Debates of June 3rd, 2008

This is page numbers 799 to 856 of the Hansard for the 16th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was health .

Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

Minister’s Statement 48-16(2) Improving The GNWT Capital-Planning And Delivery Process

Minister’s Statement 49-16(2) Chief Albert Wright School Open

Minister’s Statement 50-16(2) Agreement For Utilization Of The Somba K’e Healing Lodge

Access To Housing Corporation Programs By Clients With Outstanding Arrears

Stanton Territorial Hospital Accumulated Deficit

Hay River Spring Breakup And Flooding

Folk On The Rocks Annual Music Festival

Provision Of Midwifery Services

Adherence To Negotiated Contracts Policy

Access To Education, Health And Social Services In Small Communities

Environment Week And Clean Air Day

Delays In Receiving Responses From Health And Social Services Minister

Capital-Planning And Delivery Process

Doctor Shortage In The Nunakput Constituency

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Acknowledgement 5-16(2) Elaine Doctor — Tulita

Question 240-16(2) Stanton Territorial Hospital Deficit

Question 241-16(2) Delays In Receiving Responses From Ministers

Question 242-16(2) Adherence To Negotiated Contracts Policies

Question 243-16(2) Culturally-Sensitive Social Workers And Social Work Policies

Question 244-16(2) Yellowknife Association Of Concerned Citizens For Seniors

Question 245-16(2) Western Harvesters Assistance Program

Question 246-16(2) Doctor Shortage In Nunakput Constituency

Question 247-16(2) Reductions Of Energy Costs And Consumption

Question 248-16(2) Devolution And Resource Revenue Sharing

Question 249-16(2) Programming At North Slave Correctional Centre

Question 250-16(2) Provision Of Midwifery Services

Bill 10

An Act To Amend The Pharmacy Act

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Main Estimates 2008–2009 NWT Housing Corporation

Committee Motion 25-16(2) To Assess And Develop A Strategy For Accessible Living Opportunities For Families That Include Persons With Disabilities (Committee Motion As Amended Carried)

Committee Motion 26-16(2) To Reinstate Funding Levels Consistent With Fiscal Year 2007–2008 For The Contributing Assistance For Residential Enhancements Program (Committee Motion Carried)

Committee Motion 27-16(2) To Reinstate The Elders On The Land Program Under Programs And District Operations (Committee Motion Carried)

Committee Motion 28-16(2) To Defer Further Consideration Of The Corporate

Summary Of The NWT Housing Corporation (Committee Motion Carried)

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Health And Social Services

Report of Committee of the Whole

Orders of the Day

The House met at 1:30 p.m.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Good afternoon, colleagues. Welcome back to the Chamber. Item 2, Ministers’ statements. The honourable Minister responsible for the Cabinet Subcommittee for Infrastructure, Mr. Michael McLeod .

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Minister’s Statement 48-16(2) Improving The GNWT Capital-Planning And Delivery Process

Ministers’ Statements

Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Government of the Northwest Territories is facing a difficult challenge in providing the programs and services residents require, given the fiscal resources available. Delivering and maintaining the infrastructure from which to deliver these programs and services also faces the same challenges.

The Western Canadian economy, and in particular Alberta, is heated. The Northwest Territories competes in this economy and faces the same challenges as other governments and the private sector in delivering infrastructure projects on time and on budget.

Decisions about capital investments affect the availability and quality of government services. Capital investments are the physical foundation of government service delivery that includes transportation infrastructure, water and sewer systems, and buildings that house government services such as courts, parks and recreation, health, social services and other important community programs. The quality of this infrastructure has implications for health, safety and quality of life. The government’s physical infrastructure is what permits economic activity to efficiently take place.

It allows people and goods to move, provides reliable water, and it’s where children are educated and elders are cared for. In many cases it is a determining factor that makes

NWT communities a place where people choose to live.

The fiscal reality, Mr.

Speaker, is that the

government’s infrastructure needs exceed by a wide margin our financial ability to address them. Therefore, we need to explore broad and innovative approaches to infrastructure planning, acquisition, usage and maintenance.

This approach needs to take into account funding limits as well as changing priorities, demographics and service initiatives. The Government of the Northwest Territories needs to find ways to optimize opportunities for shared and flexible approaches to infrastructure management and should seek to optimize opportunities for leveraging infrastructure funding, creative partnerships and alternative means of accessing infrastructure for programs and service delivery.

Mr. Speaker, this Assembly has also recognized the importance of providing affordable housing in our communities. The Northwest Territories Housing Corporation will continue to be a participant in our capital-planning process. However, we must ensure that housing remains a top infrastructure priority while recognizing the differences between how we build government facilities and how we deliver housing. Therefore, we will continue to allocate and budget our housing delivery using a parallel process that recognizes the need for different planning parameters for housing but does not lose sight of the value and economic benefits that result from a coordinated planning and delivery process.

In recognizing these challenges, Mr. Speaker, the Premier established the Ministerial Subcommittee for Infrastructure to review, advise and provide recommendations on how best to plan for, acquire and deliver infrastructure required for GNWT programs and services.

Based on the analysis of current GNWT practices, the subcommittee developed a list of recommendations for improving the GNWT’s capital-planning and delivery processes. These recommendations were presented for consideration in detail to the Standing Committee on Priorities and Planning and were also considered and

approved by Cabinet and FMB with a view to improving the planning, acquisition and delivery of infrastructure projects to help control costs and take preventative measures to avoid higher future costs.

Some of the more important changes we’ll be implementing are: more rigour and discipline will be imposed on the capital-planning process by developing large building projects to a class C or schematic design stage and subjecting these projects to a peer review to ensure that the proposed infrastructure solution appropriately matches the defined program/service needs. Projects must advance to the class C stage and have undergone a peer review prior to proceeding to the consultation stage.

PWS, in consultation with departments, will develop standardized designs for like buildings — examples are schools, health centres, parks infrastructure — and these standardized designs, once developed, will be used for all future infrastructure projects.

Departments will attend to their deferred maintenance projects as a priority over new or incremental infrastructure projects.

Obtaining bids from contractors through public tender and negotiations requires careful scheduling, and tenders must be scheduled to allow enough time for contractors to purchase, fabricate and expedite materials. Winter road and barge schedules present additional constraints. Problems with schedules can increase the risks to the contractor and to the Government of the Northwest Territories and add costs to the project. Tendering in April and May for summer construction is not ideal as contractors are already committed to other projects.

Therefore, we’ll ensure that the appropriate consultation with standing committees takes place with a view to obtaining approval for the Legislative Assembly to consider the infrastructure acquisition plan along with the required budget allocations in the fall session.

Approval of the capital-planning process well in advance of the beginning of the fiscal year will allow for opportunities for better schedules and cost savings through the ordering of materials earlier and the logistical planning for transportation being confirmed earlier in the season.

A value analysis will be performed on every major project. These reviews will provide a mechanism for audit and accountability to ensure that projects have met the conditions of their approval. It is also important to ensure that lessons learned are incorporated into the capital-planning and project delivery process.

The Business Incentive Policy was established in 1984 to provide a level playing field for NWT-owned businesses to compete with businesses from southern Canada on GNWT contracts. At that time

the NWT economy was still in the developmental stages. The economy was not mature or diverse, and GNWT procurement and contracting — construction and leasing in particular — were the major underpinning of the NWT economy. The current Business Incentive Policy, or the BIP, provides a preference to NWT-owned firms by providing a bidding advantage of 15 per cent for northern content and 5 per cent for local content when these businesses bid on GNWT and community government projects.

