Debates of Oct. 15th, 1996

This is page numbers 1119 - 1166 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was community .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Northwest Territories Crime Stoppers Award

Concerns Regarding The Pangnirtung Air Strip

Minister's Literacy Award Recipient Nunia Qanatsiaq

GNWT Budget Reduction Program

Poor Housing Conditions

Strategies To Promote Job Creation

Planning For Division

GNWT Protected Area Strategy

Fort Smith's 30th Anniversary Since Achieving Town Status

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Revenue From Payroll Tax

Allegations By The Union Of Northern Workers

Broughton Island Air Strip

Privatization Of Trail Cross Facility

Reduced Housing Construction And Funding

Equity And Fairness Of Capital

Further To Question 487-13(3): Equity And Fairness Of Capital Funding

Sole-sourced And Negotiated Contracts

Participants Developing The Protected Area Strategy

Recognition Of Outpost Camps As Communities

Reductions To Emergency Measures Funding

Funding Available Under The Rural And Remote Housing Program

Summer Student Wage Rates

Outlook For Future Budget Reductions

Implementation Of The Interim Manufacturing Directive

Committee Report 7-13(3): Report On The 1996-97 Mid-year Review

Committee Report 8-13(3): Report On The 1996-97 Mid-year Review

Committee Report 9-13(3): Report On The 1996-97 Mid-year Review

Committee Report 10-13(3): Report On The 1996-97 Mid-year Review

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Item 16: Motions

Item 17: First Reading Of Bills

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 20: Reports Of The Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Hon. James Antoine, Hon. Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Hon. Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Hon. Samuel Gargan , Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Hon. Manitok Thompson , Hon. John Todd .

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-- Prayer

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Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Ministers' statements. Mr. Ng .

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Minister's Statement 112-13(3): Northwest Territories Crime Stoppers Award

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 1119

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Northwest Territories Crime Stoppers Association is an incorporated non-profit society with registered charitable status. The association is run by a board of unpaid volunteered directors to assist law enforcement, in particular, the RCMP in the Northwest Territories, to protect and prevent crime.

One of the principle methods of doing so is to publicly solicit and reward anonymous tips, which lead to the arrests of offenders, and often, the recovery of property and seizure of contraband.

The Royal Canadian Mounted Police provide the services of members to act in an advisory capacity, Crimestoppers solicits it's funding from private individuals, businesses and service organizations, without whose support the program would not be possible. Presently the Northwest Territories Crimestoppers Association has active programs in Iqaluit and Yellowknife and would welcome the participation of other communities in the Territories.

It has recently posted a substantial reward of $10,000 for information regarding the disappearance of Charlene Catholique. On July of 1990, Charlene Catholique, then 15 years old and a resident of Lutselk'e arrived in Yellowknife to attend the Dene Assembly in Dettah. While she was in Yellowknife, she travelled to Fort Rae to visit with friends. Charlene was reported missing having last been seen in Fort Rae on or around July 22, 1990. She has not been located to date, and the police feel the clues which will identify the person or persons responsible for Charlene's disappearance will be found in the community of Fort Rae.

The police are grateful for the cooperation and care exhibited by the people of Fort Rae to date, but are hopeful the sizable Crimestoppers reward will spur someone on to reveal some clue previously omitted. Due to the efforts of R.C.M.P. Staff Sergeant, Vern White, who has recently been transferred to another jurisdiction, and the volunteer members of the Board of Directors, the N.W.T. Crimestoppers Association has just been awarded an award for most improved Crimestoppers unit in North America, for 1995.

This is indeed a notable accomplishment. 1996 promises to be as successful as 1995, as of June of this year, there were 117 anonymous tips and 9 reward payments totalling $3,825, leading to 22 arrests, recovery of $16,375 in property and the seizure of $85,520 in drugs. Mr. Speaker, I am sure that all members will join me in congratulating the Northwest Territories Crimestoppers Association and thanking them for their contribution. Thank you Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 112-13(3): Northwest Territories Crime Stoppers Award

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ng . Ministers' Statement, Member's Statement, Mr. Enuaraq .

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Concerns Regarding The Pangnirtung Air Strip

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to outline a problem that I see becoming larger and more serious. My constituency in the Community of Pangnirtung are worried about the future of their airstrip, and the air service. Mr. Speaker, anyone who has travelled to Pangnirtung knows that the airstrip is now in the middle of the town, right beside the main school. This town is growing, Mr. Speaker. It is the second largest town in the Baffin region. There are rules that 740 type aircraft may no longer be able to serve the town because of this airstrip and it's location.

