Budget, Health and Social Services, Cost Of Living — 8 September 1999 (13th Assembly, 8th Session, pp. 19–39)

1999-09-08, 13th Assembly 8th Session, pp. 19–39

Northwest Territories — Debates (Hansard)

Budget, Health and Social Services, Cost Of Living — 8 September 1999 (13th Assembly, 8th Session, pp. 19–39)

1999-09-08, 13th Assembly 8th Session, pp. 19–39

Northwest Territories — Debates (Hansard)

Debates of Sept. 8th, 1999

This is page numbers 19 - 39 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 8th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was nurses .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Nursing Compensation

Concerns Of Giant Mine Employees

Concerns Of Giant Mine Employees

Expansion Of Inuvik Natural Gas Conversion Program

Recycling Program For Beverage Containers

Concerns Of Giant Mine Employees

Commissioner's Awards Ceremonies In Nunakput

Dogrib Land Claim Agreement-in-principle

Concerns Of Giant Mine Employees

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Role Of Nursing Mentors

Natural Gas Conversion Project Expansion

Pay And Benefits To Medical Professionals

Addressing Potential Doctor Shortage

Beverage Container Recycling Legislation

Property Values In Mackenzie Delta

Tobacco Addiction Among Northerners

Recruitment Of A Territorial Librarian

Projected Budget Shortfall Update

Mackenzie Delta Forest Fire Concerns

Location Of Nursing Mentor Positions

Wages Of Alcohol And Drug Workers

Item 12: Reports Of Committees On The Review Of Bills

Tabled Document 3-13(8): Workers' Compensation Board, 1998 Annual Report

Tabled Document 4-13(8): Letters From Constituents Regarding School Funding Levels

Item 17: First Reading Of Bills

Bill 2: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1999-2000

Bill 3: Legislative Assembly And Executive Council Act

Bill 2: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1999-2000

Bill 3: Legislative Assembly And Executive Council Act

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Erasmus , Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Honourable Michael Miltenberger , Mr. Morin , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Rabesca , Honourable Floyd Roland , Honourable Vince Steen .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 19

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Good afternoon. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Roland .

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Minister's Statement 4-13(8): Nursing Compensation

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 19

Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is a pleasure to be able to report to you today that we have successfully negotiated an agreement with the Union of Northern Workers to provide a temporary market supplement to nurses.

--Applause

In our 1999-2000 budget, the Government of the Northwest Territories identified $3 million specifically for nurse recruitment and retention. This funding was made available because the government realized that the national and international shortage of nurses is seriously affecting our ability to attract and retain nurses and needed to be addressed directly.

A consultation process with stakeholders was established to decide the best way to use this additional money. This stakeholders group included representatives of the Union of Northern Workers, the NWT Registered Nurses Association, health and social services boards, the Financial Management Board Secretariat and the Department of Health and Social Services.

These stakeholders worked hard to reach an agreement on how best to distribute the nursing supplement. It is very much to their credit that we were able to reach an agreement in such a short time frame and I would like to congratulate them on their work. Having this agreement in place means that approximately 270 indeterminate nurses employed by health and social services boards and related agencies will be eligible to receive temporary market supplements into the year 2000. Full and part-time indeterminate nurses will begin receiving it within the next few weeks. Boards and agencies recruiting nurses will also begin offering their new hires the recruitment incentive this month.

Part of the funding will also be used to hire three full-time nurse mentors who will provide additional support and mentoring to nurses in the field. This additional professional support and salary supplement will certainly help make the Northwest Territories more competitive in recruiting new nurses.

Mr. Speaker, because of the increasing competition for nurses, the Government of the Northwest Territories has reviewed compensation levels for northern nurses. A study of nursing salaries across the country showed that general duty and community health nurses in the NWT receive the highest base salary of nurses in Canada. This does not take into account benefits offered by various jurisdictions. However, when we included benefits in our calculations and adjusted for the cost of living, we found that our compensation levels were still very competitive.

I have spoken before of the vital role that nurses play in the NWT health and social services system. Attracting and retaining competent nurses is critical to the viability of our health care system.

To address this, the department, in partnership with the boards and professional associations, has developed a recruitment and retention strategy designed to attract, and provide support to, health and social services workers. This strategy is being implemented and is starting to yield positive results. In May we were experiencing a vacancy rate among all nurses of 20 percent. Today, I am pleased to be able to report that this rate is down to 10 percent. However, our greatest difficulty still lies in attracting and retaining community health nurses and we will be continuing to focus special attention on this issue.

Mr. Speaker, financial compensation is only one part of the recruitment and retention picture. To retain our northern nurses, they must know they are valued members of the system and of the community. We can all play a role in retaining nurses by recognizing them, at every opportunity, for the valuable contribution they make in our communities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 4-13(8): Nursing Compensation

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 19

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Member's Statement 6-13(8): Concerns Of Giant Mine Employees

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 19

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, last night the Yellowknife MLAs held a constituency meeting. About 250 people turned out. I would say that the majority were concerned with the future of Giant Mine. There were probably 150 employees from Giant Mine accompanied by members of their families at the meeting. Mr. Speaker, it was difficult not to

be moved by the words expressed by Yellowknife residents and constituents, some as young as 13 years old, who do not want to leave the North.

