Debates of Feb. 27th, 1992

This is page numbers 163 - 184 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was questions .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Ministers' Statement 18-12(2): Sale Of Staff Housing

Ministers' Statement 19-12(2): Telecommunications Legislation

Speaker's Birthday

"reshaping Northern Government" Working Group

Late Mail Delivery

Conversion Of Direct Current Power To Alternating Current Power

Inmates Voting In Elections

1992 Canada Day Poster Challenge Winners

Two Residents Of Sanikiluaq In House

Snow Problems, Baker Lake

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Question O172-12(2): Secretary/manager For Jean Marie River

Question O173-12(2): Adjustment To Ymir For Workers' Compensation Board

Question O174-12(2): Deferral Of Large Capital Projects

Question O175-12(2): Equipment And Tools To Be Used At The Baker Lake Craft Centre

Question O176-12(2): Sale Of Staff Housing Units In Fort Smith

Question O177-12(2): Government Support For Production Of Converter, Iqaluit

Question O178-12(2): Sale Of Staff Housing Limited To Three Communities

Question O179-12(2): Qualified Social Services Superintendents

Question O180-12(2): Potential Implications Of Belczowski Versus Canada Court Decision

Question O181-12(2): Disposal Of GNWT Staff Houses

Question O182-12(2): Review Of Residency Requirement In Plebiscite Act

Question O183-12(2): Hiring Of Ministers' Executive Assistants

Question O184-12(2): Allowing Non-residents To Purchase GNWT Staff Houses

Question O185-12(2): Strategy For Sale Of GNWT Staff Houses

Question O186-12(2): Residence Of Chairman Of Mining Safety Committee

Question O187-12(2): Responsibility For Costs Associated With Mining Safety Bill Committee

Question O188-12(2): Integration Of Housing Corporation Into Communities

Question O189-12(2): Highway Patrol Operations

Question O190-12(2): Vehicle Accidents In The Nwt

Question O191-12(2): Hamlet Of Rae-edzo Cash Flow Problems

Supplementary Question O191-12(2): Hamlet Of Rae-edzo Cash Flow Problems

Question O192-12(2): MLA Involvement In Changes To The Plebiscite Question

Question W10-12(2): GNWT Guidelines For Northern-owned NWT Sawmills

Question W11-12(2): Meeting Of Canadian Coast Guard Officials

Item 9: Petitions

Committee Report 3-12(2): Report Of The Standing Committee On Finance

Item 11: Reports Of Committees On The Review Of Bills

Question W12-12(2): Costs For Chairpersons Of Boards, Agencies And Committees

Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 19: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 21: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Hon. Titus Allooloo , Mr. Antoine , Mr. Arngna'naaq , Mr. Arvaluk , Hon. Michael Ballantyne , Mr. Bernhardt , Hon. Nellie Cournoyea , Mr. Dent , Mr. Gargan , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Koe , Mr. Lewis , Mrs. Marie-Jewell , Ms. Mike , Hon. Don Morin , Mr. Nerysoo , Hon. John Ningark , Hon. Dennis Patterson , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Mr. Pudluk , Mr. Todd , Hon. Tony Whitford , Mr. Zoe

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 163

The Speaker

Good afternoon. Orders of the day for Thursday, February 27, 1992. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Ministers' Statement 18-12(2): Sale Of Staff Housing

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, cabinet has made a decision to sell government-owned staff houses in Yellowknife, Hay River and Fort Smith. The homes will be appraised and sold to the occupants at market rates.

---Applause

There are 113 of these units. The potential revenue to government will be about $12 million.

---Applause

Occupants who are not able to arrange conventional mortgages through the banks will be able to enter into a lease-purchase plan with the government. The lease-purchase plan will be based on current mortgage rates and conditions. There will be no special deals.

This initiative comes at a time of low mortgage rates and 95 per cent financing. The federal government's announcement of allowing up to $20,000 in RRSP savings to be used toward payment of the purchase price may be another incentive to some people to buy the home they presently occupy.

The initiative is the first phase of a long-term staff housing strategy. That strategy will outline a plan for providing staff housing where it is needed most and eliminating it in communities where employee needs can be looked after by the private sector. It will consider overall housing needs in the Northwest Territories and will integrate our reduced staff housing needs with other government housing programs.

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Ministers' Statement 18-12(2): Sale Of Staff Housing

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 163

The Speaker

Ministers' statements. Mr. Allooloo .

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Ministers' Statement 19-12(2): Telecommunications Legislation

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Hon. Perrin Beattie, federal Minister of Communications , has advised me that the federal government intends to table new telecommunications legislation today.