This is a growing town and great potential for business development. It is the centre for major arts and crafts business. A major tourism destination because it is the entrance to Auyuittuq National Park. It is also the centre of growing commercial fisheries in the Baffin region.

All of these positive elements in the community depend on the air services. The future economic growth of this community is closely tied to the airstrip. To relocate the airstrip is a major project in my community. In Pangnirtung with it's narrow land space and high cliffs, it will be a great challenge, but the work must begin now, the planning of location, the planning of facilities and, of course, the planning of the funds necessary for such a project. It might be easy for some people to say wait for Nunavut, they can pay for that, but, Mr.

Speaker we all know that these projects take a long time and we must start now. I will be working closely with the people of Pangnirtung and the Minister of Transportation in an effort to get this project started to the community to continue to grow. Thank you.

(Native Language speaker)

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Concerns Regarding The Pangnirtung Air Strip

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

I thought it was today, that we had Slavey translation but perhaps maybe there was not so, I just wanted to recognize the member for the Western Arctic, our MP Miss Ethel Blondin-Andrew, welcome to the Assembly.

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Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Member's Statement, Mr. Picco .

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Minister's Literacy Award Recipient Nunia Qanatsiaq

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate a constituent and long time family friend, Nunia Qanatsiaq, for her recent Minister's Literacy Award. Nunia is a single mom who began teaching as a classroom assistant in Hall Beach, during the mid '80s. She began taking Eastern Arctic Teaching Education Courses at Retap in 1989. She began working full time in the school, raising her two children, Jonah and Daryl. Nunia completed her Teaching Certificate and recently graduated with her Bachelor of Education from McGill University in Montreal.

Nunia was the editor of the Arctic College student newspaper while attending the campus in Iqaluit and was involved with many after-school curricular activities. This mother is now helping to develop Inuktitut resource material while teaching at the college in Iqaluit. She also finds time to visit my wife and I on a regular basis to give lessons in Scrabble, which Nunia and my wife usually win.

I have known Nunia since she was 14 years old. I would like to congratulate this dedicated educator, mother and friend, for her work promoting Inuktitut literacy and her drive and determination through very trying times to complete her Bachelor of Education degree and the recent winning of the Minister's Literacy Award. I look forward to presenting the award in person to Nunia at the end of the month in Iqaluit when I return at the end of the session and standing committee meetings. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Picco . Members' statements, Mr. O'Brien .

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GNWT Budget Reduction Program

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My statement today is regarding my favourite topic, this government's budget reduction program.

Mr. Speaker, this past Thanksgiving weekend provided me with the opportunity to do some visiting in the Yellowknife area. Almost every person that I spoke to had serious reservations with this government's slash and burn approach to the territorial budget. Mr. Speaker, I was saddened by the contrast of people trying to celebrate Thanksgiving while they wrestle with despair and low morale created by being, or knowing, a government employee who wondered if they were getting a pink slip or a pay cheque for Christmas.

Mr. Speaker, I was beginning to feel like a lone wolf regarding my recent statements in this House relating to job losses and reductions to this government's programs and services.

As we all know, misery loves company. So I decided to contact some Northerners from both the East and the Western Arctic. I talked to Aboriginal, and non-Aboriginal people, employees of this government, whose names I cannot mention, and some who were unemployed. Mr. Speaker, during my conversation, I asked each person's view of this government's cutback policy. A

summary of their views, is that most Northerners realize that there must be cuts, as a result of the questionable spending of previous governments.

But the question that surfaced, was, what are these cuts, and what are the costs of these cuts? Mr. Speaker, the business people I spoke to said although they originally agreed to the cost cutting exercise at first, they no longer could support this policy. The general consensus was that these cuts are out of control, and this government is acting more like a bank as opposed to a government concerned about it's people.

Mr. Speaker, generally people do not understand this governments paranoia with carrying a larger and extended debt, as long as it is consistently and responsibly reduced, within a reasonable time frame. If our circumstances, of course were different, it would be easier to tolerate these serious cuts. However, given the fact that very few jobs have been created, and in fact to date that we do not even have a job strategy in place. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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GNWT Budget Reduction Program

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Member for Kivalliviq is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement, are there any nays? We have no nays. Mr. O'Brien .

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GNWT Budget Reduction Program

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. However, given the fact that there have been very few jobs created and in fact that we do not even have, to date, a job strategy in place. We have to consider all that facts. In most communities we have the highest unemployment rates in Canada, we also have the lowest number of high school graduates, we have the highest birth rates in the country and live in one of the harshest climates in the world.

