Debates of March 29th, 1995

This is page numbers 677 - 710 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 7th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Northern Manufacturing Initiative

Transfer Of Sir John Franklin High School

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Negative Impact Of Low-water Surcharge

Meeting Re Harbour Improvements In Iqaluit

Removal Of Fire Crews From NWT Airports

Passing Of Fort Simpson Elder

GNWT's Use Of Employees' Airline Travel Points

Construction Of Sanikiluaq Community Centre

Confusion Between Mr. Pudlat And Mr. Pudluk

Member's Statement Paying Tribute To Susan Aglukark

Clarification Re Funding Options For Pelly Bay School Gymnasium

Status Of Sanikiluaq Community Hall Project

Transport Canada Review Of Emergency Response Systems

Concern Re Reduction Of Teaching Positions In Nanisivik

Status Of Trans-boundary Water Agreements

Erosion Of Official Languages Principles

Additional Support To Baffin Transportation Department

Reason For Unw Monitoring Legislative Assembly Sessions

Strategy Re Monitoring Air Quality

Td Re Fort Smith Aircraft Maintenance Facility Chronology

Health Care Billings Agreement With Federal Government

NWT Residents' State Of Health Versus Other Jurisdictions

Return To Written Question 15-12(7): List Of Purchases Made By Pw&s Local Garage In Fort Smith

Return To Written Question 16-12(7): Maintenance And Closure Of Winter Roads In NahendehReturn To Written Question 16-12(7) Asked By Mr. Antoine To The Minister Of Transportation Concerning Maintenance And Closure Of Winter Roads In Nahendeh.

Committee Report 5-12(7): Report On The Review Of Rewriting The Liquor Laws Of The Northwest Territories: A Legislative Action Paper

Item 12: Reports Of Committees On The Review Of Bills

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Bill 28:

An Act To Amend The Legislative Assembly And Executive Council Act

Bill 30: Deficit Elimination Act

Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Bill 21: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1994-95

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Bill 29: Interim Appropriation Act, April 1 - June 30, 1995

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Mr. Allooloo , Mr. Antoine , Hon. Silas Arngna'naaq , Mr. Ballantyne , Hon. Nellie Cournoyea , Mr. Dent , Hon. Samuel Gargan , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Lewis , Mrs. Marie-Jewell , Ms. Mike , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Richard Nerysoo , Hon. Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. Patterson , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Mr. Pudluk , Hon. John Todd , Mr. Whitford

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi . Good afternoon. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Morin .

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Minister's Statement 51-12(7): Northern Manufacturing Initiative

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to make a short statement today to update Members on the northern manufacturing initiative. This initiative was started by the Housing Corporation to create employment opportunities and to encourage the development of manufacturing businesses in the NWT.

Through this initiative, the Housing Corporation has broken down large material tender packages to encourage northern manufacturers to bid. In 1993-94, the corporation entered into multi-year contracts with northern firms to manufacture specific housing materials. In addition to these long-term contracts, the corporation has listed which materials must be manufactured in the NWT in their contracts.

The Housing Corporation spends approximately $17 million each year on construction materials. Although virtually all materials for corporation houses are purchased from northern suppliers, most of these products have been manufactured in the south.

---Applause

For the 1995-96 construction year we expect that figure to rise to over 25 per cent. This represents more than $4 million in expenditures going back into our northern economy.

The following housing materials are being manufactured in the Northwest Territories: windows; doors; kitchen and bathroom cabinets; fuel tanks and fuel tank stands; dimensional lumber; foundation screwjacks; roof trusses; tubs and tub surrounds; and, sewage and water tanks.

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Minister's Statement 51-12(7): Northern Manufacturing Initiative

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Morin . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Nerysoo .

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Minister's Statement 52-12(7): Transfer Of Sir John Franklin High School

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to announce that effective July 1st of this year, all government staff at Sir John Franklin High School in Yellowknife will be transferred to Yellowknife Education District No. 1.

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Minister's Statement 52-12(7): Transfer Of Sir John Franklin High School

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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An Hon. Member

Bravo.

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Minister's Statement 52-12(7): Transfer Of Sir John Franklin High School

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Agreements have been negotiated with the Northwest Territories Teachers' Association and the Union of Northern Workers.

In addition to the transfer of staff, procedures have been agreed upon for the transfer of the capital facilities.

Mr. Speaker, this transfer finally brings into reality the long standing vision of Education District No. 1 to have complete control of the public education system in Yellowknife from kindergarten through grade 12.

I would like to publicly recognize and thank the Northwest Territories Teachers' Association, the Union of Northern Workers and the staff and board of Yellowknife Education District No. 1 for their hard work and commitment to finalizing this agreement.

In addition, Mr. Speaker, I do want to thank my colleague, Mr. Pollard , and the staff in FMBS and the Department of Education for their work.