Mr. Speaker, people who spoke at the meeting last night talked about the cost to employees of Giant Mine and their families with the loss of jobs. The cost to other businesses in the North and the cost in lost revenues in transfer payments to this government and the effect that might have on us.

Mr. Speaker, I hope that we can find another solution to the Giant Mine situation. One that will better deal with the environmental liabilities. One that will better protect the employees and one that will improve on the total number of jobs that will be offered to Giant Mine employees. Mr. Speaker, I agreed along with others in the meeting to meet and work with the union to see if together we can find such a solution. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 6-13(8): Concerns Of Giant Mine Employees

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 20

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Member's Statement 7-13(8): Concerns Of Giant Mine Employees

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 20

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, like Mr. Dent , I would like to speak on the meeting that we had last night. A constituency meeting. There were other concerns, but the main concern was the Giant Mine employee situation and of course it was one where the employees are concerned about succession, pensions and separation pay. Of course the criteria and the important area for them is continued employment. We heard a lot of speakers last night who passionately spoke about their concerns. We were certainly very concerned ourselves as Members of this Legislature about this. Following that meeting, Mr.

Speaker, today, it was agreed last night that we would hold a meeting today with a group of people, with union representation and with Members from this Legislature, the Yellowknife MLAs, and the City of Yellowknife. We did come to some agreement to do follow-up work immediately on that and hopefully, from there, there will be some encouraging light at the end of the tunnel.

It is certainly a difficult situation. It is one that affects a lot of employees for our community, close to 300. We can look at it in terms that there will be at least 300 more employees affected. The news is coming at a very late juncture. We are all trying to grapple with the situation and trying to work as hard as we can to reach some solutions to this. Like Mr. Dent , I am hoping that at the end of the day we do find some solutions for families.

There were some young people who came forward last night stating that they would like to stay in this community, but if their parents do not have work, they have a fear that they might have to move where there is work. There was a very passionate plea for us to do something about it. We are working on that, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 7-13(8): Concerns Of Giant Mine Employees

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 20

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Krutko .

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Member's Statement 8-13(8): Expansion Of Inuvik Natural Gas Conversion Program

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 20

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my statement today is regarding the Inuvik Natural Gas Project that is now on line. I would like to congratulate the Inuvialuit Petroleum Corporation and also the Inuvialuit for taking on such an initiative of enhancing the oil and gas industry in the Beaufort. It has been quite a few years since any development has taken place in that area. It has been some time since we have taken advantage of our natural resources that we do have to better the lives of people of the Mackenzie Delta and also of Inuvik.

Regarding the gas pipeline and the benefits that it offers and the possibilities of converting over from diesel fuel to natural gas, to eventually bringing down the price of fuel in the Inuvik region. In Aklavik, Mr. Speaker, my constituency pays almost a dollar per liter of gas. In other areas that complain that gas prices are too high, like Yellowknife, yet when you pay a dollar a liter it is very expensive for the people in the community of Aklavik and other isolated communities.

I would also like to ask the Minister and this government to expand the program that they deliver to the community of Aklavik, Fort McPherson, Tsiigehtchic, Tuktoyaktuk and other communities in the Beaufort Delta, to be able to take advantage of the cheap cost of fuel, especially natural gas. There is talk about expanding the pipeline to Yellowknife.

I think before we even think of leaving the Beaufort region, let us do something for the region that is presently finely feeling what it is like to have some economic opportunity, and also benefit the region as a whole, before we consider exporting our natural resources that are making the lives better for the people who live where those resources come from.

Mr. Speaker, at the appropriate time I will be asking questions to the Minister regarding the possibility of expanding the program that is presently being delivered in Inuvik for conversion so that the other communities surrounding Inuvik can take advantage of converting from diesel fuel to natural gas which would mean savings to everyone and improve the lives of the people in the Mackenzie Delta. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 8-13(8): Expansion Of Inuvik Natural Gas Conversion Program

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 20

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Member's Statement 9-13(8): Recycling Program For Beverage Containers

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 20

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yesterday, during oral questions, I brought to the attention of the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development the need for a recycling program for beverage containers in the Northwest Territories. The Minister indicated willingness to do a paper outlining the different elements that would be necessary to start major recycling effort.

The less we put into the landfill sites, the fewer problems we will face down the road.

Mr. Speaker, the transportation system in the NWT is sufficiently developed to permit the return of recyclable beverage containers. With the exception of a few communities, all are reachable by winter road or the regular highway system. For the exceptions, barge services are usually available. With cooperation from transportation companies and local governments I am sure solutions would be easily realized.

Mr. Speaker, any system we implement for the return of non-alcoholic beverage containers will be better than what we have presently. It may require money now but will save the environment and cost to future generations of Northerners. Mr. Speaker, for the record, I raised this issue yesterday and today on behalf of a constituent in Hay River who is interested in being a proponent for a facility to handle these containers in Hay River. I would appreciate any assistance to that potential proponent from the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 9-13(8): Recycling Program For Beverage Containers

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 21

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Henry .

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Member's Statement 10-13(8): Concerns Of Giant Mine Employees

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 21

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My colleague, Mr. Dent , I noticed talked earlier about the constituency meeting that the Yellowknife MLAs had in the Great Hall last night and I would like to continue and add some of the points that I noted at that meeting.