He should also remind the federal Minister of Finance that the NWT cannot withstand these cuts as we are not equivalent to provinces like Ontario, Quebec and Alberta. Mr. Speaker, I close with these words, that were spoken to me this weekend by a constituent of mine.

The Premier and his Cabinet do not seem to be listening to the concerns of the public, they have written their own agenda and they are racing ahead at all costs. We did not vote these people in to hurt us, we voted them in to help us. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. O'Brien . Members' statements, Mr. Barnabas .

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Poor Housing Conditions

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

(through a translator) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (end translator.) ..especially in the north. Housing is critical to survive even in the '90s. There are still very long winters and the wind still blows. Our people have all learned to make their own homes to survive in conditions that no-one else on earth can still believe. Now we have benefitted from modern houses designed in the south, mostly built by southerners and until three years ago, often badly designed and badly built.

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Poor Housing Conditions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The member for the High Arctic is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? We have no nays, You have unanimous consent Mr. Barnabas .

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Poor Housing Conditions

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

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Poor Housing Conditions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Barnabas . Members' statements, Mr. Krutko .

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Strategies To Promote Job Creation

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The government is committed to assist in the development of those sectors of the economy that provide new businesses, employment opportunities to our communities. Many of those opportunities are going to be community driven in the area that our people do well. Block funding, turning over of funds, program dollars, administration dollars, capital dollars will be transferred over to our communities as well as infrastructure, buildings and the question of ownership. This will give our elected community leaders exactly what they want - the opportunity to set priorities over programs and services, property management, capital projects delivered in their home communities.

Government has to serve the people, not itself. This means that the government will be making sure that Aboriginal rights - treaty rights - and Aboriginal concerns and views are taken into account in the planning process and decisions. Partnerships in operating health and education boards will go to the community level under community empowerment initiatives. Is this a priority of the government and this Assembly to work towards healthy communities and community based problem solving by continuing the community wellness initiative?

Instead of three or four government assisted organizations helping people at the community level there would be a single more cost-effective agency, like that of the Tl'oondih Healing Society that can serve as a centre for community wellness initiatives within our communities. Our communities will be able to use block funding from the government to set our priorities, programs, such as education, health services, social services, social assistance, employment and training, community justice and other initiatives.

Healthy communities are needed to take advantage of job opportunities that will be created through privatization and by seizing the economic development opportunities. Mr Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude by statement.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The member for Mackenzie Delta is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. You have unanimous consent, Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you Mr. Speaker. We are preparing to deal with change, and change won't manage us, we will manage it. It is our right and we as leaders represent our constituencies, have the obligation to see that this government carries through with those commitments, and they have stated the change will be coming and the communities will have the opportunity to empower themselves. At a later date I will be asking the appropriate Minister a question on community empowerment.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Just to remind the members about ties in this Chamber. I am just looking at the rules. Again, if members feel offended by the way members dress in here, then it can be brought up, if you have an open shirt on, then you should have something that goes with it, either a beaded tie or, I do feel that we take offence to it.

Members' Statement, Mr. Ootes

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Planning For Division

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, almost every day someone in this house gets up and reminds us that division is only 2 and 1/2 years away. There is a reason why we keep returning to this theme. Division is a massive process and we have set ourselves on a very tight deadline. When you mix it in, the priorities of deficit reduction and constitutional development in the west, the task seems even more daunting.

Given these circumstances, I worry that we will rush division. I fear that we will make ill-thought decisions and that the Territorial Government staff in services will be shipped blindly to Iqaluit. This would not be good for the Western Arctic, nor would it be good for Nunavut which is in the very early stages of building its institutions. Mr. Speaker, in my mind, for division to succeed, the east and the west will have to share resources, at least for the first few years. This will give the new government a chance to build itself and will minimize disruptions here.

It may also build foundations for lasting partnerships which will help the two governments take advantage of economies of scale. Now as everyone knows, I am the MLA for Yellowknife Centre, and it would not surprise me if you are shaking your heads saying to yourselves, "He's just trying to protect jobs in his riding". This is true, but my vision is not that narrow. I want division to succeed, but I do not and I truly believe it cannot succeed if we try to do everything in the next 30 months. We must look at this process as a partnership process. Otherwise we both come away worse off for it.

Of course, each territory will need immediate and exclusive jurisdiction in vital areas, education, health and social services come to mind as examples. However, there are many areas where we can continue to work together, at least until it becomes practical to finalize the division process.

Furthermore, I believe there are areas where we will want to work as partners for a long time to come. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Planning For Division

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Members' statements, Mr. Henry .