Some 24 years later, in 2008, the maturity and scope of the NWT economy have vastly changed. In the mid-1990s diamond mining, oil and gas exploration, and related industrial services became the dominant players in the NWT economy and offer steady and secure income to many contractors. The reality is that there is more interest in mining and oil and gas construction and maintenance contracts than there is in GNWT contracts, and as a result, the GNWT’s influence over the economy through the use of construction contracts is minimal.

In addition to the diversification and maturation of the NWT economy, the Western Canadian economy, in particular Alberta, is booming. This has resulted in major construction contractors either leaving the NWT altogether or becoming more interested in seeking contracts in Alberta rather than in the NWT. Outside of Yellowknife only one major contractor has consistently bid on large GNWT/community government building projects. Coupled with the annual cost of inflation, estimated at 20 per cent per annum, this lack of competition or interest in GNWT construction contracts is making it extremely difficult to complete projects on time and on budget.

Mr.

Speaker, requiring community government

compliance with BIP is not consistent with the spirit and intent of the New Deal for NWT Community Governments, the intent of which is to recognize community government authority and autonomy and provide communities with the tools to make decisions and implement them effectively.

The solution to the above problem is to create more competition for GNWT/community government construction projects. In order to facilitate competition, one needs to create more interest in these contracts. In order to generate the required interest, we need to consider removing the application of the BIP from these projects and contracts.

The subcommittee has recommended eliminating the application of the BIP from the GNWT and community government infrastructure projects. Cabinet has requested my colleague the Hon. Robert McLeod , Minister of Industry, Tourism

and Investment, to develop options on how best to implement this recommendation.

In conclusion, Mr. Speaker, the subcommittee will develop an implementation plan for this revised approach to the planning, acquiring and delivering infrastructure, and I will be seeking an opportunity to advise the Standing Committee on Economic Development and Infrastructure of this revised approach and how it will be implemented.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Ministers’ statements, the honourable Minister responsible for Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Minister’s Statement 49-16(2) Chief Albert Wright School Open

Ministers’ Statements

Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr.

Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this moment to celebrate the opening of the new Chief Albert Wright School in Tulita. The new school has opened for classes and will be having a grand opening in September or October.

Thanks to the many partners involved in this project, the new school is a top-of-the-line facility. The building is 25 per cent larger. It includes a gym, a community library, computer areas, wireless networking, a large science room and a great view of Bear Rock.

Thanks are due to the district education authority, the Sahtu Divisional Education Council, Pin-Taylor Architects, Dowland Construction, the school staff and the community for their hard work that has been put into this new facility. I especially would like to recognize the efforts of the community, the district education authority, the staff and the students for setting up and running school programs out of various buildings following the fire.

The building of the new school probably seemed to take forever, but students are overjoyed to be back in their own building. The opening is a cause for celebration.

Special thanks are also due to Tulita’s Yamoria Community Secretariat, which provided funding for the gymnasium expansion, which is a beautiful facility for both the school and the community. This is yet another example of northern government and agencies working together to maximize facilities for our people.

I would like to particularly recognize the principal, Wayne Dawe, and the superintendent, Seamus Quigg, for their efforts to make sure studies were minimally disrupted during the given situation. Thanks to all the Government of Northwest

Territories’ partners, it is now possible for Tulita’s 153 students to begin the coming school year in a wonderful facility that will help them reach their full potential.

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Ministers’ statements. The honourable Minister Responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Minister’s Statement 50-16(2) Agreement For Utilization Of The Somba K’e Healing Lodge

Ministers’ Statements

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I rise today to announce that the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation has reached an agreement for the utilization of the former Somba K’e Healing Lodge near Dettah. Effective June 2008 the corporation will be leasing this facility to the Deton’Cho Corporation, which is owned by the Yellowknives Dene First Nation. They will operate the facility as a training centre in partnership with the Mine Training Society and Aurora College for three years.

Under this partnership Aurora College will be offering the Underground Miner Training Program at the facility and will offer accommodations to all students in the program on-site to introduce trainees to a camp-like setting. The Deton’Cho Corporation has committed $150,000 over three years to purchase equipment, furniture and other supplies to convert this facility into an educational facility. Mining companies currently operating in the territory will also serve as partners in this initiative.

Together, this partnership between the government and the private sector will allow for the development of programs and services that will assist our residents in gaining sustainable employment opportunities.

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased that an appropriate use has been found for this facility. Since taking ownership of this facility in 2003, the Housing Corporation has incurred operating and maintenance costs related to this facility totalling approximately $1 million. It is important that we expend funds in the most appropriate and beneficial way possible. In this case not only does the lease allow us to redirect funds to other areas; the intended use for the facility will be beneficial to residents wishing to gain employment in the mining industry.

The shelter component of this agreement will also make it easier for residents from outside Yellowknife to learn at their facility and have access to housing during their training.

This agreement is evidence of the successes that can be realized when we work in partnership with community organizations, other departments and development corporations. I’d like to extend my

congratulations and best wishes to the partners as they pursue their efforts to train residents to take advantage of the many opportunities stemming from resource development.

Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Item 3, Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Access To Housing Corporation Programs By Clients With Outstanding Arrears

Members’ Statements

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I want to speak on the need to ensure that access to NWT Housing Corporation programs is done fairly and that the program requirements do not put up any systemic barriers for Northerners. I can tell you that some days I wonder whether I ran for the position of housing relations officer instead of MLA.

Mr. Speaker, I have some constituents who have been denied access to Housing Corporation funding because of their arrears with them. These arrears are related to a loan these constituents received for work that was done to their house. These constituents have disputed these loans, because the work was never completed and the required repairs remain outstanding. So these constituents are in a fix.

The Housing Corporation is following their rules that clearly state that if you are in arrears to the corporation, you are not eligible for funding under any Housing Corporation program. The required outstanding repairs and any additional repairs my constituents need done to their homes will not happen until they can deal with these arrears.

The one way I can see for this issue to be dealt with is if we had an appeal board and a formalized complaint process. If the original issue of the incomplete repairs had been dealt with in an appropriate manner through a formalized complaints process, there probably wouldn’t be an issue today. However, Mr. Speaker, we are left with a situation that clearly points out the need for an appeal board with the power to make decisions that can take into account the client’s history.

There clearly needs to be some flexibility in how the “outstanding arrears means no access to funding” policy is applied. If the NWT Housing Corporation can come to an understanding with the client that addresses outstanding arrears and the new funding

requirement, I can see no reason that another loan could not be processed.

Another issue needs to be reviewed. When the Minister examines the role of an appeal board and the application of the no-outstanding-arrears policy, there’s an income threshold eligibility for each community, especially those that are off all-weather roads.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Mr. Menicoche , your time for the Member’s statement has expired.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

Unanimous consent granted.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, colleagues.

I know that the Minister is working on rolling out an appeal board process in the near future, but we need it now. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Stanton Territorial Hospital Accumulated Deficit

Members’ Statements

David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Mr. Speaker, today I’m going to pick up again on the discussions regarding debt and deficit at Stanton Territorial Hospital.