The vast majority, as was mentioned, of the constituents at the meeting were Giant employees who were very concerned about the potential of losing their jobs, security and also pensions that they worked so hard for. For about two and one-half hours, the four MLAs from Yellowknife listened to the union officials and family members and concerned constituents about their fears of losing up to 300 jobs in our community because of a deal being negotiated with Price Waterhouse Coopers and Miramar Con Mine to potentially take over the Giant Mine.

Yesterday afternoon union officials were advised by Price Waterhouse Coopers that rumors of Miramar takeover of the Giant Mine are official. Last night we heard the many pleas for help and direction from the people of our community soon to be affected if this takeover proceeds. Unfortunately, Mr. Speaker, we MLAs felt powerless to provide any concrete direction to the employees of Giant, nor were we able to offer any assurances that this government has any jurisdiction to intervene in the negotiating process. DIAND officials should have been the ones hearing the voices of the people here last night.

These constituents came to us for help and guidance and we were powerless to offer anything that would reassure them that help was on the way.

How easy it would have been to have officials with responsibility and jurisdiction meet with these employees if these officials were in Yellowknife. Instead, Mr. Speaker, the people in the driver's seat are sitting in Ottawa behind their bureaucracy of the federal government. This again, is another example of why we need to have control and responsibility in the North. As MLAs we are certainly limited in what we can do and this was displayed last night. As much as we may want to help in an economic crisis of this magnitude, our hands are pretty well tied. DIAND had better heed what is going on.

Not only can Yellowknife not afford to lose 300 jobs, the entire Territory will surely feel the effects as well, if the fear of those lost jobs come to pass.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Member's Statement 10-13(8): Concerns Of Giant Mine Employees

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Yellowknife South is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Henry , you have unanimous consent.

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Member's Statement 10-13(8): Concerns Of Giant Mine Employees

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker and thank you colleagues. The meeting last night surely provoked my fellow MLAs, as it did me, to take whatever action we can to assist the Giant Mine workers whose fate is uncertain at this time. We have agreed to explore other options in their favour and I am confident that this government will support any viable solution to this crisis situation. We cannot afford to lose these people from our community, nor can the community absorb the impact of the Giant Mine closing. Mr. Speaker, I thank you for the time. I certainly will be working toward ensuring that the employees of Giant Mine are as well looked after as this government can possibly do. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 10-13(8): Concerns Of Giant Mine Employees

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Steen .

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Member's Statement 11-13(8): Commissioner's Awards Ceremonies In Nunakput

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 21

Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, on behalf of my constituents in Nunakput, I take the opportunity to thank the Commissioner of the Northwest Territories, the Honourable Dan Marion, for taking the time to tour the riding of Nunakput during the week of September 1, this year.

Mr. Speaker, many elders and members of the public took

part in the Commissioner's Award ceremonies in each community. As the Commissioner indicated to this House yesterday, five elders were recognized for their contribution toward the betterment of their respective communities and the Inuvialuit culture as a whole.

I wish to recognize and thank the mayors, councillors and recreation staff in the communities of Sachs Harbour, Holman, Paulatuk and Tuktoyaktuk for organizing these events and for contributing the use of the facilities and supplying the refreshments and food for the feast. Finally, I wish to thank the public who came out in support of the Commissioner's Awards program. Judging by the turnout in each community, the Elders' Awards Program is very popular and I am sure everyone looks forward to future awards of this nature. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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Member's Statement 12-13(8): Dogrib Land Claim Agreement-in-principle

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 22

James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as you are well aware, on August 9, the Dogrib Nation along with the federal and territorial governments signed the agreement-in-principle. That basically spells out what will be in the final agreement that will be signed in due course. This AIP is very significant for my people. It establishes the perimeters of the final land claims settlement, as well as establishes the framework for continued discussions and the realization of self-government.

To get to this stage in the process all three parties have worked extremely hard to provide the people with an agreement that everyone can live by. For my people it is the realization of many years of work as well as a new hope for the future. This agreement will allow the Dogrib region the ability to govern its own affairs and hopefully provide better services and a better life for the members of my region. It is the first agreement in Canada that combines the stability of the land claim settlement and the idea of self-government into one document. I believe this will be a model for other agreements to come in the future.

Over the next couple of years, while the final agreement is being completed, I hope that all parties will continue to work together and ensure the final agreement is the best possible agreement we could provide for our people.

There will be many important events that take place between now and the signing of the final agreement and through this all, change will happen. However, because we now have four areas of our Territory that have completed the settlement process, it also brings much stability to the NWT as a whole.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .

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Member's Statement 13-13(8): Concerns Of Giant Mine Employees

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Like my fellow colleagues from Yellowknife I wish to comment on our constituency meeting yesterday. As has been indicated, the primary topic was the imminent sale of Giant Mine to Miramar and what the consequences of that sale could be. The employees have been given a reprieve of 15 days to put together some type of a deal whereby there could be an alternative to Miramar buying that mine.