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GNWT Protected Area Strategy

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to address the government's new protected area strategy.

All northerners recognize that we live in a unique part of the world. While many see the arctic as barren and empty, we, who live here, know that appearances can be deceiving. The land has been a fruitful source of life for northern peoples for centuries. Those of us who have lived here for any length of time still recognize the bounty of flora and fauna in the north.

We also recognize that there is great wealth beneath the surface of the land. Most of those who have come to this north over the last 70 years have come either directly or indirectly because of gold, lead, zinc, uranium, oil, gas and now, diamonds that lie beneath the arctic.

Balancing the fragile surface environment with the economic needs and resources below it is an ongoing responsibility. We need both but one must not be allowed to destroy or preclude the other. I appreciate what the government is trying to do with its protected area strategy, we do need to protect our land and our environment to ensure that it is viable for millennia to come. Those who have lived here for generations have much to teach us about, and respect for, the land. But we must also have respect for those interests of those who have invested much time, money and effort into finding and developing the riches that lie beneath the surface.

That is why I am concerned that the government does not appear to have properly allowed for consultation with the mining industry regarding this strategy. I am not saying that we should not protect areas, but I am saying it is wrong to proceed with an initiative such as this without extensive consultation with all stakeholders, not just the federal government, Aboriginal organizations and environmental organizations. The mining industry, as well, should be included as a key participant in the development and implementation of this initiative. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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GNWT Protected Area Strategy

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Henry . Members' statements, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Fort Smith's 30th Anniversary Since Achieving Town Status

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In the month of October this year Fort Smith is celebrating it's status of a town which it has had for the last 30 years.

In the last 30 years, Mr. Speaker, Fort Smith has moved from a small government run community to a strong self-confident, tax-based municipality that is economically sound. Like other communities, we are experiencing the effects of government down-sizing, however, that does not, and should not, detract from all that Fort Smith has accomplished in the last 30 years. I would like to hope and wish that the next 30 years are as progressive for the town of Fort Smith as the first 30 have been.

Needless to say, Mr. Speaker, given this momentous occasion, I am glad to say that Fort Smith is a place I am very proud to call home. Thank you very much.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Members' statements, members' statements. Returns to oral

questions, Mr. Kakfwi .

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Return To Question 358-13(3): Commercial Hunting Treaty Rights

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is in response to a question asked by Mr. Erasmus on the 29th May. It is in recognition of commercial hunting treaty rights.

Mr. Speaker, the existing Wildlife Act came into effect in 1979, in recognition of the practices in effect at that time. The entire Act at this time is currently under review and a list issues including licensing, permitting and paramountcy of Aboriginal rights is being compiled.

The intent is to develop options which will form the basis for discussion paper for public consultation. The public consultation we believe will be quite lengthy. Meanwhile, amendments to part two of the Act is being drafted to address provisions of the Gwich'in and Sahtu land claim agreements. These agreements require review by the appropriate land claim organizations.

Mr. Speaker, the law is always changing. That is why legislation is periodically reviewed and amended. If provisions in any territorial legislation conflict with a Supreme Court of Canada decision, the new decision prevails. Thank you.

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Return To Question 358-13(3): Commercial Hunting Treaty Rights

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Samuel Gargan

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Mr. Speaker, I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Picco on October 4th in respect to the impact of foster care rate reductions. As of October 8, 1996, one foster family in Yellowknife has decided to discontinue their services and Mr. Speaker, to my knowledge, there have been no other families in the Northwest Territories withdraw their services. Several foster parents have expressed their concern about the reduction to the rate structure for children with special needs.

Some have indicated that they may not be prepared to carry on, but will continue to do so in the short term while departmental staff and the Yellowknife Foster Family Association work together to review this matter. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Returns to oral questions. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Picco .

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to welcome in the gallery today Mr. Adla Itorcheak from Iqaluit. Adla is one of the first Inuit to receive his Bachelor of Administration from Acadia University in the south and is a long term resident of Iqaluit and a good friend of mine.