Mr. Speaker, there will be a ceremony to mark the transfer of these responsibilities to Yellowknife Education District No. 1 tomorrow at 12:30 p.m. at Sir John Franklin High School. I would like to invite all Members of this House to attend the ceremony. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 52-12(7): Transfer Of Sir John Franklin High School

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Nerysoo . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Morin .

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Return To Question 338-12(7): Status Of Economic Rents For GNWT Parking

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Allooloo on March 28, 1995, status of rents charged for GNWT parking.

The Department of Public Works and Services studied the cost and provision of parking spaces for government staff in Yellowknife. The charge to staff for a parking space reflects recovery of electrical, lot maintenance and lease costs. The user-pay principle is being followed. The rates are reviewed annually to reflect adjustments to costs. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Return To Question 338-12(7): Status Of Economic Rents For GNWT Parking

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Pollard .

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Return To Question 233-12(7): Summer Student Employment Program

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, good afternoon. Mr. Speaker, I have a return to a question asked by Mr. Allooloo on March 3, 1995. It concerns summer student employment program.

The government must also abide by collective agreement requirements on contracting out work. Employing students for government work through contracts with other agencies may constitute contracting out.

Mr. Speaker, the government is continuing to explore options to resolve this issue. Thank you.

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Return To Question 233-12(7): Summer Student Employment Program

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Are there any further returns? Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Ningark .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is a pleasure for me to recognize a very good friend of mine, SAO from Pelly Bay, Elwood Johnston who came to Pelly Bay for the Hamlet recovery of programs about two or three years ago. He recovered the financial situation within record time. Elwood Johnston.

---Applause

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Patterson .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

I don't recognize Mr. Ben McDonald of the UNW, he is not in his usual chair, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

---Laughter

---Applause

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Whitford .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize Jim Peterson. Mr. Peterson is the principal of the J-Group, a survival training unit, and also proprietor of Point Lake Outfitters, small game outfitting. Mr. Peterson.

---Applause

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Ms. Cournoyea .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I would like to have the House recognize the mayor of Tuktoyaktuk, Mr. Eddie Dillon.

---Applause

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Ballantyne .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Mr. Speaker, I request unanimous consent to return to Members' statements.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Member for Yellowknife North is requesting unanimous consent to return to item 3, Members' statement. Are there any nays?

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An Hon. Member

Agreed.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

There are no nays. Go ahead, Mr. Ballantyne .

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Negative Impact Of Low-water Surcharge

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I want to talk about the negative impact of the low-water surcharge on one of my constituents, Mr. Albert Wilson, and his wife Mary Wilson. Mr. Wilson is 74 years old, his wife Mary is 75 years old. Mr. Wilson is totally disabled. He has to use oxygen equipment 24 hours a day.

Before the low-water surcharge, the highest he ever paid in his small house was $162 for power. He has paid this month, $184.50 for power. The cost of using his oxygen system is $50 a month. I and others have asked this government for support to give Mr. Wilson some assistance for the use of his oxygen equipment. It hasn't been forthcoming; I will ask again, I will follow up on this issue.

But, Mr. Speaker, the issue here is that many of these increases are hitting the people least able to afford them. I really hope that this government takes into consideration there are people out there who cannot afford to pay these exorbitant increases in power rates and need some assistance for legitimate medical problems. I hope that the government, who supported the increase, and supported the low-water surcharge at the same time that they supported those increases will also look to giving the necessary support to those people who cannot afford these increases. Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Back to Mr. Patterson .

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Meeting Re Harbour Improvements In Iqaluit

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, two weeks ago, I attended a meeting with representatives from the town of Iqaluit and the Amarok HTA with government officials to discuss harbour improvements planned over the next three years in Iqaluit. I would like to take this opportunity to thank the Honourable John Todd , Minister of Transportation , for making...

---Applause

...two of his very capable officials who are engineers available to assist the community in discussing the various options that are before them. I was pleased that at that meeting it was announced by those officials that increased authority over these community works would be transferred to the region, so that the projects could be managed closer to home, as it were. I have every confidence in the regional superintendent of the Department of Transportation in the Baffin, Mr. Methusalah Kunuk and his staff. I welcome he and his officials being given more responsibility to oversee this very important work.

I would also like to give credit to Coast Guard Canada, whose acting director of northern operations, Mr. Ian Marr attended the meeting, along with one of his officials. Mr. Marr gave the community an indication of changes that have taken place in Coast Guard Canada. One of the changes that we welcome is that there is now a one-window approach for northern operations for the Coast Guard. So the various functions that have been split throughout Coast Guard Canada and throughout several regions will now be dealt with under Mr. Marr's office, which is welcome.

We also had some useful discussions with Coast Guard Canada about improving local employment and possibly obtaining a harbour master in Iqaluit and encouraging a local person to obtain those qualifications.

So it was a good meeting, Mr. Speaker. We look forward to close cooperation with local people and government officials to make this project a success. Thank you very much.