The thing that people are primarily concerned about is that if Miramar is successful in their bid, the vast majority of the workers would be laid off since a lot of the work would be consolidated and only some of the workers would be kept on, perhaps as few as fifty. Apparently this is a condition of the sale to the mine, that the employees do not come with the sale. The problem is how do you ensure that employees still get their pensions that they have worked so hard for and how do they get the severance pay that they are entitled to in their contracts?

The other thing that was brought up is the Emergency Gold Mining Assistance Act under which the federal government can implement a minimum rate for gold. This apparently has been used in other instances, I believe at the mine in Timmins, and we should probably be looking at the federal government to utilize this act.

The other thing we need to do is try to ensure that there is enough time for the union to put together some type of a deal to purchase this mine other than Miramar's purchase. Otherwise we will be looking at a lot of layoffs. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Member's Statement 13-13(8): Concerns Of Giant Mine Employees

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Yellowknife North is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do I have any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Erasmus , you have unanimous consent.

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Member's Statement 13-13(8): Concerns Of Giant Mine Employees

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, colleagues. Mr. Speaker, as I was saying, I believe that it is incumbent on this government to try to assist the workers in getting an extension on the 15 days that they have been given to put together some type of a deal.

The other thing that was clearly, clearly evident, is that the general public is not really aware of how powerless we are in this situation and in most instances when it comes to the federal government. The federal government, as we know, holds the power in most areas and we most often have to ask them for information to do certain things and if they feel like doing it they do, if they do not, they do not. But the general public does not seem to be aware of this. This is one of the main reasons, as Mr.

Henry has indicated, why we have to work on getting our natural resources and the power to control them, transferred to the North. With that, Mr. Speaker, I thank you for your indulgence and I thank our Members for allowing me to conclude my statement.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 13-13(8): Concerns Of Giant Mine Employees

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr.

Steen.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize a Department of Transportation employee, Mr. Curtis Mercredi. Just a few weeks ago in early August, Curtis won the title of National Grand Champion at the National Airport Truck Rodeo competition held this year at Vancouver National Airport.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 23

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you and congratulations. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is a privilege today to recognize the new president of the Union of Northern Workers, Georgina Rolt-Kaiser. I dedicated my Member's statement to Georgina yesterday. I wish she would have been here to hear it, but it is wonderful to have her here today. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Congratulations again. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Henry .

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize in the gallery today, Mrs. Dolly Ablitt, who is the newly elected regional vice-president of the North Great Slave region of the Union of Northern Workers. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize a respected senior and an old friend of mine in the gallery, Mr. Ed Jeske. I would also like to recognize Curtis's mother, Audrey Mercredi.

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Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I do not have an opportunity to recognize my constituents too often here since some of them are in small remote communities. I would like to recognize Ralph Sanguez from Trout Lake and sitting next to him is Malcolm MacPhail from Yellowknife.

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Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Premier stole some of my thunder, but I was going to recognize as well a former Fort Smith resident and schoolmate and somewhat older, Mr. Malcolm MacPhail, now a resident of Yellowknife. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize someone who I have worked with when I was in the territorial government many years ago and she has been a dedicated worker with the Union of Northern Workers here in the North, Josie Gould.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize the president of the Gwich'in Tribal Council and past member of this Legislative Assembly, Mr. Richard Nerysoo.

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Question 9-13(8): Role Of Nursing Mentors

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I was very pleased to hear the Minister of Health and Social Services , the Honourable Floyd Roland , with his statement today that they have reached an agreement on how they are going to use the $3 million for recruitment and retention. I do have a couple of questions in regard to the statement. He said that part of the funding will be used to hire three full-time nurse mentors who will provide additional support and mentoring to nurses in the field. Perhaps he could describe what that role is and what kind of people they will be using in those positions? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the three positions the department has discussed are to help some of our nurses that are coming through the program that the college here in the Territories is offering, and provide the necessary training in the communities and prepare nurses for becoming community nurses. We are doing that in order to help some of the nurses that are new to the Northwest Territories and new nurses overall just coming into the nursing career and profession.

We are trying to make the transition as smooth as possible to make sure they maintain confidence while in the North and feel that they are supported in doing their work in the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is where will these nurse mentors be located in the Northwest Territories? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I do not have that information available at this time. I will provide it to the Members once I have that information. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in assessing the problem of recruitment and retention, what attention was paid to the issue of housing for nurses in the Northwest Territories? I think that everyone knows that during the life of this Assembly, a move was made to sell off government housing units which were used for teachers and nurses. I would like to know what attention was paid to the issue of accommodation in relation to recruitment and retention? Thank you.

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Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there were a number of areas that were looked at through this group that I mentioned in my Minister's statement, and in negotiation with the Union of Northern Workers, Financial Management Board Secretariat and the Department of Health and Social Services and the boards, we looked at the best way of taking these dollars that were given to us and getting the best benefit from those. We believe that we have done that with the proposal that has been accepted and that will be implemented in a marketing supplement.

The areas were looked at as well, I am sure there were a number of areas, one is housing, one was VTAs, a lot of areas were looked at. As you know, the decision of this government early on in the life of this Assembly was made to remove itself from staff housing. We have not looked at going back into that area. That is one of the reasons that it has not been included. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Krutko .