The Minister stated in the local media last week that the overall debt to pay back FMBS for covering the payroll for the past 13 pay periods, or six and a half months, is over $26 million. If you add that to the $11.5 million of accrued deficit, it gives you a total of $37.5 million. Given the reduction exercise the government is currently conducting and the scarcity of dollars to go around, I’d like to know where on God’s green earth are we going to come up with $37 million extra.

Mr. Speaker, in the same

article I spoke of earlier, Minister Lee also said that there would be a supplementary appropriation bill coming forward during this session to deal with the payroll issue. I

am left wondering whether or not that

supplementary appropriation is going to be for $11.5 million, which is the accrued deficit, $26 million for the payroll crisis or $37.5 million to address both issues.

I still have a difficult time understanding why this has been happening for six and a half months and how long the government anticipates it to continue. If the authority is not paying the $2 million in payroll back to FMBS, then where exactly are they spending the money?

Are operations and cash flow so far off track at that hospital that this has had to be the case for the past six and a half months? I could understand one or two pay periods, but how can you explain 13 consecutive pay periods totalling $26 million?

The department conducted a zero-base review at Stanton that began early in the spring of 2007. This was supposed to be a tool by which management at Stanton could make decisions and assist in the development of a balanced budget for 2008–2009. What kind of balanced budget can you get when you owe FMBS $26 million to start off with, and another $11.5 million deficit is staring you squarely in the face?

Mr. Speaker, I will again today have questions for the Minister of Health and Social Services on this issue at Stanton. Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Hay River Spring Breakup And Flooding

Members’ Statements

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Mr. Speaker, Hay River was once again affected by our annual breakup. This year saw a particularly bad and somewhat unusual turn of events in the breakup, resulting in serious property damage. Excluding the cleanup to businesses and government property, the tab has been estimated to exceed $1 million.

I would like to thank the Hon. Michael McLeod for the time that he spent coming to the community to firsthand survey the impact of this year’s flooding. ENR was available for a helicopter view of the damage, Mr.

Speaker, which yourself and

I accompanied the Minister on.

I’d also like to commend the town of Hay River and the Flood Watch Committee for their tireless efforts again this year.

We are also thankful for the continued presence of the University of Alberta specialists who are able to analyze the science of our breakup, and fortunately, they have secured funding for future years’ monitoring of our river as well. This has been a tremendous assistance to our local EMO and volunteer resources.

I would also like to thank Mr. Kevin Rowe

from

MACA for his assistance in helping our residents through the claims process. I know there were still some concerns about the after-the-fact reimbursement, but thankfully, there is financial assistance available.

Mr. Speaker, I would be remiss not to acknowledge again the input of our resident flood watcher with

much historic and traditional knowledge of our river, Red McBryan, who celebrated his 89th birthday

aboard the charter for the aerial view of the river into Alberta.

Mr.

Speaker, besides the work still underway

related to cleanup and repairs, we continue with the boil-water order. In cooperation with the Town of Hay River, mayor, council and Public Works, I remain hopeful that a long-term solution to the water intake treatment and storage can be developed to avoid this boil-water order — which is prolonged, at this time of year — in future years.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Abernethy .

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Folk On The Rocks Annual Music Festival

Members’ Statements

Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. During the week of July 18–20, Folk on the Rocks will be hosting their annual summer music festival. This year’s theme is Global Fusion, and it is an exploration of what multicultural means in Canada today.

For 28 years Folk on the Rocks has been bringing music to the shores of Long Lake. The festival is one of the NWT’s premier musical events. It is known as a culturally diverse event, which includes a 50-50 split between northern and southern performers.

The festival has always supported northern performers and has been a great opportunity for these northern performers to play alongside and collaborate with established southern performers. This exposure is incredibly valuable to these northern performers and helps them enhance their current skills.

Folk on the Rocks should be very proud of their contribution to the northern music scene. They’ve made a real difference in the lives of many northern performers.

This year’s line-up is spectacular, both from a southern and a northern point of view. Artists include Juno-nominated Jill Barber, one of Canada’s most renowned singer-songwriters; Toronto-based Elliott Brood, who plays dark, gritty folk music and howling bluegrass; B.C.-born and Toronto-based Ndidi Onukwulu, who has a voice you just won’t forget; Malajube, with their rock punk and bubblegum pop sounds for everyone to enjoy; the Mushfiq Ensemble, singing in a dozen different languages; Shane Philip, with a musical tapestry including reggae, ska, folk, funk and rock; from Fort Smith, State of the Art, a hard-rocking band with

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Mr. Abernethy , your time for the Member’s statement has expired.

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

Unanimous consent granted.

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I had one line to go.

I encourage everyone in Yellowknife over the weekend to come out and enjoy the performances. You won’t be disappointed. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Provision Of Midwifery Services

Members’ Statements

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Mahsi. Mr. Speaker, I’d like to talk on the provision of midwife services in the NWT. There are currently only three midwives working for Health and Social Services in the Northwest Territories — one in Yellowknife and two in Fort Smith — with only one of the midwife positions in Fort Smith receiving core funding. The other midwife there currently has only short-term funding.

Although there are other registered midwives interested, there is no funding for other positions here in Yellowknife, where there is increasing demand. An expert in the field estimates there is probably already enough demand for an additional three or even four midwives in Yellowknife alone.

I have several constituents who rely on a midwife in helping with the births of their children, but many other constituents are lamenting the lack of service available. The midwife here is unable to take

additional clients due to her limited capacity as the sole midwife in town and a sole program staff/manager/advocate in the territory.

Currently there are no midwife training programs in the NWT, and although there is some interest in Fort Smith to collaborate with programs down south, there is no funding. Even if there was a program to train midwives, there is, at the moment, not enough money and no vacant positions for the graduates. Having the capacity to train midwives here would bring long-term sustainability and promote their retention in the North. Funding is required for this support.

Mr.

Speaker, following the Territorial Midwifery

Profession Act of 2003, it is unfortunate we are not able to fully implement a midwife program, even in the capital. Encouraging the training of local women to become midwives and to practise to the extent possible in their home communities would be, in the long term, an effective use of resources. Our highly appreciated medical doctors are both busy and expensive, and it only makes common sense to invest in strategies that can relieve demand for doctors while lowering the costs of birthing.

Mr. Speaker, this service is regarded as both a quality-of-life factor and an effective use of government dollars. I encourage our Department of Health and Social Services to consider this and make midwife services widely available to our communities. Mahsi.

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Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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Adherence To Negotiated Contracts Policy

Members’ Statements

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, as Members of this Legislative Assembly we have a responsibility to provide support for our local entrepreneurs, contractors and individuals in our communities. At times these individuals approach us, asking us for support letters under the negotiating contracting policy and procedure of this government. The policy applies to public contractors in the area of housing, road construction and other government contracts that are out there, but the policy clearly states that the contractor must obtain a support letter from the local community and the affected MLA.

I have submitted support letters on behalf of local contractors in my riding and also walked them down the hall to the Ministers’ offices and hand-delivered them to the appropriate Ministers who are responsible for these particular contracts.

Mr. Speaker, those support letters are following the existing policy of this government. But sad to say, those letters do not seem to have any influence on

this government’s ability to implement that policy, which is clearly stated as one of the options for contracts to be let by this government.

Assuming that the process was being followed, negotiation was taking place between the contractor and the department affected, and that Cabinet was dealing with it, it’s sad to say, Mr. Speaker, that after reading through the local newspaper, I realized that these projects that I had submitted support letters for are now being publicly tendered through the newspaper, yet I’m not hearing back from the Minister that that was being done.