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Meeting Re Harbour Improvements In Iqaluit

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Whitford .

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Removal Of Fire Crews From NWT Airports

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. Mr. Speaker, I am raising a concern of constituents on an issue that hasn't yet affected Yellowknife, but if the desires of Transport Canada are fulfilled, it will. By April 1st in some of the communities in the north, they are going to be without firefighters at the airports. They are pulling the firefighters out of the communities like Hay River, Fort Smith, Fort Simpson, Resolute Bay and Inuvik. The main reason for that is a change in technology as well as a cost-reduction measure. This is, Mr.

Speaker, in many people's opinion, a dangerous move to make by Transport Canada. I know that we will be taking over these airports by a certain time and it is unfortunate that this is being done before we become more involved.

Many people feel that this is a bad and dangerous move that will result in the deaths or serious injuries of many people in the event of an air crash or a fire at an airport involving aircraft. It is probably one of the more dangerous places to be, given the numbers of planes in the area and the fuel in those areas. Like it or not, Mr. Speaker, it is a dangerous move to be making. It is like life insurance. You only need it once. You buy it for one reason and you only use it once.

If we ever need fire crews in an area and it is used once to save lives, then I think the money is well spent and we should take time to encourage the federal Transportation board to reconsider these moves. Certainly, when our government takes over the airports, I would encourage them to reconsider the removal of firefighters from airports. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Some Hon. Members

Hear, hear.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Antoine .

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Passing Of Fort Simpson Elder

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I would like to rise in the House and pay my respects to elders in our communities. I say this because on Monday, we buried one of our elders in Fort Simpson, Albert Horesay. He was 83 years old. He was a very much respected elder in our community. He has a large family and there are many people who came from very far to attend this man's funeral.

I just wanted to say that our elders are a treasure to us. They hold history for our people in the north. They also hold our languages. As we lose our elders, we also lose a little bit of our history and tradition. As a Dene person, everything is oral: our language; our history; our stories; and, our legends. I know the government has provided some funding programs to try to get people in communities to capture some of our oral history and legends. However, as each of our elders passes on, we lose a little bit more. For that, I just wanted to say that we have to do more to try to retain our culture and our language.

In Fort Simpson, I was pleased to find out that the band, through the resource management group, are trying to recapture a lot of the oral history and traditional knowledge that exists there. In all the other communities, there is a lot of knowledge about the land, the history and how the north has evolved from the perspective of the Dene. I would just like to say that it is a little bit that the government is doing to help the people and I really appreciate that.

(Translation) One of our elders has died. Many people went there and prayed for him. We depend on them. We have to try to preserve our languages and our traditional way of living. Mr. Speaker, the time has run out for me.

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Passing Of Fort Simpson Elder

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

(Translation) Jim wants more time. Are there any nays? Continue, Mr. Antoine .

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Passing Of Fort Simpson Elder

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

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Passing Of Fort Simpson Elder

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Antoine . I also would like to apologize for using your first name rather than your last. Item 3, Members' statements. Mrs. Marie-Jewell .

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GNWT's Use Of Employees' Airline Travel Points

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this government and Legislative Assembly spends millions of dollars on travel, whether it's travel used for vacation travel allowance, medical travel or duty travel.

Mr. Speaker, the airline tickets purchased by this government allow for the ticket-holders to take advantage of receiving Canadian Plus points through Canadian Airlines, or Aeroplan points through Air Canada.

Mr. Speaker, currently, the federal government does not allow for such a perk, and many other governments across the country refrain from allowing individuals to take advantage of the access to travel points. Mr. Speaker, however, the federal government, I understand, allows each department to obtain a corporate card for their holder on behalf of the appropriate department which these funds come out of. Therefore, if points are claimed, they go back to the appropriate department. The theory is that when the department has enough points on their corporate account, they can save funds and obtain a ticket for purposes of duty travel which then results in a saving of spending unnecessary funds.

Mr. Speaker, this makes good fiscal and responsible financial spending on the federal government's part. However, the practice is not considered by our current government and a policy at this time is not even being developed; although, Mr. Speaker, I think it is time for this government to consider development of such a policy and also this Legislative Assembly. Mr. Speaker, we are at a time where our fiscal dollars must be used in the most efficient manner and this will result in a phenomenal savings which will be achieved by departments if a policy were developed to allow for creation of a corporate departmental account for travel purposes.

Mr. Speaker, I intend to bring forth a motion to address this issue so each department would be allowed to create a corporate departmental account for travel purposes which would be used as a measure for saving dollars for our government overall. Thank you.

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GNWT's Use Of Employees' Airline Travel Points

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Page 680

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mrs. Marie-Jewell . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Pudlat .