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Samuel Gargan

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister of Finance , and it relates to the net value of this government's payroll tax. My question to the Minister is, will the Minister advise this House as to how much revenue this tax actually brings in to this government each year?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you Mr. Speaker. The net revenue, I believe it was, the best way to describe that would be to say that the total revenues brought in by the GNWT are somewhere in the range of $12 million. Due to the way that the tax

was set up, we provide a tax deduction at the end of the year, which is approximately 11, 11.5, so the net to the GNWT is about half a million dollars. Thank you.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you Mr. Speaker. Will the Minister advise this House as to what is the cost to administer and collect this revenue?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Yes, thank you Mr. Speaker. The approximate cost to service this $12 million in revenues is approximately three PYs which is somewhere in the region of $300,000. Thank you.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you Mr. Speaker. My final question to the Minister is to ask if this tax is giving such a minimal revenue compared to the cost of collecting it, will the Minister consider and commit to this House to abolish this tax in the next budget?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you Mr. Speaker. Well, I think with the level activity that may occur with respect to BHP and other operations which may provide a mechanism for employment for a large number of people outside the territories, we will have to take a look at that. And we are looking at the possibility of a re-examination of the payroll tax. Thank you.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, will the Minister commit to completing his review or assessment prior to the next budget? Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Yes, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I will commit to trying to conclude our review of the payroll tax prior to the next budget. Thank you.

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Question 483-13(3): Allegations By The Union Of Northern Workers

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you Mr. Speaker. My question is for the minister for the Financial Management Board Secretariat. Has the Minister received a package from the Union of Northern Workers with certain allegations? Thank you Mr. Speaker.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I welcome the question today, because it permits me the opportunity to express my diminishing tolerance, if you want, Mr. Speaker, for being subjected to this kind of groundless innuendo from the UNW. If the hoax to send the Housing Corporation job description, was not embarrassing enough for the UNW, materials released last week confirmed that there are those within that organization who prefer fiction to fact. I would say that they utilized the Oliver Stone approach, that one should never allow facts to get in the way of or entertaining conspiracy theory. It is regrettable, Mr.

Speaker, that the media are only willing to be parties to this train which needlessly and recklessly damages the reputation of people committed to serving the public

interests. Although, I recognize that one has to have thick skin in politics, Mr. Speaker, there is a threshold point where one has no choice but to look at other forms to find a remedy from the unsubstantiated rumour and thinly-veiled innuendo. I want to inform the leadership of the UNW and I want to be clear today, Jackie Simpson, Bob Robertson, Dave Talbot, I am now at that point. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, The Minister is in fine form today again. Mr. Speaker, my question to the minister is are you officially responding to said allegations?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

My last comment Mr. Speaker, where I have provided those who bring forward these allegations is clear what my position is. If it continues I will deal with it forthwith, and I will deal with it in a correct and proper manner, by seeking appropriate legal council.

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Samuel Gargan

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you Mr. Speaker. I would like to address my question to the Minister for Transportation , the Hon. Mr. Antoine . In the community of Broughton Island, the community airstrip lies along the beach and it is exposed to wind and soft spray and stormy conditions. On my last visit to this community, I noticed just how rough the surface of the airstrip has become. I have just learned from the community that the pilots in Broughton Island have commented on this repeatedly. I also notice the cable for the runway lights lies exposed on the surface where the salty air conditions can damage electrical equipment easily.

Mr. Speaker, I know that the minister has expressed his department's top priority as maintaining the safety of the flying public. Could the Minister please advise us on the amount of money in the current year budget for the repairs and maintenance of Broughton Island airstrip? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the question, the concern of the honourable member is very well noted by myself. The specific question of exactly how much is in the current budget, I will have to take that as notice and then get back to him on that. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

The question is taken as notice. Oral question, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 485-13(3): Privatization Of Trail Cross Facility

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister Responsible for the - he is no longer here. Let me redirect that question. My question is for the Minister of Health and Social Services . Could the Minister indicate to this House whether he has had a chance to obtain the information relating to Trail Cross, the contract development process, the amount of staff, northern staff that have been hired and the type of program that is being run? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yes I have been able to obtain the information. The current contractor is undergoing local hiring. They have received ten applications from within the community of the former employees of

Trail Cross. They also have ten additional applications from other communities or other individuals from the Northwest Territories and they are going through the screening and interviewing process as we speak. Today with that anticipated November 1st opening date of the Trail Cross facility, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister also indicate whether there will be any clinical support services attached to the program, or is this strictly going to be the current existing staff with no psychologists or family therapists involved? Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Mr. Speaker. It is my understanding that there will be additional clinical support from the program director who is expected to be a trained psychologist, and as well, there will be additional support provided by consulting psychiatrists and neurophsychologists. Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you Mr. Speaker. Would the Minister commit to keep the House informed as to when hiring is finished, as to the final number of northern people that have been employed?

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you Mr. Speaker. Yes, I will certainly make that commitment to continue to keep members informed of what is happening in this area, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Question 486-13(3): Reduced Housing Construction And Funding

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister Responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation, Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker I do not have the exact number of the percentage, but the vast majority of the NWTs Housing Corporation's capital budget money is allocated through this House.