The tabled telecommunications legislation strives to deal with the importance of this high technology industry in an increasingly global community. Of particular importance is an obligation of the federal Minister to consult with the two territories and the provinces in the discussions of communications issues.

The Minister has also advised me of his intention to regionalize the CRTC, Canadian Radio-Television and Telecommunications Commission. He will be obtaining the views of the provinces and Territories regarding the location, method of appointment, and duties of commissioners, including regionally-based commissioners. Mr. Speaker, Mr. Beattie also intends to establish a conference of Ministers to discuss emerging policy issues on a regular basis.

Mr. Speaker, I point this out particularly as an indication of the success of the Government of the Northwest Territories in being accepted as a partner with the federal and provincial governments in the management of Canada. I am pleased that we continue to move forward in our efforts to strengthen our position in confederation. Thank you.

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Ministers' Statement 19-12(2): Telecommunications Legislation

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Ministers' statements. Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Lewis .

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Speaker's Birthday

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, I rise today and had a Member's statement prepared on a different subject from the one I am going to address today. I keep a journal and have kept one for over 30 years, Mr. Speaker, and had thought that your birthday was tomorrow. I have since learned that, in fact, it is today. I would like to point out that as the Minister of Justice our honourable Speaker kept his cards very close to his chest. It was very, very tough to get information out if he really did not want to divulge it.

I remember trying to get from our current Speaker the information I wanted about a lady called Mrs. Hope, who was in the prediction business, who would tell you your fortune, and I found it very, very difficult to find out under what kind of regulation or law she, in fact, practised this profession of predicting people's future. So since we now have a northern government with an access to information act, I would like to urge all Members to use whatever force they can so that this very carefully guarded secret would be available to all people in the Northwest Territories.

I would like to know, and I ask all Members to help me in this process, to find out not only how old the Speaker is, how many years he has got on the clock, but also where he was born, what time of the day, in fact, this great event took place, so that we can refer the information back to Mrs. Hope so that she can predict the future, not only of our Speaker, but also of this Legislative Assembly. Thank you.

---Applause

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Speaker's Birthday

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

That information, as all information, will be

available when the freedom of information bill comes out. Thank you for those wishes as I enter my golden years. Members' statements. Mr. Koe .

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"reshaping Northern Government" Working Group

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to make a statement regarding the ordinary MLAs' participation on the newly formed Reshaping Northern Government working group. The motion was passed in this House which requested that the Government Leader include three ordinary Members of this Assembly on its strategy committee for implementing the recommendations of the report, Strength at Two Levels.

Subsequently, I, along with my colleagues Jim Antoine and James Arvaluk , were chosen by the honourable Members on this side of the House to represent them on the proposed committee, and now everyone in this House is aware of the feelings of most of the ordinary Members relating to the perceived implementation plan of the Strength at Two Levels report.

Mr. Speaker, yesterday I rose in this House and spoke about my concern about participating on this committee at this time. When I spoke, I had no information or plans as to what the ongoing process and task of the working group would be. Subsequently, later in the afternoon, I and all my colleagues received a letter from the Government Leader inviting us to participate with three Ministers on the newly named Reshaping Northern Government working group.

Also, during discussions in committee of the whole yesterday, the Minister of Finance talked about involving other ordinary Members by channelling any proposed changes through the appropriate standing committees. Mr. Speaker, this is the type of information which we were waiting to hear. We wanted to be reassured that the government was not moving ahead full bore without our involvement.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to seek unanimous consent to proceed with my statement.

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The Speaker

Unanimous consent has been requested. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Proceed, Mr. Koe .

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"reshaping Northern Government" Working Group

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am probably one of the last people to criticize or curtail management ability to get the job done, even if this entails making changes. In one of my first speeches to this Assembly I stated that I do not support the status quo. Changes are necessary to make the business of managing and running government more effective and efficient, and let us get on with it. I am from the school of thought always looking at ways of how do you do something, rather than hearing all the reasons of how not to do anything.

---Applause

Of course, I do not necessarily agree with everyone on everything, but through talking and discussions we can all make our viewpoints and opinions known. If it eventually comes to a vote, we can vote accordingly.

By allowing us to participate in developing an implementation plan and strategy, all Members will have an opportunity to express their views and those of their constituents.

Mr. Speaker, the honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Antoine , the honourable Member for Aivilik , Mr. Arvaluk , and I have received the full support of our colleagues, and we will accept the invitation from the Government Leader to meet with their representatives to begin the task of reshaping northern government. Mahsi cho.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Members' statements. Mr. Pudluk .

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Late Mail Delivery

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My constituency has a concern about mail delivery since Canadian Air stopped delivering it from the East and the West. First Air now has the contract to deliver mail. They fly from Ottawa to Iqaluit, Nanisivik, Resolute Bay and Yellowknife. From Yellowknife, they return the same route. The mail that is coming into my constituency from the West is flown first to Ottawa. The mail arrives very late, which causes real problems for people expecting urgent mail. We did not have a problem with late mail delivery when Canadian Air was delivering it.