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Construction Of Sanikiluaq Community Centre

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Page 680

Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a concern about the community centre in Sanikiluaq. As you are probably aware, the centre is currently shut down. We understand that it was over budget and was not able to be completed. I understand they are doing an investigation or a survey to see if they can continue construction of the centre. During oral question period, I will be posing a question to the Minister about the community centre in Sanikiluaq. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Construction Of Sanikiluaq Community Centre

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Page 680

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Pudluk .

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Confusion Between Mr. Pudlat And Mr. Pudluk

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Page 680

Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

(Translation) This issue I am about to raise is not a new one. It regards the error of the spelling of my last name and it concerns correspondence from communities. This error has occurred a number of times now. Due to the misspelling of my last name, I receive mail that doesn't belong to me. Recently, I received a letter from the government that did not come from my constituency whatsoever, it came from another MLA's constituency, but it was delivered to me.

In situations like this, the Executive Council should take note when signing their letters and check the addresses. My fellow colleague received confidential mail which was inadvertently directed to myself. This could be of a confidential nature and I'm not interested in finding out about his personal or confidential correspondence. The Executive Council and the government should be more cautious and I urge them to be more cautious to ensure that errors of this nature do not continue because I've been receiving mail that does not belong to me, although they are addressed to myself.

I inadvertently read this mail and the constituency's concerns weren't addressed to myself in which case they shouldn't have been given to me.

People might forget who I am and where I'm from and who I represent. Maybe people in the government are forgetting which riding I represent, so this is my reminder, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Page 680

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Member's Statement Paying Tribute To Susan Aglukark

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Page 681

Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise in the House today to bring greetings from the Northwest Territories winner of two Juno awards, Susan Aglukark.

---Applause

Susan asked that I convey to the House her comments on winning two Juno awards on March 26th. She stated to me, "I am honoured to have received such distinguished awards, not only for myself but for the people of the Northwest Territories."

Mr. Speaker, Susan is only 28 years old. Although she lived throughout the Northwest Territories for the first 12 years of her life as her father is a Pentecostal minister, her family eventually settled in Arviat, Northwest Territories. After completing high school, Susan was employed as an interpreter with DIAND and then as an executive assistant for the Inuit Tapirisat of Canada.

It has been only three short years since Susan Aglukark gave her first, live public performance at a festival in her home town of Arviat. Since then, Susan has recorded several tapes and CDs. She has appeared on a half a dozen prime time television shows and she has starred in music videos. Canada's media has highlighted her fast-rising career. Susan has had the opportunity to entertain Her Royal Highness, Queen Elizabeth, on two occasions, as well as Prime Ministers Mulroney and Chretien.

This week, Susan added two Juno awards to her ever-growing award collection which includes the first ever aboriginal achievement award in the arts and entertainment field, and the Canadian Country Music Association's Vista Rising Star award.

Susan Aglukark is known both for the quality of her talent and the wholesome values and lifestyle she exhibits. Her example is in sharp contrast to those of other entertainers. The youth of the Northwest Territories need this kind of role model to look up to and to emulate.

In closing, Mr. Speaker, I would like to wish Susan every future success and to note that her success as an NWT Inuit youth should be celebrated by all of us. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Page 681

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Before we go back to oral questions, I wanted to say that when it came to item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery, Mr. Patterson was out of order when he said that a certain individual wasn't in the gallery. So I just wanted to say that for the record. And perhaps maybe the individual wasn't in the gallery for that reason. I want to remind the Members that we do have rules here for a reason, and to follow them. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Ningark .

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Question 343-12(7): Clarification Re Funding Options For Pelly Bay School Gymnasium

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 681

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, on Monday, March 27, 1995, I directed a question to the honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment and he responded to me, and I quote from the unedited Hansard: "There are a number of options we're looking at." Mr. Speaker, I should have made a supplementary question on this matter but at this point in time, I would like to ask the Minister, what are the options they are looking at? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 681

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Nerysoo .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 681

Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you. We have to review whether or not there are enough resources available under the infrastructure program, whether there was another option to use present capital resources, or the possibility of finding anyone who could provide the additional financial resources. I want to advise the honourable Member that the community he is referring to has used all of their infrastructure program dollars except for $592. I think what we need to do now is reflect on how we can access, if possible, future resources that might be used for this purpose.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 681

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Ningark .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 681

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Kitikmeot board of education wants the gymnasium attachment to the Pelly Bay school. The community education council of the hamlet of Pelly Bay wants the gymnasium attachment and the hamlet council wants it too. This is something that all parties have been trying to request of the government. My supplementary question to the honourable Minister is, when will the honourable Minister assure the Kitikmeot board of education, the hamlet council of Pelly Bay and the community education council when he will be able to help the community build the much needed infrastructure? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Nerysoo .

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Page 681

Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I can't advise the honourable Member that I'm going to do it immediately. I think what we can do, at least on an interim basis, is to ensure it is part of the capital planning process for this upcoming year and part of the discussions we hold with the Kitikmeot region. Whether or not the community of Pelly Bay is serious about this will affect whether we will allocate the infrastructure dollars that might be available for this purpose. The fact is, they used last year's capital dollars to add an extension to the hamlet office, I believe.