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister please tell what efforts this government is making now to get more assistance for the housing in the NWT? Thank you Mr. Speaker.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, I announced last spring that the Government of the NWT would start negotiating with CMHC to transfer the entire housing program from the Federal Government to the NWT. That

effort is ongoing, and we are hopeful that the CMHC held programs will be transferred to the NWT by this spring. At the present time, we continue to make appeals to the Federal Housing Minister for more hosing funding. The Premier has made our position known to the Prime Minister and to the other Premiers, and we have had discussions with our 2 MP's in Ottawa. But the fact of the matter is in the last few years the money for housing from the Federal Government has been reduced by over $45 million, and it is an uphill battle. But we continue to try for more funding.

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister tell us if the number of houses built has decreased from the previous years? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, the NWT Housing Corporation will assist in the building of more houses than we did last year, but all of these houses are home ownership units and the reason why we can build more houses, with in fact, less money, is because we are using a down payment assistance program, where the GNWT helps clients with 25 percent down payment assistance.

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. For the new housing in the coming year. Thank you.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, in the next few weeks the committees will be going through the business plans of the Housing Corporation, which will outline our plans for the coming year. For future housing allocations, the allocations are based on need, and the available funding that is there, so any future houses that we build will be dependent on those 2 factors.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is in relation to the fairness and equity in regards to community empowerment in offering communities ways to deal with their problems step forth. My constituency has the lowest 10-year Government capital expenditures; it roughly works out to about $1200 per person in the Mackenzie Delta. In the other ridings, almost twice the capital expenditures that we received. It also is a loss in regards to loss of jobs, business opportunities, training, and potential benefits to my constituency. My question is to the Minister of Finance .

What is he going to do in regards to looking at the possibility of dealing with this problem especially when you are talking about fairness and also community empowerment to put everybody on the same footing? Would the Honourable John Todd provide to the House an explanation as to the effects of capital spending as they affect regional economies?

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Samuel Gargan

Again, to remind members that community empowerment is on the agenda for today. And I want to remind the Minister too, that anything that is on the Orders for Today for consideration in Committee, does not have to be answered. But you could answer the other questions, too. Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think I understand what my Honourable colleague is saying. I do not want to be offensive by making that comment. We are endeavouring in our business plans and when we make presentations to the Committees to try to explain the Honourable Members and to Cabinet that there has been, wherever possible, a fair distribution of dollars, whether it has been in capital dollars or in some of the reduction programs that we have been working on. I am not quite sure how to answer the question, to be perfectly candid.

I think the business plan process will hopefully answer the questions that my colleague wants addressed. I could talk to the staff, I guess, and see if there is some way we can put that in some

summary to assure him, and others, that in most cases, we try to be fair and reasonable in terms of whether it is budget restraint or whether it is in capital expenditures. I am not sure whether that satisfies my colleague or not, but that is the best I can do right now. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Mr. Krutko . Just again to remind the Members that a question must not be asked to seek information about a proceeding in a Committee which has not been reported in the House yet. So just a reminder, okay? Mr. Krutko , oral question.

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David Krutko

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Honourable John Todd , Minister of Finance , provide information as to why the MacKenzie Delta region has been cut back to less than half the capital expenditures per capita compared to all southern ridings.

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Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I understand where my colleague is heading with his questioning, and I would answer this way. The process we have now in place provides a more balanced approach and a fairer approach in the way in which capital monies and dollars are distributed. It may be fair to say that historically, that balance was not there, and I can provide them, if you want, with as much information as possible under this Government and the previous one, if that would be adequate for him. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. How does your Department plan to implement fair, equitable distribution of capital expenditures so that the Mackenzie Delta will not find itself in the same dilemma that we are in now, receive the same level of spending as any other region.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There is a process in place that provides the opportunity for the communities within my Honourable colleague's constituency to determine the appropriate priorities in capital expenditures. Those capital expenditures then come in through the system, and to the appropriate Ministers. Decisions are made then, and then back to the Committees, the appropriate Committees and advice and direction is given then. I think that process now is in place, and has been in place certainly in the term of this Government, and as a previous Minister and the previous one was in place then.