Again, I have to ask myself, as an MLA of this 16th Legislative Assembly, exactly what influence do I have as an MLA who is strictly following the policy of this government to show support for a local contractor on a local contract in my riding?

Again, Mr. Speaker, it’s sad to say: do we, as the government and as Members of the Legislative Assembly, have influence in regard to policies and procedures of this government, or are we being totally ignored by departments, Ministers and people within this bureaucracy so that, as Members of this Legislative Assembly, we do not have a say on exactly how….

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Mr.

Krutko, your time for the

Member’s statement has expired.

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Adherence To Negotiated Contracts Policy

Members’ Statements

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Mr.

Speaker, I

seek unanimous

consent to conclude my statement.

Unanimous consent granted.

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Adherence To Negotiated Contracts Policy

Members’ Statements

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, colleagues.

Again, Mr. Speaker, I must ask myself: exactly what is it that Members have to do to basically have influence on contracts that take place in our ridings? Knowing that there’s an existing policy that is in place and following the policy as it’s identified, we see those particular items being dealt with outside the process, where you have to read about it in a newspaper and not hear it directly from the Minister who is responsible for implementing that policy.

With that, Mr. Speaker, I will be asking questions of the Premier on this matter later.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Access To Education, Health And Social Services In Small Communities

Members’ Statements

Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you. Mr.

Speaker, today

I would like to talk about access to education,

health and social services for the residents in the small communities. For us in the larger centres, when we require medical attention, we pick up the phone, make an appointment and see a doctor, or if we need emergency care, we can be in a hospital in a matter of minutes.

However, for residents in Lutselk’e and Fort Resolution access to the doctor is limited to once every two weeks if they are lucky. If they find themselves in an emergency situation, they are medevaced out of the community. This also means huge disruption in lifestyle for them, and if they have to stay for an extended period, it also impacts their friends and family. To visit your friend or relative, you have to take time off work or school, leave the community and incur unplanned expenses.

Mr. Speaker, for what many take for granted in larger centres, many residents in the smaller communities must endure disruption in lifestyle, incur expenses, and leave their homes.

Attending school in a larger centre means a wider selection of education options, better programming, better facilities and specialized teachers. Because of lower enrolment levels, school budgets in smaller communities have fewer resources, which relates to limited or no classes in home economics, physical education and trade-related courses.

As well, Mr. Speaker, in smaller communities there are constant teacher issues, with a basic need for housing meaning a regular turnover of teaching staff, which ultimately impacts the quality of school programming.

What we take for granted here in the larger centres, with many education options for our students, those in smaller communities are continually asking the local district education authorities and the territorial government to improve school programming, to address enrolment and budget issues, and to resolve teacher housing issues. Mr. Speaker, for our smaller communities this is the norm.

Mr.

Speaker, unfortunately, in our smaller

communities we see higher rates of incarceration, higher rates of youth crime and higher rates of suicide. Also, the impact of substance abuse is more evident.

Access to needed professional counselling in smaller communities is limited and often not available due to constant challenges of attracting, hiring and retaining qualified professionals. Not having a system that attracts….

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Paul Delorey

Mr.

Beaulieu, your time for the

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mr.

Speaker, I

seek unanimous

consent to conclude my statement.

Unanimous consent granted.

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Access To Education, Health And Social Services In Small Communities

Members’ Statements

Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, colleagues. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr.

Speaker, access to needed professional

counselling in smaller communities is limited and often not available due to constant challenges of attracting, hiring and retaining qualified professionals and not having a system that attracts and retains local workers due to policy indifference.

Mr. Speaker, these basic everyday services are something that we all take for granted in the larger centres, but for many residents in our smaller communities, this is a reality. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Environment Week And Clean Air Day

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Mr.

Speaker, this is Environment

Week. As mentioned yesterday, it’s a time to acknowledge that each of us can and must do something to improve the environment.

There are many small ways that we can go about helping to save our environment — in our homes, in our workplaces, in our schools and in our communities.

We can lead the way through our actions and by encouraging others to help save the environment: to walk instead of drive, to use a cloth shopping bag instead of a plastic one, to shut off the computer when you are away from it instead of leaving it on, to turn off the lights when leaving a room.

It cannot be denied that our world is getting warmer, Mr. Speaker, Canada’s North especially. As a result of human activity we produce greenhouse gases that ultimately heat up our atmosphere, and it’s no secret, Mr. Speaker, that greenhouse gas emissions are a major factor affecting climate change. As a result, the average temperature in some regions could rise as much as seven degrees.

Wednesday, June 4, tomorrow, is Clean Air Day, a day to recognize how pollutants contribute to climate change and a day to start changing our behaviour.

The North is very lucky to have some of the cleanest air in the world, but that can easily change. As humans we put huge amounts of pollutants into the environment all day, every day, through heating our homes, generating electricity, driving our vehicles.

Tomorrow take action for clean air and climate change and leave your vehicle at home. Walk or

bike wherever you need to go — they are, after all, healthy, active alternatives to the car — or accept the offer of free transit from the City of Yellowknife and ride the bus. Whatever you do tomorrow, before you do it, think about the pollutants you will create and act to preserve our clean northern air.

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Environment Week And Clean Air Day

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Delays In Receiving Responses From Health And Social Services Minister

Members’ Statements

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Today I wanted to talk about the difficulty northern families have accessing services for their children who are diagnosed with autism. I’ve spoken to a number of them, and I’m really starting to understand their struggle. I can’t really talk about this today because I’m more than just struggling in the sense of understanding their issues. I’m struggling to get answers from the Minister of Health and Social Services . That’s what I want to talk about today.

A number of times I’ve written the Minister, and I find that things are really slow. I write a letter to find out about NHIB money and how much the GNWT is owed, especially in this crisis of trying to find money to pay our bills so we don’t have to lay off staff. It takes seven weeks before I get a response acknowledging that it’s still slow. It takes two extra weeks on top of that to finally get a response. That’s nine weeks to get an answer when we’re in a difficult position — when Members want to be proactive to find ways to help the government solve some of these financial crunches.

Speaking of that autism issue, I wrote the Minister over three weeks ago with just some simple questions, because I have parents struggling with this issue. I’m still waiting for those answers.

In March I’d written the Minister regarding multiple sclerosis coverage. I had a family come to me and say: We’re struggling; we have a potential drug that has a positive effect. Mr. Speaker, it took over three weeks to find out a yes-or-no answer for this question, which is: was this drug one we cover? By the way, three weeks later I found out it was. But a walk down that back corridor could have certainly helped this family. They were concerned why it would take over three weeks to get an answer.

At the end of April I wrote a letter — a supportive letter — because there is a family who is struggling with crack addiction. Although the answer didn’t come out the way I wanted it to — with ministerial support — it did take over a month to at least acknowledge my letter.

Mr.

Speaker, how are we to get back to our

constituents in a timely way? This is not just

happening to me. I’ve heard at least one other MLA speak to this as well. A staff member has told me that when they try to communicate and get information for MLAs to move forward on issues, this continues to be a problem. If it was a photo-op or it was a cutting of cake, I bet that Minister would be running down the hall to do this. The fact is that I need answers to do my job.