Canada Post should look into this problem so that my constituents can have better and faster mail delivery. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Late Mail Delivery

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Members' statements. Mr. Patterson .

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Conversion Of Direct Current Power To Alternating Current Power

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am very pleased to bring to the attention of all Members a scientific achievement which has been developed in the Baffin Region, and which I am sure all Members will find most exciting. The project involves a scientific method to convert DC power to AC power. In simple terms, the invention uses power from ordinary car batteries and changes this battery power into a form that is exactly the same as what we get from an ordinary wall socket in any home. For example, it can take two 12-volt car batteries and convert that into 1500 watts of power that will last for a minimum of 100 hours. All of this from a box weighing about 36 pounds!

In addition, the system can be easily recharged in a number of ways from windmills and solar panels to an ordinary battery charger. This means that the power is virtually available at all times, and the life of these batteries becomes spectacular in length.

The implications for power in remote communities is fantastic as it will offer options for a power source that eliminates much of the capital costs we presently incur when we install or provide portable generators. A new company called North Port, under the capable leadership of its president, Mr. Richard Porter, who is in this House today, has recently announced the completion of their factory in Iqaluit to meet the heavy demand for orders of this marvellous product. Initially, 10 local residents -- and I am happy to say they are to be all women -- will be employed in the factory, and with expanded growth potential, these figures will undoubtedly rise.

Mr. Speaker, I am proud of the efforts of my constituent, Mr. Jean Lambert, who invented this marvellous device, and I believe very strongly that the benefits from the manufacture of this amazing invention should stay in the North. I am also delighted that he has had collaboration with residents of Igloolik, notably Mr. Porter and Mr. Ike Haulli, to get this product marketed and off the ground.

Mr. Speaker, I would also like to distribute a recent newspaper

article that provides more detail for Members. In doing so, I want to object to the...

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Conversion Of Direct Current Power To Alternating Current Power

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The Speaker

Mr. Patterson , your time has expired.

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

May I make a brief final

statement?

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The Speaker

The Member is seeking unanimous consent to proceed. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Proceed, please.

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Humbly requesting unanimous consent, Mr. Speaker. In distributing this newspaper article, Mr. Speaker, I would like to take strong exception to the patronizing statement in that

article that Iqaluit is a part of the world not noted for technological breakthroughs. Obviously that is no longer the case, Mr. Speaker. Qujannamiik.

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Conversion Of Direct Current Power To Alternating Current Power

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The Speaker

Thank you. Mr. Gargan .

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Inmates Voting In Elections

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As many honourable Members know, there are provisions within our Plebiscite Act, Local Authorities Elections Act and the territorial Elections Act which state that incarcerated persons are not eligible to vote. Honourable Members will also be aware, though, that on January 28th the federal court of appeal heard the case of Belczowski versus Canada. On February 27th the court rendered a judgment that in essence held that it is arbitrary, unfair and irrational to prohibit incarcerates from voting.

Members who were here during the 11th Assembly will remember that I raised this issue way back on July 3rd, 1991. At the time, I sponsored a motion recommending that the Government of the NWT should use the Legal Questions Act to obtain a judgment on the constitutional validity of provisions in the territorial Elections Act which prohibit inmates from voting in territorial elections. Unfortunately, this motion was defeated. Some Members, including the current Minister of Justice , expressed an opinion that this issue should be decided "by people elected to this Assembly" rather than by the courts.

It does not appear that the government has been able to address this issue to date. Now, instead of having a legislative amendment that we could debate, or a legal ruling on the constitutionality of the inmate voting prohibitions in our legislation, we only have confusion and uncertainty.

Mr. Speaker, the Northwest Territories is about to embark on the most significant vote of its political history. There is a risk that the entire procedure may be impacted by these new constitutional developments. I would urge the Minister of Justice to move quickly...

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Mr. Gargan , your time has expired.

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to complete my statement.

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Unanimous consent has been requested. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Proceed, Mr. Gargan .

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker and honourable Members. I would urge the Minister of Justice to move quickly in analyzing this federal court decision and in developing a proactive strategy for government action in this regard. Thank you.

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The Speaker

On behalf of the Assembly I would like to welcome the president of the NWT co-operatives and its board of directors, Mr. Bill Lyall.

---Applause

Members' statements. Mr. Whitford .

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1992 Canada Day Poster Challenge Winners

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today as the Member of the Legislative Assembly for Yellowknife South, to recognize four special young people. They are the winners of Canada Day Poster Challenge this year, three of whom are from my riding.