I think if there are some disparities that are glaring, as my colleague is suggesting, that we need to find a way to work with him and the Ministers involved, whether it is in MACA or in Health or whatever, in an effort to see if there is arrangement to be made to balance out what he sees as an imbalance in where the money has been spent over this last year in particular. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you Mr. Speaker. Final supplementary. Will the minister make an attempt to allow the Mackenzie Delta to court for us this priority item and be dealt with, like other regions based on what we have seen in the last round where we got cut in regards to the Aklavik correction project that they were looking for. A motion was put forth in regard to the Tl'oondih Healing Camp that was having problems, also the debate I had in the House about my water treatment problem that we are having with water, I do not see any of those items being on anything to date, and I would like to have assurance from the Minister that we would table something in the House to show how he intends to do this.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you Mr. Speaker. I think it is important to point out that we just give directions to cabinet ministers in terms of targets. The Department of Finance and the FMB does not advise the individual ministers how to spend the money. I think the most direct way to deal with this would be that subject to approval by the Premier that we meet, as I have suggested with Mr. Krutko tomorrow, and some of these people in an effort to see where we can provide them with assistance to try to include this, perceive a real balance that he is talking about. Thank you.

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Thank you. Oral questions, Mr. Ootes

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Premier , I would like to preface my question with a comment that cabinet has been really good at providing a lot of data and that data has been useful for the standing committees to make decisions. However, I find it extremely difficult to review the business plans and the budgets, when we don't know certain details, and some of the details, for example are, I believe that our salaries in the Territories for the GNWT and boards and agencies combined reaches somewhere in the neighbourhood of $400,000,000. In generalities we know where that money goes to specific departments but we do not know any further details for specifics.

The other question I have is, how much goes into sole-source contracts and negotiated contracts, and I find it extremely difficult to be just to a situation when I do not know how much money is going to go to a sole-source contract, or a negotiated contract. We have a particular problem as members on this side, because we have to place faith in the Members of Cabinet that this is all correctly justified and we are getting value for our money.

So, to me we have a very difficult situation on our hands to try to make judgement calls, now I wonder if the Premier could tell me, and he spoke about this last Friday, that he has been advised that Justice has advised him that there may be liability if we release details of the documents. I find that very difficult to understand, Mr. Speaker, especially when we are dealing with a request for 1995/96, I just do not understand why that would a legal problem. Can the Premier elaborate on his statement of last Friday? Thank you.

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Mr. Premier .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you Mr. Speaker. That is an interesting

preamble the member had leading up to the question. The members are fully aware, those members capable of reading the business plans and I guess, absorbing the information that we supply as a government to them. I know it is a lot of information. Information is in those business plans, the PYs are in the business plans. You have to read the documents, you see it as clear as day, as far as a sole-source and

negotiated contracts, that are supplied to the committee that that department is responsible to report to. So the information is there, all the member has to do is pick it up and read it. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral question, before I recognize Mr. Ootes , I would like to recognize in the Gallery Mr. Jack Anawak the MP for the Eastern Arctic. Welcome to the Assembly. Mr. Ootes , oral questions.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Yes, Mr. Speaker, thank you very much. I think I am very stupid, Mr. Speaker. Also, I am a bit on the lazy side, (laughter), so what I would like to ask, Mr. Speaker, since I am stupid and since I am lazy, would the Premier please supply me with the list, separated out, of the sole sourced contracts and the negotiated contracts. Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would be pleased, under a personal and confidential letter to the Member, supplying him with that information, and also that information is available to the Government. Thank you.

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Yellowknife Centre

Yes, I wonder if the Premier could also indicate the amounts of those sole source contracts and negotiated contracts when he does supply it, and I do appreciate the Premier 's offer. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker, I will try my best.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Yes, my final question is, when can we expect this information from the Premier ? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As soon as the Ministers that are responsible for those contracts get that information to me, then I will get it to the Member and it should be before very long; it should not take that long. The exact time, I do not know.

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Question 489-13(3): Participants Developing The Protected Area Strategy

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question today is for the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development . Mr. Speaker, from what I understand, a northern mining industry has not been included in the list of those who will be consulted in the development of the Protected Areas Strategy. Can the Minister explain why this industry, which is not only the most important private player in the Northern economy, but also one of the most important players in the Northern environment, was not considered for consultation, in what undoubtedly what will be a critical and far-reaching strategy? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Minister responsible for Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development . Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

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Question 490-13(3): Recognition Of Outpost Camps As Communities

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1133

Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Through a translator,) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of MACA , perhaps I will have a

preamble before I put out a question.

Knowing that we are in hard time today there are some people who have been out on the land before and people have been saying that they wish to go back on the land and the government at the time had a policy that, if an outpost camp has a population of sixty people that is the only time that the government can recognize it as a community and does this policy still exist?