I will have questions for the Premier today regarding what he has expectations of as reasonable response times for Members to do their jobs.

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Delays In Receiving Responses From Health And Social Services Minister

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. Robert McLeod .

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Capital-Planning And Delivery Process

Members’ Statements

Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to use my Member’s statement today to speak to the comments that Minister Michael McLeod just laid before us.

I like to see that the government is finally starting to look at a lot of the infrastructure projects they have going on across the Northwest Territories. I like the fact that they’re going to try and get these program budgets passed in the fall so they’ll give contractors an opportunity to get all their material on the winter road and begin construction. We see every year the infrastructure carry-overs from one year to the next. I think that drives a lot of the cost of our infrastructure projects up.

One remark that stood out was the standardized designs. I like to see that. I like the fact that we may come up with a standardized design for a lot of our projects across the Northwest Territories, with a little tweaking here and there, and not making them big, multi-million-dollar works of art. I think it’s a good idea to get away from that. We’ve already seen examples of projects that have gone way over budget just because of the basic design of the buildings. There’s nothing wrong with a good, clean design that’s very functional. I think that’ll go a long way to improving the amount of money we spend on these infrastructure projects.

The level playing field is something I’ve always had an interest in. As a rule, Mr. Speaker, I don’t normally support negotiated contracts. I have gone against that rule a couple of times this year because I felt it was something that was beneficial to the North and the community in supporting these projects. I went against the rule I normally follow. I think that also drives the prices of some of our infrastructure projects up. A good example was a contract I saw for some work on the highway: $2.4

million for one five-kilometre stretch,

negotiated; $1.7 million for the five

kilometres

before it, publicly tendered. That’s a difference of $700,000.

I think we’re on the right track here. I like the fact that they will be looking into the designs. I think there will be a lot more competition. I hear from contractors all the time. Sometimes they feel like there is not a level playing field when they have to compete against the fact that some contracts are negotiated. To take advantage of some of these situations, they do try to partner up with some groups to get into negotiated contracts, because they feel that it’s their only opportunity to get any more work.

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Capital-Planning And Delivery Process

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Jacobson .

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Doctor Shortage In The Nunakput Constituency

Members’ Statements

Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I’m getting kind of frustrated with the health of my elders in Ulukhaktok. They haven’t seen a doctor since January of this year. It’s almost six months. I really feel this is an injustice for my people in my riding of Nunakput, in Tuk, Paulatuk and Sachs. I’m going to have questions for the Minister of Health at the appropriate time.

Thank you.

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Doctor Shortage In The Nunakput Constituency

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Jacobson . Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

I’d like to recognize a couple of constituents of mine in the gallery today. Roy Courtoreille is the regional vice-president for the UNW. Mr. Terry Rideout is in the gallery today. Welcome to the House.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Sahtu

Norman Yakeleya

Minister of Transportation

I’d like to recognize a constituent of mine, Mr.

Dudley Johnson from

Norman Wells. Welcome to the House.

I’d also like to recognize a former resident of Tulita, Mr. Mike Labine.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

I’d like to recognize a constituent and an advocate for fathers’ rights, Mr.

Mark

Bogan.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

I’m very pleased today to recognize and welcome a group of outstanding students from William McDonald School. These students basically had the best marks of any of their cohorts in social studies. That won them a trip to see us in action here at the Legislative Assembly. I’d like to mention

Jordan Drouin, Azya Barret,

Jordan Zoe, Curtis

Kenny, Janessa

Elanik, Harley Lang,

Julie Gourley,

Dylan Colbourne, Corinna Mount,

and Jeremy

Phung. Accompanying them are two staff members, Sharon Morrison and Stephen Offredi. Welcome.

Also, I’d like to recognize my constituency assistant, Kerry King.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

I’d like to recognize Mr. Mike Labine, the dear papa of Miss Nicole Labine, who is one of our pages this week; as well as Ms. Arture Chadwick from Fort Smith.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

If we’ve missed anyone in the gallery today, welcome to the Chamber. I hope you’re enjoying the proceedings. It’s always nice to have an audience in here.

Item 6, acknowledgments. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Acknowledgement 5-16(2) Elaine Doctor — Tulita

Acknowledgements

Sahtu

Norman Yakeleya

Minister of Transportation

Mahsi, Mr.

Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, the people of Tulita have always known Elaine Doctor as Tisha. She is known in the community of Tulita.

Tisha is a very committed worker. You’ll see her in the office early in the morning and, at times, late in the community arena volunteering her time to minor hockey and going the extra mile at times to help families in tragic events.

Elaine comes from a very strong family background, and her work is known beyond the people of the Sahtu region. She has dedicated all her time to serve her people in Tulita.

It gives me great pleasure today to rise in the House to acknowledge Elaine “Tisha” Doctor in appreciation of her contributions and her dedication to the Department of Health and Social Services when she retires this year after more than 31 years of service in the Sahtu region.

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Acknowledgement 5-16(2) Elaine Doctor — Tulita

Acknowledgements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Item 7, oral questions. The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 240-16(2) Stanton Territorial Hospital Deficit

Oral Questions

David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are for the Minister of Health and Social Services . It gets back to the six and a

half months that the government allowed Stanton Territorial Hospital to not pay FMBS back in the amount of $2 million every two weeks for a total of over $26 million. I’d like to ask the Minister why this has been allowed to continue for the past six and a half months.

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Question 240-16(2) Stanton Territorial Hospital Deficit

Oral Questions

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Ramsay. The

honourable Minister responsible for Health and Social Services , Ms. Lee .

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Question 240-16(2) Stanton Territorial Hospital Deficit

Oral Questions

Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As indicated earlier in answering questions on the same topic, it’s a generally accepted practice. For all health authorities and the departments, FMBS pays the payroll. It becomes accounts payable to authorities or departments on the day the payroll goes out. It really is strictly a cash-flow issue. The outstanding payroll does not have any direct relationship to the deficit situation at Stanton.

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Question 240-16(2) Stanton Territorial Hospital Deficit

Oral Questions

David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Up until six and a half months ago Stanton did pay back that $2 million FMBS paid in terms of payroll. I’m sure the other authorities also pay it back.

The Minister didn’t answer the question. I want to know why this has been allowed to happen and why this debt has been allowed to build up to $26 million over the past six and a half months.

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Question 240-16(2) Stanton Territorial Hospital Deficit

Oral Questions

Sandy Lee

Range Lake

I just want to make it clear for the record that when the Member is talking about accumulated deficit, he should not be adding $11.5

million accumulated deficit with the

outstanding payroll amount. The accumulated deficit of $11.5 million takes into consideration all of the outstanding receivables and payroll.

In terms of the question about why we’re letting this happen, nobody’s letting anything happen. The important question is that the government and the authority and everybody interested wants to know is what is causing the deficit situation, whether or not the organization is being underfunded, where there’s a need for rebasing, or whether we should be looking at different ways of delivering programs and doing a cost-in-program review, which is precisely what the authority and myself and the Cabinet are engaged in.

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Question 240-16(2) Stanton Territorial Hospital Deficit

Oral Questions

David Ramsay

Kam Lake

The $11.5 million of accrued deficit has happened at Stanton over the past three years. The $26 million that I’m talking about is the payroll over the past six and a half months that Stanton hasn’t been able to pay back to FMBS.