The first place winner is Patricia MacVicar, 11 years of age, from Yellowknife; second place winner is Sonny Lenoir from Fort Simpson, age 17; third place is Jason MacVicar from Yellowknife, age 14; and the fourth place winner is Elizabeth Wilson, age nine, also from Yellowknife.

The first place winner, Patricia MacVicar, and her parents have been invited by the Secretary of State to the official Canada Day ceremony on Parliament Hill on July 1st of this year. Along with the 11 other provincial/territorial finalists, Patricia will be flown to Ottawa courtesy of Canadian Airlines International. As you know, Mr. Speaker, Canada will be celebrating 125 years of Confederation this year.

The other winners will receive monetary rewards for their achievements. Buffalo Airways of Yellowknife and Hay River provided courtesy flights for Sonny Lenoir's flight from Fort Simpson to Yellowknife to attend a reception to be held later today.

Mr. Speaker, 1992 NWT Canada Day committee received no less than 350 entries for the contest, a record number, this year. All of these students who entered this challenge are to be congratulated.

I would also like to commend the 1992 NWT Canada Day committee whose representatives include the honourable Member for Inuvik , Mr. Koe ; its president, Lynda Comerford; and vice-president, Ms. Theresa Handley, who worked so hard to put this and other activities together to celebrate Canada's birthday this year.

In closing, Mr. Speaker, I would like to invite all Members to join us in this lobby today at 4:00 o'clock for the presentation of awards and to view the very impressive artwork done by these youngsters from across the Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

I would also like to add that Mr. Bill Lyall is a former Member of this Legislative Assembly. Members' statements. Mr. Pudlat .

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Two Residents Of Sanikiluaq In House

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Mr. Speaker, I would like to welcome two people from Sanikiluaq, since I represent this community. Johnny Cookie, a member of Nunavut; also Lucassie Arragutainaq, a board member for Arctic Co-ops. I would like to welcome these two people to the Assembly. They are representing Sanikiluaq. Thank you.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Members' statements. Members' statements. Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Snow Problems, Baker Lake

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to speak a little bit about the snow problems that we have in Baker Lake. As most people may be aware, the amount of snow in Baker Lake is a major problem. In some years there have been houses which have been completely covered by snow. The only way in which one could tell there was a building in that area was because there was a chimney sticking out of the snow. As a matter of fact, snowmobiles have driven over these houses. These conditions are not only hazardous, they are unacceptable. There was a project which was started a number of years ago. This project was to build a snow fence on the northwest side of the community, in the older

section of the community. Today, the new area of the community is now being built with the prevailing winds in mind; however, the older

section of the community is still being covered with snow today. I would just like to point out that the snow fence which was started a number of years ago has not been completed, and this is a concern that I would like to make Members aware of. Thank you.

---Applause

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Members' statements. Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Returns to oral questions. Mr. Whitford .

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 166

Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Arvaluk on February 24, 1992, and it deals with a child sexual abuse specialist position in the Kitikmeot. There are only four child sexual abuse specialist positions to cover all regions of the Northwest Territories. The positions are in Fort Simpson, Inuvik, Iqaluit and in the Keewatin. The position in Fort Simpson is filled by a local resident. Interviews have been held and an offer made for the Inuvik position, and interviews are scheduled for the Keewatin and Iqaluit positions during the first two weeks of March.

The co-ordinator of the child sexual abuse program has offered training and treatment throughout the Northwest Territories prior to hiring the specialists. Once the positions are filled, she will also be able to concentrate on those regions without a child sexual abuse specialist. Training for the RCMP, social services and health care providers was completed in Cambridge Bay for the Kitikmeot Region. Extensive service has been given in Pelly Bay, Spence Bay and Cambridge Bay by the co-ordinator. The child sexual abuse specialist positions were part of the freeze on staffing; however, they were released due to the necessity of this needed service. Thank you.

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Further Return To Question O43-12(2): Review Of Policies And Procedures Of Akaitcho Hall Residence

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Page 166

Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have an answer to an oral question asked by Mr. Antoine on February 17, 1992, with respect to the review of policies and procedures of Akaitcho Hall Residence. The Member for Nahendeh requested a review of all policies and procedures regarding the supervision and care of the students staying at the Akaitcho Hall Residence.

The Department of Education is currently working with the Akaitcho Hall administrative staff to improve the procedures and staff guidelines for the supervision and care of the students. This will include a review of staff job descriptions to ensure that their responsibilities are stated clearly. As well, the department will conduct a full operational review of the Akaitcho Hall Residence in May, 1992. The review will focus on all aspects of operation, including the goals and objectives of the residence, training of staff, recreation and weekend activity programs for students, student leave procedures, and student support and participation in the operation of the residence.

