent .

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Page 591

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I believe I told the House earlier that Human Resources Development Canada had indicated they hoped to have the program in place for July 1st. Mr. Speaker, I think it's important to point out that Education, Culture and Employment has been working cooperatively with Human Resources Development Canada to create more opportunities for youth employment in the Northwest Territories. The federal student employment program which is under way right now provides employers with a wage subsidy and it assists community groups to match students with jobs.

In terms of student summer employment with the Government of the Northwest Territories, in order to assist students to find summer employment with the Government of the Northwest Territories, the Personnel Secretariat will continue to coordinate summer student employment in Yellowknife and departments will hire students in other regions.

The regional career centres which are operated by Education, Culture and Employment will assist by providing job search skills and career counselling. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 591

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 293-13(3): Status Of Rcmp Reorganization

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 591

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Justice . Could the Minister indicate the status of the RCMP reorganization that he indicated would be taking place, as well as indicate the possible savings that will hopefully be accrued back to the Government of the Northwest Territories? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 591

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister of Justice , Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the RCMP regionalization plan is still under way. They're keeping us apprised of developments as it moves forward. There aren't any identified savings to date because it is a moving study. They're anticipating, by the end of the 1996 year or during the course of this year, that they will have some of those numbers firmed up, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Question 294-13(3): Charges Re Beluga Whale Hunt

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 591

Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Justice and it's with regard to a previous year. There was a bowhead whale hunt in 1994. I'm wondering what the Department of Justice has done about the charges being laid. Is there a possibility of the charges that have been laid being dropped? There are a lot of organizations, such as ITC and Nunavut Tunngavik, who have supported the hunters in Igloolik; however, the GNWT Department of Justice has never been involved in this issue. The bowhead whale hunt that happened did not interfere with aboriginal rights.

I think it's within the aboriginal people's rights to hunt the bowhead whale. The reason they hunted the bowhead whale was to grant an elder's wish to have some more muktuk before he

passed on. A lot of regions in the Nunavut area supported the hunt. However, I want to find out what the Minister of Justice will do to make the federal government drop the charges for those hunters. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Just to make it clear with the Members, I'm not aware of the case itself and I understand that the charges may have been dropped. But if they haven't been dropped and it's still in the courts, then the question must be ruled out of order. I'll ask the Minister for clarification on this issue.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the charges were federal charges from the Attorney General's office. To my understanding it is still before the courts, so I can't comment on that. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Under the sub judice convention, we can't ask questions when matters are still in front of the courts if a decision hasn't been made yet, so I must rule the question out of order.

--- Ruled Out of Order.

Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Ningark .

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Question 295-13(3): Housing Allocations For Gjoa Haven

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 592

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of the NWT Housing Corporation. Mr. Speaker, on May 8, 1996, during his Minister's statement, Mr. Arlooktoo indicated to this House that he had a meeting with the federal Minister. His senior officials met with the senior officials of the federal Minister of Housing . He also indicated there was an additional $9 million given to the territorial government from the federal government. He also indicated that there is a need for housing in the area of 3,000 units in the NWT, if I'm not mistaken.

Gjoa Haven happens to be one of the communities in the Territories that has a severe housing shortage. People are now living in units without running water. Gjoa Haven is also one of the fastest-growing populations in the Territories. Will the community of Gjoa Haven be seriously considered for allocation of units from the additional $9 million? Will the community of Gjoa Haven be considered seriously by the Minister? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 592

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation, Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, I believe what the Member is talking about is the initiative announced by the federal government on northern housing; while the federal government, on one hand, is taking $ 10 million off our base, they announced one-time funding on remote housing for $10 million. It's a current issue that we're working on. The northern remote housing dollars that were identified will be

distributed and used, based on need in the communities. I understand and appreciate that the Member's community, along with many others, is in dire need of extra housing. So, based on that -the needs survey and applications -- I will assure the Member that it will receive fair consideration. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ningark .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 592

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. According to my understanding, having had a meeting with the people of Gjoa Haven, having had to visit the homes in the community, I know there is a need for housing in that particular community and I believe that community deserves to have very serious consideration from the Minister. How soon will the Minister determine which community will be allocated much-needed units within the system? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, as I said earlier, the allocations are based on need, on actual surveys that are done in the communities. 1, as Minister, do not play a

part in hand-picking communities and individuals who will get housing, but I am aware that Gjoa Haven is on the list, as many, many other communities are, of needing houses immediately. That's all I can report.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Ningark .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 592