In that sense, I hope we can ensure the municipality and hamlet take their position seriously and we'll certainly try to work with them to find a way to address this matter.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Pudlat .

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Question 344-12(7): Status Of Sanikiluaq Community Hall Project

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 682

Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rose today under Members' statements to indicate that I will be addressing to the appropriate Minister questions about the Sanikiluaq community centre, which is now too expensive and has been closed. This centre is needed. Mr. Speaker, I would like to direct a question to the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs. There was supposed to be an inspection done in the community on what needs to be fixed regarding the community hall. I would like the Minister to tell me the status of the project. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 682

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, Mr. Ng .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 682

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe the Member is referring to the existing community hall, if I'm correct. I understand the community hall is substandard and undersized in its current state. I, at this time, don't know whether an inspection has been done on that particular facility but I will have the appropriate staff from my department or ask the Public Works and Services staff to check into the matter and get back to the Member on that. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Patterson .

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Question 345-12(7): Transport Canada Review Of Emergency Response Systems

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 682

Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Transportation . Mr. Speaker, I understand that Transport Canada is in the process of considering changes to the criteria for emergency response services, principally firefighting, for airports in Canada and that, particularly, they are considering factoring in requiring a minimum number of passenger movements per year before an ERS capability is funded. The present criteria simply requires so many movements of aircraft; 39 metres or longer per day.

The new requirement would look at passenger volume, which would discriminate against airports like the one in my constituency which has the aircraft volume but not necessarily the same passenger volume as larger centres with fuller planes.

I would like to ask the Minister if he is aware of this review of the ERS criteria under way in Transport Canada. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister of Transportation , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I am aware of the review that is taking place. In fact, if my memory serves me correctly, the changes that Mr. Patterson is alluding to are in the process now of being implemented, effective September/October of 1995. We are, however, working closely with Transport Canada through the negotiation of the Arctic airports -- and that is primarily what Mr. Patterson is talking about -- to secure a reasonable level of emergency response services. That's still under discussion. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Patterson .

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Let me answer the question this way: the regulations, as they relate to the old policy, are being reviewed, as I said, with the transfer and is being driven by the federal government. I'm optimistic that in the base funding arrangement, we will be able to, hopefully, ensure the ERS services that are currently provided at the Iqaluit airport remain. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Patterson .

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm pleased to have these assurances. I'd like to ask the Minister how we might be informed of the progress of discussions on this very critical issue. I'm thinking of people who work in the ERS services at the moment who are wondering about their futures, I'm thinking about concerns from communities of the kind Mr. Whitford mentioned. How are we going to be kept informed as to what's going on? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe I said I was optimistic. I wouldn't want to be too definitive because negotiations are currently under way. We've concluded the basic framework for a transfer. We're now working out the finer details. And I do respect the honourable Member's concern and his constituency's concern; it's the same as the other six or seven or eight Arctic airports that are going to be transferred.

I believe I did say earlier on in this session or the session before that I don't know whether it was just good luck or good management that we've been able to get the kinds of resources that we're getting in this transfer, because I think if we started it today we wouldn't get those resources because there have been new initiatives taken by the feds to cut back.

I'm not trying to evade the question, all I'm saying is we're currently negotiating it. We're trying to get to the details.

Obviously, we want to protect the current level of services -- and I've said that publicly -- and ERS is part of the quality of service that we provide to Arctic A airports. The only thing I could do to assure the honourable Member is to advise him on an individual basis or through the House as to the progress of the negotiations. I'm optimistic, as I said, that we will be able to find the baseline funding to maintain the current level of services that we're providing in those Arctic A airports. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Patterson .

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm happy with that undertaking. Maybe I could just ask the Minister since this is a matter of pressing concern, would the Minister undertake to provide the House with a detailed status report, particularly on the ERS issue, before this House recesses in the current session. Thank you.

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Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

(Microphone turned off)...provide the information we have. I should clarify where we currently sit. If my memory serves me correctly, the regulations or the criteria for an ERS are currently under review. Originally, it was driven by the federal government, we're not involved in it.

Transport Canada, who are reviewing these regulations because of the desire on their part to cut costs, is in a bit of a difference of opinion with the industry. So it's still in a state of flux. I could provide the honourable Member, to the best of my ability, what we have right now. But we're far from the final stage of settling what the criteria is for the kind of services that are required in Arctic A airports. I don't know if that answered his question, but that's kind of where we're at right now. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Pudluk .