Again, I would like to ask the Minister: if Stanton is not paying the $2 million back to FMBS every two weeks, what are they spending that $2 million on? They’ve got to be spending it somewhere. Are things so messed up there at that hospital that they can’t pay this money back? Somebody’s got some

explaining to do. I’d like the Minister to explain that to me.

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Question 240-16(2) Stanton Territorial Hospital Deficit

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

The important situation is that Stanton has been accumulating a more significant deficit over the last three years. It has had a past operating deficit and surplus going back and forth, with the information I have going back to ’99. But it was in the last three years that there was a significant deficit accumulating, and it was incumbent on this government.... And I was sitting on the other side. I was asking the same questions, wanting to know why that is.

We are trying to figure out what it is so that we can take more clear and decisive action, and the public administrator who’s in place now is in the process of doing that. Then, of course, as soon as we can give a final report on that, I will be working with the Members on that. It’s a complex situation that we are looking into very rigorously.

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Question 240-16(2) Stanton Territorial Hospital Deficit

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms.

Lee. Final

supplementary, Mr. Ramsay .

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and I thank the Minister for that. The interesting thing in this is that the hospital went out and did a zero-base review just last spring. It came back with some recommendations. I find it really interesting that having gone through that zero–base review, they’ve had FMBS pay their payroll the last six and a half months. To me, there’s something wrong there.

I want to ask the Minister: will the Minister commit today to sitting down with Regular Members — if it’s the Social Programs Committee, so be it — and explaining to us what exactly is happening at Stanton and what exactly are the plans of the government to address this situation?

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Question 240-16(2) Stanton Territorial Hospital Deficit

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Mr. Speaker, from day one I’ve made it my operating principle that I consult with the Standing Committee on Social Programs on all that is going on, and especially with respect to Stanton.

Mr. Speaker, I have to make it clear that the zero-base review was not initiated by Stanton territorial authority. It was a joint effort on the part of Stanton territorial authority, the department and FMBS to get together and review all 53 programs to get to the bottom of what is the driver that is causing this deficit, understanding all of the environmental factors and the rising health costs and the demand-driven services that a hospital like Stanton territorial authority is offering. We have some very good data on that zero-base review.

The government has chosen not to address the financial issues until we get the answers. We’re very close to getting them. I have committed to the Standing Committee on Social Programs to go back to the findings of the zero–base review. I’d be

happy to give a full briefing on that and work with the committee and the Members as to the steps going forward.

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Question 240-16(2) Stanton Territorial Hospital Deficit

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 241-16(2) Delays In Receiving Responses From Ministers

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question today for the Premier of this House, and it has to do with my Member’s statement. I raised the issue of the fact that I have at least one Minister who’s not responding. I should also, at the same time, point out that I haven’t seemed to have any other problems with any other Minister about getting back to either e-mails or written letters.

The fact is that this is an issue, and I’d like to know what the Premier has as an expectation of a Minister getting back to a Member. My question for the Premier is: does he have any rules on this? Or does he have any sort of expectations regarding how long a Minister can allow e-mails or written letters to be outstanding?

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Hawkins. The

Hon. Premier , Mr. Roland .

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Thank you, Mr.

Speaker.

There’s no set guideline rule on timing to get back. We try and get back as soon as we’ve got all the information. It depends on the complexity of the file or the question, the details being required. If we have to work with health or educational authorities on those, that can take additional time. So it depends on what’s actually coming forward.

If there’s concern about a Minister’s conduct or dealings with Members, I would be glad to deal with the subject matter with the particular Member and Minister. If it means a joint meeting in my office, we can arrange something like that.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, I’d like to hear if the Premier thinks it’s reasonable that I had to wait nine weeks to find out what the NHIB number was. It only took me one day to go down to the principal secretary’s office to say that if I don’t get this answer, I’ll call a press conference to ask about what’s going on, on that side of the House. Does the Premier find that a reasonable time period to wait — nine weeks?

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Again, it depends on who you work with. If you have to go to the federal government to get that particular information.… The case may have been that the Member has gone down the hall, and that information may have been just provided to the Minister. The Minister could have provided that to the Member. I’m not sure of the particulars, when that information was actually

available. But as I said, if there are issues with the performance of a Minister with Members, I would gladly sit down with them and discuss the issue.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

We can go through this all day, but the bottom line — what I want to hear from the Premier — is: will he highlight this as a significant issue, that Ministers do their utmost to get back to Members in a timely way? I mean, we look terrible in front of a family that we want to get a simple answer for. We make this government look horrible when they want to find out what drug coverage there is for them for their family when they’re in trouble. Will the Premier make that clear to his Cabinet, that if there is a problem, they communicate that with Members immediately?

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Mr. Speaker, the fact is that with our relationship with Members in this format, we work cooperatively with them. Again, it depends on the complexity, if we have to make requests to other levels of government or boards and agencies. This particular case may be a little different. I would be glad to look into it. Again, the fact is that we try to work with Members on the information we get and to provide that as soon as we can. So with this particular case, I’d be happy to sit down with the Member and try to get more details and look into this.

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Question 241-16(2) Delays In Receiving Responses From Ministers

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Final supplementary, Mr. Hawkins .

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, that $100 million NHIB number was actually floating around out there. It’s in this building. There are discussions about it. So I don’t know about the lengthy research required to get it.

The fact is that it keeps coming back to this point. All I’m asking for is that the Premier will, first, maybe not come up with a hard, steadfast rule but communicate to his Cabinet that they are to respond as quickly as possible. If there are any problems there, they are to contact the Member’s office to make it clear that there are some hiccups, but they’re working on the problem. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Mr. Speaker, I’m prepared to talk to my Cabinet Ministers regarding timely responses. Again, if there are issues with any one of us on timely responses, I’d gladly sit down with them and go over the details and try to get to the bottom of it. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Roland. The

honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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Question 242-16(2) Adherence To Negotiated Contracts Policies

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Premier . It’s in regard to the policies and procedures we have in this government, especially in negotiated contracts. It’s clearly stated in the policy that in order to get to negotiations with government, whoever gets the contract must get support letters from the affected community and the MLA.

I have written letters in regard to projects in my riding, especially the roof on the school in Aklavik, a couple of housing projects — Fort McPherson, Tsiigehtchic — for the local development corporations. Again, Mr. Speaker, I don’t know if those letters have any influence on the government to basically negotiate with these individuals, but later to realize that these projects are showing up in newspapers in which they’re being publicly tendered….

I’d like to ask the Premier : exactly how much clout do these letters have in regard to Cabinet’s decision to negotiate those contracts with the individual contractors in my riding?

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The Hon. Premier , Mr. Roland .

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Question 242-16(2) Adherence To Negotiated Contracts Policies

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The negotiated contract is case by case, depending on the contract itself. If it’s part of a bundle, the process is there in the negotiated contract policy. When a contractor or a development corporation puts a request in to negotiate, then we require that a letter accompany that from the Member and the community, and they would be reviewed together.

The Minister responsible for that project would carry that forward for discussion in Cabinet to decide if that was the avenue to take. But it’s case by case. I’d have to sit down with the Member to find out which project it was and go through some of the details to see what the specifics were in that case.

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Question 242-16(2) Adherence To Negotiated Contracts Policies

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, just on that: for myself, I feel negotiated contracts are an integral way of stimulating the local economy by generating jobs and employment in a lot of our communities.