We will do all we can to make sure that Akaitcho Hall provides the support and supervision a student needs. Thank you.

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Question O172-12(2): Secretary/manager For Jean Marie River

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 166

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister responsible for Municipal and Community Affairs regarding the community of Jean Marie River. Last July the secretary/manager left the community, and the department knew well ahead of time that this person would be leaving, and up to date this position has not been filled. As a result of that, there are a lot of problems within the community in terms of taking care of the administration of the community financially and project wise, and I know the problem there is that there is no co-ordination. Is the department going to be filling this position soon? Mahsi.

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Mr. Minister.

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Question O172-12(2): Secretary/manager For Jean Marie River

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, I will have to take that question on notice and get back as soon as I can. Thank you.

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Question O173-12(2): Adjustment To Ymir For Workers' Compensation Board

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 166

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister responsible for the WCB .

Section 1 of the Workers' Compensation Act defines the YMIR, year's maximum insurable remuneration, as $40,000. This means that no matter how much money a worker has been earning at the time of his injury, he will never be paid any more than $40,000. Mr. Speaker, it appears to me that this situation is rather unfair, particularly to the high income earners who suffer permanent disability injuries and must try to meet existing mortgages, pay the bills, and look after their children.

My question to the Minister is, since becoming Minister, has he received, by way of a formal motion or resolution of the Workers' Compensation Board, a recommendation to adjust the YMIR by amending the Workers' Compensation Act?

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, to answer the Member's question in its narrowest sense, no, I have not received a formal recommendation from the Workers

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 167

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you. In that case, will the Minister therefore make a commitment to introduce an amendment to the Workers' Compensation Act, during the second session of the 12th Assembly, which would adjust the earnings ceiling to an appropriate level in the YMIR?

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Page 167

Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, following discussions with the Workers' Compensation Board on this issue, I did ask the board if they would give me advice about what would be an appropriate level. They are reviewing the matter and, once I get that advice, I will proceed as expeditiously as possible to take the matter to cabinet and to this House to be dealt with.

It is a rather easy amendment to make, Mr. Speaker, but it does have financial implications that have to be studied carefully. I cannot guarantee next session, but I will work toward that goal. Thank you.

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Question O174-12(2): Deferral Of Large Capital Projects

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 167

Henry Zoe

North Slave

My question is directed to the Minister responsible for the Department of Finance. Could the Minister inform this House whether or not there is a process in place to inform a community and the appropriate Member when a decision is made to defer or delay large capital projects?

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Minister of Finance , Mr. Pollard .

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John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, I do not know if there is a formal process that is followed across all departments, but I can tell Mr. Zoe that in mid-December, 1991, Bob McLeod from Renewable Resources, in a telephone conversation with Chief Isadore Zoe, informed Chief Zoe that construction of the Lac la Martre office/warehouse complex was under review.

In 1992, on the 3rd of February, Len Hedberg advised Chief Isadore Zoe that the office/warehouse complex was under review and that no decision had been made. There was some consultation in that regard but, in answer to the Member's question, I do not know if there is a formal policy. I will undertake to find out, Mr. Speaker.

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Question O175-12(2): Equipment And Tools To Be Used At The Baker Lake Craft Centre

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 167

Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism regarding the craft centre that was recently completed in December. I would like to ask the Minister what kind of equipment and tools the craft centre at Baker Lake will be using.

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John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, they are using a wet grinding process which involves an electric motor that drives a grinding head. That demonstration is presently being put on in Yellowknife this afternoon. Thank you.

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Question O176-12(2): Sale Of Staff Housing Units In Fort Smith

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 167

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Personnel with respect to his Minister's statement on the sale of staff housing. Can the Minister tell me how many units out of 113 are located in Fort Smith?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

There are 49 units.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, can the Minister indicate what the criterion is for an occupant to be eligible to purchase these units?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, if a government employee lives in one of these units, they will receive a letter from us, probably tomorrow, notifying them that they can purchase the unit if they are interested.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Would the Minister be able to tell me whether there are certain criteria, besides occupying the units, to be eligible to purchase one of these units?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the main intent is to get the government out of providing housing in these larger centres. It is not geared toward making it a benefit to

employees. It is to get us out of owning government units that are defined as stand-alone units.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I received a concern from one of my constituents stating that it was indicated to them that only government employees are allowed to purchase these units after giving five years of service. This is why I am asking the Minister whether there are criteria set aside for disposing of these units. Can he tell me if this is correct?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I believe that might be confused with the original sale of units that happened last year. At that time the criterion for providing an offer to sell units in some communities was that it must be to employees who have been employed by the government for five years. That criterion is not necessary in this round. Thank you.