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Question 346-12(7): Concern Re Reduction Of Teaching Positions In Nanisivik

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 683

Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is directed to the Minister of Education . There's a large concern at the Nanisivik Education Council because they have been informed that they currently have too many teachers in that community and the number of students have been reduced. They are aware that in the new fiscal year the number of students will be increasing. Is the Minister having discussions with the divisional board of education in the Baffin region to address the concerns of the Nanisivik Education Council regarding the future of the number of positions for teachers in that community? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just for the information of the honourable Member, I have been advised of the issue. There was a letter sent to me with regard to this particular matter. However, the responsibility of assigning teachers rests with the divisional board of education. I will apprise them of the concern the honourable Member is raising, but as a department we do not get involved in the assignment of teachers in terms of the location or the numbers in communities. That is strictly done by the board and the representatives on that particular board. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is a supplementary to my question. How are you going to respond to the letter you say that you have received regarding the concerns that are being raised in Nanisivik? Will you just pass it on to the Baffin Divisional Board of Education, or are you going to give a response directly to the local education council in Nanisivik. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. What I will do is respond advising the CEC of the present responsibilities the department holds in terms of me, as Minister; and, secondly, the responsibilities that are held by the board. This Assembly and previous Minister, including myself, have tried to move away from the day-to-day business operational affairs of schools and have tried to put it in the hands of the communities. I think the debate that the honourable Member is raising is one that should occur within the divisional board and the arguments put forward because, in my view, it's the responsibility of the board to make the final determinations.

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Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Ballantyne .

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Question 347-12(7): Status Of Trans-boundary Water Agreements

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Renewable Resources . Mr. Speaker, it wasn't that long ago that the whole issue of waters flowing into the Northwest Territories from Alberta was a big environmental issue facing us all. We spent a lot of time and a lot of effort worrying about Daishowa and worrying about pulp mills being built in Alberta and the effect that that would have on our water basin here in the Northwest Territories. It seems that that environmental issue is no longer on the front pages. People seem to be concerned about diamonds today and they don't really have time to deal with more than one issue, perhaps.

What has actually happened with the trans-boundary water agreements? I'll ask that first. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you. Minister of Renewable Resources , Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Mackenzie River Basin master agreement, which I believe the Member is referring to, came to my office as an agreement which would be signed by all jurisdictions affected by the Mackenzie River. I had passed on the agreement to some of the Members who had raised concerns about it, and asked for their opinion. I received positive remarks on the agreement. I also wrote to the chief of the Dene national office, Mr. Erasmus. And on August 11, 1994, I signed the master agreement and passed it on back to the Minister of Indian and Northern Affairs.

I haven't heard anything more recently from the Minister, but I'm willing to find out exactly where that stands. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you. When the Minister receives that information, I'm sure Members in this House would like to hear the ultimate disposition of this matter.

My supplementary question to the Minister; as part and parcel of the issue of effluents in the Mackenzie River system, there was a commitment by the federal government, I believe that our government was involved, to have a fairly comprehensive monitoring system put into place. I wonder if the Minister could inform this House as to what are the results of that monitoring.

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The responsibility of water quality monitoring still lies with the three federal departments: Indian and Northern Affairs, Environment Canada; and, Fisheries and Oceans. I believe they are still monitoring the quality of water within our jurisdiction in the Northwest Territories. I have not received a recent update about the quality of water in the Northwest Territories, but I will find out and get back to the Member. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Premier . Mr. Speaker, yesterday I asked the Minister of Justice a question about the principles of justice agreement for crime victims. I was very surprised when he responded to me and I quote from page 1544 of unedited Hansard, he noted that we have lots of principles that we believe in, "Members know that we are all committed 100 per cent to the principle of aboriginal languages and we have, after years of wrangling on it, decided to put it to legislation, making financial commitments. Even those principles are being eroded at this time by the federal government reducing their financial commitments to them."

Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Premier , is this, in fact, the case that the principles enshrined in our official languages legislation are being eroded, they are not being honoured by this government.

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Madam Premier .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I believe that as the limited financial resources are available, many of the programs and services that we would like to take

part in, we may not be able to do. However, to the best of our ability, with the resources that we have from the language agreement as well as other resources that we put toward language development and enhancement, what we are attempting to do is to make sure that those dollars work in a way so as not to erode the principles that we ascribe to. Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A supplementary just for the record and to be very clear, will the Minister confirm that we are intending in the next year to live up to the legal requirements of the Official Languages Act.

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Madam Premier .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, most definitely.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A supplementary to the same Minister. In the Minister of Justice's reply yesterday he further went on to say that: "All commitments made by this government will have to be reviewed because I do not believe that we can live up to all the principles that we have laid before ourselves."

Can the Premier tell us what process will be undertaken to review these principles that we may not be able to live up to.

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I was listening to the reply of the honourable Member yesterday. Maybe because we are more closely involved in discussions on how we can carry out the responsibilities of this government...I didn't take it to mean as definitively that we would be eroding the principles. But at the same time, I can understand that while we are trying to assess what is possible to be done, there are limitations on some of the areas. We may not be able to meet those requests in terms of the legal requirements; but we are compelled to meet the legal requirements.