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Question 10-13(8): Natural Gas Conversion Project Expansion

Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development . It is regarding the Natural Gas Conversion Project in Inuvik. I would like to thank the Minister and his department for helping the Inuvialuit and the Beaufort Delta regions for making this become a reality. I would like to ask the Minister if there is a possibility of expanding the program that he presently is assisting to include the outlying communities in the Mackenzie Delta and especially the communities of Aklavik, Fort McPherson and Tsiigehtchic.

Can the Minister see if there is a possibility of also extending the conversion grants to cover the cost to convert to natural gas for diesel fuel? This would allow us to have cleaner burning fuel and also help deal with the problem of the ozone depletion. I would like to ask the Minister, is there a possibility of expanding this program to other communities in the Mackenzie Delta? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Resource, Wildlife and Economic Development, Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The problem would be the same as it would in other communities, we must ensure that a supply of natural gas could be delivered to the communities at an economical rate. If we could do that, then of course the government would be able then to consider helping with the capital cost of converting to natural gas. My understanding at this time, is that it is not economical to ensure that a supply of natural gas would be available to the other communities in the Mackenzie Delta. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister if he would consider looking at the possibility of a study to see what those cost savings will be? We are only talking, in case of transportation cost of driving to Inuvik from Fort McPherson and Tsiigehtchic, which is a two hour drive, in order to require your natural gas either bringing it in by bulk truck. Converting your furnaces to natural gas would be just a matter of converting your fuel system to a natural gas system. Will the Minister consider looking at seeing if that is feasible in light of the pipeline now going into Inuvik and natural gas being sold there? Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would be prepared to look at that. Thank you.

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Question 11-13(8): Pay And Benefits To Medical Professionals

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 25

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are for the Minister of Health and Social Services . My questions are in relation to the Minister's statement on paying benefits to medical professionals in the Northwest Territories. Mr. Speaker, in the Minister's statement he had indicated that they had put together a group of stakeholders to decide what to do with the $3 million for the Recruitment and Retention Program. He also indicated that the government, or somebody had done a study which showed that NWT nursing salaries were the highest based salaries of nurses in Canada.

Once they looked at the benefits they found that our compensation levels were still very competitive. Mr. Speaker, I would suggest that given the fact that we have the highest cost of living in Canada, it is natural that we should have the highest based salary. Not only the highest based salary, it should be substantially higher than anybody else. Mr. Speaker, I would like the Minister to indicate now, when he says we found our compensation levels were still competitive, could he describe that a little bit more fully so we get a better picture? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there is a lot of detail accompanied with the answer that I could give the Member, but I know, just in the short of it, when we look at wages dollar for dollar, we were, in most jurisdictions or compared to most jurisdictions, doing quite well, but when you threw the benefits in, then we drop somewhat. It depends on the level of the nurse, how many years experience, if she is working at a community health centre or working at a regional hospital. There are a number of factors taken into that, but I can provide the Member with more of that information if he would like to do so at a later date. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Perhaps I could rephrase my question. When you factor in the cost of living in the Northwest Territories, do we still have the highest rates of compensation of the nurses in Canada? Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the changes or the comparison that was done was based on wages and benefits. I do not believe the cost of living in different jurisdictions have come into that. Definitely, we agree that we need to be paying our nurses more and that is what we have done with the program or this market supplement. We see the shortage and we are already facing the difficulty of bringing new nurses into the Territories and we are trying to enhance more northern people to get involved in the nursing program so we know we have to be very competitive. Especially in light of cost of living and remoteness that many of our nurses work in. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister had also indicated in his statement that in May, we were experiencing a vacancy rate among all nurses of 20 percent but that now the rate is down to 10 percent. I was wondering if the Minister could indicate what level of experience do those new nurses have because I understand that, in the past, we have had inexperienced nurses going into communities and they have been medevacing a lot of people that perhaps should not have been medevaced and this was driving up our costs in this area. Could the Minister indicate what level of experience these 10 percent of nurses have that we have hired? Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, at the present time, I could not give you each nurse that we hired there, their ranking, years of history, work experience, and so on. But I believe that we have tried to recruit experienced nurses. Those that have less experience would not be put into, for example, community health stations, right off the start, we would like to have more experienced nurses in those centres. We know that there is much pressure put on those. That is one of the areas we are finding difficulties. Most of our vacancies that are occurring are in the smaller centres.

So we are trying to attract the staff that has the professional expertise and adequate experience to work in those situations. As mentioned on numerous occasions here and other forums, that we are having difficulty attracting those.

That is why this government and all of us, as well as Members from the other side have worked together to try and come up with a competitive package that will attract nurses to the North. I think we have gone that step and we are trying to show we can support them as much as possible. But as well, in my Minister's statement, I suggested, and I state, and I think we should be clear on that, the wages are one portion of our Recruitment Retention Program.

I think we all have duties, right from this level to the community level, to show the nurses, no matter if they are northern nurses or new nurses to the North, that we appreciate the work they do on behalf of us. Until we do that we are going to continue to find that we are going to have a hard time staffing these positions. A lot of times these nurses, whether they are from the north or from the south, have a fair bit of difficulty adjusting to working in the smaller centres and locations, and they need the support from the communities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am glad to hear that we are doing something to recruit and retain nurses, but equally as valuable, or maybe even more, are the doctors. I know that we are having a problem recruiting doctors here in Yellowknife, so I would like to know if the Minister, if this plan includes anything for recruiting and retaining doctors, as well?