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Question O177-12(2): Government Support For Production Of Converter, Iqaluit

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 168

Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, I heard only a few days ago about the technological advance which will now lead to development of a manufacturing plant in Iqaluit to produce the converter. I would like to ask the Minister responsible for Economic Development , is the Government of the NWT in any way involved, either in providing technical assistance or providing financial support for this particular company?

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John Pollard

Hay River

I think they have been working with our department, Mr. Speaker, but they have not received any funds as yet. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The technology has been around a long time, but this is a much more efficient development. I would like to ask the same Minister, and I hope I will not be ruled as asking a hypothetical question, Mr. Speaker, from the Minister's understanding of this development, would the generation of power by such a company have to be in any way regulated by any agency of the NWT government?

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John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, as the Minister responsible for the Public Utilities Board , I would have to say that utilities are regulated in the NWT. If the power was being generated and sold, then that might be something that the Public Utilities Board might have to look at. But if it is merely the use of this particular instrument in the NWT, I would not see that it would fall under the PUB, Mr. Speaker.

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Question O178-12(2): Sale Of Staff Housing Limited To Three Communities

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 168

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Personnel regarding the statement he made on the sale of staff housing. I would like to know why only Yellowknife, Hay River and Fort Smith will be the communities where staff houses will be sold. There are other communities that have staff housing as well. Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the overall approach on what we are going to do with government staff housing in the Northwest Territories is going to be addressed in June when we bring out our long-term housing strategy. In the meantime, we have decided that it is probably the least disruptive to the housing market if we go ahead with selling these housing units in only Fort Smith, Hay River and Yellowknife, since they have the most developed housing market. We are aware that by doing this it is not going to flood the private market because we are actually selling them to the people who are living in them.

The question of what to do with communities like Inuvik, Iqaluit, Fort Simpson, among other communities, will be addressed because we do not have, as yet, a comprehensive way to address the situation in those communities. Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think the government employees who are living in government-owned staff houses in the smaller communities would feel that they have been dealt with unfairly with this new initiative. I know that some occupants in the past have indicated that they would not mind buying the units that they are presently living in. Would the Minister and cabinet consider selling these homes to the staff people living in them in the smaller communities, such as Fort Simpson? Mahsi.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, this announcement is just indicating that at this time this is what we are prepared and feel comfortable with initiating and following through on. We are not at the stage where we are comfortable with addressing the situation in the smaller communities, but we will be, I believe, by June. We will take what the Member is saying into consideration. Thank you.

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Question O179-12(2): Qualified Social Services Superintendents

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 169

Ernie Bernhardt

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister responsible for Social Services . Mr. Speaker, I believe that the successful delivery of social services at the regional level requires the presence of qualified managers. Would the Minister agree with me that because his department is trying to meet the needs of communities, it is important for regional superintendents in this department to be well qualified in terms of both theoretical and the practical parts of the job?

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, I will not be specific on this except to say that, yes, in every instance that person who is occupying a position, certainly in a management area, must have the diplomas or certificates, certainly qualifications. There is quite a broad range of criteria for determining qualifications in any position. However, I am sure that Members will agree with me that we do, in any position, try to seek the person with the most qualifications, or as high a qualification as possible to meet that particular position.

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Ernie Bernhardt

Kitikmeot

Does the Department of Social Services have a policy which puts a priority on hiring local candidates for regional management positions, regardless of their level of professional qualifications?

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, I think that it is certainly a consideration in any decision to staff a position that we meet the requirements set out not only by the job description, but also by the criteria that Personnel has established for the selection of qualified people. One would be to try to find a person as close to home as possible.

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Ernie Bernhardt

Kitikmeot

Can the Minister explain to the House why he decided to make a direct appointment which places a minimally qualified person in a training position which can eventually lead to her or his assuming the role of regional superintendent in my region, the Kitikmeot?

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, I have never made a direct appointment in my life. Actually, let me put it this way. I have never made a direct appointment since becoming a Minister of Social Services . That is not something that I can take any account for.

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The Speaker

Oral questions. I wonder if I could take this opportunity to welcome some distinguished guests to our Assembly. George Cleary, the president of the Sahtu Tribal Council; Sandy Whiteman, executive director of the Sahtu Tribal Council; Gordon Yakeleya, council member; Henry Tobac, council member; Leonard Kenny, from the Fort Franklin band; and Danny Gaudet, from the Fort Franklin band.

We have some special guests from Manitoba. From the Swamp Cree Tribal Council, Harold Turner, Grand Chief; and Richard Flett, assistant executive director. Welcome.