I’d like to ask the Premier : in light of the Gwich’in MOU, which clearly states that a percentage of those contracts…. We are trying to build capacity work with the First Nations. We do have an MOU with the Gwich’in Tribal Council, and I know these discussions have taken place annually.

I’d like to ask the Premier : is there a possibility for allowing more time to be spent before they make the decision, from the time a letter goes to the department and it’s publicly stated in the papers, so that at least as an MLA we’re aware that this

process has been changed? I don’t think there’s an avenue for that. I’d like to ask the Premier : is that something that Cabinet considered looking at?

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Mr.

Speaker, with the

changes we’re looking at doing in our infrastructure acquisition planning process, the more time we have at the front end will always help the whole number of cases. We also have to be aware that from time to time — again, case by case — if we have an emergency situation and so on, sometimes departments have to act right away. There are a number of projects that have happened there that have had to go on, but case by case we’ve looked at them. As well, there would be a capital-planning acquisition process, which was just discussed earlier. That would allow for more lead time to have that type of discussion. So hopefully, that will give more time in this process as well.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, again I’d like to ask the Premier : when a project of no social or economic value to a community has an MLA and a letter from the community to defer the project if we don’t see the benefits flowing to our communities, is there a possibility of deferring capital projects in a particular Member’s riding? If the Member and the community suggest it, knowing that there will not be any economic benefit or that contractors from outside are taking all the work, taking all the money and basically leaving us with the unemployment and not giving us the social and economic benefit for that, is that a possibility?

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Mr. Speaker, I think it’s the case that rarely have we had a request to defer or delay a project from a community. Usually there are concerns about the fact that we’re not able to proceed with them in a faster method or manner. In this case, the House has approved the budget. Initially those projects that were identified would normally go through the process of a public tender or an RFP. It is outside of that where we do go, for example, as the Member discussed, with the MOU, the memorandum of understanding, with the Gwich’in. We now also have one with the Sahtu, I believe.

We would look at projects and see if they would fit and if there’s a capacity to do those projects. We could consider deferral, but like I said, most times there’s concern we’re not moving fast enough on our projects.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Final supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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Question 242-16(2) Adherence To Negotiated Contracts Policies

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is in regard to service departments — Public Works, Housing and other departments that basically are putting out these tenders. Using Public Works as an example, I don’t know if they understand the MOU with the Gwich’in or if they don’t understand there’s a negotiating contract policy. That is, an MLA writes a letter that has some influence and is being told and having to tell a contractor, “Sorry; you didn’t get

back to us in enough time; we’re going to go forward with the contract,” with no allowable negotiating process.

So I’d like to ask the Premier : can he maybe talk to the Minister of Public Works and Services to ensure they understand there are policies, procedures and an MOU in place with the Gwich’in Tribal Council to ensure they are having a fair process that’s incumbent on those agreements?

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Mr. Speaker, all Ministers are aware of the MOU that we do have in place around negotiating a project. The Minister of Public Works and Services is very familiar with that. In fact, he sat down at the table, along with a number of other Ministers, to do an accounting of that, as we do every year. In fact, that one has just been renegotiated, if not signed off again. It is in that process, is my understanding. We’re familiar with that process, and we’ll stick to it. Again, the process is that normally when the budget’s approved, it is through a public process that we initially go down.

If the request comes in, then we look at deferring to the negotiated contract policy, and then the Member’s letter and community letters of support apply at that point. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Roland. The

honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 243-16(2) Culturally-Sensitive Social Workers And Social Work Policies

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I have questions for the Minister of Health and Social Services . In two small communities in my riding there are some issues with social work, child apprehensions and so on. I’d like to ask the Minister if she is willing to commit to reviewing and revising the department’s policies and procedures with an attempt to make them more small-aboriginal-community friendly. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Ms. Lee .

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

Thank you, Mr.

Speaker.

Perhaps I need to ask in more detail exactly the concerns of the Member. I could tell you that most of the people working in the department in that area are aware of the fact that they have to be mindful of the people they serve and the cultures of each community they do serve. But when there are specific situations that Members have, we are happy to look at them individually. If the Member could give me more information, I’d be happy to look into more details of that.

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, it would be difficult for me to stand up on the floor here and draw on a bunch of specifics, but I can provide those for the Minister easily.

What I’m trying to do is get some form of a commitment from the Minister to try to make the policies and procedures work in the small communities. It doesn’t seem to work. It appears that there are qualified people in the small communities who can take the kids of their relatives and their grandchildren and so on, yet the child ends up out of town. My position is that there’s something wrong with the policy; the policy doesn’t fit the small communities.

I’ll ask the question: would the Minister be prepared to work with the smaller communities and the smaller communities’ MLAs to look at specifics with an attempt to revise the policies and procedures that are more congruent with small communities?

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

Mr. Speaker, absolutely. That is the area that I’d been working on when I was on the other side, and it’s one that I’m committed to.

The principle that the department is supposed to follow is to keep the children in families as much as possible and in communities as much as possible. Mr. Speaker, the information I have for the Tu Nedhe constituency is that as of March 31 — but those facts do change — there are nine children in some type of care. Most of them, I can tell the Member, are within the community, within families or within extended families in the community. That is the policy of the department, and that’s the one we follow.

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Question 243-16(2) Culturally-Sensitive Social Workers And Social Work Policies

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mr.

Speaker, I’m beginning to

actually see what the problem is. I don’t think the policies have ever been brought to the communities. I’m not really a hundred per cent sure that even the qualifications of the social workers who are working in the communities need to be as high as they are. Some of the issues in the community are very simple issues that can be addressed by hiring local social workers. I’d like to ask the Minister if she would consider looking in another area: changing the qualifications of the social workers who are required to work in the small communities.

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

Mr. Speaker, I do agree with the Member. I hope I’m making it clear that wherever possible we do try to hire our people locally. We make our job descriptions and activities conducive to having people hired locally. I think members of the community of Fort Resolution especially are lucky in that they have quite a number of local people from that community who have been trained, who have worked elsewhere and who have come back, such as a nurse practitioner who has come back.

I do understand from my visit a month ago that some in the social workers’ pool were born and raised there but had moved away to pursue their…. I don’t want to get specific to individuals. Anyway, I want to tell the Member that I’m totally

committed to the concept of working under that principle.

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Question 243-16(2) Culturally-Sensitive Social Workers And Social Work Policies

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Final supplementary, Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 243-16(2) Culturally-Sensitive Social Workers And Social Work Policies

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is not for me to say that there are any specific problems with people working in-house in social services for the community. I guess my question is more in line with looking through the whole bureaucracy and the development side of the policy, looking at what is developed and where the basis of that type of policy originates. I don’t have a question. I was just looking at the policy. That’s what I am asking about. Thank you.

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Question 243-16(2) Culturally-Sensitive Social Workers And Social Work Policies

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

I will commit to work with the Member to see how our policies can be more community-friendly.

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Question 243-16(2) Culturally-Sensitive Social Workers And Social Work Policies

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Question 244-16(2) Yellowknife Association Of Concerned Citizens For Seniors

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr.

Speaker. My

questions are for the Minister of Health and Social Services . If you don’t mind, I’ll harken back to my Member’s statement on Friday, when I talked about some of the forced-growth costs of the Yellowknife Association of Concerned Citizens for Seniors in their territorial facility, Aven Manor. I am wondering if there is something the Minister, through her department and her health authorities, could do to try and meet those costs that are rising each year and have not been met for the last two years.