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the area of doctors, we do know, and the department is working with the Medical Association and hoping to start dealing with the forecasting, we know we will run into problems. When you look at it on a per capita basis, there are a large number of doctors in the Northwest Territories, but we know that in the future we have doctors that are getting on with age or looking to retirement. We need to recruit and make sure we have the adequate level of service provided.

The department has been working with the Medical Association to try and deal with this issue before it becomes a crisis. Right now, the focus has been on nurses because we found ourselves right at the crisis point. We have had, as many of you have heard over the summer, a number of nursing stations or health centres in the smaller communities go on to emergency level of service because of the shortage of nurses. That is what we focused on with this program. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just to follow up on that question by Mr. Erasmus , in June we heard that there was a shortage of nurses here in Yellowknife to staff the emergency room at the Stanton Hospital. They did not have enough doctors available to staff it for around the clock and the size of the community, of course, demands that. Now Dr. King tells me there is a doctor shortage at Stanton this summer and it is an indicator of a larger problem. Apparently we have 78 physicians for 100,000 population and nationally it is at 98 physicians. That is a 20 percent difference. Dr.

King did a survey during the summer and he said that in the two regions of Yellowknife and Hay River, 12 long-term physicians have left the North in the past year and a half. The Canadian Medical Association is warning about a doctor shortage across the country. I heard the Minister's answer to the question, but I wonder if he could tell me if they will look at the situation of the need to address doctor shortages, or potential doctor shortages because, like the nurses' situation, it is a critical problem, but we also need to now address the doctor shortage.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I responded earlier to the previous question, the department is working with the Medical Association to try and come to grips with the growing concerns of doctor shortages in the Northwest Territories. As I stated earlier, we would not want to see it come to the situation we have with the nurses. We are trying to be a bit proactive here in dealing with that and trying to find ways of providing services that would not see a reduction in doctor services. We have undergone a number of areas of work that would see trying to address that in the future.

Some of it is working with boards. For example, we have in the Northwest Territories a number of private clinics. There is some discussion as to whether we should be focusing more on staff doctors and working along those lines. There has been some work done in Yellowknife, and I know in the community of Inuvik and I believe in Hay River as well, where there are a number of private clinics just seeing if we can try and come up with a program that is more suitable to the Northwest Territories and would still see us provide an adequate level of doctors here. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

I wonder if the Minister could tell me if that program that they are looking at would include an incentive program that perhaps is offered in other locations. Certainly in the states, they do offer incentives. I am wondering if that has been investigated. Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. At the present time, we have not gone to that level of looking at what we can do for the doctors in the sense of providing a supplement of that nature. I am aware that there was work ongoing within the department and Medical Association through the spring to try and come up with a deal that would be satisfactory to both parties. I do not have that information at my fingertips and if the Member wanted more information as to the results of that, I can provide that to the Member once I have that information from the department. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Yes, I would appreciate that, Mr. Speaker. Additionally, I wonder if the Minister could tell me if they are tracking the turnover of doctors. I heard him say earlier that he did not think there was a problem at the moment. Perhaps I heard incorrectly, but I wonder if the Minister could tell me if they have a program to track the doctor turnover. My statistics and my information indicate that we did have substantial turnover over the last year and a half.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I said earlier, the department has been working with the Medical Association to keep track of what is happening in the Northwest Territories. On a couple of different levels, again, I mentioned the clinics earlier. On the private clinic side, they seem to be maintaining the level of doctors they had in previous times and as ongoing. We have had some shortages in other areas, but when you throw in locums that are happening working under other doctor's supervision, we are managing to maintain right now an adequate level of service.

As I stated earlier, we are working with the Medical Association to try and ensure that we do not run into a situation as we have with nurses. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the last couple of days I have been speaking about the need for legislation for recycling of beverage containers in the Northwest Territories. My question is for Mr. Kakfwi . We are almost at the end of our term of office here, but it is impossible for any business to set up or to start this exercise rolling until there is legislation in place. Is it too late or would it be possible for the Minister to commit to his department taking the initiative to commence drafting a beverage container deposit system legislation. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will consider the request and advise Members of the viability of getting into the recycling business, as well as getting some advice, if there is necessary and appropriate legislation that could be looked at and put in place. Thank you.

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Question 14-13(8): Property Values In Mackenzie Delta

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of MACA . It is in regard to increased values of property in my riding. A lot of people feel that they have basically been over-assessed on their property values and that there is no real mechanism that was followed for consultation or how they came up with that number. I asked the department and the Minister to look at this and was told that the municipalities were the ones that set the value of those properties.

I was unable to find any motions by the municipal councils or anything in public records stating they did come up with the price and value of those properties. I would like to ask the Minister about the problem the people are facing with the increased property taxes and also the purchase of land at a fair market value.