And what we are trying to do is to try to be as fair as possible with the funds that are available under the new agreement and also to set some priorities collectively so that we can make sure what we do have, works in the best interest of priorities that are set by this Legislative Assembly. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have to admit that I am somewhat troubled to find out the way I did that commitments by this government are all up for review. The Premier just made it sound like that may be the case. But for certainty's sake, I would like to specifically ask the Premier , in his response yesterday, was Mr. Kakfwi speaking on behalf of the government when he responded and said that all commitments by this government were under review?

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, as a Cabinet, when a Cabinet Minister speaks it is assumed that discussions have taken place and it is a Cabinet statement. However, I am listening to a certain part of the Member's reference to statements made yesterday and I will confer with the Minister responsible and see if we can give the Member some assurance that the statement was clear and concise in terms of the obligations that we have. Thank you.

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Question 349-12(7): Additional Support To Baffin Transportation Department

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Transportation . Mr. Speaker, the Minister has been a champion within the Cabinet of devolving authority to the regions and I have sung his praises in this House many times on that subject. I would like to ask him, now that his department is about to obtain responsibility for two major airports in the Baffin region, in Iqaluit and Resolute Bay, will there be additional support to the regional Department of Transportation in the Baffin now that they are taking on these major additional responsibilities for these two major airports? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Transportation , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In keeping with our regional thrust in Mr. Patterson 's area as well as others, there is an overall plan to increase the technical where withal in each of these regional offices so that it will be more autonomous from the centre. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

I am pleased to hear about this, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister when might we get details of this plan. Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am hopefully going to be in the position later next week to have an overall plan as it relates to increasing the required services in regional offices, both east and west, in preparation for the orderly transfer towards the division of the territories. And at that time, I should be able to share that strategic plan with the honourable Member and this House, if they so wish. Thank you.

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister of Finance , who is responsible for relations with the Union of Northern Workers, why the Union of Northern Workers has a representative monitoring the proceedings of this Assembly, particularly question period, on a daily basis? Thank you.

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Minister of Finance , Mr. Pollard .

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John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I believe the Union of Northern Workers is exercising its right as an organization, and their representative is exercising his or her right to sit in the audience and listen to us talk. God knows, we need the audience, Mr. Speaker, thank you.

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Question 351-12(7): Strategy Re Monitoring Air Quality

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

I have a question for the Minister of Renewable Resources . Mr. Speaker, over the last number of years, many Members of this House have expressed concern about probably the deadliest environmental threat that we're facing in the Northwest Territories; that is caused by airborne pollutants from the old Soviet Union and other places in the world. We have in our sea mammals levels of toxins six to seven times the acceptable rate. This has been a concern expressed by many Members in this House. My question to the Minister is, what is the strategy being pursued by this government in dealing with this very serious and insidious problem?

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. At the present time, the only air quality monitoring that has taken place has been here in the city of Yellowknife. The amount of equipment that is required to monitor air quality has not allowed it to expand much further than addressing the concerns raised by residents of the city in terms of the quality of air surrounding Yellowknife. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Mr. Speaker, here in this Assembly we've been given the results of alarming studies where toxins in mothers' milk in some areas of the eastern Arctic is many times the acceptable norm and where sea mammals haven't been nearly as healthy as they should have been. There is a lot of concern and a lot of documentation about it. I'm not talking about what monitoring is being done right now. I assume that the situation is being monitored. What I'm asking is what is the government doing about the facts that we already know. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'll have to take that question as notice. Thank you.

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Question 352-12(7): Td Re Fort Smith Aircraft Maintenance Facility Chronology

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We didn't run out of questions. I have a question here for the Premier . Mr. Speaker, some time ago, the Premier tabled Tabled Document 40-12(7), History of the GNWT's Decision With Regard to the Fort Smith Aircraft Maintenance Facility and the Communications with Fort Smith. In that document, there appeared to be documents missing, as Mr. Pollard indicated in the House. They were going to review this and possibly table additional information. I would like to ask the Premier whether or not she's considering tabling additional information which should have been in Tabled Document 40-12(7). Thank you.

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Madam Premier .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Yes, Mr. Speaker. We have looked at the document to make sure it contained all the relevant information. We also looked at stamped correspondence that was not originally signed. A document will be tabled by the Honourable Don Morin today at the appropriate time. Thank you.

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Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Antoine .

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Question 353-12(7): Health Care Billings Agreement With Federal Government

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Health and Social Services about the announcement that the Minister made yesterday with regard to the federal/territorial health care billings dispute. Mr. Speaker, over the last three years plus of this Assembly, I have been pursuing this issue in the House to see how it was going. This announcement has become public and I've been aware of the developments of this for some time. The concern here is with regard to the health services to be provided to the aboriginal people; mainly treaty, Dene and Inuit people.