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Question 244-16(2) Yellowknife Association Of Concerned Citizens For Seniors

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The honourable Minister responsible for Health and Social Services , Ms. Lee .

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Question 244-16(2) Yellowknife Association Of Concerned Citizens For Seniors

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The YACCS that the Member referred to in his Member’s statement last Friday has benefited from extra funding from the government. I think it’s common knowledge that they had a collective bargaining settlement last year. It was necessary to increase the funding to adhere to that, and the government provided that extra funding. I think it’s in this year’s budget to build that in.

As for the forced-growth situation that the Member is referring to, my information is that they had applied to Yellowknife Housing and Social Services Authority, and they have approved that forced-growth funding within their budget for the last two years. The authority was able to provide that extra funding.

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Question 244-16(2) Yellowknife Association Of Concerned Citizens For Seniors

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, perhaps the Minister has different or other information than mine. I believe her assistant attended a meeting where we were given a paper from YACCS saying they

had applied for $38,000 two fiscal years ago, and it was declined. Last year, again, $83,000 was declined for cost-of-living increases and so on. So I wonder if the Minister could look into that a little further and perhaps find out about that. I’ll leave it at that.

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Question 244-16(2) Yellowknife Association Of Concerned Citizens For Seniors

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Mr. Speaker, I’d be happy to look into it to make sure that we’re talking about the same numbers. My understanding is that they were approved for the funding. We do need to understand that the NGOs apply funding to their governing authority, and the authority has the power and the flexibility to fund those monies. Even within these difficult times we have been able to maintain the NGO funding level at least at the way it is. My understanding is that YACCS got the money, but I will confirm that and get back to the Member.

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Question 244-16(2) Yellowknife Association Of Concerned Citizens For Seniors

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, I just wanted to make clear that I think I heard the Minister say that they were getting a flat level of funding, and I certainly want to emphasize that that’s not what I’m talking about. They need additional funding, just as we approve for every activity, for the increased price of fuel and labour and so on. I understand they did get a collective bargaining agreement, which was good progress. But this, I think, deals with things like rising fuel costs and so on. So if that could be part of the investigation. I thank the Minister for those remarks.

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Question 244-16(2) Yellowknife Association Of Concerned Citizens For Seniors

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Bromley. The

honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 245-16(2) Western Harvesters Assistance Program

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. My questions are for the Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment . With regard to the hunters and trappers programming, I’ve got harvester constituents, and they’re having difficulty accessing programs to get into the…. I believe the government has a program to help in purchasing snowmobiles and the new traps so that they can expand their harvesting. I just want to ask the Minister: what is the name of that program? Thank you.

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Question 245-16(2) Western Harvesters Assistance Program

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Menicoche. The

honourable Minister responsible for Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Bob McLeod .

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Question 245-16(2) Western Harvesters Assistance Program

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m very pleased to report that trapping remains an important source of cash income for many people in the Northwest Territories, especially in the smaller communities. It allows people to practise a way of life and also to maintain a connection to the land. The name of the program that the Member is

asking about is the Western Harvesters Assistance Program. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 245-16(2) Western Harvesters Assistance Program

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much for that very, very straight answer. Just in terms of accessing Western Harvesters Assistance Program, Mr. Speaker, where does the constituent go to apply for that program? Is it to the department or is it to some other local organization?

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Question 245-16(2) Western Harvesters Assistance Program

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

The Western Harvesters Assistance Program is probably one of our most successful programs. It was established about ten years ago with $15 million allocated to the program to be spent on a matching basis with community organizations. To date, $14 million of that $15 million program has been extended and matched successfully by most organizations. There’s about $1 million left to be distributed. Generally, the uptake is by the local aboriginal governments who would apply, and we would confirm matching funds.

Then they would establish a program for harvesters to be able to access funds for buying Ski-doos, quads, what have you. In the Deh Cho we’ve been working recently with some of the communities whereby individuals who are receiving residential school payments can apply to their local band and purchase Ski-doos. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 245-16(2) Western Harvesters Assistance Program

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

This year was a particularly good year in terms of many of our trappers who did end up in the residential school system, and they did have access to some extra bonus income. I had a couple of constituents who had problems accessing the Western Harvesters Assistance Program, Mr. Speaker. But just once again, where are the guidelines and procedures that constituents can access and further need to understand? Thank you.

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Question 245-16(2) Western Harvesters Assistance Program

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

All renewable resources offices would have this information. And to be certain, the regional superintendent of ITI would have that information, or we could contact his office. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 245-16(2) Western Harvesters Assistance Program

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

McLeod. Final

supplementary, Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 245-16(2) Western Harvesters Assistance Program

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just in terms of our government, do we use our new SEED program, the support for entrepreneur economic development program, to assist trappers in this regard as well, Mr. Speaker?

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Question 245-16(2) Western Harvesters Assistance Program

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

That would be something that I’d have to check into. I would expect that in order to do so it would have to be organized in the form of a business venture.

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Question 245-16(2) Western Harvesters Assistance Program

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

McLeod. Oral

questions. The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Jacobson .

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Question 246-16(2) Doctor Shortage In Nunakput Constituency

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is for the Minister of Health . Can the Minister provide me an update on the doctor shortage in my riding of Nunakput?

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Question 246-16(2) Doctor Shortage In Nunakput Constituency

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Jacobson. The

honourable Minister responsible for Health and Social Services , Ms. Lee .

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Question 246-16(2) Doctor Shortage In Nunakput Constituency

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There were extraordinary issues the last time we met, where out of the four physicians that are responsible for the Beaufort-Delta region, a number of them were on leave at the same time. That was not due to planning. So there were some extraordinary situations. But as of, I believe, the end of March the complement there is back to normal with locum coverage.

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Question 246-16(2) Doctor Shortage In Nunakput Constituency

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

I need to know in regard to an immediate solution to try to provide the doctor services in my community. It’s been six months.

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Question 246-16(2) Doctor Shortage In Nunakput Constituency

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

I believe there are six physician positions allocated for Beaufort-Delta. They have never been able to hire all six. We have about four, and we have to then use locum services for that. This is obviously a very crucial issue. It’s an issue that I actually brought up in our teleconference in the Western Health Ministers meeting last Friday. It’s one that I want to bring forward to a Ministers’ table for all Ministers. We are planning on meeting in September.

At home I want to look at the different staffing models for doctors, but that’s not going to be ready for presentation to the Members until the next business planning session, because it’s something that I’m working on and I have not finalized. I agree with the Member that this is something that we need to take some drastic action on, or at least come up with a different staffing model as to how we can address that.

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Question 246-16(2) Doctor Shortage In Nunakput Constituency

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

I’d like to invite the Minister to visit my riding of Nunakput to hear this first-hand from my constituents and the dissatisfaction with what the government is providing.

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Question 246-16(2) Doctor Shortage In Nunakput Constituency

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

I appreciate that the Member wants me to come and visit his riding. He did extend that invitation before last session, and I was not able to come. I would be happy to do that and to work with the community and the leadership and the people about how best to address this issue.

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Question 246-16(2) Doctor Shortage In Nunakput Constituency

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 247-16(2) Reductions Of Energy Costs And Consumption

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr.

Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I’m not sure who my questions are for. We have stated in this House that the cost of living in the North may well be the biggest issue that