In the place of Aklavik, Mr. Speaker, there are a lot of insurance companies that will not ensure any properties in Aklavik because it sits in a flood plain. Also, in order to develop any properties in Aklavik, you have to spend a lot of your own money to develop the pads and whatnot and driveways for those properties yourself. That is left to the individual to bear that cost. I would like to ask the Minister exactly what he is doing to ensure that consultation on this matter has been followed and people are being informed and allowed to state how they can deal with this problem and go through it with his department? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I just finished signing off a letter to the Member on this particular issue. The price of lots, in particular to the community of Aklavik, was based on the price of developing that particular lot in 1997. I believe in 1997, the price of developing a lot in Aklavik was estimated at $13,000. However, the way the system works, is that you work backwards from that number. If your lot is say at ten years previous, you would have been assessed at the price of developing that land ten years previously, so you would not pay $13,000.

What the price of the lot is, is that any time after 1997 if you wish to purchase a lot, that would be the price you would pay, $13,000. If you had it previous to 1997, you would then also have an opportunity of having your lease applied to the cost of the lots. That would bring the price down further. Mr. Speaker, the department is also, at this time, writing and informing the communities that they are prepared to send staff into the community to put up on a workshop and explain the process to the people in the communities. This applies to the other communities in the Beaufort Delta region as well.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regard to how they came up with the value of the property, a lot of the concerns I hear from my constituents is that they have made a personal investment themselves by developing that property. The municipality did not assist on the purchase of the gravel or even development of the site itself. I would like to ask the Minister, if he is willing to also consider the cost to individuals to develop their own property and take that off the purchase price of that property that they are presently occupying?

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, at this point in time, I am not sure if the $13,000 includes the price of for instance, hauling gravel and putting it on the lot, or whether it is just the development of the lot which would include construction of the road, putting in power, that sort of cost. I am not sure if it includes the cost of actually placing gravel on the lot. I am sure that within the workshop, and the time the

workshop is being held, all these questions would be addressed by the department. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regard to the area of how the assessment took place and what was considered, I would like to ask the Minister if he could also have the information available for the public meetings on how much money has been spent in each of these municipalities to develop lots and properties. If you go through the Main Estimates, in the case of Aklavik last year, I think they got $30,000 and the year before they got $20,000. If you divide that up between 700 people, it does not meet the number of $13,000.

I would like to know exactly how they came up with the $13,000 and if they could ensure that the department has that information available on the funds that have been spent to date within each community on developing property.

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Vince Steen

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Mr. Speaker, I will have the department respond to the Member's specific questions and advise him and the community how the department arrived at that particular figure and what it includes.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, regarding the department individuals that go into the communities, I would like to suggest to the Minister they can possibly go in there sooner than later so that we could try to resolve this problem as soon as possible. It is an issue that a lot of people have concerns about. Can the Minister make a commitment to get in there sooner, hopefully within the next couple of weeks so that the community could be prepared and ready for these public meetings? Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the department will respond as soon as possible.

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Question 15-13(8): Tobacco Addiction Among Northerners

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for Minister Roland , the Minister of Health and Social Services . Just recently, we heard some comments by Dr. Peter Bares, the former deputy NWT Chief of Health. He spoke about Northerners being very addicted to tobacco, and apparently we are the most addicted people to tobacco in the world. Apparently one out of every four deaths in the NWT is tobacco-related. This is one of the major reasons for hospitalization in the NWT.

I just received a copy of the 1999 NWT Socio-economic Scan and it pointed out that 36 percent of the NWT youths between the ages of 12 and 19, here in the North, smoke compared to a national average of 21 percent, so that is 36 percent versus the national average of 21 percent. There is a lot at stake here, Mr. Speaker, in terms of tobacco usage. There is naturally the physical suffering that people go through later in life, but there is also the tremendous financial cost to this government. It is very, very substantial.

If we go back to the statistics I have just given, if one out of every four deaths in the North are a result of tobacco and it is the leading cause for people being in the hospital, could the Minister tell me if we have a program in place to deal with tobacco addiction here in the North? Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the information the Member points out is indeed accurate. In the Northwest Territories, unfortunately, we are leading in a lot of the categories that involve tobacco and in tobacco use. The department has been working on a tobacco cessation strategy in dealing with how we can reduce the smoking rates in the Northwest Territories.

We have, and I have been informed by the department, worked with Education, Culture and Employment in this area because we see that trying to address the issue of smoking starts at a young age as the stats show that we have a lot of young people who begin smoking at a very early age. Initially, through the first years, we do not see a lot of problems but, as the Member stated, it is in the later years of life that difficulties come up. A lot of people relate the problems of smoking to such things as lung cancer but, in fact, smoking goes a lot farther than that in the effects on the human body.

We are hoping to put a strategy out here in the very near future and start going out throughout the territory informing young people and elders alike with the concerns of smoking. Not only the smoke itself but the second-hand effects of smoke on young children. We need to look at how we can change our attitudes in the Northwest Territories as to how we treat our own bodies and those around us with the impacts of smoking. Hopefully, we will be able to start getting that message out in the very near future. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am very pleased to hear the Minister speak on this. Obviously, he has got a grasp on the problem and it is not just a health problem, Mr. Speaker. I hate to relate it to financial, but it is related financially because if we can reduce that area, then certainly we will be far better off here in the Territories to be able to devote our money to other essential areas. Could the Minister tell me if he is looking at

coordinating with the Minister of Education to ensure that those students who are in the nursing training program are also educated very well on the effects of tobacco smoking and that we can look at a treatment program or at least that the nurses know how to deal with tobacco addiction if such is available? Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would have to get the particulars of the Tobacco Cessation Strategy and the impacts that we are working with the Department of Education, Culture and Employment. Our focus initially of working with them are in the areas of reaching the school-aged children as they get into, for example, junior high and senior high when a lot of the young children start meeting with the older groups of youth out there. All we can do is give information out to residents.