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I realize the honourable Minister is not in the group which hand-picks which community will be allocated the units. How soon will the Minister be able to tell me and this House that government will determine which community will be allocated, using the funds that this government has received from the federal government? How soon will be the Minister be able to tell me which community will be allocated the units? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, about two weeks ago, I wrote to all Members to inform them of the allocations of houses to their communities, based on this year's construction season. Since then, the Housing Corporation has been working on a second list of allocations to communities with this new federal money. I expect to have this list within the next 10 days to two weeks and, once I receive that, I will provide it to the Member.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Krutko .

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Question 296-13(3): Provision Of Services To Non-resident Band Members

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 593

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question to the honourable Minister of Social Services , Mr. Ng , is with regard to a question I raised in my Member's statement about aboriginal people who originate from one of the bands in the Northwest Territories, who are registered Indians under a band in the Northwest Territories, but live in southern Canada for reasons of health. They may have cancer, or have gone south because they had TB, but they are still registered on the band list in those communities.

I'll use an example. For instance, in Arctic Red River, the daughter of Nap Norbert passed away from cancer, outside of Edmonton. Because of the new policy this government has put in place -transferring people north for burial was eliminated -- the band had to incur the cost of $6,000 to bring that individual's body home for burial. Yet that individual is a band member of Tsiigehtchic.

With regard to the non-insured health benefits and those sorts of programs, this is aboriginal people's homeland. It doesn't matter if they live in Alberta, New Mexico or Brazil, this is still where they come from. I would like to know if the Minister is willing to consider taking a look at that policy, and also consult the bands to review that policy to see how this can be resolved.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, where an individual lives, no matter what status they have or where they originated, is their personal choice. If that individual is not in our care, in a facility for medical purposes or social services purposes, in the case of a child, then we would not have ongoing responsibilities for providing services to a resident who was not in the Northwest Territories, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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Page 593

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It's a good point, yet this government derives 85 per cent of its revenues from the federal government and a large portion of those revenues come from the Department of Indian Affairs for status Indians. This was a band member who was an Indian, so you're telling me because this individual wasn't living here -even though you're willing to take money from the federal government for all aboriginal people in the Northwest Territories, which is based on the band lists -- that you will not fund those particular individuals.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it's my understanding that contributions that are received for various services are based on a per capital basis, based on census statistics that are updated through the Department of Vital Statistics. I can't see how, if an individual doesn't reside in the Northwest Territories, we would be receiving funding for that individual, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. What you're saying is the band list that the federal government has in the Department of Indian Affairs in Ottawa, a list of all registered Indians, every year the bands receive core funding based on this list and that this government does not require the same revenue based on the same formula.

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Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, with respect to those band lists, the Department of Indian and Northern Affairs would have band funding, which is federal, and would not apply to this government, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister table in this House exactly how the allocation is made, with regard to Indian Affairs, for programs for the bands and those members so we can see exactly what you're talking about on that issue? Could you have that tabled in this House so we can see exactly how funds are allocated between the Department of Indian Affairs, the Government of the Northwest Territories and the particular aboriginal people who are registered under the Indian Act?

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No, Mr. Speaker, because I don't have access to the information of federal funding to bands in the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Question 297-13(3): Dot's Division Implementation Plans

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Transportation and it's in reference to a

memo I got today with regard to the Department of Transportation establishing a plan for division. Apparently, the plan was approved by Cabinet and the Financial Management Board.

I would like to first make reference to the report by the Standing Committee on Resource Management and Development. In its review, the committee recommended that the department not proceed with the planned transfer of PYs to Nunavut until incremental cost negotiations were finalized with the federal government. The department responded by stating that no substantial costs would be incurred until negotiations were completed. The committee, in turn, recommended that the Department of Transportation not incur any costs related to the transfer of PYs to Nunavut until negotiations are complete.