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Samuel Gargan

Community Affairs, Mrs. Thompson .

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

(Through a translator.) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The member for Amittuq just indicated about outpost camps and I understand his concern. He asked that if there should be at least sixty people in order for an outpost camp to be recognized as a community or as a settlement, I will have to look into this matter and get back to the member on this issue. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 491-13(3): Reductions To Emergency Measures Funding

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1133

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister responsible for MACA , Mrs. Thompson .

Will the Minister from MACA update this House as to the recent news that probable cuts are forthcoming regarding the cost-sharing of the federal EMO funding? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Minister responsible for Municipal and Community Affairs , Mrs. Thompson .

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the member clarify if he is talking about emergency measures?

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. O'Brien ,

clarification.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Yes, Mr. Speaker. It is my understanding that there is possible and probable cuts coming to the cost-sharing that the federal government provides for EMO funding. Emergency Measures Organization, thank you.

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Mrs. Thompson .

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will get the details from my department and get back to the member. I will take that as notice. Thank you.

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Question 492-13(3): Funding Available Under The Rural And Remote Housing Program

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1134

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation .

I have two constituents who have been paying into a mortgage under the old rural and remote housing program and have been doing so for the last 12 years. They initially borrowed $61,000 and have paid about $85,000 in interest and only $7,000 of that $85,000 has been paid against the principal. I understand that this program is under review and that they are looking at trying to back out of this program or close it down.

My question is, would the Minister consider the particular specific circumstances of these constituents when trying to back out of this program and making other arrangements to do so? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation, Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. When the member for Thebacha first brought this issue up this spring the Housing Corporation instigated a review of the old rural and remote housing program where clients at the time, which was in the 1980s, were able to get mortgages through the Housing Corporation but they were not as generous as programs that followed. As the Corporation review is ongoing, I understand that there may be some areas where the Corporation will be able to assist clients that need assistance. They have been paying faithfully to their mortgages, which I understand that these few constituents are.

I will look into this a bit further, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister indicate the time, or whether it would be possible for myself, through his good office, to meet with himself or the Deputy Minister on this particular issue? Thank you.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, in fact when the member approached me last week on this issue I have already informed the President of the Housing Corporation to make arrangements to meet with the MLA so that should probably be happening sometime this week.

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Question 493-13(3): Summer Student Wage Rates

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1134

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, my question is for Mr. Todd as the Minister for the Financial Management Board .

I have been harping on this subject since last fall, Mr. Speaker, and that is the subject of summer employment for students. There seems to be a problem between the Government of the NWT and the union that we cannot reach agreement with respect to a wage package, that it has to be according to what the position is paid and the student fills that.

I wonder if, I am concerned more than that, is a program, not just within the GNWT, but also, territorial wide, and I wonder if the Minister could tell me if he has entered into any discussion with the Honourable Ethel Blondin-Andrew, Minister of State for Youth, who is with us here today. I wonder if the Minister could tell us if this has been discussed?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. No, I have not discussed directly with Ms. Blondin the idea for student youth employment program for the summer, but I want to assure my colleague that one way or the other we are going to find a method and a means by which to do that this coming year.

And my colleague is correct, we did, in the negotiations with the UNW, we did try to suggest that, perhaps, we should have a student rate that would provide us with a greater opportunity to employ more students on a part-time, seasonal basis and, unfortunately, we were unable, at the time, to get the UNW to agree to that concession and I think that is unfortunate in these difficult financial times. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

I wonder if the Minister could tell us if the door is still open to discuss this further with the union or if the door is shut on this matter?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Well, the only people that shut doors these days is the union. My door is open all the time so is our staff's and so is Mr. Voytilla's. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Yes, well, I appreciate the Minister telling us it is something he is pursuing -- a summer employment program for students of the NWT and I really appreciate that.

I wonder if the Minister could tell us if some program may be forthcoming that will be put before the members in the near future?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

No, I do not think we.. we are working on a program based upon discussions that we held during the bargaining that took place and also because Mr. Ootes and others had raised it in the House.

So we are working trying to determine an appropriate course of action that would provide us with an opportunity to increase the student employment opportunities, because if you remember this last year, due to budget restraint, due to the fact we were unable to reach, what I thought was a reasonable position, with respect to student employment, we, in fact, employed significantly less students this year than we did in previous years, so it is my desire if you want, and the Cabinet's, that we would try to find an accommodation, hopefully, with our colleagues and partners at the UNW, but, if not, we will have to look at some other way in which to ensure that our children and our neighbour's children get equal opportunity for jobs this coming summer.

Thank you.

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