It is the personal decision that they make on what they take into their bodies, but we hope to be able to provide information to at least give them as much as possible, that they are fully aware of the impacts of the possible conditions that can follow up. With that information or with the concern the Member has raised, I will get back to him regarding our working relationship with the Department of Education, Culture and Employment and trying to implement this and get that information into the nursing program too as well. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It may be small steps at a time, but it will snowball if we do those initial steps such as educating our nurses, for example. There is another factor here, once we have a program in place and we have people responsible for treatment programs, could the Minister tell me if he will enforce a policy of non-smoking by those people who are in charge of the program? Now it has occurred before where they themselves are part and parcel of smoking. I believe that we need to set the role model system in place.

As I say, we need to start in small ways here and there, and I think eventually it will snowball. Could the Minister tell me if he will ensure that a policy is in place that those in charge of such a program will be non-smokers?

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just a little more on that issue in response to the question. I believe Dr. Corriveau put it best when he responded to the question put before him when he was in an interview with, I believe, CBC. The fact is, that we will be supportive to those who are looking to quit smoking but we will not be in a position to discriminate against those who have chosen to take up the tobacco habit. We will be as supportive as we can to our staff and the residents of the Northwest Territories but saying to people they can or cannot work on the attitudes or if they are a smoker or a non-smoker, I do not believe that we can implement that kind of a strategy. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

I appreciate the Minister's reply and the concern perhaps legally here, but you know, we have to start somewhere and we have to get tough on this situation. There is a tremendous problem here in the Territories. I just mentioned one out of every four die from smoking. Now, that is a tremendous cost to this government, and we have got to stick out our neck here and say those in charge of the program should not be smokers. I am wondering if the Minister could kind of hint at a commitment here that he will look into this and that he will follow up and that we insist they be non-smokers.

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Samuel Gargan

The question has been asked, and the question has been answered. Oral questions. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 16-13(8): Recruitment Of A Territorial Librarian

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . He is starting to look like the Maytag repairman over there. He is looking lonely, so I have a question for him. In his role as Minister, he is also responsible for library services. As everyone knows, Hay River does not have the most government jobs, not like regional headquarters and places like that. Recently, a territorial position, we have learned, is going to be vacated by a person who has held it for some time with library services and that is the position of the territorial librarian.

Sometimes when these positions become vacant, other communities think that as long as it is vacant, this is a good time to put design on that position, try and get it moved someplace else. For the record and in public, could the Minister today commit that in the recruitment for this position of territorial librarian that, in fact, this position will remain in Hay River? Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In public and for the record, I would like to note and confirm a number of things. First, that the issue of libraries is a very important one and how they function and a subject especially dear to my heart. I would be happy to confirm unequivocally to the Member from Hay River that as far as I am aware, there are no ulterior motives, there is nobody with their eye on that position. As Minister, I can say that position will be restaffed in Yellowknife, or ... a terrible Freudian slip, Mr. Speaker, I hope I am not struck down from lightening from my riding.

Unequivocally, the position will remain where it is in Hay River. It is unfortunate that it is going to become vacant, but it will be staffed in the community in which it now exists. The

headquarters for the library is there and will remain there. Thank you.

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Question 17-13(8): Projected Budget Shortfall Update

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Finance regarding our budget this year. Earlier this year, the Minister spoke about the difficulty that we may face with this year's budget, that there could be a potential shortfall and that we might have a deficit. I do not know whether that is correct, but I believe that is correct. Certainly next year we will have problems. It is my understanding that the Minister may have asked departments to economize wherever they can and to seek possible money so that we do not get a deficit. I wonder if the Minister could explain a bit more about his program in that area? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As Members will remember, in the budget this year, we had presented a $34 million deficit. Our expenditures this year are $34 million more than what we are bringing in. I have made no secret of this fact and mentioned it in the budget speech in April. We project that deficit amount and if we are not vigilant, it will grow if we try to maintain the same level of services in future years, given what we see coming in for revenue.

In presentations to the Chambers of Commerce, to the Dene chiefs and various organizations and groups across the Territories, this government has been quite open about the fact that we face a significant problem in terms of having adequate revenues to cover our expenditures. As part of the normal good business practice, all departments have been asked to look for areas where they might economize in order to reduce the need for future cuts when we may face an even more difficult challenge. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. What is the projection that the Minister foresees for this particular year? Is he still projecting a large deficit? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Mr. Speaker, we are still projecting a $34 million deficit. As I have stated, next year if expenditures or services were to be delivered in the same way, our expenditures would exceed our revenues by an estimated $60 million.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

The departments have been asked to look at possible areas where they can trim. Have they been given objectives as to how much they need to trim from their budgets this year?

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. No. Departments were just asked to take a look at all planned expenditures and identify those could be avoided that would not impact on service or reduce the levels of service significantly.

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