I'm informed that staffing for the first two years of the plan, 1995-96 and 1996-97, is essentially complete and investments have been made in office and computer equipment. There were two reasons for this. The second reason was to avoid major staff disruptions prior to division, by starting early to take advantage of vacancies that occur in Yellowknife in order to staff positions in the East. An assistant deputy minister position has been established and two other corporate positions were established in preparation for division. I understand these may be in Nunavut already.

With the completion of staffing of the three remaining positions, the eastern headquarters can operate for 1996. I wonder if the Minister could tell me ... My understanding was that no transfers were going to take place and no staffing was going to take place with regard to division.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the honourable Member is referring to a document that he has received. It would be very good for me if I knew what document he was referring to. In the Department of Transportation, there are a lot of training documents and planning documents that are in existence. It might be one of the documents that he has access to. In reference to what the honourable Member is asking about, the last government had agreed to make changes to the Department of Transportation in terms of developing an eastern component of the Department of Transportation.

This was done before I became the Minister of Transportation . There are planning documents in the works on how different scenarios could be developed.

It is good to do that because each department is looking at these things. Eventually there will be division. We have 33 more months before division and if we hold off on any of our plans or on how each department is going to look, we are going to be in trouble when division happens. So the Department of Transportation took the initiative in the last government to begin looking at how this department is going to function once division happens. There were some positions put in place by the last government. There is an assistant deputy minister in Rankin Inlet and there have been plans to put more PYs in the East.

Upon the advisement of the standing committee, we put a hold on that. There are plans in place to do more of these transfers but, at the present time, this has been put on hold. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Actually, the document I refer to is a covering letter that the Minister sent to the Standing Committee on Resource Management and Development, of which I am a Member. The concern I have with this, Mr. Speaker, is that we, as a committee, were informed that no transfers would take place. There was one position established in March and yet the committee was meeting at that time. I am wondering why now we are learning that positions are being established. The committee should have been told about this. Why weren't we told about this?

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If I knew exactly what position the honourable Member is talking about, perhaps I could be more precise in my answer. There was a position that was filled and the person who was in that position took on another job with another organization. This was a vacant position and we filled it. As for putting new PYs and new people into Nunavut in the Department of Transportation, we have taken direction of the standing committee and haven't moved any additional PYs into the East until we have done a review of the transfer. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My specific concern is I understand an assistant deputy minister position for Transportation has been established and that it is in Rankin Inlet. My second concern is this was done to take advantage of vacancies that occur in Yellowknife in order to staff positions in the East. That, to me, is a transfer, Mr. Speaker, and I would like to know why that has happened.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Department of Transportation, in the last government, made the decision to move PYs to the East. We are just following through with some of the PYs that have already been established in the East. As for putting additional PYs into the East, as per the planning document, we aren't going to do that until we review that process. For your information, the last government also moved Economic Development and

Tourism to the East, as well, into Iqaluit. They have positions that were established there under the last government.

Mr. Speaker, the specific PYs that were moved into Rankin, if you gave me clearer information on what the Member is talking about, perhaps I could be more specific in my answer.

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Just to caution the Members, the present Ministers aren't responsible for decisions made by the previous assemblies or Ministers. I would also like to caution the Member that he is making reference to a document that isn't tabled in this House and isn't necessarily within the Minister's knowledge. Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

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My apologies for that oversight in referring to that document. My concern extends beyond just the transfer of the positions, but also the incremental costs. It goes back to the question of are we identifying this as an incremental cost and passing that on to the federal government. Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Once again, Mr. Speaker, the initiative of putting PYs into Nunavut in anticipation of the impeding division of the Northwest Territories was a decision made by the last government. I know there probably are incremental costs in that decision. However, the decision was made and our anticipation with the federal government was that any type of a transfer would be covered by the federal government. As we all know, we are told that $150 million has been identified by the federal government for any costs associated with creating Nunavut.

As a result of that, we all should start taking a look at exactly what "incremental costs' for division means. I take the Member's question very seriously. Indeed, it is a cost that we inevitably have to start looking at very seriously to see what it really means. Thank you.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, just a point of clarification, it was my understanding or recollection that we weren't going to cease looking at transfers to Nunavut, but we were going to look at a fair distribution of these positions. Could the Minister confirm that that was the case? That was my understanding of the issue, as it was raised in this House by me.

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