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Question O180-12(2): Potential Implications Of Belczowski Versus Canada Court Decision

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Page 169

Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Justice . Last week, in responding to a question from my honourable colleague for Yellowknife Centre, the Minister indicated that his department was studying the potential implications of the Belczowski decision. Can the Minister now advise the House as to the status of this review?

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Minister of Justice , Mr. Patterson .

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, I would have to tell the Member that it is still under way within my department. I could add that the matter was raised by the standing committee on legislation of this House at its meeting today, and I have been asked to get back to that committee on this very important issue related to their consideration of the plebiscite and other elections acts which are now before them. I would also note that the recent federal electoral boundaries commission also recommended that prisoners be permitted to vote in federal elections.

Mr. Speaker, my department is examining the federal ruling, and they are also examining just what kind of administrative procedures and changes would be required if we were to implement that ruling for territorial prisoners in facilities in the NWT and in the South. So the review is still under way, Mr. Speaker.

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Question O181-12(2): Disposal Of GNWT Staff Houses

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 169

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister of Personnel once again in respect to his Minister's statement, does he intend to dispose of 49 of these units all at one time?

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Minister of Personnel , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the offer is to sell 49 units in Fort Smith to the people who are living in those units. If they choose to accept the offer, we will proceed to complete a sale. If they choose not to purchase these units or negotiate some way to lease-purchase, then they can continue staying in them and the future of those units will be addressed in June when we release our long-term housing strategy. Thank you.

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Question O182-12(2): Review Of Residency Requirement In Plebiscite Act

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 170

Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister of Justice a question supplementary to the question that Mr. Gargan asked on another item relating to the elections. I wanted to know if the honourable Member is asking his department to review the matter of the residency requirement that is being asked in the Plebiscite Act.

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do recall that this very same issue of the validity of the residency requirement for the NWT Plebiscite Act was litigated around 1982 when the last territorial plebiscite was held. I would be pleased to provide Members of this House with a briefing on that decision, which I understand basically validated the residency requirement and which, I believe, would state the law as it now exists on that subject. So I will provide the Members with a briefing on that decision and its implications on the Plebiscite Act.

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The honourable Member will recall one of the reasons for not invalidating the requirement for the three-year residency was the fact that it was prior to the coming into force of the Charter of Rights. I think there have been subsequent rulings. So I would ask the honourable Member if he could have the appropriate research done into that particular matter.

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would be pleased to have that done, and I believe that request was also made by the standing committee on legislation at its meeting this morning. So yes, I will see that it is done as expeditiously as possible.

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Question O183-12(2): Hiring Of Ministers' Executive Assistants

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 170

Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

I would like to direct my question to the Government Leader with regard to the hiring of executive assistants. In the process of the selection of executive assistants, have these people applied for the positions and have they been successful in getting those positions, or are those direct appointments?

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Madam Government Leader .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, the executive assistants are chosen by the Ministers responsible because of their particular needs, and these are direct appointments.

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Question O184-12(2): Allowing Non-residents To Purchase GNWT Staff Houses

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 170

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Personnel with respect to this statement today on the sale of staff housing, which, by the way, I think is an excellent initiative. Should the current residents in the staff housing, government employees, not wish to purchase the units, has there been any consideration given in the policy to allowing others to purchase the units?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

No, Mr. Speaker.

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Question O185-12(2): Strategy For Sale Of GNWT Staff Houses

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If I might pursue the same question that Mr. Todd has just asked. Is the Minister considering that particular aspect in his strategy?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the future of these units, if they are not purchased by the present people living in them, we will be addressed in the long-term housing strategy that we hope to have for you in June. It will be considered and addressed at that time, I hope.

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Question O186-12(2): Residence Of Chairman Of Mining Safety Committee

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask a question to the Minister responsible for public safety. The Minister announced in the House the day before yesterday in respect to appointing the committee to address the mining safety bill. In reviewing the Minister's statement it was noted that the individual who is to be chairman of this committee is from BC. I would like to ask the Minister, basically, if the individual is from BC, and does he reside in BC?

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Iqaluit

Yes, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Does the Minister feel he could not retain the expertise in the NWT and that he had to go out of the jurisdiction?

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I thought long and hard about this, because of course in most circumstances we would want to take advantage of the expertise of a resident in the NWT.

However, the high expectations on the part of the stakeholders in the area of mining safety was that the new process to be put in place would be effective if the chairman was independent, and that led me to feel that any possible candidates from the NWT, although they would bring an element of local knowledge -- and a very important element of local knowledge -- to the committee, might be seen as coming to the committee with some kind of a bias, depending on their previous experience in one sector or another in the NWT.