In 1988 when administration of health services was transferred to the territorial government from the federal government, people in my constituency were concerned about it. As a result, we have an unresolved situation of no health boards in my area which I think is beneficial to the government in that we're not spending that much money in the health board administration area.

The Minister said at the conclusion of the third or fourth year, the escalated amount will be added to the gross expenditure base of the territorial government and increased thereafter under the terms of the formula financing agreement. What this agreement does is roll the $33.5 million and the six, three, three percentage increases from the first, second and third years into the formula agreement. Later on, the Minister stated that the terms cannot be interpreted to prejudice treaty and aboriginal rights or future self-government arrangements. How can that be if you're going to be rolling the funding for treaty Indians and Inuit into the base after the fourth year? Thank you.

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John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, with regard to the rolling of funds into the base, already there is the base funding for aboriginal health care in the Northwest Territories. We're not setting a precedent by rolling it into the base. Specifically

in the agreement the Premier signed, it says that this won't prejudice self-government arrangements that may come into force, that may be negotiated, treaty rights, land claim rights or any other rights that aboriginal people feel they have. It doesn't comment on the fiduciary responsibility either, Mr. Speaker, so we believe that we've kept it contractual and have not gotten into those areas so as to prejudice some claim. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Supplementary to the same Minister, I guess, the Minister of Finance . This agreement is quite a step in taking over all health care services for everybody. If you're going to roll it into the base eventually, there's no identification for treaty Indians and Inuit in it. The original agreement of 1988 was that the territorial government would administer health services programs for treaty Indians and Inuit. So, there, it is separately identified. In other jurisdictions, the aboriginal groups are looking after those services themselves.

But in this case, this territorial government is administering the programs and services to treaty Indians and Inuit people. But if you roll it into the base, then what sort of protection do they have so they'll have the types of guarantees for program services and health that are in treaties and aboriginal agreements with these aboriginal groups? Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Throughout this whole process, Mr. Speaker, I've had a lot of concern that communication with the people who will be directly affected by this arrangement might cause some problems. Whenever there's a big change, such as this arrangement that the territorial and federal governments have come to, it's going to raise a lot of concerns and it may also create some problems. I've been asking the government if they were communicating with the aboriginal groups that are going to be affected.

I would like to ask the Minister if the government has been communicating throughout this whole process with the aboriginal groups that are going to be affected by this arrangement. I'll leave it at that, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, when we started out with this problem, we did involve a number of aboriginal groups across the country and also in the Northwest Territories in getting their advice and assuring them that when we did eventually go to court, that we would not be addressing the issue of fiduciary responsibility. There has been communication between myself and the groups over the years -- and it is years now, I think three years, Mr. Speaker. Finally, as we committed to do, there was discussion last week on Thursday and Friday between the Premier , mostly, the eastern health boards.

Then there was the NIC, Nunavut Tunngavik, Inuit Tapirisat of Canada, Pauktuutit, Nunatsiaq Member of Parliament, the Inuvialuit Regional Council, the Gwich'in Tribal Council, Sahtu Tribal Council, the Deh Cho Tribal Council, Dogrib Tribal Council, Treaty 8 First Nations, the NWT Native Women's Association, Metis Nation, the Dene Nation and the Western Arctic Member of Parliament. And I did the western health boards on Monday. So they were all made aware of what was in this agreement and our intention to go ahead and sign it. I'm not aware that there were any problems, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would just like to ask the Minister about the last paragraph in the statement from yesterday where it was stated that "even though the package calls for increased federal contributions for the next three years, measures will be required to make the best possible use of resources available, particularly in the view of the future federal cutbacks to territorial transfer payments." We all know that we've been cut back $8 million this year and we're going to be cut back $50 million next year. So what does this statement mean in light of these cutbacks? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think that's merely being responsible and saying to people in the Northwest Territories that health care costs have been rising dramatically over the last few years. Health care costs across Canada have been rising dramatically, and other jurisdictions have taken certain measures to curtail those costs. I think what we're recognizing in the Northwest Territories, Mr. Speaker, is that we too have that same problem. There's a great demand on the system, an increasing demand on the system. And the dollars, whether they come from Ottawa or whether they come

from our own resources, are shrinking and we're going to have to be careful with those particular dollars. I think that was what the Premier was meaning. That regardless of the agreement with Ottawa, there's always a problem when there's clamouring for dollars in a particular area. In this instance, it's health. And we're just going to have to be prudent with our dollars, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Health . We have a Health department because the focus is on the health of our people. We don't call it the "Department of Sickness." So I would like to ask the Minister whether we know how healthy our population is compared to people who live in other parts of Canada. Do we have that kind of information?

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, the information about the state of wellness in our communities is a project that we've spent a great deal of time on in the last couple of years to try to determine just what the state of health of our residents is. We do have it in quite a bit of detail, and if Members are interested we could make a presentation on the numbers and the various categories of illnesses and where the population stands on each. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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