So, Mr. Speaker, it was my judgment that in order to ensure objectivity and no one being involved that had an axe to grind, as it were, in this very controversial and sensitive area, that the advantages of appointing a neutral person from outside the Territories, especially with recent experience in developing progressive mine safety legislation in another jurisdiction, would outweigh the disadvantage of not having a Northerner as chair of this committee. It was a judgment call on my part, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, since the Minister feels that we still need a lot of southern expertise that is biased to be able to develop the Mining Safety Act, I would like to ask the Minister, what is this process going to cost?

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Well, Mr. Speaker, with the greatest respect to the Member, I did not say that we needed a biased southern expert. I said that one advantage of getting a person who is not from the jurisdiction is that they could not be accused of being biased or having an axe to grind, or carrying a particular agenda to the committee. That is, one guarantee of at least the appearance of independence would be to get somebody into this sensitive job who is not labelled as being associated with a particular mine, or a particular union, or a particular experience. It was exactly the opposite of my intention, which was to have an unbiased person in the chair.

Now, Mr. Speaker, with respect to the honourable Member's question about costs, the participants in this committee, I am happy to report -- that is, the members other than the chairperson -- will be responsible for their own costs, so the principal cost of this new consultation process will be the expenses of the chairperson. Mr. Speaker, the cost of employing the chairperson, who will be retained by the government, will depend on how long the committee takes to do its work.

I am hopeful that if we have the right degree of good will and a business-like approach with this committee, it could be done within a couple of months; but at the moment, until the committee meets, I will not be able to estimate the length of time it will require, and therefore it will be difficult for me to estimate the total costs at this point. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, can the Minister tell this House, what is the cost or the rate of the chairperson's fee per day?

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, the rate of remuneration for the chairperson of the mining safety bill committee will be appropriate to that person's professional qualifications. It will be the standard rate that is paid to a professional engineer -- I do not know how much it is, but whatever a professional engineer -- there is a scale of fees for experts, Mr. Speaker, which is probably well known to the honourable Member. I am not sure if it is a matter of privilege between that consultant and the government, Mr. Speaker, but it is what we would ordinarily pay a professional, in this case an engineer, for work of this kind. Thank you.

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Mrs. Marie-Jewell , you have used up your supplementaries. You did. I have two people who counted. Oral questions. Oral questions. Mrs. Marie-Jewell , a new question.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Under a new question, Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Minister of Safety and Public Services, and it is regarding the mining safety bill. Did the Minister indicate to this House that the Union of Northern Workers, Echo Bay Mines, and Polaris Mines will be absorbing the total costs for their members to be participants of the mining safety bill committee?

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Yes, Mr. Speaker.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

With that in mind, Mr. Speaker, how can the Minister convince this House that committee will be unbiased?

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Well, Mr. Speaker, I think there is a saying, "He who pays the piper calls the tune." I would think the honourable Member would be more persuaded that the members of the committee would be unbiased if they were paying their own costs, rather than if the government was paying their costs, and so I do not know why she suggests I need to persuade or convince the House that those four people, who are paying their own way because of their concern about mine safety, are somehow in the pockets of the

government. We are paying the chairperson, Mr. Speaker, because I believe it is the government's responsibility to put in place an independent and qualified person credible to all concerned who can do the job, but I am delighted that the four participants are willing to undertake their own expenses, and I wish we would see that more often in the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Actually, I was happy that he answered the way he did because I did want him to allude to the fact that we were paying an independent chairperson, and I would like to know, how much is the Minister paying this independent chairperson?

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This is getting very close, I think -- it is really using a supplementary as follow-up to your old question, so I am afraid I will not be able to entertain that one, Mrs. Marie-Jewell . Oral questions. Mr. Lewis .

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister responsible for whatever the Housing Corporation is called now, because I understand it is going to be changed. Last week the Minister indicated that although he intends to get rid of the board of the Housing Corporation so that we can better integrate all government activities, and since housing, in fact, takes place in communities, I would like to ask the Minister, since he has indicated that at the local level Housing Corporation bodies will remain in place, since they will remain independent, how are they going to be better integrated into the economy of the community?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to assure the Member that the Housing Corporation is still called the Housing Corporation today. As far as the community organization, how it would be more effective -- and I did say last week in this House that we were not going to touch those organizations, and it is still my plan not to touch them immediately. That is going to be addressed through the community transfer agreements that the Minister responsible, Mr. Kakfwi , is responsible for.

So it is my understanding that the housing authorities will continue to do the job they are doing now in the future, and once community transfer is made to the community local council, then it would be changed. That is my understanding. Thank you.

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Question O189-12(2): Highway Patrol Operations

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to direct my question to the Minister of Transportation with regard to his response to the highway patrol operations by the department. In his response, Mr. Speaker, the Minister indicated that the officers are on patrol duty one eight-hour shift a week. What day of the week is that?

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Minister of Transportation .

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you